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This would probably be the most interesting thing to happen to her, if it’s true š
As mom told me, I can’t say anything nice so….
Honestly, I can’t imagine that her super Christian family would ever join Scientology.
Note: They consider themselves to be very Christian, I didn’t say that I do…
Miley, Jesus doesn’t like your duck lips and your bare-nekkid belly either.
Miley, just remember that sects are bad mmkay?
Jesus loves ya baby, and even if the scientolos say that you can be a Christian and a Scientologist, Christians say you CAN’T be a Christian and a Scientologist.
Don’t sell your soul to the dark side, Miley. Scientology is a SECT looking to soak up some of your millions.
Its not a sect, its a cult
CO$ is a commercial enterprise, a money making pyramid scheme/scam.
$50 says this Scientology thing is going to end real bad….
…btw Miley….RUUUUUUUUUUN!!!
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Shakira Mebarak owes me money!
I doubt her parents are going to let her be fleeced by the SciTi’s, much less allow John Travolta to recruit their 15yr. old child. The parents do have something to say about it, given the fact that she is still a minor in their care!
how come it’s alright to refer to scientology as a cult/sect, yet it’s totally unacceptable to say that christianity is too? christianity’s just a more acceptable form of madness because it has more members. it still makes just as much sense as scientology – none. it’s odd how society can make fun of one religion, yet are shunned for making fun of another. there’s all these stories out about how harmful scientology is, but you don’t see any for christianity. um… crusades anyone? plus just the daily shit i have to take for being a bisexual atheist….
Get over the Crusades. Is that the best you can do?
The last Crusade was in what? The 1300’s? Scientology is harming people now, that’s the difference.
lol, yeah the crusades were a while ago. i guess i could (as i mentioned) just focus on the harm christianity does now, like persecuting everyone who doesn’t follow their book of fairy tales. and believe me, i’m not saying scientology doesn’t do harm, don’t worry. en masse i can’t think of an organized religion that isn’t harmful. i’m not saying that people who keep it to themselves do harm, but those who insist on spewing their beliefs on others, whether they want them or not, are no better than scientologists. that was my whole point. it’s the bias that bothers me. sure scientology is harmful, but so are many other religions, and i think it’s unfair to single out one and constantly bash it as if it’s less legit than the others. you all think scientology sounds crazy, so do i, no argument there, but to me, christianity sounds pretty messed up to. but i can’t say that of course, because everyone is christian.
Obvious, if you want to be generally anti-religion, that’s your choice. Just please don’t compare Christianity to Scientology.
I am really sick of atheists going out of their way to let people know how they hold all of us who believe in God in such contempt. I don’t hold you in contempt for not believing, or refer to your beliefs as fairy tales.
It’s telling that so many atheists claim persecution, but all they can ever come up with is shit that happened hundreds or thousands of years ago (the witch trials, Crusades, Inquisition). These days, all I get are your kind of complaints
“iām not saying that people who keep it to themselves do harm, but those who insist on spewing their beliefs on others, whether they want them or not, are no better than scientologists”
Well, let me clue you in to something – most Christians hate that shit too. Ask a Catholic what he thinks of Jehovah’s Witnesses banging on their door.
Evangelism is a lot of things, namely, it is very annoying. It is NOT however, persecution. Persecution would mean that we (Christians) were systematically discriminating against you for not believing – and we’re just not doing that to you.
“christianity sounds pretty messed up to. but i canāt say that of course, because everyone is christian.”
Bullshit. You just said it, and no one is going to show up at your house to arrest you. I, as a Christian, don’t even hold a grudge.
Now lets look at what happens to critics of Scientology – They are hounded by private detectives, sued, harassed by church members, accused of being bigots and hatemongers, ect. THAT is persecution. THAT is what separates Christians from Scientologists.
So please, in the future, try to make those kind of distinctions. You ask us not to paint all atheists with the same brush, please don’t do the same thing to us.
Well said Scott
Always amazed at the countless number of people who claim to be persecuted for being gay, bi-, atheist or whatever, and yet take every opportunity to announce publicly that they are. Masochism, anyone?
I think we’re gonna have to agree to disagree on the harmfulness of religion. I think you put things well, but I’ve seen too much to agree with you at all. I think it’s just easier to view that which affects you than that which doesn’t more accurately. But I appreciate your civility. Pleasant surprise.
Syko-
Not masochism, I’m not ashamed. I’d rather be a bisexual atheist than part of the herd.
and on second thought, i did offer my head on the chopping block by speaking up. i’m quitting smoking, which pretty much makes every opinion i have amplified, i.e. worth sharing on a gossip blog comment section. š not the best time or place!
I agree with obvious. All religions are just mythology. I mean look at what we now refer to as Greek/Roman/Egyption/etc. mythlogy, they used to be religions until Christianity wiped them out. In another 2,000 years people will probably be talking about the mythologies of Christianity/Judaism/Buddahism/etc. People can believe whatever they want, but stop bashing other people for believeing what they want.
(And those of you complaining that people keep citing the crusades and such…well the crusades got rid of alot of other religions because Chrisitna’s decided that they held no place in our world-I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’m tryling to look at it from both points. Historically and religiously)
That being said I am no going to ignore my previous statement to say the scientology is a load of crap.
Technically Stacy, those things are considered Mythologies and not Religions not because they’re no longer practiced, but because of the difference between a Prophet and a God.
Even if you’re an atheist, you can’t deny MOST (not nearly all, but most) of the central figures of modern religions did exist. There was a man named Jesus Christ, there was a man named Muhammad, there was a man named Moses, there was a man named Buddha. We can debate if they were divine or not, but nearly all historical evidence says they did exist.
Mythologies involved inventing Gods to explain natural phenomenon, while modern religions are belief systems based on moral codes handed down from God to his prophets on Earth.
By the way, Judaism has already outlived all of the Mythologies you mentioned. They’ve been going since long before anything close to civilization was forming in Greece and Rome.
Thank you Scott for bringing some intelligence to this post. Stacy and obvious have made very tragic attempts to justify their beliefs. I would not have a problem with what they said if they had done so in an educated manner, but they pretty much said, “I don’t like christians and religion because I just don’t.” Sad. Oh and do some research on Scientology before you go asking what scientology has done to deserve such a bad name. They have done a lot. Check into how many people who have spoken out about them that have committed “suicide.”
I’d define myself as agnostic, but I’ve been religious and have been a member of a handful of mighty fine churches, filled to the brim with lovely, kind, charitable and clean living folks. Like most situations, no one ever pays attention to the quiet, humble Christians when the loud and messy ones get to raving at those of us who question our belief in the divine or don’t believe in it at all. Christianity certainly doesn’t hold the right of distribution for blowhards, either. The asshole gene doesn’t discriminate based on gender, ethnicity, religion or socioeconomic status, as far as I can tell. 8)
I like to teach my students the following at the beginning of every school year:
Any statement that says “All _________ are (exclusively) ________” is almost always false. Turns out it works just as well in real life as it does on standardized tests.
And on topic….
I don’t think Mr. and Mrs. Cyrus would let Miley get sucked into Scientology – didn’t he take her to one of those purity balls? Then again, most parents I know wouldn’t let Disney whore out their kid, either.
tom cruise has been hypnotisied. i saw it as a child as paula wagner. not nice that one.tom’s hypnotism wore off, so the church did him again.
what unfavourable man that head man seems to be. funny same time as he appeared same time unable to get messages through.
hello tom samantha
left many messages.
Well said, Scott. This has been the most courteous discussion on religion I’ve ever seen. I think it’s sad that many of the religions I’ve researched over the years tout themselves as being the only “true path”. I was raised in the Church of Christ, and while it’s true that this particular church was full of kind, gentle people, there were those who took it to the extreme.
Case in point: my cousin, who I was raised with like a sister, belongs to the church and has 3 children and a husband she doesn’t love(he doesn’t love her either)but won’t divorce because the church won’t allow it. My only son and I have been banned from her life, and away from her kids, because I got a couple tattoos (which can be covered!!), and my son had long beautiful hair and several ear piercings. We were informed that if we wanted to come to Christmas dinner, we had to cover the tats, cut his hair, and remove the earrings.
Is this Christianity?
Is this loving your fellow man?
My son has now cut his hair and removed the piercings so he can join the Marines. Will he be loved now, because of his looks? He has been an A student all his life, does not do drugs, and has never been in trouble with the law. Looks do not dictate a person’s worth!
@ Scott F & Obvious: I would LOVE to have further discussions about religion with you–if you don’t mind!
PS: Miley, put on your sneaks, grab the microphone and RUN, girl! If any Scientologists catch you, beat them with your microphone!! šÆ š
Katie Holmes was born and raised Catholic and from a very Catholic family. Now she’s all Scientologised and soulless. Don’t discount the lure of Scientology over your native religion….
As an Atheist (who hails from a Christian Family) I feel I must speak up.I, nor any other Atheist(whom I’ve ever talked to), believe that Christianity to be any more of a cult then any other organized religion. The word cult has come up in many discussions I’ve had, mostly because people don’t know what a cult is
The Random House Unabridged Dictionary’s eight definitions of “cult” are:
1. A particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies;
2. An instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers;
3. The object of such devotion;
4. A group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc;
5. Group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols;
6. A religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader;
7. The members of such a religion or sect;
8. Any system for treating human sickness that originated by a person usually claiming to have sole insight into the nature of disease, and that employs methods regarded as unorthodox or unscientific.
I think, that when most people think of a cult they think of definition number 6
But, when you read those definitions,i know i can’t think of ANY religious organization that doesn’t fit one or two of them.
I do not deny that JC or Buddha or any other Religious Icon existed. I just happen to think that they were for the most part, scam artists.
Also, I have issues with the whole “virgin birth” thing. Why? simple. Jesus was Jewish, born, one presumes to Jewish parents.Mary would not have been a virgin after her wedding night- Jewish Law forbids it.
Hollz – This is exactly what I was talking about. Why the hell do all atheists feel the need to justify their beliefs by belittling ours?
Scam artists? Most of our modern religions surround the lives of humble men, not rich. Nearly all of these religions preach that worldly treasures aren’t to be coveted, and that you should always embrace civic charity.
Scam artists have a goal, usually financial wealth. Buddha was rich, but decided to give that up in order to achieve spiritual enlightenment. Jesus’ Apostles traveled from town to town spreading the word of God, not accepting donations.
Calling specific areas of faith into question, such as the virgin birth, ect. is a classic atheist tactic. We can use logic to prove just about anything if we take it far enough.
For instance, I can use scientific principles right now to prove the existence of God in 3 easy steps.
1. Science acknowledges the existence of matter.
2. Science acknowledges matter cannot be created nor destroyed, but can only change form.
3. Then where did matter come from? Did it come from another dimension? If so, who created it there? Are we to believe the universe has always existed? How can that be possible considering we know the big bang happened a finite amount of time ago?
See what I’m getting at? Your belief in science is more concrete in many ways, but at the end of the day, you’re no closer to proving the lack of a God than I am to proving his existence. Yet, every time an Atheist opens their mouth about religion, they are convinced they are on the logical side of the argument.
Things like the big bang and evolution don’t preclude the existence of God. Even though I’m Catholic, I still believe in both of them. Religion doesn’t need to be the answer to how we got here, just the reason for WHY we’re here.
In all honesty, atheists are kind of on the logical side of the argument. Which seems more likely, that there is a being in the sky or what have you, that is all knowing all powerful, and most of all Good, and thinks it’s totally ok to let Chinese children die in earthquakes, children in Darfur suffer unspeakable torments, and just your plain old run of the mill murder/rape etc, OR that there isn’t an omniscient force “controlling” the chaos?
And Scott, seriously, you think I’m the one coming across too judgmentally? I’m making a generalization about the Christian RELIGION, not it’s FOLLOWERS, whilst you’re spending all your time talking down about me. Everything you say, hours after I’ve left to go about my business, is how I’m an asshole, or just atheists in general. And atheism isn’t a belief, it’s the lack of one. I don’t go to a church with no pews or statues to worship nothingness, I just exist. The one thing I’ll say about Christians is how quick you are to defend something that has no proof. But that’s how the pews are full; don’t question blind faith, and if you do, you’re sinning. It’s a great way to keep people in.
And to whomever, I can’t remember, might have indicated I didn’t think Scientology was harmful, AGAIN I remind you, I think it’s totally messed up, I’m just saying I don’t think it’s any more messed up than older religions. They just have new ways to keep people giving in. Scott F, seriously, dismount the high horse. You’ve made this huge deal about how you’re not judgmental, how in fact atheists are judgmental, and then in the very same post you go on and on about how every atheist you’ve ever met has pissed you off royally in some way, making sweeping generalizations WHEN THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT YOU’RE DOING!
::headdesk::
Seriously, I love that you’re claiming I’m being aggressive and judgmental. When did I claim my beliefs are superior to yours? When did I ‘judge’ you? Did I say you’re going to go to hell for your disbelief? No. And I REALLY don’t see where you think I called you an asshole.
I fail to see how I’m on a high horse, when you’re making statements like “In all honesty, atheists are kind of on the logical side of the argument”. This is exactly the kind of bullshit I’m talking about. There is this belief among atheists in general that they are by default smarter than the rest of us.
“Iād rather be a bisexual atheist than part of the herd.”
“The one thing Iāll say about Christians is how quick you are to defend something that has no proof. But thatās how the pews are full; donāt question blind faith, and if you do, youāre sinning. Itās a great way to keep people in.”
That’s not supposed to be insulting to us? Referring to us in that way insinuates we’re all morons being led around by the nuts without any knowledge or critical thinking. But it’s ME that’s being judgmental right?
In the same thread, I’ve had my beliefs referred to as fairy tales, had my religion referred to as a cult akin to Scientology, and had my intelligence questioned.
How exactly are your arguments more informed or enlightened than mine? Less than 1/4th of Christians believe the Bible is supposed to be taken as literal and unflinching fact. Disproving stories we widely consider to be morality tales doesn’t prove the lack of a God. Nor does the presence of evil in the world.
Humans are gifted with free will, because we believe God wanted free thinking individuals, not slaves. If someone chooses to do evil, that doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist because he didn’t intervene.
Do we safeguard our children from every bump and bruise in their entire life? Or do we let the kid fall down and learn to stand up again? Human beings tend to be at their very best and very worst when trying to overcome tragedy and adversity – without evil, death, destruction, we would have nothing to overcome, and nothing to learn.
All I ask is the same respect you ask – the ability to live my life and believe what I believe. I don’t go out of my way trying to deconstruct and disprove your beliefs, I’ve just been trying to defend mine.
Whoa, big guy.. look, I really think you’re not getting what I’m saying… and you’re repeating everything. You’re taking this really seriously. How long do you wait each time you reply to me.. like 30 seconds? š It’s like 2am and I’ve got to wake up early- I have a life. So turn off your computer, don’t worry, I’m done, take a muscle relaxer and ease up! This was just something to quell the boredom of the day and I don’t want to devote so much energy repeating responses to the same arguments. You keep freaking out and this is boring me. Responding to your strawman arguments would take me a while, and that’s like 95% of your posts! Talk to me someday when you’ve got something new to say – or a single valid refute to anything I say (and things like, “See? Typical atheist behaviour!” don’t count.) And honestly, I don’t care how you live your life or what you believe, this was never about you. All I ever meant were harmful religious people. Unless you kill disbelievers or stone women for talking back or something absurd like that, I could give a shit.
Peace!
Miley, if John Travolta or Benny Hinn come to your door, asking for your support, RUN…They are some scarey looking people. One will want to beam you up and the other will want to cure you of it. RUN…
Scott, you CLEARLY didn’t read the definations of a cult did you? because according to that ALL organized religons are cults, not just your belif system.
Also, when did i say ANYTHING about Science? Just because I don’t belive in a higher being, doesn’t mean i won’t if the existance of one is proven.
when i bring up virgin birth, im not looking for a fight, im looking for an answer, as of yet, everyone i’ve asked(including yourself) decided, “oh what, your questioning my belifs and tring to undermine my religon!” instead of just answering the question- thats all im looking for- an answer
sorry about the poor grammer folks- i wasn’t supposed to be on CB at the time š
@Hollz-
Thank you, nicely put. He’s not going to give a valid response more than likely because is there really any way a virgin birth could occur without believing in something that has no proof? Furthermore, I seriously doubt any atheist would choose to be an atheist if proof existed. I wouldn’t, you wouldn’t, good point again.
It is ashame that those who dislike religion always have to down grade those of us who do believe in God, Christianity. If someone wants to be an atheist or agnostic, I have no problem with them. If someone wants to follow the Church of Satan, fine. I, however, resent being called a sheep, following the rest of the herd for believing in what I believe. Again, a free society allows us to worship (or not) how we like. No one should be ridiculed or chastised for their religious beliefs. Anyway, this post was about a 15 year old being recuited by the Church of Scientology, or allegedly recruited, it was not a debate on the evils of Christians or non-believers. Sometimes people take all of the fun out of gossip blogs.
Everyone keeps talking about proof. Christianity HAS proof. Other religions don’t. It’s that simple.
Second, a religion requires faith. Faith, many times, means believing, NOT ALWAYS SEEING.
I just can’t see how anyone could think Christianity wrong…
~~~~~~~~i don’t understand why anyone would want to leave the best gift to rot…FOREVER IN HEAVEN, where it is perfect! People live life for THEM but that’s not how it’s supposed to be. So you have 2 options:
option A: choosing the True God and living a life striving for perfection so we can spend all of eternity in a perfect little place called HEAVEN
or
option B: choosing any other god (or no god) besides the Truth and living a fun, carefree life only to spend the rest of eternity in Hell
…it’s your desiscion.
^^ that is why I can’t stand evangelicals. Of any religion
Ditto, Bodhi. Heaven sounds like hell with sanctimonious pricks like that up there.
As for Scientology, the very danger about it is that it seems so innocent. It’s just a self improvement course.. just a book.. just a form of therapy that will make you feel better… And everybody is so nice and seems so happy!
You don’t find out about the bad stuff until your life is under Scientology control. You don’t hear about the truly crazy stuff until you’re in well deep and have spent several hundred thousand dollar.
As far as I’m concerned people can believe that all their problems are being caused because the traumatised souls of dead space aliens are sticking to their bodies. No problem with that, though I think it’s deluded. But sure, believe that.
What I have a problem with is that Scientology outright denies that those are in fact its beliefs, until you have finally paid alllll the money and you reach that level. It’s like Christianity denying that it believes in the resurrection of Jesus. That’s dishonesty in its purest form. Incidentally, you can read all those super expensive OT levels, the core beliefs of Scientology, here: http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology_collected_Operating_Thetan_documents
What I have a problem with is the hypnosis techniques, the disconnection policy, members not allowed to read opposing views, members not being allowed to ask critical questions, introspection rundown, heavy psychological and social pressure to conform, coerced donations, the Rehabilitation Project Force, mind control and mind altering techniques, coerced abortions in the Sea Org, harassment of critics and the upper level wilfully and knowingly exposing thousands of members to blue asbestos for *21 years*.
There’s more, but google some of those things and you will understand why Scientology is not a religion.
Lmao! I bet Billy Ray Cyrus is going to kick John Travolta’s ass considering the Cyrus’s are a complete Christian family. I know i would at least if i was him.
Anon, is it necessary to call those with a different viewpoint from yours “sanctimonious pricks”? It kind of shows that you have a very limited mind if you have to resort to filthy name calling. Why does it anger you so much if someone defends their Christianity? You are entitled to your opinion as the rest of us are as well. I just don’t feel the necessity of name calling to get your point across. It just makes you sound bitter and hateful. Be an agnostic, atheist, christian, devil worshipper, what ever you want, but don’t insult others in a nasty way because they may not be a sheep following your herd! š
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Alright, I’m agnostic theist, I don’t follow any particular religion, instead I merely have my own beliefs and faith that I keep to myself. I suggest everyone does the same. You can preach your ideals until the cows come home and you still wonāt be able to change each othersā minds. Beliefs tend to be taught and obtained via family relationships and personal experience. So each individual has the right to their own views. It doesn’t matter whoās right and whoās wrong, what matters is that individual believes in something. Whether its faith or religion, or not to have either and approach it scientifically.
Scientology on the other hand is not based on actual science at all, but science-fiction. Recruits members through brainwashing techniques. Not only do they cause financial harm to its members but physical harm as well. It fits into the classic mold of a cult. The way non-scientologists can help bring it down is to spread awareness and fight to have its tax immunity revoked. Stop bickering amongst yourselves and take action against the real problem, scientology.
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xenutv.com
Here are some enlightening youtube videos on scientology:
This one says it all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzDqXVLavbU
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgqKA3w6T2U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPol_m8wm8Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0
Scientology scares me. I’m all for religious freedom, and it’s not so much the beliefs that bother me, as it is the tactics. Scientologists just sound like really frightening people, or at least the higher ups. Brain washing, training, programming, makes my skin crawl. Mr. and Mrs. Cyrus probably should be a little wary. I don’t know if Travolta is as “passionate” as ones like Tom Cruise, but you never know. Miley Cyrus is rich and influential, and young, if Scientology got her in their clutches, it would probably open the door for a lot more youth followers.
hollz and obvious
Hollz said “Also, I have issues with the whole āvirgin birthā thing. Why? simple. Jesus was Jewish, born, one presumes to Jewish parents.Mary would not have been a virgin after her wedding night- Jewish Law forbids it.”
Mary and Joseph were NOT married yet when Mary became pregnant that’s why he knew it couldn’t be “his” and was angry. That’s why the angel came to exlplain how it happened.
hey amanda are you seriously saying that other religions dont have proof. I do not have anything against christianty but when you say your religion has proof and mine doesnt im sorry that pisses me off show me proof of your religion and i will show you proof of mine.
And i fyou want to know what my religion is look up sikhism we actually have written records off our profits there isnt really that much conncrete evidence off jesus
she will convert, and so will her family. You have to comform to hollywood, you cant like jesus, or have your own mind, you cannot be a free thinker in hollywood,you have to fallow their specific guidlines. Dont say the “N” word and you have to love every one, and bash whitemales so you canfit in hollywood, her dady will doanythingfor mney even denounce his belief in the lord jesus.
Her family are very protective and very religious so there is no way that this would ever happen.
Hope that the kid is smart enough to run from some “friendships”. Scientology is not a religion, became that way after calling themselves that for the IRS purpose. I guess after awhile they just started to believe it themselves. The group starts you in the belief that you can be both christian or jew or any other religion for that matter. The end is that they have you, it’s subtle and you don’t even know it’s happening. All anybody has to do to find out more is to Google…
OT VIII part 2
scientology and celebrities
the unfunny truth about scientology
scientology and satanism
It’s all just too wierd and the elfmans, cruises, and travoltas are the stupid poster children of the leader who died of a stroke hidden away high on visteral(to keep from going completly paranoid).
I hope that the young people know that there are other things out there and that a cult of deception and lies is not the answer. The emperor of scientology did not have beautiful clothes, he was naked, no matter what they said of him. He was a wife beater, satanist, drug taking boozer, liar who decided that being a con and taking from others was ok.
What is it with scientology and famous people. It is a recent religion which lets be honest cannot be classed as a true religion.
I do not understand why these famous people are drawn to this scientology and why on earth are they giving them money as is required.
I’m sure she won’t she’s known to be a Christian even when she got a bit crazy during her teens who doesnt but the important thing i that she knows God, she even use to say that whenever she had to tour she used to read the Bible and that is a very good thing. Im starting to get tired of Scientologist it is just a scam and brain wash thing but also as a Christian the Bible talks about false prophets I guess the end is near and everyone is capable of choosing their own destiny.