Well, The Tourist “bombed” this weekend, and now everyone is scrambling to assign blame. Despite having two of the biggest stars in the planet, The Tourist only made $17 million domestically this weekend, coming in second after The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader. Narnia’s number one box office was weak too – only making $24.5, when many experts were hoping for at least $30 to $40 million for the opening weekend.
So what was the problem? Was it the weather? There were huge blizzards throughout the country over the weekend, and most people stayed home. Was it the hideous reviews? Most critics mocked The Tourist as stupid and boring, and Depp and Jolie were accused of having zero chemistry. Was it The Chelsea Handler Factor? Too much bad publicity surrounding Angelina? Or was Depp’s understated – read uncharacteristically boring – performance to blame? Eh. As I said in my review, I think the biggest problems with the film were an uneven tone (Is it a light Hitchcock-esque film? Is it action/drama?) and unmet expectations. The way the film was being promoted, I think people thought it was going to be super-sexy, and Depp and Jolie would be nailing each other in various Venice beckdrops. That’s not what the film was though – instead of something super-sexy, the love story was just kind of sweet and silly.
Or maybe it was just released at the wrong time – this is the time when most filmgoers want to watch their Oscar-bait films. Perhaps The Tourist would have benefited from it’s original release date, which I believe was supposed to be in February or March. I don’t really know. But I’m admit, this isn’t good for Jolie supporters. Our girl was in a box office “disappointment”. Will the film make money? Sure – when it gets a wide release in Europe and Asia, it will make money. Depp and Jolie are two of the few celebrities with large followings overseas. But it’s still bad news for Team Jolie (and Team Depp).
By the way, instead of going on some European or Asian publicity tour, Angelina is already in the south of France, with her family at their home. This morning she was grocery shopping. Interesting…
disappointed,but the movie will make its money back worldwide 🙁 theres still some premiers left in Europe and asia
Second place at the box office is a bomb? I wouldn’t call it that. (I also saw the film Saturday on a cold rainy night, and the theater was packed.)
Slightly unrelated: I will never understand speculation like yours over failed films. It’s not just you, it’s everybody who writes about movies. If the film didn’t deliver on its sexy trailer, how is that a reason it failed (though I don’t think it did)? You’d have to BUY a ticket to know that. You’d still have contributed to its box office draw. Unless it’s about reading the reviews… but then that’s another argument entirely.
I don’t think it bombed. It opened at #2 with 17mil and then the next movie #3 opened at 14mil. The whole Box Office was down this week and I will say the weather was a factor. I am glad it opened at #2. Its exactly what I had hoped. It only indicates that people saw it and maybe if weather conditions weren’t so bad alot more people would have seen it.
Opening #2, which is what I expected and wanted since I knew the Narnia movie would be number one, its a family movie, its a sequel, and it has an established audience, makes me so happy, it could have not even done this could have been way worse, however if Narnia hadn’t opened this weekend it would have been #1. Meanwhile The Tourist didn’t have any of that. So I am really happy. Its certainly not a bomb.
It didn’t do well because it seemed stupid and boring and lazy and no one likes fat Johnny Depp.
“Second place at the box office is a bomb?”
Yes, for two of the biggest stars in the world, 2nd place behind the freaking third Chronicles of Narnia movie is a BOMB.
the reviews in Europe are as bad as in US
Personally, I think AJ has played out her string in the “someone is after me with a gun but there’s no way I’ll get killed” superficial drama genre. I would like to see her take a big risk like Theron has, and by that I don’t mean “getting raped in Bosnia”. She needs a very well written script that is identifiable to women.
Look, I never was in that Anniston/Jolie fight, but I do believe it hurt Jolie’s career.People have long memories.
A film needs to make 3 times it’s production costs to not be a failure. Why, because you need to add another 50 Mil for marketing.
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FLOPGELINA 🙂
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“As I said in my review, I think the biggest problems with the film were an uneven tone (Is it a light Hitchcock-esque film? Is it action/drama?)”
this is something I had also mentioned in a previous post. I saw two different trailers for this movie, within a few minutes of each other, and the two diff trailers made it look almost like two different movies. it was like the studio wasn’t sure how to market it – an suspense/drama (with a little bit of action) or action/comedy.
if you don’t know who your target audience (outside fans of the two leads) is going to be, that’s a problem. I read a few reviews for this movie and didn’t read one positive one. Every one, without exception, noted the lack of chemistry btwn the two leads. One even went as far as saying “what happened to Jolie?”
ah yes, here it is…
“But Jolie? Man, what happened to her? I don’t just mean to her arms, which here are as scarily spindly as any you’d see in a Tim Burton animated movie, but to her talent. I seem to recall her having a genuine quality on-screen, once. Here she just walks around with her nose in the air and vocally channels Julie Andrews in “Darling Lili.” Drop the accents and carb up, lady; you’re starting to creep me out.” this same reviewer noted that the script seemed “dumbed down”…and that’s one thing I hate about studios, often they feel they need to dumb down a really good script for the stupid masses. which certainly could be the case here.
Look, I never was in that Anniston/Jolie fight, but I do believe it hurt Jolie’s career.People have long memories.
how do you explain all the other movies that did well
Think maybe Angelina is losing her appeal as a femme fatale? Maybe the constant stream of pictures of her and kids are hurting her image as a hottie. Our society has always had a problem with the sexy ho versus the virginal mother–you’re either one or the other. And maybe the public is starting to think of her as the mom type.
That said, this was probably not a great movie weekend because many people are busy with holiday shopping, parties, etc.
Meh, second place is hardly a bomb. Sounds like a bad weekend overall, since the top film only took in 7 mil more. I wouldn’t jump to a bunch of conclusions and speculation over it.
even the boring bounty hunter made 20 mil the first weekend with half the budget of the tourist
Still Team Jolie and Depp! Angelina is the number 1 female box office star in the world. So, I think she can stand to have a bomb or two. I agree that the way this film was marketed was confusing. And Johnny Depp, who’s usually fantastic, was a little off his game in the movie. But, I don’t think this will really hurt either one of them in the long run.
I saw the movie last night in a packed theater and people (not me) actually clapped at the end. I think this movie is going to find an audience eventually it may be people’s favorite rental but it isn’t an unwatchably bad movie like the critics would have you believe it actually is 78% in audience rating on Rotten Tomatoes which mean most people who saw it liked it . And by the way I thought Johnny Depp was great in this movie. Very adorable. They did have chemistry and the movie was actually romantic, funny and a stretch for both of them. I’ll blame the marketing.
“Look, I never was in that Anniston [sic]/Jolie fight, but I do believe it hurt Jolie’s career.People have long memories.”
Her career skyrocketed after Mr. and Mrs. Smith (read: after her involvement with Brad). I would know, because I’ve been fanatically following it since meeting her in 1998. When I told people she was my favorite actress six years ago, there was no guarantee that they’d know who she was until I mentioned Tomb Raider or Billy Bob. Now? Her career is one of the biggest in Hollywood.
With cable rights and DVD sales, almost all films eventually make money. 17 million does seem low for an opening weekend, but it will turn a profit eventually. Box office take is only about 20% of a films profitability anyway.
That’s why I always find it funny when any movie is considered a “bomb” based solely on box office.
Didn’t this movie cost like a 100 million to make? Yikes that is bad.
the movie will be huge in other countries:Depp and Jolie are very popular
Yea I don’t think even if this could be considered a “bomb” that it would even matter. Both of there careers are doing extremely well, and it’s not like one film performing poorly after raking in the cash for years is so terrible. I mean, Angelina could be like Jen Aniston and have her past several shitty looking romantic comedies underperform at the box office…..oops.
Can’t say I’m surprised. Johnny Depp is in it and Paul Bettany and I still am not that interested due to the script and previews I’ve seen. That’s saying a lot IMO.
i dont care about the jolie/aniston mess either but i have no desire to see this movie. i usually go to the movies once a month and this month, black swan wins.
i think for me, the reason i dont want to see jolie in a movie is because of all of the relationship baggage. i cant look at her and lose myself in a movie. all i think about is all the drama. sorry. same thing with brad and aniston. sick of them all. theyre exhausting.
The commercials for this movie made it look completely unappealing; Johnny Depp was puffy and greasy and Angelina looked like a “Real housewife” reject!
Somewhere on a sunny beach, Jennifer Anniston is smiling.
I’m not interested in seeing this movie. Mainly because from the previews I’ve seen, Jolie seems to be playing her default role (boring) and Depp seemed too aloof or uncomfortable with himself.
I agree with Rita in that it would be refreshing to see Jolie play a role different from what she normally does. I think she has what it takes to really get inside your head, if one could just past the feeling that she’s trying to get inside your pants. I understand that she’s been bankable because of her sex appeal for years, but it’s beginning to feel formulaic.
This movie wouldn’t even be on my list to see…I won’t even watch it when it comes out on DVD…It looks extremely boring, and I can’t stand Jolie with an accent.
Roger Ebert, my hero, obviously hated this movie: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20101208/REVIEWS/101209973
It’s really a shame when you have all of the elements of a great farce, and a great crew, but they’re to lazy to take it all the way.
PEOPLE are Sick of Her.
I just can’t take AJ with an accent.
Wow – I’d PAY for a blizzard! I’m running my A/C because it’s like 85 degrees where I live! And yes, I live in the U.S.
Just putting this out their but I work in the mall and I can tell you this weekend store were not making their number and it seems like The Tourist nor The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader since Narnia $24.5, was accepted to make $30 to $40 million in its first weekend were in the same boat.
I agree with Rita and Susan that perhaps people are just tired of seeing her do the “sexy lady/gun/drama/action/fighting” thing. It’d be interesting to see her try comedy. I don’t think she’s ever tried to be funny.
This movie wasn’t marketed well either, which I think was it’s biggest failing. I don’t think it bombed-it didn’t do well in the slightest but bombing…not really. To be fair, it’ll probably recoup it’s crappy opening here with the international openings. International audiences go nutballs for Jolie movies-doesn’t matter what its about or the quality.
people are just tired of seeing her do the “sexy lady/gun/drama/action/fighting” thing
I have to say this movie is not the usual for AJ she doesn’t pick up a gun, gets rescued instead of kicking ass, and is a traditional girl in this movie. She doesn’t punch anyone and the most actiony thing she does is drive a boat.
She is most definitely the sexy lady to the extreme in this though.
uh, I am from other countries. YOu have to stop saying she is a huge star to “us”. To “us” she is a person who collects “our” babies.
I liked the Tourist, yes I braved the 8 degree weather with 30 per mild wind gust. Brrr
The theater was pretty full considering the blizzard, but that was Friday. Saturday roads were closed with only emergency vehichles allowed to travel. Sunday it was 5 below and we pretty much stayed in. I didn’t expect non fans to see it, regardless they’ll be first to bash either way.
Well none of the problems with the film had anything to do with Angie. I think the main fact of the matter is the WHOLE box office was down. None of the films this weekend made as much as wanted. NONE of them. It really didn’t have anything to do with marketing or anything. If people were truly sick of Angie it WOULDN’T have been #2 at the box office. It had nothing to do with her. Hell she and Johnny are the reason it performed as well as it did at the box office. There are weekends at the box office, especially around the Christmas Holidays, where the whole box office doesn’t perform well.
People grade Angie on a harsh curve and its fine. When your successful, powerful, a woman, and then on top of all that drop dead gorgeous people tend to grade you harshly, whatever. If coming in at #2 at the box office is a failure for Angie then my goodness what does that say about all the other big name actresses who would love a #2 debut instead of oh say a 5 mil pay back or a #10 debut.
Oh and who are some of you kidding with this “I am not gonna go see it because *insert lame excuse here*.” Like who you trying to play? You and I both know you wouldn’t have seen it or any film that Angie is in because you don’t like her.
Considering the production costs it IS a bomb.
I already said that I’m a fan of both JD and FHvD, and I’m quite disappointed by the fact that it seems that none of them put enough talent and/or energy and motivation in this movie.
That said, my opionion on JD won’t change. He still is a good actor, better when portraying weird characters than common people, but good. I’m not sure what to say about FHvD. Is he a hit-and-miss or simply he just lost an occasion to be an important director in HW too?
Of course I’m not blaming AJ for this failure, not because I don’t think she is mediocre (she is) but because she’s not so relevant to be the reason for a movie to sink, it takes a lot more factors than her lack of acting skills to destroy a movie that allegedly had great conditions to succeed.
Finally, in Europe the reviews are bad. I guess it will be a success here in Italy because of the (movie) locations and because there are no other catchy movies hitting the cinemas now (and I found out that Black Swan will be projected here on March, damn).
Well it opened the same weekend as Narnia, that would be a bad idea for any movie to open on the same weekend. But I would not call it a bomb, 2nd place is not too bad, and considering the weather, but I think narnia is what did it for the tourist, Hopefully next weekend it may do better
Who said it’s 85 where they live? I’m so frozen here, can’t seem to warm up. I love a white Christmas but this is just crazy.
The problem with it was that no one wants to see that skeleton trying to act, even with Deep! And somewhere, in the beach, Aniston is having a happy day!
@ Love Angelina: “I don’t think it bombed. It opened at #2 with 17mil.”
That 17 mil is only 1$ million more than the widely-derided Killers made in it’s opening weekend, on a bigger budget. It’s also well short of the OWs of either The Bounty Hunter or Knight & Day, and those didn’t have the “Two hottest stars in the World™”.
Never mind, Angelina will get another 8-10 lines in the Kung-Fu Panda sequel and that should up her BO average…
I’m not going to see it. The trailers make it seem dull and every review I’ve read (besides here on Celebitchy) have been Terrible.
uh, I am from other countries. YOu have to stop saying she is a huge star to “us”. To “us” she is a person who collects “our” babies.
really which country are you from Ethiopia, Cambodian, or maybe Vietnam
I love the excuses the loons are making for this CRAPFEST of a flop. YES 2ND place IS a flop when you have a movie with these two names on it. The blame lies TOTALLY on junkalina who high jacked this film with Brad and kids turning it into a Brad, Angie and the kids show and totally disrespecting Johnny on the red carpet with their antics. You would have though Brad was in this picture as he seemed to get more press than JD.
This movie is right up there with that other CRAPFEST the bounty. Now Jennifer and Angie have more in common than Brad, they both can’t act for sh!t and their movies TANK..Bawahaaaaaa
Her accent is right up there with Keanu Reeves in Dracula. Bawahaaaaaaa.
Keep those excuses coming loons!
@ tapioca Well as I have already pointed out, the box office was down this week. The whole thing, a box office performs as a whole, and it was down this week. However again The Tourist opened well because its #2, neither of the films you mentioned opened at #2 or #1. So IMO The Tourist performed fine considering how slow the box office was this weekend. Heck Harry Potter opened last week and it slipped behind a Disney movie. There is a OVERALL drop in ticket sales this week.
I dont live in the US, and I saw the trailer for it recently. It was comical. I won’t be spending my money to see it.
Bad marketing, but face it, Angelina is a 1 trick pony like her nemesis Aniston. If she doesnt act bad ass with a gun, no one wants to see her. Unfortunately that role is also not going to be too believable since my right thigh weighs more than her.
And she is wayyyy overexposed. While watching the trailer, I can just picture Maddox sitting in a chair behind the scenes playing his Nintendo waiting for her to wrap up.
I don’t think it’s a total bomb as I stated earlier, but it’s funny how SOME of the rabid AJ fans don’t consider this a bomb, but if Aniston has a film with the same 17 million opening with a third of the production cost, they do consider it a megabomb.
@CT it’s a flop, I am a huge loon and I can admit that. BTW the Jen hens call all of her movies hits. The Switch opened at 8 mill but they still believe the movie is a hit. What I say is its not as bad as a movie as the reviewers would have you believe and audiences did enjoy it.
Jury’s still out. She’s got a huge fan base overseas so if the movie ultimately makes double its production cost, it’s a hit. If not, not.
And Whamo and Olivia, before you start talking about bombs, check the box office for “Management”, “Switch” and “Shit Happens”. “Switch” opened at 8 mil and in 8th place, but you Jenhens still call it a hit. 🙄 But I guess after the “Management” debacle, you call any JA movie that grosses over $1 million a hit. 😆
OMGosh! I don’t think I have ever heard such sad pathetic excuses……comical!
Apart from what is now confirmed by the majority of the reviews ie. an underworked plot and stagnant tired storyline – (how come by the way this is apparent on one viewing to 99% of reviewers but wasn’t to the director? Blinded by the A-list combo?) – I just find it really hard to see Jolie as a actress anymore because her off-screen persona is so overwhelming. And the roles she takes on don’t help one bit. The last time she stretched herself as an actress was Changeling, and that had so much to do with good direction. And bottom line, she is not a versatile actress, despite doing any number of different genres of film and her so-called leading actress status.
I get the impresson she’s just not bothered anymore with acting and just churns them out to keep her hand in and also to subsidise her lifestyle/charity work. Which is fine but her best work – Hackers, Girl Interrupted, Gia – is behind her.
LOVE ANGELINA:
December 13th, 2010 at 11:49 am
Oh and who are some of you kidding with this “I am not gonna go see it because *insert lame excuse here*.” Like who you trying to play? You and I both know you wouldn’t have seen it or any film that Angie is in because you don’t like her.
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Look, I’m a fan of JD and I loved The Lives of Others. Do you really think that the sole fact that AJ is in this movie would prevent me from seeing it?
And secondly, JD has a huge and solid fan base, and I suppose that JD’s fans are as “motivated” as AJ’s, without the unsane fanatism, tho.
That said your statement is – no offence – quite asinine.
$17 mil on a $100 mil budget, with two of the biggest stars in the world and a gorgeous location…it should have done much better.
I think the bad reviews hurt it quite a bit, and I saw negative reviews of both performances, so yeah, I think that’s part of it too.
Agree that the marketing wasn’t great. I also didn’t see much marketing for the Narnia one either.
Box office was down 3% compared to the same weekend last year – a dip, but not huge. And people certainly went out to see Black Swan – $3.3 in only 90 theaters. This is the time of year for films like that, the Tourist should have been a summer release- it probably would have doubled that number.
It probably will make it’s money back overseas, but a lot of the “success” of a film is still wrapped up in how it performs in the US.
@mln, you must be one of the more reasonable fans. I don’t find all to be that way and made a point of saying “some” I’m neutral on both of them but the hypocrisy between the die hards on both sides, I find amazing.
I was unable to see it this weekend but I will.
I love him.
@Cheyenne,
Typical loon, you somehow seem to think anyone that hates AJ must be a JA fan. If you read my post you’d see I think they BOTH can’t act. The fact that you are even trying to compare JA to AJ shows how pathetic and grasping at staws you are. I would have thought from a true loon these two aren’t even on the same planet. I know Jen can’t act and I know just like AJ she’s a one trick pony. One does crappy rom-coms the other does crappy spy films, same sh!t different pile.
Now go cry in your AJ PJs and try to get out of bed this week.
24mill…. Bawahaasaa…
@ solveig
“Look, I’m a fan of JD and I loved The Lives of Others. Do you really think that the sole fact that AJ is in this movie would prevent me from seeing it?”
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Uh not the sole reason no. I 100% believe because Angie is in this film thats the one of the reasons you didn’t wanna see it. However that part of my comment wasn’t meant for you, it was mainly for those who I KNOW don’t like Angie but decided to act cute and pretend like they would even consider seeing it when we both know they wouldn’t. Its laughable. I also know you don’t like her either, but you seem reasonable enough.
Also JD’s fans don’t to have to be on the same level as me or of the Brad and Angelina fanbase. No body comes at him in the same matter that people come at Angie. Its to two DIFFERENT things. You might as well not even compare us.
The ranking isn’t a good indicator of success. Both the #1 and #2 movies this week are in the top ten US box office bomb list. (http://www.pajiba.com/box_office_round-ups/the-biggest-boxoffice-busts-of-2010.php). They both won’t make back their budget in the US. Tourist will fall an estimated $45 million short, Narnia $85 million short (showing once again it rank isn’t a good measure of success. They try to make their budget back here and then overseas receipts and DVD’s make it profitable. Rather than break even like both movies will probably do. Especially Narnia the other movies did way better overseas then they did here which is why the shelled out money for this movie even though the 2nd one was a US box office bomb.
Another measure of success from the studio’s perspective is the following week. The rule tends to be the movie did well retention-wise is it makes more than half of the first weeks gross.
But, whatever a few of you will just believe what you want either way.
The only movies that do well are action kid movies and movies with special effects. Has no one bee n paying attention to box offices in the last 5 yrs or so. It’s that way cause only kids go to the movies in large numbers. They aren’t worried about these old folks or their star power. I say old cause if you’re past 21 you’re old to them. People older don’t run out and see movies anymore.
If there was crazy action it would’ve sold. People say they didn’t have chemistry cause they weren’t getting it on in the movie. They are fine looking they are suppose to attack each other. Anyway it will make it’s money overseas.
Hey and you people do know it’s the last couple of weeks for finals for students. That’s why I didn’t see it. Shouldve opened it later.
It will be a movie seen throughout the yrs and not some disposable trash. Two huge stars. I’ll go see it this Friday.
Number #2 when the kid movie did 7mill more a
only? Don’t think so. It will do very well abroad.
Sorry Salt showed she’s a box office draw, cause she was kicking booty all by herself. Kids love the action flicks.
@Whamo didn’t you know!? If you have any criticism of Jolie, you MUST be a Jen Hen. It is the only explanation. Because who could have anything to criticise about Jolie normally!?
::rolls eyes::
To be fair, most of Aniston’s movies that have “flopped” have gained back twice/three times their production budget and more. She doesn’t do big, blockbuster, sh-tfests that bleed studios dry. (That honour goes to Matt Damon with Green Zone $100 million budget, and $94 million worldwide gross.)
The last real “flop” Jolie has was Beowulf, even though she only had a little part in it, so I don’t really consider it a “flop” for her. It cost $150 million to make and made $196 million at the worldwide box office.
I think she does best when she’s in action roles…which is what she does best. It’s her draw. When she’s wielding a gun, jumping off buildings, butt-heading cronies and playing some sort of spy/assassin/cop hybrid, she’s gold.
But whatev, Kung-Fu Panda 2 is coming out next year and it’s make a sh-tload of money and everyone will forget about The Tourist. Angelina will say her 8-10 lines and then her “box office gross” will be close to “$2 billion dollars.” And Lucy Lui’s will be $1.2 billion also! Bahahaha
I meant #2 and it’s a bomb when the kid movie only did 24 millions …don’t think so.
@whitenoise:
My thoughts exactly. Just too hard for me to get past the personal stuff of hers.
lucy2: $17 mil on a $100 mil budget, with two of the biggest stars in the world and a gorgeous location…it should have done much better.
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Not with a bad script. I haven’t seen the movie either and I’m not planning to. I don’t think most people go to a movie any more because of who’s playing in it; they go for the storyline. I didn’t see Changeling in the theater either; it’s not my type of movie.
@Whitenoise and juliana: are you seriously saying that when you see Angelina on screen, all you can see is tabloid headlines? 🙄
When I see someone onscreen, I don’t see any tabloid headlines or any other extraneous material. All I see is a good or bad actor.
Get over it all of the box office for every movie was down this week-end do you hater”s think for a minute it could be the economy and the weather? Because Jennifer Aniston is a bad actress with a washed up career some people will like to compare Jolie’s career to hers, that’s wishful thinking.
@Blaster -“@Whamo didn’t you know!? If you have any criticism of Jolie, you MUST be a Jen Hen. It is the only explanation. Because who could have anything to criticise about Jolie normally!?
::rolls eyes::” ~ LOL – AGREED!!!!
@Love Angelina – OMG…I’m nothing but entertained by your obsessive babble! Usually, I just read your posts and think to myself, “wow, this girl REALLY likes Angelina Jolie”…but now I just think you’re completely obsessed and will fight to the death to defend her! Entertaining…to say the least… But hey..to each his own.
@Love Angelina, I just meant to say that I don’t think that the rabid haters can have such an influence on the BO, because there are two fan bases that would be interested in seeing this movie: AJ’s one and JD’s one. And if the haters can change the fortune of a movie, the same can do the fans. AND some of us (me for sure) are ABOVE ALL fans of JD than haters of AJ. Plain and simple.
That said – according to your reasoning – some Angelina’s movies succeed just because of the “loonies”, and I don’t think it’s true.
Oh, as far as I know I don’t see many of the haters writiting – here on this thread – some “cute” excuse to justify the fact that they won’t see the movie. I don’t think that they would be ashamed of simply aknowledge that they wouldn’t go to see that movie just because of AJ.
PS: I saw Salt and I quite liked it. And AJ was the only lead in that movie. Yeah, I saw it because I lost a “heads or tails” with my friends and otherwise I surely I wouldn’t have gone to the cinema to see it, but that doesn’t change the fact that it was quite entertaining, in spite of AJ’s lack of acting skills.
@Cheyenne – save the eye-rolling if you don’t mind, it’s boring. And please don’t put words in my mouth. I said nothing about tabloid headlines, I said for me, her ‘star-factor’ overwhelms because she is not imo a good enough actress to overcome it. That you don’t feel the same is neither here nor there. To try and pass it off as a flaw on my part for not being able to see beyond the hype is missing the point. I CAN see beyond the hype, I thought she did a very good job in Changeling, but that was a recent rarity.
If you don’t agree with it, your perogative, but maybe try to accept that the way you feel about Jolie as an actress is not the only option.
Even if you COULDNT see beyond the hype…ummm who could blame you?? Also, why would that be a bad thing on your part?
whamo: One does crappy rom-coms the other does crappy spy films, same sh!t different pile.
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Gotta hand it to ya, hon — you spread the hate evenly.
@Solveig: Just wondering — how come JD’s fan base hasn’t turned out en masse for this movie? Probably for the same reason AJ’s fan base hasn’t: bad trailers and bad reviews. I ignore the reviews, but the trailers were uninspiring, to say the least.
It might not be a huge bomb, but it bombed, considering it cost $100 million to create. I highly, highly, highly doubt that they are going to get a return on this massive investment, even with worldwide retail.
I can’t believe you guys are arguing over this…JD and AJ are some of the top earners in the Hollywood…I’m GUESSING around what 10-15+ million PER MOVIE, and JD is probably close to the 20+ range per movie. If the opening weekend is less than their average salaries combined, regardless of it coming in 2nd place…the movie is a flop..case closed…let it go. Everyone makes a stinker once in a while and JD and AJ aren’t above it. I can’t believe people are getting worked up about a poor performance at the box office when it happens to everyone in Hollywood once in awhile.
I haven’t seen it because it hasn’t been released in Brazil yet. Will see it in January (according to IMDb that’s when it opens here).
Love her, love him…I’ll blatantly ignore the bad reviews and give the movie a shot — even if it’s just for the eye-candy.
I still don’t understand why JD let himself go to seed for this role. No one wants to see him ‘unhotted’. What was he thinking??
@lena80: Angie’s salary for “Tourist” was $20 million plus backend. Don’t know what Depp’s salary was.
@Crash: Wait till you see what he’s got coming out in 2012. He’s playing Tonto in a remake of The Lone Ranger and he wants Brad Pitt or George Clooney in the title role.
Cheyenne:
December 13th, 2010 at 2:35 pm
@Solveig: Just wondering — how come JD’s fan base hasn’t turned out en masse for this movie? Probably for the same reason AJ’s fan base hasn’t: bad trailers and bad reviews. I ignore the reviews, but the trailers were uninspiring, to say the least.
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Are you agreeing with me or what?
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Of course none – or very few – of us JD’s fans are interested in seeing this movie.
And it’s not like “I’m not going to see The Tourist because of AJ”: I’m not going to see the movie because the trailers suck and the reviews are depressing, in spite of Depp. AND it seems that Johnny Depp is one of the main reasons behind the failure of this film. I have no problem admitting that he hasn’t done a good job, it woulnd’t be the first time.
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Crash2GO2:
December 13th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
I still don’t understand why JD let himself go to seed for this role. No one wants to see him ‘unhotted’. What was he thinking??
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I would say that very few people are disposed to spend money on a movie that is getting bad reviews. I have no problems in watching an “unhotted” JD. He wasn’t hot in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, he wasn’t hot in PotC, nor he is hot in Sweeney Todd.
Black Swan was playing in only 90 theaters and made 3.5 M this weekend (compared to the Tourist which played in 2,756 theaters). The Fighter opened in 4 theaters and made $350,000. People showed up for films they thought were worth their time.
I hope this shows Hollywood that they can’t have two A-List actors phone in a performance to a crap film and expect the American people to pay $12 a pop to go see it.
I am beyond neutral in the JA vs AJ debate, but I did go to the movies this weekend and I refused to see The Tourist. The trailers were awful and disjointed. This isn’t because I hate AJ, it’s because I hate spending money on a stupid movie.
The King’s Speech was amazing.
@Solveig: I’m not a big Johnny Depp fan; he overdid the both eye-liner and the mugging for the camera in the Pirates films, but Sleepy Hollow will always be one of my favorites. I love that movie!
i like depp, and have no real feeling one way or the other for jolie, but this movie looks like shit. the trailers are laughable, he looks like crap and her accent is awful. also, they seem to have no chemistry between them. i watched jean-luc goddard’s “breathless” over the weekend – what a great movie it is. jean seberg and paul belmondo put all these modern “sex symbols” to shame!
@solveig Ok So I don’t know what the heck your first paragraph is talking about. However I don’t care if anyone is a hater and I don’t think they influence the Box Office, I never said that. Just because you don’t know a hater of Angie’s doesn’t mean I don’t. I know who they are and alot of them came on here talking about how boring the trailer was or talking about Angie’s acting as if even for a second they would have gone to see it if these things had been perfect. Please. They were trying to be cute.
Your bottom paragraph just proves my point. Glad to see you enjoyed Salt even if you don’t know great acting when its strangling a man from banister.
Seriously, just because it came in #2 place, that makes The Tourist immune from being a bomb?
Actually, placement doesn’t matter at all. Watchman came in #1 on its opening weekend and lost substantial money on its returns relative to budget.
The Tourist is the same sort of thing. With a $100 million budget and probably about $40-50 million spent on advertising, a $17 million opener is abysmal. Historically, a studio will only keep half of those ticket sales, and opening weekend is the biggest weekend, so they’re pretty screwed here. At best, the movie will double the opener domestically over the coming weeks, but this film will probably not break even.
I adore Angelina, but this one’s a bomb, thanks to a terrible script that couldn’t even be disguised in the movie’s trailers.
I’ve always thought Angelina is a great actress, I remember her in Gia, and in Girls interrupted,but now I have the feeling she always plays the same character: femme fatale -with or without gun- and it’s starting to be boring. And it’s a pity she can do much much better.
Eleonor: she always plays the same character: femme fatale -with or without gun
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She didn’t play a femme fatale in A Mighty Heart, The Good Shepherd or Changeling. She gave solid performances in all three films and was nominated for an Oscar in two of them. However, those films didn’t do as well commercially as her kick-ass movies. People pay for what they want to see and they want to see Jolie kicking ass.
@agent bedhead: “Watchmen” probably came in at #1 on opening day because the studio marked that movie so heavily that it generated enormous pre-release interest. Once it came out and word got out about how bad it was, attendance dropped accordingly. I turned it off the TV after ten minutes. And that movie actually scored 64% on rottentomatoes.com.
God forbid you say anything even slightly negative about this homewrecking slut. I’m glad her movie bombed and I hope her future projects do as well.
I saw the film. I expected to hate it. But I actually loved it.I found it quite charming and sweet.
Definitely enjoyable and not deserving of the slamming its getting. I don’t think it was supposed to be highbrow, just something fun.
The trailer was abysmal. It’s not an action film. It’s slow building drama/comedy/romance
People are acting like its as bad as norbit or something
@Cheyenne, I love that movie too! I fell in love with Johnny and Christina as a couple, they were soooo cute.
Probably that movie represent the last Burton & Depp collaboration that worked, so far.
@Love Angelina, I’ma aware that my post is a mess: I was replying to that specific quote and to your post(s) in general, and let’s make it simple and cancel the part of my comment where I simply said that both AJ’s and JD’s fan base would guarantee the success at the BO, and consider just this:
“Oh, as far as I know I don’t see many of the haters writing – here on this thread – some “cute” excuse to justify the fact that they won’t see the movie. I don’t think that they would be ashamed of simply aknowledge that they wouldn’t go to see that movie just because of AJ.”
I actually see comments here of “haters” who unequivocally say that they are not going to see the movie because of AJ. If they are proud haters as you are a proud fan, why do they need to hide their real reasons (for not seeing the movie)?
I think that you are too involved and wounded by the failure at the BO and as a movie to be unbiased while reading these comments.
Lastly, I actually enjoyed that scene (in Salt), but it’s not exactly the epitome of good acting, eh.
Box office Mojo: $16,430,000 weekend total for “Tourist”
Eh it didn’t seem like it would be that good. It’s like JD squeezed it in for money because he had some time before his 84th Pirates movie. Did they even film for very long? Plus I don’t think anyone was screaming for this pair, so it couldn’t survive bad buzz and make a dent in the opening weekend just based on excitement value. For the most part the two have very different audiences, in my experience, except maybe for shipper types.
@Cheyenne: that’s the point her kick ass performances, the ones which made her famous are all similar, and even if she has done other kind of things, the femme fatale (with or without a gun) image is much heavier than other roles she’s played.
Angelina Jolie is so famous, and talented, she can have the privilege to choose to do a movie or not. I think she could refuse plot like this, simply because she’s just done it.
I find the argument that it’s not a bomb because the Box Office is down to be quite funny. That means people couldn’t be bothered to go.
$17 million for a movie starring two of the biggest stars set in Venice and Paris has to be very disappointing to all involved. This movie has been marketed to death, the commercials are constant and have been for weeks.
The studios only hope now is that people will go see it strictly because they like the leads. My hope is studios will make better movies instead of relying on people buying a ticket just because so-and-so is in it.
LAWL: You idots were the first to accuse Aniston of a bomb when her movie made $20 million with a $40 mill budget. It made half its budget back in its opening weekend
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No, hon, it didn’t. Switch made $8 million on its opening weekend and opened at #8. Love Happens made $8 million on its opening weekend at #4 and topped out at $30 mil. And we won’t even talk about Management. Do your research before you come on here posting numbers.
@whatever: “Homewrecking slut”? Honey, this is 2010, not 2005. You seem to be very personally affected by the breakup of somebody else’s marriage that had nothing whatever to do with you. Did it hit too close to home?
@Cyui:”I say old cause if you’re past 21 you’re old to them. People older don’t run out and see movies anymore”
Your post makes sense and true, most older people I know not only don’t run to the movies (or anywhere else for that matter 🙂 ) some of them (me) don’t know most of the people in the movies anymore 🙂 which is why I just enjoy the debates and the opinions of those who do follow the celebs and go to the movies. I also am glad for these sites so I can at least recognize the people on TV and in the movies now. Big thank you to Celebitchy and the sites you list below, y’all keep me laughing out loud and pretty “au courant”
Johnny looks no good in this movie! to much puffy face (I think botoxed too seeing the recent pictures of him) and to much fat!
on Letterman Johnny was back in his regular size but his face is strange, to much changed, he has a very puffy face and tons of makeup on! where’s his fantastic cheek bones?
He’d better with some wrinkles then this botoxed face, his smile is rigid and very strange…
it’s sad to see him in this way! he’s been the most beautiful man in the world until PE premiere june 2009!
@Cheyenne True. But even more important with both of these movies are the outrageous budgets. Movies that are made on just a few million are leaving them in the dust. Just ridiculous, and perhaps people are right when they say that leading actors are quite overpaid.
I am a JD fan, but I would like to see him hot instead of puffy. AJ was great in Gia. Don’t know what happened to
her acting skills after that. I saw the trailer for Tourist, but it seemed like an ad for a very confused, movie. Based on it I would not buy a ticket. As for reviews and critics, I believe that those who can act, direct, etc. do so. Those who can’t become reviewers and critics. I’ve seen both great movies and terrible ones, but at least I relied on my own judgement and interests. Box office rankings and return on investment do not make a good movie, they only make a profitable one.
@agent bedhead: I’d be the last person to argue with that. I don’t care how good an actor is or how much I like him/her, I think $20 million plus backend for one movie is obscene. That was Jolie’s salary for “Tourist”; I don’t know what Depp was paid. But as long as the studios are willing to shell out that much money, you won’t hear the actors complaining.
Studios gamble on big-budget movies. Avatar cost mega-millions to make and made TWO BILLION DOLLARS at the box office. The latest Harry Potter has made $778 million and counting. It will probably make in the neighborhood of a billion before it finishes its run. And both those films made at least twice as much overseas as they made domestically. The overseas market is where the money is.
Yes, Cheyenne, when an actor’s personal life overshadows their professional life, it is hard for me (and others) to see past that.
I’m not bashing Miss Jolie,I loved her in Gia, and Hackers.
Cheyenne: Jolie has been nominated for Oscars twice-once for Changeling and once for Girl Interrupted. She was neither nominated for nor won Oscars for A Mighty Heart or The Good Shepard.
Studios gamble on big budget films that are pretty much guaranteed to succeed or seem guaranteed to succeed. Avatar was an amazingly beautiful film. The new technology was a bit part of the draw as well-even if the story wasn’t that great (Ferngully on crack). And Harry Potter has a HUGE rabid built in audience who would happily sit and watch a 6 hour long Harry Potter film (I’m one of them). Shelling out $100 million on a film that doesn’t utilize new technologies, isn’t going to be marketed properly and doesn’t have a rabid built in fan base isn’t really bright on the studio’s part.
I think this studio was banking on Jolie’s and Depp’s relative fan bases instead of creating a good enough script. Actors aren’t bringing in the crowds anymore. It’s not enough to say “Oh this person or that person is in this film”. You’ve got to have something more. Harry Potter and Avatar have a lot more than big stars.
The Tourist, apparently, has nothing going for it but the two stars and Italy.
And I agree with some others in saying that she is way overexposed. We know just about everything about her personal life-we’ve seen a picture of her breastfeeding her baby. If that isn’t overexposed, I don’t know what is.
And she is NOT a good enough actress to keep some people from thinking about her constant tabloid life when they watch a film with her in it.
Last thing, why doesn’t she do comedy? Even ‘serious actors’ like Robert De Niro and Meryl Streep have done comedies.
Great Movie. Did not bomb at all. The audience loved it and clapped. This movie has an audience, it is sophisticated, witty, polished and even funny because of the juxtaposition of such opposite characters. Jolie was superb as an aloof, sophisticated and worldly spy set on entrapment; the accent was spot on. Depp was fantastic as a math teacher from Wisconsin under the spell of a gorgeous woman out of his league, he is such an accomplished actor, so great at his craft that he projected on screen exactly what a teacher from wisconsin who likes mystery novels would be like. He is not playing an over the top character such as a pirate or a gangster nor was he playing a sexy Rock Star. His performance: superb. They did have chemistry and the movie was romantic, funny, a modern Cary Grant/Kelly combo and a stretch for both of them. I’ll blame the lack of imagination of reviewers and a certain public with a thirst for thrash, blood and bodily functions on screen. I like the fact that as actors they are brave enough to do something different, intellectually appealing and refined instead of relying on the Brits or the French to make such genre.
It doesn’t matter if “we” see it as a bomb or not, the *industry* sees it as a bomb.
Okay, I have one thing to address. FOR THE LAST TIME: Johnny Depp gained weight for the role and was supposed to look like he does. He did not let himself go to seed for the role, it was the look required of him,. I have read that several places, and am so tired of everyone talking about how ugly he looks in this role. He is supposed to look like your Average Joe.
Okay, back to your bickering.
CRISTAL! love your work. very very very well-put.
@Hamm: I’m not arguing your point. The star system died a long time ago. If the studio shelled out $100 mil based on the two leading actors, that was their dumb move. Most people won’t go to see a film any more just because their favorite actor or personality is in it. I didn’t see either Changeling or AMH because they aren’t my type movies. I like Johnny Depp but the only movie of his I was willing to spend money to see was “Sleepy Hollow”.
I don’t know if you saw “Mr. and Mrs. Smith” but I would call that a comedy/drama rather than a straight-up action film. Both Pitt and Jolie had some very good deadpan comic turns in that movie.
BTW “Avatar” was a visually gorgeous movie but the plot and the characterization were godawful. That said, it doesn’t keep me from watching it every time it comes on cable just for the pure visual treat.
cristal: You should look into film marketing. But chances are, you already have a job doing precisely that.
Jolie in a comedy would be a disaster… even Jolie pre-perfect life persona, I could never see her being a good comedic actor.
That being said why are so many people emotionally invested in how much money a movie makes. Either you like the movie or you don’t. I’ve watched some of the best movies that didn’t do well at the box office. Who cares, it’s not lining our pockets.
I wouldn’t mind seeing this movie but for the moment nothing and noone can make me confront the cold just for entertainment purposes.
I like Jolie and Depp, but the trailer is cheesy especially that awful dialogue about him having a horrible name… I don’t like cheese, but I do like seeing hot stars on screen.
Aren’t all her movies bombs and crap? 😆
Devilgirl: ROTFL!!!
@ Solveig There was no failure at the box office. The movie did exactly what I hoped it would because I knew the Narnia movie would be #1. People can nitpick with the results all day long, the whole box office was down this week that has nothing to with Angelina, who BTW wasn’t the only person in the movie she did have a co star who NONE of the celeb sites even bothered to mention. It did great IMO considering all the other factors it faced like weather, like I couldn’t have been home more then a few seconds before like the sky opened up and it was a freaking blizzard outside. I wasn’t slammed as much as the rest of the mid west but you know.
Anyway you and I have very differing opinions on talent because Angelina was amazing in Salt, no body could have pulled that off but Angie. NO ONE.
@bitter fruit: your name describes you. 😆
Cheyenne: I haven’t seen Mr. and Mrs. Smith so I assumed the two leads were more or less playing straight while Vince Vaugh was the comedic relief.
Sleepy Hollow is a fantastic movie and I agree about Avatar. The story just isn’t there but the visuals are stunning. And I have a soft spot for musclehead cutie Sam Worthington. Watching him makes my nethers happy.
It’s not because of a blizzard or timing. It sucked. Plain and simple. Even die hard Jolie/Depp fans have been admitting that. She’s never been a great actress and her movie usually bomb. She seriously needs to gain some weight, her face is so damn sullen and gaunt.
I blame the sweater dress.
Lol@stronzilla! Everytime I look at those pictures I do a side eye at that dress.
bombed
i freakin’ love her and i’ll see it just to look at the gorgeousness- paris, venice, herself (i’m not into a chubby,flat-affect johnny depp; i wasn’t into his smooth-faced skinny thing either, it’s just me).
i’ll admit that i’d rather watch her in an earlier, funnier, more whiz-bang film like mr. and mrs. smith for the gazillionth time than a second time in a movie like salt, wanted, or (probably) the tourist… my theory is that this right on the heels of salt (at least here in europe) and the general look of it feels really too similar: she’s gorgeous, she kicks ass along a varying range of tough-girl-ness (this was apparently a stretch because she was playing “a lady”)- even to a diehard fan like me it gets a little disappointed that yeah, things start to seem a little formulaic and phoned-in, even rush-jobbed. and again! it pains me! ‘cuz i love her! but the whiff of phony accent i heard in the trailer felt a little embarassing.
Congrats to The Tourist and its cast
on their Golden Globe nominations 🙂
“Flopity flop flop
FLOPGELINA
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And WE are supposed to be the loonies…..fmd!!
“Marjalane:
December 13th, 2010 at 11:00 am The commercials for this movie made it look completely unappealing; Johnny Depp was puffy and greasy and Angelina looked like a “Real housewife” reject!
Somewhere on a sunny beach, Jennifer Anniston is smiling.”
More Loonifer comments, dragging Aniston in to insult Angelina. And AGAIN I say, *we* are supposed to be the ‘loonies’? Beep me dead! I’ve never seen people write snarky and nasty comments like the Jen fans do. From now on, I’ll re-post a post a Loonifer makes and the loonifers will NEVER be able to call Angelina fans ‘loons’ again, because it is THEY who are the TRUE loons.
“Anak:
December 13th, 2010 at 11:56 am The problem with it was that no one wants to see that skeleton trying to act, even with Deep! And somewhere, in the beach, Aniston is having a happy day!”
More irrational loony loopy hatred.
Oh, and considering Angelina has been nominated for the GGs, and Aniston, the real supposed comedy actress wasn’t, I guess she is NOT so happy NOW. haha
“God forbid you say anything even slightly negative about this homewrecking slut. I’m glad her movie bombed and I hope her future projects do as well. ”
Spitefully and immaturely gloating over a bomb and hoping all her future movies bomb too – the epitompy of a true loonifer.
Btw, Angelina has NEVER been a ‘homewrecker’ (btw there is NO SUCH THING as a ‘homewrecker’ no one can wreck someone ELSE’s marriage, exscept for the wife JEN who did a stella job), and as for slut, look at Aniston, not someone who has been in a monogamous relationship for 5 years. Angelina is a nun compared to Aniston and most of Hollywood. Then again, heaven forbid anyone say ANYTHING NICE about Angelina….
Sami: I’ve never seen people write snarky and nasty comments like the Jen fans do.
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They don’t call the Jenhens the Boo-Hoo Sisterhood for nothing. 😆
I can’t imagine how I watched the same movie as so many critics and The Tourist haters! It could only boil down to us wanting/expecting completely different things.
I absolutely LOVED this movie and it might be the FIRST AJ movie I’ll own (I loved Tomb Raider and Mr. and Mrs. Smith as well but never bought them-I’m still unsure of whether or not AJ really cheated with Brad while he was still married or they didn’t express their interests until after his split from JA so I think that always deterred me from the latter).
ANYWAY, this movie was a suspense, romance and mystery film and soooooo clean! It reminded me a lot of some of those older films with Bogey or Charade or North by Northwest (which I LOVE and own). I think those displeased with this movie must have been expecting or wanting a JD/AJ soft porn and for this reason are unsatisfied.