I don’t know why these new photos of Natalie Portman and Benjamin Mille-whatever are making so happy. Usually in candids of Natalie and Ben, she’s the one who is extremely covered up and he’s the one who is like “Pose. Turn. Pose. Blue Steel. Clench.” In these pics, he looks like the Unabomber and she’s all “Oh, it’s just Perfect Me, out with my Perfect Baby-Daddy!”
Speaking of Perfect Natalie and how she does Everything Perfectly, Forever, there’s a new chapter in the ongoing saga of “Who the hell did the dancing in Black Swan?” I know, you thought it was over, right? I’m not even going to recap everything, just know that Natalie’s dance double Sarah Lane has been claiming for a month now that she did all of the big dance sequences in Black Swan, and everybody else from the film has been like “No, Natalie is Perfect!!” The last chapter we had was Natalie Portman finally saying something about the controversy – and referring to it as “nastiness”. Because Sarah Lane = NASTY to Perfect Natalie. Well, Sarah Lane sat down for an interview with ABC News… and she makes some good points:
Some quotes from the article, here at ABC News:
“[A producer] asked if I would please not do any more interviews until after the Oscars because it was bad for Natalie’s image,” Lane said. “They were trying to create this image, this facade, really, that Natalie had done something extraordinary. Something that is pretty much impossible … to become a professional ballerina in a year and half. Even with as hard as she worked, it takes so much more. It takes twenty-two years, it takes thirty years to become a ballerina.”
Jess Cagle, the managing editor for Entertainment Weekly, agreed, saying, “they diminished what Sarah did by telling Sarah to shut up and not talk and don’t let anyone know.”
Portman’s face was superimposed onto Lane’s body through special effects called “face replacement” in pivotal dance scenes to make it appear as if it were Portman executing technically sophisticated moves.
“Full body shots with actual dancing is me. That’s why they hired me,” Lane said.
In a written statement, “Black Swan” director Darren Aronofsky said, “Here is the reality. I had my editor count shots. There are 139 dance shots in the film — 111 are Natalie Portman untouched. Twenty-eight are her dance double Sarah Lane. If you do the math, that’s 80 percent Natalie Portman.”
“It’s possible if you’re counting the close-ups of her face as actual dancing shots. I don’t call close-ups of her face actual dancing,” Lane said.
“Black Swan” editor Andy Weisblum agreed to take a closer look for “20/20.” “There are about 35 shots that are full body shots in the movie. Of those 35 shots, 12 are Natalie, and then the rest are Sarah,” Weisblum said. “But over the overall film, Natalie did a lot more than that. I mean, she did most of the other shots. It was sometimes hard for me to tell the difference as the editor, it was so close.”
Lane said her feelings about being credited changed late last year after Portman received an Oscar nomination for best actress and the movie’s backers began an aggressive campaign on the actress’s behalf.
“There’s so much emotionally that goes into motivating yourself and being able to physically push yourself to reach a certain level, that you have to reach to be a professional ballerina with one of the biggest ballet companies in the world and to sustain that standard over a whole career,” Lane said. “It really hurts for someone to say that, they got a personal trainer and they became what I spent blood, sweat and tears doing every day, all my life, in just a year and a half.”
“A lot of the campaign was focused on the physical preparation, the transformation,” Cagle said. “The Academy loves it when an actor does something besides act in a movie. There was in a lot of the marketing materials for “Black Swan,” certainly the implication that Natalie became a great world class ballet dancer.”
Lane acknowledged that while Portman trained hard for the film, her dancing technique was nowhere near as good as hers.
“I’ve been doing this for 22 years, and to say that someone trained for a year and a half and did what I did is degrading not only to me but to the entire ballet world,” Lane said.
Wendy Perron, editor-in-chief of Dance Magazine, a choreographer and a dancer, said she knew of Lane’s role in “Black Swan” and wondered why a soloist ballerina whose technical skills were vital to the complicated dance sequences was being cast out of the limelight.
“She’s an artist,” Perron said. “It’s not just that it was difficult. It’s that she brought an artistry to it, and Natalie Portman is a dramatic artist, a film artist. But Sarah Lane is a dance artist, and she helped make the movie what it was. … It bothered me. I think she should get credit for it.”
Perron wrote her opinion in a blog that was soon picked up in the national media, and “Black Swan” filmmakers moved swiftly to defend their star.
Portman has continued to decline to comment on the controversy, and told E! News last week, “I had a chance to make something beautiful with this film, and I don’t want to give in to the gossip.”
For Lane, the silver lining in this controversy may just be that ballet is taking center stage in a national discussion. An unanticipated opportunity to share the commitment and dedication of all ballet dancers.
“I have so much respect for this art form and the people who are able to do it so beautifully and I want to stand up for that,” she said. “I want people to know how hard we work as professional dancers. What is not necessarily, really portrayed in the movie, is the beauty that ballet can create. How it can reach across oceans, and how it can bond countries who are completely at war.”
[From ABC News]
I was over this controversy weeks ago, but I’m giving Sarah Lane credit for not shutting her mouth and going away just because everyone is falling all over themselves to defend Perfect Natalie. I think Lane had a point back then and she still has a point. And I personally don’t think the “Natalie won her Oscar for her acting, not the dancing” argument holds water. Natalie won her Oscar for the entirety of the performance on film, and there was a concerted effort to make it sound like Portman did more of her dancing than she actually did. And yes, I’m talking about the actual dancing, not just the little constipated dance faces Natalie made while flapping her arms in close-up.
Photos courtesy of Fame.
i would respect Natalie if she would admit that she was not responsible for the exquisite dancing which we all saw…then again, any fool would know there is no way she could have done such a flawless job. Ms. Lane deserves credit and recognition.
ENOUGH! Nobody in the movie going public EVER thought that Natalie Portman became an actual ballerina, or did the complicated dancing! No one thought that in a year she transformed herself into a prima ballerina.
People thought she worked hard to realistically portray a ballerina. I dont know ANYONE before this controvsery who thought any different.
This controversy is so inside and stupid. It is obvious that there are disgruntled people (and Lane has cause for not getting proper credit at the end of the film) but MY GOD, ENOUGH!
Pregnancy does not suit her…I tend to believe the backup but she is not going to win herself any fans by trying to blast Portman. She can`t really win so it`s best if she goes away quietly and focuses on her dancing.
Over it.. . don’t care.
once again, the girl signed a contract for a specific job, she did the job, she got paid, now it’s time to stop talking and get back to her art.
Yea I agree that regardless of how the studio pushed it, or how Sara lane saw that they pushed it, no one believe Natalie could’ve danced that well all through a year and a half of training. This is really getting ridiculous. Where did this idea from that everyone thought she became a world class ballerina for the film? Did people really think that Hillary Swank became a prize fighting boxer in Million Dollar Baby? I never, ever got that impression and neither did anyone I know. This is beating a dead horse, and quite frankly beating a horse no one gave a shit about to begin with. I understand that she wants credit for her work, but the general public that saw Black Swan isn’t being given enough credit either. We’re not stupid. We know she didn’t do the dancing. And to be general and blunt, we don’t care who did.
I think its an interesting discussion. I wonder, sometimes, if the easy fame of Hollywood does make us discredit the truly accomplished in our society. Maybe we should stop now and then and think about that. I am kind of thankful to be reminded of the value of hard work over the long haul.
But, then again, I, also, know its only a movie.
I, also, agree with Kaiser. Natalie should have been more gracious.
Kaiser, I love you. I love the entire post but especially agree with the last paragraph. It’s perfect and summarizes everything.
she won an Oscar because her caracter is “against type” for her,her acting(she acts like Dicaprio in SHUTTER ISLAND) and she’s believable in ballerina(thank CGI)
but you see a real ballet show,you can see the choregraphy isn’t very good(too rigid)and the dancing too
I agree with Liana and I understand and am sympathetic to the dancer but she needs to let it go. You don’t get your name on the marquee for being a body-double and that’s exactly what she was, and signed up for.
this story is full of crap why the heck is this woman still getting press, i dont see stunt doubles asking for press like this get over yourself….
I cosign #2, #3 and #4.
If–at any point– you actually thought she turned into a prima ballerina and did not have a dance double for the movie, then congratulations on finding your way to the internet! That must have been hard for you.
This all started when K-Fed++ was gloating that his baby momma did most of the dancing. I’d have been pissed to. Good for her for not being bought off by the Hollywood machine.
EXACTLY, #2!! Does anyone really think that Natalie Portman became a professional level dancer? No, anyone with a brain already assumed that they used a professional dancer for most of the actual ballet dancing.
I don’t get why Celebitchy (and Lainey gossip among others) continually crap on Natalie Portman. I don’t understand why all the hate? What has she done?
Yeah she campaigned hard awards season. But I don’t see why being ambitious and doing whatever it takes to win is such a problem? So what if she’s a bit fake? Why do we need celebrities to be “real” or whatever. She’s competitive. SO WHAT! She must be doing something right if she’s won all the awards. I just really don’t see a the point of crapping on her the whole time when all its seems she has done is go out and aggressively work for what she wants.
damn, this woman is really annoying… who’d hire her after this?
TBH you would have to pretty naive to believe that Natalie did the majority of the dancing in the movie. I mean it takes like 20+ years to be a ballerina and she apparantley did it in less than a year. Come on
In saying that though i loved her in the movie and she won the Oscar for her acting not her dancing so it really doesn matter
I’m basically with Mia Girl here. I do understand more now about why Lane is upset, but to be honest, I think part of her reacting this way is that she’s been upstaged, and she’s been sheltered and unprepared to be eclipsed by working actors and other peons in normal culture (not that Portman is especially down-to-earth, but still). I happen to have learned well before I saw this movie (which I must confess I adored) that a person who spends their life becoming a ballet performer is, starting when they are a child and it’s not their fault, more swathed in the silencing fluffy clouds of rarification than anyone except perhaps the children of the Saudi royal family. She has a right to be hurt, but it’s largely because of the life she has continued to choose that she IS hurt. I still say she signed up for all this.
Never ever I imagined that I’d be defending Portman so passionately but Sarah Lane who just can’t stop spewing her passive-agressive shit did it to me.
I’m not going to post links and quotes for the forth time but Portman DID admit using body double for all serious dancing in the movie and DID name Sarah Lane.
Aronofsky DID admit to the same thing saying that Sarah Lane is featured in all the scenes with on pointe dancing but one.
They’ve uploaded special effects video that showed how Sarah’s face was replaced with Portman’s in various scenes and that video stayed online in it’s ORIGINAL form for 6 weeks, during the whole Oscar campaign.
And yes, the extended version of it is now on DVD.
Anyone who has a nerve to say that while doing all this they were conspiring against Sarah to hide her existence from the general public is troll.
Also anyone who thinks that actors actually learn all the skills they pretend to have in the movies is an idiot. So, no, Natalie Portman didn’t become a ballerina, Keanu Reeves doesn’t know kung fu, Russell Crowe sucks at math and Patrick Dempsey can’t do neurosurgery.
Also, there is no Santa Claus. Just in case you’re wondering.
Kaiser, I love your writing but why is it that you cover all stories about Natalie Portman when you so clearly hate her no matter what she says or does?
If anyone was dumb enough to think Portman became a ballerina in a year and a half then you deserve to be duped and you should also look up how many movies use body doubles for fighting scenes, nudity, dancing etc… You don’t hear about it because most doubles don’t try and get notoriety for it.
I read the articles where Natalie talks about training for the movie and what I took from it is that her body needed to look like a ballerinas and needed to move like a ballerinas so that she could play the part convincingly and that took a lot of hard work.
Portman would lose her Oscar if it was discovered she didn’t do a certain known percentage of the film. Look it up. It is a corrupt world – award campaigning is the worst. While we are at it, what really happened to Ronnie Chasen? Random murder or a “hit”? Afterall, she campaigned for many stars, films,etc. Wake up folks! This isn’t a fairy tale with a happy ending.
lol I bet princess Natalie is PISSED AS HELL to know her Oscar win is being tarnished with this scandal. that’s what she gets for campaigning for it with half truths and shotgun wedding plans… she’s a shit actress anyways and didn’t deserve to even be nominated.
Portman and gracious are two words that have never been bed fellows. She is an egotistical self absorbed shallow person. The fact that she steals and then claims it to be her own is very telling. It also proves how unintelligent she actually is; only a complete idiot would delude themselves into thinking that this sleazy and down right disgusting would be believable.
Sarah Lane has my respect- the art of ballet is practically endangered it’s just not as popular as your average hip shaking dance club or break dancing preformers and to have people like Sarah not back down and defend it is a very noble thing to do.
Portman should be disqualified and her Oscar taken back. what she did is not Oscar worthy and this stunt she pulled is beyond petty. Shame shame shame on her.
I think it is admirable that this girl didn’t back down. I think she was bullied and now everyone is trying to make it look like sour grapes. So what if it is? Sour grapes can be a relevant emotion. And I think NP should have said something gracious.
What the hell! I am so sick of this story. If anyone – ANYONE – thought that Natalie became an ABT level dancer in one year, then they’re idiots. Complete idiots. Stunt doubles are used all of the time. ALL OF THE TIME. The movie tells a story. It is not a goddamn dance documnetary. If Sarah Lane wanted to make it big, then perhaps she should have thought twice about being a BODY DOUBLE for a lead actress in this film. Period!
I GET IT. She wanted more credit. She’s pissed because she didn’t get a name drop at the Oscars. I DON’T GIVE A SHIT. I now think that Sarah Lane is a complete pain in the ass.
WHY IS THIS EVEN A STORY.
I still think this is a semantics debate with very little point.
I certainly don’t think Natalie Portman is perfect. For example the article here about Natalie not being a vegan reminded me what a horrible essayist she is.
But I also don’t think she tried to make out like she did all her dancing or pretended she had mastered the art of becoming a great ballerina in 18 months. So what if the campaign emphasized her preparation? She did prepare and work hard but it was to get into the mindset of being a ballerina. The actual moves were a small part of her performance in my opinion.
But I’m tired of all these people. Ironic since I’m commenting on the story, I know. I’m at the point of wanting them all to get over themselves but knowing it’ll never happen.
Whaaaaaat??? Give her credit?? For what? Selling out her perfect ballerina dance moves to Hollywood? Come on.
Lane was the body double – big deal. She can dance. Good for her. This is a movie – not real! – and lots of people with the actual talent play second fiddle to the ‘big name’ actors. Lane gets credit for being a bitch. Period. LOL
Something I wondered but am a little shy to ask not knowing all the details/timeframe, etc.
Isn’t a little strange to fall in love and decide to have a baby at a time when you admit to being, completely physically and emotionally fried in preparation for and fulfilling of the role? It does’t seem to be the best time to be making major life decisions.
Or is that just me?
you would think going into this, and after FLASHDANCE, that sarah wouldve known that this is what happens when you’re a stunt double. how many stunt doubles do you know by name?
@ND
You said it perfectly
You know…while I was watching Black Swan and regretting that I had left my home and spent money on that below average yet super pretentious crap, I knew she couldn’t possibly have done all the dancing. But I also wondered what kind of trick they used because it looked “believable” (a lot more than Flashdance, at least).
You guys are generalizing when you say everybody who believed Black Swan’s CGI lie is an idiot. I say this because I know people who are smart (and not usually naive) who thought she did most of the dancing, simply because they were not aware of how perfect face replacement could be. Maybe they’re not so much into cinema’s special effects or they really don’t care, but some people I know watched the movie and thought the dance scenes featured mostly Portman (because she was being shown completely, standing on her feet, a full body shot — they just didn’t know it was somebody else’s body with Portman smug face placed on it via CGI).
@ Curmudgeon (# 24):
You nailed it. However, I agree with Viper about Portman and the word gracious not belonging in the same sentence.
With all of her whining, there is never going to be another job as “dance double” for this girl! She can kiss that part of her career goodbye! Get over it girl, it is history and you are sounding like sour grapes!
good lord, is this chick still flapping her trap? yeah, everyone already knows natalie didn’t do most of the dancing. we also know that bruce willis and matt damon don’t do most of their stunts, and that often body doubles are used in nude scenes. duh.
This girl needs to climb back under the rock on pointe where she belongs. Any thoughts that she was after Natalie’s now fiance?
GAH!!! I watched the movie the other night – Lane was credited twice – both as a background cast member, and as part of the stunt team – and was paid for her work AND discussed in interviews at the time of the film’s release. Just as any other skill or stunt person is. What more does she want, her own Oscar? The full body dancing shots were pretty minimal, and were shot so far away you knew it was a double. Big whoop, just like any other film. And really the dancing as a whole in the film was pretty minimal, most of it is the back stage and home stuff – and that’s what Natalie won her Oscar for.
No, the studio shouldn’t have said shut up, but beyond that she’s arguing the wrong point – no one is saying Natalie is now a professional ballerina equal in skill to her, everyone simply thought, yes, she prepared and looks as convincing as needed for the film. That’s it! No one assumed Geoffrey Rush could be a professional concert pianist after Shine, or Hillary Swank could step into the ring for real after MDB, etc.
This must have been Lane’s first experience with film making, because she doesn’t seem to get what her role here was, even though everyone else does.
OMG, enough already.
This Sarah Lane girl is the bomb. Even after the studio, Mila Kunis, Millipied, Aronofsky and now even Natalie Portman basically invalidate her in shades of condescendingly gracious to condescendingly rude, she’s still just like, “whatevs. Back to what I was saying.” She wrote an article for the Wall Street Journal too! I think as far as this whole deal goes- the studio and all the actors definitely picked the wrong career field to mess with — dancers know *exactly* how hard they sacrifice and aren’t about to be credited as “stunt doubles”. They tried to be sweet to her face and a**holes to her back. You’d think the studio would’ve known beter considering they made a movie that showed just how precious most dancers are. Just as precious as they are! Go Sarah, never shut up. She is one strong b****.
Anybody else in Sarah Lane’s position would be frustrated too. Nobody is saying they believed Natalie did all the dancing. But Darren put out that statement saying she did 80% and before that Ben Millipussy said that mostly all of it was her. I imagine it was hard enough getting bs credit and basically signing away your large role in the movie must have been annoying enough, but then to have all the big names in the movie claim that Natalie did most of it herself was probably too much to take. You can’t blame Sarah for having self respect. Maybe I would have more respect for Natalie if she had laid out how much she owed Sarah for her work in her acceptance speech or gave her respect when this controversy came out. But Natalie doesn’t comment on this business because Natalie thinks this business is NASTY.
Kaiser, well said.
I don’t understand what this girl wants. She says she’s not looking to be famous or get credit, so what the hell is the point of all this? No one with common sense thought that Natalie did all the dancing.
Seriously I didn’t give one fig about the dancing. I mean come on this movie was a guilt pleasure fest at its finest. LETS GET REAL HERE NOONE CARES IF YOU REALLY DANCED AND NOT NATALIE get over yourself, hoe. [jk maybe]
@Mia girl (2) – I agree 100%. Ugh, so over it.
the one person in this whole spectacle who looks bad is Sarah Lane. I wonder what harm she is doing to her future career by all this nonsense. She was a stunt double. Movies use stunt doubles. Everyone knows this. Everyone who went to see Black Swan knew it was a fictional movie and not a documentary about Natalie Portman becoming a ballerina (and a giant bird). Sarah Lane is making herself look like a petty child. I can’t imagine another studio would ever hire her because of the way she is behaving.
@blc:
Whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA– WAIT A MINUTE HERE–
Natalie Portman did NOT ACTUALLY become a giant bird?
What?! Was that was some kind of special effects or CGI or something? How come they didn’t say that in the Oscar campaign?! And she never said a word in her speech about that!
They should take her Oscar away. I feel so betrayed and misled. I hope the people who actually did the work creating that bird come forward and set the record straight to anyone who will listen.
I’m over Natalie Portman 🙁
i cannot unsee what i saw here on the CGI reel demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4n71sjmd-bM
she should speak up, give credits where it’s due. It looked like she wanted that oscar too badly to be gracious.
It’s not that everyone believed that she actually could dance that good…it’s that the studios and director and everyone else involved that continued to say that Natalie did it all and was just SOOOO awesome and amazing…etc…etc. Just to get that Oscar win. They lied…again and again. When all they had to do was give the girl who did all the hard dancing work a little credit. Of course, if they had…Natalie wouldn’t have won.
Kaiser…you rock and this story is spot on.
I’m with viper and Jenn.
To me, everybody going on about how much Natalie danced in the movie is the equivalent of Jessica Alba word vomiting all that stuff about how she just ad libs her own lines and that she never gets good screenwriters. The more you pretend that you have a bigger role than what you did in a movie, the worse you look.
I find it interesting that everyone is so quick to jump on Sarah Lane. The director did recently come out and say that 111/139 (or 80%) of the dance shots were Natalie; now we learn that only 12/35 actual body dance shots were Natalie (or roughly 35%). That’s a huge difference!
The truth is they did ask Sarah Lane to shut up so they could promote Natalie as a great dancer. They are still lying about it and trying to paint Sarah Lane as a bitchy troublemaker. Why not just admit that Sarah Lane did the majority of the dance shots in the film and move on? Why continue to lie about it? Natalie already has the Oscar.
sarah never opened her mouth until Thousand Foot asserted that Nathalie did 80% of the dancing.
Now you and I may never have entertained the thought that Nathalie really danced any of the hard bits – but I can assure you that there are an awful lot of movie goers who are either dumb as as a box of hair or simply wouldn’t care to analyse who did the dancing… and it’s to counteract the impression Thousand Foot and co have actively sought to implant in the dumb, movie goers’ mind that Sarah is going on and on and on.
And she should.
It’s bloody hard to become a prima ballerina. I tried for years as a child and wasn’t nearly good enough to go on…. You can’t train for a year and even pull a convincing look of strain – (hence, constipation face).
Thousand feet is a Charlatan as far as I’m conncered..
If this is true, then the producers did treat Lane badly. She should have argued for more credit BEFORE the film started. However, the producers would have cast someone more compliant, I bet. That’s the way it works–Hollywood is a town where they use up talent and throw them away. And for her to work so hard at her craft and then have it denied so they can strengthen Portman’s Oscar chances? Well, that’s Hollywood, honey.
That being said, it’s hard for me to believe that the Academy was fooled by the dancing into giving Portman an Oscar. I’ve worked in films and it was a dead giveaway to me that she wasn’t doing all the dancing–too many close shots of her upper body. Natalie won because she went to great lengths to portray the character. She worked out, starved herself, took lessons, etc. She did an Ok job playing a mentally deranged ballerina and her doppelganger. Hollywood tends to reward dedication and Natalie did dedicate herself to the role. It’s kinda sad that people want to take her Oscar away because of the dancing.
Where was the outrage when it was discovered that Adrien Brody didn’t do all his piano playing for the movie that won him an Oscar? That guy NEVER mentioned his double, and the over-dubbing. Natalie mentioned she had a double twice. Yet, people seem to ignore that in favor of the Natalie is an ungrateful, hideous bitch argument. It just sounds like spite directed at her because she got lucky enough to win. I personally think Bening deserved the Oscar more, but I don’t begrudge Natalie her win. Whatever–
I wonder what SLs relation to million feet is. Since it was his comments that allegedly set this in motion.
There are body doubles for EVEYTHING! I said it in another thread on here, I body doubled for a big country star quite a few times in different music videos when I first moved to LA. Granted the dancing is pivotal to the story but it was the acting that made the movie and role. If it was all about the dancing, why didn’t they just hire the double instead of Natalie? Reminds me of the old Flashdance thing in the 80’s…and who was that dancer doubling for Jennifer Beals? No one remembers her anymore. So in closing, to the double for Natalie whose name I can’t be bothered to scroll up and look at, Bitch please shut up.
I think if you didn’t hate Natalie so much, you might not be so inclined to give Miss Sarah so much credit.
As many have said, NO ONE actually believed Natalie transformed herself into a real ballerina in 18 months and did all the dancing. If they did, they are an idiot. And Natalie did much more than make “constipated faces” while dancing. She transformed her body. She lost quite a bit of weight and really portrayed just how underweight dancers are and how much pressure there is to be perfect. Sarah Lane had nothing to do with that. And doing ANY dancing at all deserves recognition just as when actors sing in a movie.
If this were Christian Bale, who has also undergone amazing (and sometimes scary) physical transformations for roles, would we be questioning this? I mean do we really think he became a boxer and a drug addict for his Oscar?
Yeah, the dancing was cool. And yeah, there were special effects to make it look like Natalie. But seriously, get over it. It was the whole package that won the Oscar and that was much more than the dancing.
@ #18 – Just how exactly did you “learn” this? Because as someone who trained from a very young age at an elite ballet school, and did spend most of my life becoming a “ballet performer” as you put it (the correct term is ballet dancer btw), I can guarantee you that it’s the EXACT opposite from what you describe. It takes the most unbelievable hard work, dedication, discipline and ability to take abuse of all forms from an incredibly young age and I am in disbelief that you are comparing it to the Saudi Royal Family…perhaps it’s precisely because of these kinds of misperceptions that Ms. Lane feels the need to speak out, and I for one 100% support her.
An Oscar should be about ACTING not dancing or singing (cough, Jennifer Hudson). I haven’t seen the film yet and I ‘m NOT a Portman fan, but I do think this chick needs to STFU because she was hired to be a dance double not whine that she didn’t get enough credit.
uh…adrien brody didnt have any studio/oscar talk behind him about the psychotic dedication and excellence he displayed toward learning and –keyword– actual **performing himself** on piano as if he were a virtuoso, either. (though he probably did take lessons just to look convincing sitting at the bench.) whoever says sarah lane is wrecking her “future career” by mouthing off doesn’t get it. she’s a dancer not an actress. her career is about getting lead roles in ballets, and she’s in her prime and doing just that. hollywood doesn’t do enough dance films (and even fewer ballet films) for their demand for dance doubles to be high. and when they need someone, they pick a 22 year old. the time was right for sarah lane. she did the job, refused to be bullied, demanded respect, exposed hollywood’s shady tactics, and got paid to boot. dance is a hard profession with uneven and even crappy pay even when you’re at the top. she’s made out better than most dancers ever will, and no one will ever mess with her professionally. she’ll be better than fine.
Sorry am I only person here who don’t care for this ?
No one asked Superman can he really fly, and of course Natalie can’t dance perfectly because she’s an actress ! And a really good one too
@Ingrid – “Whaaaaaat??? Give her credit?? For what? Selling out her perfect ballerina dance moves to Hollywood? Come on.”
I don’t fault her for seeing an opportunity to perform on an ‘international stage’, a way to share her talent with a much larger audience.
@Eve – “You guys are generalizing when you say everybody who believed Black Swan’s CGI lie is an idiot.”
I agree. A lot of people were likely fooled by the quality of the computer animation used, but… It was far more likely it was the way it was presented in commericals. The time & effort she put forth for over a year preparing for the role. Then showing several dance-central scenes *while* it makes that statement… is incinuating strongly that Natalie is SUCH an incrediblely devoted actress, that she worked hard to pull off this role (implying the dancing scenes as well.)
They really did push the idea, & I do think the appearence of her devotion *does* have something to do with her being nominated for the Oscar. Not entirely, but it did contribute.
Yes, Lane probably isn’t going to get the recognizition she deserves… It sounds as though she was really taken aback by the way credit was given completely to Natalie. (Even though she said something about body doubles doing lot of the dancing a while back, she seems to have changed her position since.)
@endoplasmic_ridiculum – LOL @ “thousand foot’. That’s going to be what I call him from now on xD
Portman would lose her Oscar if it was discovered she didn’t do a certain known percentage of the film. Look it up.
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That is a completely ridiculous statement. Oscars are given for acting, not dancing. Don’t have to “look it up,” having grown up with the industry as part of my life from age 10.
Hollywood is a mean place. People don’t play fair, especially studios. But when does it become time to build a bridge and get over it? The film industry wasn’t was Ms Lane expected. Well, she’s a dancer. Go back to dancing.
I don’t think people are giving her credit for transforming into a ballerina, but rather for going above and beyond the call of duty and putting her heart and soul into the project. The point they were trying to convey is that she did a lot more than she probably had to to make the character believable. This is so unprecedented, it’s unbelievable. I can imagine every stunt person or body double now coming out of the woodwork trying to claim their share… it’s so ridiculous. This bitch is obviously bitter that ballerinas don’t get the same recognition actors do. Whether or not that’s justified is no reason to take it out on Portman.
Lucinda:
I don’t think Natalie trying hard is the issue behind the controversy. Nobody is saying that she did all of the dancing. This whole thing got started when Natalie’s bitch (Millipied) brought up that she did ALMOST ALL of the dancing. There would be no controversy if he and Darren weren’t pushing it so hard that she did most of the work. Its one thing to have Sarah’s work ignored, but its another to slap her in the face for being so willing to hide her significance.
I’m honestly surprised at so many people here who are willing to tell someone who worked hard and then most of the recognition was given to someone else to get over it and shut up. Haven’t we all be in that situation? I would like to think that most of us appreciate the little guy in this scenario.
I completely agree, Kaiser..”nastiness” lmao
..and stunt doubles are not ballerinas…cannot compare.
Sarah is awesome..huge balls, I fkn love it.
Natalie did not deserve that Oscar. Bye.
#38 Mshuffleupagus, I agree. I don’t blame Sarah at all for being upset for getting no initial recognition for her hard work. I’d be P.O.ed as hell if I was told not to mention that they pasted Natalie’s face on my body to anyone until after Natalie won an award. Not only did Miss Pretentiouspants Hershlag ignore Sarah in her Oscar speech and gush about “her love”, she had a second opportunity to say something nice and calls Sarah nasty. Natalie and her team are being the nasty ones here, they used Sarah like a stage prop for that Oscar.
That and the likelihood that Natalie didn’t care that Ben was in a relationship when she started messing around with him make her a first class C-U-Next-Tuesday. She doesn’t seem to give a crap about running over other women.
@Mshuffleupagus
It was started by Sarah’s bitch Wendy Perron.
http://dancemagazine.com/blogs/wendy/3733
http://dancemagazine.com/blogs/wendy/3741
BM was reacting to this in his interview.
@Zoya ITA!!!! And BTW how much is Annette Bening laughing her head off about all this?
Blah Blah Blah Natalie…Blah Blah Blah Natalie…Blah Blah Blah Natalie…Blah Blah Blah Sarah…Blah Blah Blah Natalie…Blah Blah Blah Natalie…Blah Blah Blah Sarah…Blah Blah Blah Natalie…Blah Blah Blah Natalie…Blah Blah Blah Natalie.
They are right – it was 80% Natalie and 20% Sarah!
Go figure…
She won for acting, not dancing. I am sure she got paid well to do be the double. What does she want an Oscar?
I don’t like Natalie so I am inclined to agree with anybody going against her but meh. I never watched Black Swan and though “wow, natalie portman is an amazing dancer”, just like I didn’t watch The Fighter and think Mark Wahlberg was must be an amazig fighter, nor do I watch… Bones, and think “Wow, EMily Deschanel, what an effing phenomenal forensic anthropologist”. I cae more about Natalie dancing, and think she should have gotten an Oscar for that. If the studio based it on her transforming herself in to a ballerina then that was wrong.. who is honestly going to believe that she did that? I respect that Natalie got (disgustingly?) skinny for the role.. I never expected to be an actual world-class ballerina.
Natalie won this Oscar because she was
amazing in the acting part, but if they
were overstating how much she danced,
I don’t blame the dancer.
And, Mouse, he wasn’t married. Spare me about blaming her because he asked her out. Most people date and are in relationships and move on or never fully commit because they aren’t the one. Until someone asks someone to be married and commits, that’s life.
i love natalie but she needs to go away for a minute. i am very burnt out by her perfect demeanor. we know she’s not perfect its time for her to step up to that.
Everybody who knows me also knows that I can’t stand Natalie Portman ***however***…. it’s time for Sarah Lane to stop dissing at Natalie. Natalie TOO has been studying her craft since when she was a little kid (anybody remembering Leon???) and that’s why she won the Oscar. The same “transformation” talk was touted about Hillary Swank, and – exactly like in Hillary’s case – it was a *physical* transformation, as she didn’t become a boxeur either yet her body was very lean and muscular.
Sarah Lane should stop dissing at actors, somewhat assuming that anybody having had her as a body double could have won an Oscar. Natalie did because Natalie is an impressive actress, period.
More power to the real ballerina!
All artists should get the credit they deserve.
‘Sniveling White Bread’ Portman shouldnt mislead others into thinking she has dancing talents that really belong to others!
I agree with Lianna 100%. Saying Natalie wouldn’t have gotten her Oscar without the studio portrayal of her “dancing” (which they really didn’t do, most if not all of the campaign publicity centered around her training for the role, not her dancing for the role, because despite not doing most of the dancing, she did do all her own training to look the part) is horseshit. People were calling her an Oscar fav before the whole campaign stuff started simply because of the role’s intense emotional nature. I get that she feels swept aside, but to act like we all don’t know it’s smoke and mirrors IS the point. If people believed Natalie did the dancing then I could see the reason for her continued public campaign against the studios. But that’s not the case. Even if the studios tried to make it seem like Sarah Lane never existed, which they didn’t, then ok I get it. But this really is underestimating the public. No one believed Portman did the dancing, and guess what? No one, except Sarah Lane, cares, which I think is the only thing that matters. She’s arguing that the perception is Natalie danced her little heart out and became professional level good, and therefore is disrespectful to her craft. But that’s not the perception. Even if you were dazzled by movie magic, no one with half a brain can sit here and tell me they actually thought Natalie became THAT good in a year and a half.
EXACTLY #38!!!!
And no, it doesn’t matter if the studios “tried,” no one bought it or believe it and that DOES matter.
Historically, stunt or body doubles have not gotten much credit in movies but I think we may see that change after Black Swan. I believe that they are talented people and although they are not actors, they do deserve recognition for their talent and hard work.
I still think that if Natalie and Aronofsky had not tried to push this off as Natalie as a ballet prodigy in order to get her that Oscar, this would never have turned into the fiasco that it has become. Maybe she would not have won but she also would not be facing this scrutiny. Yes, I know that Natalie mentioned Sarah on occasion but the real class act would have been to thank her at the Oscars. Everyone knows that and stop saying she “forgot”. She did not.
Personally, I don’t like Natalie Portman (in case you can’t tell). She strikes me as very arrogant and judgmental. She defends Roman Polanski, a known child rapist. She is not a good actress, in my opinion. Also, I don’t even think she’s very attractive. In my eyes, you can add fraud to the list now as well.
Y’all crack me up.
“no one in the movie going public ever thought that NP became a real ballerina”
SURE THEY DID!
People as a whole,are not all that bright, folks. Your giving way too much credit. Most people probably never even thought about it. Or they thought she learned just enough to do what they saw on screen, not realizing just how grueling what they were seeing actually was.
It seems this dancer did most of the real work, and is not getting credit for it.
Most actresses have to hire body doubles, but body doubles should get recognized for what they do. Actresses are mostly just pretty girls, nothing more.
I agree that Natalie should have been more gracious.
I’m sure it sucks to be Sarah Lane, but seriously? If we’re going to give this girl more credit, then we need to start making sure we give stunt doubles more credit as well. My theory is that as a principal dancer, this girl is the creme de la creme of the New York dance scene and got her tutu in a bunch when she wasn’t treated with the same level of worship in Hollywood.
I still haven’t seen this movie. On the one hand, I think that most “action” movies employ body doubles who do not insist on being credited. So I don’t agree with Lane on this. On the other hand, most action movies do not pretend that the actor did her own stunts — like Jolie in Salt for example — unless the actor actually did her own stunts. There was indeed a campaign to make it look as if Natalie WAS the Black Swan. And from that POV, I fully agree with Lane’s insistence on being credited. It’s an issue of dance ethics.
As far as her name credit in the film, Sarah should have negotiated that when she signed the contract. That’s what all the actors and other crew members do. I know people who work as relative peons in the industry, but their names are in all the credits of the movies they work on. Heck, film credit is even in the catering contracts! This film started coming out at film festivals around August/September last year. That’s when she should have made a stink about her name credit for the film and DVD distribution. Why she’s doing it now is beyond me.
AMEN!!! I agree with your post! When Natalie finally spoke out she STILL didn’t acknowledge Sarah…good grief Natalie pull yourself away from that skeevy fiance and say a simple thank you! When I saw her say I’m not going to get into the nastiness is when I got upset. What nastiness? Giving credit to the real dancer? That’s giving in to the nastiness? Ugh!!
@jenn who said “uh…adrien brody didnt have any studio/oscar talk behind him about the psychotic dedication and excellence he displayed toward **performing himself** on piano as if he were a virtuoso, either.”
Stop making up BS. The studio was doing the same shit they did for Natalie. They focused on his dedication, his practicing, etc. That’s how he won the Oscar. He was almost a complete unknown before that movie.
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“Brody’s dedication and immersion into the role is impassible. The first thing he had to learn how to do is learn how to play the piano. “Yeah, I did have a basic knowledge of piano. I’ve studied off-and-on for years, but I’m definitely not a concert pianist. I had six weeks to learn how to play the [main] pieces,” Brody said. Of course, it didn’t end there. Greater preparation was required in order to master the role.
Brody spent most of his time in isolation or was accompanied by his piano teacher. One of the difficulties for Brody was reading the music sheets. His own approach was more satisfying for him. “I don’t read music very well. I learned on memory. It took constant practicing.”
@Lucy2: bless you! Swan’s not my sort of film, but liked Natalie P in V for Vendetta, am amused by silly feuds, & was dying to know if the double made the credits. So she DID, eh? Chick got her paycheck & acknowledgment??… geez; what IS her damage?
Will grant 2 points, tho:
1] Sure: Ballet’s a painstaking, brutal, even crippling art-form & deserves some notice from the masses.
2] ergo, would have been a sweet & gracious move on the part of Natalie P to thank the whingey little egomaniac who allowed her to look like the Real Thing on film.
But re #2, puhleeze. Let’s see: Portman’s carrying her 1st baby; being an actor, she’s probably the center of the universe…& c’mon—how often did she encounter Ms Lane in person, on-set?
Sure, after Lane’s initial public whingefest, a truly sharp PR person might have had Portman say something nice & express deep admiration for real ballet artistes… but IMO this would have flattened almost instantly were it not for a dearth of cool gossip news.
Am just grateful that the Celeb|itches & Michael K can wield their mad skillz to make even the flimsiest items interesting, debatable, funny, etc….
Tho I can’t drop a nagging, uncharitable wish that someone who’s not Charlie Sheen would do SOMETHING outlandish 😉
Big deal? There are so many body doubles in films and stunt people, they don’t get credit either.
I don’t get nastiness relating to Natalie Portman.
This film is not primarily about dancing per se. It’s not A Chorus Line for god’s sake.
For those of you who are still bitching about it, you would not have bothered to see the film if it had Sarah Lane as the lead star.
The reality is that this film needs an a-list star, like Portman, to reach a wider audience.
I agree, if Natalie just came out and acknowledged that dancer, and perhaps said how talented and impressive the girl was, that would have made Natalie look both classy and full of humility. Instead she said she’s not gonna join in the nastiness, or something to that extend. Classless…some things even Harvard won’t teach you.
@Katija- I don’t think stunt doubles need more credit as they are credited as what they are — stuntman or woman which implies a physical skill set that is impressive in its own right- ability to do *stunts*. Aka various action scenes, falls, leaps, etc. It’s no skin off most actors’ backs to have a stuntman or stuntwoman jump from a moving train for them. That is not considered “artistic”, it’s a stunt. This issue is about Hollywood people not wanting to give credit to other artists.
Sarah Lane didn’t do any stunts because she isn’t a stuntwoman. She’s a dancer. She danced. And if they’d needed a stunt woman they would’ve gotten one. They needed a dancer, and got one, but didn’t want to give her the respect of calling her a dancer in the credits.
I really liked Black Swan. I’ve never had any real interest in dancing of any kind. I have no experience dancing and have no idea what the real life and training of ballerina are like so I have no idea what it takes to be one. Most people who are not dancers and don’t know dancers would be in the same boat. If you don’t know anything about ballet, the I don’t think you are an idiot for being convinced by the cgi and marketing campaign that Portman was doing most of the dancing. It might seem possible, if you don’t really know much about ballet, that this actress could have done alot of her own dancing with a year and a half of intense training.
Hollyweird is all about smoke and mirrors and has been from day one. I believe Sarah Lane and I also believe no one else connected to the film will ever admit she is right, especially the producer, director and Natalie. They would rather lie their way through it then admit the truth.
I can’t get over the Centipede’s outfit. That hood? He looks like a total dork!
Natalie’s coat is cute – I love toggles. But have to wonder, what does she see in that dorky dude?
How much more dignified would it have been to acknowledge the ballerina’s beautiful contribution to this movie?
It’s done all the time, with benefit on all sides.Hiring an accomplished artist adds luster to a project. This was – and continues to be – badly and arrogantly played by the studio and filmmakers.
Respect for Sarah for her performance and for standing up for herself.
“Pose. Turn. Pose. Blue Steel. Clench.”
OMG, I love it!
Honestly, I don’t think anyone thought that Natalie “became a professional ballerina in a year in a half”. No. But they thought she did a fairly good job of training herself for that role and being competent in that role.
I was on chickie-poo’s side at first, thinking she at least deserved a little nod, but now I just think she’s a bigger fame-whore than Ben.
A lot of ballerinas are notoriously egocentric and vain – no surprise she’s bitching up a storm now for not getting what she thinks is sufficient credit. I suspect her biggest problem though is she’s jealous of Natalie’s success period, not just her success in this one movie. Plus… and I hate to say it – am I the only one who wasn’t all that impressed with the dancing in Black Swan??? It looked stiff and awkward and pretty mechanical at times. I found myself wondering throughout the movie if it was actually Natalie dancing because it had an amateurish quality to it. So if that’s what she wants credit for… sure.
I believe Natalie became as good a dancer as is humanly possible in a year and a half, since she seems like the kind of person who is a little bit good at everything. But nobody would ever believe that she would become prima ballerina good. That’s just crazy. But I do believe that after her Roman Polanski remarks, she totally has this taint coming to her. The body double aka Sarah Lane, signed her contract and cashed her paycheque, but I thank her heartily for raining on Nat’s parade.
@Mshuffleupagus: ITA.
No actor/director would go to an interview to promote their movie and say, oh wow my double was amazing at her art! And in a movie that revolves around the emotional turmoil of a dancer rather than the beauty of ballet, I think Lane was accredited accordingly.
I guess since she’s a household name in the dance industry, she’s not used to being shied away from the limelight. Basically the whole thing is a battle of egos. Doubles wanting to get name-dropped and directors wanting to play down the double’s involvement.
I am totally on lane’s side. It is very insulting to suggest what she has worked 22 yrs for canbe accomplished in 1.5 yrs. How was she credited? As an extra or some crap? Slap in the face.
After all the Oscar hype, why would I think she had someone else doing her dancing? I didn’t pay attention to the movie before the buzz so saying she did 80% of the dancing makes me believe that that was Natalie doing her own dancing excepting days she wasn’t feeling well or hurt herself or something.
I freely admit being one of the “idiots” who would never have known it was not Natalie. I know nearly nothing about ballet. It looks beautiful and graceful. That’s it.
So, good on Sarah for sticking up for herself and other dancers who may be used for movies. I’ve seen credits that list “So-and-so’s body double… BLah Blah”. Why didn’t they do that for Sarah instead of listing her with the other dancers?
Natalie was so enamored of the art in the film. Why wouldn’t she thank the woman who made it possible for her to look so damn good for the Oscar win? She’s obviously an ungrateful, selfish, pretentious bitch and I, for one, will never pay to see another of her movies.
ITA with Jennifer#90
Natalie seemed to thank pretty much everyone she could think of in her Oscar speech, yet left out the dancer that performed the Black Swan dance at the end of the movie -which was one of the most affecting parts of the entire film. I think Sarah Lane is right to be hurt that her work isn’t being recognized. Good for her for not backing down.
Film buffs – check out the ballet drama “The Red Shoes”. Anyone think that Moira Shearer did or did not use a body double? No controversy is necessary regarding the Black Swan body double dancer. She should take the payment that she was guaranteed per whatever contract she signed, and remain silent. Her professional career may be jeopardized by her publicity seeking behavior.
Natalie Portman won the oscar for
her acting in the Black Swan, not for
the dancing! So Sarah did the dancing,
big deal, what does she want? She
knew what she was getting into by
signing up. Look at the movie,
Flashdance, it was a classic, and who
cares the main character didn’t do the
dancing…
I say to Sarah, keep twirling, maybe
you’ll get your own movie someday..
I love Natalie.
It might also be a gender issue. Women generally get so little validation that we may feel that we must insist on getting credit when we can. Male stunt doubles never seem to feel that they have to tell the world that they subbed for Matt Damon in the Bourne movies, for example.
But the same thing happened to Jennifer Beals in the Flashdance movie and almost destroyed her career. So maybe this has more to do with the female dancer’s need for validation.
The whole dance world, Natalie and her dance shot counting director all pretended or believed she became The Dance for this role. They had young ballerinas in training believing Portman learned The Dance in her off time between gigs. I saw them online constantly, so that is true. The lie sold tickets and stole awards.
What a charade. And it is disrespectful to a whole craft. Next time Meryl’s up for an Oscar I hope she wins. That woman learns languages, learned to play concert violin for a role, and actually can act.
Instant virtuosity is what Arronovsky, Portman and Ballet K Fed faked the world on. Sham Oscar.
I think it´s great that she is not backing down. During promotion of Black Swan a major selling point of the movie was “come see what a flawless dancer Natalie became in this short time!!!1111!!!”, they lied. A lot of people were aware of it while it was happening, and lot of people were not. It´s insulting to ballerinas everywhere to let people assume that Natalie Portman was able to become a perfect dancer 1 year or so.
Saw the movie, beautiful dancing. No way did I think NP did it. Close ups, exercise, sure it’s her. The real dancing stuff -no! Call out- bad marketing! Ballet dancers know!!!
Girl you know it’s true, ooh, ooh, ooh…
Good for Sarah Lane for claiming credit for a remarkable job even if she’s called “nasty” by tons of people. I don’t care what her contract says or what other body doubles have gotten in the past. It’s her talent on screen and IMO she has every right to stand up and say “Hey, thats me!”
No one sided against the real Milli Vanilli singers when they blew the whistle. I think this can only help Lane’s career.
The unfortunate (yet talented) stand-in dancer and the other people who exposed Natalies deception will probably never find decent work in Hollywood again. And we all know why……
I am even more shocked they permitted the deception to be put on mainstream news.
You do not cross the media oligarchy.
@quincette (45), thanks for posting the link to that Black Swan VFX reel.
That head replacement thing is key. They sure were careful not to mention that during the Oscar campaign!
It’s all very well and good to argue now that Portman would have won her Oscar anyway. The fact is they campaigned on half-truths at best, so now we’ll never know, and her win will likely go down in Academy Awards history as something of a con job.
If you haven’t seen it, rent/buy ‘The Turning Point’ with Shirley MacLaine, Anne Bancroft and Mikhail Baryshnikov, a wonderful ballet film. Or, ‘All That Jazz’ — a dancer meltdown movie without twit melodrama or ott direction (with real dancers dancing/acting, and tailoring the lead part to suit what Roy Scheider could achieve in the way of dance).
@Mia Girl, you are totally right.
She was hired as a ballet double, so what is her big deal? Of course we all know that the dancing from afar shots were mostly not Natalie, but then again, there were less of those than I expected.
The most impressive part of the movie is Natalie’s facial expressions and intensity with which she portrayed the role, not the dancing.
The woman is really getting annoying with her attention seeking. If she wants her dancing to be recognized, she should go perform in a ballet performance, not in a movie.
I find it odd how Sarah Lane seems to expect this movie to validate her 22 years of training as a ballerina. She did a job, the amount of credit she receives in this film isn’t going to be proportional to her many years of experience in her field, rather to her part in making the whole thing come together, the movie as a whole. There could have been any number of dancers that would have done her part, so in short, she just sounds egocentric and petty.
If it was singing in a musical, not dancing, and the actress had a professional singer synchronize all the singing parts in the movie (like My Fair Lady for example), then the actress would no way get all the credit for doing the entire job on her own and no Oscar would be given to an actress in a musical who did not do her own singing. I see a similarity with this story here. Wow, I didn’t even know they could do that with the superimposing of the face of Portman onto the dancer – radical. this changes everything really. You cannot compare Natalie Portman’s physical performance in Black Swan with the likes of Daniel Day in My Left Foot.
Ms Portman didn’t earn her oscar the studio bought it. the double is a fame whore that’s all this is not everybody uses doubles in movies for example the nude bed scenes in Rachel Rachel aren’t doubled the stars are actually on camera nude under a white cotton bed sheet and both of them were pushing 40 when it was filmed plus the actresses had been pregnant 4 times in the preccedding decade miscarried once had three daughters and nursed each for 18 months plus won an oscar previously and wa oscar nominated again for her masterful work in this a movie the studio didn’t want to make nor cast her in. Natalie is never going to have a career as long and Varried as Ms Woodwards was going from playing an Orphan Girl in Van Heflin’s 1955 movie Count Three & Pray to playing the mother of a dying aids patient in Philadelphia never mind television stage and Charity work including AmFar [the American foundation for Aids Research the pet cause of her dear friend Elizabeth Taylor who is the only star ever nominated for 4 consecutive acting oscars.}
It’s telling that someone from Entertainment Weekly was willing to give an public input because he talks to people in the Academy who actually voted for Natalie. If they feel betrayed Natalie and Aronofsky have probably done a lot to smear their rep within the industry which matters more then public opinion.
I don’t get it!
You agree to a job, you sign a contract, you do the job and walk away. – What’s so hard about that?
I think Ms. Lane will now find out that even the Ballet companies won’t trust her or anything she signs, so she’s actually doing herself more harm in her search for fame.
I personally have no intentions of sitting through a movie credit with stunt person, assistant stunt person, stunt person makeup, stunt person bagel carrier, stunt person pickup driver.
Lane just won me over here–she was eloquent, articulate, and made very good points in a persuasive manner.
Unfortunately it appears that some Academy voters do feel misled at the amount and quality of dancing Ms Portman did for the movie. So maybe they did believe a little too naively. As far as Oscars are concerned perception is as important.
Ms Lane didn’t start this, the movie’s producers did. She’s being gracious in saying Natalie still deserved the acting award. Bening and Kidman gave superb acting performances but Portman had the added bonus of “look what I did physically to myself for the role”. And that’s exactly what the producers campaigned on.
Hillary Swank was bitched about when she got the Million Dollar Baby Oscar, we did bitch about Julia Roberts when she omitted to thank Erin Brockovich. It’s not just Portman hate. She may be a fine actress but she has proven herself to be just as delusional and self-serving when it comes to acknowledging those who assisted her.
SHE THANKS HER HAIR AND MAKEUP PEOPLE BUT NOT HER DANCE DOUBLE?????? No not everyone thanks their doubles but they don’t thank their hair and makeup people either.
Ms Lane deserves credit both for her dancing and in essence telling the Hollywood heavies to stick it.
Really? Who cares? This is showing my age but there was a similar move by Jennifer beals dancing double in flashdance…anybody remember her name or what else she did? 15 seconds of fame…you’re a dancer that’s hired to be a double…get over it…
@FizXGirl314 – I think she was promised credit, then was taken aback at how little she receieved (& Natalie’s suddenly taking said credit for herself), then Millipede opening his big trap, which is why she spoke up all the sudden. It was really insulting to be completely disregarded (when I’m sure she worked her ASS off.
There are a lot of people who know nothing about ballet, or how long & difficult it is to become that skilled. That doesn’t mean they’re idiots, just ignorant on the subject.
@Mshuffleupagus – “I’m honestly surprised at so many people here who are willing to tell someone who worked hard and then most of the recognition was given to someone else to get over it and shut up. Haven’t we all be in that situation? I would like to think that most of us appreciate the little guy in this scenario.”
That’s exactly how I feel. Millipede just stirred the pot by having to say something giving more credit to Natalie (Probably to give her an advantage with the Oscars), & she lied by ommision, never admitting or giving credit to the dancers who worked so hard to make the scenes possible, even having been asked about how hard she worked preparing to dance, over & over. She did work hard I’m sure, but as someone else mentioned, it took her 22 years to get that good. Insinuating Natalie accomplished anything even close to that, is a huge insult.
She did work damned hard. I’m not insinuating that her name should be up next to Natalie’s, just that she gets the credit for the performances she deserves. I can’t believe how many here are telling her to STFU. She has every right to argue the point, especially as it effects her career, & possibly future opportunity. I don’t think it’s over money at all.
Of course everyone knows that Natalie couldn’t prepare for a ballerina dancing level in 1 or 2 years. But then again, why is she still trying to convince everyone that she did almost all the dancing scenes in the movie???
Couldn’t she just say: I did all the acting scenes and the dancer did the dancing scenes. If her acting scenes were good enough for the Oscar she wouldn’t have to claim she did all the dancing!!! Shouldn’t be the acting enough for her?
Why is she so pissed about the real dancer saying what she really did in the movie? Jealous or what?
Some of you say: Hollywood stunt men don’t do interviews and tell everyone what they did. But it’s different because action movie actors do give credit to their stunt men and appreciate their work!
You don’t see action stars bragging about doing all the dangerous scenes unless it’s true! And if some actor did it, his stunt men would be pissed too! It’s a hard job, they put their health at risk and now someone claims he did all the scenes? That would be unfair!
And one more thing. Stunt men and body doubles do not get paid for being silent or shutting their mouth up, they get paid for what they do in a movie! And they have every right to talk about it and put the work they did in their portfolios. Natalie is criticized because she doesn’t give credit where the credit is due!
I remember reading somewhere that Keanu Reeves gave some additional part of his salary for Matrix to his stunt men and bought them motorcycles as a gift for their effort. You never heard him saying that he did all of the stunt scenes himself. That’s how it should be. Everyone’s work matters because there would be no Hollywood without the stunt men and body doubles.
Where was the outrage when it was discovered that Adrien Brody didn’t do all his piano playing for the movie that won him an Oscar? That guy NEVER mentioned his double, and the over-dubbing.
@ Kira:
I have to disagree with you here. The close-ups of the pianist’s hands weren’t that relevant in Brody’s case because the movie (The Pianist) was more about Wladyslaw Szpilman’s struggle to survive (in hiding) during World War II than about how great as a pianist he was.
In Portman’s case, her character is supposed to be a fantastic dancer, but fragile and not so sure of her talent — either because she’s a way too perfectionist or because of her bitter mother (who somehow blames her for not having being herself a prima ballerina). She’s mentally “unstable” and the fact she’s chosen to be the prima ballerina “catalizes” her craziness. The excruciating training and the extreme competition among the dancers is what triggers her complete mental breakdown, so the dance scenes (during rehersals or concerts) are fundamental for Black Swan’s plot. Part of her acting (facewise) happens exactly during these dance scenes.
But we can agree to disagree if you think it’s about the same thing for both movies and their respective leading roles.
However, Brody wouldn’t need to publicly aknowledge his double’s work (I can honestly say I don’t know how his Oscar campaign worked) because while we’re watching the ending credits — that start while Brody’s is still on screen — we can see every single one of the real pianists’s names and precisely what each one of them did. They’re not described as “hands” or “stunt” doubles. They’re artists credited for exactly what they did (playing the actual piano solos) — Lane wasn’t credited the way she should have and we know why. I even checked Black Swan’s IMDb page and all I could see was “Lady in the Lane”.
If she (Lane) wasn’t that important (or the dance scenes for that matter) why not having Portman doing everything then? I mean, I think that a good editing work and a double made entirely out of CGI (like the creatures in fantasy films) would have done the trick. And if Aronofsky sustains that Portman indeed did 80 % of the dance scenes after only 1 and half years of training, why didn’t they give her six more months so she could play the remaining 20 %?
Why is this getting any media attention. It’s a movie, no one seriously thought Portman became a ballerina. That’s why it’s called ACTING. No one believes Demi Moore really became a Navy Seal in GI Jane. This dancer needs to shut it and move on.
To “Shut It Lane”:
But why do you think she should shut up and not tell about her work? Do you really think that stunt men and body doubles are being paid only to remain silent? She did something in a movie and has every right to advertise her work and talk about it. Just because we don’t see her face, doesn’t mean she didn’t have a part in the movie.
I don’t think that the contracts stunts and body doubles sign forbid them to talk about their work. Action movie stars have their portfolios where you can see what jobs exactly they did and no one says th them “Hush, don’t talk about it because we want people believe that Brad Pitt or somebody else did all the dangerous scenes”.
And, of course, the actors don’t mention the stunt men in every interview but if someone asked them: “was it all your work?” they would admit that they did the acting but the stunts are someone else’s job.
When I was watching the movie I didn’t really care who was doing the dancing. Evertything was blended together really well so there weren’t any of those moments where something looks off and takes you out of the movie. Sarah Lane should have been credited properly. It is shady and lame to do otherwise. This whole controversy would have been avoided if the film makers had embraced their use of and an actual dancer and technology. It’s certainly nothing to be ashamed of.
In the case of Adrien Brody no one ever claimed that he was the real pianist behind the MUSIC we hear in the movie.
He trained for the role for several weeks so that he could be able to MIMIC the work of a real pianist and be believable but he didn’t play the piano himself and never claimed that he did.
Natalie trained for her movie so that she would be believable as a dancer (and for that should be respected) but she should not claim that she did almost all of the dancing! That’s ridiculous! Just because your face is digitally inserted into body of a ballerina doesn’t mean it’s you!
@Eve. While I agree to some extent, I do recall that Brody’s Oscar campaign was about his dedication. I remember reading stuff about his “mastering the piano,” his practicing, dedication, etc. Why else would he win? And, he only did some 6 weeks of traning. He didn’t even learn how to read music. It’s not hard to do that–even I can do it.
Compared to Brody, Natalie did so much more. You can tell that she trained hard. Even to get to look like a ballet dancer (where you can fool people) is pretty hard. My friend is an ex-ballerina and she let me know that Natalie had to put in some work to get some of the movements. Never mind the fact that she had to play two different character types, and become unhinged. From my perspective, she did a lot more than people are giving her credit for. And, she did mention the two doubles in two interviews. I don’t see why people are going after her with pitch forks. It seems like people want to tear her down and it feels mean-spirited. That’s just my take.
As for the producers and the director, I think they definitely deserve the criticism for not giving Lane her credit and telling her to be quiet, etc. That’s pretty awful, but actually pretty standard, in Hollywood. They picked uping their chances to win an Oscar over honesty. It’s business over ethnics per usual. I think Natalie would have still won the Oscar even if the producers and director had given the double her due. But we’ll never know . . .
@Sassy#103
Moira Shearer was a bona fide ballet dancer before The Red Shoes and continued to be a ballet dancer afterwards. What is your point?
Dancers and singers have to train for years to be able to do what they do.
Actresses just have to look pretty and be thin. That’s all.
I have more respect for real artists.
once again, the girl signed a contract for a specific job, she did the job, she got paid, now it’s time to stop talking and get back to her art.
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I agree completely. She was paid for her work and needs to move on. Did she want to star in the movie? I don’t get it. Are we now going to have stunt men doing press for every movie? This whole story is annoying and this girl needs to go away.
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April 16th, 2011 at 2:36 pm
Are we now going to have stunt men doing press for every movie? This whole story is annoying and this girl needs to go away.
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I’d rather read an interview with a stunt man than another one by Paris Hilton. I’m glad the REAL dancer of this movie told us about her work in the movie. Why not? At least she’s talking about what she did and not taking credit for someone else’s work.
This Lane girl is awful! Did she expected an Oscar for her dance moves or what? Oscar is for actors, not dancers.
And I am also in the team “Why does celebitchy hate Natalie so much”. I really liked your webpage, but not so much anymore
I don’t even like Portman – but at this point Lane is being really, really fucking annoying.
We get it. Natalie isn’t nearly as accomplished as a dancer as you. STFU already. No one cares.
. . . And fuck you more for making me side with Portman.
ETA: I’m also done with grown women talking in little demure baby voices. I don’t care if it’s conscious or not – speak like an adult.
btw, dailymail.co.uk has an article about the body double for portman from her new movie, your highness. it was the body double who actually dived into that cold lake in belfast, because portman didnt want to.
i dont know why ppl involved in the black swan movie just dont give credit where credit is due to her stand-in dancers.
it kinda reminds me of the movie ‘flashdance’ where some involved were trying to keep it a secret that the actress had used a dancing double.
just seems weird. it is just like an ego thing when actors would say ‘i did all the dangerous stunts all by myself. i dont need a stunt man.’
Did she get credit at the end of the movie? The letters were so small and I got tired of rewinding it to try to find it.
NP is not an amazing actress; she’s just OK.
It WAS the full promotional package of her dancing and acting …and the unusual script/storyline … that allowed her to garner so much attention.
A clear case of plagiarism or acting dishonesty. The dancer didn’t have anything to say until Natalie’s fiance opened his big mouth about 80%. People who are accused of plagiarism have to give back the proceeds of their book and are sued. Maybe actor girl natalie should think about that Oscar she won.
I don’t like Natalie any more. She’s had ample chance to acknowledge Sarah’s contribution to the film and her award and it seems SHE’s the one who’s protecting her image.
I was trained in ballet for 11 years and know first hand how difficult it is. I loved it passionately and still get goosebumps when watching a gifted dancer perform. It’s HARD!- much harder than anyone who hasn’t trained in it could imagine.
The reason the public believes Portman could have performed the whole thing herself is because the very essence of ballet is to make the whole performance appear effortless!!
It looks impossibly hard to me, Joan. I don’t know how you do it. My friend who was a dancer showed me the dried blood in her toe shoes, and I couldn’t believe how strong she was, to continually inflict that on herself.
I disagree with so many of the comments, so I’ll just speak generally. I’m not saying that Natalie wouldn’t have been nominated for the oscar *anyway*, but you can’t tell me the illusion of her ‘dancing dedication’ didn’t have any effect on that. I don’t know anything about ballet, before this, I could’ve assumed Natalie really *did* the moves, but I’m certainly not an idiot.
If I, or anyone else here, worked very hard at something, (& be swipt under the rug) only to see someone else step forward to accept credit? We’d be PISSED, & wouldn’t just ”shut up’ about it.
What on EARTH are these entertainers getting paid for, if they aren’t doing SOMETHING other than posing? Why is Portman or any other entertainer paid such lavish sums all the time? If you don’t mind my saying, why not pay the stunt doubles the millions?
the fact that natalie portman didnt even thank or recognize the woman who was dancing for her in the film speaks to the truth….she was trying to cover it up and take all the credit. therefore making her a phony selfish b. i am disgusted!
This wouldn’t have been such a big deal if NP and the movie studio would have been honest about Sarah’s in depth involvement in the film from the beginning. Everyone would respect NP a bit more if credit would have been given where credit is due. What would be wrong with admiting the truth? There is NO WAY Sarah did only 5% of the dancing. As a former ballerina all through grade school and high school- I must say that it’s difficult ( I was not that good). It takes a true athlete with natural grace to be an exceptional dancer. No way NP danced 95% of the sequences. Close up facials with arm flapping doesn’t count!! If the Oscar truly was based on just the acting, then she probably would have won the Oscar regardless, right? It’s just so morally wrong to take the 95% credit when its obvious that it’s not the case. I’m glad Sarah Lane spoke out. Again, if NP would have just make a statement acknowledging the truth from the beginning- this nightmare would not be happening to her. But I guess since her boyfriend and the studio stepped in with their exaggerated lies, its too late for NP to speak the truth now. And at this point- her Oscar win would lose it’s worth in the eyes of many if she admitted the truth. Sad that her Oscar win has already been tainted with this controversy that could have never happened.
I agree with Kaiser. I think if Natalie Portman was as fabulous as everyone insists she is, she would have been more gracious about her dance double. Nothing is more gross to me than the idea of trying to take *any portion* of the credit for the results of someone else’s lifetime of backbreaking work and dedication.
I don’t even think there should be a “campaigning” for the Oscars, but I guess it’s inevitable.
@mia girl #2: ITAWY.
Over this, enough already.
The funniest part of all the idiots buying into Sarah Lane’s tantrums?
She was one of THREE dancers used as doubles for NP. And she was only there for 2 weeks while Kimberely Prosa was there for about 6 weeks.
For the record, Prosa says Lane is exaggerating.
Also for the record, long before Lane opened her trap Portman credited her – as well as the other two – in her interviews.
Portman worked for a year to look the part and do as much of the dancing as she *could*. Prosa, Lane, and the other girl did the en pointe stuff, except for one scene which was in fact the longest en pointe scene in the entire movie and Portman did that herself.
The girl received a walk-on role she did not have to audition for, and was credited twice.
She was asked not to give tons of interviews during the buildup to the awards shows because they didn’t want attention taken away from Portman’s contributions. This happened with the designers. Most costume designers shop around to find the clothing for their films; when they can’t locate what they want then they have it made. The director had a particular vision for the ballet costumes and the designer couldn’t find them so she asked Rodarte to make them. Rodarte got pissed that the nomination for the Black Swan designs would go to the official costume designer and that they woudn’t be nominated because they are not used to functioning as a team. Every designer of every single shirt and shoe in that movie does not get a credit because they aren’t the ones to pull together the entire outfits, alter them, coordinate them, run the costume department, etc. Rodarte didn’t get that their function within the film was no different than that of the designer of the pink scarf Portman wore in the film. So: drama. And that cost nominations because Rodarte claimed their work was being stolen even though they didn’t even come up with the design for the ballet costumes. The studio tried to avoid that with the dancing as well.
As for the ballet being so terribly important and so Lane should get whatever the hell people think a stunt double should get: the dancing doesn’t even account for ten minutes of the film. And the movie was originally written as being about acting, but I think it was decided that the premise sounded too much like All About Eve. Eventually they changed it to ballet, and this film was originally considered as half of a much bigger film – the other half of which was The Wrestler. It was suggested to DA that that might be too weird so the script was broken down into two with the studios deciding that The Wrestler had more mainstream appeal.
Black Swan is not about ballet, just like The Wrestler is not about wrestling. You aren’t very intelligent if you think otherwise. All About Eve isn’t about acting, either. No dancing clips were used as award clips; this was considered Portman’s best performance as an actress and the reviews all listed specific non-dancing scenes as her best.
Sarah Lane doesn’t being credited as a stunt double, even though that’s exactly what she signed on to do. She doesn’t like it being said that she did a percentage of the dancing, even though there were three stunt doubles, and even though Portman did do *some* of the dancing. She doesn’t like the upper body shots being considered dance shots even though ballet dancers spend years learning how to hold their arms, how to hold their torsos, etc. She doesn’t like that she didn’t get more than: mentioned in Portman’s interviews, given a walk-on role so that her face would be visible in the film (a courtesy not often extended to stunt doubles), credited twice for her work, paid nicely for her work. She also didn’t like that she was asked to give interviews after the very cut-throat awards season, rather than being asked not to give any at all.
Lane’s used to being the center of attention, like Rodarte. That’s unfortunate but it was her choice. She knew the terms before she signed on, they were listed in her contract.
She says she doesn’t want attention, she says she’s not trying to diss Natalie Portman, that she’s only requesting that credit be given BUT: credit has been given. For months. Even DA and BM have given her credit. The problem is that Lane only considers her contributions dancing, and unfortunately her en pointe and fouette shots only account for a small percentage of the dancing scenes. The percentages given are accurate.
And frankly, the ballet world does look drama queeny. When the movie was first released Portman was criticized for her *stiff* dancing, told not to quit her day job. Then once Lane started all of this, the ballet world attacked Portman for trying to take credit for Lane’s *beautiful* dancing.
Portman fulfilled her obligations to the film, and has claimed to have done all that it is known she did. It’s a pity Lane can’t say the same.
This is simple…….and it stays simple.
Natalie Portman is a LIAR. And so are the people that PR’ed her.
She is forever discredited in my book no matter how much her team paints her as a hardworking princess.
She is now a simple, advantageous user of other peoples talents.
And her acting is mediocre. Always has been,
Reminds me of Jerry Sienfelds wife. But no matter to her…..she made her millions.
This is ridiculous. Any sympathy that I would have had for Lane has gone out the window. STFU. You signed, you danced, you got paid. Your only job was to help in the illusion of the movie. Please, for the love, go the hell away. For all of you who are praising her for her “ballsiness” in standing up for herself? Ahem…she was told to STFU during the oscar campaign, and she stayed quiet. It’s only now that she’s finished and her check has cleared that her goal and fierce ambition is to bring everyone in the production down. I understand that not everyone will realize that Portman wasn’t an accomplished prima ballerina (though I feel sorry for the schmucks that did. wow), but for hell’s sake. I NEVER watch a movie and believe that the actor is an accomplished fighter, cook, assassin, etc. And EVERY actor or actress that wants an oscar will focus on their acting. It’s ridiculous to expect that they spend all sorts of interview and screen time talking about the doubles that made it all possible. If we’re supposed to recognize a body or stunt double from the actor, it would take away from the movie and from the illusion of it. Any talk about Natalie Portman’s dedication to the role of dancer read, at least to me, like praise to the dedication it took for her to transform herself. And transform she certainly did. Her job as an actress is to make us believe and forget that she’s Natalie Portman, for crying out loud. And she did her job well. I want to watch a movie to believe in the story of the movie. I don’t watch them so I can count the dimples and moles on someone’s body to be sure I can spot a double from the actor. What would be the point? And I hope that most of you wouldn’t be doing that either. Do you not understand that it’s a movie? It’s all a lie and a facade? That there are thousands of people at work behind the making of it? Yes, the actors get credit, fame, worship and stalkers. They’re the beautiful faces of the whole thing. The poster people. It’s their acting, as well as the director’s directing, the costume design, the writers and the cinematographer that get the notoriety and the awards. It is, afterall, their idea, their vision and their direction that the whole group is pursuing. Everyone else is working behind them to see those goals accomplished. For example, when I put on a show of photographs, it’s ME who conceived the idea, took the shot, and envisioned the display. If I spent all my time thanking someone who helped me develop the film or set up the display under my direction, then the focus for my work is gone. It’s not egotistical to give thanks and credit to those who helped you, but to be able to talk mostly about your work. And as far as I’m concerned, Portman gave credit to the girl and thanked her. She hasn’t done 50 interviews where she thanks her, and she didn’t cry and gush over her during her oscar speech. And when she’s asked about the movie, heaven forbid she talk about herself and the role of her lifetime rather than bow and kiss the butt of Lane over and over. One small thank-you and acknowledgement is PLENTY. Especially for someone who knew this going in to her stunt job all along.
Bottom line: this movie was about a dancer who psychologically unravels. This movie was about Natalie Portman and her performance. This was not a point by point illustration of Sarah Lane’s life as a dancer, for which she springs forth in every scene to remind us that “yeah, bitches. I’m a dancer”. If they wanted that, they would have hired Lane all on her own. Though at this point, I think it would be an epic nightmare to work with her. Dear Sarah: it’s f*cking transparent how much you’re willing to milk this, and while I felt sorry for you a little in the beginning, I think you an annoying twat now. You’re not a writer, you’re not a lecturer. And you’re not an actor. Put your money where your mouth is and go lace up your ballet shoes. For a person who has spent so much time talking about the relevance and importance of ballet, you’re spending a little too much time cracking away at hollywood and not enough time doing what it is you claim to love so much. If it were that important to you, you’d let this go and get back to it.
After all is said and repeated 10 times let me make the last point. Not the broad public that is on the Lane side is going to hire her after this story is forgotten. The backstage profis would. There is better known who did what and how and if/if not he/she was a profi. And this dancer discredited herself with her efforts to “explain” and so on. Noone is going to buy this cat in a sack even if she’s the last dancer availiable.
There are so many great comments on this particular thread! I love the conversation. Such a fantastic debate.
that milliped dude? Who dumped his piece for Natalie Portman in not the most honorable way? Sarah Lane knows the girl he dumped-they are close. If you don’t think NP’s new megamind bf simply overstepped TOO MANY boundaries and sarah lane finally decided to put him on blast, I don’t know what else to say. Not only did he dump her friend unceremoniously, she probably watched megamind and NP play footsie during shooting, then watched NP turn around and act like the effing Virgin Mary come compaign time. Then stupid megamind saying the Virgin Mary Portman did all the dancing? that’s when sarah said “oh hell no” and spoke up. And took some digs at NP at the same time. After finding out she’s friends with the dumpee, it made me like her more.
I’m looking forward to seeing Natalie in Thor this week. 🙂
@nina: finding out she’s friends with someone who was dumped by Millipied for Portman only makes it seem like she’s got further and more deeply-rooted need to keep this crucifixion going.
I wonder if NP didn’t win the oscar for her performance would this be a big deal to the body double….
Look in this case public opinion doesn’t even matter as much as who feels burned within the Academy. Natalie and specifically Aronofsky may have bitten themselves in the ass. If he’s pissed the wrong people off in the Academy with this he’ll have to wait a bloodly long time to win Best Director or Best Picture.
To reverse the logic for once: without Natalie Portman, Sarah Lane would never be hired. Because of Natalie’s body shape, they needed to hire someone looking like her from a long distance.
So Sarah Lane, the ballet stunt, should be thankful.
Talking about “lying”, unless you are three-year-old (and unfortunately not a bright one), every person knows the whole movie business is about “lying” — or, in other words, “convincing.”
I really think that Sarah Lane is now toast. I am not a big fan of Natalie Portman but I find Ms. Lane’s continued beating a dead horse over how much dancing she did and calling Ms. Portman, the choreographer and the film producer a LIAR, to be completely unprofessional. She signed a contract and was paid to do a job. The conditions of what she had to do were in the contract. If the film had been a flop we would not be hearing a peep out of Ms. Lane. I think she is an embarrassment to the ballet world as well. She claims to be standing up for the art form but if I were running a company I would be afraid to hire her after this. She may dance well enough, but she will go and stab her colleagues (Natalie Portman etc.) her choreographer and her producer/director in the back, even after she signed a contract to for the credit she receives. Whose to say if I put her in my ballet and afterwards she goes to the press to say negative things about me? Fortunately for her I don’t run a ballet company. But she has proven herself to be untrustworthy and unprofessional.
@Feebee “Unfortunately it appears that some Academy voters do feel misled at the amount and quality of dancing Ms Portman did for the movie.”
Where did you get this from? I haven’t heard this from any reputable news source so far.
@Newbie, I totally agree 100%
@ Nina- good point. The millpied exgirlfriend is loving this. If my boyfriend was stolen by NP I’d encourage my friend Sarah Lane to speak out as well ( a heartbroken woman doesn’t think clearly and may act selfishly without thinking this could not end well for Sarah Lane). so I agree this issue was also driven by the boyfriend-stealing that occured.
@luceroB- good point too.
As a business owner, I do think twice before hiring whiners. It may become hard for her to get another movie gig ever again. Sometimes doing what you think is the ethical thing can have consequences. However, the ballet world is tight knit. They may be on Sarah lane/millpied exgirlfriend’s side. So maybe shell still get jobs with ballet companies but movies, not so much.
Maybe if she is smart, she can start her own company.
@Sara – “Black Swan is not about ballet, just like The Wrestler is not about wrestling. You aren’t very intelligent if you think otherwise.”
The main character’s entire life revolves around Ballet, & the stress she feels competing with the others to be the best. The rest of the plot surrounds ballet in the story. True, It could have been written to accomodate sports or gymnastics, but it wasn’t. They chose ballet, so the character’s actions & feeling depends on ballet.
It’s not necessary to insult anyone’s intelligence, period. It’s immature & takes away from your argument.
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All of those who worked hard for the sake of this production should given credit for their work. Not just Lane, she’s just the only one who’s come forward. Millipede’s opinion doesn’t count at this point, given his relationship with NP (all throughout the movie).
I’m just glad I’m not the only one who has this opinion. It’s gotten big & messy, but there was tons of lying by ommission (or outright lying with percentages). I don’t mean she didn’t do a great job acting, I just think the audience was mislead a bit regarding her involvement in dancing.
@LuceroB- Yeah Sarah Lane’s career is toast, even though she’s getting lead roles in every ballet ABT puts on, every dancer’s dream. Overall, the ballet world loves Sarah Lane for standing up for ballet and dancers. People need to understand that dancers don’t need Hollywood to make their name or their career. Just like ABT can’t make or break Natalie Portman or any other actor. Different fields people.
All this drama and controversy surrounding the movie reminds me of the drama, competition and hatred there is in the REAL world of ballet. It’s kind of ironic.
You know how in some movies there is a disclaimer that it was based on a real story etc.
Well this affair showed that we need further clarifications. Every movie should start with “This is all fiction created for entertainment purposes only using actors and all kind of moviemaking tricks”.
Oh, and “NO ONE BECAME A REAL BALLERINA WHILE FILMING THIS MOVIE”.
May be after that people would stop blaming their own lazyness or ignorance or naivette or whatever that was that made them believe the thing they now claim is so outrageously ridiculous on moviemakers.
Though come to think of it it could have been the quality of the movie that is at fault after all. It was TOO believable.
The film sucked ass.
Y’all don’t care for Natalie Portman. I get it. She does seem kind of stuck up. But she’s one of my favorite actresses, both because I think she’s genuinely talented and I respect her decision to go to college and get an education. She’s smart and yeah, probably kind of snooty. But the incredibly negative commentary towards her on this site is making me reconsider remaining a reader, which I have been for years. It’s getting very tiresome to see Natalie Portman blasted all the time.
I don’t think Sarah Lane has been hunting out media attention. They’ve been hunting her out instead.
This whole thing started when Wendy Perron of Dance Magazine wrote a blog entry about the Black Swan blackout. See http://www.dancemagazine.com/blogs/wendy/3733. Then Millepied responded with his LA Times interview, and then Lane responded. And then comes the 20/20 story. With all the attention the story got, I just don’t believe that Lane pitched it to ABC.
Remember too that in an interview prior to the Oscars, Aronofsky said that the ballet world really wasn’t responsive when approached about this movie. Millepied was the exception. And he wants to go Hollywood.
Can people be so clueless that they might think Portman could have done the dancing herself? I think that’s believable. The reason Perron wrote her blog entry in the first place is that she heard rumors of people asking whether Portman would be performing Swan Lake on stage.
Millepied not only is engaged to Portman, but also wants a film career for himself. That’s why I think he’s willing to present the BS 85% figure (in the LA Times interview). But he knows it’s a lie. In the same article, this is what we see (p. 2, top of the page):
And would they ever think of collaborating again on a dance project? “No!” Millepied says, laughing. “I mean I think this was a phenomenal, unforgettable experience. But there are no plans to collaborate again in the future.”
In other words, forget what he said earlier, he’s not going to stake his professional dance reputation on performing publicly with her. He knows the truth. But he’s willing to say what he needs to to protect his Black Swan connections.
Why are so many people jumping to Portman’s and Aronofsky’s defense over this? Let’s give credit where credit is due? Lane was not treated right when she wasn’t credited accurately.
@161 (sorry can’t read name), I drew this from Jess (something) from Entertainment Weekly’s interview on 20/20. He had sources that indicated some Academy voters would not have voted for Ms Portman if they’d known about the dancing. (I’m assuming they mean the relatively small amount of actual dancing by Ms Portman).
@G
These are the opinions of people; whether you agree or not. You have no right to tell them what they can and cannot say. If it disturbs you, don’t read them. But celebitchy has always been a great place and will continue to be because of the comments.
To all those saying that it was obvious that NP didn’t do most of the dancing and people should have known that, that would be true if the people who WORKED on the movie didn’t keep insisting that SHE did.
That is what Lane is trying to bring to attention, that at the rate it was going, many 28 year old women would believe that scince NP did most of the work at that age, why can’t they be the next prima ballerina at that age too.
As a ballerina, Lane is simply stating IT CAN’T HAPPEN.
I’d be pretty pissed if I was Kimberly Prosa. Sarah Lane completely ran over HER contributions to the film.
And you people do know that the Academy members who vote on the actor awards are in fact actors. They are well aware of the subterfuge of film.
The next time I don’t get enough credit for a film I worked on, I’m going to the press and shout out “I held 85% of those damned coffee cups!”
@ kelly, oooooh maybe sarah lane is besties with the dancer gf benjamin left for natalie. dun dun dun.
Actually Hakura, you invalidated your own point. It could have been written about anything; it didn’t matter if the film was about a pianist, a painter, or an actress- it still would have been about a girl losing her mind. That’s basically it’s own subgenre, from All About Eve to Perfect Blue (the best of it’s kind).
If anyone wants to make the claim that Portman didn’t give credit, do more than just simply type it. Pull up all the interviews she did for the film and show that she never gave credit.
Otherwise, stop lying so you can feel superior. It’s lame.
I really would like to know what the Lane supporters have to say about Prosa. Seriously.
I think she just black-balled herself in the industry by going public on this. I never thought that that was Natalie dancing, and it doesn’t take away from the movie. At least in my opinion.
To me, beeing a double is like being a chorist. You stay behind and you let the star shines, because that’s simply what your job is asking you to do! And the fact that Sarah still won’t shut up makes me believe more and more that she only wants her 15 minutes of glory.
And to the people who thinks Natalie don’t deserves her Oscar if she didn’t dance, have you seen the movie? Her Oscar has nothing to do with dancing: her acting was simply AMAZING (and she’s NOT my favorite acress!). She totally transmits the anxiety that is growing inside her and if you can’t admit that, then I’m not sure you know what acting is about!!
I totally see where Lane is comming from for many reasons, but the main one is this:
Lane was listed as lady in the lane. WTF..seriously, and to add insult to injury, Mila Kunis came out to say that these REAL ballerina’s were just safety net in the movie.
OFCOURSE Lane would not allow this art that takes decades to perfect and she has worked so hard for her whole life to be turned into a dog and pony show where ANYONE can appear to become a dancing sensation after 1 1/2 years of training.
If you like to admit it or not, that is what NP’s people were trying to sell to the public, that she took to it like a duck to water and was at ballerina level, not just an actress playing a ballerina.
Honestly, I do not take seriously the continuing campaign about Natalie’s public image inflating the number of languages she can speak, inflating the prodigious intelligence that led her to Harvard on her own, inflating her acting skills… seriously, no one gets hurt
But try to public believes that she is a kind of dance’s prodigy at the expense of another person, I think it cross the line
I was a ballet dancer for 25 years (since 4 yrs old). The training, the hours and the money a person puts into the training is intense, not to mention the strain on the body and feet. You’d be surprised that there were girls who had danced as long as I did and put in as much time and effort, and still were horrible dancers. There is absolutely no way in HE double hockey sticks that Natalie became this good after only 1-1/2 yrs at her age. Lane’s is correct in this aspect and it’s infuriating that Natalie’s camp is minimalizing the struggles to actually become a professional ballet dancer. With that being said, Lane agreed to be Natalie’s dancer. Where I feel Lane is wrong, is I don’t think she’s doing this for ballet dancers everywhere, I think Natalie’s getting credit for her years of hard work and her ego is damaged. It’s ALL about her ego…but she knew this when she agreed. I do feel that the director and producers should have given more credit to Lane, as Natalie should…but I feel this is all about ego on Lane’s part.
@161 (sorry can’t read name), I drew this from Jess (something) from Entertainment Weekly’s interview on 20/20. He had sources that indicated some Academy voters would not have voted for Ms Portman if they’d known about the dancing. (I’m assuming they mean the relatively small amount of actual dancing by Ms Portman).
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Oh WOW, that’s not a good sign ;-(
Ph please eople, she’s not Natalie’s famewhore baby daddy. She doesn’t want to become an actress.
She PISSED because she’s worked her ass off for 22 years to perfect her art and Natalie comes in with her I did it in a year. Would that not piss you off?
I also don’t think she won the Oscar on her subpar acting alone. Those Oscar voters thought she did the ork to. In fact that’s sort of the requirement of getting an Oscar. Acting goes into it but the crap you put your body and or mind goes into it as well. If you’re willing to go that extra mile to put the mental anguish and your body through it than that separates you from every other performance.
@Addie exactly. I have zero knowledge of Ballet. I don’t know any ballerinas and damn sure don’t know how long it takes to do what they do.
But the press (from the producers) kept saying Natalie worked so hard to become a ballerina, it’s her in the film. She did it in a year and half, and I thought “oh wow Natalie did that?” when I saw the film.
So no it was not clear that it is actually someone who has been doing this for 22(!) years. And all Natalie contributed was the stupid arm flapping and pissy/scared look on her face. Oh and that god awful fake crying she does in every bloody movie.
I’m glad the ballerina Sarah Lane is speaking out and that she isn’t afraid. Bravo for her!!! She is right to do this.
An Oscar isn’t a dancing award! It’s an acting award…
They didn’t give her the Oscar for dancing WAS for her acting performance, dancing was a important part of it, but just a part.
So why is it that Lane can’t shut up already? Let’s imagine a world full of unicorns and people who believe that not only are movies 100% real and see them as historical documents, but that it’s really possible to become a ballerina in a year and half. Yes. Let’s imagine the worst and give no credit to the human brain as a whole. Ok. At the very worst, what the hell does it mean? Nothing. Perhaps dance studios would get a lot more people waltzing in and wanting to dance ballet. After a while, same people would see for themselves that they can’t. be. a. prima. ballerina. What’s lost? Absolutely nothing. Has the ballet world been truly tarnished? No. Has Lane had her legs broken by Natalie Portman and her career jeopardized? No. Has this film in general ruined ballet for ballet dancers/students? No. Can dancers continue to be dancers after this movie? Yes. SHOW ME THE CRISIS. Show me why Lane deserves to be this snotty bitch after so damn long. This under-fed skeleton has an agenda to pull. And man, is she stringing people along. I say, get your damn pointe shoes back on and go back to the craft you claim to love. You haven’t lost anything (as far as dancing goes) by being a double in a movie. Do you want to be in movies? Is that what this is all about? I don’t really give a damn anymore WHY this chick is an utter fool. But she’s been grinding this axe for too long in the wrong field for it to be “about ballet” any longer..
Portman got that Oscar fair and square, as far as I’m concerned. If she were telling a story about an anxious talk-show host, an anxious librarian, an anxious figure skater, the argument would still be moot. And she DID transform her body. She may not be able to dance like a ballerina, but she looked like one. Good enough. I also would like to add that I agree with Liana: Academy voters are ACTORS. If they believe that NP was a prima ballerina, they’re snorting some chemical shit storm.
PS–if you say that you watched the movie and found Natalie Portman to be believable in the role, that is far different than believing in your heart of hearts that she became a ballerina and could quit her day job. I certainly hope you found it believable. If it’s a good movie, that’s exactly how you should feel. I think it’s far worse when I can point out a double than if I’m fooled into it. But…that’s what I’ve been saying all along.
I promise I’m done. I couldn’t have made my point more clear.
i hated this movie soooo much… almost turned me against portman all that sniveling, whining and crying….that did not a thriller make for me, no sir..i was not thrilled…more like irritated…
but on topic.. who could believe this chick could accomplish such a feat
Obviously, Natalie did her job and acted convincingly enough to win an oscar.Also, this is a movie about a dancer who lost it not about dancing. Seems like alot of people are confused and kinda missing the facts. It may be controversial about who got credit for what but it seems to me that most people have enough sense to know that Natalie Portman is not a world class ballerina. She did not take credit for being one. Natalie won her award for acting and being CONVINCING as a ballerina not for becoming one or her dancing. If she hadn’t acted so well this wouldn’t be an issue right now. As for this other chick, Sara, it’s sucks that she got her feelings hurt because she wasn’t mentioned in the acceptance speech and now she’s holding some kind of grudge. But really people that’s hollywood and this is a movie. THAT’s it. It’s that simple. I don’t get all this bantering back and forth.
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