At first glance, this story sounds like shades of Jenny McCarthy with a big “vaccine scare” element at the forefront. Here’s what happened: Katie Couric’s mediocre talk show, Katie, aired a Dec. 4 episode that featured guests talking about how the HPV vaccine harmed their daughters. One parent said the vaccine even killed her child even though nothing was ever proven. The scientific community jumped all over Couric for presenting only one side of the issue and not talking at all about the benefits of the vaccine. As Slate points out, there is “no evidence that the HPV vaccine is dangerous.” The benefits of the vaccine are enormous, and it will save countless young women from developing HPV-related cancer in the future.
In response, Couric has tried to backtrack. She has admitted that the episode was too anti-vaccine, but she hasn’t said anything on air. What has Couric done? She penned a HuffPo column to talk about the real odds with the HPV vaccine. This will do no good for her viewers, many of which were convinced by crying guests telling horrific stories. The episode was a typical talk-show tactic, and Katie was probably thinking about ratings when she okayed the slanted coverage. So Couric has admitted she was wrong, but that doesn’t mean she’s been any less irresponsible as a journalist. Here’s a big chunk of her HuffPo column:
There’s no doubt that HPV is a growing problem. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), approximately 79 million people in the United States are infected with at least one of the many types of HPV. The immune system usually fights off the virus before any health problems can occur. But certain types of HPV are the leading cause of cervical, vaginal, and vulvar cancers in women. The virus can also cause anal cancers and in some cases even penile cancer in men. There is increasing concern about mouth and throat cancers resulting from direct contact with HPV-infected partners. The CDC estimates that each year in the United States alone, 26,000 people are diagnosed with a cancer caused by HPV.
After careful study, the U.S. Food & Drug Administration approved two vaccines for HPV, Gardasil and Cervarix. These protect against the two types of the virus that cause most, although not all, cases of cervical cancer, as well as other HPV-related cancers. The CDC recommends HPV vaccination for both boys and girls beginning at age 11 or 12.
There’s no question that vaccination is highly effective. Nevertheless, concerns have been raised about reactions to the vaccination. Unfortunately, there’s no question reactions can occur, as with all vaccines. The vast majority of these reactions to the HPV vaccine are not serious, consisting of pain at the injection site, fever, dizziness, and nausea. More severe reactions are sometimes reported, however. Some people say their children have suffered from a variety of medical problems after the vaccination, and there have even been a few reports of death.
As a journalist, I felt that we couldn’t simply ignore these reports. That’s why we had two mothers on the show who reported adverse reactions after their daughters had been vaccinated for HPV. One could hardly get out of bed for three years, and the other tragically died. There is no definitive proof that these two situations were related to the vaccine. Every life is important. However, the time spent telling these stories was disproportionate to the statistical risk attendant to the vaccines and greater perspective is needed.
The concern among many people is whether the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks. Our goal in doing this show was to help parents make an informed decision about the HPV vaccine, not cause irrational fear. Right now, science is telling us that the benefits far outweigh the risks and that adverse reactions are exceptionally rare events.
[From HuffPo
Katie goes on to discuss how she has lost loved ones (including her husband, Jay Monahan, who died of colon cancer) to cancer. She also says has had her two daughters vaccinated against HPV. Katie explains how she was merely trying to encourage parents to make informed decisions about their own children. She now recognizes that the episode was imbalanced, which was probably a ratings ruse more than anything else. Sadly, “scare stories” are very effective at generating a sea of fear. The fear Couric has generated in her viewers may be irreversible.
Katie does deserve kudos for admitting where her show went wrong, but the damage by the episode has already been done. Who even knows if the viewers who watched the episode are HuffPo readers? I doubt Katie will devote another episode to the issue, and even an on-air concession won’t do much to erase the images of crying parents. Gah, what a mess. She knows better.
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This is deplorable. I firmly believe that people with a public platform (Jenny McCarthy, Katie Couric, etc.) should be investigated for reckless endangerment, and hell, full on domestic terrorism. They are using their audiences as incubators for an agenda that seriously undermines public health.
So true, and you can Oprah to that list, at least her prior network programming.
You can “add”…correction.
Thank you.
I agree. This IS unforgivable. I can pretty much guarantee that nobody who watches “Katie!” is going to be reading the Huffington Report so her backtracking in that forum is pretty useless. Those with the power to move masses need to be completely unbiased and responsible for their actions.
My thoughts exactly. I’ve never been keen on Katie but wow this is appalling.
Whoa settle down there. Domestic terrorism?!
I’d like to nominate Kim k for that.
No but seriously can we not throw that kind of accusation around? Her advertisers and Monsanto are all in it together. If not they would’ve pulled her or their money. Please don’t get too high on your high horse there.
People should do research and educate themselves about different vaccines.
Sorry not buying this phony hysteria. And if you’re counting on Katie’s show for vaccine info YOU need help.
Your comment is all well and good, but THERE ARE people who get their health information that way, whether you think it’s a problem to be cast aside or not.
Hyperbole versus hyperbole. Still. *INeedANap* is correct in that some people take bullet points, and fly with it, never examining the veracity of the statements made on daytime TV. That can be and IS very dangerous.
Agree with Stormsmama- the majority of her sponsors/commercials are P&G products, who are in close collaboration with Monsanto. Those who don’t vacinate their kids often do much research before making that decision, same as those who do vacinate. Don’t resort to name calling. Every parent is trying to make the best decision for their child, period. If vaccinations are so wonderful, you should have nothing to fear.
@Really- vaccines are most effective when a large majority of the population has been vaccinated, so yes, there is reason to fear other parents not vaccinating their children.
@ Stormsmama, if people educated themselves with credible information, this vaccine “debate” would not exist.
@ Really, it is precisely because vaccinations are wonderful that we have to fear when people don’t take them. Herd immunity and all that. Besides, there are those (too young, allergic, autoimmune compromised) who can’t take it and need everyone else to do so. Your comment makes no sense.
^ This.
I think deplorable is too strong of a word though. I’m thoroughly disappointed as she used to be a first rate journalist and knows better. Seriously knows better. 🙁
She should be making amends. Absolutely.
So now you get called a “loon” for simply reporting more than one viewpoint about a topic. It’s HIGHLY concerning how the mainstream media AND the government are handling our free speech rights. The average person doesn’t know but, the Former Soviet Union used to put political dissidents into “mental hospitals” for exposing facts that the government didn’t like.
Folks, just because you ‘trust’ the scientific rhetoric backing a corrupt govt relationship with vaccine manufacturers doesn’t mean you should attempt to “silence” people who are critical of vaccines. There are many disturbing facts about the relationship between the government and vaccine corporations. Just because you disagree with a point of view, doesn’t mean you should go around calling everyone ‘crazy’ and attempting to silence them.
Katie should stop doing spin on this.
Very disappointing.
Unforgivable but is she or the editors responsible? Doesn’t her work have to be approved before broadcast?
Come on, she’s made a career as a “journalist.” She should know better.
Her name is on the show. I would be very surprised if she wasn’t a producer on it as well as the “star”.
She should take full responsibility and devote time to this on her show. She needs to make the correction in the same place that she made the error so that it has a chance of reaching the same people.
She knew what she was doing. Shame on her. Hasn’t that show been cancelled yet?
I really used to like her, but ever since she got her talk show, not so much.
I had to educated my sister-in-law yesterday about the HPV vaccine as she shared a discredited article about the “dangers” of the vaccine on FB. I really hate the misconceptions regarding vaccines and when people believe them. I have unfriended people because they believe that vaccines cause autism .. it’s so ridiculous and dangerous. I can’t believe this episode was allowed to air.
Agreed.
I have a close friend who refuses to vaccinate his children because of the scare tactics – he truly believes parents who vaccinate their kids are irresponsible, have not “done their research”, that doctors who support vaccines are “in bed with the AMA”, and that vaccines “make people dumber”. He believes that because he chose not to vaccinate to his children that his children are growing at a faster rate, are more intelligent, and more aware than other children.
I’m vaccinated and don’t have children – so I’m unsure how other parents feel in regards to vaccinations. Any other parents want to sound off? I’m curious to read different opinions.
I have 3 children and they are all vaccinated. I think it’s absolutely ridiculous and ignorant not to vaccinate.
There is a resurgence in Measles cases. Measles can be deadly. He should do his research on that.
Unvaccinated persons accounted for 105 (89%) of the 118 cases. Among the 45 U.S. residents aged 12 months−19 years who acquired measles, 39 (87%) were unvaccinated, including 24 whose parents claimed a religious or personal exemption and eight who missed opportunities for vaccination. Among the 42 U.S. residents aged ≥20 years who acquired measles, 35 (83%) were unvaccinated, including six who declined vaccination because of philosophical objections to vaccination. Of the 33 U.S. residents who were vaccine-eligible and had traveled abroad, 30 were unvaccinated and one had received only 1 of the 2 recommended doses.
Nine outbreaks accounted for 58 (49%) of the 118 cases. The median outbreak size was four cases (range: 3–21). In six outbreaks, the index case acquired measles abroad; the source of the other three outbreaks could not be determined. Transmission occurred in households, child care centers, shelters, schools, emergency departments, and at a large community event. The largest outbreak occurred among 21 persons in a Minnesota population in which many children were unvaccinated because of parental concerns about the safety of measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine. That outbreak resulted in exposure to many persons and infection of at least seven infants too young to receive MMR vaccine (4)http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6020a7.htm
And….
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/children-anti-vaccination-movement-leads-to-disease-outbreaks-120312
In 1998, British journal The Lancet published research by Dr. Andrew Wakefield that purported to show that the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines caused autism in some children. The study was widely reported and the information spread like wildfire among parents, especially those with autistic children. The problem with Wakefield’s study, however, was that it relied on faulty data. Later investigations have shown that Wakefield was set to benefit from lawsuits based on his research. The study was retracted after numerous other scientists could not replicate his findings. Since then, no other medical research has shown a link between vaccines and mental disorders.
I have a son who was born very prematurely. Not only did I have to worry about regular childhood vaccinations for him but I also had to take him to get preventative RSV shots each month for six months when he was an infant. I cannot stress enough how important these were to his health. He also endured two transfusions while in the NICU. I firmly believe that if I had withheld medical treatment he would not be a thriving, intelligent and healthy 11 year old today. I think it’s important to consider all options when it comes to the care of your child but to just dismiss a doctor’s advice is reckless. I have worked in the medical field as well. Long enough to realize that doctors and nurses are human and therefore not immune to making mistakes. However, they have the benefit of years of education and training and that should never be ignored in favor of a journalists opinion.
My kids have been/are being vaccinated. i am not even chancing the junk science vs. real proven facts. dont even get me started on this crap about how kids are smarter or more alert when unvaccinated. you know what? i *gasp* chose to formula feed both boys too…the 8 year old has a genius level iq and is in gifted classes. the baby is still too young to know yet but he is following closely in his brother’s footsteps. i cannot stand all this mommy shaming based on sketchy science that tries to say one way or another is somehow supposed to make your kid smarter and more intelligent. im sorry, but it has been proven false in my experience and i hate when people try and use it as a logical argument.
also, based on new research that boys can also benefit from the hpv vaccine, i plan to ask their pediatrician about having them recieve it when they are the proper age.
I am related to an anti-vaccine nut job.
“Done their research” = crap I read on the internet.
Maybe they should link couric’s article to the one I read yesterday about the rise of polio in Syria.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4175118
I have fully vaccinated both my children (almost an 18 year old son and a 15 year old daughter) and that includes the HPV vaccine. As soon as they recommended it for boys I was ALL on board to vaccinate him as girls are less likely to get it if boys aren’t ‘sharing’ it. The only difference is I’m waiting to give them the last dose before college so they’ve only had 2/3 doses so far (this was fully supported by our family practice physician and the immunization staff).
I have done research as well and understand some kids might have severe reactions to vaccinations. However, I think preventing life threatening illnesses is a worthy cause and decided to bite the bullet and go ahead with them. Luckily, my children had fairly typical reactions — nothing a pain reliever and some extra TLC couldn’t ease.
Someone up thread commented about mommy shaming and I couldn’t agree more. I nursed and loved it but that doesn’t mean my choices work for everyone. And vice versa. Please remember that most GOOD parents do the best they can. Or at least we try.
My kids are vaccinated — and one of them is on the autism spectrum. I went through a brief phase of wondering what may have caused his atypical development — but I knew and still believe with all my heart that the vaccines were in no way a factor. I do think a tiny minority of the population is susceptible to adverse reactions that may trigger a form of autism, but that the vast majority of people on the spectrum cannot point to vaccines as a contributing factor.
Both of my sons are young teens and they just had their last round of the HPV vaccine.
As someone who has had cervical cancer THREE times, and at the age of 33 I may be knocking on the door of a fourth round – this is deplorable.
An HPV vaccine would have saved me from going through this since the age of 18. It wasn’t due to casual sex; I was raped.
Scare tactics in relation to the HPV vaccine are often driven by female sexuality. If there was a vaccine to prevent prostate cancer, do you not think it would be readily available?
PS to all those women out there who are sexually active but out of the age range in which they suggest getting it: do it anyways! New studies show it prevents just as well if you’re exposed.
I am sick of the way this gets spun out in the media instead of recognizing what it is: a life saver.
/drops mic.
I’m sorry you had to go through all that. I hope you have a great support system behind you.
It really wouldn’t matter even if it was due to casual sex.
I am so sorry you have gone through this. Good luck and my thoughts are with you. I hope that everything is ok.
I was almost going to go in to edit it after I posted, that it wouldn’t matter if it was casual, with a partner, however you get it.
But I wrote about my experience; and it’s hard having sex thrown in your face when dealing with cancer, and in my case it was rape.
I get that. Misogyny can be exhausting, no?
No disrespect was meant!! Good luck again.
Oh, how horrible. I’m so sorry you’ve had to go through all that. I’m about the same age that you are, and a number of my friends (with a wide variety of sexual histories) are being diagnosed with pre-cancerous growths.
I second the suggestion that women who are beyond the recommended age consider getting vaccinated if they can afford it. I was a couple years too old for the vaccine, but I chose to get it anyway on the theory that it protects against multiple strains of the virus and I might not have been exposed to all of them.
I have also had 2 previous bouts…and currently am dealing with my 3rd recurrence of cervical and vulvar cancer from HPV. The type I have isn’t covered in the vaccine, so it wouldn’t have helped me, sadly. It does protect from certain types, but not every type. So even though one gets it, please still take precautions. It’s not a guarantee. Mind you, I’m not saying “Don’t get the vaccine.” Not saying that at all! Just saying, “Please don’t think it’s a guarantee and let your guard down. Keep vigilant with your sexual health.”
I’m sorry you’ve had to go through that too. Fingers crossed yours will turn out all right this time around.
Roma – as weird as this is likely to come across from a stranger, all the hugs in the world for what you went through and are going through. I am lucky enough to have thus far dodged cancer (granted, mom was diagnosed on Monday, so I suppose it’s a hovering genetic twitch) but I do get the horror of having something thrown back at you after an attack. In my case, it was a pregnancy that, due to the injuries I received from my rape, the pregnancy only became a known thing -even to me- at about 5 months. I had the baby and found her parents, but while I know folks will be horrified at the comparison of a baby to cancer it was…. something that was done TO me not something my behavior caused. (Not that it’s somehow ‘right’ to slam a woman who gets HPV from consensual sex. No one deserves cancer and what a gal wants to do with her body as long as it’s her choice, rock on!) I’m saying this all wrong, but if you ever need to talk or just want a random ear to bitch in, there loads of us who, if not understand all, have sideways stories that overlap and can be there. If it’s allowed and wanted, just give a holler and I’ll toss up an email address. Two good shoulders, no waiting, and god knows I flit about online enough trying to ignore my writing schedule while I work from home, I should at least make the flitting time useful. I’m good for both venting and complete and total nonsense when required.
Thank you so much for commenting, and hugs right back at you! That’s something so horrible to go through. I can’t even imagine how you feel… although I’m adopted, so I can tell you from my experience the parents don’t mind how the child came to them, only that it did! You’ve done something great for 3 people.
You seem grounded so I’m sure you’ve come far; I’ve also been fortunate to have spent a lot of time in therapy and I’ve pretty much processed myself through it!
I will, however, look for you as a friendly face on here and hopefully you will do the same.
{{HUGS}}
Can’t stand her. She is a completely irresponsible “journalist” and always has been. Couldn’t watch when she did the evening news and would never in a million years watch her “talk show”, which sucks because more woman in the nightly news would of been nice. Just not her. 🙁
Katie Couric has daughters! How can she put such blatant scare tactics on her own show?
When the HPV vaccine came out, a friend of mine said she was going to wait until they knew what the side effects were. The problem is that there is a “window of opportunity” for giving the vaccine before girls become sexually active. Did I wait? Hell, no! My daughter had it, and I would bet even money that Katie’s did too. Very sad how low she has fallen.
The window is up until age 26. If you speak to your friend’s daughters, they should be encouraged to get the vaccine once they are 18 or over and can decide for themselves. It’s not as great as getting it early, but it still helps a great deal.
Thanks for the information! This is so important.
Although it’s best to get the vaccine before you’ve been sexually active, I think it’s worth pointing out that there’s nothing magic about the number 26. It’s simply the age at which they assume someone may already have been exposed – but for each individual, that’s obviously going to depend on their individual sexual histories and whether their previous partners have carried the virus. There are women who are past the age of 26 who can still benefit from being vaccinated.
@lunchcoma the main reason they have that age of 26 cutoff is because they have not done much research on the benefits it has when given to people past the age of 26. So, yeah, you are right in saying that is not some magical number. It doesn’t become ineffective, they just don’t know how effective it still is at the age because they haven’t researched it.
Lunchcoma: 26 is the age at which most insurance carriers will stop covering the vaccination series. Thus, for most people, 26 is the end of the line, simply because they do not have the 300-400 dollars to spend on the series. If you prefer to use your insurance, you must start the series before your 27th birthday.
Sam: Yes, exactly, it’s an issue of insurance. I just wanted to clarify that the vaccine isn’t necessarily ineffective after the age of 26. I was vaccinated past the recommended age, and yes, it’s unfortunately about $300 and outside of many people’s means without insurance coverage. I think it’s still worth noting that it is an option for women lucky enough to be able to afford it and for those who are at unusually high risk of exposure (for instance, one who knows that her partner has HPV).
I got the HPV vaccine at age 29. Luckily, I have a job and was able to afford the high cost of this vaccine. It is never too late. I agree with the person who already commented that if there was a vaccine that could prevent prostate cancer, you better believe that it would be readily available and men in their 30s and 40s would also be recommended to get the shot. Just because you reach the age of 26 doesn’t mean the vaccine won’t work for you. Doctors just assume that you’ve had enough sex to have already been exposed. Unfortunately, that kind of thinking is so misguided. I have friends who are in their late 20s and early 30s who are still virgins or have only had 1 or 2 sexual partners. There is never an age limit when it comes to protecting yourself against cancer. I’d recommend any woman who is still a virgin, has only had several partners, or is under the age of 40 to strongly consider getting this vaccine. It can save your life.
@Sandy
Yes, in her Huffpo article she says that her daughters were vaccinated.
I got vaccinated right after it was approved in the US, before insurance was even covering it. I didn’t care, I paid for the series of shots in cash while in college. It is that important. All girls should be doing this. This is a life saver.
Actually, I am only going to share this because it is very interesting to me and may to others, take it for what you want, it just should be mentioned in this dialogue..My boyfriend is a very progressive thinker, he is usually ahead of the curve , you feel me? So, this might surprise some people so you’ve been warned. Anyways …this is not recommended by the FDA most likely….But, my boyfriend, who is a brilliant scientist / PhD himself, did his research on the science and mechanics of the vaccine and spoke to his doctor. He insisted that he receive the vaccination when it came out. It’s his opinion, but he doesn’t see why men don’t get vaccinated as well, because they are carriers. Mind blowing
The HPV vaccine has had so so so many road blocks up against it over the years, why would Katie Couric host such a crazy manipulated show.
SHAME on Katie Couric for this irresponsible journalism. This is whats wrong with the world.
They have changed the recommendations and it’s now recommended for both boys and girls. And my son (almost 18) and my daughter (15) have started the series of vaccinations.
@LadySlippers, yes. My sons, age 12 and 14, just finished their last round. All their friends’ (male and female) parents tell me they’re doing the same thing.
Katie Couric isn’t a “journalist”, she’s a glorified Bingo-caller.
I’m very disappointed in her, and this isn’t anywhere near enough to compensate for the damage she’s done. There is by no means a 100% overlap between the readers of the Huffington Post and viewers of her talk show, and I would suspect that the former were already much more educated about this vaccine than the latter.
Can’t stand this woman. Never could. Never watched the evening news once she was the anchor and would never in a million years watch a talk show she did. She is completely irresponsible! Always has been. What a horrible thing to do, use something so serious for ratings! She is worse than The Views Jenny, because I believe Jenny actually believes what she says, Katie on the other hand did it for ratings. Ugh Horrible woman, both of them!!!! 🙁
Thank you!! I always thought I was alone in this line of thought, it’s nice to know someone else out there has always felt this way about her as well. I have always found her insufferable; now that she has her own talk show, she’s an even more annoying twit. The one thing I can give her kudos for is highlighting colon cancer on the air the way she did and raising awareness. But she just went right off the rails with this vaccine scare crap, didn’t she?
Yes – I always thought she was awful, and then I learned that she was getting paid $15 million a year to do her ‘journalism’ on NBC. Now I think she’s a walking nightmare.
Think of all the REAL working journalists who could have been hired for fifteen million dollars a year. Even with a $150,000 a year salary, you could hire 100 journalists for that sum, all of them doing real journalism and not this nasty tabloid tripe…sigh.
She should be called out. I watched this piece while out sick. Both the women who claimed that the vaccine damaged their daughters couldn’t speak to their daughters’ exact conditions (one refused to discuss it at all due to “litigation”). It stank of BS. Listen, I get that parents look for answers. But simply being a parent doesn’t qualify you to make any kind of medical, scientific or legal conclusion you wish. Being a parent doesn’t make you smart.
Katie dropped the ball. Why not talk about the research that shows that HPV rates seem to be falling dramatically ever since the vaccine was introduced? Why not note that millions of girls have gotten it and had no side effects at all? I thought part of being a journalist was being an adversary to the person you’re interviewing – push them, ask them hard questions, confront them. She didn’t do any of that. She doesn’t get to just apologize.
This really disappoints me because the scare tactics are what live on in the media. You don’t think this video will be shared time after time as “proof” of the dangers while rebuttals and actual facts get lost in the mix?
HPV is a HUGE problem on college campuses. Whether students are aware of it or not. http://svcreview.wordpress.com/past-issues/2010-2011-issues/volume-58-issue-one/hpv-becoming-an-epidemic-at-many-college-campuses/
I didn’t think it was a big deal. I thought everyone gets it. Eh, oh well.
I’m not getting that shot, but not because of Katie’s story. I’m not a fan at all of Katie Couric BTW.
Why not? What are your reasons?
I can’t speak for Amanda, but I decided against getting it because my doctor said that yes while it can be helpful, there are so many different strands of hpv and the vaccine only protects against a very limited number of them (don’t remember the numbers but it was really low compared to the number of strands). Secondly, there isn’t enough long term research out yet regarding the effect of and side effects of the vaccination. Having said that when, I believe, the vaccination for the Measles came out there wasn’t much research for it as well (we know there is now though). Lastly, I’ve only been with one person and he’s only been with me and the plan is for it to stay that way, so in the end it’s a waste of money for me.
As a journalist, she should be ashamed.
I’m not exaggerating when I say that her career as a “jounalist” should be over. Period.
She stopped being a journalist (if she ever was) the second she signed the contract for a talk show.
Don’t forget that your sons need to be vaccinated too. My two boys were among the first to do so. Males are not at immediate risk but CAN pass the illness onto their partners. Unfortunately, the vaccine (at least for boys) is NOT covered by insurance, is ridiculously expensive (around $400, if I remember correctly) and must be given in three separate visits to the doctor several months apart. If those conditions don’t deter people, I don’t know what will.
Here in Australia , at least NSW those vaccinations are given to both sexes in year 7 at the school at no cost to the parent. Almost all vaccinations here are free. There is no excuse to be unvaccinated here at all. I cannot believe how irresponsible this….. Words escape me, idiot, perhaps has been on this platform.
Couric is a graduate of UVA, where she was an outstanding student, and had legit journalism training. She isn’t some uneducated hack, which makes this so much worse.
In addition, her sister, Emily Couric, was a journalist who died of cancer in 2001, and Emily Couric Clinical Cancer Center in the University of Virginia’s Health System is named after her.
Shameful.
Nothing is as it seems! If only people really knew what the agenda actually is. Lies, obfuscation , fear mongering to keep people controlled. Critical thinking is necessary ..don’t believe things you’re told regardless.
Celebrities will do anything for attention. I hope people will make informed decisions based on MEDICAL advice, not the “advice” or opinion of some TV hack!
I am pro-vaccine, and I am with gardasil as well, but…my niece received the Gardasil vaccine and she’s never been the same since. She suffers from chronic pain, along the lines of fybromyalgia, which arrived three hours after she got the shot. This was five years ago— and it hasn’t left since. She’s a tough cookie and has since gone on to get her masters in social work. I believe in vaccines, and I think the stigma surrounding gardasil (“well, why would you need it if you’re not sexually active? you must be sexually active….SLUT!”) is ridiculous, but there ARE serious side-effects and, while they may be rare, the makers of Gardasil are not taking them seriously. Her doctors contacted the pharmaceutical company, she contacted the pharmaceutical company, and not once have they followed up with her. If knowledge is power, well…they don’t want to know. More research needs to be done to figure out just what happened, and they don’t care.
Hey K,
Notice how none of the “critical thinkers” on this thread have paid you ANY mind at all?! WOW, just WOW not one single word that maybe perhaps vaccines DO permanent damage and fairly often lethal damage to children and youth.
let me ask everybody something…this posting seems to purport rather vociferiously that this HPV vaccine is as safe as can be and woe to those who doubt that. OK. And where is the bona fide proof that it doesnt cause damage? Where is the proof otherwise??
Just saying….and Im truly surprised by how brainwashed everyone on here is. Wow.
K, Im truly sorry for your daughter. Really. Thank our government for passing legislation that you are unable to sue pharmacuticles for damages. That right there is all the proof I need, personally. Vaccine for my loved one? uh, no thank you.
( yeah, heres a nice vial of thimerisol to inject your baby with.)
Wow very harsh and judgemental with your comments.
RdyfrmycloseupmrDvlle, I don’t think anyone called these vaccines perfect. It’s clear that side effects are possible, albeit rare. In my case, it was a matter of the benefits outweighing the possible negatives. I mentioned above that my son is on the autism spectrum and I believe in no way were the vaccines responsible. The signs of autism were present with him from day one, literally.
And as for Thimersol, you might want to update yourself. Some info from the FDA: “Thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of inactivated influenza vaccine (see Table 1). A preservative-free version of the inactivated influenza vaccine (contains trace amounts of thimerosal) is available in limited supply at this time for use in infants, children and pregnant women.”
There is no “bona fide proof” but there are the 4 randomized controlled trials which the FDA used to base their recommendations on, which showed similar rates of adverse events (headache, fatigue, nausea/vomiting etc) with the vaccine and with a placebo. There have been other studies of the vaccine’s safety since it was approved since there has been such an uproar, which anyone can find on google scholar. I guess you can choose to distrust the system, but it’s the same system for every medication that gets FDA approved.
Oh K I feel for your niece. FM (fibromyalgia) type pain is no fun (I know). FYI: There are a lot of stuff (food wise) that has made a tremendous difference in my pain levels. Hopefully your niece can find something that works.. And I hope she is able to recover and lead a healthy, pain free life.
It sucks even more that the pharm company isn’t doing more and they should. No medicine is perfect but people should try and make amends somehow.
{{HUGS}}
Her doctors shouldn’t be contacting the pharmaceutical company, they should be contacting the FDA. They are the ones who monitor adverse reactions. Or she can report it herself here http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Activities/vaers.html
Was it one sided- yes. But I don’t see how that is all that different than stories that only tell the positives of vaccines and nothing about the negative side effects- as rare as they are.
WOW, a voice of reason on this thread!
There are many of us out there I’m just not going to waste my breath. 😉
This is honestly why I wish my parents would stop watching damned network news! They are always scared of something because it’s reported on the news. Meanwhile, there is plenty of real news, real scary crap, going on around the world that never is reported. But I suppose that kind of reporting doesn’t grab ratings like scaring naive and/or older people does.
Meanwhile, anyone can call either of my parents’ house and claim to be the Bank of America needing their debit card numbers and they happily hand them over. Why doesn’t the news focus on stuff that is really a risk to people?
Shameful. Honestly, I’ll never watch her show again. What a dirty move to get some attention for her show.
My problem with the vaccine issue is that BOTH camps too often employ these scare tactics. When I see young moms panicking over the possibility of a chicken pox fatality, I know the pharmaceutical companies are doing their job well. That’s no different than the ‘vaccines cause autism, cancer, and WWIII’ crowd. imo All vaccine decisions deserve a common sense, level headed risk/benefit analysis. Slanted for is no better than slanted against.
I think your argument is misguided. The things we mainly immunize our children for are diseases that could really harm them, chicken pox being a ‘nice to have’ but not an essential.
I think there’s an increasingly good argument in favor of the chicken pox vaccine. As more people get the “nice to have” vaccine, the chances that children have chicken pox naturally in childhood are going to be lower. That makes it more likely that they’ll first contract it when they’re adults – and chicken pox can have nasty complications then.
The chicken pox vaccine is required by US public school systems. You’ll need a religious or medical exemption form to enroll without it. That sounds ‘essential’ to me. At any rate, it’s the irrational fear I’m pointing out. That newfound fear of chicken pox is a direct result of scare tactics employed by the pharm industries. It works both ways. Meningitis is legitimately frightening. Chicken pox isn’t scary but many moms I know consider it very dangerous due to a slanted marketing campaign. I’m old enough to remember chicken pox parties, which were quite common once upon a time. Nowadays I’d be considered ‘irresponsible’ if I took my child to one. My mom is old enough to remember measles parties. Recall the Rotavirus campaign? Again, my point is there’s a lot of self serving pr and misinformation out there and neither side is innocent of spreading it.
Chicken pox vaccine: true, not “essential”. Real life – the disease makes you miserable, is much worse if you are an adult, and how about if you are a pregnant adult? Bad. A newborn or infant? Doesn’t happen often, but potentially encephalitis. Secondary bacterial pneumonia? A real risk. Is it fair to endanger the lives of those around you who might be immunocompromised? If you look up your actuarial risk of driving vs. getting a vaccine, you’d wonder why people aren’t giving up their cars. I do believe that some small proportion of the population may have a unique reaction to vaccines and we need to understand it better to prevent that. But in aggregate, vaccines have saved millions of lives.
Several years ago I thought it was school systems pushing for this NOT the pharm companies. Their argument was based on the lengthy absences from school while the virus ran its course. And the pharm companies were more than happy to help the school systems but it was school systems we need to blame for it now being an essential vaccine.
My 18 year old son’s doctor said that this virus is causing an upswing in throat cancers because of oral sex. (I forgot the percentage something like 400 percent, but don’t quote me) That was enough for me to protect my children with the vaccine. (Even though they say all strains are not covered in this vaccine.)
I see a lot of people watch network news. Oh well. Thanks for not getting your kids vaccinated and causing others more trouble because “Big Pharma” ain’t going to tell you how to take care of your kids. Here’s another option: stop having them.
Oh, and those who think the chicken pox virus is a cake-walk need to have shingles as an adult. Very fun to have. There’s a vaccination against it now, though. Oh, wait…
Two very good books:
Bad Pharma: How Drug Companies Mislead Doctors and Harm Patients by Ben Goldacre and Crazy Like Us: The Globalization of the American Psyche by Ethan Watters.
I’m a graduate student of integrative medicine and I have a lot of friends in my program who are kind of wild-eyed and tin-foil-hat-wearing when it comes to Western biomedicine. I am trying not to be this way. The more I take the required biomedicine classes, though, the more I am skeptical. One real surprise for me was my Microbiology and Pathology class. Our textbook (Robbin’s Pathology) is a classic and used in Western biomedicine classes. I was astounded by how many times I read “We’re not sure why…” or “this requires further research to completely understand why…” in this book. In addition, I’ve started reading European studies of Western biomedicine and Big Pharma doesn’t quite have Europe under control the way the United States is, so of course the notion of a shot or a pill for every little thing, extra testing, antidepressants when things get messed up, and then some surgery for good measure just doesn’t fly the way it does here.
Do your research and don’t just rely on what comes out of this country. There is more than one right answer when it comes to things like this HPV vaccine.
Your last two sentences summed it up for me..Thanks!
Why is it surprising that a text book should admit that we don’t know how some things work? Because we don’t know. We honestly have no idea why many of the things that go on around us or even within us happen, or how that is. That’s not a reason to be skeptical about the systems and procedures we know from studies and experience to work, IMO. While more information is absolutely needed, and constantly produced, the medical community doesn’t just use random techniques they thought up at the lunch room yesterday. Vaccinations are not given for the hell of it, they’re given because they’ve been actually shown to prevent lethal diseases.
As a European, I might add that one of the reasons why procedures are not shoved at people the same way they apparently are in the US, is that the vast majority of European countries have government-funded health care systems. All procedures cost, so they’re not done unless truly necessary and even then sometimes take insistence from the patients part. It’s not so much that “the Big Pharma” doesn’t control things as much, but more that the governments try to keep their expenses down. Not that the Big Pharma couldn’t be seen as a reason as well, if you’re so inclined.
I found it surprising because I’ve never heard a medical doctor admit that the profession just doesn’t know. The medical profession as I’ve experienced is pretty darned confident and seems to on the face of it have an answer for everything.
In addition, I tend to have bad reactions to common medications–I came to integrative medicine because I cannot handle standard pharmaceutical interventions–and I reading my Robbins was a real “ah-ha moment” for me. I’ve never had doctors speak with me about possible side effects; I find out about them after I suffer them, go on-line and find a community of on-line side-effect sufferers, and then vow never to take [fill in the blank] common drug again. When I read Robbins, I thought: “ok, this really clarifies some things for me.” I was, however, initially surprised. Now I’m an educated skeptic.
Re: government expenses and health care. Yes, that I am sure is part of the puzzle. So is Big Pharma. The two books I cited in my OP make that case pretty clearly.
My mechanic is a widower. The last time I got my oil changed I was studying for an exam, eyes closed and reciting so he wondered what I was doing. He asked and I told him about my exam. He said his wife had cancer and that she loved acupuncture. He said it eased her pain. Then he said, “But acupuncture doesn’t cure cancer though.” I didn’t want to go into a lecture so I just nodded gently. “My wife died in the end,” he said.
I wanted to point out that Western medicine didn’t cure his wife’s cancer, either but he looked like he was fighting tears so I said, “I’m so sorry for your loss” and “I’m glad that her pain was at least eased somewhat.”
There is no one right answer and there are indeed many, many factors. The last two sentences of my original comment stand.
For those who mock parents that avoid vaccinations due to a fear of autism, let me ask you this. What causes autism? The answer is that we DON’T know, but the latest research is suggesting that it is linked to autoimmune issues. Does that mean that vaccines “cause” autism? NO. But does it mean that they have not been eliminated as a possible contributing factor in a child who could have underlying sensitivities and genetic predispositions. Until the complex puzzle surrounding autism is solved (we are nowhere close) get off your damn high horses about what does and doesn’t cause autism. It could very well be that the overstimulation of the immune system in these susceptible babies/infants is the proverbial straw that breaks the camel’s back.
My four children have all been vaccinated. The two who have been diagnosed as ASD had horrific reactions post-immunization while my other children did not. In my son’s small classroom of autistic children, I know of two other children who had severe reactions to their vaccines including one who had seizures and suffered brain damage. Is this coincindental? Perhaps. Perhaps not. Do a little research on the gut/brain connection and autism.
Parents should approach any vaccination with caution.
I’m so sorry about your experience. I agree with you that there are some who respond poorly to vaccinations and other interventions and when it’s bad, it’s bad.
You might try speaking to a naturopathic physician. If you can’t find one in your area, you might contact Bastyr University or another naturopathic institution to see if any of their graduates are within your distance. Also, you might try a TCM (traditional Chinese medicine) physician. If there is a good school near you, see if any of the faculty treat in a professional clinic. If not, check around. See where anyone you’re interested in went to school. Ask about the background. If you get someone good, it can change your life. Maybe the acupuncturist can help your children, or maybe he or she can help you with your health and sanity. It’s good to have options.
I wish you all the best.
Thank you for your kind comments, Frida_K. We have explored alternative treatments including GFCF diet, B-12 supplementation, DMG, probiotics and have seen a licensed Naturopathic doctor, Homeopath, Ayurvedic practitioner…you name it. We also do ABA and early intervention, speech therapy and OT. My 16-year-old no longer meets the criteria for an autism diagnosis and if you met her you would have no idea there is anything “not normal” about her. It has been a rocky ride as any parent will tell you. My 5-year-old son has made huge improvements but some days are Hell, to be perfectly honest.
My husband is a scientist and my FIL is an immunologist and both are very well respected in their fields. I am well aware of the benefits of science and Western medicine as well as it’s limitations, probably much more so than some of you ignoramuses spouting off your judgmental nonsense. Okay, “Lex”, I will tell my friend and her young daughter who is now brain damaged from seizures she suffered immediately post-vaccination that she is unwelcome in your society. The universe has a funny way of teaching people like you lessons and you may very well live to regret your words.
Unfortunately, autism research is in it’s infancy and traditional medicine has essentially nothing much to offer in the way of treatments. I prefer to be pro-active and my journey has taught me, if nothing else, not to judge another parent until you have walked a mile in their shoes. Be informed, but consider your sources of information carefully as blindfaith in gov’t agencies and scientific research can get you into trouble. Ask the many women who developed cancer as a result of the hormone replacement therapy they were told was necessary to cure their menopausal symptoms. You can’t, because some of them are dead.
Anti vacciners should all be forced to branch off a form their own society with no contact to ours.
My goodness, such a judgmental remark. So extremist. This sort of mommy shaming needs to stop.
‘mommy shaming’? I have no idea what you are talking about. It is clear that people not vaccinating is bad for society so if that is their choice and they are so anti vaccine then why would they have a problem living with other like minded people?
Everybody wins.
Are parents who have lost their children, due to an extreme adverse reaction to a vaccine, not allowed to speak about this on tv or to the media? Should a parent whose child had a seizure due to a vaccine stay quiet? Mild to severe reactions to vaccines can and do happen. Children can and do react differently to vaccines. If your child has never had a reaction to a vaccine you are very fortunate, Don’t criticize the heartbreak of parents and children who were not so lucky.
For anyone interested in another view of the HPV vaccine, fast forward to the 37:04 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4CwROrKG8A&feature=youtu..be
Regardless of your opinion on Katie Couric, and regardless of your views on vaccination, people should be aware of the risks of this one vaccine.
I never really understood why she had so much clout.
Locally she came to my town to investigate and the people who dealt with her said she was a b.i.t.c.h. Fact? I don’t know. It doesn’t matter. I’ve never found her to have any appeal or to be a good journalist. Like so many she moved toward sensationalism. It’s the same shenanigans that got CBS – 60 Minutes in trouble.
My parents didn’t give me the HPV vaccine for the same reason they wouldn’t take me to get birth control…they thought it would encourage me to have sex (I still made responsible choices and got BC behind their back when I decided to have sex).
They have since come to peace with the fact that I’m an adult with a sex life. Unfortunately my ex gave me HPV and I have been fighting abnormalities ever since. It may become cancer or not, but I wish to hell my parents had given me the vaccine.