Well well well. The major media outlets have let the Solange/Jay-Z video percolate for 36-48 hours, and now they’re coming up with some theories. Interesting theories. Honestly, I think most outlets were waiting to see if Jay and Beyonce would issue some kind of statement about it, and since they didn’t… well, the media has just decided to throw everything out there. So, let’s summarize.
Theory #1: Something to do with Rachel Roy.
Via People Mag & Wendy Williams: Solange and Rachel Roy got into it earlier that night, at the Met Gala. A source claims “Solange was provoked by Rachel,” and Beyonce got in between Rachel and Solange, “warning” Rachel not to speak to Solange. Rachel was married to Damon Dash, who used to be Jay-Z’s business partner. Rachel has known the Knowles women for a while. Wendy Williams had some detailed comments, alleging that Jay has a sexual history with Rachel and that Solange was simply standing up for her sister. People’s source does say: “Solange is super protective of Beyoncé.”
Theory #2: Solange was belligerent and blitzed.
People’s sources say Solange was “yelling at other people at the party.” Some witnesses say Solange had been drinking, but she was not drunk. A source told the NYDN that Solange definitely seemed “drunk and irritated” as they left The Standard. Page Six also has witnesses claiming that Solange was “clearly…on something at the party, she was drunk and out of it. The girl is crazy and prone to outbursts.” Another witness said: “She was the girl who drank too much and was behaving badly at the party.”
Theory #3: Jay-Z said something rude that completely set off Solange.
People Mag’s source claims: “Jay said something inappropriate to Beyoncé and Solange, and she snapped. When they got in the elevator, it escalated quickly the way family tensions can. It got exceptionally heated the way family moments can.”
Theory #4: It had something to do with Solange’s non-famous friends.
The NYDN says that two of Solange’s friends came to The Standard, wanting to party with all of the Met Gala people, although Solange’s friends weren’t dressed for the event. A source says: “They caused a scene downstairs. They wouldn’t leave and kept name dropping Jay Z. They were pretending they were guests of his and not hers. Management went to Julius (Beyonce’s bodyguard) and said there’s a problem.” When Jay learned of this, he “snapped” at Solange, telling her “don’t use my name.” This reportedly caused Solange to sulk and demand that they leave the party.
Theory #5: Something to do with Rihanna.
When Jay, Solange and Bey were leaving the party, Jay told his security (shared with Beyonce) that he was going to Rihanna’s post-Met Gala party and that Beyonce and Solange weren’t joining him. A source claims Solange got up in Beyonce and Jay-Z’s faces: “She said, ‘Why can’t you go home?’ and to Beyonce ‘Why does your husband need to go to the club right now?'” Jay snapped again, telling Solange: “You’re one to talk.” That was allegedly what preceded the fight, and Jay did not end up going to Rihanna’s party.
Theory #6: Solange is pissed off at Jay because he hasn’t helped her career.
This is the theory from The Daily Mail, so… it might be the least reliable theory, although I think there could totally be some element of truth (or thruthiness) here. A source claims: “Solange is so angry because Jay-Z promised to give her more help with her career and when she brought it up again the night of the gala, he told her he just didn’t have the time to work with her in the studio.” Jay promised he would help Solange but he keeps backing out, and Solange is sure her new album is going to flop. The source says: “Solange wants a major career like her sister and she’s tired of living in her shadow. She’s jealous.”
So, what do you believe? Keep in mind, you can believe several theories all at once. You can believe parts of one theory and part of another. All I can say is… it’s really starting to bug me that everyone is searching for an appropriate motive for Solange’s attack, like if we just know what was said, then Solange can be absolved. When in reality, it doesn’t f—king matter what Jay said to her, if he even said anything to “set her off,” she had no right to physically assault him like that.
Photos courtesy of Beyonce’s Tumblr, WENN.
I think this one has to do with Jay and Solange only.
She assaulted him and we’re wondering what HE Did?
Why not, we wonder that about women who are assaulted all the time.
@DB I wish I could say I was surprised at this tacky and absurd comment.
@Side-Eye yes, after a while the high dudgeon and pearl grabbing brings out the snark
She had no right to hit him and nothing will make it justified
But really, this is a celebrity gossip site. This story is super juicy and about a private, high profile couple. Of course we all want to know what set her off
It won’t make it okay. We’re just nosy bitches lol
Yes she was caught physically assaulting him on the elevator camera. Yes that is wrong, but I just can’t find any part of me feeling sorry for him.
If he feels wronged he can file charges. If he being the only wronged party (not us) doesn’t file that is that.
I would have liked to see him do so and maybe Solange would have let loose all the dirt she knows.
Straw that broke the camel’s back? Idk. But it is far more strange that the transcripted version of the tape has been yanked/not allowed to be published. Maybe someone with more knowledge about copyright law can help. And can’t the Carters/Solange sue the security company or the Met? I’m sure the security camera attendant was required to sign a confidentiality agreement. Or at the least I’m sure it is illegal to remove company property from the premises without the knowledge/express permission of the company.
@Dame
“But it is far more strange that the transcripted version of the tape has been yanked/not allowed to be published. Maybe someone with more knowledge about copyright law can help.”
Conversations held in public (and an elevator like this is public) are not copywrited. Even if they can be, whoever wanted to own the rights to it wouldn’t have had time to file the claim to request ownership before this all leaked out.
“And can’t the Carters/Solange sue the security company or the Met?”
They could but they don’t have any grounds to do so unless they have a contract with the Met in which the Met guaranteed them absolute privacy during the event and I doubt the Met would be dumb enough to agree to that
“I’m sure the security camera attendant was required to sign a confidentiality agreement. Or at the least I’m sure it is illegal to remove company property from the premises without the knowledge/express permission of the company.”
The employees are bound by confidentiality which means they can be fired, if the confidentiality agreement that was signed includes a financial penalty there’s that but that doesn’t make it illegal. The tape is believed to have been recorded with someone’s smart phone, it is not the direct video captured by the security equipment so there’s no theft of company property.
All cranky
Wow, smh. Thank you for that – celebitches are amazing lol.
😉
I agree. However, I don’t like the way Beyonce and Jay try to play king and queen like their $h!t don’t stink. Their marriage seems troubled. Also, I don’t understand why Bey keeps that plastered smile on her face. I get it, you’re a machine. You’re a cold, cold machine.
the number one response is to protect the brand.
And I think that Jay and Bey will run with the theory of her not being emotionally and mentally stable and distance themselves from her.
I don’t think that Bey has anything to do with it. If you look back at the tape… Jay and Solange are focused on each other solely. Bey has a “You two take up it with yourselves!” thing going on.
Whatever it is, it’s a personal vendetta.
“The number one response is to protect the brand.” – BangersandMash ^^^^ THIS is the truth.
Oh, I’m sorry, Beyoncé and Jay Z are the most in love couple ever. Sealing their love is baby Blue Ivy. Clearly, Solange is an unbalanced Wild Card who came swinging out of the blue. Yeah, right.
All the rest is frantic and obvious misdirection away from the very ugly cracks in the Beyzus veneer. “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Move along folks. There’s nothing to see here behind the curtain.”
Exactly their job or their brand is to have a clean public image. They want to make headlines that have to do with their career moves, not be tabloid fodders. Who cares if they put up the image of a happy strong marriage? It’s tacky for public figures to display the contrary.
According to my mom there was a partial transcript from the audio. She saw it on the news but we both are confused/curious about why that has been yanked. She is, however, absolutely certain that it was on the air, at least that first day.
Pray tell, what does Mom remember? Dame Snarkweek, I’m desperate enough for some Solange tea to give Mom a pass for totally unsubstantiated gossip! 🙂
Hi Sloan 🙂
My mom said that Solange made a comment about the possibility of the elevator not working/going anywhere, to which Jay replied ‘Just like your career”
The rest of elevatorgate is history.
Uhhhh…… Dame Snarkweek…. YOU NEED TO SPILL WHAT YOU KNOW GIRL!!! What did the transcripts say???
Edit: Late post. Thank you!!!!!!! Interesting. I guess the least plausible theory above is the actual truth then?
LOL @ “just like your career”. Oh man…low blow. I feel bad for chuckling….
That’s IT? Someone loses their freakin’ mind over that? The other theories offered far more intrigue and substance. Not that it wasn’t a crappy thing to say, but come on.
But it isn’t a theory. The text was at the bottom of the screen, closed captioning style. My mom has no idea what a gossip blog is and only gets snippets of celebrity news here and there between other programs. But she is sure of what was reported, at least on the day the story broke.
The comment was the proverbial last straw, possibly.
What’s wrong with Beyonce smiling? My defence mechanism is to smile, even in serious situations or when I used to get in trouble in high school I wouldn’t know what to do or say so I just smiled…
I don’t think Bey or Jay are going to try and make her seem “Crazy” or whatever since for years people already thought there was something off about her, it just hasn’t been talked about on more mainstream blogs since Solange isn’t a big deal to them. And besides just a week later Bey and Jay took her son to a basketball game…
@Dame Snarkweek, the “That’s it” comment was not directed at you, and I know it wasn’t a theory. I was just surprised that, compared to theories, this seemed trite.
Anyway, I believe you.
That may not have been the caption from the video. More likely it was someone tweeting into the station with what they thought set her off. They have a ‘live’ twitter feed scrolling at the bottom of the screen.
Happens on the Fox news broadcast here in Houston (and possibly elsewhere). There is always an idiot who will tweet out the most racist, insensitive thing to whatever ‘controversy’ the local station is carping on.
What I learned is that there is NO audio of the fight. If there were, we’d have HEARD it.
Kiddo
I apologize. I mistook your response as a reply to mine. If there was such a minor statement that set her off then that is very scary indeed. There must be lots more wrong.
Delorb
Thank you for the explanation. My mom doesn’t watch cable but your explanation makes a lot of sense anyway.
Uh… he grabbed her arm and wouldn’t let go. That’s why she went ballistic on him.
Elsewhere I read Theory #7: that she wanted more time with her biological child, Blue Ivy. That was a new idea to me. Anyone?
I could totally picture my sister and brother in law in this situation since I hate him with a passion but I’d go straight to body slams and he would be out.
THIS! I don’t hate my brother in law but let him do something really bad to my sister, and I would probably beat him in an elevator. I’m not a violent person but some people are sacred and my sister is one of them as it seems is the case with bey and solange… She might have been wrong, but if it had something to do with her protecting bey, I completely understand.
My sisters boyfriend, now husband, got into a fight with her. When we heard he was ‘beating’ on her, we all rushed over to kick his ass. Long story short, there wasn’t a ‘fight’….but we were ready to throw down. There won’t be any standing around while OJ is grabbing crotches in this family.
Exactly. This incident is being blown out of proportion when we don’t know what was said or done prior to cause Solange to become enraged. Beyoncé and a bodyguard were in the elevator. It’s not like she knifed him or was about to pull a gun on him. I think if Jay-Z was in danger, Beyonce would have intervened immediately. Solange went off and she acted inappropriately, but hasn’t anyone went off on someone for messing with a close family member or friend? I agree that some people are sacred. Most parents would put their lives on the line and even kill if someone threatens their child in any way. A lot of people would feel the same for a sibling or friend. We can only speculate as to why Solange went off, but if she did go off due to something Jay-Z did to Beyonce, I think it could have been a lot worse. Just think about what you would do if you found out.your in-law disrespected your brother or sister whether it be verbal or physical abuse. What if his or her spouse is a dog who sleeps around? So right now I think all we have is this video and anyone in that elevator minus the bodyguard could have played a role in setting off Solange.
I would never attack someone like she did, sorry. It wasn’t a slap or one kick. Trashy and tacky and down to the gutter was her behavior. and I have been provoked and furious and not acted in a way I’m proud of when really mad, but physically attacking someone like she did, nope.
“Blown out of proportion?” If that was JZ doing the exact same thing to Basement Baby, the world would lose their mind calling him Satan. To dismiss physical assaults done by women on men, it does nothing but make women seem like they’re irrational and uncontrollable, and then when they are physically attacked, you end up with a big, (albeit wrong), contingent of people who think “Well, broads are crazy, they get to attack anyone they want, never get in trouble. F*ck ’em. That’s why I don’t feel sympathy when they get popped. Probably deserved it.”
I lived that life 15 yrs. Dom violence and assault doesn’t just mean dudes beating females. Lots of men are not gonna ever call the police because it gets marginalized.
Call it whatever you want, but if someone hurt my sister nothing would stop me from getting to them. From what I’ve seen, Solange is fiercely loyal, and I’m the same way, so I can relate to what she did. I’m sorry, but if it ever comes out that she was just protecting bey I will be team solange forever.
I can’t believe people are still trying to excuse this. Maybe they didn’t see the video. She was trying to hurt him. She was still kicking at him while the bodyguard was restraining her. He pulled her back away from her target, she seemed calm very briefly, he loosened his grip, and she went right back to kicking and hitting J. A police officer would have arrested her on the spot and she would be explaining herself to a judge. I wonder if her family realizes how dangerous this behavior is. She is quite capable of seriously hurting (even killing) someone in rage mode. She had no control. People’s symptoms can get worse with age. They might be assuming she won’t do real damage, but from what I saw – that’s only because of lack of opportunity. She really wanted to damage J. I hope he keeps a bodyguard close when she is around.
This was not some little family tiff. There is simply nothing that J could have said or done to justify the uncontrolled rage with intent to maim (or worse) that I saw on that video. The one they really need to worry about is Solange, she is in deep trouble and is going to get deeper. Will they wait for a judge to get her treatment? Is that the plan?
I agree with @Jayna and @jwoolman. She wasn’t fighting to save Beyonce’s life. Her behavior was inexcusable. The way she assaulted him did not look like it was the first time she had ever gone after someone in that manner before, either. If I knew her personally, from the way it looked to me at least, I have the feeling I would always be walking on eggshells around her.
I think it’s a combo of #3 & #6
Yea, and considering the fact that she has much more talent than Rihanna and is his sister-in-law she probably thinks she is entitled to the better career.
You think that helping Solange advance her career would be good for the Carter brand.
Solange probably has a little bit of resentment against Jay for not helping her career. I bet there was a little alcohol flowing that night, Solange was reminded that her star power is no where near Beyonce/Jay Z star power, Jay might have said/done something that felt like the final straw, and Solange felt like she had to “keep it real” and act like a horses ass.
My theory? Is that it was some family drama that got way out of control. You have two strong personalities and maybe a few drinks , then the gloves come off. I don’t think there is anyone that has not witnessed family members go at it. Getting physical is crossing the line and in a case like that Solange should have got off at the next floor to cool off. Violence is never the answer
Agree, agree and agree, lol. I have been witness to several scenes of family drama (though thankfully there was no physical violence involved) and sometimes it’s the simplest thing that can make someone flip their lid. No joke, my mom and my aunt once got into a yelling match because my mom got annoyed at my aunt when she said that the buzzer in my mom’s apartment building didn’t work. One bad mood + one flippant comment can often result in a major reaction.
That said, no-one should ever get all violent like that, man or woman.
That is funny, because my mother and aunt got into a screaming match , when my aunt said my mother needs a hearing aid because she did not hear the doorbell!!
LOL that is too funny! I guess doorbells and buzzers are instant argument starters.
Totally agree with you NewWester.
That can happen. But I’m with Kaiser on this. Everyone’s so preoccupied with the cause but not the reaction or the solution. They seemed to have solved it so…..
Yep. My family is the same way. We just dont have cameras on us in elevators. One time my two brothers got into it because my younger brother drank all of the OJ and put it back in his (older brother’s fridge). He screamed, cursed at him, was threatening to punch him. His wife and I just sat there totally zoning out.
Well said.
I’ll believe People — something Jay did at the party mixed with alcohol.
Yeah, I suppose, but I also think that this attack looks deeply personal. I don’t know whether this has happened before or not, but it seems to me that Solange has been disagreeing with Jay for a long time, and just kind-of sat on a lot of issues…. Until one fine day when words were mixed with alcohol (allegedly) and it all went balls up from there.
I’m only saying this because I know a lot of fighting that I’ve witnessed amongst friends and family (not always violent) has been because one of the two parties just felt “fed up” with keeping their issues inside for a LONG time, and everything comes out at once.
Whatever the real situation was. Violence is never a good way of getting one’s point across or ensuring that you are able to have a voice.
Did you guys see that Beyonce posted multiple pictures of her and Solange to her Instagram this morning? Stupid PR move? Is Beyonce taking sides? WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN
And Jay z went jewellery shopping with Solange yesterday?
That’s so weird, so cliche. Take the “wronged woman” to the jewelry store to buy her silence? What kind of PR is that??!
Yeah, what’s up with that??? it makes it seem like there is some weird 3 way sister wife thing going on…I’m amazed that theory hasn’t been thrown out there.
Damage control and nothing more.
Not true, as confirmed by the jewellery store holder
GIrl!!
Our Queen of the People’s Republic of Earth seems to be playing peacemaker!! Consoling us about her marriage by going out and having a laugh with Jay. And also consoling us about her relations with Solange by posting pictures of her.
So… Is it safe to say that she’s doing this for us??
Yip!! Peace making is usually a private affair especially with very public people involved, and once everything is resolved, then the public will know about the resolution. But in Bey’s case, she is doing it publicly for us to see (albeit cryptically) and come to our own conclusions about what’s going on… But the spin here, is that we should all agree that ‘she’s a good person’
I think that’s Beyonce’s way of responding to the rumours. She also posted a pic of her and Rihanna. Basically she’s calling BS on the rumours about Ri ‘s party.
That theory 6 is a no, Solange doesn’t want to be lumped in with Bey and Jay’s careers, she’s said it herself many times to the point of getting offended.
My guess would be theory 4 or 5, *shrugs* I dunno..
@ blue Marie
if she doesn’t wanna be lumped in with them then why was she managed by him for years ? That doesn’t make sense.
As in she doesn’t want to make the same music, be featured on their type of songs. Her style steers more to Lauren Hill/Erika Badu anyway.
That may be true, but she’s not now and she doesn’t seem to want to be. I forget what interview it was (heard on radio) but she jumped all over a lady for mentioning their names together. *shrugs* like I said, I dunno..
My theory is that this is about something that happened a long time ago. Some people will sit and stew in their rage (until they get a little liquid courage), then blow up. And during the blow up, they’ll bring stuff up that happened months or YEARS ago.
I believe other women theory, blind item has Beyonce and Jay z have drag out fights
About infedility quite often, so the apple does not fall far from the tree, and the reason why beyonce left with her sister and had that odd smile on her face. A source at the met said Beyonce was distant from Jay z before the attack…..
@REG
ok so my friend’s theory is a twist on the other woman theory AND “explains” what looked like a crime of passion (assault is a crime, after all):
Solange had/carried Blue Ivy for Beyoncé. Jay is tied to her in this special, secretive bond.
This also could explain why they wanna keep her quiet: with jewelry and with B posting pics on social media of her with her sis. Meanwhile they can have “sources” flit other theories to keep the ultimate secret far fr anyone’s mind…..
Now I don’t know enough about the timeline to know if Solange could’ve had Blue— could she have been a surrogate?
But this spin on it seems like the best fit for this crazy drama…
Right?
Honestly if it sounds way off I’m open to learning why.
How about she was sick of hearing him thinking he’s God and kept referring to himself as Hova. She just figured she could put the man in his place, no?
I wonder if you’d talk about putting somebody in their place in genders were reversed…
Sorry, I have no sympathy for a man who can punch and shove an underaged girl in her face and laugh about it with his boys.
Believe me, I have no sympathy for him too. But Solange didn’t assault him because he once punched a woman. I am not defending Jay-z, I am just saying that Solange is a sh-tty person for doing that. They are both horrible.
You’re not wrong about the gender reversal, blame patriarchy for that tho.
Men getting laughed at when victimized is a direct result of society viewing women as perpetual victims.
Solange was dead ass wrong for putting hands on him, period.
Beyoncé is just as absorbed as Jay. Most celebs love to smell their own shit.
Also, you do know that she was kicking off to other people at the MET? I guess she knew she can’t go kicking random people so she kept it ‘in the family’ because she can get away with it. She’s an erratic person and both Jay and Bey’s behaviour indicate that this is a regular thing. Everybody has that one crazy family member.
Did you guys read the item on Blind Gossip? Interesting guessing about a business arrangement that moved personal between two of the actors in the three part play.
Some conspiracy theorists on other sites are tossing out the-baby-is-Solange’s-kid angle and other assorted mixed entanglements.
One of the strangest PR moves or real event, whatever you think it is, is Solange and Jay shopping at a jewelery store. Who goes looking for jewelery with their bro-inlaw, especially after physically attacking them?
It’s all so incredible odd. And none of this justifies the violence, but since you were speculating…
It’s definitely very odd, and I agree that nothing justifies the violence but yes, it’s really weird, I wouldn’t want to go shopping with anyone with anyone who’s attacked me.
Another thought I’ve read on the net is that the entire escapade was a set-up. I don’t necessarily buy it, but is it possible someone inside the elevator intentionally leaked the video for attention-buzz?
@Kiddo I saw someone on the internet say that Jay leaked the video as some sort of revenge but after hearing that they’re playing nice again, I really don’t know what to believe tbh.
Wendy Williams pointed out that Beyonce got her tattoo (the one that symbolises her and Jay’s anniversary) removed and Gawker reported that she stormed out of a dinner they had recently, but at the same time, they’ve added more dates to their joint tour, I’m getting mixed messages for sure.
Did you read Blind Gossip about the business set-up? It’s not impossible, these sort of things happen in Hollywood all the time, why not the music industry?
@Kiddo I did, I mean, I take anything from Blind Gossip with a HUGE spoonful of salt but crazier things have happened I guess.
If it was a set-up then that’s some stellar acting on Solange’s part.
I don’t know…I’m pretty sure I’m in the minority but I’ve seen heated tiffs that got physical between family members before. You get it out of your system and you move on. Also, I’m sure I’ll be accused of minimizing the incident but I’ve seen much, MUCH worse fights at bars in downtown Boston. It was wrong, but it’s obviously not causing a huge break in their relationship since they all seem to be over it.
Eh, I could believe that they had a blow-up (not made up my mind over what cause it) and then forgave each other and are fine now.
O’Kitt, it’s not my theory. According to this theory, Solange was supposedly set-up (set-off), and not acting.
Yeah, it’s pretty crazy-pants.
@TOK no you ain’t at all. I’ve seen fist fights at family reunions only to a week later watching each other’s kids. Family got some weird ish going.
@TOK eh, you could be right but good lord, the only reason I’d have to attack someone like that was if they’d tried to seriously hurt me or someone I loved. She needs to get help for whatever it might be that causes her to lash out like that, I’m just thinking how that kind of behaviour would look to her cute little boy.
@TOK you are not alone I’ve seen family fights like this and it doesn’t have to be something big.
@Dani2, absolutely. Someone who can’t contain rage is dangerous. She really should have exited out of the elevator, never gotten in, and should have moved very far away.
@Kiddo-yeah I got that it wasn’t *your* theory. I’m just saying I don’t think it’s all that orchestrated or intentional.
@Mikeal and MonicaQ-phew! I was starting to feel a bit weird about that. Glad I’m not alone…
I think someone should be considered “dangerous” if they repeatedly exhibit violent behavior.
…and I don’t know, maybe Solange does runs around assaulting people–honestly, I don’t know much about these three people.
However, I don’t think that a person should be forever crucified or deemed “violent” because of an isolated incident (if that is the case) that happened between family members.
That being said, ITA 100% with Dani that she has a kid and has an obligation to him to conduct herself as a role model.
I think maybe anger management would be a good thing for Solange to pursue at this point.
True story: when I was 25 I was in the car with my boyfriend at the time and we were having an argument. He told me to “shut the f*ck up” and I FLIPPED out. I took my heeled boot to his dashboard several times and jumped out of the car when it was pretty much still moving. Up until that point, I had never had a man talk to me like that and FTR, he never said anything like that to me again. Anyway, the point is that I was screaming, kicking and generally flipping out. This is not in my nature at all. I’ve never done anything like that ever again but yes, it happened. I lost my temper and could not contain my anger. No, I didn’t assault him but if he hadn’t been driving who knows…?
I did f*ck up his dashboard though-new car too.
This might be why I’m more lenient towards her than everyone else here though.
Does anyone know if Solange has done this before? Genuinely curious….
OKitt lets get to the real heart of the matter.. how were the boots?
The boots lived although by my recollection, they were Steve Madden clunkies that probably would have been better off put out of their misery….
@Kiddo. I read Blind Gossip with a grain of salt. Some of the stuff they say is flat out not true or just to me should be reported to authorities such as the actor who had his cake made up of liquor and viagra. That could kill someone but they are posting it as blinds.
@Kiddo Oh and two hours ago, Beyonce posted four pictures of her and Solange, I guess this is her way of supporting Solange, or a way countering those claims that she “threw her sister under the bus”.
Who knows? If a business arrangement or personal thing got more complicated, and someone threatened to talk, another someone threatened to destroy someone if they spoke, then that person over-reacts, then a tape comes out along with detrimental PR, and then suddenly those two people go shopping and everyone plays nice again? Yes, it’s utterly convoluted, but not impossible. I don’t follow these people enough to really get a feeling. But that’s some of the stuff that’s out there.
The only thing I can say from personal observation is that the pregnancy pillow thing looked completely wack. Maybe that’s why everything else has turned into a conspiracy on the net.
Eh…I really don’t think it’s all that premeditated or intentional.
As you said, who knows, but I doubt that theory is all I’m saying.
@TOK: You are not alone. Family violence happens, and it sucks.
She carried Blue Ivy! Dun dun dun!
Tryin to lighten the mood.
Oh wow… excellent gossip! 😮
I didn’t read the conspiracy theory/blind item but… that would explain pillow-gate. So Jay and Bey would be raising Solange’s kid as their own for some reason? Or are we implying that Jay has his own little polygamist’s den among the sisters? (I just gagged a little)
I have no idea. These are other theories tossed out by people who follow them.
What I know about them: they post constant photos of themselves and appear at basketball games and a sister attacked a brother-in law, then they went shopping. That’s the fact, Jack. The rest of it is rumor.
Ugh. Jay Z taking Solange shopping is the disgusting and transparently obvious “Let’s Buy the Little Woman Off” ploy.
I guess with enough $$$$ you can keep your shit tight. I’m still waiting for someone, anyone to come forward with a book deal. Unfortunately, that’s probably not going to happen because the ‘snitch’ would get the classic choice of ‘Take the Money’ or Else. *Sigh*
The spin spin of this whole situation makes me dizzy. I wouldn’t count out the whole business deal of their relationship out.
@ kimber, Yes, that’s the part I’d most consider as most plausible out of the theories, only because that type of arrangement happens often in politics, Hollywood and in real life.
@kiddo…what baby is solange’s?
is this the same baby jayz supposedly had with someone overseas?
i’m confused.
Give me a little bit of #1 and a Little bit of #3
I think it’s a little of ALL of the above.
But I heard about number 4 and tots believe that one.
I agree #1 and #3. When your husband sleeps around or slept around with other rich and famous, things are tense.
Also Wendy W rarely gets it wrong. She may have been one of the first people to call out Whitney Houston’s drug issues
it was all because of that peach sherbet dress and cape.
I really liked the dress and shoes, but not the cape.
I don’t think people are trying to find a motive just to justify what Solange did, I think everyone wants to know what is actually happening. It’s not about the trigger but the “what happens behind close door” aspect of family ties. It’s all about digging out something personal.
Exactly. It’s all in the name of juicy gossip.
Someone needs to make a bad lip reading of this video!
I think 50 cent did something. But I haven’t seen it yet
I can’t wait, Dedre!
Oh yes! A bad lip reading has to happen. This story is just going to keep on giving for a long while.
I believe it is a combo of the reasons listed and this story keeps getting weirder. Why on earth would he take her sparkly shopping? This story is bringing up all the Bey stories, all the old juicy stuff. Pillow baby is back and everything. All because of one crazy sister.
Theory #6 is the one I believe the least. That is the version being put out by Carter apologists. Jay Z is not a nice person. People need to remember who he was. A leopard does not change his spots because he acquires success, money, power and a picture perfect family. It often makes them worse but more clever.
She was on his management/ record label roc nation until fairly recently and seems to have been dropped or moved on. So I could believe there could be some professional tension there too. He may not be a nice person, but she let her son go with him to a basketball game after this thing happened and yesterday she went shopping with him so his person doesn’t seem to bother her all that much on a day to day basis.
Meh. I was simply addressing which theory I did not believe. I really do not care what their relationship is. I was just playing along with everyone else on the theories. No biggie.
Sure, and I was just pointing out that she had a business relationship with jay, he was previously helping her career so this theory is not that far fetched. Just playing along too 🙂
You’re right,we shouldn’t have a “reason” but since we are speculating,I’d say the first theory is the one. 1.Solange always states how excessively protective of her sister she is,2. Beyoncè totally seemed to know what the altercation was about,and you can see she also discuss with Jay at one point.
The least likely is the last one because anyone who knows Solange’s music knows that she is very hipster,she does independent r&b.There’s no way she would want to be with Roc Nation.People always forget that she has a steady career,successful in her genre,with her own record label.
I am going with 5 and 6… Solange committed the crime of assault. I think she got set off by jay’s comment of “you should talk” and she took it as throwing shade at her mothering skills. I bet Solange has unresolved guilt and feelings of inadequacy especially as a mom and provider for her child and it completely led her (although violence is never the answer and this is no excuse for intolerable behavior) go crazy. She definitely needs therapy.
Lol. It’s good she opened up to you regarding her feelings of inadequacy as a parent and provider. Must have been hard for her to reveal that to you in your therapy sessions.
Lol. That was total projection on part. Guilty of reading too many psychology blogs and self help.
I do think she should get tried for her crime.
The why isn’t that interesting to me either. I think it’s just a toxic situation. Solange is 100% wrong for getting violent. What’s fascinating is that finally the perfect facade that Beyoncé and Jay-Z like to project cracked and we got a peak into the real drama in their life they aren’t perfect. Now their PR curtain is falling again but you really can’t go back.
as i have said before, i feel like speculating about his behavior, or about what he said to her, is a red herring. she assaulted him. she’s a grown woman who should be able to control herself, and that’s that.
Exactly! Family or not, there is no justification for that kind of behaviour. It actually makes it much worse if it happens within a family as there should be no room for violence there. Simple, although I know it’s easier said than done.
How does it work in New York, does Jay Z have to press charges for anything to be done or can the city go ahead without his consent. All the jokes and memes aside this was a crazed assault.
Why? Because she has anger management issues.
I can’t believe there are people that talks about gender equality then tries to justify what Solange did. It is an assault. I don’t care what he did to ‘set her off’.
I don’t think most here are justifying her criminal behavior. I am 100% of the opinion that she assaulted him. I think we are just discussing the family drama behind the perfect life facade that jay and Beyoncé like to portray.
What facade does JayZ and Beyonce like to portray that they are happily married in public and keep their personal problems private ? Isn’t that what every married couple does whether they are famous or not, while I understand why people will gossip about it, I don’t see why that make them bad people.
I don’t get it either. Why the resentment that Beyonce is a calm and collected professional? From the comments here, it is obvious that people would have preferred if she had joined in her sister’s uncouth shenanigans. Not so they could praise her for not being a robot but so they could rip her a new one.
Nothing this couple can do is ever good enough. They conducted themselves in an admirable manner throughout this entire debacle. Jay Z picked up Solange’s clutch and handed it to her despite the fact that she had spent the past couple minutes actively trying to brain him with it!
Yet all everyone seems to want to talk about is how Jay Z is bad person who supposedly punched a girl (which is not true by the way, he pushed an overzealous fan away from him) or how Beyonce is a robot as opposed to praising them both for conducting themselves with admirable decorum and aplomb.
The whole victim-blaming tone of the comments is just infuriating. Happy that Kaiser went out of her way to call any and all victim blaming ridiculous. She assaulted him. They are handling it as best they can. End of.
What is this perfect life that they portray? Serious question…
She posts pics on tumblr/intagram (not even that many of them as a couple), they sometimes go to events together and are always at basketball games, they sing/rap about each other… what’s the problem? I mean, Beyonce has songs like ‘jealous’, ‘ring the alarm’ etc that show that (like many here have pointed out) she might be getting cheated on so how is that showing a perfect family life ?
Most folks here go on and on and on about how they miss old hollywood with it’s class and talent (LOL, please) but this situation is exactly what old hollywood was about. There were affairs, abuse, beef between old school singers (Aretha, Whitney, Mariah etc. will read you to filth) but they would plaster on fake smiles and act like everything was peachy.
Me and my husband argue but if we have somewhere to be that same night you best believe that I’m putting on the fakest smile known to man so I don’t have to answer too many questions. I hate having my business out on the streets just like I’m sure a lot of celebs do. People on gossip sites think they know so much because of a few pap shots and blind items (which are all fake btw, the fact that y’all believe them is ridiculous. I’m sure most of us could get jobs at the Daily Fail and make up rumours for a living) but most of the real drama happens behind closed doors and we don’t know sh-t about it until TMZ leaks it.
It is not even just this site, (though there were lots of victim-blaming going on yesterday)it is the whole media. They are portraying Solange as the wronged one although she is the attacker. It is unsettling. If Jay-z hit her back in self-defense, he would be trashed endlessly. It is one of the primary reasons most men think feminism only works for women’s favor and not both.
This! But don’t bother pointing that out to them-it’ll turn into how it’s the man’s fault there too. Because God forbid a woman is even held slightly accountable for her actions–there’s even folks saying upthread that it’s ok to victim blame Jay because “it happens to women all the time”. Knowing damn well the question of what she did wouldn’t even be an acceptable line of thinking. I’m so tired of this double standard towards male victims of assault and the pathetic hypocritical twats that defend it. I can barely get through any of this.
I am a feminist. I am also not an idiot so I don’t believe the victim-blaming surrounding this incident is right at all. Too often idiocy gets blamed on feminism when in actuality said idiocy likely preceded the idiot becoming a feminist. Because idiocy is an impartial disease taking down feminists, misogynists and politicians alike. Ok. PSA done.
Agreed @Latisse, this is an excuse to say, “see, feminists are blah blah blah….”
Besides which, the entire point of the post is speculation about what transpired prior, it is not an absolution.
Here is what Kaiser wrote above:
she had no right to physically assault him like that.
The intention and opinion is clear.
I am a feminist too. I have never said feminism was in any way wrong. I said some men do find it only beneficial to women because of victim blaming surrounding men when they are against a woman. Every person is responsible of their actions.
Solange was wrong in this case and I find it ridicolous that some people would justify it by saying things like ‘she is smaller than him so she couldn’t damage him anyway’ or ‘he must have done something to set him off’. These kind of claims are why most men assaulted by women try to keep it under wrap. There is no cause that would make it okay for her to assault him. If Jay-Z had put his hands on her, nobody would say ‘he didn’t do damage anyway’. That is hypocrisy.
I don’t buy the “Solange was wasted” theory bc she looked pretty together when she exited the elevator, imo
I would not be surprised if it had something to do with him going solo to RiRi’s after-party….Does anyone know if he went? Did Beyonce & Solange go?
I’m curious to hear what WW has to say – gotta go watch that video!
If this was a ‘vice versa’ situation and it was Jay-z punching and kicking solange, they would EXECUTE him in the press. But solange gets a ‘she’s a feisty girl’ comments and nothing regarding the fact that she is a grown ass woman and her behavior is disgusting.
I don’t have a television and I only ever watch t.v. when I’m traveling (hotel room t.v.). I once saw an interview of Solange by a woman interviewer, I believe it was in another country, and the interviewer asked a perfectly innocuous question and Solange got outraged. It was intense. She got so nasty with the interviewer and the interviewer was clearly confused at first–the interviewer did not mean any offense, the question was innocuous, and Solange’s insta-rage was way out of proportion. She gave a snarly answer, the interviewer was confused, and then she very rudely reiterated her point. I wish I could remember where this was, or when. All I remember about it was that I was genuinely shocked at Solange’s rudeness and anger. I hadn’t thought about it until all of this came up, so it must have been a long time ago. But I have no trouble visualizing Solange taking something the wrong way and running with it. She was a rude, angry, semi-delusional person in that interview and it looks like things have only fermented since then.
Whatever it is that Jay-Z “did”, she had no right to attack him the way she did. No right at all.
I really want to know why she did it. Not because there’s any excuse, she should have handled it differently, but because I was sure there was some juicy gossip.
Agreed. It’s completely terrible what has happened but it’s such good gossip. I also think because Bey has worked so hard to maintain her clean perfect image, it makes the curiosity huge!!
My theory is Beyonces ‘clean perfect image’ is nothing more than a carefully woven tapestry of bulls**t, that may be beginning to unravel. There have been many items strongly hinting at JayZ’s cheating ways from Rihanna to currently Iggy Azalea. I think the violence caught on that elevator camera is nothing new in this family. The fact that Beyonce didn’t bat a fake eyelash during the whole incident, and only showed concern about the train of her dress is very telling. Silence speaks louder than words.
The career thing makes no sense. Solange has never tried to be a mainstream pop star like Beyonce. Her music, her image…she’s purposefully going for an entirely different type of career, and she has actually achieved the kind of recognition she’s looking for, she’s a much more respected artist than Beyonce even if she’s not nearly as well known. If she was going to get into a fight with Jay over her career it would be because he was trying to manage her, not because he wasn’t.
I remember ancient gossip about the all out brawls between Beyonce and her bandmates, between Mathew and Tina (Mathew and everyone really), and more recently the gossip about Bey and Jay going off at each other. I don’t think Solange’s behavior is in any way ok, but I also don’t think she’s the black sheep here. This sort of behavior appears to be relatively normal for all of them when in private, Solange is just the one who got caught on tape.
Yep, she already said she never wanted a career like Beyoncé because she saw what fame did to her sister. Solange and Jay also get along just fine because she has defended him in the past.
Solange has issues and people who follow her (like I do) know about it but you never expect something like this to come out. There is no excuse and she needs to sort herself out asap. I hope this is a wake up call for her.
Find that hard to believe about Beyoncé.Beyoncé is known to have a non confrontational nature and if anything this tape backs up this. All I saw from her was staying calm , trying to talk to the two people , putting herself between them at some point and almost motherly moment when she reached Down to put solange shoe on after she tried to kick jayz.
You don’t get to Beyonce’s level with a “non-confrontational” manner. That’s just PR speak for doesn’t act up in public. You have to have a backbone of steel to get to the career level that Beyonce is. Why do you think Kelly Rowland isn’t more successful? It sure as hell isn’t lack of talent. Kelly can sing AND dance circles around Bey.
About her career that’s not quite accurate. She has been very much tied up jay z business. She was signed up as a Dj at roc nation (jays label) when her singing career was going through a rough patch. They got her high paying jobs, at the time she wasnt really a dj and she would get jobs because of her sister and jay. Solange has talent and her style is different from her sister but she definitely been helped career wise by jay in the past so I would not say she is above using him for her own benefit. The interesting thing is that she is no longer managed by him.
I don’t think the ‘reasons’ given absolve Solange, but it’s like a murder, to use an analogy.
The victim doesn’t change nor what happened to them, but we want to know what/why/how the perpetrator got to such a state of mind that murder was the only option to deal with the situation.
And if you were on a jury, the reasoning might lead to a sliding scale of punishment from life sentence through to not guilty.
That is a good analogy, LAK.
Theory #7
Solange is tired of being a sister wife with beyonce and wants to get a boyfriend?
She’s been dating Alan Ferguson, a successful music video director, for years now. If you google him, you’ll see tons of pics of them together.
But doesn’t Solange have a boyfriend already. Alan Ferguson, they have been dating close to five years now if am not wrong.
Since people are bringing up Jay-Z’s past, let’s frame it this way. Okay, Jay-Z deserved to get beat and had it coming for a LONG time.
That said, that still makes Solange a nasty, violence prone person with an uncontrollable temper.
Also someone on the other thread yesterday made some excuse like “if Jay Z touched Solange inappropriately, then it is definitely justified what she did.”
Well here’s a story from when I was in high school. Apparently in most US states if a married man is listed as the father on a birth certificate and doesn’t contest it before the child turns 2 years old, he is forced to pay child support until the child is 18, even if he finds out later the wife cheated on him and he didn’t know the child wasn’t his. Doesn’t matter, he’s stuck with child support.
Happened to some guy in my neighborhood, he confronted the wife about it, and she begged for forgiveness but he was so pissed he said they were getting a divorce and then she started laughing and said she was aware this might happen and already checked the laws and he was stuck paying child support regardless. So he punched her a few times and got arrested.
Anyway, in this scenario I totally agree the guy was completely WRONG to physically assault the wife, but at the same time, I wonder if any of the “victim blaming” and “gender equality” people would agree she also had it coming, they way they justify solange’s assault.
You have some interesting points, Aurie. However –
We do not have ANY evidence of Solange being prone to violence, but we do of Jay Z being violent. Jay hitting an underage fan in the face –https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzQPPno6PmA (If similar proof of a ‘violence prone Solange’ exists, I’m more than willing to change my mind on that point.)
We see Solange getting in the elevator away from Jay Z, and then Hova gets it started. What is the context here of Solange not having what Jay was saying in the elevator and violently reacting to him starting this? The REAL story is exactly what happened prior to them entering the elevator and what did Jay Z say after they entered?
No one is excusing Solange and ‘blaming the victim’. We ARE wanting to know the real dirt as to WHY Liftgate happened.
I’m sorry, but this whole ‘Six Theories’ bugs and feels like another sleight of hand misdirection. How about I buy ‘None of The Above’?
Seriously did you watch the same tmz video as everyone else? Jay Z did not ‘get it started’ Solange walked in first, then Jay Z came in and stood beside Beyonce and Solange walked right over and got in his face. And that LOOPED clip is from a longer backstage documentary which shows him play fighting with the woman who i believe is employed by him. If there was an actual video of him attacking a fan, why does it last 3 seconds? And where is this woman? I’m sure she’d be getting paid a nice amount to come and reinforce this ‘Jay Z deserved it’ narrative.
Karen, This is no ‘play fight’! There are longer videos all over YouTube of Jay Z pushing this little girls face out of the way, but the language and content is not suitable to link here. (I am open to seeing your ‘documentary proof’; please provide a link.)
The girl whose face got slapped by Jay Z was paid to go away. Otherwise we’d of heard from her then, and we would most certainly be hearing from her now.
To my shame, I watched Liftgate’s video several times, pretty much frame by frame. Solange walks in, her body held rigidly stiff with anger, and stands away from Jay Z. He walks in to his corner and mouths off. She comes over to confront. He puts hands on her, but it’s hard to see if it was her arm or waist because her body is blocking the view. Solange reacts with “HELL, NO” and the rest is history.
All the videos are of the same 3 seconds and cut off before the girls reaction, and are clearly being filmed professionally so where is the longer tape? I don’t have link to the documentary, but down thread some mentioned the woman is called Chaka Pilgrim who still works for him, you could google i guess. I also (shamefully) watched the video several times and I’m not seeing Jay Z put hands on Solange. *edit* Actually watching again, she never makes it to the corner, she walks in and immediately walks over to Jay Z with her finger raised and it looks like she pushes his hand which is in a ‘calm down’ gesture.
And to be completely honest if someone is ‘stiff with anger’ and ‘comes over to confront’ i think pushing their hands away is a justified reaction, but he doesn’t even seem to that until right at the end. I’m not saying Jay Z is a saint but all this ‘he’s hit a woman’ is lame gossip from the early 00’s all based on cut and looped footage from a documentary HE HIMSELF released.
If Jay Z shoving in a woman’s face is such ‘innocent horseplay’, why is Part 2 of “Backstage DVD A Jay-Z Movie” nowhere to be found on the internet? We have Part 1, we have Part 3, but wait holdup, NO Part 2.
Google dailymotion.com/video/xdh8ix_backstage-dvd-a-jay-z-movie_music. (I didn’t want to post the exact NSFW URL address here.)
Plus, Karen, we actually do have articles abounding like this one, which in part reads “In the clip from the documentary – filmed in 1999 and available on DVD – the 34-year-old rapper appears to slap and then push a woman in front of him as he walks down a corridor with his entourage. – http://www.contactmusic.com/news-article/jay.z-accused-of-.slapping.-woman-in-dvd-footage
I think a lot of people are believing their own two eyes over the Spin.
I think it was a helping of #2 but I don’t think this woman needs to get blitzed to go off on people. One drink was enough to help it along nicely. When someone like this drinks at a party, the people closest to her have very little fun. It’s like baby-sitting a spoiled, angry brat. If Jay had had a few as well then said something smart-ass – that would have been enough I think…
And I think there’s definitely a smidge of #6 because she’s so incredibly defensive when anyone implies otherwise. I can’t blame her for jealousy – who wouldn’t be jealous with a sibling like Beyonce?
But there’s more going on than is numbered I think. Solange just flat doesn’t like Jay – but there’s other stuff I’m sure that’s floating around in their history that makes them a volatile combo.
My theory is that she is trying to get a spot on that show Bad Girls Club.
Sometimes people with anger issues don’t need something to set them off, they just go off. The provocation is usually imagined in people who behave like this. Ask anyone who has ever been in an abusive relationship they will tell you breathing could be provocation. People who can’t control themselves don;t need a reason, they only need a target.
I highly doubt she’s drunk or onto something and caused a ruckus at the party otherwise we would’ve had reports either from the witnesses through social media or have any blind items about a starlet acting drunk and causing trouble earlier. Why all of a sudden these “drunk, drugs, Rachel Roy incident” conveniently came out right after the elevator video came out?
I still think what she did was stupid and wrong but I can’t help but wonder what set her off to go batshit crazy over JayZ that night.
If the tape was reversed, Jay-Z would be in jail right now for assault. This is such a double standard.
No actually. Solange would only be in jail if Jay Z pressed charges, which he did not.
Doesn’t a person have to be arrested before the DA can press charges for anything?
I read on People last night that said Solange has moved on from the incident. That is classic abuser speak for I have gotten over the violence I caused and so should you. Also it means she has moved on until the next time she decides to attack someone. I find Solange’s behavior very disturbing and the fact people are making jokes about it and trying to blame Jay is also strange to me. My sense of humor is rarely PC either so I can’t criticize others but in this case I find nothing funny about what that spoiled brat did to her brother-in-law and every reason to be concerned for the safety of others around her. Doesn’t she have a young son? That is straight up scary.
All of this.
The way Beyonce reacted was also an absolutely classic response to abuse. Stand back and then appease the abuser. It’s something I’ve seen again and again.
That Solange was able to perfectly direct her aggression against her chosen target does not say that she had any good reason to particularly be angry at Jay-Z. It says that she knew she wouldn’t pay for hitting him. And apparently, she won’t, because a woman can’t possibly ever be inappropriately violent against a man? Or is it because a woman can’t ever be inappropriately violent against a black man? The victim-blaming responses to this are sickening.
Without the audio, we’ll never know exactly what was said. This was a private scene that got leaked and I hope the Carters sue the shit out The Standard.
Btw, just wondering: if Jay Z had responded by smacking her, do you think he would have been justified?
If Jay had knocked her back after she had JUST PUNCHED, KICKED, AND SPIT ON HIM I don’t see why he wouldn’t be justified and I would think the same if she’d attacked him AFTER he put hands on her.
So, it’s not that “violence is never the answer,” – it depends on the context? I’m just trying to grasp where commenters are coming from with this. Personally, no, violence is not the answer. Reason is the answer. Love is the answer.
But I find the reaction interesting — another commenter mentioned Elin Nordegren. Why was it “ok” for Elin to assault Tiger Woods, but Solange is ZOMG so crazy and violent?
Elin assaulted Tiger Woods? If she did, it wasn’t okay.
Yes, of course it depends on the context. Self-defense is entirely acceptable. What Solange did was not self-defense.
The laws on self-defense vary from state to state, but in general you’re allowed to use reasonable physical force to protect yourself from imminent or immediate physical injury. You can only use that amount of force that’s necessary to stop the threat of harm.
Yes, he would, he would be defending himself… As simple as that and as @Kiddo mentioned. A person is entitled to defend oneself from an attack, whether the victim is a man or a woman…
I guess the shrillness of the blogosphere reaction, without any qualification, is irksome. It just seems like a rush to judgment, and I’m not onboard with that. And that’s not an endorsement of assault. But there is a vast power differential between Solange and Jay Z, and it bothers me to hear “well of course he’d be justified if he struck back.” Well what if he had really beat her ass? Would she still deserve it? How far is too far?
Good thing the bodyguard was with them, he did a great job keeping a bad situation getting worse.
I think many are missing the point of this thread. I do not see where people are trying to “justify” her actions. I thought the thread was about several media theories and which ones we believed or not. Just because people are buying into one theory or another does not mean co-signing her behavior. The entire Knowles-Carter family is one big branded creepy dynamic. From her parents down to their marriage. It’s about the money, money, money. Pure and simple.
+1 well put
Very well say. No one is apologyzing her. We’re just gossiping on what might have triggered it. Of course her behaviour is inexcusable, violence is always inexcusable,
Solo,Bey and Jay have moved on.Families go thru isht.Spouses have disagreements, siblings have disagreements.Bey has never claimed to be perfect she has discussed being depressed, feeling insecure, being betrayed,etc
As for the tour now I can to the SF show too
Families go through things but once you put your hands on someone it’s on another level. It’s assault and if it were a man no one would be saying it’s time to move on.
She absolutely assaulted him. But people speculating about what could have precipitated such an out of control reaction aren’t necessarily giving her a pass. As far as criminal prosecutions go- Jay Z will never press charges. Highly unlikely that police will take action on their own for what would likely be simple assault/disorderly conduct charge.
I don’t think you’re correct in your idea that everyone is looking for answers simply so that Solange can be absolved.
People are naturally inclined to look for answers, thankfully so, much of our progress is the direct result of that . Inquisition is human nature. I think in this case that most people just want to wrap their minds around what caused this person to snap. Like so many other crimes. So they can mentally file it away, in a sense. Also, they’re famous and we’re nosy.
Personally I think she’s just prone to this type of thing, and whatever st her off, it ain’t the first time nor will it be the last…
Stop making it out to seem that solange is bat shit crazy! She’s mellow and lax. My theory is BJ have some problems in the marriage and solange maybe heard some rumours about Jay and defended her sis the only way she knew how. Im not saying assault is the best way to go about it, but if he did something shady to my sis I would’ve done the same thing as solange
She does not appear mellow or relaxed in interviews and what not. Just bc her music and clothing are funky and “mellow” does not mean she is. I’ve seen two interviews where she is rude and aggressive. And this video? What are you talking about?
I actually thinks it #1, #3, #4 and #6 lol. The argument with Rachel probably pissed off Solange who’d had a few. And there may be long simmering tension about her career, being drooped by ROC and using the Beyonce/Jay Z connection to get DJ and modelling gigs. So if her friends turned up name dropping them to get in i can see Jay Z getting pissed and running his mouth and Solange kicking off in the elevator. But even if all 6 are true she’s a violent idiot for attacking him like that, and i hoped she raked over the coals the way he would be if the situation was reversed. And all this nonsense about ‘Carter facade finally being broken’, what are celebrities actually supposed to show?. I thought the whole point of gossiping was that it’s fun escapism. Where’s the escapism if celebrities bitch about their spouses and doing the school run? They all present a perfect life, otherwise why would we give a shit?
I’m not going to pretend I know what happened, I was not in there–all I know is that Solo was wilding out, this is not her first time wilding out in public and she had no reason to put her hands on J.. had he punched her, he’d be talking to the police or something.
I’m tired of pretending that it was such awful stuff, that the devil himself would be ashamed. Solo has been erratic before and maybe she is tired of being looked over for RiRi. I guess it just hit her when she had booze in her.
Maybe she was mad at the world because of the dress she had to wear, the orange-peachy number was horrible.
me, I believe that Solo is and has always been erratic (she has had several episodes) when she is drinking and she punks her family with her “crazy”–so now, she’ll not speak to B and B will beg her to come back into the fold, buy her gifts etc.. .yawn.
Solo is mellow when she has her weed and her WAY.
+100000000000000000000000000009
I completely think Jay Z got what he deserved. Point. Blank. Period. People, its called Karma. When he assaulted that young female fan on tape, he received no repercussions for his actions and was quite proud of what he did. So, KARMA got him back, and he gets to see how it feels to be assaulted on video for the world to see. You know, I’ll bet that somewhere the young FORMER fan of Jay Z is somewhere laughing because he got his comeuppance. I don’t feel sorry for Beyoncé either because she and her parents kicked the first set of girls out of the “Destiny Child” group that deserved a shot at the same success Beyoncé has. What was Beyoncé’s comeuppance you might ask? Well, she no longer has a good relationship with her father. You no longer even see her mom Tina Knowles photographed with her anymore. Wonder what’s going on with their relationship? They used to be like glue in the public eye. Also, Wendy Williams’ bought up the point that Beyoncé is very noticeably in the process of removing her tattoo of her engagement or wedding symbol of the ring off her finger. Wendy Williams’ theory of what happened is the only one that makes sense to me. Also, it is known the Jay Z is a very shrewd businessman, who is trying to take complete control over the basketball team he owns.
Please stop referencing that looped Youtube video. That little 2 second clip that is looped 600 times shows Jay Z and a woman named Chaka Pilgrim (who 20 years later is still his VERY good friend) play fighting or whatever. She’s not a fan. The video is from his Roc La Familia backstage dvd. In no world would he put out a clip of him hitting somebody on a dvd he’s selling.
Thank you!!!
They don’t care about facts
Kaylah, we will “stop referencing that looped Youtube video” when the truth of this video is acknowledged!
“In a behind-the-scenes look at the rapper’s 1999 “Hard Knocks” tour with DMX, Method Man, Redman, and Ja Rule, a clip from the film shows Jay Z, flanked by his entourage, walking down a corridor when a petite woman wielding a camera confronts him. When she does, Jay Z appears to get upset before being shown slapping and shoving the woman in the face. “Chill! Come on, just chill!” a woman’s voice can be heard yelling in the background.” – http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/13/the-mythologizing-of-jay-z-or-why-the-world-decided-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-rap-god.html
http://www.contactmusic.com/news-article/jay.z-accused-of-.slapping.-woman-in-dvd-footage
You’re wasting your time with these folks Kaylah. They saw a four second gif so they think they know the truth. Jay-Z is an abuser. Beyonce is a robot. Solange was empowering abused women everywhere by hitting Jay-Z the abuser. These same folks want to hate on Lainey but at least she gets paid to make up ridiculous theories and lies. Y’all do it for free.
Keeping it real 0
Emotional intelligence 1
Alternative opinon I do not know either party but I think Solange just got played.
Jay-z knew about the tape being released for 5 days, 5 days “Jay Z’s people felt they couldn’t control it. They were reluctant to try and publicly fight this.” Why ? Perhaps they know everything that went on in that lift, would only reflect badly on Solange. If there was a chance that anything that went on in the lift would reflect badly on the Knowles- Carter brand, they would have all Solange, Beyonce, Jay-z and kids would have shown a unity on the nets game.
If any of these accussion against Jay-z was correct why doesn’t Solange come out and speak, as she is so keen on keeping it real. She is probably pissed that Jay-z, wasn’t persuaded by Beyonce to cover this up.
Standard Hotel could find and fire the employee within 2 days of the tape being release. But in 5 days Standard Hotel could not with the support of Jay-z , obtain an injunction against the employee on intellectual property or breach of employment contracts.
I guess Jay-z does fight back, just in a more intelligent and deadly way. How Solange’s career pans out in the coming years would determine how effective Jay-z strategy has been.
In a perfect world rachel mentioned that Jay-Z liked the thumb up his bum (see blind item from last week) and that’s why Sol and Rachel argued. Bey thinking “…girl don’t I know it…” but and little sister didntn like shade being thrown at big sister over a scumbag like Jay-Z and his lady bangings
I’m a simple gal, I think its a combination of 2 and 3. More likely to be a common occurence but not damaging to their relationships. That would explain why Beyonce could be “used to it” while still staying with Jay.
It’s interesting how people can become so self-righteous where violence is concerned, when it is a such an instinctual human behavior. I don’t condone it as method of dealing with your issues but it’s a phenomenal fact of the human condition. What I find disturbing is not her actions so much as the amount of condemnation she is attracting based on her behavior in one ill-advised, misguided situation. Solange has not publicly established a pattern of violence for which we have conclusive evidence. At best, there is supposition and hearsay. And to preempt to gender equality right fighters who no doubt are polishing off those soapboxes, when Chris Brown assaulted Rhianna, I was one of the few who in the VERY beginning who gave him the benefit of the doubt due to youthful folly and lack of established behavior. Fast forward five years and he obviously is an asshat who lacks the strength of character to overcome his issues, it seems. In short, I don’t understand the morally-inflated need to malign her when we just don’t what the hell is going on beyond that elevator and she’s never before done this in public. Now if future events reveal her to have a violent, hair trigger temper that involves throwing phones and beating down her assistants a la Naomi Campbell then I’ll reevaluate my opinion of her. Until then, I don’t think there is sufficient reason to act so indignantly.
Beautiful post, thank you!
“Solange has not publicly established a pattern of violence for which we have conclusive evidence. ” – VictoryGin
This is an oh so conveniently forgotten fact.
“In short, I don’t understand the morally-inflated need to malign her when we just don’t what the hell is going on beyond that elevator and she’s never before done this in public.” True that.
What we have here is a classic sleight of hand misdirection away from the real story that the Carter Knowles are are frantically trying to cover up.
The more ‘indignant’ the maligning of Solange without any examination of the exculpatory circumstances, the more I believe there’s a rotten core to Liftgate that Beyzus’ PR Front are desperate to suppress.
Sloan. I don’ know whether there is a pattern or not, but in life, acting in the heat of passion, even if only once, can have dire consequences. I don’t disagree that there is a ton of PR happening, and that there is a heaping of bullshit, and I don’t know what to believe. But it is always best to remove yourself, if it is possible, from a situation where you might lose control violently.
You have a good point, Kiddo. How many times have we seen or heard ‘a one time thing’ video or photograph bring a public figure down forever?
From ‘Monkey Business’ Donna Rice and Gary Hart, to Marion Barry smoking crack, to Don Imus ‘ racist rant against the Rutgers University women’s basketball team, it seems like there are some things you can never rise above.
The Beautiful and Talented Vanessa Williams is the exception to this rule because she had right on her side and a rare personal courage you don’t see often enough. I personally hope Solange can take this scandal and RUN with it, but the Jewelry Store shopping may have nipped that in the bud. Then again, if Vanessa could rise above this tawdry chapter, Solange can too!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Donna_Rice_and_Gary_Hart.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Marion_Barry_smoking_crack.gif
http://mediamatters.org/research/2007/04/04/imus-called-womens-basketball-team-nappy-headed/138497
Google The Photos That Took Her Crown: Miss America Vanessa Williams.
@Sloan, aside from the ramifications to the person who commits acts of violence, I was actually more concerned about victims. So many times, you hear of instances where people have the opportunity to move away from a situation, but they indulge themselves in a violent release upon humans and the victims aren’t always so lucky: the result can be serious, debilitating, disfiguring injuries or even death. A weapon or strength might make that difference. Breaking property doesn’t have the same consequences as attacking a person. Not that that is a good idea either, but at least things can be replaced.
OMG, Kiddo! Of course. I thought we were only talking about Solange and Jay.
For a victim of a violent crime, there no moving on. It kills me to see the horrifying results of crime committed in the heat of passion.
Thank you for clarifying because your message is vitally important for anyone who has severe anger issues. It takes practice and maturity to deescalate one’s own fury because it’s so easy to just give in to your temper and let it fly. If your rage is out of control, you have to have the desire for peaceful outcomes, get help, and make a change in yourself.
Yeah, I posted something similar re: Solange above.
Your thoughtful and objective posts have been missed around here, ViktoryGin.
Hi Sloane-Been following your posts on this and I agree with you.
*waves* Thanks, Kitten.
God looking out, TOK!
I saw how in one of the previous posts about this situation that you had to take up arms against those who didn’t understand that equating what she did to what Chris Brown did is a false comparison based on several factors. I competely agreed with you, but I didn’t have time to comment, however.
Viktorygin: love your post! 👏👏👏
Thx! Sorry about the late response. Fell asleep.
I agree. Great post!
solange knowles ✔ @solangeknowles
#wheniwaslittle I tried to kill my sisters teenage boyfriend (not a secret scince she blabbed about it on letterman) I had a GREAT plan. 🙂
2:14 PM – 8 Sep 2009
I would also like to offer another viewpoint.
Jay Z is from the streets of Brooklyn, who dealt drugs and pimped his way to the top. Beyonce’s family, though middle class, is from 3rd Ward in Houston. I went to school near this neighborhood for nearly a decade of my life (high school and uni). Typical American urban college campus surrounded by the hood. I guarantee you that, however, that violence is NOT an uncommon occurrence, And despite the fact that this type of base, crass behavior violates some people’s civilized, bourgeois sensibilities, this is behavior to which Jay Z and Beyonce are accustomed. I guarantee you.
Crap, VictoryGin. You lost me at these types from the hood “are accustomed to base, crass behavior [that] violates some people’s civilized sensibilities.” That is an ugly opinon. You need to reel that in.
Tell me I read this wrong. I want to be wrong here.
Yeah…ugh.
I took that more as being sarcasm towards people who would rather pretend that violence doesn’t exist.
Could be wrong though…
At Sloan….it was ABSOLUTELY sarcastic.
My apologies if it didn’t read well, but as you can gleam from my previous post, I’m not indignant over her behavior as some seem to be.
Sigh. I was in total agreement with your last post… this one though 😒
This post is really offensive.
Um what? I’ve seen photos of Beyoncé’s childhood home. It looks like a mini mansion. I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. And your comment is pretty offensive all around, actually.
I obviously stepped on some toes. My comment was sarcastic, which I thought was evident but apparently not. So, I’ll clarify.
In my previous, I was critical of people’s self righteous opinions regarding violence without knowing the extenuating circumstances that could throw her behavior into new light, especially because she doesn’t seem to have a history. I then went on be facetious about it.
Regarding, her neighborhood. You really have to be familiar with it to understand. It’s an eccentric area of town that has so many label and defies them all: it’s part hood, part black Bohemia, and part affluent. 3rd Ward was a historically black area of town that has people of various socio- economic circumstances living in one area. The area where Beyonce used to live is called MacGregor. This is the area of the neighborhood where you find the stately mansions. Travel north a couple of blocks, you will find a crackhouse. Houston doesn’t have zoning laws like other cities do. People can build an urban loft next to a shack. And they do. My former best friend grew up in the neighborhood, and she was always hyper vigilant about locking her doors and not being out past a certain hour. I always thought she was paranoid, until the place that she shared with her mother was broken into and robbed blind. My perception of the area was always as this black artistic mecca, which in many ways it is. It’s all too easy to forget that the neighborhood is not that safe, and shadiness is always afoot. Even the White House is down the street from the hood.
Again, I was being sarcastic.
My Theory is that it is all tied to Rachel Roy.
Beyonce posed in an Aaliyah shirt on Instagram the day after MET. Dame Dash left Rachel for Aaliyah , he went back after she died. I’m thinking it was some kind of shade towards Rachel. I think Solange probably saw something at the Met or heard something from Beyonce, about Rachel and Jay.
Beyonce posted the pics of her and Solange this morning as support for her sister because everyone is calling her crazy, but Beyonce knows what was behind the mess.
I’m still wondering why Beyonce got her “IV” tattoo from her finger removed?
+1000. People always forget that Bey and Jay are also a brand as a couple!!the only thing Bey can do in this situation is throw shade because if infidelity from Jay has come up,she can’t divorce him. I bet Solange found out about the affair between Rachel and Jay at the gala.
It’s human nature to want to know “Why?”
The reasons, justifications, and explanations offered here and elsewhere say more about you than about them.
I like the Celebitchy July 2012 article wherein Solange calls Kim Kardashian too low brow and tacky to be hanging with Beyonce. Solange needs a good look in that mirror.
I’d like to know why Kim wasn’t at Kelly Rowland’s wedding. They used to be pretty good friends.
Too busy planning her own wedding?
My theory is that it is not completely uncommon for Solange to react aggressively to X, Y, or Z perceived slight or insult. They did not seem very ruffled by her behavior in the elevator, as if they’ve seen it before and are relatively used to that kind of (over) reaction. This makes me wonder if Solange has ever gotten aggressive with her sister? I also wonder if the lack of shock during the assault is due to the possibility that this is a pretty standard dynamic among the three (running with the Superbowl theory), and how they all behave during spats.
It might have more to do with the fact they were in public and the elevator doors were about to open with a hundred paps ready to take their pics? If this incident had happened at home, who knows what would have went down or what has gone down in the past.
The victim-blaming comments I’ve seen really bother me. It’s okay to be super-curious about why this happened; we’re gossip-hounds, after all.
It’s not okay to imply that assault doesn’t count, or is justified, if the person who got hit is irritating or unethical.
I think this has more to do with society being hypocritical. If it’s a guy hitting a girl no one would blame the girl. But since it was a girl hitting a guy, some people think it’s ok. Assault is assault. Your opinion on physical violence should not be dependent on the gender of the victim…that is ridiculous.
People have REALLY short memories. No one remembers when the very vocal Team Breezy were all saying that Rihanna provoked him?
TeamBreezy has 20,144 ‘likes’ on Facebook so not exactly a “small group of people”.
Anyway, the VAST, VAST majority of comments here say..what, exactly? Everyone is here condemning what she did so what’s the problem exactly?
Not seeing the double standards everyone keeps screaming about…
Even ONE person saying that Rihanna deserved to get her ass beat is one too many.
20K is probably equal to as many people who are saying that what Solange did was ok because she was provoked.
Sorry, but I don’t see the vast majority of people condoning Solange’s behavior. Quite the contrary actually.
@OriginalKitten
I agree — most people are condemning Solange. It’s a minority that glide right past Solange’s assault and instead talk about what dreadful person Jay must be to have provoked it.
Still — those are the people who bother me. I *get* how someone can be angry enough to assault someone, but that doesn’t mean it’s ever acceptable. Physical violence is only acceptable when you’re fending off physical violence. It’s a bit horrifying to realize how many people don’t see it that way.
Kitten is right with the short memories! Google is our friend in the war against the massive PR Front of spin and obfuscation.
Context is everything, especially with video. George Orwell’s classic ‘1984’ written in 1948 prophetically told of a sea of mindless drones watching videos on screens that could never be turned off and credulously swallowing doublespeak lies.
This one’s personal.
@TheOriginalKitten Actually my memory is pretty good. I know there were some folks that blamed Rihanna but those are the CB’s fans. I’m talking about the public in general, not die hard fans who would stand behind CB even if he murdered someone. When I was talking about “hypocritical behavior” I wasn’t talking about people who comment on this site. I was talking about the media. I watched a bunch of entertainment shows last night and they are making this JZ/Solange”assault” a joke…they are laughing and there are a tonne of memes going around poking fun at this. If it was a woman who was abused, I doubt the media would be making fun of it in this way.
I find it incredibly disturbing that you guys are minimizing the fact that ANYONE would condone this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1150824/Pictured-Rihannas-horrific-injuries-alleged-bust-Chris-Brown.html
But I guess because it’s “only” Chris Brown’s fanbase then that’s cool. Ugh.
REALLY? Ok, I’ve gotten spit in the face AND I had a complete stranger (a dude) punch me in the face. Please take my word for it-ending up in the hospital because a dude who had a ring on his finger split your chin open with a right hook and having to get stitches is a LOT. F*CKING. WORSE.
Not to mention my mom’s reaction when my best friend had to call her to tell her that her daughter was in the hospital because she was attacked by a stranger so please stop with the nonsense because I’m starting to feel insulted.
You can wipe spit off of your face but the scar on my chin will never go away…SMH…
@TOK
I have to agree, getting spit on is nothing compared to getting physically hit by someone. Spit can’t cause injury.
I’m not minimizing anything. I don’t think you’re getting what I’m trying to say. What Chris Brown did to Rihanna was horrible. He deserves to be punished for that. No one should ever put their hands on anyone. I just don’t understand why the outrage is not the same when it’s a woman doing the beating instead of getting beaten. Solange hitting JZ has become one big internet joke. When CB hit Rihanna, people weren’t laughing or making jokes about it. People were mad. I really believe the majority of people who took CB’s side were his die hard fans. Who else in their right mind would think it’s ok to beat the crap out of Rihanna? I mean of course Rihanna’s beating was much worse because she sustained some bad injuries, but the crime was the same. It was a human physically attacking another human. The gender of the victim and attacker should not matter. That’s all I’m trying to say.
+100% I agree. If Solange had hit Justin Timberlake for slighting Beyonce, would that have been viewed in the same why.
Things that make you go MMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
@Em
You make some very good points. I believe legally if someone spits on you, it cant be considered assault. You are right, we don’t know what diseases the person’s saliva is carrying.
Bread and Circuses, there is no victim blaming for asking WHY when you have a ‘victim’ who’s been the center of violence on women and even worse allegations.
Google Jay z’s alleged mistress Cathy Koreana White found dead and watch the Youtube video outtake of JAY-Z allegedly physically abusing a woman in footage from his concert film BACKSTAGE.
There’s a helluva lot of smoke for this fire.
You know, that might be true (I haven’t gone a-Googling yet 🙂 ), but based on just this video, only Solange was in the wrong. Jay didn’t smack her back; he just tried to defend himself.
And the comments that bother me are apparently also from people who have only seen this video. They talk about Jay being “fake” or a cheater, as if that makes the fact of him getting kicked in the nuts acceptable. It’s really not. Even if someone is a convicted criminal, they don’t deserve violent assault.
The victim’s past is never relevant in the court of law. When a woman is raped, the court is not allowed to bring up her sexual history. Most of what people are saying about Jay-Z’s shady past is just speculation, there is no real proof. Just like we can’t go on this one elevator video. It’s obvious these two have a f*cked up relationship as she thought it was perfectly ok to attack him, and in front of his wife of all people. Either way, it’s a sad situation.
@theoriginalkitten : Maybe a lot of people here are condemning her, but try reading comments on various gossip sites. There are quite a number of people out there who don’t think what she did was a big deal. She even gained a whole crapload of followers the next day the story broke. People writing her messages like “You Go Girl” etc.
Wow really? Such a double standard.
“It got exceptionally heated the way family moments can.”
In what family? The only “heated” moments in my family that involved physical violence were due to my schizophrenic uncle going off his meds and subsequently going off, usually on his own mother. Otherwise, at the worst: yelling, door slamming, crying. No one trying to hit anyone else.
Whoever’s trying to spin this as some kind of “normal” family thing is not going to succeed. Because most of us don’t try to beat on our family members.
“When in reality, it doesn’t f—king matter what Jay said to her, if he even said anything to “set her off,” she had no right to physically assault him like that.”
Also, THIS.
Asking why Solange was so angry and endorsing her behavior are 2 different things.
You’re right, db!
We all know about Jay z’s alleged mistress Cathy Koreana White and the suspiciously timed ‘pillow pregnancy’, and we are asking for the WHY behind Solange’s rage.
Hi Sloane 🙂 I forgot all about that! I need to get current on my Jay Z rumors and blinds. Judging from what find on other sites you’d think he is Caligula, Bey was Pretty Baby and Solange Girl Interrupted, lol
Thank you very much! Was thinking exactly the same, cos even though many people don’t say it straight, they seem to be thinking “it’s ok, things like this happen in families”. Yes, violence happen in families, many, many families, but it’s not ok. Wish more people could see things the same way you do – this world would be much happier place!
Interesting theories! Beyonce has been releasing several photos to her IG since the MET Gala/Elevator encounter, which could be her ‘official’ statement.
1) Something to do with Rachel Roy: One day after the MET/elevator scene, Beyonce posted 2 pics of herself wearing a shirt with the late singer Aaliyah’s face across the front: Aaliyah was engaged to Damon Dash when she was killed in the plane crash in ’01, and Jay Z was one of Aaliyah’s mentors. A middle finger directed toward Rachel Roy?
2) Bey posted pics of she and Jay sitting courtside last Saturday at the Barclays Centre. Was she aware the video would leak the coming Monday and wanted to portray a united front?
3) Just one day after more Bey n’ Jay’s Monday PDA courtside pics made the media rounds, Beyonce posted four separate posts of old & recent pics of she and Solange to her IG this morning. Further proof of Bey n’ Jay’s wedded bliss, AND a show of solidarity with Solange?
4) Shortly after the Bey/Solange posts, a picture of Bey and Rihanna, together at the MET. Bey heard the ‘Rihanna after-party’ rumor and posted the pic to shut down the theory?
My sleuthing knows no bounds. 😉
I prefer the theory that Beyonce is lying about her age and is really Solange’s birth mother: http://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicamisener/is-solange-knowles-actually-beyonces-daughter
LMAO! Are they for real? Seriously? Beyonce was on star search correct and though I can see why she gets on people’s nerves she would have had Solange when she was like what? 12? When she was still going around performing? LOL. Yeah no.
I actually believe Lainey Gossip on this one which is that she started some crap with Jay since her friends were using his name to get into a party. That sounds like something he would snap off to her about which would enrage her to be called out like that. I love Blind Gossip but they are becoming like C-DAN to me these days with a lot of blinds that end up totally being made up and not believable in the least little bit.
I know, it’s just as silly as all the other theories — but my family has some similar ‘disfunction’ about who gave birth to who and when — and it’s the only topic I’ve personally observed inspire such rage (secrets are a b**ch). Unless major drug use is going on — I’ve witnessed similar stupid violence displayed by drug users.
Here is the real reason.
Jay is abusing b and has been for a long time.
Physically and mentally
.solange was protecting her that night.
God, I hope you’re wrong.
I have to tell you that scenario ran through my mind the very first time I saw this video, miss dynamo. I have a friend I literally stood up for. Using my body to slam him against the wall, and yelling in his face “Pick on someone your own size!” when he pushed her in front of me. So this video viscerally hit home for me, and from the sound of it a lot of other posters as well.
Then there’s THIS – http://www.ibtimes.com/solange-knowles-who-jay-z-accused-pushing-screaming-beyonce-during-fight-2013-super-bowl-1583633
That’s what I was thinking. Yesterday I mentioned psychological/emotional abuse response. If this is the case, maybe the private family dynamics reached its breaking point. It doesn’t justify her violent behavior, but it could explain it.
I’ve heard rumours a few years ago about this.
@Skinny girl and miss dynamo, yeah. *deeply sad sigh*
This is what happens when you name your kids bizarre names – this will be Apple and Bronx twenty years hence.
HA! Heaven Help Us, let there be no truth to that snark!
They must be furious (and embarrassed) that there’s the CCTV footage of the fight and it’s been so widely seen. Oops there goes the carefully crafted image.
They’re probably more angry about this than the actual fight.
Agree with others…protect the brand. Countdown to Solange being thrown under the bus. No career help from Jay-Z now.
@ sloane so true. The rumours have been out for years. The sad thing about this if it’s true is that domestic violence happens a to women / men from all walks of life.
B looks like a typical Stepfords wife.
He influences her so much, I’m sure he is behind her vulgar music, talking about fucking in a limo on her knees or whatever the lyrics are.
Behind the fake smiles, the pain is in her eyes.
The new ike and Tina methinks.
LOL. The reaching … My lord.
Solange, Beyonce’, and Jay-Z are deluding themselves if they think they can pap-walk, Instagram, Tweet, and leak-to-friendly-tabs this mess away. This is day 3 and it’s still the rage. Comments on blogs are in the hundreds and thousands, motivating the gossip press to put out more stories to get more hits. That TMZ footage is trumping every effort of damage control by them. It’s to the point that an official PR statement is useless now. Fail to the managers for all parties involved for no rapid response (under 24 hrs.); and throwing Solange under the bus with past violent outbursts only adds fuel to the fire. People want to hear from them, but I don’t think a sit-down with Oprah will fix this. Heck I don’t think Olivia Pope can handle this. It’s a mess.
She barely pushes him…missed while kicking at him and spit on her brother-in-law while being held by the big body guard. Yes it’s LEGALLY considered “assault” but PLEASE quit clutching your pearls over it. It’s not that serious or the bodyguard would be jobless. This Leave-it-to-Beaver crowd needs to take a break already.
“leave it to Beaver” LOL thanks for the laugh. I’m certainly ready to lighten up on this subject
It’s serious enough because it is assault, even if it was just a slap across the face… Just because she didn’t manage to actually hurt him, doesn’t mean it isn’t serious..
So, ok, I’m a high school teacher and next time one of my students misbehaves or is rude, I’ll slap him… it wasn’t so bad, didn’t actually hurt, so it’s not a serious deal???
And all I want to know is the stupid reason… lol
Dude…I so agree.
The fact that people are saying this is worse than what happened to Rihanna make me weep for the future of mankind.
Where has anyone in this post said that it’s worse than what happened to Rihanna ?
Yeah where is anyone here saying what Solange did is worse than what CB did? I have read all the comments.
@ G
You have the right to your opinion but assault is no joke. Wait until it happens to you (and I hope it doesn’t). Let some girl through a metal purse at your head and spit on you and then kick and punch you. Let’s see you walking away saying “oh no biggie”.
Jay-z maybe playing the long game, like a true champ.
Power struggle with Mathew Knowles – he patiently waits from Matthew to f$$k up. Love child with a stripper,
Larry Beyince beyonce’s uncle
“I wasn’t surprised she fired him [her father] [as her manager]. I’m glad, actually. I know he was getting 20 percent of whatever she made, and from what I know he wasn’t doing much for her. All I knew is that he wanted her to be famous and rich so he could be rich. One reason I was glad she got married is because she was no longer under her dad’s control. He is a control freak.”
Now Solange
“This was being shopped for five days to the highest bidder,” said a source who confirmed the tape was sold for $250,000. “Once it was out, Jay Z’s people felt they couldn’t control it. They were reluctant to try and publicly fight this.”
it appears jay-z did not fight the release of the tape ? I wonder why. ‘Cause it exposes Solange problems. I suspect if it was jay-z clocking Solange, he would have fought to ensure that tape did not see the light of day. His hands are clean.
Now Solange has shown how easily she is provoked watch out for random civilian taking a pop at her and get a pay out or her in jail or both. Hell I would take a slap from her, just one mind you and I would then sue her sorry ass. Just keeping it real
If she wants to keep “it real ” she can live her truth, hand herself into the police and confess to why this happened.
The way Beyonce was standing still throughout the whole thing makes me feel like she is used to that sort of thing happening. Whether that means that Solange has anger issues and anything can set her off quickly, or whether Jay is always antagonizing her/treating Bey bad, I don’t know. But my take is that these issues have been going on for awhile.
I just hope the children have never witnessed anything like this before.
Some people have said spitting is no big deal. But there is good reason why spitting is now classified as assault. Serious diseases can be transferred that way. If you’ve been spat on and lived to tell the tale, lucky you. But the consequences can really be far worse. We are not protected by modern medicine; antibiotic-resistant microbeasties are a growing problem, including ones clearly transferable in sputum such as various nasty strains of tuberculosis as just one example.
Solange needs to train herself out of that little spitting habit also, while working on her kicking and throwing habits. She can be arrested for spitting on someone.
Whatever the reasons for the fight, things have just got worse. It’s coming over the news that the Standard Hotel fired the person who leaked that elevator footage:
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/hotel-fires-person-recorded-jay-attack-video-23725241
To this person: I hope TMZ paid you a ton of money for this nonsense. Good luck getting unemployment insurance and a job because you were fired for cause. Your ill-gotten gains may go to legal fees if you face prosecution.
As for things getting worse, this person may go to the press and really unleash some more damage because he/she may feel there’s nothing to lose.
Um..she’s a psycho? How about this, I always thought it was obvious that Bey was the golden child and everyone else got the crumbs. I think Sol’s pissy attitude goes wayyyyy back. Jealous of her sister, of her sister’s rich husband, of her sister’s career, how pretty Bey is, etc. Then JayZ may have said something innocently, and with all that baggage, was totally taken the wrong way.
Yeah, she has a history of being a hothead.She yelled f*ck you to audience after they booed a Destiny’s Child performance. It seemed like she had calmed down in recent years and she even said herself in an interview last year that she needed to chill out in regards to her family.That is why I now believe that something foul was done for her to flip out like that.She’s said too many times over the years that she will lit anyone up behind her sister/family.
Well as of yesterday all traces of Solonge had be removed from RocNation’s website, so Jay’s no longer going to be getting her high paying DJ gigs in Europe anymore. Sucks to beat your boss and lose your job. She’s defo got some really serious issues. I can only imagine how pissed Jay is over that tape getting out, or being assaulted by someone you’ve carried financially. I’m sure Beyonce will be sending her a check every month to care for her and her nephew, but it’s not the same as believing you still have a career, is it?