The last time I checked in with Vivienne Westwood, she was lecturing the world on why reusing someone else’s bath water was the only thing to do. I grossed out, and so did many of you. Vivienne also talked about how meat eaters will eventually destroy the planet if a depleted water supply doesn’t do it first.
Vivienne has moved on to the subject of telling poor people how they should eat. A few weeks ago, the Independent quoted her as saying that clothes and food “should cost a lot more than they do. Something is wrong when you can buy a cooked chicken for £s;2.” She thinks all food subsidies should be removed. That sweeping statement goes too far, but there are merits to discussing what foods a government chooses to subsidize. The US govt subsidizes corn, which encourages production of soda and other unhealthy snack foods. (Then the soda gets taxed.)
Vivienne doesn’t care for a rational discussion of subsidies in the UK or the US. She simply thinks everyone should buy organic food. Those who cannot afford organic food should still buy it and simply “eat less” of it. I’m sensing shades of Twiggy in this interview:
Dame Vivienne Westwood has once again caused a stir after suggesting poorer people should “eat less” so they can afford to buy organic food.
The outspoken designer made her remarks as she delivered a petition to Downing Street outlining concerns about genetically modified (GM) food in the UK.
Speaking outside of Number 10 on Wednesday, Ms Westwood advised the public to follow what she described as Russell Brand’s ‘rule of thumb’ when it comes to food: “If the Government said it’s good, then you know it’s not.”
But when BBC Radio 5 Live’s Dino Sofos pointed out that not everyone can afford to eat organic, non GM food, Westwood simply responded with: “Eat less.”
Her comment prompted Mr Sofos to advise that thousands in the UK are already going to food banks and can barely afford to buy enough food to feed themselves, meaning “eat less isn’t really an option.”
But Westwood refused to back down. “You’ve got all these processed foods, which is the main reason people are getting fat,” she continued. “They’re not actually good for you – they don’t give you strength, they give you weight.
“I eat vegetables and fruit. I don’t eat meat. I believe meat is bad for me – I don’t eat it. It’s also bad for the animals. But if there was a movement to produce more organic food and less of the horrible food, then organic food would obviously be a good value price, wouldn’t it?”
[From The Independent]
Vivienne is so privileged and distanced from the everyday person that she has no idea what it’s like to struggle for food. Yes, poor people often do not eat as healthy as the affluent do. I talked about food deserts once already. It can be very difficult in many cities to access a grocery store without a car or reliable public transport. Processed foods are much cheaper and easier to transport than fresh ones. Organic veggies are a lot more expensive than non-organic. Grass-fed beef for a a family under the poverty line? Forget it. Dustin Rowles at Pajiba put together a realistic list of food staples that poor people in the US will find very familiar. A box of mac & cheese costs about as much as a couple of Viv’s organic carrots. Viv’s “Eat less” is sort of like “Let them eat cake,” isn’t it?
Photos courtesy of WENN
Please, Vivienne, shut up.
This. She never does, though.
Take your blue lipstick, green teeth and red eyebrows elsewhere.
This
People who have millions but don’t spend a dime on dentistry should keep their mouths shut. Did organic food do that to her teeth??
Wealthy uneducated new agers are the worst.
This!!!!! Wealth seems to create a disturbing disconnect from common sense and humanity. And yes, those teeth don’t make it any easier to hear her trash talk about people and things she knows nothing about.
ROFL! Preach!
Desert is a place with sand. Desserts is a sweet.
“Food deserts” is what she meant. I did a double take with that line, too. But reread that part and hopefully you’ll see what she’s saying.
I can’t tell if you are trying to funny or not? Google food desert so you understand.
She meant places in cities where full grocery stores are not available. Food deserts. Not desserts.
Yes, food deserts are a very real phenomenon in many low-income areas. We’re talking about buying meals at the gas station, in some cases.
Real question… Where do people who live in these areas work? If theres not even so much as a grocery store I can’t imagine theres much else around either? Just curious if anyone knows? Im guessing housing is dirt cheap and thats why they stay?
Yes, areas where there’s “affordable” housing for minimum wage earners in the inner cities, or rural areas, where folks like farmworkers and other day laborers live. Another example of people reliant on food deserts is the retired elderly who don’t drive. Big chain markets don’t want to locate in places where demand is low (people simply can’t afford to buy much). Here’s more…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert
Thanks Santolina! You know what would be cool? If someone took the idea of a food truck and made it into a mobile grocery store. They could drive to these food deserts a few times a week and offer these people more options! No idea if that would be sustainable or even doable but its an idea.
After googling “food trucks + food deserts” I see that this is actually a thing already! Hurah! Hopefully it catches on so no one has to buy their food from gas stations and dollar stores anymore!
Good find, SnarkySnarkers! I hope so, too.
There are no good desserts in a food desert. Unless you like Twinkies.
She didn’t write “deSSerts”, she wrote “deSerts”.
It’s nice to have at least have a clue, when you try to correct someone.
Yes, “let them eat cake” is exactly what I was thinking. Food pantries are more in need of contributions than ever, people can’t even begin to think of “organic” vs “conventional” when they literally don’t know where their next meal might be coming from. She really needs to sit down.
This. My neighbor runs the local soup kitchen where I volunteer, and she is literally begging for donations to feed those in need. She doesn’t care if it’s f-cking Funyuns at this point, she just needs something to put in the hungry people’s bellies. Gah, stfu Vivienne.
Yup, our food pantry does ok this time of year but come spring and summer their shelves tend to be sadly very bare. We try to get collections going then when people aren’t thinking about it as much as they are around Thanksgiving and the holidays.
One of the most heartbreaking volunteer projects I’ve been involved with was the expansion of my church’s food pantry. It looks like a Costco warehouse, it is so huge, complete with forklifts and pallets of (donated) goods. And for as big as it is, we’re constantly seeking more donations. We can’t keep it stocked. So many people are hungry, and working at the food pantry, especially one that is so freaking big, has really driven home for me how difficult it really can be to feed a family.
And when school is not in session, children who receive free school lunches may not be receiving enough food.
mayamae-some schools will keep the program going during the summer. Not all but some do.
This Viv Westwood B needs to sit down! My mother in law is an 2nd grade teacher in a lower income area and says there are kids that tell her the best meal they get is at school because sometimes dinner is rice or beans. She brings in as much food as she can (she barely scrapes by as it is). Its really heartbreaking to think that there are little kids who are supposed to be learning and all they can think about is how hungry they are.
Exactly, and it surprises me that the doyenne of all things punk and progressive has turned into such a posh-sounding Marie Antoinette. She needs a reality check.
Exactly. I’d expect something like this from Goop (I don’t think she’s stupid enough to say this in print though), but not someone who was supposed to be punk.
This is progressive politics.
She’s one of those very famous and influential people who believe they truly do have extraordinary insight into everything, though really they are very intellectually limited. She’s always spouting utter nonsense, and usually tries to paint herself as a deep thinker, and arbiter of high culture.
She’d be great fun if she’d quit this ridiculous fantasy.
Yes that’s sad.
And Vivienne also isn’t taking it into account the need to store or cook fresh food. I volunteer as a driver for an emergency food panty that my church shares with a neighboring church. We deliver enough food to last a few days for clients who are ill, without transportation, or otherwise can’t make it to a regular pantry.
One of the standard questions our call-takers ask is whether or not the family has access to a refrigerator, freezer, oven, etc. because lot of folks are living in a cheap motel or rented room — at most, they might have a tiny fridge and a hot plate or small microwave. Or, they are in a home or apartment that has had the gas or electricity turned off for non-payment. Also, neither of our churches are large — we have limited refrigerator and freezer space to store food before it is delivered.
Some of the local grocery stores and markets donate fresh veggies and fruit, as do our church members. And our clients love to get them. But we can’t deliver anything that is too perishable or requires cooking to those who don’t have access to storage or cooking facilities.
Another thing a lot of people conveniently forget is the working poor are often working 3 jobs to keep a roof over their heads. Where in the world does one person with 3 jobs find time to cook every meal?
Wow…that really makes sense, and yet I had never thought of it
Are you not aware that there are plenty of middle class people with big fridges and freezers and pantries full of processed foods and no organic food? All you have to do is go to a grocery store and watch. Its not only people without money or kitchens or options who eat TONS of bad stuff and no good stuff. Is it still wrong for her to criticize these people? People who’d buy 2 brand new cars and never feed their kids organic fruit?
You bet she’s saying “let them eat cake”. It’s difficult to store your organic vegetables at the proper temperature when your electricity has been cut off.
Or instead of telling people to eat less, maybe actually a propose a plan on how people below or at the poverty line can make more money. Maybe you should write a letter to congress about minimum wages being increased. Or come up with a solution on how more jobs can be created. That would be a lot more useful to poor people than simply eating less.
Her involvement and level of attention on this ends at the end of her thought. To say this is a problem is fine, but where do we go from there? Eat well or starve? I like her clothes, but this woman is abrasive at best.
“Ends at the end of her thought”…love that. It’s true that she is presenting her perspective of the problem, and yet offering up no solutions (except of course eating less…try telling a teenager that!)
Minimum wage? Congress? She’s British.
You’re right about us not having a Congress but we *do* have a minimum wage :/
this makes me sad, as someone who tries hard to feed 2 kids well and sometimes has to cut corners. And I am relatively fortunate, despite some recent hard luck. She seems out of touch.
You don’t have to be sad, you are doing your best.
As someone who has struggled with bills to pay, and being vegeterian, I remember the judgmental look I received sometimes by certain friends because I went to shop at the big mall instead they used to go only at certain market, or “chez le producteur” and they were sooo better than me. We all try to do our best.
Yeah I’m a bit tired of the organic food snobbery too.
Don’t you let that foolish ugly clothes designer make you feel bad, Birdix. I’m sure you do a beautiful job and she is exaggerating and feeling self-righteous because she has no sensitivity to other people’s struggles. She reuses her husband’s bath water, ffs. Old bat. You’re doing great.
This makes me sad as well. I only have myself and my daughter to feed, but I am a single mother and I try to find the money to buy food that is good for us and a lot of times, I simply don’t have the money to do so. We have never been hungry or gone without, but it is definitely not organic anything.
Me too. We’ve had a year of bad luck and I used to try and buy organic when I could, but right now organic is not even a thought in my mind. I’m sure my son would really appreciate me telling him he only gets to eat 2 carrots (but it’s organic!) as opposed to a meal. She needs to STFU.
My apologies, but I have to caps lock .
STOP BEING SAD.
You are all doing your best, don’t waste time feeling bad about an old rich lady statement. She is out of the real world.
@Mrs B: my mum comes from a poor family (at least they didn’t have much money when she was a kid, but with time things got better), and she tells me that when she was a child her mother (my beloved grandma) on the day she received the salary, used to gave her the right money to buy 100gr of ham, only for her. Once a month she was allowed to go to the grocery and buy a little bit of really fancy stuff. And she says always my grandma gave her the most amazing childhood ever.
What a sweet story! My husband also came from a poor background and he has similar feelings. He didn’t even realize till he was older that his family was “poor” and he said he usually only got 1 present for Christmas but was so grateful for it. Just shows that all kids really need is a lot of love!
Don’t feel sad Birdix. You are doing what you have to to survive. Something Ms. Westwood can’t possibly empathize with since she lives in her own elite land of make believe. My family just went through a very rough year, both hubby and me losing our jobs and though regaining employment after 6 months of searching, at 25% of our former wages. We’ve had to make some serious changes. I’m not sure of your situation, but here are some things I did to cut corners.
1. Plant a garden. Even if you only have a balcony in an apartment complex, you can plant tomatoes, lettuce, various peppers, broccoli, cauliflower and all kinds of other greens in containers. You only have to make the initial investment of containers, soil and seeds. You may also look into forming a neighborhood co-op. You’ll all eat healthier and there is a great sense of accomplishment in harvesting your own food. I use a pesticide made of vinegar, water and diced jalapeno peppers. You can also use dish soap and water. All inexpensive and organic.
2. Clip coupons and educate yourself on your local stores’ policies. You can get great deals.
3. Pick 1 day a week and cook in bulk. I make huge vats of spaghetti sauce, using generic cans of tomatoes together with fresh garlic and onions, carrots, peppers, basil & oregano harvested from the garden. Then I’ll cook up 2 boxes of pasta, mix everything in the big pot. We have our 1st meal, then once the rest cools, divide it up into 4-5 separate vacuum sealed bags (I have Black & Decker’s generic version of the Foodsaver) and freeze them. I now have 4-5 “boil-in-the-bag for 20 minutes” meals ready to go at a fraction of the cost of name brand sauce or eating out when you have those nights you just don’t want to cook.
4. If you have a Costco close by, join. If you can’t afford a membership, jointly buy one with a trusted relative or friend. Then plan your trips together where you can get more bang for your buck splitting the cost. The chicken (whole, wings, breasts, thighs, drums) is packaged for easy division and other meats such as pork or steak can be divided up, then vacuum sealed in whatever portions you need. I can’t stress enough how wonderful my sealer is. I’ve had it for 10 years.
5. If a garden isn’t an option and you have an Aldi in your area, go. I’ve saved up to 50% on produce compared to Publix and they start their cashiers at $12 per hour. The last job fair had a line out the door and wrapped around the building.
Good luck and know you are not alone.
This is why I cannot stand it when people like Westwood dispense diet advice. All she does is tell people what most of us already know, while heaping on a huge layer of unnecessary guilt. She sucks.
Also, there are only certain foods that are worth buying organic (the “dirty dozen” or foods more prone to heavy pesticide treatments). Hint: foods that are grown beneath the earth (root vegg etc) are excluded so don’t waste your money on organic squash or organic beets. However, while celery is technically grown beneath soil, it is notoriously hard to grow, hence the pesticides, etc.
Here is a link in case anyone is interested:
http://www.eatingwell.com/food_news_origins/organic_natural/dirty_dozen_plus_14_foods_you_should_buy_organic?page=8
such lovely empathy and great advice. thanks cele-bs!
@Birdix The other thing I suggest is making soups & then freezing the leftover portions (it’s a great way to stretch out the veggies and tinned lentils & beans make the soup filling. I don’t eat meat personally however it assume it’s a good way of stretching out meat too!). Nigella’s slut spagetti recipe is a great recipe that’s cheap & freezable. Like everyone else has said you’re doing your best and have nothing to feel guilty. I’m broke & can’t afford a fridge and barely manage to feed myself. I can’t imagine how hard it is broke & have to feed others.
Ok Vivienne I’ll send you the bill.
precisely this!
She’s a twit. Yes, there are foods that should probably cost more, and meat is chief among them. But that’s not because it’s non-organic. That’s because the subsidies help artificially lower the price, demand unnaturally grows and the conditions under which it’s produced will suffer. “Fast Food Nation” delves into how industrialized our meat production system has become and how that sucks for everyone involved – the animals, the environment and the people that have to process the animals. Slaughterhouse workers are pretty mistreated, and the super-high demand for meat is a part of that. However, if that is what she meant, she could have phrased it in a much more tactful way. As to her other stuff, she can right STFU, in my mind.
Well there are two sides of the coin here. Ppl who are under poverty line or in food desserts cannot afford to choose. They will eat junk food or what else, starve? I understand that.But, there are a lot of ppl in the middle ground who can access some supermarkets and buy real food (not organic necessarily, just regular veggies, beans, meat) and cook for themselves but instead choose to eat the junk food cos its easier to prepare and think it costs less (no, it doesnt, its such a fallacy! Especially if you buy regular and not organic) These are the ppl driving the food industries terrible afflictions forward by supporting the junkfood. If someone actually commits to it, cooking from scratch is not that hard or as time consuming as you think. You set aside half a day in the weekend and cook for the week. But no, that half a day is allocated to tons of pointless drivel instead of actually taking care of your health. Because it is so damn hard to actually go to a supermarket and just buy normal food and cook it, when you can afford or access it.
And yes I agree with if the government says its good for you then its not. The big conglomarates have such lobbying power now, theres no way the government actually can pass the right incentives to make ppl (not under the poverty line ppl but middle class) eat better. They know damn well they are promoting unhealthy habbits but are powerless stop subsidising them.
Fair points, and she could have been referring to people who are too busy or too lazy to cook “real food.” I’m not sure that’s where she was going with her comments, though, since supposedly the interviewer brought up how many people in the UK were relying on food banks.
Im not defending her per se, if thats what she was saying, she articulated herself very badly. But there are some truths in there and I just wanted to expand on them. The “let them eat cake” attitude is never excusable.
I mean, why would anyone say that about people that go to a food bank. Obviously no one would talk about “choices” in reference to people who have no choice, live in a food desert, have no money, etc. she’s referring to people who have choice and go to a store choose to buy kraft dinner or cheap meat or non organic (whatever it is she thinks isn’t healthy ?) the way she is criticized here is as if she had said “ppl should exercise,” and the response was “what about people who are handicapped or bedridden, HUH? Those people can’t exercise even if they wanted to, how dare you say this”
She probably is aware of food deserts and is speaking about people who go to a big grocer and constantly choose the wrong stuff. Look at what a grocer carries and you will understand that even in big cities with tons of cheap veggies, many , many (based on how many large stores have tons of junk) ppl make their own food deserts for themselves and their kids. Schools and preschools and nurses all dentist say, just give your kids water and milk . But in almost every juice section There’s also mega packs of fruit drink, sugar water that looks like juice and is packaged like juice and kids don’t even need juice to begin with but people buy mega packs of this for their kids, when water is free. I bet she’s referring to this kind of phenomenon.
+1 Dolce crema.
Good post, Nur.
If VW is saying buy organic at whatever the cost and just eat less, then she is sadly out of touch in a very deep way. But her last two comments that were quoted don’t seem bad at all, really. What would the UK or US look like if there was as much subsidizing of organic fruits and vegetables as they do now for, say, corn? If as many marketing $$ went into promoting healthy, simple ingredients and meals, as is spent by fast food and soft drink companies? I think both our own health and the health of our planet would be markedly better.
this.
i was intrigued by the last comment and wondered how realistic it was. i also have to say she doesn’t seem aware of how her comments could be viewed and she needs to better prepare and articulate her statements.
Oh, man. She really has foot in mouth syndrome, doesn’t she?
Europe has its own subsidy problems with food production, in the form of the EU CAP. And there is a lot of research to suggest that it benefits agribusiness, thus pricing local production out of the market. The EU also has sourcing rules, meaning that government institutions – schools and hospitals, for instance – can’t even CHOOSE to support local and/or organic food, thus further pricing “good” food out of the market.
Vivienne isn’t as green as she’s cabbage-looking (see what I did there?!) and she almost certainly understands all this. But, as you say, however true this all is, there are millions of people whose income traps them. It’s not like they can fight The Man by not bloody eating, is it? SIGH.
I’m a parent governor (I think it’s a bit like US schoolboards?) of a local school. This year, we’ve started an optional course for the kids applying to university: how to eat healthily on less than £20 per week (and not spend too much valuable social time on cooking). And it’s not easy.
Laughing at the cabbage-looking, but per usual, spot on post, Sixer. Where I live, some of the communities have fund raisers (where people dig deep) to collect money for locally sourced meat & veggies, as opposed to the the government subsidized sh-t that’s being tossed into the cafeterias. Makes a huge difference (here), especially as a large portion of the students are Native Americans and have totally different dietary needs as people of other races.
And what a shame that this has to happen, isn’t it?
I am lucky in a food sense: I have enough money to buy what I want and I live in an area with lots of small food producers (de facto organic even if not certified); I have an allotment (I think you guys call those community gardens?).
I haven’t eaten any factory-farmed meat, indeed, any meat produced more than 20 miles from my home, in years. I grow about 60% of the fruit and vegetables I eat. But does this give me the right to snot on people living in the city and trying to get by on minimum wage? I don’t think so.
Just because something is organic-doesn’t mean it’s more healthy. (there have been studies that show that isn’t any real nutritional benefits to organic food) Less exposure to pesticides yes definitely, but just a blanket ‘more healthy’? Science doesn’t back that up.
I personally have never heard anyone try to claim that organic is more healthy, only more “clean.” Which could be considered more healthy, imo, even if not technically more nutrient-rich.
arsenic is organic!
Actually, arsenic is inorganic …. 🙂 Sorry, couldn’t resist the chemistry joke!
Right. The idea here it to just start getting people to eat less processed foods period, rather than go full farmer’s market. And even that is a sentiment aimed at the lower to middle class, not the poor, who are just trying to scrape together a meal.
The idea can also be less pesticides
Pesticides and nutritional value are 2 separate issues.
Organic is not by and large healthier, IIRC. It’s nutritional profile is basically the same as conventional. The benefits of organic are largely not an issue of health. It has far more to do with things like preserving natural lines of foods, preventing possible chemical contamination of the environment, possible pesticide exposure as a cause of disease (there’s now some research that questions whether pre-natal pesticide exposure is a contributor to conditions like ADHD, autism, etc.) To me, that’s the far stronger argument for organic agriculture.
+1000 you said it much better than me.
Completely agree. I’ve seen several news reports over the years that essentially said “it doesn’t have more nutrients, so why bother?” but it’s all about the chemicals. Better for people, better for the environment.
Yes exactly.
What Sam said.
In my opinion organic food is more about the environemnt than the benefit for humans. Unfortunatley organic food is too expensive for most people. The government should help farmers that are green. What will we eat when we poluted our whole environment with our toxins? All the grounds and water?
I get that most people cant afford it but i also get what she is trying to say. Its a difficult arguement.
If you just care about the nutrisons for your body you can aswell just use non-organical unprocessed ingredients for your cooking.
Sorry if this was written poorly. English is not my first language.
Really? There was a big study done showing that tomatoes that are produced organically have more nutrients than those that are conventionally produced. It had to do with how filmy the skins are, and how they absorbed chemicals, I think. Also, didn’t they arrive at the same conclusion for other delicate fruits, like blueberries, strawberries, and raspberries? I thought they were headed in that direction.
Interesting, I hadn’t heard about this, but it makes sense.
Yes, I heard about that too. Its also to do with the soil. When you do non organic farming, you deplete the soil from all ingredients apart from the standard NPK that they add to it, whereas organic farming also nourishes the soil, which in turn nourishes the product.
But thats step two. First step shoud be reducing the power of the big food conglomarates, so that their product may be a life save for ppl under poverty line but not a first choice or only choice (as in most schools for example) for more middle class ppl. Without reducing their power or forcing them towards change, the local or green farming will never be subsidised and will be out of reach for so many ppl. And my point in the post a few steps above was that it wont be the governments or the officials who will force that change, its obvious by now. It must be done via consumers and their purchases. If we cant change the way majority of average ppl eat, the push will never come.
Nur: the state of the soil is absolutely key. Commercial farming tends to deplete the soil of nutrients which in turn is reflected in the fruit/vegetables that soil produces.
I tend to make jokes about the fact that my parents’ country of origin is too poor to afford commercial farming or pesticides, but I buy all my fruit and vegetables from the one shop in London that brings in their produce. The difference in the taste, the richness of the fruit/vegetables is astonishing even when I compare it to the nearest organic store (Plant Organic) near me.
And when I gift my friends with some of the produce, they can’t believe that is how it’s meant to taste and that I haven’t added anything to it.
Sadly, the USA has now signed a contract with the country to start commercial farming the land and also to use only GM products in the intended farms which makes me very sad because in a few years all that goodness will disappear and we shall no longer be known as the *food basket of Africa.
*This was coined by Winston Churchill, but it stands even today. The land is so ridiculously fertile and is maintained so due to little commercial farming. People produce enough for themselves and for market without resorting to huge farms, the surplus is exported to surrounding countries.
Famine, even during the decades long civil war, is unheard of.
Yes, I joined a vegetable CSA this summer and got a box of organic produce from a local-ish farm every week. They rotate crops and grow cover crops to enrich the soil, which they say “benefits soil tilth, microbial life, nitrogen fixing, biomass, bee life, and more.” They have never come out and said that organic produce has more nutrients, the focus is more on supporting a local farm with its sustainable techniques and not having to rely on big agribusiness.
Could it be a gmo issue?
Who’s to say how a particular farmer grows his ‘organic’ food? Unless I’ve been to the farm and seen the process, I’m supposed to take the farmer’s word for it. All I really know is that organic costs more and I’m not exactly sure why….after all, they’re saving a ton of money on pesticides and the like, are they not? I’m lesser inclined to believe what I’m told about anything every single day.
I’m not sure about all countries but I know that in N.Z at least, you have to meet very strict guidelines if you actually want to be certified as an organic farmer (dependent on what you farm/produce). It’s definitely not a case of just saying “hey guys, I’m totes organic now…” The certification process can also be quite lengthy too.
She’s a blithering f*ck.
Yes, people should have control, they should educate themselves, they should be healthy and make healthy choices. However, many people are unable to do so for whatever reasons.
Children do not ask to be born and they should not have to starve. Period.
Go ORGANIC OR be what , hungry, maybe a little malnutrition. .. have a side of death perhaps depending on how poor you are. The only thing that she explained is that she should not be associated with programs like ” feed the world”, and that she should kindly shut up!
Well said!
She has red eyebrows, black lips and brown teeth… I don’t believe I need any advice she has to offer.
She has a point about not eating processed foods. But there is no proof that people who eat organic are any healthier than people who don’t.
Well, for sure lobbies in the food industry do not finance any research about organic food and most goverments are not interested in finding out where the truth is.
Ditto! Even most of the research that is somehow done and shows negative results about those conglomarates are effectively pushed into a black hole by manipulation, lobbying and subtle threats.
Think about WHO, that recently tried to propose reducing sugar in processed food and cut back daily allowance of sugar to 10% in all calories and then got cornered and had to withdraw the initial proposal and “tweek” it.
She sounds like a truly terrible human being.
The conservation should be more about income and how the standard of living does not live up to what the middle class makes. Those in the upper class of society really should shut up because they have no idea that those who have full time jobs (especially those armed with a college degree) cannot afford to eat organically while at the same time trying to find a decent place to live within their budget.
What an asshole. Is she even aware that people are starving to death in UK?
Eeeeeeehh….no.
I bet those people she mentions are already saving the planet in a way, saving and reusing clothes.
It is sad, but some people just eat to have energy to be able to work, lots of carbohydrates to go and do their (many times) physical work.
When one of my nieces was with her boyfriend, they went out but did not have much money, so they ended eating cheap junk food, the salads restaurants were more expensive. This is mostly true in many parts of the world, probably.
#VivienneTips is an evil version of #PippaTips.
^This!
In an ideal world, sure, everything would be organic and affordable to all, but her “eat less” comments show a real disconnect with the reality so many face.
To all the people doing their best to feed your family on what little you have……stand proud! Also feel blessed because there are people out there dying from starvatiopn. And it not because they were lazy peasants who decide not to go organic. Viv sound like a a overpriviledged, entitled smug ass. I hope in the next life she comes back as a missionary and learn about compassion.
Please go wander off into the sunset!
Are veggies that exorbitantly expensive in the US? As a student, I could only spent 10 € a day. And this included everything, food, busticket, books, toothpaste etc. I ate way less than I do now and way healthier, however I could not afford buying meat. It was couscous with tomato sauce, beans, feta and veggies almost every day because this is super cheap food Going to McD or eating frozen pizza would have been way more expensive. That
said, you can eat cheap healthy food if you are willing to really cook.
In the states, there is a thing called food deserts. Its were there isnt a grocery store for a long way. So people in these areas are forced to buy at their local conveience store instead. Most dont even have vegetables.
Or the grocery stores that are there have lousy selections, even if you wanted to buy healthier food. There are Kroger stores in my city, but the selection is so different, meaning less healthy, than the Kroger stores in the suburbs. So you have to go out to the suburbs to get better food. And if you’re on a bus, it’s really a pain. I’m lucky, I have a friend who takes me food shopping, but for those who don’t have that option, taking the bus (es) to get better food may simply be too inconvenient/time consuming to do, at least on a regular basis.
I was a bit shocked at food prices in Europe when I lived there actually, fresh food seemed very cheap but processed food seemed very expensive. Here in the U.S. we have corn subsidies which make high fructose corn syrup dirt cheap, so anything made with it is also cheap. We’re talking highly processed junk food. That’s what’s cheap here. Fresh vegetables and fruits seem comparatively expensive because of this. When a poor person sees how many packages of cookies they will get versus how many green peppers they will get for the same price, it’s obvious that the cookies will provide more meals on a limited budget. If we’re counting calories, the cookies have way more to offer per dollar. To a person who won’t see any more money for a week or two, it is much easier to survive on those cookies. Not to mention cooking things requires other ingredients which don’t cost a lot but the upfront investment for them may be out of reach. And that’s assuming someone has access to a cooking source beyond a microwave. This is why we have such a huge problem with obesity-related illnesses including diabetes and heart problems. It’s not as easy as just assuming we can educate people and they will eat healthier. The economic factors are much harder to work with. A woman recently published a cookbook with meals made only out of ingredients that can be purchased with food stamps, and it was considered pretty revolutionary.
And yes as Andrea says, food deserts are a major problem in lower income communities. These are places where there is little to no public transportation, few people have access to cars, and even getting to the cheap gas station convenience store could be a long walk. And at that cheap convenience store, the only vegetables come fried. In a bag. In the potato chip aisle. The nearest real grocery store could be 10 + miles away. People with limited transportation and time simply cannot access a place so far away.
There are a lot of ideas being floated around, including programs to import fresh produce into these convenience stores, plus half-price food stamp costs for healthy foods (so if a pound of green beans normally costs 4 stamps, the idea is to reduce it to 2 stamps).
Nice comment. One thing someone tried in Chicago was traveling produce buses that went to low-income/food desert areas and set up as a temporary produce stands. They even got a grant so that people who used food stamps got double the value for fruit and vegetable purchases.
Sadly they folded because they lost the public funding they’d gotten to start up; they couldn’t turn a profit from the tiny margins on produce sales and private donations weren’t enough to allow them to survive.
That sounds really bad, however I think if you really want it, you can still make an effort and try. Frozen veggies are also a good option and I guess almost everyone in the US has a freezer. Aren’t most people, especially in rural areas living in houses? You can grow your own vegetables. I mean I understand it is really shitty but it is not like you are living in a 3 world country and have no choice and means whatsoever.
Claudia: as I mentioned above, my parents’ country of origin is too poor to afford commercial farming or even pesticides, BUT! Nearly everyone has access to their own plot of land that they grow food on.
It might be 3rd world, but no one is starving or has nutrition related illnesses. It’s frankly shocking the low level nutritional value of ‘fresh fruit/vegetables’ grown in 1st world countries. The soil has been so devalued to extent that it’s nearly worthless, and that’s reflected in the resultant fruit/vegetables.
I live in the US Midwest in a smallish town. The produce prices are much higher now than ten years ago. An avocado is usually $2, sometimes on sale for $1.67 or rarely $1. A red, orange, or yellow sweet pepper is usually $2. A green pepper or a regular cucumber is usually $0.88. A burpless English cucumber is $2, occasionally on sale for less. 8 ounces of mushrooms is $1.88. Bagged carrots are close to $2 per pound. Tomatoes are typically $2.50 to 3 per pound, sometimes on sale for $1.67 or even lower. Celery hearts (two per package) are usually $2.50, sometimes $2. Grapes are around $3 per pound except when on sale (then $2 to $2.50, very rarely $0.99 to $1.25). Apples are usually $2 to $3 or more per pound (bank loan required for Honeycrisp), sometimes on sale (local ones have been sold at $0.99 to $1.50). You can get 3 pound bags for less but they usually don’t taste like much. Zucchini is usually $1.49 to $2 per pound, sometimes on sale at $1.25. Strawberries are usually $4 per pound, sometimes on sale at $2. Blueberries are usually $3 per 6 ounces, sometimes on sale for less. Watermelon, honeydew melon, and the green one are usually really expensive, sometimes on sale for a lot less (watermelon for $0.65 to $0.99 per pound, the others don’t go that low). Stone fruit (peaches, plums, nectarines) are usually $3 per pound except for rare sales. Sweet vidalia onions are usually $1.50 per pound, and the price isn’t much less in 4 lb bags (which always have some rotten ones hidden inside). Baking potatoes are on sale at $1 per pound, don’t know the regular price. Big bags of potatoes are cheaper. Sweet potatoes or yams are usually more expensive than white potatoes. A big lemon is $1 on sale, at least $1.25 ordinarily. A big naval orange is usually $1.25. Smaller citrus fruit in prepacks are cheaper. Bananas are usually $0.59 per pound.
Anyway, produce prices used to be significantly less and in this area, the paychecks haven’t been increasing. The average income in my state is $25,000 per year. I am not at all surprised that produce is not a priority in tough economic times. You just can’t get enough calories for the money, except if you buy big bags of white potatoes.
Those prices are not shocking to me, at all. Where I live, we pay the same. 250 g (about half a pound) tomatoes cost 3 € for example. Except you pay in Euro, so it is even more expensive and the average income is also 25,000 € and this is BEFORE taxes, after taxes about 17,000 € is left. For a 2-room apartment (about 60 qm) you pay about 800 € rent per month. Still, not all people are living off fast food and frozen pizza, because as I said elsewhere, cooking yourself is cheaper. I understand that the shitty food industry has a huge impact in the US on people’s daily eating habits, however you still have a choice.
I can’t get past her make up choices.
Eat less and buy weird psychedelic shoes.
So fat and poor is bad??
As a privileged woman totally out of reality she shouldn’t be asked these type of questions, I mean, Who cares about what this snob thinks abouth the food we consume? and why media let these people have a say about our lifestyles?
Anyway, she could be worse…she could be Bernie Ecclestone, his last interview in the Campaign Asia-Pacific magazine is the worst I’ve read in my entire life and I’ve read a lot of bulsh*t…
A woman that had a private chef and is now living in a taxpayer subsidized mansion is shaping American school lunch policy- I agree she should keep her privileged hands off the program.
There seems to be some debate as to whether organic foods are actually better overall. Either from an environmental or health perspective.
Most of the corn in the US goes to ethanol or cattle feed. The field corn used for feed and ethanol isn’t the sweet corn used for human consumption. I think the US government is much more interested in propping up the meat and ethanol industries than protecting Coca-Cola from impending doom. (And the subsidies do make a huge difference… with the development of ethanol products — every spec of land in the rural Midwest seems to have corn on it in the last 10 years.)
I live in the poorest city in my state. I am 62 years old and was laid off from my job in August. I am a vegetarian because of a moral belief that is is wrong that animals are abused and slaughtered for their meat. It is a struggle to find affordable food and I cannot eat organic. But, organic SHOULD be affordable. It is wrong that our food is controlled by massive agribusinesses only interested in the bottom line. I hate to see the issue of organic food be argued in the shadow of Westwoods insipid remarks. It would behoove her to take a portion of her great wealth and establish food pantries that offer meatless and organic foods to the poor and struggling.
I don’t know much about her other than as “that old female designer who wears crazy clothes”. Seriously she wears the weirdest outfits. I remember a few years ago when she had that orange hair. Jeez.
I think I know where she is coming from with the ‘eat less’ when it comes to unorganic and GM foods. These foods are quite dangerous to health to be blunt.
It’s no news that today our environment is detoriating at the speed of light. Add the free radicals and toxins to the amount of processed foods in consumption and what we have is a very lethal ‘portion’.
To my understanding she means the least we can do to be on a safer side is to eat less of ‘these’ foods.
But regardless, she missed the memo that a good number of people can hardly afford their daily meal and filling the stomach is their goal when it comes to feeding. In this dire situation quantity is much more important than quality. It’s the sad reality of the world we live in.
The woman looks like she’s just been exhumed. Rich or poor, I certainly wouldn’t want to follow any of her advice on healthy living.
And yeah, her comments are insensitive and obnoxious.
Maybe if she moved her clothing production from Italy ( often made by illegal immigrants from China under deplorable conditions) and moved all her production back to the UK and paid people a livable wage with job security more people would be able to afford to eat all organic food.
Or would that cut into the huge profit made by exploiting people?Or maybe she and Jamie Oliver could start some not for profit grocery stores in the UK so everyone could eat like they do.
I am a massive food geek and would try to come up with recipes using some food bank staples. One thing I learned from volunteering is that not too many poor people have the pots and pans, working ovens and stoves or the money to use a working oven or stove to be able to cook a healthy meal every day. So I would say ” It’s so easy to make stock and broths.” and I was getting the side eye. I am grateful to the families I worked with for showing me how freaking hard it is to be working multiple jobs, trying to manage child care, praying you don’t get sick because you don’t have any sick time, praying your kids or parents don’t get sick and then for some have to deal with a special needs child or ill family members. The stress level they were forced to live under was overwhelming.
Miss Westwood can put up or shut up. If she isn’t doing anything real to help real people she can eat a bag of organic d*cks.
Well said – im still waiting for one of these loud mouthed judgemental celebrities to put their money where their mouth is and do something real to help people – theye so full of bs, westwood has enough money to make a big difference also jamie oliver – hav u seen his latest tv series – comfort food? Jesus, talk about self-indulgence? They have no f##””/$ kin idea.
I kind of liked Oliver until his previous book came out and he moaned about poor people eating chips and said the immigrants who worked for him worked two and three jobs without complaining. All I wondered about was how poorly the employees of a multimillionaire were paid that they had to work three jobs to get by.
Jamie oliver is th ultimate bulls#$@ter- he is so full of it – has his lovely little kids featuring in all his programmes in his gorgeous house and grounds while trying to make out hes just like the rest of us.,, its easy to make choices when money is no object.. he is absolutely loaded. Him and westwood should go down to th local soup kitchen and feed the local needy with organic food.
I’m all for eating as healthfully and naturally as possible, but given the choice between my kids getting a couple pieces of organic broccoli versus a filling meal of frozen fish sticks and fries or whatever she deems not good enough, I’ll go with the second option.
My question is why should we be listening to this woman who looks like death warmed over? I’ll never undersand why famous people or even not so famous people think the world buys into their thoughts and opinions. I don’t even know who she is and I don’t care. I wouldn’t care if the President of the U.S. told me how I should be eating. It’s not anybody elsen’s business, she doesn’t know my life, she can’t relate to my life, and she’s not an expert on nutrition. Just like I could opine about the abuse of makeup but I doubt she’d care about my thoughts on that. Same here. STFU and please…sit down.
So is there something wrong with getting dental work work? Bad teeth can cause heart problems and a host of other issues. Just saying.
Ugh..what on over privileged b*tch. She needs a reality check STAT! We are a very healthy family. I buy minimal processed food, and cook the majority from scratch, and you know what ? It is expensive! I have to cut corners to afford to buy “regular groceries” never mind purchasing only organic. My family is all on the low end of our BMI’s and I don’t think it would be healthy for us to eat less, as she suggests.My husband has a physically demanding job, and he needs extra calories to maintain his energy. Although I am sure this lady has never had the burden of demanding work. How about she just realize that most families are doing the best they can, with enough pressures in the world that we don’t need to listen to some pompous a$$ like her.
Well didn’t she just get me all worked up!
I’m probably going to get flack for this, but in a way, I understand what Westwood is saying (or at least what I THINK she is TRYING to say). Most people have NO clue about food production. They really have no idea what it takes to raise an animal, grow a crop etc. And I’m not saying that to shame people for not knowing, it’s just the truth. I’m not saying I’m an expert either, but I grew up on a grain and cattle farm, and my family still farms. When it comes to raising meat, it takes a lot out of the land. For instance, cattle are natural grazers – they NEED to be out in the field eating hay/grasss. Feeding them corn and grains isn’t natural for them (and sadly, most USA produced beef is corn fed). So say a herd of 100 head of cattle (which we would be considered a SMALL family farm), they need a lot of land for the spring/summer/fall to graze on. That will then take away from vegetable and grain production meant for human consumption. You then also have to have land to grow grains/corn/hay that you will feed the cattle in the winter, when grazing is not possible. A lot of water is required for cattle, for them to drink and to water the crops that will feed them. Corn in particular requires even more water than other crops (corn is a double edged sword, it’s not good for cattle and it needs so much water). So if you are eating corn fed beef, you are indirectly consuming even more vast amounts of water. If you aren’t an organic farmer, herbicides and pesticides are used. Anyway, my point is, meat production is hard on the Earth, and we people in North America eat A LOT of meat, often much more than our bodies actually need.
Is Westwood maybe trying to say that we should cut down on our meat eating habits? And if she isn’t and is just being an entitled pompous ass (which she probably is), it’s still a compelling argument, the fact that meat production takes so much out of Earth.
Wow that was harsh! I don’t think Littlestar said anything to warrant that reaction.. Seriously. Relax.
Nope. I will not shut up :D.
I wrote below how subsidies in the US, plus ranchers being able to use public lands really cheaply, have enabled them to sell beef for a hell of a lot less than it should cost. Now factor in what those cows are doing to our public lands and what is being done to our mustangs, wolves, and other wildlife just so people can have their steaks and burgers cheap.
Littlestar, Everything you say is important. I’m a vegetarian but the rest of my family are “meat-atarians’ (as my son once said) and I have slowly been trying to get them to reduce their meat consumption. I totally agree that it’s not necessary.
“Most people have NO clue about food production”
They don’t, something I believe Mark Bittmann has tried to point out, and more diplomatically.
But I’m not sure what she actually means because if she is trying to say this she’s very bad at expressing herself.
Littlestar: ignore that Georgeanna person.
What you wrote was really educational for me. I’m a life long vegetarian for various reasons most of which have nothing to do with animal husbandry, but it was really informative to learn alittle about how a cattle farm works.
I’m more familiar with crop farming, and even then, not the commercial kind, so everything you say makes a lot of sense.
My experience tells me that in addition to lack of knowledge about food production, the removal of cooking classes and nutrition in schools has also contributed to the degeneration of food consumption.
It is far easier to buy processed food than to cook from scratch. That’s not the fault of poor people, it the fault of the food industry that has made it so. When you compare the way food was cooked during rationing in the 40s and the 50s vs now, it makes you wonder at the way we’ve moved backwards as far as being able to feed ourselves in a time of plenty vs a time when there was very little, but everyone was taught how to cook and provided with food production knowledge so that they could make the best choices based upon the little resources they had.
Here is my bottom line: I’d never trust a person with Bad Eyebrows to tell me SHIT about life
LMAO
People who can’t afford bad PR should keep their mouths shut.
Just sayin’.
there’s one other thing: if all food production were to go organic tomorrow, we would be able to feed 5 billion people. perhaps ms. w would like to be the one to inform the other 2 billion that they’re going to have to go on a no-food diet?
is food shaming a thing now? why can’t we mind our own business about what people eat? just wondering.
& many blessings upon those working food pantries. you are angels. it breaks my heart to be in line at the supermarket behind a very old lady with 7 coupons for 2 cans of tuna.
for those who want everybody to cook, please know that many elderly people do not have the physical strength for this process anymore. they’re not “lazy.”
Another 1% moron. A shame, too, because I love her designs.
Another delusional bish. Reminds me when Barbara Bush said the refugees of Hurricane Katrina wouldn’t offended by the disgusting dirty provisions they were given….they’re used to it she said as I remember. These rich unaware imbeciles are aware that they can’t take their privileges to the grave aren’t they?
You remember poorly.
Lady L: Try this on for size. Fat, well fed, poorly bred Barb’s own words: Regarding the people left homeless by the hurricane living in the stadium: “Most of the people were underprivileged anyway, so this is working out well for them.” Something tells me you would say the same thing. Hope your heart unfreezes.
I do remember, ugh.
She lives in the UK. So I can see why she would say eat organic. Food in the food stores there is beyond what the US offers. It is healthy in the UK. Its pretty much all local food, local dairy etc. There is a freshness in the food be it the English country side or London.
Americans have a lot to learn about food from Europe.
The US should tax sugar.
As for her comment on meat-stupid.
Well, here in the States, if it weren’t for subsidies and ranchers being able to use public lands for cheap (at the expense of our wild horses and wolves, etc. ) a hamburger would cost at least 20 bucks, so Westwood does have a point there.
Am I above low-hanging fruit?
Maybe she can direct us to the best grazing land when she’s put out to pasture.
Looks like I’m not.
I really can’t say how much I loathe this woman.
Rich people should stop telling poor people what to do. Full stop.
Please stick to designing dresses. Just like actresses should stick to acting and singers to singing and stop telling everyone else what to do just because a nosy reporter sticks a mike in your face.
Thank you celebrities.
I read it as just eat less organic food if you can’t afford all organic, which is what I tell people too. Dunno if that’s what she meant. The food assistance program here is starting to have a special category for produce, so you can only spend money in that category on fresh fruit and veg (you can use the rest on such things also, but the idea is to encourage people to at least get some produce despite the price),
The pesticide load is awfully high in the US- increasing problems with wheat might actually be due to the pesticides incorporated in the flour for many people. Organically grown food usually tastes a lot better, especially carrots and tomatoes. But the pesticides are just one of many problems with our current environment (and actually might be related to obesity increases, they can alter body processes), and people have to first get all the calories they need. Education on how to eat smart on a small budget is important since a lot isn’t obvious. Juice isn’t really that great for you, for instance, you’re much better off with water and as many fruits/veg you can buy. Fresh and frozen may be best, but canned is a good option – just rinse off all the junky sugar and salt.
Parents just have to do the best they can with what they have. It’s so much harder today than when I was a kid, with all the tv commercials persuading kids to eat junky food they’ve finagled a “healthy” label for. Kids want to eat what their friends eat, which a major problem for kids with allergies etc. also but really hard for parents without much cash. If a kid is convinced that Twinkies are a must-have item, despite the lack of nutritional value other than calories – good luck.
For someone who is so worried about the animals that she doesn’t eat meat, she sure does lend her name to a lot of leather accessories.
Most (middle class) people eat way more meat and more protein than they need
Try cutting out some meat, I have some hemp and chia in yoghurt, eat a few nuts, make some hearty whole grain muffins with 1/8 the sugar in the recipe, eat an egg or two a few times a week , chicken or fish 3 times a week is fine. Grate some mozzarella on my salad every day too. I used to eat meat almost every day, 1-3 times! but a small portion of raw sushi or organic chicken thighs 2-3 times a week is really enough. I don’t even eat tofu or soy fake meats very often. I discovered protein is over rated, though necessary. Read “skinny bitch” the diet book. It’s a very interesting point of view.
If eating organic food makes you turn out like her then I will continue to skip it
Wow, you basically said everything I was thinking in response to her quote. My first thought was, “Wow, what a snobby and privileged thing to say” along with, “This kind of reminds me of the ‘Let them eat cake’ thing.”
I wonder whether it’s possible to rescind a Damehood… for being, you know… stupid.
I think Auntie Viv needs to stop by the organic hygiene aisle and pick up some toothpaste. Does she brush with mud? Dentures might be a better option at this point.
I love her fashion, but what she said pissed me off immensely. I’m from eastern Europe, recently emigrated to Holland to make more money and I unfortunately know how it is to be hungry for days. To work 10-hour shifts at work with no food in my belly. F*k her and her overprivileged “advice”.
It’s really too bad she allowed a serious issue to be overshadowed and mocked by ridiculous comments. Access to affordable, healthy foods is a serious issue in many developed nations.
I really despise elitist comments like this. In a perfect world, we would all eat healthful, organic, natural food and have more than enough to fill our bellies. Vivienne Westwood apparently lives in that perfect world, but the remaining 99% of the world population does not. I do not begrudge a person for being wealthy and using their wealth to live whatever lifestyle pleases them, but I do draw a line at wealthy people telling other people how to live. That is a bridge too far. Vivienne Westwood, like many (but not all) wealthy people, has lost all concept of financial reality. She has so much money that it means nothing to her anymore. She has assistants doing her shopping and accountants keeping track of it all. All she does is say “I want” and she gets. She doesn’t realize that for the rest of us – near 6 BILLION of us – when we say “I want” what we hear is “too bad”.
Though hard to swallow, she’s got SOME good points. – The preservatives in many cheap foods have been proven to be toxic and in some cases considered allergy and cancer causing.
Also, she’s right that if organic foods were mass produced the price of that food would drop drastically.
Also, what I think she was in-artfully say is that the ingredients of many “cheap” foods are not nutritional but mass/fat causing.
I would go the other route and instead say our government has failed us, they have protected the food producers Rights to serve us gruel instead of ensuring we the consumers and our children are served nutritional no illness causing foods.
another point of where our government and society have failed us is where there should NOT be the need for private food banks.
In actuality I am very disappointed in our achievements as a western advanced society, not only are we willing to feed our people and above all our children suspect foods allowed by our government but we have failed to achieve the total independence from hunger for our citizens.
why have we not YET been able to manufacture artificial foods, foods able to deliver the right amounts of nutrients and avoid the inert contamination of meat.
The Japanese tried to make artificial beef and it was an early attempt taste wise but it didn’t please the financial backers of the Western governments – The food producers/manufacturers//cattle farmers so they squashed it and offered the Japanese years supply of cheap American beef.
Sorry, kids, no food for you! I can’t afford organic, and I know you would much rather go hungry than eat conventional foods!
Who?