I apologize (sort of) for these photos from last year’s TIFF festival. John Travolta attended the premiere of The Forger, which he’s promoting now. I thought Travolta couldn’t get any creepier, but the beard makes things worse. Just like this new interview that John did with GMA. Scientology knows that it’s in the cult’s best interest not to disrupt the Tom Cruise box office potential. Yet a little John Travolta movie won’t make much money, so who cares? John’s already called Scientology “brilliant,” and he’s back for more cheerleading.
This time, Travolta would like all Scientology critics to go “read a book,” which is hilarious. John’s using a more civilized tactic to attack CO$ opponents than Danny Masterson (who came out with E-meters blazing and told everyone to “go f*** yourselves“). John is simply accusing the public of being too lazy to properly research his cult. Instead of watching HBO’s Going Clear, he’d like everyone to pick up a copy of L. Ron Hubbard’s Dianetics. John believes that Scientology is simply “misunderstood” and deserves the old college try:
John’s advice for everyone: “You know, people really need to take time and read a book … that’s my advice. You can read A New Slant on Life. You can read Dianetics. I think if you really read it, you understand it. But unless you do, you’ll speculate — and I think that’s a mistake to do that.”
John knows why you’re picking on CO$: “Sometimes, when something really works well it becomes a target.”
[From GMA on Yahoo]
Oh, that wacky Travolta. The man thinks he can talk people into digesting the so-called scripture of Hubbard. This is a desperate move and a sneaky way of trying to recruit a few gullible people into the cult. Nice try. Everyone should read Going Clear instead.
P.S. Paul Haggis told the Hollywood Reporter about what happened to him after Going Clear aired. He was contacted for an in-person interview about the “golden age of film” by someone claiming to be a “Mark Webber” from Time magazine. Haggis’ team did some legwork and found nobody by that name at Time. The creepy thing is that Scientology runs a “Golden Era Productions” studio. Haggis believes the CO$ was trying to troll him. Hopefully, they weren’t also trying to harm him.
Photos courtesy of WENN
I bet they were trying to harm him … I hope he’s got some kind of security now! He’ll need it
Very possibly. Haggis says that it has happened before.just before he left Scientology, he was tricked into a room and kept from leaving (by Miscaviges number 2 at the time) until he apologized for embarassing Tom Cruise. The background which is covered in Tony Ortegas blog …….apparently Hagis had a working meeting with Spielberg on the set of War of the Worlds about writing some script. This was around the time that Tom had used his clout to set up a Scientology tent on the set of War of the Worlds, creeping out Spielberg and the studio chief. So Spielberg making small talk with Haggis, clearly a moderate Sceintologist, said (paraphrasing) “the Scientologists I have met seem so nice”. To which Haggis responded with “we hide the crazy ones in the closet”. Tom who is clearly utterly humorless and thinks the world revolves around him told his boyfriend, Miscavige, who swung into action hence the tricked into a room incident. Haggis had to explain the joke to Miscaviges number 2. And that is my contribution to bizarre today.
there are so many stories of kidnapping in this cult, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if this was true.
or at least “take him in” for reprogramming.
scary stuff, and I also hope he’s got good security.
Reprogramming or intimidation seems right. Glad Haggis has a team to help him along and keep him safe. And that Haggis himself isn’t naive to this.
Just more to the pile of how Scientology is a cult and actively practices controlling and damaging behavior. I hope they keep making stupid moves and people keep calling them out for it. They need a light focused on them.
Stuff like that with Haggis just makes CO$ sounds like a middle school lunchroom. Mean girls, all of them.
Funny Travolta should tell everyone else to read Dianetics because according to the book Going Clear (if you haven’t read this, it’s amazing), Haggis didn’t realize that one of his daughters, all “scholled” in CO$, was illterate until she was a teenager.
With all the defections and controversy, plus dispute between its biggest celebrity followers, this cult has to implode soon (get the popcorn, sit back and watch Cruise and Travolta’s best performances yet!)
Dear John,
Take your books and shove them up your butt. You follow a man who is a terrifying jerk, and you read books written by a satan crazed idiot
(L Ron Hubbard.)
That beard is glued on.
no I think him and Kelly have an understanding
Hahaha – boom! Drop your mic
ZING.
Haha.
But to respond to Easi’s comment, he looks exactly like the Mod Hair Ken I had in the 70s, with little velvety pieces of facial hair with sticky backs in different styles that you could configure depending on your whims.
LOL
🏆
Funny!
OMG good one!
Good one, Elisabeth!
Esmom, Travolta now looks like Steven Seagal with the spray-painted on “hair”: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Seagal
(That’s all I got, this look pretty much says it.)
Ha ha ha ha!!!!
Okay, that was freaking funny.
I can’t help it(!) I still love John Travolta. Always will.
Magna doodle
“Sometimes, when something really works well it becomes a target.”
John, dude.
Lots of things work really well. In the beginning…The Third Reich…Gen. Custer at Little Bighorn…Crystal Pepsi…your beard.
Then people DO READ and listen, and watch in horror and realize how batsh*t some people are.
This cult abuses their followers. Mentally and physically. You can’t sugar coat this one Vinny Barbarino.
You’re my hero. 🙂
I wonder if the Travolta connection is strong because he came from NJ and Dianetics was written by Hubbard at the Jersey Shore; Amusingly at a house with the #666, for those who are superstitious you can shudder now. Any Scientologists know if they still do the poop therapy? That would certainly embarrass some people enough to remain.
“If you ever find yourself wondering whether truth really is stranger than fiction, consider the address of the old Kellogg house on East Avenue: 666….
But in the early days, said Kellogg, the problems the Elizabeth neighbors had with Hubbard revolved less around theology than hygiene. When the summer of 1950 arrived, the family went back to Bay Head and Hubbard went back to what that picture book describes as “his home in Elizabeth, New Jersey, where he woke one morning to find several dozen people camped among the hedgerows.”….There he put his adherents through a process in which they relived the moment of birth by giving up control of all bodily functions.
“When the owners of the homes returned at the end of the summer, my parents’ home was fine,” Hubbard recalled.” But the other two houses had undergone the birth experience and they smelled badly. The owners were not pleased.”
As for Hubbard, he headed west, leaving the homeowners with a heck of a cleaning bill. That nice guy in the naval uniform had turned out to be not so great a tenant after all.”
http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/04/scientologys_jersey_roots_religion_got_its_start_i.html
Anyway, I think Travolta was diplomatic about the book and all, but I’m not taking him up on it.
That’s a sh*tty way to treat people…
But they are so relieved after.
Yes. I’m sure they were wiped out after that. I hope his number two sent an apology letter.
As long as they weren’t ‘cockie’ about it. Otherwise they might ‘piss’ someone off.
I’m sure they minded their Ps and Qs. Wouldn’t a nice loaf of bread help dissolve the tension?
Did I ever mention that I effing love you Kiddo? I hope we never stain our friendship.
I luff you too Taterho, maybe sometime we can sit by a log and share a drink when we are pooped out.
That would be lufferly my dear. Hopefully there won’t be any clingers and we can have some peace and quiet. We should be wary of what we drink though. We don’t want to get sh*t-faced. Our conversation is already irregular.
Oh no, if we get sh*t faced, we’ll be all ‘flushed’.
Kiddo and Taterho – this is one comment thread for the ages. 💩
But all I could think about while reading was how many bowls of regular cereal were needed to match just one bowl of Colon Blow.
Travolta loves L.Ron Hubbard. In addition to Dianetics, Hubbard wrote Battlefield Earth and Travolta starred in the movie version. Enjoy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw8RVcUyma0
mia girl – Your SNL reference has me in a whiz. I am straining now to think of other ways to beat around the bush.
@mia girl,The answer to that question is in the pipeline.
ETA: LMAO taterho.You’re a pisser! But I’m not sure if mia girl knows squat.
mia girl, now you have me thinking of the other great SNL commercial…
…”OOPS! I crapped my pants!”
@KIddo – doofus, mia girl and Lilacflowers are blocking us aren’t they? However, they are a gas and I am no longer in the dumps.
They are doing their doodie by god and country, taterho. Ur-in(e) it all altogether. Nice that they give a crap about you.
come on kiddo and taterho – we are just trying to help you both by auditing you ASSets
As fun as it is, perhaps we should get our sh*t together before someone leaks our thread to the rest of the internet. We don’t want anal pearl clutchers to rain on our parade.
Fine. I gruntingly agree to stop the pile on this thread. I will float over to another topic.
Yes, it’s probably not a good idea to plop down in this thread. I will bidet you farewell.
Just when I thought this whole thing couldn’t get any weirder! What’s worse yet, is I was born and raised in Irvington, NJ which borders Elizabeth…and the year was 1950 I arrived! HOLY SHIT…pardon the pun.
Oh Suzanne. Don’t worry. No one here would ever poo poo one of your puns. That is a funny/creepy coincidence though about your birth town.
With that, I shall skid out of this thread.
Yes that statement made me think along those same lines, although not nearly as eloquently.
Exactly. I used to really like him. Wow.
Maybe at this point, to admit it’s all smoke and mirrors (at the very least) would destroy John. He seems so fragile to me, hiding behind that awful toupee and beard.
So he does. Cults prey on vulnerable human beings. Traps them with a warm welcome, love and forgiveness that they are desperate for. Whenever I look at Tom, John and Kirstie, I wonder how confused and unhappy they are. If they really think that David is their friend.
I think John is the most fragile of those 3. Especially because of the issues around Jett.
Great point Kori.
Forget about the cabana boy cover-ups and blackmailing fuel. John loved his son Jett. That he believed what CO$ was telling him. How they prevented him from properly grieving the loss of his son. If he ad an epiphany and understood all of what we speak of here. It would destroy him emotionally and mentally. The anger and confusion and shame. I wonder if even if he could bring himself to stop loving this cult he still couldn’t bring himself to question them. Somewhere in his mind knowing it would create a massive internal conflict. Sometimes that can be too much to face and our minds protect us from it.
In response to Taterho….your post is by far…one of the best, if not THE best comment, on Celebitchy that I’ve ever read. I had the best belly laugh I’ve had in a very long time. So spot on! It’s hard to believe these adult men and women…in THIS day and age…are gullible enough to be sucked in to this insanity. LOOK around you. Don’t you see what’s happening and that it’s NOT happening anywhere else.? TOO many people have come away with the same horrifying stories of this cult. RUN for your life and the life of your loved ones. Man it really SCARES the hell out of me that these people are so freaking STUPID!
That beard looks weird. it looks like it has been photoshopped onto him from some strange porn magazine. Maybe he just got a new transplant.
Reminds be of the film “Face Off” where he played a really creepy person.
it reminds me of this old toy…
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/452471093784683567/
Yes, we have one of those! But he actually reminds me more of this:
http://childhoodrelived.com/2013/02/26/toy-tuesday-mod-hair-ken-with-facial-hair/
Telling people to read “Dianetics” is how they hook newcomers. Travolta will be on street corners and airports next offering “personality tests” to people.
not to mention, it’s not so much the belief structure that people have problems with (every religion has strange stories the support it), it’s the abuse, kidnapping, harassment, enslaving, etc. that people take issue with.
John, shut your f*ing pie hole and go back to your cult.
Dianetics is a very hard and boring read. There are so many other religious systems, that choosing this modern take on good and evil seems ignorant.
It is full of the crazy. Hopefully people will flip through it once and then bin it and RUN!!! There is a writeup over on tonyortega.org that spells it all out.
I appreciate Scientology for showing us how all religions are based on books written by people who say they represent a higher power. The fact that it’s a modern merely demonstrates that at some point in time, all superstitious belief systems were new.
Hey, lilacflowers…
Stresstest? Stresstest? Stresstest…?
He’s crazy. Tom is crazy. The have delusion of grandeur.
Is it maybe because they have small d**ks?
Tom is missing out on his daughter’s milestones for the sake of ‘religion’. John had witnessed his own son die without being able to help him because of ‘religion’.
These Co$ people should be locked UP and throw away the key. I can’t believe that the big engine behind all this is Money and anything is acceptable when loads of money is involved.
I hope one day each one of the persons involved with this whacky cult will have what they deserve for hurting people, stalking them, blackmail them and brainwash them.
I always feel a bit sorry for him, in every interview i have seen with him, he seems like a nice guy. The creepy thing only happened after he started trying too hard generally. Remember after Pulp Fiction? He was cool then. Whatever…. his closeting and religion are dodgy, but I think I must be an apologist.
I actually feel a bit sorry for him and for Cruise, too, at least for the fact that they clearly were preyed upon when they were young and lost in Hollywood, needing some meaning in their lives. They were in the wrong place at the wrong time, I guess.
a nice guy who (allegedly) sexually assaults masseurs.
That was my thought, too. I don’t know if those rumors are true or not, but there is a difference between being “nice” and being “pleasant.”
Notice all of those nasty lawsuits disappeared after he rejoined the flock? It was all over the media when he was thinking about defecting. I really think he’s trapped. Not like Cruise who willing used slave labor. I feel sorry for John not Tommy Girl.
Well, if he is trapped, is it possible that he thought he could get arrested that way, away from the Sci enforcers? I didn’t really read the charges, so I have no idea if that’s plausible, but Katie Holmes’s complicated gambit to get out worked – maybe John thought he could get out, too.
I live in West Hollywood, and the rumors are true.
Also, I used to work for a design firm where a few of the guys took some meetings in FL for some kind of vague multi-use entertainment building project. Around 1am. In a club. With Travolta. And his “longtime business partner”. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/archive/index.php/t-219680.html
No offense, but Travolta is gay, gay, gay as the day is long.
Absolutely true. I own a massage company in San Francisco. Travolta creeped out one of the male therapists who works for me. He never touched him, but he had the staff totally clear the spa area so he was alone with the therapist and then asked him to sit in the sauna with him before the massage and acted “flirty”. This guy has worked for me almost 10 years and I totally believe him.
What makes him assume people haven’t read those books?
He is correct, people do need to educate themselves before forming an opinion about a topic/situation. Just not in this circumstance, given all the info that people have read and formed the same conclusions- Scientology is a cult, and is dangerous.
Agreed. I read Dianetics too. I immediately couldn’t take it seriously because it was so riddled with typos and read like a teenagers science fiction novel.
I have heard mentioned Co$ ” billion year contracts” that they get members to sign. How is that remotely legal? So much of this cult is shady or just on the edge. How can they get away with that?
It’s called “brainwashing”. And cult leaders know that people believe what they want to believe.
His beard looks like fresh cut pubic hair glued onto his face.
Can’t he like, will Xenu to give him some real hair?
He’s Scientology’s Mr. Potatohead. You can glue on eyebrows, goatees, hair…
HA! I was thinking the very same thing!
I actually did read Dianetics. Or at least the first 50 pages. It was a piece of trash that made me want to reach through the pages and throttle the author. And I didn’t even know that much about Scientology when I picked it up at my college library.
I checked Dianetics out of the local library years ago and I managed to get through it. There is a lot a stuff about douching and rough sex experiences on the fetus in utero.
Sounds about like what I would have expected for the rest of the book. I really don’t understand why anyone would hold it up as a manifesto for a religious organization.
I got about 100 pages or so in. It was just bat shit crazy.
I managed to get all the way through it … but only just. I read a lot. I’m comfortable with “complicated” writing, both in the terms of technical language (like scientific articles) and classic styles where a sentence can run to half the page, or a where a completely irrelevant tangent can take up half a chapter. (Yes, Le Mis, I’m talking about YOU and your never-ending description of the Parisian sewer-system!) But Dianetics was a struggle.
Each chapter was like “introduce A”, blather for 2 pages, “introduce B”, blather for 3 pages, “therefore D” blather, blather. Another couple of pages in, I’d suddenly realise that I had no idea how we’d got here, and that “step C” was totally missing from his argument. It was incredibly frustrating.
That said, I can see how it would easily trick those who haven’t had scientific training. If you’re not checking the logic at every step, and just going with the “feeling” it evokes, it would be quite convincing. It has a semblance of scientific accuracy. I read “The Secret” (that new-agey “power of positive thinking” self-help book), and it had a similar vibe. (I also think “The Secret” was a load of hogwash, but at least that didn’t become the basis for a harmful cult.)
“or a where a completely irrelevant tangent can take up half a chapter. (Yes, Le Mis, I’m talking about YOU and your never-ending description of the Parisian sewer-system!)”
OK totally off-topic, and certainly not as literarily lofty as Le Mis, but I used to feel the same way when I read all of Anne Rice’s vampire novels back in the day. The women would take up an entire page describing bougainvillea climbing up the house wall!
Oh, I’ve read Anne Rice too – I’mnot a lit-snob, I read anything and everything. It’s been a while, but I think I skimmed over ALL her “local flavour” descriptions. I’m sure New Orleans has a unique style, but I’ve never been there (haven’t been out of Oz) and I have absolutely no frame of reference for what she was trying to describe.
I felt like that watching True Detective. Clearly there was supposed to be some amazing “bayou atmosphere” going on … but I had no idea what that meant. Were the scenery shots supposed to be pretty? Creepy? Desolate? Picturesque?
I love Anne Rice books! One of the things I love most is all of the detail she puts in the story. You can see it as you read it. I think it’s wonderful.
I bet you read Moby Dick, too. I tried and tried, but could not get past the detailed description of every type of whale skeleton on the planet. I wept. I gashed my teeth. I gave up.
Your comment put Dianetics into great perspective. Nicely done.
Ooh have to disagree about Anne Rice however. She is a very good descriptive author.
I read it, years ago. It was utter crap and very badly written. Laughably bad writing, ludicrous concepts, the works. It’s a waste of time. There are many other better books to read in the world.
If you watched the documentary, they’re making him do this. John wants out, but he’s trapped. They’re making him go on this pro Scientology press tour to make him seem committed to the cause, when really I think it’s the opposite. They own him and he does what they say.
But the documentary also claims that he gets something out of it too. In exchange for his complicity, Scientology has run interference on news/gossip outlets to bury stories on Travolta (presumably the sexual harassment stories and/or the boyfriend stories). I actually think, however fearful JT is of his ‘church,’ he’s also not eager to get rid of his attack dog.
I very firmly believe that the spate of masseur exposures and lawsuits was Co$ threatening him. Not that those incidents didn’t happen, but that co$ covers and or exposes as needed.
If you remember, those exposures came at a time when there was a wide spread rumour that JT was thinking of leaving co$ precipitated by the death of his son.
As soon as he re-committed to co$, the lawsuits went away, seemingly overnight.
@ LAK : I am personally ambivalent about whether Scientology was leaking those stories or not (and which ones were church leaks and which ones were not). If Scientology used these rumours _in the media_ to keep JT in line, then they would actually have to be open about their blackmail/coercion, and let him know it was them. That’s where the sticking point is for me, because while I fully believe Kelly Preston is a zealot, I think she would have something to say about her church threatening her own livelihood and reputation.
I think the rumour that JT was close to leaving is a bit less reliable, considering from the moment Jett died, he had Scientology handlers with him 24/7. How would the person who started the rumour even get this information, if a handler was there to hear every conversation and audit every last thought out of him?
If you read the book Going Clear, you get the sense that Travolta was trying to get out of it years ago, and even Cruise maybe a bit, too…
But those billion-year contracts are binding are far as CO$ is concerned.
Not attacking your comment but I really think people are just inclined to give Travolta the benefit of the doubt because he is so soft spoken which I guess brings out protective instincts. Spanky and his old audtior did speculate that he is being blackmailed into remaining but I think that’s just speculation. I really think that Travolta is a true believer. There is no way at this point that he would be ignorant of what the deal is. His own Handler had to be rescued from the cult by one his PAs (who I read was subsequently sacked). He has had no contact with her in like 3 decades and stood by while his Church disseminated her character. His contact with the insidious nature of this thing is close and personal. Contrast that with Leah Remini who asked questions over Mrs Miscavige who was friend but definitely not a bff or anything.
I’m sure somebody will argue that poor Travolta is worried about losing contact with his kids but again contrast that with Leah who was a second generation member. Leaving required convincing her parents and siblings to come with her but she did it. Or Katie Holmes who was leaving the most biggest star in the world who would have ALL the resources to crush her and take the baby, and get away with it. But she too found her courage, made her plans and pulled her move. And there are plenty who have left without the kind of protection Travoltas name would afford him.
As for the blackmail material. Nobody cares that he is gay and we aaaaall know he is by now. His heart throb days are long gone and that Grease fan base isn’t filling up theatre seats now is it. Infact coming out would be hailed as groundbreaking, he would actually experience career resurgence. if I were him I would “come out” even if I wasn’t gay, shucks I bet they would give him an honorary Oscar that very year.
Let’s assume that the blackmail material trends on offenses, his predilection for sexual assault for instance. I can’t stand him for the very reason that I think this guy is the gay Cosby however, he is in a fantastic opportunity to spin. First, he could simply just deny the material and say that it’s being leaked by the cult to tarnish him. Trust me, 99.9 percent would believe that. People like to keep their Hollywood heroes so all you have to do is provide a villain, Scientology is a ready made villain. He could even claim to have been brainwashed into believing he had done those things and people would believe him. There’s nothing he couldn’t survive if he claimed to have been a Scientologist captive.
He’s still on the inside and being blackmailed and threatened. He has no idea that people would accept him if he left. I think Spanky and the others who essentially said he’s trapped and being blackmailed know more than we do about this. They think that the church is holding him hostage. Wouldn’t the person who audited him for 20 years know best about what’s going on?
Two things. First, Travolta has had no contact with Spanky in decades, she simply wouldn’t know either way. The auditor interviewed made it clear he was merely speculating, infact the focus was more on how information is amassed and how nobody knows what happens with that information. Second, I’ve been reading Ortegas and Marty’s blogs for years, the general sense from the conversations between former insiders is that he has never shown indication of wavering, not even whispers of concern. He actually believes that stuff, he thinks it’s saved his life. A reluctant member wouldn’t prosthelyse on one on one basis as he reportedly does. There are reports of him convincing people he has just met to come in for an audit session. They also point out that Sea Org members are much more exposed than him and even worse have no support let alone contact outside of the organization.Some were even threatened with false criminal charges, others had reason to believe they would be physically assaulted if they left but they still walked away. Travolta is luckily not trapped in a total vacuum. He has access to info, support and protection both physical and PR-wise the likes of which would worry Miscavige. But he is still there
It’s time to accept that if John Travolta is still there it’s because he wants to be there.
The thing that makes me wonder about Travolta is that he goes a bit off message sometimes. Talks about how Scientology is flawed like any other religion (eg. his comments about Scientology’s beliefs about sexuality). I think he has genuine doubts, but he doesn’t know how to deal with them so has to tell convince himself and others that Scientology is the greatest thing ever.
He certainly has a better life than a Sea Org member, but that might be part of the problem. If a Sea Org member is de-programmed, they’ll see all the abuse they were subjected to. But Travolta’s been brainwashed AND treated very well. Scientology has genuinely done a lot for him, and it’s possible he’s in so deep it hasn’t ever occurred to him that they might be the ones leaking things about him (or that they ever would), so when stories come out, he may just feel more and more indebted and grateful to Scientology for ‘protecting’ him. That’s much more insidious than just keeping someone under your thumb by threatening them.
@ The Other Pinky and Jessica: Completely agree.
Imo, the perks for him to stay in CO$ outweigh whatever outsiders think ‘forces’ him to stay.
Paola, to be fair, people deny medical treatment in the name of Xian it too. Scientology doesn’t hold a monopoly on religious batshittery.
That said eff Diabetics and eff John spreading this ffvckery.
As a long standing joke, it sits in my bathroom so I can read sh*t while taking a sh*t.
Ha! And in a pinch, if you run out of toilet paper you can tear out a few pages as a substitute shit wiper.
Also, the only way Travolta would blow was if his wife began to question the faith.
I read Dianetics years ago. Some friend of my mom gave her a copy and I found it laying around, so I read it. I had never even heard of Scientology back then. I kept falling asleep reading it because it was badly written and made no sense whatsoever. I remember I kept looking at the cover and the back to try to figure out if it was fiction or political or self-help, or what. I couldn’t even figure out what genre it was! (For the record, I was in college and an English major.)
So yeah. I’ve done that, John. Trust me, it DOESN’T help your case at all.
Funny, I remember doing the same thing with a copy I saw somewhere, finding it so puzzling and bizarre. I also remember the TV commercials for it, which were equally confusing.
god, those ads! I remember them too, and thinking “WTF is this about?” and not in a intellectually curious way, but a “jaysus, I’m never gonna read that!” type of way.
Were there erupting volcanoes in the commercial? I think I recall volcanoes.
YES, mia girl, and that DEEP DEEP voice at the end…”DIANETCS…get your copy today”
Yes doofus!!! As a kid those commercials freaked me out. I once asked my mom what that book was about and no joke, she said, “monsters”.
Yes! Erupting volcanoes! A stern, convincing narration!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIIazHbErhc
This is the commercial that convinced me to buy Dianetics. I was in HS and always had a book in my hand (mainly Stephen King novels…ha) and thought, “wow, this sounds interesting!” I barely got through half of it. It made no sense, and the stuff they said to look for on certain pages wasn’t even there. What a scam!
Omg I remember those!
I have that book. It uses manipulation techniques from the get go. It starts on the very first page by redefining words you already know the meaning of, so that straight away you get used to being told how and what to think. It’s creepy as all fk when you know what you are looking out for.
I remember the commercials for that book when I was growing up. Watched a bit of Going Clear and all I can say is Scientology seems nuttier than I thought. And Tom Cruise is off his rocker along with the rest of them.
My Mom used to take me to bargain bookstores and charity shops to read/buy children’s books. I would often see stacks and stacks of Dianetics books at the sale bin.
Back in the day, when Pat Kingsley shilled Tom Cruise, if any scientology questions made it to interview stage, Pat being the pioneer of pre-approved interview questions/final approval of potential article that most celebs employ now, Tom’s standard answer was to tell the interviewer to do his own research and read some books. He never went as far as recommending any particular books. However, Tom being dsylexic always made me wonder if they transcribed to him highly audited, distorted versions of the truth.
Anyhue, Dianetics was *the* scientology book of the 70s/80s. However, most people didn’t realise it was a gateway to scientology because it was sold as a form of self help book. My mother had a copy which i read when i was a teen, imagine my surprise to learn it was a scientology book in later years. Since John became a Co$ in the late 70s/early 80s, it doesn’t surprise me that he would recommend this particular book.
You make a very important point. Dianetics was marketed as a self help book and was shelved as such in book stores. It was an effort to re-market the concept because religions in general were experiencing a decline. Many of us who came of age during those years were exposed to the book in one way or another, but we viewed it as a self help genre and not the basis of a religion. I remember reading it and thinking it was too much work to learn all the new lingo, so what I read went in one ear and out the other. I guess I’m thankful I didn’t have the patience or inclination to try and understand it better…lol!
It was all over the place in Australia in the early 90’s. I can’t help but think marketing it as a self-help book kind of failed as a marketing strategy for the church, because at that time it seems 99% of people took it at face value and never connected it to Scientology, if they’d even heard of Scientology.
I watched “Going Clear,” and Scientology certainly seems zany. However, its offenses weren’t terribly shocking, as I have grown accustomed, listening to the BBC daily, to hearing far, far worse done in the name of another religion (that I will not name).
I was hired by Golden Era and like all “religions” I came in with eyes open and I found kernels of truths to certain aspects of DIanetics… But with all “religions” that take things too far or extreme, especially if you don’t follow suit, I was turned off.
That beard. I just can’t look away, even though I’ve never been more repulsed. John Travolta is shilling for an abusive cult and it’s going to really bite him in the butt some day very soon. Even more so than the fact that ir probably contibuted greatly to the death of his son. Scientology isn’t being attacked because it works so well. That statement is incredibly deluded. So many horrible things have been exposed about this cult, posing as a religion and the lies told by it’s founder, that suggesting people read Dianetics before judging it is moronic. His career is in the toilet, his marriage to Kelly the COS robot, is a bearding arrangement and he goes out in public looking like he has a dyed mop on his head and pubic hair glued onto his face. I don’t think he understands what “works well” really means at this point.
You know, I actually did read that book in high school and thought it was a bunch of crap. That was before any celebrities were connected to Scientology but there was a marketing campaign for this book with tv commercials.
Also, in high school there was a kid in my creative writing class who had been brought to Scientology sessions for about a year by his aunt who had custody of him . This poor guy was messed up by the experience and would tell us about how the Scientology people would try to break him and would scream at him telling him he was nothing, worthless.. then in the next minute would build him up just to tear him down again. He had a serious hatred of those people and I’ve always wondered how he turned out. Obviously he was a strong kid to realized what was happening wasn’t normal and he didn’t get sucked in.
Why do these dumb celebrities not realize that they are treated differently than other Scientologists? Maybe John should read a couple of books himself, namely the many written by former members about the abuse they suffered in this “church”. I am sure these people are writing books because Scientology “works” and they just want to tear it down. If a church tries to use any control over who you associate with or what you read, it is a cult.
I’m glad he was strong enough to blow those asshats off. The way they prey on vulnerable people is sick.
In these pics, his eyes seem to be saying “help me!”
“I’m shrinking, I’m shrinking, help!”
No thanks. I’m not a fan of Sci-fi.
The beard, his beedy eyes, and ginormous head make him look like a creepy creature. Some guys aren’t meant to have facial hair
Can’t really add anything but that shiny suit in the top shot looks like 1970’s nylon that may burst into flames at any moment. Which, if there’s any justice for these bastwards….
I think they’re all crazy as sh*thouse rats, but he does have a point – if you read Dianetics, it’s all laid out right there in black and white: The homophobia, the “theology” (standard issue sci-fi fantasy circa 1950s), the hatred of psychology…
i live in nyc and theres a Scientology center near me and theyre hardcore shilling Dianetics, every window display has them. Theyre so creey
Yes, there’s one in Chicago too near my old house that always creeped me out with its Dianetics-filled storefront. It still seems to be going strong. Or if not going strong, at least not shut down.
I ran into a bunch of Scientologists working a recruitment table on Easter weekend in Florence, Italy a few years back, doing the spiel near the train station.
I rolled my eyes and kept walking.
Has anyone seen the new CO$ commercial showing L Con Slubbard as some kind of mythological hero? Do they really not understand how easy it is to thoroughly debunk every bit of those lies?
When I worked in a library on a military base they would send us unsolicited books and tapes all the time. They also had booths at Book Expo America where they would give you and spiel but it wasn’t apparent by their name that they were Scientology. You realized that when you saw their own encyclopedias. I ran as quickly as I could but they are AGGRESSIVE.
He could read Less Prozac, More Plato, or Plato, No Prozac …
Poor guy – they really preyed on his fear of his own sexuality.
A friend came out of he closet at 37 after years of horrible verbal abuse and suppression by his orthodox family. Travolta reminds me of how my buddy looked before he came out – manic and terrified of himself.
I really pity him.
In my early 20s, my current squeeze was acting differently. I didnt know it at the time, but the poor man was exhibiting signs of mental illness.
He felt lost, and I believe those predators knew they could scoop him up. They introduced him to Dianetics. He was ephoric (sic) and demanded I read it. I did.
And asked him what the hell is this? Women have to be silent during birth?
Thats all I got out of it. Lol.
But the sad thing, is he took it hook ,line and sinker. His mental illness was never treated, as that is the devils work.
Ive never been so sad about the total loss of a friends potential .
Yep, I’m so sorry to read that. My prayers are with your friend, and you.
I have that book, I bought it…yeah…but never read it, especially after I found out what Scientology is really about. Thank God I found what they offered me too expensive, or I’d probably be one of them today. What a bullet I dodged! They do make it sound quite appealing.
Dear $cilons: Those of us who criticize $cientology – and read books (not crappy pseudo-science-fiction) – would like you to actually use your brains.
Yo, Xenu. Still waiting for you to come and get me.
I think it’s terrible of him not to acknowledge that people much lower than himself in the organization get treated badly and then on top of that, have to serve upper-level people like him and Cruise with allegedly little to no pay. I think the word on the street is that the wages for Sea Org. ’employees’ are between 36 to 42 cents per hour.
That he seems to have no empathy for how other CO$ members are treated and that in addition he’s trying to recruit more people who may end up as his personal, unpaid/lowly-paid servants is ruthless and heartless, imo.
I read the Hollywood Reporter and the linked Tony Ortega articles about what CO$ has been trying to do to Haggis (and others). Very creepy.
I have.
It’s insane.
And, frankly, badly written. Say what you will about the Bible, the Torah, the Koran – they are beautifully written books, with graceful and insightful lines. Dianetics? No. Just…. no. Call me a word snob, but I don’t think I could ever look at any religion with anything other then outright contempt when the bedrock material is so terribly terribly edited and worded.
makes you wonder what else Danny Masterson has even read since he calls those books “awesome”.
I already know everything I need to know about these creepy, dangerous people. Way back in 1975 when I was fresh out of high school and trying to find a part-time job to work my way through college, I answered their newspaper ad for a job that provided “on-the-job-training”. They did not identify themselves as Scientology and when I turned up for my “interview” it turned out to be a screening session whereby I found out that I had to pay them $250 for the training and then they would provide me with a job. But it took 30 minutes of the interviewer spouting absolute propaganda and what I now know were outright lies before I could determine where these people were coming from. I ended the interview right then but was pressured all the way until I reached the exit door. These people were manipulative, dishonest and CREEPY! That’s how they get you: young and dumb. I shudder to think what would have happened to me if I had fallen into their trap.
These people have only gotten worse over time–no doubt.
Dear John,
Please stop sexually harassing vulnerable male masseuses. There is nothing wrong with being gay, we know you are, own it. There’s something very wrong with taking advantage of or abusing people. Get help to change, make amends and move on.
Run from the cult of crazy.
My Mom read Dianetics back in the late 80’s, and her take was it’s incredibly misogynistic. L. Ron Hubbard clearly nursed a hatred for women, and he blames us in the book for hating our own babies (the cause of all miscarriages, according to him), among other BS. Because my Mom told me this, I remember feeling so terribly sorry for Nicole when word got out that she’d miscarried Tom’s baby. I still think this is what Tom was referring to when he said the notorious “Nic knows why” comment. They told Tom Nicole hated their baby and forced the miscarriage.
Nope. Don’t need to read it. I can see how twisted and ugly the ‘Tology people behave. John was on Letterman last night – the make-up and hair was WAY too much, he looked embalmbed.
Stop saying John Travolta is gay. He sure as hell may have homosexual inclinations or experiences or be functionally bisexual but being gay is an identity. It’s about saying “I have sex with men and/or am romantically attracted exclusively to other men and not only am I okay with it, I’m so happy about it that I’ll use the word GAY, the happiest word there is, to describe who I am”.
I read Dianetics when I was in my 20’s- I read just about anything- and it was absolute tripe. Not even an ounce of sense. How people are sucked in by it I do not know. Low critical thinking standards I guess.
His facial hair is probably the nastiest thing I’ve seen all year. And I teach elementary school!!!
To his credit, even people that have defected from the church have said how much of a nice guy he is.
That being said, why the hell should I read Dianetics? L. Ron Hubbard is a proven liar and fraud. He had no educational background in psychology. Actually, he was a college dropout. And he wrote Battlefield Earth. Lol.
Also, despite being based on the preachings of a madman, I don’t mind Scientology the religion. If people make the choice to “disconnect” and spend thousands of dollars to get interrogated, fine. But I DO mind Scientology the organization, and the fact that kids are born into this cult, don’t get educations, and become slave laborers is sickening. I have criticisms for all religions, but not once have I been forced to pay ANYTHING at any church I’ve been to. Bibles and daily breads are free. Coffee and cookies are free. Sunday school (class) is free. And I am a bonafide non believer saying this! I know its cool to hate Scientology right now, but I do think they need to be exposed for the fraudulent, for-profit, oppressive organization they are.
I read Dianetics out of morbid curiosity, it’s REALLY rambling and badly written. I thought maybe my pirated PDF copy was bad – hell yeah I stole from the Co$ – but then I did a “Look Inside” on Amazon and nope, still rambling and weird.
The only stuff of value in there is essentially akin to what law of attraction gurus teach – if you are unhappy, simply change your mindset. THAT kind of stuff can be useful to people, but it isn’t unique to L.Ron. Everything else was science fiction-y and weird.
If anyone was interested in the tiny sliver or positivity in Scientology, I would advise them to just go find a self-help guru who pushes law of attraction or positive thinking. I actually don’t hate that whole movement, I think it can help people in hard times. Same schtick, no murderous cult, all you have to pay for is books.
I suggest HE read a book. I’ve always been partial to “If You Give a Mouse a Cookie.” Start small, but aim high, Johnny.
In the late 90s, I recall a whiff of a resurgence in the Dianetics being schilled. I took a volcano emblazoned pamphlet from a bookstore, tried to understand it, but couldn’t. I’m another who will read absolutely anything, but I’d rather never read again than try that ever again. I’ve also read the first page or so of Dianetics. Big fat nope.
i think it’s funny that his answer to people criticizing his cult is that “well, you just need to drink the Kool-Aid, too.”
He’s just too creepy…probably has sweaty hands..the ones that when somebody touches you, you feel shivers all over your body and want to take a shower there and then.
At this point, I have no problem saying that CO$ is an evil, manipulative cult. I feel sorry for anyone who gets involved with these manipulative ba4tards. Btw, when I was about 10, I saw Dianetics at the library and picked it up because it had a sci-fi looking cover. Turns out I was right.
True, fun story about Hubbard: In college I took a Literature of Science Fiction course; the professor has taught the course for several decades already. He’s also the father-in-law of one of my best friends now. So were talking recently about Going Clear, and he told me the story of how $cilons used to call his office constantly to beg him to put Hubbard’s crappy books on his curriculum, which of course was never gonna happen. One day, his teaching assistant answers the phone, then says, professor, someone wants to talk to you about putting L. Ron Hubbard’s books on your curriculum. Professor loses his temper and starts yelling about how he will never, ever put that crap on his curriculum, etc. Teaching assistant slams the phone down.
Turns out the caller, who heard every word of professor’s diatribe, was none other than LRH himself.
That story just gives me warm fuzzies.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…
…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…
Oh man… *catches breath*…
Yeah, I get the vibe that L.Ron was embittered that he would never be considered one of the “greats.” I feel like Scientology was just him compensating for never receiving a Pulitzer.
What. A. DOUCHEBAG. I would love to finally live in a world where it’s not the D-bags and creeps who constantly rise to the top. For whatever reason, that seems to be a thing.
That’s awesome.
He looks like a vampire in every photo now. I mean, seriously. Total vampire.
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