It’s official. With the opening of Avengers: Age of Ultron, the Marvel Cinematic Universe is now the highest grossing franchise in movie history. So I guess Jeremy Renner decided he had nothing to lose when he visited Conan O’Brien to promote the film. To recap, Jeremy gleefully called Black Widow a “slut“ as Chris Evans laughed and added “wh*re!” Then Marvel made them both apologize. Jeremy said, “I am sorry that this tasteless joke about a fictional character offended anyone. It was not meant to be serious in any way. Just poking fun during an exhausting and tedious press tour.” A non apology.
Chris Evans went into hiding after the tour ended. Officially, he held a funeral for his beard and is preparing to shoot Cap 3: Civil War. But dude is terrified of saying something dumb again (as he should be). In contrast, Jeremy decided it was time to celebrate. He told Conan all about his little internet problem:
“It was a joke, off-color, whatever. I’m unapologetic about alot of things. Yeah, I got a lot of Internet trouble. I guess that’s the thing now … I was asked a question, ‘So Black Widow has been linked to Hawkeye, Iron Man, Bruce Banner and Captain America and so what do you think of that.’ I said sounds like she’s a slut. Mind you I was talking about a fictional character and fictional behavior. But if you slept with four of the six Avengers, no matter how much fun you had, you’d be a slut. Just saying. I’d be a slut. Just saying.”
[From Team Coco on YouTube]
Conan and his audience laughed along with Jeremy’s story, which sucks. The sad part about this whole mess is that Jeremy still thinks he said nothing wrong. He truly believes that any guy who slept with four Avengers would be called a slut, which isn’t true. Tony Stark has quite the reputation, but he gets labeled as a “billionaire playboy philanthropist,” which sounds much more respectful than “slut.” Guess what? Black Widow isn’t even sleeping around in these Marvel movies! She kissed a few of these guys and mentioned Budapest when talking to Hawkeye, so of course Renner thinks she’s sleeping with everyone. Not that it matters. She could sleep with every Avenger, and Renner still shouldn’t judge.
People are saying that Renner’s only peeved with the situation because no one wants to sleep with Hawkeye. It’s funny, but only because Renner is behaving so unapologetically. Here’s the Conan clip.
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Ugh, stfu Renner. I was hoping his character would die in this movie, he is completely useless, but sadly he survived.
He is truly disgusting, isn’t he? I so feel for that daughter of his. I too was hoping that all that back story and touching family plot would mean he would be killed but no such luck.
Given his recent troubles with his soon to be ex, you would think this douchebag would keep his head down. I think he suffers from the “little man syndrome”
AVENGERS: AGE OF ULTRON SPOILER
No, typical Joss loves to play with tropes so I knew someone else would die instead of Hawkeye when he gave him that mushy, familial backstory.
Someone will call his daughter a slut one day, maybe then he’ll get it.
ha! I was going to say “he’s just bitter because he got the throwaway character…”
“useless” is good, too, though.
His whole life is pretending to be fictional characters and hoping his audience cares about them. That’s it. That’s what he does. So to mock people for caring about a fictional character is undermining the foundation of what he does. Dumba$$.
He needs to come out already then maybe he’d be happier in his life and wouldn’t be such a mean, resentful and angry misogynist.
Also, he wears way too much makeup.
Is he judging the numbers or the fact that Black Widow seems committed to boinking her way through two-thirds of her CO-WORKERS?
I can’t imagine any man or woman working in any company wouldn’t be side-eyed for that!
Who has she “boinked” exactly? (I asking about the movies, I haven’t read the comics)
Black Widow uses her sexuality as part of her character so yes flirting with them she has done but I have yet to see or hear of her “boinking” any of her coworkers.
(Not saying I love the direction they took her in)
In the films, she has boinked nobody. She flirted with Cap in Winter Soldier only as a decoy in the shopping mall when they were trying to escape Hydra. She seems to have a close friendship with Hawkeye because he didn’t assassinate her when he was ordered to do so – we don’t actually see that but it is what she tells Loki – but there is never any actual indication of boinking. Budapest was a mission.
i’ve heard that in the comics she has been with almost all of them except Banner but I’m not sure this douche is talking about that because if I remember correctly, the question was about the movie and how the fans have had BW paired with Hawkeye and Cap, and that nobody saw her pairing with Banner comming.
And to be fair also, it’s not like she’s sitting around the office. If she had a past with these dudes – so what? It was a team of superheroes that was formed – would it not make sense for her to associate with other superheroes in general? How dare she have a life before the formation of the team! HOW WILL THEY GET WORK DONE!?
It’s actually amusing given that the character supposedly defects to the US because she’s fallen for Hawkeye.
Anyway – my point is, this isn’t a normal job, it’s not the only life the character has lived, and no shit, she associates with other heroes often, it makes sense to date some as well over the years.
@Lindy79 @Lilacflowers YES! Exactly, to both of you. I think the “Clintasha” shippers (oh god, I can’t believe I just voluntarily typed the word shipper) grabbed onto that necklace that she was wearing in Winter Soldier too (Im fairly sure that was a costume choice that Scarlett made). I’ll be honest, I actually really liked the friendship between the two of them in AoU and I thought it was incredibly refreshing to see and the fact that she was obviously tight with that other female character and there were no issues there was really nice.
Isn’t this a common sexist practice? Accusing women of sleeping with people, when there is no evidence of it whatsoever?
She admits her sexuality is a weapon of sorts. An asset. She uses it as a tool. The movie needs to keep a fair rating and appeal to a wider group, but be sure. She sleeps with many she’s flirted with. And sleeps with many outside of her job. That is the Black Widow character as she was created.
Unless, you really need the boinking to be spelled out. If so then there’s less boinking.
James Bond sleeps with almost everyone he works with and everyone he’s protecting. Nobody is calling him a slut.
**sighs**
Not true. The character has been mocked many times for slutty behavior. My favorite is a SNL skit where 007 gets a check up. He has loads of STDs/STIs and 2 only come from sharks.
KFURT – If your company has a written policy discouraging fraternization, it might be time for a discreet meeting with HR. But if your coworker calls you a slut, you’ve got a nice little hostile workplace completely and possible lawsuit.
Er complaint not completely. Point being the workplace analogy is false because the liability potential for the employer is far worse when staff engage in derogatory name calling. Trust me, HR would rather you sleep with your coworkers than insult them
How about stop judging people about their sexual life as long as no laws are broken?
A woman’s worth or her morality shouldn’t be tied to her sex life, because it’s always the women who are whores and sluts even if they talk or flirt with men.
Yes @ Damn. I was seriously told once by another female that if woman has two or more partners in her entire lifetime (yes her entire lifetime) she was “loose”. She said a man with with two or more partners are “experienced”. She said this is because woman are not supposed to be sexually experienced.
I just stared at her and blinked a couple of times, and asked her if she was serious. She said yes, and she was… as a heart attack. SMH
“I can’t imagine any man or woman working in any company wouldn’t be side-eyed for that! ”
and that is the whole problem. its none of your business. people are free to have sex with whoever and how many people they want to have as long as its consensual. lots of people act like its the 50s.
it is simply HEALTHY to act on your desires and sleep around and not be held down by patriarchal and other social boundaries.
Exactly. Real or fictional, it only concerns those involved in the intimate relationship.
It’s “healthy” to sleep around? Did I wake up in another universe where things like STDs, AIDS, and unwanted pregnancy no longer exist? WHAT? It’s NOT patriarchal or social boundaries that make me squeamish and outright disgusted at the idea of multiple partners. Girl.
It’s common sense these days, or one would think, that this kind of behavior is absolutely dangerous and ridiculously dumb. It may not concern me what someone else is doing with his or her own body and sex life, but I think it’s dumb as hell to proclaim there’s something healthy about exposure to so many diseases and other unwanted consequences, as if condoms, or any protection really, are foolproof and 100% effective.
Wow.
Wow, and yet by just using condoms this lil ole slut has none of those STIs or random babies. It’s almost like you’re exaggerating!
Bravo! A mighty display of ignorance and sexism you got going there. First Black Widow has had NO other romantic interests on the movies besides Banner. The reason why dbags think she has is because they cant understand the presense of a sexy female in any other terms. Beautiful woman friends with pug faced male archer…….”oh they are totally doing it”.
Beautiful woman uses age old technique to save soldier in tights ….”oh shes totally doing him too” despite the fact that she spends rest of the movie playing matchmaker for him.
Calling the character a slut is sexist, period. But more so since the misreading of her relationships with the male characters is driven by a refusal to seeIng beyond her vaj.
And lets be clear, Renner has been very contemptous when stating he doesnt read comics. (Most of the other actors dont either but they arent rude and dismissive about it). So lets not pretend he was referencing the comics either.
kufrt is referrring to the situation Renner stated above: four of six avengers. its neither about the movies nor about the comics, its more about the fandom linking her to all the guys. (and most fanfiction of every fandom is basically about sex stories)
the point still stands though, Black Widow could screw them all, we need more empowered women with a good sexual appetite.
Kara, the fandoms obsession with her sex life IS sexist because they seem unable to view her outside of her sexuality. There are mulitple dimensions to this bs. One, that Black Widows sex life was not even a part of movie canon until this film. Two, that “fans” have fixated on her sexuality because well, what else is she there for. There is no movie canon on her sex life so they cook one up, again because women are just vagina in cat suits. Three, even if this were part of canon it in no way merits the label “slut”.
Incidentally a segment of the fandom has also shipped Iron man with Cap, with Bruce and even Nick Fury and yet Renner didnt go on a slut shaming tour over Iron Man.
@Chichi
That’s what I was going to say…..I don’t understand the obsession with Black Widow and who the fandom ships her with/ships her with everyone. I read fanfiction. A LOT. And all of the Marvel characters from the movies are shipped with each other. Steve/Tony. Tony/Rhodey. Tony/Bruce. Natasha/Clint. Natasha/Bruce. Clint/Phil. Nick Fury/Natasha. And so on. If he’s going to double down, because of effing fanfiction, then mansplain that ALL of the characters are sluts by his definition.
In fact, they probably focused on Natasha’s character, because it was one of the few heterosexual relationships the fandom gets into……
I agree with you. If I worked with 5 guys and had relationships with 4 of them….yeah, I think people would look at me funny. And again folks – this all started with a hypothetical question about a fictional character. Perspective is a good thing.
And probably something that should be looked at by Renner – he’s labeling a fictional woman a slut based on her assumed sexual relationships. This speaks to the greater issue of women being negatively labeled for their sexual histories – something that is STILL very much an issue with REAL women. He’s perpetuating that it’s ‘okay’ to toss these terms around like nothing.
Yes it’s a fictional scenario, but the fact that he can’t look at the bigger picture and see why this is wrong, is quite startling.
And the issue here is they shouldn’t, because it’s your decision, not theirs.
But isn’t it as *assumption* that she had “sexual relations” with these men? So, in essence, Renner is judging a character for things that are only occurring in his head?
This kind of crap happens to real women all the time. If you smile at a person, you get accused of sleeping with them. Enough.
“I agree with you. If I worked with 5 guys and had relationships with 4 of them….yeah, I think people would look at me funny. ”
as lola says: thats the problem. in an equal world you could sleep with all 5, even at the same time. so what?
even if all those scenarios happened we should rather celebrate such a woman and not call her sexist slurs.
He seems to think slut is a factual term, not a derogatory one, ie- a woman with a child is a mother, a woman with a husband is a wife, and a woman who has slept with several people is a slut.
What a moron.
Right. He has no desire to understand or acknowledge the history of misogyny behind that word. Sad, but I’ve come to expect very little from him so eh.
Didn’t he call himself a slut?
THIS. He’s saying it like we all know she’s a slut and are just in denial.
Unfortunately there are A LOT of people who believe this. Yet 99.9% of these people somehow magically don’t believe that a man who has slept with several people is a slut, only women.
Yeah, yeah, Renner paid lip service to “oh I’d totally be a slut too if I did that” but you absolutely know that nobody, including himself, would actually call him a slut.
Besides the fact that calling a man a “slut” doesn’t erase the history of women being called “sluts” as a derogatory term referring to women with multiple partners. You can’t equalize these two very different gender experiences simply by using that term to refer to promiscuous men.
In other words, the term “slut” will never resonate with men in the same way because the term was never used to devalue men. Women’s value historically has been tied to being chaste and virginal, whereas if anything, men were commended and heralded for being sexually virile.
I’m reminded of one of my guy friends who always refers to himself as a “slut” in an almost prideful way. Most women don’t have the luxury of doing this, because to us “slut” is still an incredibly demeaning, offensive term.
You’re so right Wren. I have a couple of guy friends, guys who are otherwise decent people, who think this way too which just goes to show how deeply ingrained sexism is. I’ve tried to school them and they seem to get it until they’re around their sexist friends and then they revert. Sigh.
True story
Before I met my husband at our University he slept around. In reference to that time i’ve called him a slut. He was. I say that as a title that describes his actions during a period of time in select circumstances and choices made.
It’s not to degrade him imo.
The word can degrade and I think Renner is using it slightly that way, but also as a factual title. He’s just kind of an idiot so it comes off really bad.
This is such a GREAT point!!!! Thank you for sharing it. Well done.
Oh please shut him up ! He’s gross.
Hear! Hear! Can you possibly be more of a bitter misogynist than this Renner is? It’s completely revolting, and I’m boycotting all of his movies from now on. Not that I ever watched very many of them to begin with.
Is both he and Chris what-his-name closeted gays btw? Getting such vibes.
How can Jeremy eat or talk when he keeps putting his foot in his mouth? He is digging a deeper hole for himself
“People are saying that Renner’s only peeved with the situation because no one wants to sleep with Hawkeye” this is true. he’s ugly and his backstory in age of ultron is a mess. im more surprised by the fact people care for his character than him being a douche, you just have to look at him for that, to be honest
I don’t see how Black Widow is a slut. She had chemistry with some Avengers but it was mainly banter. The only one she loves is Hulk. Or did I miss something?
You missed that it isn’t okay to call women “sluts”, maybe?
Black Widow in the movies isn’t Black Widow as she was created. Much goes unsaid for the films. BW covers it a bit in TWS. It’s a tool/asset/way to pass the time for her. It’s banter and light flirting for the movie’s sake.
Much like in Skrek no one came out and said Lord Farquaad had a small “tackle”, but it was alluded to often. To say outright or any less subtle would narrow the age appeal for the film.
OK, but we’re talking about the movie incarnation not the comic book one. There is a lot of stuff for all of the characters that has been changed from their comic book character.
The issue here is the implication she has definitely slept with her co-workers. I personally don’t see that implied from the movies, Evans has said categorically that he believes Cap is a virgin and his reaction to her cover kiss certainly wasn’t someone who was familiar with her in that way, Hawkeye has a wife and children whom Romanof is on a very friendly basis with so it’s safe to assume that she hasn’t slept with him since they have been around (true before she may have done). Banner and she may have done but even then, I didn’t see it being alluded to just that there was something there and they were dancing around it but it hadn’t gone that far yet. If anything Banner seemed to be pushing back out of fear.
I’m at a loss as to these confirmed implications that it has definitely happened
Just shut it Renner.
He can’t. He’s a #rebelheart
Typical double standard. Stark is a playboy. Black Widow (who actually is not shown or explicitly stated to have slept with any of the guys) is a slut. When Bond gets all the women, he is just a cool guy. If a woman does it, bring out the pitchforks. Because she can only be a virgin, a mother, or a whore. Boo.
It was a stupid joke aimed at a fictional character. After his first half-assed apology he should have just let it go. No need to keep rehashing it.
But I will continue to say this until I’m blue in the face. Women get so angry when a man calls a woman a slut , bitches or whore. If you really think about it no one calls women those kinds of name more than other women. On the Ultron movie post a poster called BW sluttish and hardly anyone commented negetively about it.
“If you really think about it no one calls women those kinds of name more than other women”
Umm, what? Do you have have a tally sheet somewhere that shows how many times women use the term vs. men?
Men call women whores and sluts as soon as they act opposite of what they expect or demand of them.
This has not been my experience. Maybe women say it more to another woman’s face (although I’m still skeptical), but just hang around a group of guys for awhile. You’ll hear aaaaaalllllllll about what sluts, whores and/or bitches all the women are in their lives who aren’t behaving how they want them to. It’s disgusting.
Umm, don’t need a tally. I hear it from women from various walks of life. I hear it from other women at my job and previous jobs. Just watch shows like The Real Housewives of whatever, Love and Hiphop, Bad Girls Club and so on. And not just reality shows. Loo6k at stuff posted on Youtube or World Star. I guarantee you hear those slurs coming from other women more than men. On Love and Hiphop the men barely call the women out of their names, it’s the other women. Log on to this guy by the name of Tommysotomayor who has his own YouTube show. He’s constantly posting real life videos of everyday women calling each other bitches, whores and sluts. Once you view those shows, then come talk to me.
And I have a lot of male friends I do hang around and I’m not going to say they never use those words but not as much as you are making it out to be. Women use them way more.
Maybe my experience is different because I work in a good ol’ boy industry and my female friends do not call other women sluts and whores. Bitches, yes, but we call ourselves that, as in “bitches get sh*t done”. We’ve been known to call men sluts (mostly when they’re bragging about how “studly” they are), but not women.
Well great that no one around you ever use those terms but I guess I live in a much harsher reality or see and hear much more than you.
Do I have friends that have called other women bitches (and not just when they’re complimenting each other, which is supposed to make it ok) yes, I do. Have I heard other women who are not my friends but co-workers call another woman a bitch out of anger, yes I have. Have I heard women just casually talking say “oh she’s such a bitch, or that bitch is crazy, yes I have. Have I heard women say to other women” you’re such a bitch”, yes I have. I’m not going to pretend I live in a world where women don’t use that type of language to describe another woman’s behavior. There’s a young woman at my job who has slept with several men here. Two of the guys are friends and one is just a coworker I chat with. When they were telling me that they didn’t know that she had slept with all three of them, they didn’t call her a slut to me. One guy said well she’s a player just like us. The other said damn I wish I had known she was messing with you. Guess what some of my female coworkers said. She’s a nasty ho, she’s a slut. Women are often the first to call women sluts or whores, especially if they think that woman is too loose with her body. Kim Kardashian has been called such names and it was mainly by females. Men were saying other repulsive stuff in regards to sleeping with her.
Even if men where to call a woman a bitch in a complimentary way some of us wouldn’t like it. But then it’s ok for us to use it in that same context. I’m not excusing Renner and I’m not a fan. If he had said BW is a bad bitch, meaning she’s great some people would have an issue with it. And let’s not pretend that there haven’t been posters on C/B calling some celebs bitches ( Paltrow and Berry comes to mind) . As for slut or ho, Kim, K comes to mind. Just travel outside of C/B and visit other sites and I bet you will find more women than men calling other women these names.
And you’ll be wrong every time.
Does it really matter if women call other women this? Isn’t wrong no matter who is saying it? Just because other people might do it doesn’t make it ok.
Making moral judgments about how a female or male engages in their own sexual activity is immoral in itself. It is like judging someone for what medical treatments they decide to have performed on their own body.
V4Real: For real? When did I say I’ve never heard those terms used before? I have and I do, but the women I choose to hang out with do not use them.
Since I’ve mostly worked with men, I’ve heard those terms used mostly by men. And much, much worse. Actually slut, whore and bitch are among the friendlier terms employed when condemning the actions of a woman. *sigh*
The Avengers press tour is going to be far more memorable than the movie itself!
It’s totally that
No, Renner, sleeping with a a thousand dudes/ women does not make you a slut.
This dude is a mistake in the movie industry anyway.
A big, big mistake. I have no idea how that happened or why it got this far.
Out of curiosity, what is a slut then if not someone promiscuous? I dont understand this culture (internet movement anyway) of making promiscuity okay.
“Promiscuity” is a morality judgment. Sexuality is a natural and healthy thing for all consenting adults to engage in.
what dont you understand about it? who is making sleeping arond ok? it is already ok. there are just a lot of backwards people shaming people who have lots and lots of partners because they are insecure and jealous or have outdated religious beliefs.
the majority of people in the west already is promiscuous, look at a random campus for example, people just dont talk about because they are shamed publicly.
that will probably change the more younger people get into power in politics and media. nowadays its simply the norm to sleep around as much as possible and try out a variety of partners so its seems extra weird that people still lie about it but never underestimate social stigma.
the fight for open promiscuity is pretty much won, we are just still battling the left overs but its far too wide spread to not be seen as a cultural change, people have way more partners than ever and are proud of it. the next big battle will be polyamory.
Hawkeye Syndrome is the new Short Man Syndrome
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why would you attack him for his body?
She’s not attacking his body. Short Man Syndrome is a slang term for a Napoleon Complex (another slang term). Some men who are small in stature feel emasculated being smaller than average and so overcompensate by acting macho or tough.
The irony is he doesn’t have a Napoleon Complex. He is overcompensating for being closeted. He plays the macho bro-man thing to front his real sexuality. I don’t think it bother him, even subconsciously, that he’s short. I think he fears losing whatever fan base he has because he thinks homophobes would view him as weak and not masculine because he’s attracted to men.
Like Jennifer said, short man syndrome is a term used to describe men who in their own head aren’t comfortable with their height and overcompensate for it by acting like knobs.
Hawkeye is by a lot of people considered to be the most forgettable and least remarkable of the Avengers so…..he’s overcompensating.
I wasn’t saying Renner is short, I was joking that it’s just another/new version of short man syndrome.
Oh dear…
He just can’t help himself, can he?
He seems genuinely. …….unpleasant.
This dude is an as*hole.
No explanation needed for that.
What an ass. It pisses me off how so few people acknowledge that the word “slut” is a gendered, cruel term that should never be used in the first place and is only applied to women. There are just some words that shouldn’t be used and slut is one of them imo.. If she slept with all of the Avengers, she still wouldn’t be a slut. IF he wanted to make a joke about her sleeping around, as sexist and nasty as it is, he could have used another word besides slut too and he knows that…he just wants to say slut.
He reminds me of those guys who try to claim that the N word just means “criminal” and that they would apply it to white guys who displayed “antisocial” behavour. Yeah Right!
Seriously, we need an NAACP/GLAAD type organisation. I assure you he would not have backtracked under the watch of those two organisations and if he had we would be reading about his sacking. We need to organise our outrage better than this.
Dear Jeremy Renner: Dude, just STFU. Seriously, just STOP.
Apparently it is okay to call black widow a slut because she is a fictional character in a movie, because we all know movies have zero impact on real life. Because if he knew her in real life he would never call black widow a slut. Right /sarcasm
Renee is a idiot. At least we all know what he thinks about women now. I hope that ex of his cleans his clock now.
He grosses me out. Reminds of old men from my small hometown and how they’d talk about women. Really classless, judgy and rude
And hypocrital for being judgmental considering dude is gay and will NOT come out of the closet. He will however, marry and impregnate a very young foreigner to bolster the idea that he is straight just to have her realize she is simply a beard in his web of lies who is now being vilified by Renner’s PR team, sued for custody of an unborn child and who will probably be deported, all because she got hep to his game. He is a slug!
There for a little while I thought he might have been going through a post divorce “I hate women phase” (not that that’s an excuse) but it seems like he’s always been like this. He uses the term slut like it’s a factual term. “She looked at this guy. She kissed this guy. She’s in love with this guy. So she must be a slut! No other explanation!” Gross. I mean, I’m not a huge fan of the hulk/widow thing but I can see it. He could have used that moment to reach out the fans, instead, he turned into a gross dudebro and dug himself into a bigger hole.
Dear Jeremy Renner, shut the f*ck up.
Am disappointed in Conan for basically congratulating him on making the comment in the first place then laughing along like calling people sluts is so witty. I expected more from Conan don’t know why.
Many men (don’t want to use “most” but…) seem to feel this way. They don’t say it to avoid looking bad, but it’s really common to hear them judge women by a different standard than the one they use for themselves.
Judgment coming from someone who clearly has enough skeletons in his closet to fill up a family crypt.
No, Renner. Black Widow is acting like a man which something you clearly know nothing about.
Between his dumbass, RDJ sense of entitlement and Whedon acting like a child, it is putting me off from seeing this film this weekend.
No spoilers here, but go and see it! Black Widow has a pretty great storyline that has nothing to do with all of this Renner-created drama. Plus there’s another fantastic female character with her own very interesting backstory. I enjoyed it a lot, and I typically avoid action movies and superheroes.
I more than likely will. I like Black Widow. Maybe the boys are jealous because of all the voices wanting the character to have her own film.
I absolutely hate the cultural disapproval of women who have sex without marriage/steady relationship, and slurs like “slut” embody it. A male, fictional or not, who f**ks a lot of people is a stud, a ladies man, whatever. A female doing the same? Oh plenty will want to sleep with her, and totally judge her at the same time. Hateful.
He’s so disgusting. I wish they’d kill him off, he brings nothing to the franchise.
And bottom line, no ones calling tony stark a slut for sleeping with a billion people, calling Natasha a slut for kissing 2 guys (1 undercover) is gross.
I agree this is uncalled for.
But this got me curious…is it ok to call a woman who sleeps with married people a slut or whore? I’m asking purely from language curiosity. Before anyone jumps, I do believe an affair is due to both parties, not just because of a seducer.
Policital correctness would have us beleive it’s never okay to call a woman a slut or a whore. The argument has been that it is her perogative to do with her body as she pleases. I can understand how calling any woman a slur is not helpful and that men who get around are not called derogatory names – although I consider them to be dogs. The gray area is in agreeing on whether or not sleeping around is bad – name-calling aside. I think it’s immoral and I don’t beleive women who do sleep around respect themselves or demand respect from others, but I get yelled at for that on here. Many think part of being feminist is doing whatever whenever they want and that there should be no consequences or judgment. I disagree. Exploiting yourself and allowing yourself to be disrespected and used is in no way feminist. I’ve agreed to disagree on that one. So, No, it’s not okay to call a woman who regularly sleeps with married men a “slut” or a “whore.” We call them mistresses or even home-wreckers, but it’s a slippery slope holding them resonsible for any part they play in infedility because the sensitive ones or the ones who themselves are guilty of sleeping around or being with married men will say the woman didn’t do anything wrong becuase she isn’t the one who’s married. I see women sleeping with married men as absolute enemies of women in general because I think we’re suppose to have each other’s back and think of all fellow women as sisters who we should be loyal to first rather than compete with. That’s my opinion. I’ll probably get jumped on too for not conforming to the idea that feminism means throwing all sense of morality out the window.
@jenniferjustice
If you believe women should have each other’s backs, then why are you so judgmental about the ones who chose so have multiple partners? Or does the sisterhood only include women who adhere to your personal life philosophy?
I said I agree to disagree. Just because I don’t agree with being promiscuous doesn’t mean I hate women who are. I don’t understand and I don’t align with it. I probably never will. What does that have to do with loyalty? According to your life philosophy, you can only be loyal to those who you agree with. There are lots of things I don’t agree with people on, but I can still be supportive of them as a person. And I don’t think women who sleep around are “bad.” Actually, I feel sorry for them. They may not want my sympathy, but that’s just how I view that subject. Every woman I know who is/was sleeping around, was not happy and did not benefit from it. They admit as much but also say they will probably continue. And I’m still friends with them. I’m also die-hard democrat, but I have friends who are die-hard republican. I don’t get it. I don’t agree and I never will. But I still like them just the same.
I’ve heard the ‘women who sleep around allow themselves to be disrespected and used’ argument a lot now and it always confuses me. You’re implying they aren’t drivers of the action, that if given the choice they’d rather be at home knitting and earning all the respect for keeping it in their pants – almost like no GOOD woman could possibly want to have sex just because she wants to. Such an outdated idea, women are sexual beings too. Besides, they are only disrespected by others making the active choice to do so, they are not allowing it. Judging them for receiving the disrespect of others is really piling on IMO.
As long as you called the ‘married’ partner a slut or whore as well.
Thanks for taking the time to give your opinions! This is why I love this site.
Whats the most commonly used term for a guy who sleeps with another mans wife? Hes just “guy who slept with married slut/whore”. And I’m talking regular usage rather than on just snarky internet blogs written by enlightened women.
To answer your question the phrase “women who had affair/s” surfices just fine. You dont need a special word for it.
We call these married people who sleep around “cheaters”. For me, that term is far worse than the derogatory words for women. A “Cheater” is a selfish, lying, sneaking snake in the grass – male or female. There is no word vile enough for the level of betrayal and selfishness involved. It’s not about sleeping around. It’s about being a deviant and ruining your family for what I interpret as a mere ego-boost. People who do this are infantile in their emotional development and do not deserve the families they are so quick to put on the line. Gender does not matter. Being in a committed relationship and deeply hurting your significant other is what matters.
Calling a woman a slut or whore is legally defamatory and she doesn’t have to prove damages, only that the statement was made.
It might work if it was actually funny, but all he did was hash out an old pejorative with no punchline. He was sort of cute in The Hurt Locker, but his persona and looks have taken a nosedive since then.
I just realized he qualified it with “I’d be a slut”. Still not hilarious.
Hopefully this will help Marvel to cut out the most useless avenger. Fire him!
I have never understood this guy’s (alleged) appeal. He has always looked and acted like a troll.
Wow! So much drama over a fictional character created in the 50s when it was the norm to portray women as sex pots. First, some facts: Black Widow was physically altered by enhanced biotechnology that made her resistant to aging and disease and allowed her body to heal at an abnormally rapid rate. She has lead a very long youthful life, so she had more relationships than most people. The enhancements left her infertile. Also, part of her “weaponry” if you will, was being a femme fatale. She led guys on to get them to let their guard down. She didn’t have sex with most of them – just toyed with them and made them think they had a chance with her so she could get info from them – she’s a spy for crying out loud. She has had many relationships but most were brief and may or may not have involved actual sex: She came into the comic craze as an antagonist to Iron Man. They did not like eachother and she tried to kill him and have be killed by her friends. Then she meets Hawkeye, whom she pits against Iron Man. The one she really fall for is DareDevil. She fights other women and female superheroes for his affection. She gets brainwashed by the KGB at some point, thinks she’s a regular person and marries a pilot but then gets her memories back and returns to being Black Widow. She has a relationship with the Winter Soldier and Hercules at some point. It is a big part of her character to be desired and use her sexuality to get what she needs to get a job done, but more than anything, she is a tease. And if she is having sex to get what she needs, it’s part of her “spy” mentality, not because she wants or needs that kind of attention. So, even if she did sleep with a million men, she isn’t doing it because she’s easy or lacks morals, it’s part of her job – not what her real person wants. Renner and Evans would have done better to simply say she is a femme fatale. That is what she is plain and simple.
so much much drama!!! enough already!
What a complete a$$hat!
I’m now thinking Marvel planned everything to give free promotion to their films from debates by feminist groups. Like they have done in the past with everything from hamburgers to clothes. Everybody talks about it and they get richer and richer.
I’m not even the teeniest motivated to see it.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with holding the opinion that passing it around is not a great idea. The double standard that men who do it are studs and women who do it are sluts is the problem. I think a dude who passes it around is kinda gross, same as I think a woman who passes it around is kinda gross.
The reaction to Beyonce’s Met Gala “dress” yesterday was overwhelmingly negative. Cheap, less is more, not ok for a mother, classless, etc. That’s basically “slut-shaming,” and that’s just about what she wore, not what she does.
I don’t disagree about the dress. But if you’re going to take the view that it’s not ok for a woman to dress in a “slutty” way, then how does that turn into, omg a woman should be able to sleep with however many men she wants and that’s not “slutty?”
I think dressing in a classless way is gross, and behaving in a classless way is gross, and it should apply equally to men and women.
I agree with everything you said. But then the debate turns into “sleeping around is not behaving classless” and “slutty” definitions differ. Upthread someone posted that promiscuity is a body choice but not connected to sexuality? What? Someone also posted about a person’s sexuality or number of partners being nobody’s business, so those judging must be jealous. A person’s personal choices may not affect us directly in that moment, however, when we women are striving for respect and equality, especially in the work place, where we want to be judged by our merit, skill, intellect, qualifications, etc. – all traits of the cerebral, and we still have women using their sexuality to get ahead, it pisses off the rest of us who have integrity and do not stoop to that level. So, yes, in an indirect way, female promiscuity does affect all of us as it perpetuates the idea that women are merely sexual objects to be the entertainment of men. A worse-case scenario, I worked with a woman who slept with our boss, was a total flake, had giant fake boobs totally on display every day, wore skirts slit all the way up to her hind-end and talked like a little baby doll. She got promoted and huge raises. They both got fired for other things, but make no mistake – that kind of crap sets feminism back and it just another form of prostitution. Outside the workplace, every woman, teen, friend, family, female I’ve know who slept around did not feel good about themselves. They weren’t doing it to be liberated or experience variety. The promiscuous women I’ve known did it for reassurance and/or affection.
I know that art reflects life, but I just haven’t been able to work up an uproar over this. This isn’t real-world slut-shaming, just a vaguely unfunny off-hand joke. I’d be offended if Black Widow/Scarlett wasn’t allowed to crack jokes back about her shameless man-whore colleagues. Or, neurotic super-heroes with psycho-sexual mommy issues, as the case may be.
Yeah, I’m somewhere in between you and others on this.
On one hand I’m incredibly sick of the way “slut/whore/ho/whatever” is thrown around so casually. But on the other hand, discussing a fictional character in the context of a joke (they were clearly attempting to be humorous) is really different to me than calling say, an actress, a “slut” because she has had several boyfriends or whatever. I think what they said was stupid and unfunny, but I also think it’s bizarre that people are boycotting movies that Renner is in because of this. Don’t get me wrong–that is entirely their right, I just mean that it doesn’t make sense to me on a personal level. I watch movies to be entertained or to see great acting or a great story, and if an actor can give me that, I’m gonna watch him in a movie. At the end of the day, that’s their job, and I don’t have to like them as people to enjoy them onscreen.
But I know that a lot of people disagree with that, it’s just my perception.
I usually will only boycott actors or directors in more extreme circumstances. I refuse to see anything by Woody Allen or Roman Polanski, and I won’t see anything with Tom Cruise. I really think he doesn’t see any problem with what he said. He probably thinks “well by definition, she is a slut so I called her a slut.” It’s ignorance, but I don’t necessarily want to burn him at the stake. I do think he is an idiot, though.
i like that he is unapologetic. people this days just LIKE to feel onfended, no one wants to grow up and let other have different opinions. it’s just boring to live in a world without adults.
*offended.
I don’t like to feel offended but I do find it incredibly hypocratical when a closeted gay man uses gender slurs and states his unapologetic stance on the grounds that he should be allowed to be honest. If he’s wants to be able to be honest w/out repercussion, he should start with himself and just come out already.
what he does in his personal life is his problem, and he has that right in his favour. i think its just in poor taste to “accuse” him to be a closeted gay man and talk about his hypocritical comment. please, try again.
He is known to be gay. He can do what he wants in his personal life, but being in showbiz, his personal life is out there as much as he allows. He was pretty loud about his getting the Canadian woman pregnant and he’s been loud in his attempts to slander her now that they are over. He hides being gay, but says he won’t apologize for calling a character a slut because that’s how he sees it. Well, I see him as somebody lying to the public about who he is but falling on “honesty” to avoid backlash for a classless comment. He has the right to lie and then pretend to be an honest person, but how does that bolster your argument that he’s not a hypocrate when it comes to honesty? So, you try again.
But it’s just SO MUCH FUN to live in a world run by men who routinely deny women rights and opportunities based on their gender and sexuality and the idea that we are completely inferior to them. Wow, you’re such an “adult”, aren’t you? Enjoy your lack of rights, traitor, you don’t deserve them in the first place.
And maybe try the edit button when you make a typo instead of posting another comment pointing out how stupid you are.
Damn it, I used to like Renner and now I think he’s a real turd blossom.
Just saying, you’re pretty dumb, aren’t you Renner?
Oh well…
I rarely break this word out (not British so it’s never used as a good thing) I even used to find it almost pearl clutching but he’s earned it!!! Renner, you’re coming across as a real C*nt. And I’m unapologetic about that.
Are you a man or a woman? Because either way, you SHOULD be apologetic about breaking out that word. You’re no better than Renner and Evans.
There are a few things at play here. The obvious sexism of that type of comment. The apparent misogyny that Renner seems to have.
And the fact that while this isn’t a “kids’ movie”, it’s still a movie that many kids and young people will go to, will read about, will watch interview clips on tv or online, etc. – and that audience should inspire a level of respect and appropriateness, even if he didn’t have respect and appropriateness for the project/his employers.
On so many levels, he’s just a big ICK. And he keeps driving that point home. So why do we cut him slack?
It’s like Elizabeth Banks and her meangirl comments about Tara Reid. She could have left it at ‘a lot of us were in competition & we didn’t all survive’. That wasn’t shade. But her ‘I do love Sharknado’ WAS shade. It was total meangirl snark, that wasn’t a compliment, that was full shade. And we still say “I just love her”. Why? Why are we all about the go-girl attitude, so much that we’ll overlook a comment that was classless, mean & unnecessary?
He’s gross, and I’ve been wary of Coco for awhile now.
The fact that this man has such a public platform to spew his odious thoughts makes me weep for society…
Ugly person, inside AND outside.
I used to think Jeremy Renner was ok. Now that’s completely changed. Why is he still allowed to give interviews?
Thought you might want to read this:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/29/black-widow-scarlett-johansson-sexism-avengers-jeremy-renner-chris-evans
this was explained perfectly, it’s a double standard and I think conan didn’t say anything because it would have made renner look bad and put on the spot, but they could have edited that out, right?
conan’s wife would have said something, she seem to get it
can he just SHUT THE HECK UP PLEEASE.
He’s so insulting!!
Big deal, who cares, people are making such a bid deal of a fictional SciFi character.
For goodness sake – this is what people are getting worked up about? Of all the serious issues, this warrants an article. Well if it does, at least be accurate. He didn’t say if you slept with four of the Avengers, you would be called a slut; he said, “If you slept with four Avengers, you’d be a slut.” And again, what part of fictional character and joking does everyone not get???
He’s an entertainer. If people don’t find him to be entertaining, then they have the choice of not seeing/renting his movies.