SPOILERS for the Season Finale of Game of Thrones, “Mother’s Mercy”
Well, damn. That was the darkest, most depressing season finale ever. The only bright spot was pretty much the return of Varys, and while that part of the storyline was lovely, it wasn’t enough for the awfulness. Just know: a lot of actors are doing end-of-season interviews so I’m probably going to do multiple Game of Thrones posts today. Let’s begin with the recap/discussion.
Dany’s Men in Meereen. Peter Dinklage could have chemistry with a piece of wood, so I enjoyed the bickering between Tyrion and Daario. Honestly, that would have been a lovely pairing off, but instead I think Jorah Mormont is going to give Daario Greyscale while they journey to find Dany. Daario and Jorah leave Tyrion in charge of Meereen, with Missandei and Grey Worm helping him. Am I the only who thinks that threesome is going to do really well together? And ten bucks says Tyrion develops a crush on Missandei.
The return of Varys. I just enjoyed that! I love that Varys always survives and thrives. He will be a great addition to the Meereen team too.
Dany is somewhere. Drogon is tired and injured and he just wants to rest in his favorite (?) spot, where it looks like he brings his fresh kills to savor. Dany’s all, “Seriously, we need to go back” and he’s all “nope.” So she goes off in search of food and suddenly she’s surrounded by thousands of horses and riders. So where is she? Since Tyrion had seen Drogon by Valyria, I thought he would take her there. But I think Dany is some place we haven’t seen before.
Stupid Dorne Storyline. I mean, I’m happy that something finally happened, but good God. So Ellaria Sand and the Sand Snakes finally got their revenge on the Lannisters – Ellaria gave Myrcella a long kiss goodbye, literally. Ellaria had poison on her lips and the poison killed Myrcella less than a mile from the Dornish shore. I don’t get this play, though – now the Lannisters have Prince Trystane, right? So they can hold another Martell hostage in Westeros.
Arya is not No One. Ayra ignores her duty to kill that other dude so she can kill the first person on her list, Meryn Trant. It was gory and amazing. She stuck a small blade in each of his eyes and just stabbed him repeatedly as she told him who she was and why she was killing him. It was pretty hardcore. When she returns the borrowed face back to the Hall of Faces, Jaqen H’ghar is all “I know what you did,” etc. What goes down next is pretty freaky – Jaqen takes poison but it’s not really him because he is No One and the other girl become Jaqen and then Arya goes blind. It’s all kind of crazy.
Sansa finally does something. She breaks out of her room – using the stolen corkscrew, it looks like – and finally makes her way to the Broken Tower to light a candle for Brienne, only Brienne looks away at just the wrong moment, of course. So Sansa, seeing the battle between Stannis’s army and the Bolton army play out from the tower, decides to look for a way out. Ramsey’s mistress Myranda and Reek find her and Myranda is about to shoot an arrow through some part of Sansa, I guess, when Reek finally becomes Theon and shoves Myranda off the side of the building. Theon grabs Sansa and for some reason, their only solution is to jump, Thelma & Louise-style, holding hands all the way down. It looked like quite a jump too – easily eight to ten floors. So, was it a suicide pact or something else? I really don’t even know.
Stannis gets what’s coming to him. I hoped Stannis would survive just long enough to kill Ramsey Bolton, but the Bolton forces overwhelmed Stannis’s beleaguered half-force (they even arrived on foot). Stannis barely survives the battle when Brienne of Tarth finds him. She gives him the noble speech about serving his brother and seeing the smoke monster with Stannis’s face kill Renly and he’s all, “Get to it.” So she does chop off his head. Right? We didn’t see the final moment, but I’m sure she did. Gwendoline Christie talked about Brienne’s minimal actions this season and her final moment in the finale to EW – go here to read.
Cersei’s Walk of Shame. It kills me that she’s still lying her ass off to the High Sparrow, thinking that she’s only “confessing” to what he already knows. I’m pretty sure the High Sparrow knows a lot more, but that’s an issue for next season, I suppose. So one of her punishments – along with a future trial?! – is to walk naked through the streets of King’s Landing while the commoners insult her and throw things at her. While I hate Cersei and think she’s an awful politician and queen, I think Lena Headey has brass balls for the way she played that whole scene. Lena really does deserve special recognition when it comes to handing out acting awards this season. Lena talked about the walk of shame to EW – go here to read.
The return of The Mountain. Qyburn has been working on his “special project” of reanimating, Frankenstein-like, Ser Gregor Clegane following his death at the hands of the Red Viper of Dorne (rest in peace). When Cersei finally arrived back at the Red Keep, Quburn was the first to go to her and cover her. Then he introduced her to Robert Strong, who is The Mountain. Blah.
Everything at The Wall. Oh, God. Jon Snow sends Sam, Gilly and the baby away to the Citadel so Sam can study to be a maester. Sam gets out just in time. Ser Davos pleads with Jon to give Stannis more supplies, but then Melisandre shows up and wordlessly confirms that everyone is dead. Davos only cared about Princess Shireen and Melisandre doesn’t say how Shireen actually died. So, Davos and Melisandre are definitely at the Wall when the last part goes down – Ser Alliser Thorn and some Night’s Watch brothers assassinate Jon Snow, Julius-Cesaer-style. Olly – stupid Olly!! – give the final stab. And that’s the last image of the finale… Jon Snow wordlessly bleeding out in the snow. WHERE WAS GHOST? Will Melisandre resurrect Jon? Everyone associated with the show is saying no, that Jon Snow is dead. BUT IS HE? I’ll be doing another post on this today.
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Mellisandre.
That’s all I’m saying.
That hefer. The only words I ever want hear out of her mouth are “Lord of Light, Lord of Light, bring back Jon Snow”.
Ha!! +1 Olenna!
I loathe Melisandre, but yesssssss to this, PLEASE!
She better bring him back. And in secret. So he can casually take out the mutineers, before capturing Allisar Thorne and beheading him publicly. AND GHOST BETTER BE OKAY!
There was so much going on last night, it was hard to keep up. I think Jorah suspects Daario’s involvement in the rebellion. Having loved Dany himself, I think he knows the lengths someone would go to in order to secure a future with her. I see both of them dying. Jorah will confront Daario. They’ll fight. Daario will kill Jorah, but not before he infect Daario. We’ll see.
I hope Brienne did actually kill Stannis. I was holding out for Selyse to murder him in his sleep, and then go for Melissandre. But we don’t always get what we want. Do you hear that Stannis! We don’t always get what we want. I was happy when half his army deserted. I had hoped the horror on some of their faces when Shireen died would lead to some kind of action.
I don’t think Ellaria gives a sh*t about Trystane. For her it’s all about Oberyn. Trystane is just the son of a man she despises. As far as she’s concerned, Doran is a weak leader, so she probably thinks Dorne is better off without his heir. But why didn’t Jamie immediately order the ship turned around? I mean, good lord, they weren’t even half a mile from port.
And while I’m on why nots, why didn’t Cersei immediately order the gold cloaks or the kingsguard to cut down the sparrows as soon as she got to the Red Keep?? That’s what I was expecting. Her go to tool is brute force, and she has NEVER played the long game, being woefully short sighted.
Somewhere along the line Melisandre stopped bugging me. I actually find her character really intriguing. After all, she has real power and she genuinely thinks that she’s working for the greater good.
Most fanatics do.
Amen mimif.
Also… wth took you so long??? I’ve been waiting for you and Paola all morning!
Is Paola here yet?? I stayed up late analyzing so had to let you fellow fanatics do all the heavy lifting for me this morning. 😀
Her fanaticism derives from the fact that she has REAL power and REAL visions – not only does she think she has to save the world, but she’s got the juice to back it up, so to speak. That’s a huge difference between her and the Sparrows; the Red Priests can raise people from the dead for goodness sake!
And I’ve actually found her to be an interesting twist on the literary trope; instead of the prophet with true visions that no one believes, she’s the prophet with true visions that completely misinterprets them.
No Paola. I’m concerned… Was there ever a Paola? Was she actually No One??
Yeah I like Mel more in the books. Actually, now that I think about it, a little humility on the show might make her more interesting, because her whole the night is dark and full of burning people schtick (oh and btw look at my tatas) on the show thing is so campy to me.
After all that hinting and such about Jon Snow’s heritage, they’d better bring him back in some form, otherwise, that’s pretty lousy story telling. My money’s on Melisandre and if he is half Targaryan and they try to burn his corpse, perhaps between the Red Witch and that pyre, he’ll resurrect?
Damn, I’m kind of pissed about the whole episode.
Only seeing Sansa and Theon making a ‘run’ for it left me feeling hopeful.
I was so thrilled to see Dany interacting with Tyrion and then they get separated…
Those sadistic showrunners had better get their narrative acts together next season.
I love reading everyone’s reactions. Say what you will about GRRM and D&D, but they certainly get the conversation flowing….
Reddit was hilarious. So many butthurt Stannis fans on the ASOIAF board complaining that the producers are completely misinterpreting the source material! Waaaah!
I don’t think Jon’s dead. I’m not even worried about him. Which may or may not be wise of me…
was I the only one who hoped that, as they panned in on his face at the end, his eyes would turn ice blue and he’d go all whitewalker on the watch?
of course I also wanted Shireen to fly out of the flames resurrected as a dragon. . .
HODOR!!!
HODOR!!!!
DROGON!!!!
No, no Drogon. He was an unhelpful capricious child. He needs a time-out until he learns to cooperate.
Dude was a little beat tho, did you see all those spear wounds he had?
No excuses. Dude was being willful before the whole fight came about.
He’s a dragon, not Barney. 😉
Wun Wun!!!!
YEAH!!
GHOST!
I cant believe John Snow is dead…… I so badly didn’t want him to be dead that I almost hoped the White Walkers would come and resurrect him. 🙁
So sad now….
In GOT nobody is dead until decapitated with ripped heart and burned in ashes. Remember Beric Dondarrion.
I have hope for both Stannis and Jon. We didn´t see them actually die.
Yes, rather sloppy that the Night’s Watch didn’t burn the body immediately.
We get a gory stabfest for Jon, but not even a blood drop for Stannis? I’m putting on my tinfoil hat and discuss here.
If anybody doesn’t want book spoilers, STOP HERE.
1) Jon needs to be resurrected, likely by Mel. There’s no kingsblood at the Wall since they burned Mance and they effectively cut the subplot with Mance’s baby travelling to Oldtown.
2) No on-screen death. All major characters have gotten an on-screen death.
3) Brienne is painfully honour-bound. So is Stannis, illustrating it with admitting to killing Renly, and accepting his punishment. Something might’ve happened there. They catch up with Theon and Sansa and head for the wall (I imagine it’s a trip consisting of a lot of teeth grinding and seriousness)
4) There’s so much more tinfoil from where it came from.
Ooh, it does get really, really hot under that hat, might’ve just baked my brain. I retire and go eat some soup.
Bring on the tinfoil. Only death can pay for life. Maybe Stannis did get whacked and that’s what rezzes Jon?
My first thought about Jon (after the initial shock) was: Well, his head is still on his shoulders, so there’s hope yet!
Don’t be sad, he’s not dead. He warged his soul into Ghost, Mel will resurrect his body, his soul will return with the added benefit of having technically died for even a short time, Jon is now released from his Night’s Watch vows, which frees him to pursue his true identity and destiny. Of course the show runners are saying Jon is dead – what else would they say? They want to tune in next season.
God I really want to believe you. As much as kitty kitty bang bang can be a sensitive, stop calling me beautiful actor, he has grown on me as Jon snow in the show and I’m only up to book 3 and feel like I can’t go on now. I’m not going to lie, I was devastated and really do want his character ( especially with his link regarding his birth parents), to still be a big part in this saga.
You go Epiphany, I like that theory, now that the series has mostly caught up with the books, I hope that Martin keeps Snow somehow, or I’m not sure I’ll be watching as much next season (though Tyrion is amazing too).
You really need to parse what Harington and the producers are saying; jon SNOW is dead, but Jon ——— is very much alive, and will now discover who he really is – as will we. So, from that perspective, they’re not really lying about Jon Snow, they’re just not telling the entire truth. BTW, there are 9 blanks up there – fill them in and you’ll know Jon’s real identity (at least IMO)
Book 5 ended the same way…..Jon getting stabbed by his brothers. I never once thought he was actually dead and gone. Still don’t.
1. The show has made such a huge point at hinting at Jon being a Targaryen this season that I don’t think they’d just drop it. R+L=J
2. Mellisandre is at the Wall. The Lord of Light’s priests can resurrect people. ( Beric Dondarion)
3. GRRM loves twists. He never goes for the obvious.
Isn’t Jon Snow the possessor of the some “royal blood” that she’s always going on about? Did she encourage this act so that she could get a hold of some?
Hmm i’ve had a thought about why Melissandre was obsessed with burning Shireen – i think that Shireen is who Jon is brought back. Royal blood is powerful and it could be that the Lord of the Light demands a life for a life i.e. to bring someone back someone else has to die. Hence to bring back royalty, royalty has to be sacrificed.
Am not sure he’s completely gone – the way it was written in the books left it open to interpretation and am sure there is a twist somewhere with Jon.
That’s an interesting theory. Though are we just stuck on the whole ‘life for a life’ thing because of the House of Black and White?
I posted the same thing about Shireen last week, that her sacrifice will ultimately bring Jon back and then Mel’s going to realize who Azor Ahai really is.
Yeah, I don’t think either Jon or Stannis are dead. RIP Myrcella though, we hardly knew you.
They Shonda’d him. 🙁
I guess I’m in the minority here because I didn’t like his character or the storyline that went with it. His are the scenes I was most likely to FF past. Boring. I hope he’s dead, never to be seen again. I hope next season isn’t all about people walking to their destinations (as has been the case too often). I hope that the good guys win something, even if its the last cockle. I hope. I hope….
The best parts are the parts with Peter & the dragons. He even made his short time at the wall interesting. Everything else is just filler. Badly drawn out interspersed with female nudity filler.
I love Lena Headly. She is an amazing actress and I love Queen Cersi. I love how evil she is and how she’s getting what’s coming to her. Overall simply amazing.
Cersei’s scene was my favorite in the episode and I got chills watching it (and hearing the sad verison of “Rains of Castamere” in the background). Lena totally deserves an Emmy for it!
Her face when FrankenMountain picked her up gave me the chills. Those two are going to be pure evile together.
And ditto to the amazing Lena Headey, she’s a phenom.
I love Cersei. I don’t think she’s evil, I think everything she does is motivated by love for her children, which is why she’s an awful ruler. For her, it’s all about protecting her children. She’s the ultimate helicopter mom. She’s not thinking long term strategies, she’s thinking, “This person may cause problems for my child, they need to die.” At least that’s how I view her.
I agree with you to a certain extent, but she’s also haunted by her prophecies and preventing them from happening (no luck there). If Myrcella is actually dead, Cersei is going to lose her shit. She’s already a paranoid, delusional drunk, one kid left and a valonqar coming for her…I can see her and FrankenMountain doing some terrible, terrible things. I actually fear for Jaime at this point.
Cersei doesn’t _really_ love her children. She somehow loves them, but not in a good way. She didn’t really care about Myrcella and she never cared about Thommen until they became important and useful to her.
( I might add that I’ve read the books and it’s much more obvious in the books. However, it’s not different in the show, just less obvious.)
Cersei is a pretty awful person – she’s vain, petty, selfish, and mean as a snake. She’s only protective of her children because they’re extensions of her, and even then the only one she really liked was Joffrey.
I cried through out her walk of shame and I’m not a fan of Cersei. It was all on Lena Headley’s acting. Emmy yes.
Then Myrcella and Jaime’s heart to heart was my other cry moment. “I’m glad you are my father”
Her acting was divine, but I care not a wit for Cersei – she is evil.
Great last three episodes for a a really boring season. I think Jon is alive. For some reason I can’t imagine him alive. I think Sansa and Theon are also alive. Saved by jumping into hay or something. Hate that the new season isn’t for a year.
My fiancé suggested a very large snow drift. Or maybe Theon sacrifices himself and cradles her on the fall to take the force himself? But Sansa is definitely alive. I also voiced my displeasure over having to wait another year.
yes – if you read the book before their jump another dude is made to jump off the wall for saying something or another – and he lands in the large snowdrifts and manages to live though he has a broken leg – there are some spoilers in the book 5 about Theon – but things involving Theon and Sansa are the most wildy diverged from the books it is hard to say. ..
Yup, I expect everyone from the show to say that Jon Snow is dead. They can’t really say after that episode aired that “Lulz guys, just kidding!”. I say he his “mostly dead” as per Princess Bride.
It IS convenient that Melisandre fled to Castle Black where she could have gone anywhere. And as per Sam – “Jon always comes back”.
My thoughts exactly, Melisandre still has a part to play. I don’t want to give away any book spoilers, but this particular plotline has diverged wildly from the novel, so who knows what Melisandre might be able to do?
But Melisandre is now right where the book left her.
@Lilacflowers She is indeed, but I meant what happened to Jon after the attack more than her. 🙂
Melissandre will give him the kiss of life. She has the ability and has a very strong interest in Jon. She came back to the wall for a reason. I’m sure she saw something in her flames, so she better resurrect him!
I loathe her and wish she would die, but not yet! Jon needs her. And where the Eff was Ghost?!?! 🐺
Yeah she’s been interested in him for a while. Maybe she’s finally realized she’s not reading visions in the flames correctly.
I hope Jon is just mostly dead, and that would make Melisandre Miracle Max. Does Jon have “true love” to live for?
If Ghost is kept confined, the NW would have killed him. Hopefully he’s been allowed to free roam, and hauled ass.
the definition of resurrection is ‘rising from the dead’. So yeah no one of the crew is lying: Jon Snow is dead.
1) Doubt Jon is dead. Showrunners obviously will say he’s not coming back, etc. but what else are they going to say really? Though the scene was painful to watch – wretched little OLLY! – i think Mel will bring him back. Jon always comes back, remember?
2) ARYA. That scene of her killing Meryn Trant was brutal but what ensued after that was the freakiest, creepiest thing ever.
3) Stannis isn’t dead! Rule of TV: if they don’t show you the death, the death did not happen. Also, it looked like Stannis was looking off to someone behind Brienne? ALSO, do you think he’l like, kill Mel if she came back or whatever? Pretty f-ed up of her to desert him at the first sign of weakness… his men though, i totally get it because i would’ve done the same thing.
In short, A Girl was squealing all over her damn apartment last night. And then had a good chuckle watching Veep right after that. Good combination!
Nah. Stannis is dead. They just didn’t show it because it was gory and he’s a dude.
Funny you should mention that considering Meryn Trant, Oberyn Martell, Mago (Dothraki rider who had his tongue ripped out by Drogo) and Rodrik Cassel had such clean, dignified deaths.
And Viserys.
Honestly, given the other deaths that have happened on screen on GoT, if Stannis really was beheaded while wounded and sitting against the tree, that would probably be the least gory death so far.
Uhuh. And the other people who died ugly deaths, like Oberyn Martell , Viserys Targaryen, Ned Stark, Jeor Mormont, Joffrey Baratheon, Renly Baratheon, Robb Stark, Barristan Selmy, Jojen Reed, Jon Snow, Meryn Trant, [endless list of show deaths]…
They’re all women. All of them. Right?
Really, dude.
If Brienne didn’t kill him, she really is the worst (and I love her). She left Sansa to go avenge Renly and has been banging on about it since he was killed so if she had a change of heart then they have written her as a complete idiot.
I believe he is dead though.
Brienne cut the wrong way to kill him though. Stannis’ left side was leaning against a tree, Brienne cut from the tree side side towards the right, not Stannis his right side towards the tree.
I totally thought he was looking off in the distance at something too. If he is dead, I’ll miss Stephan Dillane, he did a fine job playing such an unlikable character.
He definitely looked like he was looking at something behind her.
And I agree, he did a great job as Stannis. It says a lot about the job he did that so many people were rooting for his completely unlikeable character.
Maybe Littlefinger was arriving with his army or the Greyjoys with theirs
He still look pretty defeated tho. That wasn’t a look of DUDE ARMIES! It was more like, f-ck it, do your thing.
I said this down thread, but I hate myself for rooting for Stannis. I still wish he hadn’t been the one to burn his daughter, that’s obviously a deal breaker, but he was an interesting character (to me anyway) nonetheless.
It was nice to have someone who may have been an antagonist but wasn’t pure evil. Pure evil gets tiring to watch.
Copy that. So tired of Ramsey and his LOL I’m psycho and I’m going to torture/maim/kill you (even though I think the actor does a great job).
Yeah I think the Red Witch will resurrect Jon Snow. It’s too much of a coincidence that she just happened to arrive at The Wall.
I don’t think Theon and Sansa are dead. The snowfall below was still fresh and think it will cushion their fall for their escape. I hope.
Maester Qyburn newly engineered Mountain= death to everyone on Cersei’s Shit List.
I don’t think Stannis is dead either
If Myranda went splat when Theon threw her off the wall, why didn’t Theon and Sansa go splat when they jumped off the wall? Doesn’t make sense.
Myranda hit dirt, rocks, hard ground. Sansa and Theon jumped to what looked like a huge mound of snow.
Miranda hit the cobblestones of the inner courtyard. Theon and Sansa are jumping into snow.
It probably didn’t help that Myranda landed what appeared to be head first.
Oof that made me laugh, B.
I bet you heard the sound she made too!
MAYBE
HODOR!!!
HODOR!
Oh look, Theon actually did something….
Whereas, Dorne is still a bust. What was the point of that whole storyline?
Dany was in that white thing when she left, right? Then she’s in blue? Did Drogon pack an overnight bag? Was she wearing one of those QVC outfit of a 1,000 styles things?
Still looked white to me. Just dirty and a little scorched.
Oh lawd, is GRR Martin chiming in on was it white or gold? It looked blue to me. But my retinas are corkscrew shaped, or something or other.
😉
That’s all we get? I was expecting tears of joy at least! Can’t believe Theon finally stepped up and I was slightly shocked Sansa went for it. Not like she has much choice in the matter but, way to go Theon. And how creepy was Myranda, so glad she’s gone. And who agrees that Sansa is probably preggo? 😖
Mimi, Sansa being preggo is definitely a possibility. Ugh, imagine being knocked by that psycho Ramsey! I shudder at the thought of this 😓
I thought the bit where Myranda was saying “Ramsey will only keep you long enough to give him or son, maybe two” could have been a little foreshadowing.
She’ll drink moon tea
The showrunners can say it until they are blue in the face, but Jon Snow is not dead. He will live (again?). I have zero doubt.
I want him on that Wall, I NEED him on that Wall.
This is the one time I actually want Melisandre around.
HAHA at the Few Good Men ref!
I am thinking they’re wording it carefully, like Jon Snow is technically dead but he’ll come back as something/one else or with a different name?
Kind of like the Hound thing in the books. The wording is very careful.
LOL!
I’m going to be on Kit Harington hair watch the next few months. If he cuts it, Jon’s probably dead. #science
Ohhhhhh how crafty of you 🙂
#AbbottBrilliance
Don’t wanna spoil it but e’s already been spotted in Belfast (with Rose!) and his hurrr was very long.
On another site, posters were stating that there are new photos of Kit (in Belfast?) where the Wall scenes are filmed. I guess Rose/Ygritte was there with him also. That would imply he’s filming season six.
I hope he’s not dead, because I really bought into R + L = J. Kit’s interview to EW stated very clearly – I’m done. Not Jon’s done, but I’m done. There’s speculation that maybe Jon will pull a Bran and skip a season.
My issue is that if GRRM chose to kill him, it would essentially be because he was peeved that everyone figured out the big reveal (because he’s taken forever and a day to write the books). It’s one of the linchpins of the story for goodness sake – the idea that the whole war was brought about because Jon needed to be born to fight the Others. Though I really wouldn’t put it past GRRM at this point to change his mind in a fit of pique.
+1 and then other times I don’t think he even cares anymore.
I think the spotting was fake. Filming doesn’t start until next month and I don’t think Rose would be with him (they might be friends, but would you join your ex at work, a few weeks after your break up?).
Mia girl – good one!
Melisandre arriving just as Jon is dead…yeah…i can see something happening there.
Will Robert Strong be her champion in a trial by combat, is that where most think it’s going? It looked to me like the thought she was in the clear now the walk is done. I was hoping we’d not see his eyes, if that makes sense, like he looked a little too…human.
Does Myrcella die in the books? Hows that going to work out? Worst stealthy kill in history.
Myrcella is still alive at the end of Book 5 but she’s missing an ear and Lady Nym, not Tristane is sent to serve on the Council.
Since all the prophesies of mystics etc seem to come true in the books, i would think that Myrcella dying would happen eventually. All of Cersei’s children are prophesied to die.
But . . but what about L+R=J? I guess it could still be true, but irrelevant . . .?
Probably very relevant. Jon SNOW is dead, but Jon Stark or Jon TARGARYEN (or whatever their Bastard children are called) might live. And as his watch has ended he is free to do whatever he wants.
wow Linn you’re sooo right! he’s not gonna be Jon Snow anymore….he has king’s blood. 🙂
Jon is not dead. Well, he is dead. But he’s be alive again. I read the EW recap and the writer pointed out that Kit didn’t get any goodbye gifts, which apparently is a standard when someone dies on the show. Melisandre showing up just before Jon gets stabbed is no coincidence.
And speaking of on Melisandre, LOL at her “Oops! Sorry I was wrong! BYE!” and leaving Stannis.
And speaking of Stannis, I don’t think he is dead either. There was a reason they didn’t show is body. I think Brienne cut off that bad leg, but I don’t think she killed him.
And I don’t think Reek and Sansa are dead. The only one dead is Myrcella.
Who is to say Melisandre wasn’t lying to Stannis this whole time? Everything up till now was lining up ducks so the proper fate can play out… lord of light must love dragons!
I don’t think she new sh!t. She had this look on her face when she left. I think she misread the freaking fire and realized it too late so she just ran to wherever her visions showed her to run.
Yeah, I think she bolted because she didn’t want to end up dead.
She was all happy and smug when she saw the icicles melting and quickly changed her expression to horror and fear when she got news of the mutiny
I think she split because he rejected her physical overture. She knew it was over. When she arrived at the Wall, she seemed to know they all were dead. Having not witnessed it, is she guessing, or saw a vision?
I think there were subtle hints that she realized that she may have been wrong about Stannis. Book readers may remember why she chose Stannis in the first place: her vision was of dragons being born from stone (or something like that) from the fire – so she went to the Lord of Dragonstone, thinking that her vision literally meant that the castle would turn into a dragon. But obviously as she interacted with Jon it was clear she realized there was something going on with him.
See, she’s stupid. Joking, joking.
Myrcella might not be dead either since there is an antidote for the poison. Bronn might have it.
I had not considered that. I don’t think Bronn would have the antidote. Unless it was slipped to him. However, as he took the antidote, I wonder if it remains in his system? Hmmmm.
But in that scene where Cersei is a young girl, isn’t she being told that she loses all her children?
God, I hope Myrcella isn’t dead at this point. Not because I care about the character but it was just an inane ending to an already terrible Dorne plot.
Ellaria killing Myrcella will result in Trystane’s certain death (if Jaime is suddenly too noble to kill an innocent like TrystZayn, I will riot as should crippled preteen Bran). Doran will most definitely kill Ellaria and the Sand Snakes (“I believe in second chances, not third”) as Oberyn and the Sand Snakes are known for poison and Myrcella’s death will be too obvious. Plus the ship wasn’t far from the shore, there’s absolutely nothing to stop them from turning the ship back around and murdering these stupid, one-dimensional women.
And what was with Myrcella being down with her uncle being her father? Incest is not a good thing, showrunners…even if Jaime can’t help whom he loves.
To sort out this mess, I hope Bronn nabbed an antidote from Tyene and uses it to cure Myrcella in the S6 premiere. With the princess still alive, Jaime and Bronn decide to be the antithesis of Ellaria and the Sand Snakes and play out a war with caution. Word reaches Dorne that Jaime, Myrcella and crew reached King’s Landing safely. Ellaria initially freaks out but Doran takes her and the Sand Snakes aside, tells them that they were stupid last season and that he has plans. Ellaria realises what a dumbass she’s been, realises that she was mad with grief which made her irrational, becomes focused on bringing down the Lannisters in a more subtle way and puts the safety of her daughters first. This would not only align with her book counterpart, but also her characterisation in Season 4 where she often had to calm down Oberyn’s hotheadedness. Throw in Arianne and you can save the Dorne storyline, even make it intriguing like it was in the books.
Unfortunately, I’ve lost faith in good writing on this show. Benioff and Weiss know how to write big moments and occasionally good dialogue but they think purely in terms of shock factor and TV writing rather than follow-through and logic. George R.R. Martin has his flaws but GoT is critically acclaimed because of his plot, writing and dialogue; and not the showrunners who’ve put more steps wrong then right when diverging from the books.
Would Doran really kill his nieces? I see him killing Ellaria – she was simply his brother’s paramour. The sand snakes are Doran’s blood.
I agree with you Sean. I wouldn’t be surprised if Bronn had the antidote – otherwise it makes that prison interlude seem even more pointless. But good lord this whole Dorne story has just been the worst.
Except it sure looked like Bronn sucked up that whole vial of antidote.
Maybe Tristane carries some around with him? But I suspect Myrcella is not just merely dead; she’s really most sincerely dead.
The only interesting thing about the Dorne storyline is Bronn IMO. He is more and more sexy with each episode.
I think Myrcella is dead dead as well. And the most interesting thing about Dorne (imo), is how the writers/producers could take one of the arguably most intriguing kingdoms of Westeros, and turn it into a Disneylandia come Charlie’s Angels slash Dynasty object of ridicule. Complete with it’s own Pirates of the Sand Snakes amusement ride.
“And I don’t think Reek and Sansa are dead. ”
I don’t think so either. I actually didn’t even consider they COULD be dead, which is silly considering the height of that fall. I just assumed they landed in snow.
Theon and Sansa are SO not dead. I think Myrcella is though, considering Cersei’s prophesy.
“The only one dead is Myrcella”. It looked like she fainted not died. The poison is a slow killer, it works through your body for a while to make you suffer days see Sir Strong at The Red Keep. I would be disappointed in Bron if he didn’t steal some antidote from the pretty Sandsnake. As soon as that “long kiss” happened, I was like Bron you better grab some antidote.
Besides the witch said Cersei’s children will die with crowns. So Myrcella has to be Queen first before being killed. Jaime is about to turn that ship around and kill everyone in Dorne!
Good point about the crowns but…I’m thinking the HS already knows that her children are born of incest, so that would make both Tommen and Myrcella illegitimate. Crown of gold *could* also mean blonde hair. Also, this part wouldn’t quite fit:
“Queen you shall be . . . until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear.”
A crown for Myrcella could also be an untied-up reference to the original plot in which Arianne and the Sand Snakes try to make Myrcella Queen and end up getting her face hacked up.
Of course D & D will say that Jon is dead – he IS dead. That doesn’t mean he can’t get resurrected. Also, doesn’t dying negate his Night’s Watch vows? Now he can hold a crown and father children and I can get my Jon + Dany ruling Westeros with direwolves and dragons all over.
Thank you! That’s what I don’t get about people screaming that Jon Snow is NOT dead and D&D are lying. Jon Snow is dead..but as GRRM has said, death is not necessarily the end. Also Kit Harington has said that he will not be back for next season. But that doesn’t mean he won’t be back for Season 7 OR that scenes weren’t filmed already for next season. There were already some spoilers out that there was a significant scene filmed between Melissandre and Jon Snow. Carice Houten said she had two scenes with Jon Snow this year and yet only one made it to the show.
From all of that, I’m guessing that Jon Snow/Kit Harington is out for most of Season 6 with one big scene of his resurrection happening toward the middle/end of next season. Then he is back full force for Season 7. I kinda hope I’m wrong though and Season 6 isn’t Jon Snow free for the most part.
The scene at the House of the Many Faced God was freaky but not worried about Arya at all. The show hasn’t caught up with her storyline yet. Or that of Davos. A girl must learn.
The Facetorium for freaky.
Lol Facetorium
interesting.
Melisandre, you witch! I hope somebody will tell Davos how Shireen died and he can have revenge on the red witch.
Stannis really was a stubborn SOB. well, I guess you get what you deserve (most of the time)
mimif, I blame you for me not being surprised about the very ending. the moment Olly was calling Benjen Benjen.. I was all ‘no way dude. stay in your office!’ but now i’m also thinking about either wildlings or white walkers doing some magic to Jon and bringing him back to life.
Sansa..ok, finally mustered enough courage to pick the lock, but come on..why leave the auger/corkscrew behind?! it would have been a good close range killing tool. especially when/if Ramsey catches her. and Theon suddenly developing heart..yea, right.. he might pull a Ramsey on her by leading her around..then again she grew up in winterfell. should know it bazillion times better than anyone. all the nooks and cranies to hide in.
Jamie and Myrcella.. yawn..
Cersei..wow, Lena Heady had some serious gut…is the book Cersei is still alive? cuz next season is going to be crazy for whoever abused her..she’ll wipe out the whole of King’s Landing.
that last picture of mereen and all 3 sitting was hilarious…crickets crickets crickets…let’s go get Dany..
Varys Varys Varys!!! <3
#TeamDrogon
I am sure that Jon Snow lives. Melisandre will revive him or bring him back. We will get confirmation when Kit doesn’t cut his hair.
I bet Theon dies but Sansa survives.
Arya killing that creeper was very satisfying. Someone said last week that the blindness was temporary. It better be.
Stanis was completely broken before his death. He knew he was going to die. I am glad Brienne did it. Very satisfying ending to his storyline.
I am glad the Dorne storyline is over. It was boring and poorly done.
Cersei’s atonement was underwhelming to me. Lena was very brave and deserves praise, but the actual scene didnt do it for me. I think there is so much degradation of women on this show that an actress walking naked and being called a whore… I dunno. She did so much bad sh*t, and whore is the best they can come up with?
Loved the scenes in Mereen. Danny’s final scene was all WTF. It felt like she walked into the middle of a Western movie.
Kit cut his hair.
Even so, Jon Snow lives on.
Because maybe Jon Targaryen will be clean cut? lol That’s my hope anyway . He will get a royal makeover.
The last season was filmed in October and November. Kit was walking around in his skinny jeans still looking like Jon Snow last week. That makes me believe that he’s still filming for GoT.
They can give him the Hounds old wig, just backcomb it a bit
But The Hound needs The Hound’s old wig. Not believing he died and he’s going to have to battle his brother at some point.
He might have shaved his good side as part of his cunning disguise!
(please let him come back next season)
If the showrunners wanted to really troll they could let Kit cut his hair…and then just have Jon resurrected with short hair. 😉
Stannis is dead…maybe….sort of…could be?
BOOK SPOILER:
In the book, when Jon is attacked, his last word is “Ghost.” So like Bran, Jon’s spirit may be able to slip into Ghost. Then Melisandre can bring his body back and all is well. In fact, in the book she’s looking into the fire for knowledge about the prince that is supposed to come and save everyone—the one she keeps saying is Stannis—and she says “I see only snow … First he’s a man, then he’s a wolf, then he’s a man again” or something along those lines.
So yeah, Jon’s coming back. Though he may be a wolf all next season:)
I hope you’re right. I haven’t gotten that far in the book yet (and since its been a year since I picked it up, I probably never will).
If they kill off Jon Snow I don’t see the point of watching this show anymore. Other than Arya and Tyrion I really don’t care about anyone else.
@Nona – You must’ve missed the memo about how the writers have/and say they will continue to deviate from the books. The writers say Jon Snow is dead–just because the books allude to him being alive does not mean that the writers are lying to try to fool us all. Stannis doesn’t die in the books, should we assume he’ll be back also? It isn’t the same story anymore.
Oh, hell no. I cannot believe that freaking episode. Stannis had the most pathetic ending ever, Pshyco Ramsey has not been punished, dumb Sansa ended up needing saving from Reek from all people and Jon got killed?!
I guess the red witch (and B!tch) is gonna revive him now? She better do something f*cking usefull now that she just abandoned ship just like the rat she is. I could not believe her stupid face when she got to Castle Black like she wasn’t a deserting traitor. Is nothing gonna happen to her for poor princess Shireen? And Olly OMFG, dude you’re gonna die horribly (I hope) you stupid crying lying conniving murderer!
And Danny, oh God, can she be anymore inept? What is gonna happen to her now? So she’s back in Dothraki lands or what? Drogon just does whatever the hell he pleases and she’s like a little lost girl.
And speaking of girls, a girl got her @ss handed to her right? I was so happy she got her revenge in such a satisfying way and then bam! You’re blind! Someone please tell me she’s gonna come out of it, pretty please please please!
Cersei getting hers was entertaining for the first few minutes but that whole “shame, shame, shame *bell noise” was getting on my nerves. I was hoping she would not crumble and managed the entire walk with her head held high just out of spite but no such luck. This is a first for me, but I hope she gets her revenge and fries that mighty Sparrow to a crisp. And who is that massive dude? Is that The Mountain?!!!
BOOK SPOILERS
Arya – the show has not caught up with her character yet. Not going to go into it more than that but don’t worry about her. A girl must learn.
Cersei crawls the last quarter back to the castle. Yes, that is the Mountain.
Dany – those are the Dothraki riders who abandoned her when Khal Drogo died at the end of the first season, making one of their own the new Khal. No, Drogon does not abandon her.
Hey, did you notice the bloodshot, purple-faced baby blue eyes behind that helmet? Just food for thought.
The walk seemed very disjointed to me. Like the way they filmed it, she went from clean to completely covered in dirt and blood and then her feet being cut after she fell seemed to come out of nowhere other than the implication of the length of the walk, it just seemed very choppy in the editing.
@Shijel- you talking about the Second Coming of the Mountain? I noticed that too but not reading into it.
Mountain is dead. That is Robert Strong, his face is purple and he doesn’t talk much. See, anybody can get reanimated on the show!
@ Lilacflowers – what reason do we have to believe that the story is going the same way that the book is? There have been so many deviations, it’s practically an entirely different story at this point. Also–the writers and Kit Harington have confirmed that Jon Snow is in fact dead and not coming back. I don’t really think they’re so desperate to fool us all that they want to lie to us and surprise us next season or in season 7. There was also NOTHING that happened in last night’s episode to allude to Jon having warged into Snow the same way that happens in the book. Jon didn’t whisper, “Snow” before he laid there dead. The writers said straight up, “This was not one of those endings where people should be thinking, ‘what happened there?’ Dead is dead.” I think it’s pretty safe to say Jon is dead and that we shouldn’t expect the show to follow the book at all anymore. The writers claim they were further deviate from the book in the future.
Uhm, why would Jon say his own name?
Nice try at being snarky, and way to go for taking the time out of your life to write “uhm” as if I’m an idiot over mis-typing something. My mistake. That was obviously a typo and I meant “Ghost.” Jon did not call out to Ghost in the episode last night the way he does in the books. Based on your previous post you clearly read the books and I’m sure you knew what I meant, you just have an issue with the fact that I disagree with you.
The blood next to his left shoulder as he lay face up in the snow after the mutiny is in the shape of a howling wolf.
Being lectured about fiction is a bit tiresome. That is my issue. I have no problem with people having different theories.
Oh Size, I havering luff you for pointing that out!
I am scared for Theon and Sansa! I didn’t realize until afterward that that scene could’ve went both ways — suicide or did they fall in some snow?
Obviously, they will survive, but once again her story is will be the biggest mystery since Stannis’s army has fallen and she can now find herself somewhere else.
I don’t buy any of Kit’s interviews today. God, he’s surly, isn’t he? Melisandre is there — she’s all into black magic. She can resurrect him.
Jon Snow is DEAD!
Jon Targaryen will be reborn!
These are my wishes and I hope hope hope they come true. THere was so much to root for with Jon’s character. From day 1 I felt like there was so much more to him and he has a destiny to fulfill,
I wish! Hope you’re right but the writers and Kit all saying adamantly that Jon isn’t coming back makes me less optimistic. I totally agree about this cutting Jon’s character short. I always felt that he was one of the most interesting.
Yeah, the only thing that hit me hard was the Sansa scene. I’m hoping she survives that jump and makes it to next season. I wouldn’t be surprised if they use her and Theon as our “in” to the Iron Islands now that Balon Greyjoy is the last of the 5 original claimants alive. Myrcella dying brings us one step closer to that prophesied Cersei death so I’m ok with that. Jon Snow…. eye roll… sorry, I know you’re supposed to root for the Starks, but the older boys (Robb, Jon) have just all made it so easy not to. Blind virtue gets you killed in this series. I guess Stannis is dead? I am surprised that they didn’t show his death though. Seems like to big of a kill/character for it to just cut to black. Margaery is still alive so thank the maker for that. This episode also made me miss (and notice the lack of) Tyrion this season. I really hope they give Peter Dinklage more material to work with next season and finally get Dany out of the plot hell that is Mereen.
I still kind of think Melisandre set the fires around camp last week, to push Stannis into murdering poor Shireen. And she may have killed Selyse too, though I kind of doubt it.
Even though I’ve read all the books, it’s still horrible to think that Jon might be gone. He’s the hero of the book morally and on TV the hottest guy, therefore should be the main character. : ) If he is gone, who leads the Night’s Watch then? Why have such a heroic struggle in order to be ultimately killed by dim-witted colleagues?
He appointed Allisar Thorne as first ranger. He will lead the night’s watch until a new Lord Commander is elected.
Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I meant “who will lead the Night’s Watch with integrity and honor?” : )
The Night’s Watch must elect a new leader. It is known.
I don’t think Mel started the fires, didn’t they show a few men on horseback riding off? Plus Davos said about 20 men rode through, which is what Ramsey asked his father for.
Mel has seen herself at Winterfell with the Bolton banners laid down. So, now she’s gotta find herself a new PWWP to do the job. Herro Jonny Snow!
Where is Littlefinger and the armies of the Vale?
I can’t believe we have to wait 10 months to find out. Who’s got a working time machine?
I am irritated that Winds of Winter isn’t going to be coming out in the meantime, either.
Et tu, Olly?
I’m happy he’s dead, honesty. I’d be fine if theu didn’t resurrect him. What’s dead should stay dead!
Unless it’s The Hound in which case he should come back immediately.
Yes, yes, yes!! Hound, Hound, Hound!!!!!
The Hound is hiding out in Fassbender’s Slow West.
Slow West(eros)
I’ll get my coat…
Misogynistic, racist dreck.
Dany is in Dothraki territory!! The men on horseback was the giveaway, not to mention they were all holding araks which were the same weapon that Khal Drogo used to carry. Dothraki are master horsemen. So we are familiar with where she is, it’s not some new place. This is also where she ends up in the books at the end of A Dance with Dragons. She is found by a Khalasar who was her husband’s enemy in the books but we have no idea if this is good or bad.
And Drogon is with her.
And she dropped her ring in the Dothraki crop circle, so Jorah the Explorer can come find her and give everyone else greyscale too. The only thing I liked a out Jorah this ep is that he’s obviously got Daario’s number.
Some think Dany dropped the ring because it was her Dothraki wedding ring, and the Dothraki kill the Khal’s family when he dies.
She’s such a recognizable person tho, I mean that wiglet just screams Khaleesi, does it not?
Dothraki wedding ring? Really? Do the Dothraki really seem like the kind of people who go for the tradition of wedding rings? The Khalasar knows exactly who she is anyhow, since they were formerly Drogo’s riders.
@Bridget – Well, when you put it that way …….. Although it doesn’t seem much sillier than expecting her rescuers to find a single pearl in the midst of an entire country. I would think that Drogon’s collection of skeletons and scorched earth would be a little more telling.
And then there is the giant dragon necklace she is wearing.
The large dragon following her around gives away her identity
LOLZ at you today!
I felt so bad for Drogon. He was bleeding badly, had holes in his wings and trying to chill for 5 minutes and she kept climbing on him. I’d have eaten her.
Also, her accent in that scene, she wasn’t even trying.
I was just kind of whelmed by this episode. And please let the Dorne stuff be done.
I hope Dorne is over, too. Do you think with the whole poisoning thing they’ll have to bring them back though?
Doran is going to freak the ffff out when he finds out Myrcella was poisoned, so I’m pretty sure we will be seeing more of Dorne. That last scene with the Sand Snakes tho walking all snug and bad ass down the dock, it was so Charlie’s Angels.
I’m sure they’ll have to do more Dorne stuff – they haven’t even gotten to the fact that Doran has been trying to work with the exiled Targaryens the whole time.
I’m sure they’ll do more Dorne stuff because I doubt Alexander Siddig signed on just to shoot four scenes of him sitting in a wheelchair being exasperated with Indira Varma.
It’s already known they will be filming in Spain again this year. So Dorne is staying unless they are using Spain for some other setting. 🙁
It is known.
As far as I know they are not filming in Sevilla again. They are going to another two places.
If we must have Dorne stuff can we have the Dorne stuff they cut out? Like Arianne and Quentyne and his friends and Viserion and Rhaegon and Doran’s scheming and Areo Hotah going badass on Arys Oakheart’s head? Even if it meets resuscitating Myrcella just to hack her ear off?
I liked that a lot better. Instead we got 3 kind of annoying girls and a woman going on about MUHRDER. And I felt like the stuff about Darkstar could have segued into more about the Sword of the Morning, who is name-checked a lot but whom we know very little about and who is tied to Ned. Plus, after watching the whole season I can say that Ellaria wasn’t a good substitute for Arianne. It lost a lot with having her only be Oberyn’s illegitimate paramour; Arianne was one of the few women with real power.
And with Arianne and her power, you get the whole issue of women’s right to inheritance. Arianne is Doran’s heiress, even though she has two brothers and instead of trying to kill Myrcella, the plot is a lot more interesting. They hope to put her on the throne instead of Tommen because she is older and, by Dornish standards, the oldest inherits the title. And I want to know more about Darkstar and Sword of the morning.
Am I the only one who liked Bronn in Dorne?
Bronn was welcome comic relief.
I have to admit that it was a pretty good finale after a fairly boring season. One of my only gripes is that the Cersei walk of shame took way too long. It would’ve had just as much of an impact in a quarter of the time and left room for more time with other characters. Oh and that there was, once again, far too little of Brienne of Tarth.
Is next season the last or are there two more in the works? I can’t remember.
Two, maybe three. Please let it only be two, I need my life back.
Is there a GoT Celebitchy group somewhere? I feel like I need therapy until Season 6 or I might have a day off or two and stalk the streets of Belfast looking for a curly haired Kitty.
Whatever you do, do not go to reddit.
Or westeros.org
I don’t for one moment think Jon is really dead – Melisandre will bring him back as i think she realises too late that he is Azor whatisface.
Also, Kit hasn’t cut his glorious hair – he’s always said that he would if he ever leaves, i know Richard Madden couldn’t wait to shave his beard off. He’s being a good little actor and saying what the show runners want him to – he’ll be back in Season 7.
And as for Doran Martell he’s playing the long game and has been planning vengeance on the Lannisters and Kings Landing for a looong time – Ellaria and the sand snakes are just too short sighted to see that.
As for Cersei – she will bounce back and go dark side taking King landing and the main houses of Westeros with her, particularly if she does lose all her children.
Not sure Brienne kills Stannis – she can use him to rescue Sansa and with the north behind her get ride of the Boltons.
Yep. Doran is no fool.
If Jon is dead then what’s the point of the Nights Watch in the show anymore, no one cares about them especially now.
What I want to know is, the other Nights Watchman who came back with Jon, did he not go “lads, I know you all hate Jon right now but really …. you have no idea what the hell we just saw, it was carnage and we are all so F8CKED!”, they’re so woefully inept and arrogant to think they can face the White Walkers, I hope Wun Wun goal kicks Olly over the wall.
I can’t stop laughing at the mental image you conjured of Wun Wun punting Olly.
Lol! I hope Wun Wun does that to Ollie! I can’t stand that little sh#t!
Whether Jon is dead or alive, I think it’s clear that the Night’s Watch are pointless. There has never been enough of them frankly to mean much. It’s not going to be the Night’s Watch that saves Westeros, but an army of the whole of Westeros. I’m happy about it if we keep a re-animated Jon Snow and drop the NW.
“I hope Wun Wun goal kicks Olly over the wall. ”
Right into the jaws of a giant ice spider.
Everything has already been said- Jon Snow and Stannis are not dead, Arya will be fine, Sansa and Theon go road tripping, Dany is with the Dotharki, and Cersei is now planning on killing just about everyone including Jamie (you know he will get the blame)- which means all is right in the land of Game of Thrones.
I hated Cersei’s walk. She is SO vile, and that scene just upset me. I don’t WANT to have sympathy for Cersei. I want to be rooting for her downfall and that walk just made me so uncomfortable.
I think the last really satisfying revenge scene was when Dany and the Dothrakis gave her wretched brother the “gold crown” he so desperately wanted. We all wanted Joffrey dead, so yay…but it was relatively quick. Here’s hoping that Ramsey dies in a splendid shitshow.
I am sort of on the fence when people bring up the misogyny of the show/writing. I absolutely see where they are coming from, but I also recognize that plenty of horrid stuff happens to the men on the show as well.
But I have to admit, when I realized they were going to make Cersei walk naked all the way back to the castle? My first thought was “Oh, of course she will be naked. Why wouldn’t she be?!!!” Lena H was great in that scene, but all I could think was how long it took to shoot that scene, ALL those extras? Frankly, Lena pretty much was served the same punishment as Cersei. And it probably took longer to film that than it would take a person to walk that distance.
According to articles, it took three days to shoot but a lot of it was a body double. For what it’s worth they say this was based on an actual mideavil practice.
Lena is pregnant in real life, so yes it’s a body double.
It’s actually an interesting punishment for Cersei, and doens’t feel as gross in the books as it’s referenced in other parts – Tywin did the same to his father’s mistress when his father died and he became Lord of Casterly Rock. And Cersei’s power is in her beauty and her sexuality, not to mention the fact that she was the one who let the Sparrows loose. In many ways it actually felt like the most fitting punishment for her.
My totally off the Wall theory based on the books: Rhaenys Targaryen, daughter of Rhaegor and Elia Martel had a cat that still lives in King’s Landing. Arya discovered the dragon skulls when she followed it; Tommen has complained about it a few times on the show and at one point Cersei talks about it scratching a young Joffrey. The cat shows up more frequently in the books, terrorizing Tommen and Ser Pounce and is missing part of an ear because Joffrey tortured it. I think little Rhaerys warged into her cat and is doing her part against the Lannisters.
I had to look twice to see if that was really you, or if you warged into some tinfoil.
Really me and that black one-eared, old Tom cat is really in the books and has been mentioned on the show. Why would Martin devote so much time to a stray cat if it had no significance?
Chekhov’s cat, nice.
I’m wondering how much Brienne will self-flagellate when she realizes she neglected her duty (save Sansa) to go for revenge only to change her mind at the last second when reminded to do her duty? Although my first thought at the end of the scene was that Melisandre’s third kings blood leech went terribly sideways for Stannis.
Where was Pod? And how much of a chance do Sansa and maimed Theon have alone, on foot, with no supplies, in winter, in deep snow they can be tracked through? Maybe Pod was still watching the broken tower, saw the candle, and saves Sansa and Theon.
Sansa, Theon, Jon, and Stannis have to continue. HBO just can’t afford to truly kill off any more characters we are so vested in at this point. The newer characters we have met just haven’t resonated, with the exception of Oberyn and Olenna.
Chekov’s cat. Snicker. 😉
Size! +2 on the Chekov’s cat. Sarah over at Lainey’s had a good point about Brienne, that she’s so caught up on keeping her oaths and fulfilling her duty, she’s not actually fulfilling her duty or keeping her oaths. If that makes sense. Good point about the king’s blood, I thought that was interesting that they panned in on his leg bleeding out. Paola thought maybe Pod found Sansa & Theon, and that is what Stannis is looking at when Brienne goes whack-a-mole. I know this is probably never going to happen, but I would love it if the Artist Formerly Known As Stannis the Mannis survives and redeems himself somehow, perhaps sacrificing himself. Dude Davos is so going to cut off his fingers when if/when he sees him!
When I watched Brienne run off, all I could think was “Of course she’s going to leave yet another oath unfulfilled”.
I was momentarily blinded by the wattage of that candle.
That’s the first time I’ve heard this theory and I love it!
Because it is my theory and thank you. That black tom cat of Rhaenys is all over the books.
Wow: hope all of you are right that Jon may come back, that Arya may be OK, and that Sansa lives. Because let me tell you, I was so depressed I’ve listlessly eaten ice cream , cookies, and strong coffee all morning. I usually look at the GOT posting at 8:00 am. But only got the will summoned to look this afternoon. You’ve given me hope!!! 🙂
Well, Arya can be okay and still be blind, right?
Ps: Am I the only one who wonders about Margaery? Will Cersei have any pity for her now?
Nope. Cersei has been broken.
Cersei is about to go Full Cersei.
Full Cersei and with a handy new Kingsguard. That’ll go well.
Full Cersei will just make everything easier for anyone wishing to conquer. But at least, she’s going Full Cersei and not Full Batch. Qyburn would have to kill her if she went full Batch.
Lol can you imagine Full Cersei’s OsKar Kampaign?
I don’t think she will. Margaery is still Cersei’s competition for Tommen’s loyalty and attention.
The only person Cersei pities is Cersei.
I’m surprised I haven’t seen a single mention of Jon’s eyes beginning to change colour at the end.
I noticed the eyes too. But I’m hoping it was a reflection of flames, or going all white (like the skin changers)….
Those eyes better not turn blue 😯
BLUE BLUE BLUE!
I don’t think it was a hint at blue, but a hint of him warging. Remember that Bran’s eyes did a weird thing like that when he warged into animals.
Did it really? I saw the leaked photos and I was waiting for him to warg but it did not happen. So I thought it was photshopped.
When they cut off Ned’s head, it wasn’t shown. It cut to Arya looking up at the sky. He never got to see the head chop only the head the next season. So I can believe Stannis is also dead. I might be in the minority but I give him props for forging ahead when all is lost. Even without horses he walked all the way to Winterfell, surrounded he drew out his sword FIRST and went for it. Balls.
Not to get political but the Iraqi army when faced with ISIS should watch that scene on continuous loop.
I think we saw a little bit of head chopping, let me go watch that ep for the 567890 time. Yeah, a little bit of chopping there, but very quick. I read on another site that perhaps Brienne just chopped off his sliced leg, but that wouldn’t make much sense.
I’m not sure what to do with myself, but even tho Stannis murdered his brother and burned his daughter alive, I still feel sorry for the old bastard. Also, I think Mel might need Stannis’ blood to rez Jon so, perhaps he isn’t dead after all. TEN MONTHS!
Thoros managed to resurrect Beric without any king’s blood.
Yep. It’s not from king’s blood, it’s from the power of the Lord of Light.
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Thanks for checking on the head chopping confirmation, LOL. Guess they really wanted to wrap up the Stannis storyline. Hope the WhiteWalkers kill Ramsey
@OG T.C. re: the head chopping, I was referring to Ned, not Stannis. 🙂
@Lilac & B, Beric was weaker (and weaker) upon his resurrection/s. So perhaps the king’s blood does have some sway? I was telling QQ that I thought it would be very GRRM to sacrifice Stannis (in whatever form imaginable, whether willing or not) to resurrect the true AA.
Yeah, but we got the Arya reaction shot which is the confirmation. There was nothing with Stannis except a *very* quick and awkward edit away from the final blow.
I just watched that scene again, and it looks to me like Brienne hesitates or falters mid swing. It’s very subtle, but it’s there.
The instant Myrcella revealed that she knew Jaime was her father, and they hugged it out, I said out loud “She’s dead.” I didn’t expect it to happen immediately – the bleeding took me by surprise – but there are no happy feel good GOT moments that don’t end in ruin.
I expected it. When Ellaria kissed her, I said to Mr. Sandwich, “Her lipstick is poisoned.” I knew it because I’ve seen Gilligan’s Island.
Don’t remember any poisoned kisses on Gilligan’s Island; please explain! I expected it to though; why would she have kissed her on the lips when she hated her and wanted her dead? So yeah..
It’s in an episode where Gilligan dreams he’s a spy, or something, and (I think) Ginger as an evil spy kisses him with poisoned lipstick, but he lives and she dies because he was expecting it and wore lip protectors.
I am laughing so hard right now.
This finale definitely left me feeling torn. I’m not watching the show specifically for Jon Snow, but I have to say last night’s episode really left me feeling cold toward the entire show. At this point, killing fan favorites is becoming a shtick and it’s getting old. I’m not interested in a show that has no “good guys” anymore. It was also unnecessary to go the route they went with Stannis.
As for killing Jon Snow–What is anyone’s motivation to care about the wall anymore? Is anyone really that invested in Sam or his storyline? I doubt it. I’m considering giving it one more season and seeing where it goes, but this was lame and really predictable and I’m tired of watching the Stark family get tortured and killed.
Size had an interesting theory: that the show isn’t allowed to give away Jon’s fate because it would resolve a major cliffhanger from the book, and this gives GRRM an opportunity to try to get The Winds of Winter out before the next season starts. Because Jon’s stabbing was also how book 5 ended.
Yes! Margaret, Dani, Jon, Melisandra, Cersei, and Reek are all pretty much as Martin left them. The book left Stannis’s fate a mystery too. Arya is really the only one whose character is still following the book but not caught up yet. Brienne, Davos, Tyrion, Jamie and Varys have all gone different routes
And HODOR! is currently DJ’ing in Ibiza.
I think it is a respect thing for GRRM, to let him have this moment. It’s the last chance, unless he’s been trolling us and book 7 is basically ready to be released between season 6 and 7 of the show. And I bet the cast and crew have all signed non-disclosure agreements, so if Kit said anything other than “Jon Snow is dead,” they would be owed back his salary plus ONE BILLION DOLLARS for incalculable damages.
As much as Brienne, Jaime, Tyrion, Davos are somewhere different, but their stories don’t feel out of left field. At least with Jaime it felt like they had no idea what do with him and figured they’d just send him to Dorne.
My book reading friends – will you watch the show next season if book 6 hasn’t come out yet? I’m torn. I don’t think I have the will power to not watch but I really prefer the books.
@Bridget, true. At this point in the books Brienne is just roaming around the countryside and getting mixed messages about whether The Hound is dead or alive. Her senseless wandering goes on for chapters until she meets up with Lady Stoneheart, shouts some unknown word, and then disappears, fate unknown until she shows up in a Jamie chapter. Stannis had sent Davos away before the attack on Winterfell so that part is accurate, although the show has taken him to a different place entirely, with no real purpose there, but spares them introducing a bunch of new characters – but who will go in search of Rickon? When they gutted the Griff storyline, that left Tyrion adrift so he’s pretty much in the Barristan Selmy role at this point, doing what Barristan was doing in the books. Jamie was also pretty much just roaming around the riverlands endlessly so at least Dorne had better weather and no packs of wolves running around.
@Size, I will watch. I want some more story on the characters being presented in the show
@Lilacflowers – I’m sure I will watch, too, but I’m still hoping GRRM comes through with Winds before April 2016. Also, GRRM was asked by an attendee at a convention about the word Brienne screams. It’s out there is you want to go look for it (not spoiling it for you).
I think if the show has really committed to Jon being dead or to him not appearing in Season 6, it’s going to be a problem for them, simply because there really isn’t anyone else IMO who is that interesting left on the show. I don’t even need a “good guy” character on the show, just someone interesting and dynamic. I think Jon only proved himself to have that potential this season, and now it’s over. So that’s too bad.
Did seriously nobody expect Jon to die? I figured it out because of the sudden protagonism Olly was getting (nobody trusted that kid, right?). We didn’t have a truly shocking super unexpected death since the Red Wedding so I considered the possibility. The moment Olly came in talking about Benjen Stark? I knew he was done.
Now let’s just wait and see what will happen once the White Walkers come around and they notice all these backstabby high school drama is absolutely unnecessary.
Pretty sure Jon is dead. I enjoy all the theories about him possibly coming back and he may or may not be dead in the books. But I’m pretty sure he is dead and not coming back apart from flashbacks and hallucinations or perhaps through Bran’s tree god visions (like Khal Drogo did in season 2). Very few people come back to life in the books and when they do, it’s never a good thing (see Khal Drogo coming back to life through black magic, Catelyn Stark becoming Lady Stoneheart). And I think it would be a bit lame for Jon to become a White Walker or be revived by Melisandre. We don’t need two Lady Stonehearts. We already have Zombie Mountain.
But why HAVE Zombie Mountain (love that btw!) if not to drop a very unsubtle hint that dead isn’t necessarily dead? Along with all of the other return from the dead scenarios infused in the story. And Jon Snow looking like a pretty Crow Jesus with his hair, bleeding out in the snow – they are so bringing him back. Ghost, almost left to die in the snow for being a runt, saved by Jon Snow, the bast-ehd. There’s just way too much symbolism and mysterious backstory invested in the character for that to be the end. I’m not buying it.
I would just like to remind Kittykat that he said this – taken from a prior post here on Celebitchy:
“Kimmel also asked Kit at one point what he would do if he was killed off in the Season 5 finale and Kit said, “I don’t know how I could top ‘Thrones,’ I think I would probably just give it up.” “
Really not concerned with how it all ends, or who ends up the throne. Want Tyrion to be alive till the end being his wise & cynical self. Really want this one thing, the White Walkers arrive at the wall & destroy the Nightswatch. Even better if Olly pees his pants when they roll into town.
I just realized how much Mel looks like Cersei in the pic with Stannis.
Did anyone else think the “new silent” king watch guy is actually the HOUND???????
I would LOVE that but he looked far too big – the Hound was not nearly as big as his bro. UNLESS re-animated Mountain is part Hound (like his heart and brain?!). Whaaat. He was dying, not dead when last we saw him). Too out there? I don’t think we’ve seen the last of the Hound at any rate.
The “bad kitty” could have slipped some antidote to Bronne when she whispered in his ear. He could find it just in the nick of time.