In early July, authorities took Jared “Subway Guy” Fogle into custody under suspicion of possessing child pornography. Additional details suggest that Fogle may have been funneling a porn production scheme through his charity, the Jared Foundation. The charity’s executive director, 43 year-old Russell Taylor, was arrested earlier this year and accused of possessing and producing child pornography. After Jared’s arrest, Subway suspended but did not fire Jared as a spokesman.
Now that prosecution is getting down to business, Jared’s team says he will enter a guilty plea with the U.S. Attorney’s office. Not that he had much of an option. Authorities reportedly found a landmine of incriminating photos and DVDs inside Jared’s home.
FOX59 has confirmed Jared Fogle, the former Subway spokesman, is expected to plead guilty to possession of child pornography charges.
Sources say Fogle will accept a plea deal Wednesday. The U.S. Attorney’s Office will hold a press conference tomorrow afternoon to discuss the deal and charges against Fogle.
Fogle’s attorney, Ron Elberger, had no comment in regards to the plea deal. He said any information regarding the charges would come from the attorney’s office. Elberger did say Fogle’s suspension with Subway continues.
I know we’re supposed to believe Jared is innocent until proven guilty, but authorities must have found some very incriminating evidence in order to charge him with these crimes. Jared knew he was facing harsh penalties, so of course he accepted a plea deal. Let’s just hope they aren’t too lenient with him. It would be terrible to see him receive a mere slap and a few years of probation.
One good thing — companies are scrambling to disassociate themselves with Jared. Sharknado 3 cut his cameo, and his text messages bragging about paying a 16-year-old girl for sex have earned him a reputation for life. Perhaps far too late, Subway has decided to cut all ties with Jared. Good.
We no longer have a relationship with Jared and have no further comment.
— SUBWAY® (@SUBWAY) August 18, 2015
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet & WENN
Disgusting, he use to tour high schools promoting healthy eating. Scares me how many children/young adults this creep had access to. I hope he gets jail time.
A girl I used to work with said that he was a guest speaker at her high school. She was on some kind of welcoming committee so she got to meet/interact with him and she said he was a total a-hole and definitely acted like he thought he was better than everybody. She never said anything about him acting creepy around any of the high school girls, but ever since then whenever I’ve seen him in a Subway commercial, all I can think is that he’s a stuck-up d-bag.
He worked an event for me about 10 years ago in Wisconsin and was a total jackass. We used to have a variety of celebrity types come in to talk about various issues (I worked in healthcare marketing) and he was the worst. Constant demands. Constant needs. Acting like a jerk to staff and then turning around with the biggest smile and working the room. Ugh…
I feel like him just being a jerk is the least of our concerns at this point…
Yes but no need to slam her anecdote. I didn’t know he was a slimy hypocrite, thanks to his ad campaigns my impression was that he was nice and wholesome.
And to think of the money Subway paid him for years.
Makes you wonder why they kept him around so long, if he was a demanding diva behind the scenes.
For a fundraiser 2 years ago we tried to get him for just an hour of stage time. We got Mike Wolfe (American Pickers) instead who was very gracious! Jared though. His demands for 60 minutes were over the top and unreasonable on top of his speaking fee.
@Jenna No him being a jerk speaks to his character.
OMG…same story about that creep right here! My old company did media relations for a partner of Subway (one of the drink brands they sell) and we did an event years ago where we partnered with Subway and requested to have Jared there. NO JOKE: He demanded a private trailer with a full rider and a huge appearance fee, like an A-list celebrity. We basically told him “Sike!” and laughed at him in our next meeting. We were used to dealing with REAL celebrities and had just recently had Nikki Sixx from Motely Crue in like 2 days prior to that to do a really cute spoof in one of our clients ads and he was unbelievably cool and down to earth and was super low maintenance. He walked around the agency and said hi to everyone, I’m still psyched about that! So yeah, Jared became a huge joke in our office and we’d say stuff to each other like, “How dare you take the last cookie, who do you think you are, JARED????”
DTX
That’s hilarious about the running joke. And your details are nearly the same as what Jared wanted from a CHARITY!
And Nikki Sixx! Jelly!
I’m so shocked to hear these stories because he always came off as a humble former overweight nerd. Boy was I fooled!!!
Did I read Nikki Sixx? Still my metal crush since I was a teen, good to hear he’s a nice guy.
It’s such a relief when your celebrity crush turns out to be a really nice person. I met mine, the singer-songwriter of my most favourite (punk) band, at Sydney Airport. We were on our way to watch their show that night in another State capital. We had a great long chat with all of them, as well as photos. Then we found ourselves surrounded by them and their two support bands on the aeroplane. They were all so friendly, funny and very cool. I couldn’t help thinking at the time how relieved I was, because my crush had lamented about how he met his idol years after he started out, and the guy turned out to be a complete arsehole, which gutted him.
This probably is not the place to post my opinion, but here goes….
This Fogle fella… I had seen him on Aussie TV a few years ago, for one or two ads only, I think. I never paid much attention as I never eat Subway. He’s been on our news, too, and I thought, “I can’t read any more about these disgusting, filthy, sociopathic creeps. It’s heartbreaking to think about those poor children.” Just the thought of an image of a poor child under these circumstances makes me want to vomit, cry, and bash the creeps’ heads in.
My friend and I had coffee together today, and this subject came up, as we have a similar vile case in court Right now. She said she couldn’t believe that they’d keep these images, knowing how easy it is to nail them, and why don’t they ever learn? I said they are completely without empathy or shame, and have an unbridled arrogance that gives them the idea they are entitled to do what they do, and so clever that no one will ever catch them out, but that I’m happy they keep these things in digital form, because it’s these very things that end up doing them in.
The DM is saying he’s looking at 7 years or so. Is it possible to determine how long he’s been at it? That’s how long he should be locked up for.
Gross and glad they nailed him!
Since they arrested his coworker several months ago why wouldn’t he get rid of all the porn he had? Wouldn’t you think you would lay low and clean up your act some?
They probably seized his computers and other evidence at that time.
And you can’t destroy records that your service provider holds that would demonstrate collection and distribution
It’s also totally possible to pick up deleted files off a hard drive or zip drive, computer forensics are very advanced.
I think they did seize evidence from Jared at the same time as the other arrest went down. I remember seeing something in the news about him cooperating with the police. He’s going to have fun in prison.
He’s going to hate gaol, Maria. My daughter just read a new book about NSW’s (my state) most high security prison, Goulburn Correctional Centre. It’s where the state’s worst criminals are held. One of our famous and well-loved actors, who played a loving dad on a long-running TV series (sounds familiar, hey?) is doing his time there, for historical sexual abuse of children. According to the book, the correctional officers finally walked him across the “yard”, after having spent some time in protective custody. The other inmates got wind of the event (duh) and pelted him with milk cartons filled with urine, faeces and other vile things, as well as spat at him, taunted and threatened him. The story goes that he raced straight back inside, called his wife – a powerful show biz agent – and said she had to do everything to get him out of there because he “just can’t stand it anymore”.
I know a lot of people think some criminals have it too good in gaol, but deprivation of liberty cannot be dismissed so lightly. And, as bad as they are, inmates really do have their own laws.
He’ll go to jail and yet Duggar, who physically committed these acts on children, will not. They both deserve to be removed from society for a long time. And be registered as sex offenders.
I read somewhere that the prosecutors agreed to not ask for more than 12 1/2 yrs in prison and Jared had to agree to not ask for less than 5 1/2 yrs. I think those were the numbers I read so yes he is going to jail and will hopefully become some big guys “bi-otch” 🙂 He deserves that at the very least!!
NOT defending Duggar, who is a sleazy unrepentant little creep, but he was a minor at the time. Intensive treatment professionally provided and lasting for years was what he needed. It’s the parents who deserve jail time for letting every single one of their kids down in that situation, perp included.
@K: I do see how this guy’s being an adult when he did what he did can be seen as worse than pedophile behavior in a minor. But still, 14, 15, 16, and 17-year-olds (I think those were the ages Joshua was when he did the molesting) are old enough to know not to molest a child, and old enough to know not to engage in sexual activity toward your own sister. And despite the age factor of these two perverts being discussed. I do think a teen or adult actually committing the act of sexually abusing those children is just as bad as an adult participating in watching or selling that kind of abuse. Either way, they’re both scum and deserve all that will come there way for what they’ve done. It’s unfortunate that because it was a lot of years ago, Joshua’s greatest suffering is coming from job loss and public humiliation. Both should be registered as sex offenders to protect kids from them.
actually, i read on news sites that he actually acted on these things. According to those articles he paid minors for sex and asked them to find younger girls for him.
Jared raped fourteen, 14-year-old girls, according to what I read. And yes, I’m saying raped because 14 is too young to consent.
His wife should’ve worded her statement more harshly since she was cheated on 14 times by a pedophile who also dealt in child porn.
He and Duggar need to never see the light of day again while living out their lives in solitary confinement!
Yes. I too thought he was a down to earth good guy. Just goes to show how appearances can be deceiving. Gross. Throw the book at him!
Ugh. Watch him not even get prison time! Meanwhile all those kids he victimized are scarred for life. Sick, demented, perverse. I don’t have an adjective strong enough for how loathsome this creep is.
I really hope he gets the book thrown at him. They didn’t say he “just” had the porn (which is 100% disgusting and horrific) but it said he possessed AND produced it.
I am trying to be clear in my wording. I don’t think there is a such thing as “just” possessing it. Believe me, I would like to see anyone in possession of this go away for life. BUT– I am hoping that the “producing”part will add enough to this case to put him away for a good, long time. It would be very hard to get out of that. You can’t pretend that you didn’t KNOW you were producing it, whereas I am sure some people do find ways to get out of possessing it. .
And WHO are these kids? I always get so upset to read about these cases because it seems like there is just a ton of this out there, and I get so upset thinking about the kids. Who is in charge of these kids? Why aren’t these kids safe? It is really, really upsetting.
It’s easy to wonder if these kids aren’t receiving proper parenting but even the children of the best parents can fall prey to these monsters. I just read an article in Glamour mag (I think) about how predators stalk young girls online and tell them that they left their webcam on and that they have pics/vids of them naked and that if they don’t want it released they’ll have to send them pics or videos doing really sexual things and some have even managed to blackmail the poor girls to meet them up and abuse them. One of the FBI investigators said that one particular video was really disturbing: a young teen girl like 12-13 y/o was forced to film herself undressing and touching herself and she had tears rolling down her face and she held up a piece of paper that said “RAPE.” Probably to let the pervs who’d watch it know that she was not doing this willingly. It was heartbreaking. But it can happen to even well protected kids easier than one would imagine.
DTX– I just realized that my comment may have sounded like I was blaming the parents and that was not my intention.
I read that same article you cite. And yes, you are 100% right. One girl that they featured heavily clearly had parents who cared and she didn’t TELL them what was happening because she was embarrassed, the mom stumbled upon it herself. So yes, absolutely— caring parents could have no idea. And we so often find that the abuser is some trusted person in the family’s lives.
What I meant to express was that this problem seems to be SO huge and widespread. It just seems so scary to think that there are so many victims and that no one sees what is going on.
I guess part of it is that I have a 5 year old, and for her entire life, I always knew exactly who she was with and what she was doing. And sure, in my case personally, her daycare provider wasn’t a pedophile that was producing porn…but for someone that IS the case, and that parent is just as diligent as I am. But it seems crazy to think that this is going on under the noses of so many parents. I didn’t mean to say the parents were not diligent, more of a “Most parents are uber-concerned with the safety of their kids, and yet that many of these bastards STILL find a way?”
It is just such a truly scary thought.
TMZ is now saying he is also charged with sleeping with 14 girls who were underage. So it is more than just photos and there will be prison time, years of it.
On the news they said the girls he raped were at young as 6. Makes me want to vomit.
Freaking sickening.
Wtf is wrong with people? Is it the last taboo?
Can someone please explain why someone is attracted to children, and more importantly, why the upper echelons of society are all allegedly in on it?
Maybe because it is one of the last things that it tabboon sexually and some people are attracted to breaking rules. And there is probably power issue as well.
Some peoples just are. I read an article years ago that said that some in the related research fields think it’s more common than we all think, but that most do not act on their desires, have no particular feeling to do so.
Acting on it is inexcusable.
I believe it is much more common than we realize. But I read a book recently and watched a documentary about civilizations. All civilizations throughout history have followed the same patterns, including the open acceptance of pedophilia and beastiality. We’re not quite there but the more I read about instances like this and especially the predators who get protected and praised (Like those in Hollywood, i.e. Brian Singer), the more feasible the predicted outcome seems. Recently my husband showed me an article wherein feminists are trying to push the idea of beastiality acceptance for women. It’s just all so messed up.
@colleen that’s nonsense that feminist are trying to push beastiality. I have yet to meet a feminist or read any ACTUAL feminist literature that pushes that. Propaganda At its best and many in society are against feminism , so it would be good to keep that in mind. It’s the same propaganda people try and use against homosexuals. Nonsense.
pedophilia will never be legalized, not going to happen. It has victims not willing participants. My very conservative co-worker uses this as an argument against homosexuality, yeah actually comparing the two situations. parenting is a completely different animal as it was in those past civilizations and we have laws protecting teens/kids.
@Colleen it must have been a Fringe “feminist” group. Every movement has nutty fringe mini-movemnets. The gay community had Nambla. No ordinary gay person supports that sick group. And no ordinary feminist supports bestiality. That’s some crazy stuff there.
It is sickening all the ‘powers that be’ are involved in some unimaginable filth, and of course they get away with it because they run the world and cover each others debauchery.
Totally agree.
I came here for the sole purpose of asking “WTF is wrong with people?”, but you beat me to it.
I really wish I hadn’t read the part where it said they found “DVDs”. I feel physically sick.
I truly hope we never come to the point where this is ever not considered taboo. It’s flat out evil. What’s scary is this is happening more than we know, and the thought of innocent children being subjected to such abuse breaks my heart and enrages me at the same time. People, and I use that label loosely because they are on some other level, that inflict horror upon children and animals for their own sick gratification need to be punished by the full extent of the law. The things you hear and read about just make you lose your faith in humanity.
Watch David Icke on Youtube.
Why?
Most adult predators were victims of child sexual abuse that went unresolved; it becomes a generational and cultural criminal pattern. Abuse happens in every echelon of society, and has nothing to do with wealth or lack thereof.
Actually that’s been disproven. It turns out that most predators just LIE and say they themseles were abused to gain sympathy.
Actual studies on the victims of sexual abuse show they are actually LESS likely to abuse children.
Have you heard of Afghanistan boy culture. It’s called bacha bazi , a powerful man will have a adolescent boy as his lover.
Just goes to show you never can tell about people. Wow. I hope he’s put away for a long, loooooong time.
What the f*ck? Did anyone see this coming? Using your charity as a front for a child porn production company? This shit is unreal. Every time you turn around these days it’s somebody else. Truly unconscionable and unbelievable.
It makes you heartsick, doesn’t it? It’s just everywhere.
Heartsick is right. Who ARE these sick f*cks???? I thought it was the other guy and he was innocent. Two vipers in the nest. Let’s hope jail time in general population.
Days like these, I feel like we’re really, truly the shittiest life form on this planet.
Thank you, this exactly. This is so f***ing disturbing and disgusting, I could vomit, I am so disillusioned as to the state of our world. F***.
If he did use his charity as a front for a child porn company, and have evidence, why do they give this sick, perverted, creep any kind of deal? He should be locked away forever!
They make deals so that they are sure that get a conviction of some sort. Going into a full trial can result in an acquittal (OJ Simpson) or being overturned on appeal due to a procedural technicality, either of which could allow a guilty person to go free. Also, a deal speeds up the process and frees the courts up for other cases and saves tax dollars, and all of that factors into the prosecutor’s decisions.
Deals are also made in exchange for testimony against other offenders. Since this seems to have been some sort of slick operation Jared and his partner were running and not just looking at illicit photos online, it wouldn’t surprise me if Jared has information on a lot of pedophiles.
Whatever kind of “deal” this creep gets, I hope it involves throwing away the key.
Yesterday on the CNN, in an interview w Anderson Cooper, Jeffrey Toobin said the guy who Jared partnered with, that guy who was arrested earlier in the year, was actually making this stuff, not even just distributing it which is sick enough. He said that the laws are strict in this realm but they are super intense if you are found actually producing it, as these vile predators allegedly were. To be “lenient” for any reason about this, when they apparently got tons of evidence???! — no! Throw the book at them, you are DONE, for destroying young innocent lives for cash.
PS: Toobin also said, several times, that Subway cut all connection w Jarred and wiped him off their site “within seconds” of the arrest, so I am not sure it’s correct to say they kept him on board? I think the tweet you posted may be just another corporate response to continued questioning of their company about the case?
@Liberty…that’s what I meant in my post…if they have so much evidence, then NO DEAL FOR PEDOPHILES….
Last year, in our little village, the guy who has run first aid certification courses since forever, and who certified dozens of kids, was caught with oodles of child pr0n and successfully prosecuted. One of our previous Prime Ministers (now dead) is currently being investigated, FFS. So yes, it is everywhere.
Guys, you have to take the positives. We’ve moved from sweeping it under the carpet and protecting the perpetrators (a la Catholic Church) to public condemnation, proper investigations and widespread prosecutions. This is a good thing.
I think we have to accept that, however horrific we find it, there is, and always has been, a minority of people who are sexually attracted to children. We can’t hide from that – burying our heads in the sand is what has allowed these people to infiltrate institutions and areas where there are children in the past. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
So very true. One of my friends handles cases that determine whether people found to be sexually dangerous remain in prison. She is one of my heroes for the work she does to keep our kids safe.
I watched a (BBC?) documentary a few months back, in which several academics were arguing that we have to get to a point where a voluntary treatment program is established (for control of behaviour, not “cure”) and people are able to come forward BEFORE they have offended so that they never get to the point of offending. It made sense. But…
… to get to that place, we’d have to accept such people into public daily life – jobs, participation, all that. But how would/could we do that? And if we didn’t, no-one would come forward. I know in my head that it should be all about prevention, but I can’t see myself associating with such a person knowingly, even if it was just that they were three desks over at work.
Hats off to your friend.
Very good point. Things are better than when it was swept under the rug. I just wish our justice system would understand that there is no cure, these people are preying on the most innocent and vulnerable in our society, and would put pedophiles in prison for life.
ETA – @Sixer – I believe that’s a pipe dream. I watched an interview with several behavioral psychologists and law enforcement personnel and the rate of success with these types of programs is abysmal, even using medication. There is no cure. They will do it again. Until we figure something out or find some solution, the only thing we can do is remove them from society. How many millions of children would have been spared if we had done this from the beginning of time?
Exactly, we need to get it out in the open where we can see it and deal with it. I’m probably going to get burned for this but I think we urgently need to invest in some serious research into why some individuals are attracted to children in this way and use that as a basis for rehabilitation. Like everyone else I’m repulsed by these stories but that’s not going to protect kids from this behaviour, research and
treatment might.
+1 this! We still have a long way to go but we’re making amazing progress so it’s no longer “the dirty little secret” not to be spoken of
I read a NYT article a while back that talked about people who were sexually attracted to children but had not offended and wanted help to ensure they did not act on their compulsions. One of the points the article made was it is extremely difficult to get money to fund any kind of research – and forget about treatment – of potential pedophiles. Even if doctors have studies/programs, finding patients who do not yet have a criminal record and convincing them to come in from the cold, so to speak, is equally hard.
Preying on child is wrong. We can all agree on that. The best available research suggests that pedophilia is a lifelong condition and very resistant to current treatments. But here’s my question: how can we ever be sure that it cannot be cured/successfully managed if we continue to treat people with this compulsion as less than human and worthy only of a prison cell?
@BearcatLawyer
I agree they are sick and need help. And that’s sad. But we don’t have the help. I’m not willing to put children at risk to experiment with different ways of helping them. That’s what we have done up to and including now. And millions of children have been forever altered because of it. I think it’s a terrible choice to make, but the other choice is worse. I don’t want a convicted pedophile living next door to my nieces and nephews. Or your children. Or a stranger’s children. It’s not worth the risk. Certainly I support researching ways of helping pedophiles to permanently overcome their mental illness. While they are safely out of society and the children are safe.
Sixer-true words for sure. And I want every one of them found out and exterminated.
I think the best way to treat it is to make therapy mandatory for all sexually abused children. Mandatory for every single one. No ifs ands or buts. For them and their family.
Abused children are tomorrow’s pedophiles. Some of those poor, poor children are tomorrow’s monsters.
@ Bearcat Lawyer – the NSPCC in the UK believe that child safety would be improved if we could do more to try and rehabilitate child sex offenders. The Director of Research- Donald Findlater – at the Lucy Faithfull Foundation in the UK – that runs the only helpline for those who have these dreadful urges towards kids – points out that loneliness and social isolation makes it more likely people will offend. That’s not suggesting in anyway that sexual contact with a child should ever be tolerated – but if they seek help it’s self defeating not to try and prevent offending for the sake of the children.
A 70YO former high school teacher was caught taking phone pictures in the boys bathroom at one of our local YMCAs; one my kids go to from time to time. He would time his visits for when the day camp boys were getting changed after afternoon swimming. They found something like 300 images of naked boys that he’d clandestinely taken on his phone. It’s frightening to think I can’t even let my 8YO son go into the locker room at the Y without the risk of him being photographed or possibly assaulted. Separating the boys under 16 from the men with separate locker rooms seems a bad idea in light of this.
BearcatLawyer – if I get time, I’ll try and remember the title of the doco and see if it’s online anywhere. There was just such a person who came forward in the making of it – because he wanted help. I was watching and half of me thought jebus, he’s brave, but the other half was angrily repulsed.
GNAT – I know. Pipe dream probably.
Frisbee – no burn from me.
Look. This is what I think. Prevention is better than either punishment or cure. Because with prevention, fewer children will be harmed. An important part of prevention is in safeguarding children and institutions with PROPERLY FUNDED regulation, social work input, etc etc. But I don’t think we should close our minds to the idea of prevention including potential perpetrators, even if it does make us feel sick inside. We’ve got to at least TRY.
ETA: Here is a review of the doco. It caused a big stir when it was aired. http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2014/nov/26/paedophile-next-door-psychobitches-tv-review
@ Bluhare -agree, treating all victims and their families would be a sensible way of weeding out future potential perpetrators – and an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure (as my Mum used to say).
You know, around the time that this case initially surfaced and the Duggar case came to light, it was also revealed that former Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert molested kids when he was a teacher. The Speaker of the House, which is the second most powerful position in our government (the VP has limited power) and the person responsible for our nation’s budget and there has been minimal coverage or outrage over it. While Speaker, he let at least two other abusers resign from the House without censure or sanction. Fogel and the Duggars get more attention
Lilac – speaking from the British experience, one sh!tty pervert in the corridors of power just isn’t enough. You need a critical mass of them before anyone stops shielding them.
Not just Heath. Many in the upper echelons of British politics & society. And other countries, too, for that matter. The world is not what we’ve been taught. Yes, there is much light in the world, but so much darkness, which is now coming to light….Look at the work of David Icke & David Wilcock, to name just two who are delving deep to show us what is, and also what CAN be. Look them up on Youtube.
I don’t think there should be prejudgment on the Heath case. But it is tremendously depressing and upsetting that child molestation and abuse seems to be so relatively common and was covered up to the extent that it was. I think that until fairly recently many people naively thought that perverts – and yes it is a perversion – could be identified because they seemed evidently peculiar individuals: the classic ” dirty old man”. That of course wasn’t and isn’t the case. I spent time in Ireland as a child in the 60s and 70s and the Catholic Church did everything it could to make sex a dirty and disgraceful thing. Anything other than the missionary position within marriage and without contraception was the pathway to hell. And then we found out how hypocritical and dreadful individuals and the church as an organisation had been. A massive betrayal, primarily of the poor kids who were abused,but also of the congregations who trusted and looked up to the church, and of the many good priests and nuns. And I’m not convinced by the ” I can’t help myself, I have these urges and I can’t control them”. Well you effing well should control them. but a huge challenge as people have pointed out is when the abused later becomes the abuser. I’ve reached the stage where I don’t read the details of these cases because it’s just too much.
“To be “lenient” for any reason about this, when they apparently got tons of evidence???! — no! Throw the book at them, you are DONE, for destroying young innocent lives for cash.”
I agree with you Liberty. The one thing I am hoping is that as others have said— maybe part of his deal will involve them collaring MANY other perps. If they were producers and running a whole distribution ring? He may be able to help authorities uncover a LOT more. That is the only good I can see coming of this vile creature getting a deal.
@GNAT, Sixer, frisbee – I totally agree that even one victim is too many. I have no problem with inconveniencing *convicted* sex offenders with prison time, post-prison civil commitments in secure facilities, sex offender registries, restrictions on where they can live/work/socialize, mandatory ongoing mental health care, etc. Abuse and neglect of any kind – and especially sexual abuse and exploitation – can have lifelong consequences for victims, and I have no sympathy at all for people who prey on children.
However, I am deeply concerned by approaches that focus only on rooting out and punishing/treating offenders AFTER they have already victimized children. We all know that pedophilia exists and thousands of children are harmed every day, often by people they know well such as relatives, coaches, and religious leaders, but we usually only *hear* about it when people are caught and face prosecution, like Jared or Mary Kay LeTourneau.
As the NYT article I read pointed out, there are apparently quite a few people who are sexually attracted to children and want help to either overcome it or to prevent themselves from ever offending because they know their feelings are wrong and they do not want to hurt children. Instead of acknowledging that this compulsion is a very real (and God willing, RARE) problem and urging compassion, research, and treatment for non-offending sufferers who are genuinely committed to fighting their feelings and not hurting children, the overwhelming majority of people instead treat both offending and non-offending pedophiles as incurable deviants unworthy of existing, much less meaningfully participating, in a civil society. I fear that the more we demonize all pedophiles and fail to provide them with realistic, useful pre-offense treatment options, the more likely it is that they will eventually commit crimes and hurt innocent children.
How many times have we heard people say about offenders, “Wow, I can’t believe this is happening. He seemed like a nice, normal guy/She was a great woman. I totally trusted him/her?” Clearly people can function as productive members of communities while secretly grappling with this very serious compulsion, and some seemingly can get away with it for years without suffering true consequences. What this tells me is that most people – including law enforcement and medical professionals – are not very good at identifying and stopping pedophiles in our midst. In that case, I think we are utterly remiss in not adding preventative approaches to our arsenal of anti-pedophilia tools.
It is not the best analogy by any means, but I will try: when it comes to dangerous things that could have long-term harmful consequences, we often use proactive instead reactive approaches. We tell young kids not to use illegal drugs and all the terrible things that can befall them if they get involved with drugs, often long before they are likely to ever see, much less actually try, any drugs. We typically don’t wait until they are teenagers to educate them about illegal drugs; at that point the cow has already left the barn and is halfway across the pasture. But when it comes to pedophilia, the message is NEVER something proactive like “If you are having these feelings, you need to seek help ASAP because there are resources to aid you in not hurting children.” We are almost always reacting to someone who has already offended and telling them that they don’t deserve to live among us “normal people” anymore and should be permanently shunned, if not just outright killed. Again, at that point the barn is cow-free. This reactive approach neither stops the actual victimization of children nor does it do much to help potential offenders from acting on their impulses. In fact, I am certain that some pedophiles must think at times, “If I ask for help, people will judge me and hate me and I might not get the help I need anyway. If I don’t ask for help and do what I want to do, people will still judge me and hate me and I might not get any treatment at all. Either way, I’m judged and hated and still having these feelings without necessarily getting any help to fight them.”
There are no easy answers in this situation. But I firmly believe that unless we change how we deal with deviance like this, we will miss valuable opportunities to prevent future crimes from happening.
@BearcatLawyer
Your point is well taken, that it would be so much better to try to prevent child sexual abuse to begin with rather than to punish people afterwards, when the child has already been harmed. And I do have compassion for someone who feels these urges and wants help to deal with them, but is afraid to come forward for fear of repercussions. I just don’t know that we have the help to begin with, or how to go about easing their fear of repurcussions. Maybe it could be like AIDS testing was the height of its spreading in the U.S. – great efforts were made to insure confidentiality. I wish I had an answer.
As for how to deal with the abusers, I’m so torn. Remember the video of Ray Rice just punching his wife in the head? When I saw that, something just hardened inside of me. I thought, yes, he’s sick and he needs help, but I’m so tired of everybody worrying about HIM. What about the women and children who are abused? These abusers seem to be given a slap on the wrist and everybody’s focusing on how unfair it is that he should he lose his career because of one “mistake.” Intellectually, I completely see what you’re saying. But it’s hard to find the compassion sometimes. Especially if they confess that they have actually abused children in the past. I’m not helping and just babbling at this point, but just wanted to say that I think you make a lot of sense, but something, maybe fear, is keeping me from seeing a way to make it work. Good food for thought, though.
bluhare says:
August 19, 2015 at 9:20 am
I think the best way to treat it is to make therapy mandatory for all sexually abused children. Mandatory for every single one. No ifs ands or buts. For them and their family.
Abused children are tomorrow’s pedophiles. Some of those poor, poor children are tomorrow’s monsters.
@bluhare, I must disagree with you on your last point – “Abused children are tomorrow’s pedophiles.” – because you didn’t qualify your statement. “Some” abused children are tomorrow’s pedophiles – not all.
As someone who was sexually abused when I was 5 or 6 years old by a “family friend” aka a neighbor, I didn’t grow up to be a pedophile and take offense that you think I would. I am not sexually attracted to children, and I would never abuse anyone sexually, physically, or emotionally. (I grew up in a physically and emotionally abusive household, so am quite sensitive about the subject.)
My father was a raging alcoholic. He would have never consented to therapy. So even though you mean well with what you’re saying, understand that it’s never going to happen. People get help when they feel like they want help and not before then. (Dad stopped drinking about 25 years ago and went to a certain type of therapy that helped, but which reinforced his narcissism instead of helping him have empathy for what he has done. He abused me for 22 years prior to that.)
On the subject of treating or preventing pedophiles, I may be in the minority, but I like the idea of children sex dolls or robots for people who are attracted to children. I don’t know whether I read about it or watched a show on it, but researchers asked convicted pedophiles if they could be happy with the doll and not offend against real children, and I believe they all agreed that they could do that – if memory serves me. I know it’s unconventional, but if a doll or robot would save a child, I’m all for it.
This is exactly what I was thinking…is there no one with any integrity/impulse control in high profile positions?
Esmom – Good point about impulse control. It seems to be the key problem that needs to be addressed with better research and better therapy toward that end. Because pedophilia seems to be a hard-wired sexual orientation, therapy that focuses on undoing that orientation would be futile.
Thinking the same thing. I’m going to be that person and say this guy has always given me the creeps. My mother says that’s because energy doesn’t lie. Meaning if you have a gut instinct about someone, trust it cause it’s probably true.
I love that — “energy doesn’t lie.” I agree, although admittedly I didn’t pay enough attention to this guy to even get a sense of his true self.
In that same vein, I have come to realize that my first impression of someone is generally correct. Even if they say/do things to contradict it, it eventually it all seems to come back to that first impression.
Gut instinct is usually correct. I used to try and give benefit of the doubt, only to find out later the initial doubt was correct 99% of the time.
Same here, I Choose Me. I have always found him to be very disingenuous. Reading this article and commenters experiences with him, it makes you realize you really should go with your instinct when it comes to certain people (I call it bad “vibes” that I get from certain people).
I have learned the hard way that you should always listen to your gut instincts. Energy doesn’t lie. Your mother was right.
I agree about gut instinct. When I was a child, we had a family friend, and even at a very young age, I felt very uncomfortable with him and disliked him. It was that “makes your skin crawl” thing where, when they pick you up, you struggle to get away.
He never physically molested me or my sisters (that I know of), but after we moved away from their town, he and his wife and daughter came to visit us. We had all gone swimming, and, when we came back, we little girls per my mom’s usual custom (because she didn’t want water dripped on the hardwood floors) stripped off our wet suits and dried ourselves on the porch before going in the house. I would say we were all seven years old and under. This guy takes out his camera and starts snapping pictures saying that he’s going to show them to his friends and they’ll all wonder who were the little naked girls he met on vacation. I felt outraged and upset that this man was taking naked pictures of us, but my parents did not do a thing!!! This was the 1970’s, and I guess they could not conceive that there was such a thing as child pornography… Luckily the man had a heart attack or stroke or something soon after and was in too ill health to travel again, and then he died.
Nowadays when I tell my mom he was a creep and probably a child molester she still has no comprehension of it and gets angry that I would suggest this about him.
chaine, yikes. I think your mom’s reaction is pretty common, people just don’t want to believe that someone they like could be such a monster.
Disagree. People who have Asperger’s syndrome or the like might have a different vibe about them that may make some neuro typical people feel like there’s something off or not quite right about them. But it doesn’t mean the person is a predator or a threat. I’ve had personal experience where my son came into contact with someone we later discovered was a convicted sex offender and had served jail time for sexually assaulting a boy who was the same age as my son. Luckily someone from this guy’s past recognized him and was able to raise the alarm before he had a chance to do anything. But prior to that there was nothing about this guy that had the alarm bells ringing.
@Mispronounced
I don’t think anyone is saying that you always get a bad vibe from a bad person, or “you should have known.” I think they are just saying that if you DO sense that this person is lying, or I’m not safe with that person, to listen to your instincts. I have had several occasions when I just knew something was off, but I didn’t want to cause a scene, or seem to be rude, so ignored my feelings, and I paid for it in various ways every time. As for a person with Asperger’s, I don’t think they would give off a threatening vibe. Maybe a different one, but it’s not the same thing. Nature gives you these instincts and you shouldn’t ignore those little alarm bells.
@GNAT: when it comes to kids I think the best bet is to assume that there could be predators around and make sure that they’re in safe environments. So that even if there was a predator around they wouldn’t be able to do anything. For example if you can’t be with them make sure they’re somewhere public with other people around so that sort of thing couldn’t happen.
I’ve never liked him from the beginning. Had no idea why, and it might just be that I don’t like his face.
This reminds me of Jerry Sandusky at Penn State, hiding his abuse of young adolescents behind his charity and the university. I can’t begin to imagine what his wife is facing regarding her own kids. You have to be so vigilant to protect your family.
exactly! and politicians etc… ive been more skeptical of such organizations over the years… its common for there to be a bad apple hiding in plain sight.
Sadly the age of consent where I live is 16 so having sex with Jared would be the only crime, the age was previously 14. I hope he’ll be behind bars for a very long, long time and have a roommate like the sick twisted character played by J.K. Simmons in Oz
I agree. I always have the motto that an eye for an eye makes the world a blind place. But when it comes to sexual predators that is the exception. Especially children, they are so innocent and vulnerable. I take my hat off to people that have the job of having to review and go through computers of sick pedo’s, I read one news story of child abuse and it wipes me out of any good in the world.
This whole thing is so disgusting and shocking. I hope, despite taking a plea deal, he has to seriously pay for these crimes.
Scumbag!
Just a note on Subway’s actions, many companies cannot simply fire or suspend ties with somebody because they have been arrested because it would violate contractual agreements and yes, that whole “innocent until proven guilty” thing upon which this nation is supposedly founded. When they fire somebody in such circumstances, they often find themselves being court-ordered to uphold the contract and pay the person, which is messier, noisier, and more expensive all around, so legally, it is best to suspend the person until the courts are done with the issue and then sever ties.
I appreciate this comment. I side eyed the suspension until reading this.
Another example is the New England Patriots and Aaron Hernandez. Kraft cut Hernandez from the team when the police identified him as a potential murder suspect. The union grieved it and Kraft had to pay Hernandez’s salary until conviction. Oh, and the union had no choice either. They were bound by statute to grieve any such cut.
Just want to say that in the middle of these horrible stories I really appreciate your calm, rational and informative comments Lilacflowers.
Thank you
Subway never should have hired him in first place. He got in trouble while at IU for renting porn tapes out of his dorm room! He clearly wasn’t vetted properly. And if he wasusch a demanding asshole why did they keep him around so long. Makes ya wonder…
They used this guy for a gazillion years. Jared=Subway=Jared. Every single news item about this story has Subway in the headline. Gross.
Supposedly this went back to college days for him. No one at the ad agency or Subway had any inkling?
Really, you would think a company as big as Subway, would have someone check into a spokespersons background! I also think Subway should be sued for showing those commercials of sandwichs full of meats and cheese, that look so big, you could barely get your mouth around it…when in reality, I look at my sandwich and wonder where the meat is!!!! False advertising!!!
They have been sued. For their foot long sandwich being 11 inches. (That was them wasn’t it?)
Checking into a background wouldn’t reveal something like this unless there were prior arrests or he posted it on an open FB page
Someone had to know, right? I’ve been wondering if this is like the Jerry Sandusky case, if someone at Subway knew and just didn’t say anything.
Why, was he that great for the company that it was worth covering up? I don’t know why I find that hard to fathom.
I don’t think it’s that he was so great for the company, but that this coming out would be so bad for the company.
@EsMom
Honestly, I don’t think The Subway Guy is that big of a draw at this point. When he first came on and Subway was trying to highlight how much more nutritious their food is than fast food burgers, maybe. I just wonder if someone at Subway found out at some point down the line and sat on it so as not to have the company associated with a pedophile. That I have no trouble believing.
Yes I guess that makes sense but at the same time that makes the cover up almost worse than the crime, from Subway’s perspective. If they knew anything, this will be far worse for them now than it would have been had they cut him loose at first inkling.
You guys know that here in Britland we are involved in a political scandal involving child sex abuse, right? I’ve no idea about this case at all. But watch this video from 1994, where a government official says OUTRIGHT that scandals “involving small boys” were covered up and used as political leverage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwkOWPauu_A
If you ask me, someone ALWAYS knows.
Agree.
There has to be enablers (Jimmy Saville must have had hundreds as did Cosby) otherwise they would never get away with it. To me they are just as guilty as the perpetrators – and should serve the same sentences.
True someone ALWAYS knows, but sadly not Everybody tells.
As I’ve said upthread, Look up David Icke on Youtube, particularly on The Richie Allen Show. Very, very enlightening.
I don’t think they would. Apparently this was a very savvy operation (which disgusting by the way). If you just do a preliminary background check on someone you just go around and talk to friends/family and check out their former addresses. No one is going to go through your computer hard drive. The big thing would be seeing amounts of money that would be coming from somewhere unexplained. However, Jared (POS) used his corporation in this so I am assuming he tied his porn business into his banks in such a way that any amount coming in had the corporation name and not his online business.
This is the big risk in having one spokesperson become the face of a business.
Back in my earliest days of marketing work, our team wanted to do a testimonial campaign using teachers and other fairly well known community figures. Our boss did not entertain the idea for more than two seconds, telling us to think about what happens when one of our upstanding citizens is in the headlines for who knows what. And the longer I live, I completely understand his point.
^Excellent point^
I read years ago an essay from one of Jared’s college buddies that the guy was basically running a huge porn operation out of his apartment. Any kind of porn, the guy said, he would get for you (I didn’t at the time think child porn though). The guy even said that the reason Jared ate all the subway sandwiches to begin with was so he wouldn’t have to leave his apartment. The Subway was close by, and he would get his porn buyers to bring him a sandwich on their way in.
Ugh.
Omg. Horrific.
Wow. And Subway still kept him on?
I worked with a guy back around 2001-2002 or so who attended IU along with Jared who mentioned the giant porn business he had and how well known he was on campus for his ‘library’. I didnt think kiddie porn either….:-( So the whole thing just confirmed the ickiness I felt wafted off this guy.
Ewww!
Exactly, WHY did Subway still hire him? Clearly they didn’t research his reputation on campus.
Someone warned them a few years ago and they did nothing,
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/subway-pitchman-jared-fogles-text-812557
Nail the bastard to the wall.
For starters.
This is awful.
The lives of the children in those movies are ruined. It is fitting that Jared’s life is ruined. Jared better be praying he is put into a separate area in prison. People who abuse children or assist in abusing children are not popular with the other prisoners. Plus being a high profile person and he is sure to have a target on his back.
He’ll probably commit suicide before going to prison.
I read Jared’s business partner did try to commit suicide after seeing what the Feds have on him. You’d have to think their evidence against Jared is equally incriminating, no? It sure seems like they were in it together.
I think I only read one article when the news first broke, but it sure did sound like these two were some kind of filthy team.
Neither of them could have removed themselves from the planet before victimizing children?
I wish these people would commit suicide BEFORE acting on their impulses. What a horrible thing to think/feel/say, but it is true. If they can’t help themselves, that would seem a perfectly acceptable alternative.
While I don’t want to defend Jared, I do want to point out that saying someone is “ruined” by sexual abuse can’t possibly help the victims. They’re not damaged goods and with help, they can hopefully grow up and move beyond what happened to them as children.
I think the description is apt, though I acknowledge your point. Sexual child abuse is so horribly damaging it is hard to think of it in any other terms. But I pray those children are able to get help – surely their identities will be exposed (not to the public) during the proceedings. I wonder where they get these kids? Arg- it makes me heartsick.
I agree, J. As someone says, energy doesn’t lie. I don’t want to minimize it either, but I think you can help children deal with their feelings about it and not come at it from that angle to their face.
I agree – a tsunami of people virtually telling you that your life is bound to be over because you are a victim of CSA and you’ll never be the same again, is hardly conducive to recovery. We have to find a way of neither minimising the harm done nor of ending up making it worse by piling on.
I agree with your outlook, and don’t say their lives are ruined. But I do say they are damaged, because they are. They are wounded. I don’t think pretending they’re not is helpful, either. It doesn’t mean that they can’t grow up to have healthy, happy lives. But you don’t “move past” child abuse. You learn healthy ways to cope with it and minimize its impact on your life.
Excellent point J. I think we all get so angry at the abusers that we don’t consider how we portray the abused.
The victims can get help and go on to be perfectly ok. But it isn’t fair that they should have to. And it isn’t fair that they should have to struggle with ANY of it because of some vile predator.
This is also what is problematic about the “abused later becoming abusers” situation. Not every victim goes on to abuse other kids. And it is kind of awful to think that anyone would need to worry about that stigma.
You made a good point. I hope the children that were abused are able to get help and counselling for what was done to them. Jared deserves all the punishment and more that is coming his way
Depending on the age, and even then, I think that each individual should determine how damaged they are by something. I had something happen to me that, had I been told I should be damaged it probably would have ruined me. But I didn’t tell and no one told me how it should impact me. I chose how to react to it, not someone else. That being said, I do concede I am not everybody. 🙂
Thank you. I sometimes feel like I’m the only one who feels this way. It’s not just children but adult victims of sexual crimes as well. The idea that we should hide our names and faces because of the shame of it all. Victims of non sexual violence arent expected to hide, that’s what rape is. It’s violence. It hurts. It continues to hurt but much of the pain is in the belief that you are somehow shameful. It’s one thing to acknowledge an assault can have devastating effects but ruin is just telling someone they’ll never recover.
+1
Why US has opportunities to plea bargain? Expecially in cases like this? I kind of understand the system if it is some kind of organized crime circle and you want to caught other criminals so is he going to name other people? Otherwise I do not understand the plea bargain system at all.
Because if they go to a full trial, the person could go free on a procedural technicality on appeal. This way, they get a guaranteed conviction.
Lilacflowers- don’t they often make deals to get the person to turn evidence on other people who might be associated with the crime? If this is really a ‘ring’, maybe they offered Jared a deal to get more information on who his distributed this stuff to, who supplied this stuff, etc.?
From what I’ve heard and read, these rings can be huge, and the people involved usually protect each other.
With crime rings, yes, but the person isn’t getting away free. For some child porn crimes, there are mandatory minimums, even with a plea deal in place. For others, they also face civil adjudication as a sexually dangerous person, which is pretty much a life sentence with an automatic review every few years.
To ensure a conviction. Even if he serves little to no time in prison, he will likely spend the rest of his life having to register as a sex offender.
Castration with a pair of rusty pliers are in order. I’m not a violent person, but stories like this make me want bust out my toolbox.
+1
Too bad castration doesn’t seem to do much good.
Oh, it’s not to prevent further abuse. I just thought it was a fitting end for this base human being (if any pedophile can be described as such). But I agree. Castration doesn’t work in practice but in theory it just feels apropos.
Well actually it gets rid of sex drive so there’s that.
And at least it also would prevent them from breeding and producing more pedophiles. I read one theory that there is a genetic component because an abnormally high percentage of pedophiles are left handed which does NOT mean left-handed people are pedos, it just shows that there could be something genetic at work.
We need to remove pedophiles from our population one pedo at a time..
People like Jared go after teenagers because it’s a power trip and forbidden. Maybe they didn’t get enough tail when they were that age and they’re trying to right those “wrongs.” Some guys never get over being the loser in high school. I hope his wife takes him to the cleaners. How awful for his own children.
Also I hope he gets really fat again on prison food! No subs for you, creep!
Pedophiles go after children because they are sick and twisted predators. It has nothing to do with not getting sexfrom peers at a certain age. Indeed, they may have been getting more sex than their peers because they were raping younger children.
They may also have been having some form of sex as children because they were being abused.
My friend used to see him making out at the bars in Bloomington whilst married to his first wife.
But this truly is disgusting..
Who would want to make out with him even prior to this? Blech.
I guess I’m just surprised the wife who’s now divorcing him is actually his second. His poor kids.
Ugh, my skin is crawling and my brain is screaming. I think this is so much more common than we acknowledge. I hope he gets jail time. I’m praying for it.
The statistics on abused children are much higher than people realize.
The police and crime squads who go after these repulsive individuals are heroes. I can’t imagine the horrors they’ve had to watch in order to track down these people and compile cases against them. I remember an investigator appearing on the Oprah Show talking about how much it haunts him.
It makes me happy that they catch up with these people. My abuser got away scott free until he was caught again with another girl that was the same age as I was when it happened almost ten years later. I don’t think he understands what he’s done to those kids–the lifetime of flash backs, the lack of trust you give people, the bouts of depression, of wondering who are you really–is this who I would’ve grown up as if this had not happened, the nights where sleep is more of a threat than a blessing, the being told “it happened a long time ago, get over it”, the shame, the anger, the worry for your OWN kids/family members…and still getting up every morning and doing it again.
That’s awful that happened to you! At least they were caught at some point.
It’s heartless to not consider how their actions will impact their victims for the rest of their lives. Or simply a lack of morals. I never liked Jared. I was either indifferent of disliked. Monsters like this? Hate seems about right.
I’m so sorry, MonicaQ.
I will smack the HELL out of ANYONE who spouts that ‘it was a long time ago, get over it’ crap. The fact that there’s even a statute of limitations on CSA burns me bad.
Truly disturbing how much of this goes on in the world. There are monsters walking among us. And they love to put themselves in positions where they will be around children. Coaches, teachers, daycare workers, the entertainment industry etc. But parents need to really step up their game and be more vigilant. I side eye everyone when it comes to my kids.
I don’t believe pedophiles can be “cured”. Whatever someone is attracted to is such a basic ingrained instinct, you can’t be rid of that. I don’t know what the answer is but something drastic needs to be done to protect children. And let’s stop and think a moment about all those who watch child porn. They are part of this sick problem. Supply and demand. Without an audience those that make this filth would have no one to distribute to.
Unfortunately nothing can be done. When one of those child p0rn sites shuts down 50 of them pop up.
I sure hope there’s some stiff minimum sentencing for whatever this POS is pleading to. And that he receives the maximum sentence they can give him.
He needs to do serious jail time for having any part in destroying children’s lives.
Dont choke on all the footlongs you’ll be dining on in jail (I hope) Jarod.
Disgusting piece of sh*t. After today, can we please not have to see his face again?
So disturbing. I think “child pornography” should be re-branded “child rape images” to help people understand the gravity of it.
Very good point and I agree.
Castration is the way forward.
It’s the ones you would never peg as sexual deviants that are.
So reports are that he has to serve a minimum of 5 years and a $1.4 million fine; $100K for each victim. Not nearly enough IMO considering the allegations that I read this morning in the indictment papers. Completely disgusted & sick to my stomach – he & his friend are complete and total sickos.
He should be serving far more.
I acknowledge that child predation has always been with us, and that child porn has been made since they’ve been making porn at all, but I kind of wonder if the great explosion in amount and type (certainly availability) has given child pornography cover in some ways, like these disgusting people can tell themselves this is just another kind of porn, and that the fact that there are (allegedly; I have never watched porn, let alone child) women who look like children…
I guess I don’t have a coherent point here, and although I do not personally consume porn, I don’t seek its prohibition. Just kind of wondering if the normalization of porn has given pervs cover.
It probably has. Porn is a fked up industry and I feel dirty after watching (consensual, adult!!!!) porn. While I don’t have a problem generally with adults enjoying adult videos, I’m probably going to stop because I don’t want to be part of the problem anymore. Supply and demand and all that stuff.
Well now they can find each other online and encourage each other whereas before they would have been more isolated and maybe more ashamed.
He won’t get probation on child porn charges. I have very little doubt that he absolutely will serve jail time. Sick f-cks!
My mom just told me a creepily disturbing story. When she was young, her parents basically left them out in their house in the country–her and her five siblings. This is in the late sixties–and everyone KNEW that there were six kids running around without any kind of supervision (or food)….. They lived right next door to a farm, and there were these creepy, creepy teenage boys who lived there. And they figured out that they were alone, so they would always mess with them. My oldest aunt was only about 13/14…… She said she woke up in the middle of the night to see one of those boys staring at her. They all started sleeping two to a bed after that. Being that there was only one light outside the house (and no running water)….my aunts and uncles and mom had to go outside to use the bathroom……but my mom and her youngest brother always peed the bed, because those boys were always roaming around outside their house–would put their faces in the window. And my mom told me that she used to be SO scared to go to sleep, and to go to the bathroom at night, because of those boys.
All this to say–that shit stays with you. Just thinking about it now–she’s always worked night shift work, and has always had a hard time sleeping at night.
I read through this entire thread before posting my opinion, and I know some if not many will disagree, but I can’t fathom any kind of treatment or behavior control therapy for pedophiles. It’s similar to the line of thought that gay people can be “cured”. They cannot because it is who they are. You cannot train a person who is attracted to kids to not be attracted to them – it is their nature. It may not be natural to us, but it is to them. No, I do not think the LGBT community is anything pedophilic. I’m just saying there was a time and are still some backward folks who think homosexuality can be cured. Most of us know better. I feel the same about pedophilia. Even if a person knew they had pedophilic tendencies and sought help before they acted on it, I don’t see how those proclivities could be altered, let alone taken away. It’s no different than thinking a normal adult person could be trained to find children sexually appealing. We’re not wired that way. Pedophiles are wired the way they are and that line of thinking is akin to the church of scientology thinking they can brainwash their members into not being gay. It is impossible. I, for one, do not support treating pedophiles. There is no treatment. I feel bad as a human being that my preference for pedophiles is to lock them away without hope, but they are ruined individuals whose lives on this planet are either going to be that of a demon for those who act on it and don’t get caught, or doomed to incarceration if caught. All we can do is be vigilent, trust our guts, and do our best to keep our kids safe.
There was one pedophile I know of through affiliations with the courts, who was a convicted pedophile. He served his time. He got out and went right into therapy. Six months later, he hung himself and left a suicide note stating he knew he was going to do it again so he was taking his life before he hurt anybody else again. I admire him for doing that. It is sad, but he knew there was no changing who he was.
As far a psychology is concerned the jury is really out on whether or not you can ‘cure’ pedophiles. There are some who totally support your argument that it’s a sexual orientation that cannot be altered. The Canadian Psychiatrist Dr James Cantor argues that Pedophiles are physically different with different brain formations to the rest of the population. as demonstrated by IMR scans. The data also suggests they are shorter, with a lower IQ and have a tendency to left-handedness. Others who work with offenders argue that they can be taught to ‘control’ their impulses and not act on them. The real problem is that even if a Pedophile is ‘taught’ not to act can you ever really trust them not to? The impulse may always be there. What is clear that is there is a need for considerably more research into the area particularly as, if they are ‘wired’ differently to the rest of us then the condition will not go away because they will continue to appear in the population. I think, as I said above and others have also argued, we need to at least try and sort this out, whether that involves surgery, drug therapy or a form of yet to be invented external control, our kids lives literally depend on it.
It’s probably a spectrum. There are likely people who are hardwired to be attracted to kids and there are probably who are more attracted to the taboo and the rule breaking. To use the gay analogy Jennifer put forth, not everyone who has had homosexual sex is full on gay.
Whether or not someone can control these urges is going to depend so much on where they fall on the spectrum and the individual and how disciplined they are, how strong their libido is, etc.
I agree with you (and Jennifer) most sexual behavior falls on a spectrum (e.g. in the UK a recent survey showed that 49% of 18 to 24 year olds do not define themselves as heterosexual) Whilst a Police chief in the UK who leads on child abuse says that most people who look at indecent images of children on line do not go on to abuse children supporting the idea that some are attracted to the rule breaking element. Recognizing that is perhaps a start to weeding out hard core predators who are going to want to abuse children whatever the consequences but we do need to weed them out and we do need to deal with them.
On an emotional level I fully sympathize with Crumpet’s post above and would happily nail them to a wall, or Goodnames argument to lock ’em up and throw away the key. The idea of what they are doing to those children is so repugnant it makes me feel sick to the depths of my soul. In the real world, on my side of the pond and yours, none of that will happen. Government will never allow us to remove these people from society to keep our kids out of danger so what is the real alternative? As you point out we can start of with parental and community vigilance at least if there is as much information as possible out there we will collectively know what to look out for. I hope for gene therapy that may allow us to eradicate the faulty bit of wiring that causes this in the first place but that opens another whole new ethical can of worms on the morality of interfering with and altering human biology. We are left with treatment and as faulty as that is right now it’s all we’ve got, although I agree it seems awfully weak and ineffectual in the face of the magnitude of these crimes.
I agree with you, JenniferJustice. I have no problem with research, but until we have a “cure” or some kind of treatment, I don’t see any other option than keeping them away from children. I feel heartless in a way saying that, because I believe it’s a sickness. But personal choice is also involved. They choose to act on these impulses, knowing they are doing harm, just as rapists do. Either the impulse is too strong to control, or they choose to indulge the impulse, but either way, they are hurting innocent victims. I think it’s more important to worry about that than it is to experiment with ways to help them curb their impulses when the consequences are so dire.
As long as men are running the world, these humans will be continuously arrested, sent to prison, released, arrested, sent to prison… I hardly ever hear outrage about child abuse or rape from the men who lead us all. Why hasn’t one of our glorious congresspeople or senators taken on the cause of statute of limitations on sex crimes? These crimes should be made federal offenses with no SOL. If women were running this country, we’d build these incurable perverts a nice town out in the desert somewhere with a movie theater and bars and a gym and then build a 20-foot high wall around it and have it under military control. And the psychiatrists could use them as guinea pigs to their heart’s content.
Even if there was a drug that ‘cured’ them ….could you really trust them to keep taking it? If there is even a slight genetic component than weeding them out before they can breed could significantly reduce their population.
We need to treat them like the vermin they are. Sad to have to say that about a human.
@bedhead — he pleaded guilty. So you don’t have to worry about “innocent until proven…”. He basically admitted to doing every thing he’s charged with.
The wife filed for divorce. ET got the scoop
Jared is a pederast assh*le. He is going to jail, his wife filed for divorce, and he will be on sex offender registries when he gets out. In other word his life is ruined, and I say good. I have no forgiveness in my heart for anyone who preys on children. Bye Jared.
Give people 15 mins of fame and they evidently always find away to botch s.ugar h.oney i.ce t.ea out of it! They better have him registered as a sex offender.
Very telling the wife is bailing out…but why now and not when they took evidence from the home. I mean wake up lady..you have babies to protect.
I seriously side-eye his wife. We’ll never for sure, but I find it very difficult to beleive she never had a clue. Bailing at this point seems more for own reputation than her just now finding out and being shocked and leaving. Please tell me they do not have children?
They do. And they may have been separated for a while and she just now filed. I don’t know the details.
The wife is said to be shocked and horrified..yank..yank..
Why now? Didnt the lightbulb come on when they found DVD’s in the home??? She should have been gone in July AT least!
Haven’t read the other comments, so if I’m repeating what someone else has already said, I’ll say it again anyway. ROT IN HELL YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF $HIT.
Never liked this LOSER and always got a weird vibe from him. People like him don’t deserve a second chance.
A few commenters has ask who the children are and where do they come from who are in these disgusting videos. Well, just think about it… The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children estimate that about 800,000 children go missing every year (roughly 2,000 per day). I wholeheartedly believe that a great many kids are forced into child prostitution/pronographic rings, used for $nuff films, and a whole other host of evil proclivities.
That is almost a million kids a year!!! Where are they??? Where are their bodies??? It’s something to think about.
That’s probably true. And unfortunately a lot of kids are abused by people they know and trust. That’s why it’s so hard to get a handle on it. No none thinks Uncle Jimmy would do things like that.
See my comment below regarding both Fogle and Taylor. If these crimes were punished with life in prison without parole or execution, I think we would see less of them. Instead, he gets 5 years!!!!
Last year Subway got caught having a product in there bread that is use to make Yoga mats, so that the bread lasts longer and now this?
After the bread story came out, I wasn’t really planning to go back and with this, if I have to choose between Subway and Mc D’s? I’m going home hungry!!
Not to detract from the seriousness of the situation but the chemical used in yoga mats is used everywhere as it’s harmless. Good old Vani Hari (aka Vain Hair) was just fearmongering for profit and subway had to capitulate because of her huge fan base. Seriously, the sandwiches were fine.
Did you guys see the charging documents????? That is NOT just child pron Taylor was involved in. He was involved in MAKING it at his home and then sending it to this pedo:
http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk/tmz_documents/0819-jared-fogle-allegations-tmz.pdf
The victims were as young as 6!!!! How is this not called child rape????? Why is this not life sentence?
OMG, I am going to vomit and cry.
THAT IS DISGUSTING UGGGHHH BURN HIM ALIVE