A few days ago, I was reading about how Kim Kardashian has been craving beignets and how Kris Jenner has basically told her that she’s getting fat during her pregnancy. I was going to write about it at some point, but then this popped up. Kim has given her fans yet another update on her terrible, miserable, heinous pregnancy. As it turns out, Baby Boy Kardashian-West is breech and Kim is worried about the delivery. Just know: this story made my stomach (and other parts) CLENCH. I seriously don’t know how so many of you ladies do this.
As Kim Kardashian West enters her 36th week of pregnancy, the reality star is opening up about the fact that her baby is breech — and all the ways she’s trying to get him to turn.
In a new blog post shared on her website and app Tuesday — which she admitted she wrote “while up at 4 A.M., a little anxious” for her delivery — Kardashian West says she’s “surrendered to the placenta issues” but that her latest concern is that her baby is currently in the wrong position for childbirth: His head is still facing upwards, and he was supposed to turn by 32 weeks. Though breech babies are usually delivered via C-section, Kardashian West, 35, has been exploring other options.
“As I lay awake late at night, researching, I’ve learned that you actually can deliver a breech baby and I feel fortunate that my doctor Paul Crane is one of the few doctors that still does this. They just don’t even teach it anymore,” she wrote, adding that Dr. Crane was her mom Kris Jenner‘s doctor and actually delivered Kardashian West herself.
Kardashian West, who is already mom to daughter North, 2, also mentioned she’d watched a documentary called “Heads Up” on breech delivery.
“I found it very interesting that I do have this option to deliver a breech baby as opposed to just jumping into a C-section,” she wrote. “Obviously, if it’s an emergency and for the safety of my son, I will get a C-section — but if I don’t need one, I’d rather not. I guess 4 percent of women are faced with [breech babies] — so, lucky me! It’s been hard because I usually go to my mom or [my sister] Kourtney [Kardashian] for baby and pregnancy advice, but they both — with nine total pregnancies! — have never experienced one of these crazy things.”
Though Kardashian West said her baby might be “just too big at this point” to turn (he’s over 7 pounds!), she has been trying “anything to still turn the baby,” including “intensive chiropractic work.”
“I lay practically upside down three times a day for 15 minutes,” she explained. “I play music in the right position and ice my belly in certain spots to get him to squirm out of the breech position. I even started accupuncture where I burn moxa (mugwort) on my pinky toe every day! I am even attempting hypnosis!”
Kardashian West also added that she will be trying “Version or ECV, which is a procedure to turn the baby from a breech position.”
“You should Google this and watch it because it looks so painful and scary and has to be done in the hospital,” she said. “So please wish me luck and pray the baby turns! This whole delivery gives me anxiety, not gonna lie. I hope the baby turns and all goes well but I’m prepared for anything!”
I believe her about the baby being breech. I do NOT believe her claims that she would love to deliver the baby vaginally and not via C-section. I’m sorry, I just don’t. Maybe that’s my own fear of all things labor-related, but if I found out that there was even one small problem with the potential birth plan, I’d be like, “Oh, too bad… go ahead and schedule the C-section.” I suspect Kim is the same way. I mean, why even bother pretending that she’s going deliver the old-fashioned way? And why not? I hate the pressure on women to have these horrific birth stories. I mean, do what’s right for you, but if I was facing what Kim’s facing – a breech position and placenta accreta and the strong possibility of an emergency hysterectomy – why not just schedule the damn C-section?
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No. Delivering breach is not a safe and healthy option at all. There are many many dangers. My uncle has lifelong problems due to oxygen loss during his breach delivery (in the 50s). And that’s mild compared to some issues that can happen.
My son was frank breach and even though I had taken hypno courses and had a doula and was 100% set on natural birth, once I found out he was breach and we ran out of time for him to turn, I knew it wasn’t about my plans anymore, it was about getting him here safely. C sections are hard but really in this case necessary.
I do feel for her right now though. The last weeks of pregnancy with a breach baby were so bad. The position of the baby is a nightmare to the moms body. It felt like my pelvis was being ripped open, I could barely walk.
Patricia, thanks for being such a sane mom. “I knew it wasn’t about my plans any more”.
You have completely nailed the main idea of parenthood. When parents come in with rigid birth plans that nothing will derail, I’ve found it generally leads to less than optimal results.
Somehow I doubt, especially after a c-section, that Kim’s OB is rushing to do a vaginal birth on a breech kid. Maybe with no prior section but that sounds just crazy.
My brother was born breech over 50 years ago. The doctor pulled on his right arm and he was left with a lifelong disability including needing to learn to be a “leftie” and because of the times was put in special ed. He hated school and was humiliated because he was a perfectly bright kid and ended up dropping out of school before high school. Needless to say his life has been difficult. He’s still struggling financially although he finally met a good woman who is very supportive.
I think you are totally right. I doubt any doctor, with Kim’s history and prior c-section, is willing to risk a breech delivery. With her issues (and saying she might need a hysterectomy anyway) I think this is all BS.
I had a rough pregnancy with my daughter, so I very much relate to the way that Kim doesn’t care for being pregnant. However, it sure is suspect that she seemingly has every issue under the sun while pregnant and then says she’s trying to VBAC a breech baby…
So you’d think she’d take off the damn heels!
My first thought too! And the tight strappiness looks so uncomfortable. Not very attractive either…her legs/feet look like sausages struggling to get out of casings.
She is not due for another month. Announcing to the world that your baby is breach is strange–it is a private matter in the first place, but why jump the gun? Because she’s a lying attention hoor. She’s complained of every pregnancy malady that she can find with her low IQ: pre-eclampsia, placenta acreta, gestational diabetes, swollen feet, eminent hysterectomy, breach position, and a partridge in a pear tree. I especially guffaw when she claims her doctor stuck his whole arm up her and scraped her uterus with his fingernail wwwhat? LOL #L I A R
Robynsing: “it’s a private matter.” That made my sides hurt from laughing. The Kardashians don’t have private matters, nor do they have reasonably sized problems. Just be grateful if her c-section isn’t broadcast live, with cutaways for self-involved drama from the rest of the clan.
She is setting this up for a c-section so that she can get lipo and a tummy tuck right after the birth. Who does she think she’s kidding?
@ Robynsing
Thank you! You said everything I was going to say, just more eloquently! I agree 100% with all you said!
Happy Thanksgiving All! 🦃
If the baby is already 7 lbs., she is due now. Another “early delivery” drama plus all of the other 5,000+ reasons we have had thrust at us for the past eternity. The only thing anybody cares about with the arrival of this child is what awful moniker are they going to select. Did Kris Jenner think she was trying to outsmart the Devil by selling the souls of the children of her second born for whatever deal was made?
Don’t forget Hyperemesis gravidarum that she said she had and she was hawking that prescription medication for on her Instagram.
I’m sorry but for everyone claiming she is making all of this up…have you ever had babies?
1) as for the claim that her doc stuck his arm up her and scraped her uterus- this happened to me after my second child was born. I had a clot and was bleeding badly and my doctor, after giving me a shot in the thigh to slow the bleeding, stuck her entire hand and up to her forearm up there to scrape out a clot. It was EXCRUCIATING and far worse than anything I had experienced in the preceding labor.
2) Kim has had a rough time getting pregnant, and was even told before North that she would probably never have children. Is it really that crazy to think her body just doesn’t like being pregnant? It happens.
Personally, I believe that she is having all of these maladies, and wish her and her baby a safe labor and delivery.
Well, after having to have a c section due to both my twins being breech and having pre-eclampsia and then having a massive haemmorage in recovery I had a doctor insert the majority of her arm into my uterus whilst simultaneously whacking me on the tummy to try to get my uterus to contract I can say I do believe Kim’s list of problems and fear of major surgery. I also got a nasty case of PTSD from it all and am terrified to have any more children
If the fingernail scraping happened the way Kim now says it did – I just can’t imagine Kim and Demon Mother keeping quiet about it all this time. Really, there is no way to know whether Kim is ever telling the truth. She lies too much. But she would have played the drama big time much sooner, that’s what she does. She just makes stuff up based on things she’s heard about or her assistant has dug up, it all isn’t even consistent. She didn’t talk about it before because she didn’t think up the story before.
By the way, now she is saying she had a C-section with Nori. At the time, she was telling us she had a vaginal delivery although she had wanted a C-section. There are also reasons to doubt her claim that Nori was 5 weeks premature. The woman just isn’t a reliable source about her own life….
If her ho-ha was big enough for a doctor to immerse his entire arm, she shouldn’t have a problem delivering. LOL
Also by the way- Kim was not told she probably would never have children. We have it on video that the fertility doctor seeing Khloe (Kim horned in on the appointment) said very clearly that Kim was okay. Nori was conceived quite rapidly after Kim and Kanye got together after her 72 day marriage to her second husband. Kim only started claiming fertility issues much later as a cover for gender selection, since Kanye wanted a boy and she had said that they would keep trying if the next one was a girl. In vitro was required for gender selection. Making sure it was a boy was the only way to avoid another pregnancy in her mind and she absolutely hates being pregnant and doesn’t ever want to do it again. Then she started talking about other issues that were variations on implausible things she had said before (really, she would be dead if it all were true) and that she might have to have a hysterectomy etc. The latest wave of revised stories might be to convince people that a C-section is medically necessary rather than a choice for other reasons (they are very popular in Hollywood) and that she really really tried to avoid it. Or it might be directed straight at Kanye (the same might be true about all the other stories), since he doesn’t like the idea of a C-section because his mother died of complications of surgery (or so we were told when Nori was born and the story was still that she was delivered vaginally; that has now shifted to C-section). So she might be doing all this specifically to convince Kanye that 1) she has to have a C-section despite wanting to do it his way and 2) no matter what happens with his little heir, she cannot get pregnant again. The guy undoubtedly does not take kindly to the word “no”, so this might be her way of dealing with that. The public drama is how she rolls for other reasons as well.
Trying to untangle Kim’s ever-shifting stories is like watching an Hercule Poirot or Miss Marple mystery.
Yes, especially since when it’s not your first child your uterus has wiggle room and the baby can turn. Only when it’s your first baby and your uterus is growing with the baby it probably won’t turn. I speak from experience too lol. Anyway this family always has alterior motives behind their words.
This is why my “birth plan” was just to have her in the safest manner possible for the both of us. I had no expectations or concrete desires/needs other than for her and I to be safe and healthy. I needed emergency forceps and things got scary but I feel 100% happy and OK with my delivery because it was what was best. Having too many expectations sets yourself up for failure.
THIS! You have to be ready to throw your birth plan out the window because when it comes down to it, it’s about the safety of you and your baby. I think so many people go in with such a specific idea–candles lit, music playing, natural childbirth. But when it happens, you may need to be induced, you may need an emergency C section, you may need vacuum or forceps. People get so caught up in their earth mama vision that when it doesn’t happen they are devastated. Some need counseling, some end up with PTSD. Being flexible and understanding that things may not go your way is key. After all, a healthy baby and mama is what matters most!
I’m not going to make nasty comments about her like so many others. She is choosing to share her pregnancy experience which is not a good idea because she’s opening herself up to ridicule and cruel remarks. It’s her deal, not mine, and her decisions to make. If she listened to the advice on here, she wouldn’t have a clue what to do.
This simply isn’t true. Why is America so far behind on maternity care? You’ll find that just two years ago many countries, including my own (Canada) have deemed breech delivery safer than a c-section if a variety of factors are present. It is something that MUST be offered to any pregnant mother with a breech baby who meets the requirements, in addition to the offering of a c-section. Vaginal breech delivery has also been added to the curriculum of all OBGYN students and midwives (our midwives are a bit more regulated and professional than most US states, they are government funded, fully supported by the medical establishment, deliver at hospitals/homes and do everything except c-sections.)
I had a successful breech delivery. My doctor had a student do it under his supervision. We had to have my daughter’s hips checked every 6 months for 2 years, but she’s fine. Very athletic. We didn’t realize she was breech until I was 7 cm dilated. I had to agree to be prepared for surgery, I had one hour to push and I had to agree to force use on her hips. I was ~in ~ labour, so I all I heard was one hour to push.
My second daughter was breech at 37 weeks, and she turned after we used moxibustion. I am not saying it was because of, but I had read studies that showed it was successful in a turn that stayed turned at a rate 6% higher than manual turns, and less risk factors.
But I would have had a c-section if needed.
I delivered a footling breach baby, not on purpose. By the time I got to the hospital her feet were out and it was too late for an emergency c-section. It was excruciating and horrible. There is no way this lazy bi*ch would willingly choose this type of birth.
Well, all the best to the pregnant mothers in this world.
As for Kim K. : she is not a reliable source. Making headlines is her business model and she does exploit all her family situations and medical conditions for that.
Nevertheless all the best to her and her family.
Shewolf
Thank you for speaking some sense here. Such bias comments that facts are dismissed because the person of topic isn’t liked.
Breech deliveries happen. And women do opt for no c section if possible. It’s not a guaranteed better option over vaginal. Depends on many circumstances.
And positions can be corrected during labor.
Thank you!!! The C-section rate in San Diego is SEVENTY PERCENT. This is not normal, or safe. In some parts of LA it’s close to 50%. Again, not normal, and not safe. C sections are much more complicated and dangerous than vaginal births.
Wait. Wait. Did I imagine it, or didn’t they have a C-section already booked in for Christmas Day, long before this latest “development” of a possible breech baby? This is too much I can’t keep up.
YES! That is what I remember hearing too.
This. She can’t keep up with her own lies.
I only have one child and he was breech. The c section was horrible, the worst physical pain of my life. But once the doctor said that a c section was safer for the baby, I knew thats what I’d be doing even though I hate surgery. So I get where she’s coming from.
I have been in exactly her situation and it sucks. All of a sudden you start researching everything you can do not to have a c section. The ECV was a terrifying idea to me. Fortunately my baby turned at week 36 after burning moxy only once and I had the easiest delivery ever after all that drama. I feel for her I was up all nights researching and I hope it turns out well for her
No way she is pushing out a baby. Sorry. Also it is impossible to determine the exact weight of a baby before it is born.
RIGHT??!! When I was pregnant with my daughter, I had a non-reactive NST and had to go to the hospital where they said I had lower than usual amniotic fluid and a baby who was nearing 11 pounds!! Only after I gave birth did I discover that late in term ultrasounds are often 2 pounds off. Because I was high risk, I was given the option to have a c-section and said “YES”. I did consult with friends who had previous csections, but still, why take the risk?
Your doctor will give you an estimate, so it’s not unusual for women to say things like “My baby weighs five pounds right now” after the growth scan, even though they know it’s just an educated guess. Sometimes it can be a couple of pounds off, even, but it’s not weird for KK to be talking about her baby’s size right now.
A couple of pounds off – that could literally mean 25% of a baby’s weight when it is born. My point is, doctors have no idea how much a baby will weigh so I am just bemused when people say, “Oh the dr said this baby is going to weight 10 pounds!” and then inevitably has a baby that weights 6.5lbs.
I don’t get how these guesses can be so far off: the doctor / technician does usually measure the diameter of the unborn baby’s head in order to determine wether it might be too big to be delivered naturally.
It’s not weird. It’s realistic.
At 36 weeks my doctor was sure my daughter was 8 lbs and that they were would consider inducing me the following week because I was miserable with back pain. That was on a Friday. Monday morning at 12:18am I had a 6lb 3oz baby. I had been leaking fluid and having back labor in her office. So doctors get it wrong.
This is exactly why due dates are changed. Instead of basing it on the last period (if possible) they go by the ultrasounds and many times due dates are changed. Anyway, 7 lbs is not that big of a baby.
Kim is a tiny person so for her frame it might be big.
Right?!?!?! 7lbs is a perfectly normal size. I had twins and they were 6 and 7lbs which is big for twins. The doctors kept telling me they were praying for 5 lbs and they’d be happy with high 4lbs and then the brats were 6 and 7lbs!! Everyone was like, omg these babies are huge!!! I said, yeah, I could tell.
Kim thinking 7lbs is big… pppffftttt…..
Can you tell I’m still a little bitter? 😉
7lbs might not seem that big now, but considering her due date isn’t until the end of December, depending on what other medical complications she has, the baby ciuld be gaining weight rapidly.
I was told at my appointment last week that in the third trimester you’re looking at your baby gaining half a pound a week, double with gestational diabetes. So pretending her due date is Christmas, she’s looking at about a 10 pound baby, just with regular weight gain, not including any issues. On a small woman like Kim, that’s an exceptionally big baby. Now who knows when her due date actually is, that’s the real kicker.
I have a friend built just like Kim and she had 9 and 10 lb babies with no problems. Seven pounds isn’t even considered average now a days. More like 7 1/2 – 8 lbs is more average.
It is her second child and the second ones are often a bit bigger than the first.
Well, making drama is her business model and as the amount of comments in here shows: it works.
No kidding. Pregnant with my first child, my doctor said she thought the baby would be “high 6s, low 7s.” Ha! I wish. 9lbs, 8oz was the reality.
I had the opposite, was told likely 9 lbs and turned out just under 7. It’s guesswork.
…but 7 lbs at 8 months pregnant is pretty big. Most babies gain the lion’s share of their weight during the last 4 weeks. If the baby is 7 lbs now, as I understand it Kim could be looking at a 10 lb baby. A breech baby that large might be more risky than if he were smaller.
The point is, the doctor has no idea if the baby is now weighing 7lbs. They just can’t tell. They can measure the bones, but there is no way of actually weighing the child until it is born. Any estimate is a guess and they are usually wrong.
Well, ultrassound should enable them to measure the size of arms / belly / calves, too. They usually measure the diameter of the head in order to determine if a c-section is needed.
I think maybe she wants a natural labour because recovery time is quicker and you know , she has to snap up a Vogue cover to feature her ‘Snap Back’. Growing up I was told you could only ever have one or maximum of 2 c sections , can someone explain how VB had FOUR.
You can have several c sections. My friend has had 3 and if she has more kids they will all be c sections.
You were given incorrect information.
I guess so, so after having a c section you can never go back to giving natural birth, is that correct?
Loopy, you can go back. It’s called VBAC for vaginal birth after c-section. I had one and hope for another. In the last 20? 30? Years the direction of the incision has changed for csection (now horizontal, was vertical) and that has lessened the risk of complications for VBACs.
Many OBs won’t consider it because of risk of uterine rupture, and it’s true that the risk is double than that of someone who had a repeat surgery, but the risk of it happening in either type of delivery is very low (.5% to 1% I think).
After a terrible first labor experience that ended in a csection, I have seen a certified nurse midwife for subsequent pregnancies because generally they are more down with VBACs.
**note, NOT a lay midwife like a duggar. A registered nurse who has special training in midwifery. So. So. Different.***
Loopy, I’m not sure if I should quote your original post or my reply so I’ll quote your original and hope thid works.
Generally no, you can not go back to a normal birth. It can be done and is called a vaginal birth after c section or VBAC. It’s considered higher risk because the theory is the uterus can rupture at the previous c section site incision. It’s harder and harder to find doctors and hospitals who will perform a VBAC. Like Kim said about delivering breech babies, it’s really not even taught anymore. If you’ve had a c section, scheduled, sections are the norm for all future babies.
I live in a huge metroplex with a few million people and it’s darn near impossible to find an OB who will do it here. I only know this because my neighbors daughter wanted a VBAC and after a few months of looking finally found a doctor in a city over an hour away to do it.
My daughter had a VBAC. Her daughter was literally folded in half, feet by her ears, butt down (took her months not to put her feet by her ears). They tried to turn her but it didn’t work. She had two more vaginal deliveries after that.
I’m lined up for a VBAC. Healing went fine with my c-section so my doc wanted to try it (I don’t care – I go with her advice…she’s brilliant and cautious and I just want a live baby and a live momma). I’m being induced, so there’s certain medications you can’t use after a c-section. I’m aware that this VBAC might turn into a c-section and I’m ok with that. I’m delivering at one of the best hospitals in Boston and my OB is a professor at Harvard Med, so I trust her judgment.
I’m pretty sure Ethel Kennedy had like 10 or 11 c-sections. In the 60’s it was once a c-section always a c-section
@Yoohoo – you can have several c-sections, but after the second, the uterus and scar get thinner and weaker. They get a lot dicier.
@megs283 – I VBACd two years ago and the simplicity of the recovery compared to my c-section was AMAZING. I, too, wanted a live baby and a live me, but I also wanted tp be able to bounceback quicker than I did with my section. Good luck to you!
betsy, i had a vbac with my daughter while the drs kept pushing for c-section and i’m so glad i fought for it. it was so much easier to recover from and i feel like i have more of a bond with her.
if kim is comfortable in her decision and is aware of the consequences, she has every right to be able to avoid another c-section.
The old “classical” vertical incisions were more likely to rupture with multiple pregnancies/c-sections. They now do horizontal incisions (usually) which doesn’t carry as high of a risk.
VB??
Victoria Bechkam has apparently had C sections on all her kids, I am not sure if it was medical or other reasons.
It’s possible to have more than two C sections but as I understand it the scar tissue can be an issue.
My cousin had three C section deliveries and after the third the doctor spent over an hour cutting away old scar tissue and closing her up. That was her last kid.
This absolutely. If you tend to scar badly, the adhesions can be a nightmare for the OB to deal with. And what if you have to have an emergency c/section? I would not want to be laboring with a baby in distress and the surgeon trying to get their way through those adhesions. It’s amazing what can be done these days, but it should not lead people into unrealistic expectations about taking risks with their health.
You can have up to 4 but that’s usually the limit. It just depends on the person. My daughter’s SIL had three and now has what is called a window in her uterus (a portion so thin you can see through the uterus). She was told she shouldn’t have any more children.
As I lay on the operating table before delivering my last child (number 4, third c-section), my doctor proclaimed my uterus to be “thin like paper”. With this, he advised that it be my final pregnancy. I later asked my GYN about the issue and he, on the contrary, said I had nothing to worry about it and that the uterus adapts differently to every pregnancy. Apparently, women pregnant with their first child have suffered from having windows in and/or thin their uterus just the same as women who have had 2 or more.
Like @Swack says, it all depends on the person.
Most doctors will try a vaginal birth if you gave ONE c-section anymore than that they will give you another csection since the risk of uterine rupture increases with each operation. It’s a small risk yes but when it happens it’s catastrophic we can lose baby and mom very quickly
My ob says 4 is the recommended limit. Of course, Ethel Kennedy had 8 or maybe 9.
I had my third c section a month ago. It was no picnic and the recovery has been harder after each one. My doctor will not perform vaginal birth after c section under any circumstances, just too risky, so I had no choice unless I wanted to change doctors.
There is a weird scar and the flesh above the incision makes a little pouch that won’t go away for several months. And my doctor won’t clear me to do anything other than take slow walks till six weeks have passed. I bet Kim is so vain she wants to avoid those things.
ETA: if she knows she has to have a hysterectomy why isn’t the c section already scheduled? Why go through double trauma?
@ladyjane actually the most accurate measurment that we use to estimate the weight of the baby is the abdominal circumference. It’s not a guess there is a science to it. Can it be off a pound or two either way? Absolutely but they tend to be relatively accurate
I had four c-sections. I always shake my head when I hear about people’s “birth plans,” especially when they try to trick their doctor into doing things the parents’ way. My first was an emergency c-section (2 pound miracle baby born at 26 weeks), and the surgeon came in and told me to tell any future doctors “vertical incision.” When I got pregnant with my second we had moved out of state. My new doctor mentioned possible VBAC until I said, “My first surgeon told me to tell you ‘vertical incision.'” He blanched, wrote it across my medical chart in red, and said I wasn’t even allowed to go into labor.
By the time I had my fourth, the doctor had everyone guess the baby’s weight and then asked me what I thought. He said that he found moms were more accurate than any of the medical techniques. My guess was .4 ounces off.
Finally, I was told after my first baby that the limit should be 3 or 4 c-sections. When I had my fourth, my doctor came in to the recovery room and told me I was done because my scar tissue was starting to adhere to other organs. The next day he apologized – said he had spoken in the heat of the moment and would support our decision if we wanted more. We took his first reaction as the advice we should follow so stopped at four.
Agreed! In fact, if I had such horrible pregnancies as she supposedly does, I’d schedule a c-section AND hysterectomy so I’d never have to face the possibility of getting pregnant ever again.
Don’t you mean a tubal ligation? A hysterectomy would put you into menopause.
I did a tubal right after my third child. I delivered vaginally all three times. It’s a simple procedure through the belly button. You really shouldn’t schedule a c-section unless medically necessary.
Cass, actually a hysterectomy itself won’t put you into menopause as that is just the surgery to remove the uterus. I had a hysterectomy at 28 but was able to leave one ovary (everything else was removed) and I am menopause free. The removal of the ovaries together with the Fallopian tube is called salpingo-oophorectomy and there are many different variations of what can be removed. Unfortunately, I can thank endometriosis for knowing about all the different surgery options.
You can get a uterus only hysterectomy. I’m getting one on Dec 2. No more periods for me!
Thanks Dani – I assumed they took ovaries out with a hysterectomy.
Actually a hysterectomy is the removal of the uterus only, and the ovaries are left behind to prevent early menopause. An oophorectomy is removal of the ovaries, and puts you into menopause immediately. A hysterectomy with bilateral salpingo-oophorectomy is removal of the uterus, ovaries and Fallopian tubes.
Edit: Dani, I just saw your post….I think we posted at the same time. haha I’m sorry about the endometriosis. That is such a difficult condition to live with.
Yeah, but the term “hysterectomy” gets thrown around very loosely, so if one is uncertain about just what was removed, the operative note is the best way to be sure.
The baby could still turn. As far as delivering breech, it depends on how out of position the baby is. My sister’s third child was completely out of position and they didn’t know it (monitors were showing him as okay) until he mooned instead of crowned. She said that from the start it was by far the most painful of any of her labors. They did an emergency c-section. For her fourth, the doctors advised her against taking the risk and scheduled a c-section.
Is he Todd Cranes’ dad?
Good luck Kimbo!
It is impossible for her to not share her life on line. She is out of control. Is nothing sacred to her, this is her child. She’s been wrapped up in this reality world so long, I think she has it confused with her real life. Too much information Kim. Talk to your mother, husband, sisters, but stay offline and have your baby. OMG she’s exhausting.
To me, it sounds like someone in her camp is researching pregnancy complications and they are sending out press releases about them, one after one, every few weeks. Meanwhile, she’s jetting around, shopping, eating, looking fine, partying, etc…
Sorry, but I can’t but think that she’s having a perfectly comfortable pregnancy but that the family needs constant attention so they come up with little stories every few weeks. They even seem to be perfectly meted out. None of them are all that dangerous, none of them are particularly provable or require her to stay out of the pap limelight.
This family has become so D-list in their story-lines lately. Next it’s going to be fake cancer stories. I really do think they’ve become more pathetic.
Why not just get a c-section? Because it’s a major surgery with risks involved plus you get an epidural. If it’s not immediately necessary for my life or my baby’s I would never agree to someone sticking a needle in my back. The very idea makes me freak out.
The epidural was nothing compared to the HUGE contractions I could still feel through it right before I have birth. I was glad they were mostly blocked. Hats off to the ladies who go natural all the way.
OMG, epidurals scare the crap out of me. Whenever I need to get an injection or blood drawn, I start trembling at the thought of the needle, I don’t know what I would do if someone was coming at me with a needle to jab me in the back. I can understand her wanting to try a vaginal delivery (if that’s really what she wants) because, as you said, a c-section is major surgery. I realize that some people are able to function just fine after them, but I’m happy I didn’t have to go through that.
I hate needles too, but when you’re faced with no pain vs. the crippling pain of contractions, I couldn’t wait even a second longer for that epidural needle! 😀 Plus, it sounds way more daunting than it is – since it’s in your back, you probably won’t even see the needle, and it only feels like a tiny pinch when it goes in. Ah, childbirth!
That’s the thing, EEV, when I don’t see the needle I end up freaking out even more because I’m “anticipating” it and and I just start shaking like nobody’s business. I’m just happy that I’m done with the child-bearing at this point (I hope).
@princess, I HATE needles so much that with my first I wasn’t doing the epidural thing as I didn’t want a needle near the spine. That all went down the tubes after 10 hours of excruciating labor and I begged for it. As EEV said, it’s really not that bad. When I got the first one, they were just starting epidurals in childbirth as a pain control. But I can tell you that I had it with my other two children. It also helped I had them when my back was so sore nothing helped but epidural shots. I wasn’t as afraid of them. I still HATE needles and every time I had to get a cortisone shot my poor doctor had to make sure I was calmed down first.
People can have hugely different ideas about what freaks them out.
My friend had twins, and the 2nd one was transverse (sideways, impossible to deliver). Doctors had known this was going to be a problem, and had been arguing with her for weeks to get her to agree to a planned C-section, or even just a C-section for the 2nd baby after vaginally delivering the first one, but noooo, she was adamant that she was somehow going to be able to push the baby out sideways.
She wanted an epidural, so that wasn’t an issue, and let them insert a catheter when labour started. After delivering first baby successfully, she then let 6 separate docs try to turn the baby internally (hand all the way up past the cervix trying to catch a leg and pull the baby into the footling breech position). The first three were her main doctor, his boss, and a specialist. The last 3 were interns. The doctors basically said, “you’re being an idiot … while we wait for this to turn into an emergency where we over-rule you, do you mind if these guys practice on you?” And she was all “yeah, that’s fine, the more the merrier.”
Eventually she started bleeding pretty dramatically. They knocked her out and she had an emergency C-section under full anaesthetic. All up, she received 9 units of blood (the body holds 10).
I still can’t really figure out why she pushed it so far. She didn’t appear to have a fear as such … it was just some weird determination that the birth was going to exactly she wanted it to.
OMG, I just clenched so hard at that imagery. I can’t imagine so many hands fiddling around my bits.
OMG that is terrifying! Jeez. I’m having my 3rd c-section in 2 weeks and this thread is like reading a good horror story.
Ridiculous to take it that far! I hope she showed remorse and apologized to the medical staff.
Not to mention increasing the risk of infection to her and her baby-
Maybe she doesn’t want a c-section because the recovery time is longer and that will infringe upon her getting back to her daily pap strolls. Or she doesn’t want the scar interfering with future bikini shots, though Photoshop will take care of that. When it comes to breech delivery which can be very dangerous, the safety of baby and mom are the issue. Whatever it takes for both to make it through safely is the course that should be taken. I have so much cynicism when it comes to her and don’t believe anything she says though. Could this be just a build up to an already scheduled c-section so she gives birth on Thanksgiving giving her a holiday birth which just means more publicity?
C-sections now are called “bikini” cuts because they do a horizontal cut usually below the bikini line.
Yes. She’s setting up her fans for a last-resort-I-really-wanted-to-push already-scheduled C-section. This is Liar Liar Pants on Fire Kim Kardashian. She’s not even bothering to keep all her health claims consistent. There is simply no way that any doctor would go along with this idea of a vaginal birth if she really had all the problems she’s been claiming previously. And I also have trouble believing that she’s spending all the time it would take to do all the things she is claiming to be doing to turn the baby. She just isn’t that focused on anything but selfies and pap shots.
Once again, Kim just had her beleaguered assistants research every possible way women try to make a breech baby turn before birth, and then claimed ALL of them for herself. The only time she might do any of it would be for the show, with cameras running. No cameras, no breech turning rituals.
yes!!! ^this^ Can you imagine being her assistant? What a nightmare job! Hope they and the nannies and the housekeepers and the diaper changers, butt wipers are paid well! Cause we all know kk’s a nightmare to work for
I don’t know if I believe that she wants a vaginal birth, but I do wish health for her and her baby.
As for being breech, she should look into the hip circling or something that’s supposed to help it. I think there are certified teachers of the method, but it’s been so long that I saw a video about it on youtube that I’ve forgotten.
Kim Kardashian West, I know you read blogs about yourself and Celebitchy is the best. Please read this post and look into the hip circling/breathing method for turning your baby.
(A little graphic, sorry). I have a much greater fear of c-sections than natural delivery. My first was a c-section and I had a panic attack on the table. It was and still is the only surgery I’ve had and only panic attack. The first time I saw my son I vomited everywhere, while my arms were still strapped down. Took my heart rate 3 hours to come down to normal (was about 200bpm) Terrible. Had a vbac with my daughter and it was night and day.
I’m all for every woman doing it how she wants in conjunction with what baby needs, but I can definitely believe she’s scared of a csection.
Oh god, that would probably be me. I have a terrible phobia of medical instruments (not hospitals or surgery but medical instruments specifically, I even hate the little mirror the dentist uses). I can’t look at them for too long, I break out in a sweat, start shaking and so on. So while I’m not planning on ever getting pregnant (I agree with Kaiser, how do so many women even do it?), I would either have to be knocked out during the C-section (my mom tells blissful stories of her two, she never even had a contraction) or deliver vaginally. Which … I mean NONE of that sounds delightful, exactly. But surgery would send me into a raging panic, that’s for sure.
No one ever talks about the fear women have of pregnancy and child birth. But it does seem there are a lot of women who are so fearful of it that they just choose not to have children. I have been horrified of pregnancy and labor since I was a kid and still am. It’s the reason I don’t want to have kids. It’s an honest true fear many women have. Some are able to cope and just deal with it while others are horrified of just the thought of it. As women we are taught it’s natural and we shouldn’t be scared of it…but damn no thanks !
This is me. I won’t say that I don’t get wigged out about the idea of pushing a whole baby out, but the idea of getting my midsection completely sliced open REALLY wigs me out. If I were told my baby were breech I’d be trying to turn him too!
200 bpm does not sound like a panic attack. It sounds like an adverse reaction to the medications for anesthesia. Maybe better look into that one a little more-
Yes, definitely report a possible problem with prior anesthesia if asked. Personal and family history is often all they have to go on in trying to predict it, even though they have much better ways to monitor anesthesia during surgery today and so can better tell if the drug isn’t clearing at the expected rate (buildup = not good). Any anesthesia is still a risk for humans and other animals (hence don’t be too quick to put your dog or cat under unless really necessary and avoid unnecessary procedures yourself that require anesthesia).
I thought she loved her big fat ass. Why does she always have a coat on hiding it now? It’s it sliding around on it’s own volition?
Her stomach is up so high it must be hard to breathe. I’m getting indigestion just looking at her. Don’t miss those days at all.
Right? I had reflux SO BAD anything I ate made me uncomfortable.
I remember having to raise my arms straight into the air to kind of sort of get a decent breath. I had a nine pound baby, and I carried her high.
That works?! Why did I not think of that? Those last few weeks feel like I’m going oxygen free.
Pregnancy and child birth scare the hell out of me. Something that is so natural shouldn’t be difficult. It’s not fair how easy guys have it lol.
I carried my third child high and breathing was a bit difficult.
That baby could turn at the last moment. I still don’t believe she has placenta accreta as that would make her pregnancy high risk also (from all I read) and the doctors would not allow her to travel and be on possible bed rest by now. If she had placenta accreta with North, she would have had the hysterectomy then. I just wish she would be real with herself and admit she wants the c-section and wants it early. Just saying,
The chance that the baby could or would turn at the last moment is extremely low (like less than 5%). Drs also prefer not to wait until the last moment to perform a c sec because a woman who is already in labor has a higher risk of complications during her cs than a woman who has a cs not in labor.
I had a cs because my daughter was frank breech and comments like these (“baby might still turn! Do what you can to avoid the cs!”) drove me nuts.
I get it, I’ve had daughters deal with babies not turning, c-sections once in labor, vbacs, etc. I get the doctors don’t like to wait. I’m sure she was not told the baby should turn by 32 weeks. And sorry it upsets you but the baby can still turn.
I had an acreta. Due to all the complications I ended up staying in the hospital two weeks prior to her birth and I wasn’t allowed to get out of bed unless I was going to the bathroom or taking a QUICK shower. All of these precautions were because my water broke at 30 weeks and the perinatologist was concerned I might begin hemorraghing at any moment after that. Then my daughter had to be born 7 and half weeks early because it wasn’t safe for us to wait any longer.
In some instances they are able to salvage the uterus with an acreta but it is very dangerous and the mother would lose a lot of blood. Also, she’d be pretty much gauranteed to have an acreta in any future pregnancies.
The hospital was on high alert for little old me. OR constantly prepped, my blood type always in the room, several departments would do twelve hour updates on my status. I’m sure if Kim had an acreta she would get that and much more.
Any doctor that is good doesn’t fuck around with acretas. They are very dangerous and sometimes fatal.
“I hate the pressure on women to have these horrific birth stories.”
Well said. I roll my eyes each time I hear a woman brag (yes, they are bragging) about being in labor for 2,934 hours or about the unique, excruciating, pain they felt while going or attempting to go natural. When I was pregnant I received all of these unsolicited birth stories that came across as exaggerating and some even sounded genuine but were lost in the woe me but in a humble brag way. Some of them would shoot me a look of disappointment when I would tell them that I had a predictable birth and that I wasn’t even checked in my room when I was already talking about an epidural. And you know what? I couldn’t be happier about my outcome. I don’t have to prove anything to anyone. I had a healthy baby and that’s all I could have asked for.
I can’t stand the crazy birth stories either. I wonder if it’s an American thing? My mom and MIL are both European and my mother never said a whole lot about her deliveries (and she had four, all vaginal and 3 without any epidural) until I got pregnant. Then she basically just said “I had a pretty easy time of things. So did your grandmother, and gave me a quick summary of how long she’d been in labor for each of us”. My MIL only had one kid, also totally “natural” (vaginal, no drugs) and her comment is “I don’t see what all the fuss was about”.
I think honestly it’s a little mean to your kids to bang on about how epic the process of bringing them into the world was. I would feel kind of bad about it if I thought my mother had nearly died delivering me. I think it’s good to be frank about things that CAN happen during pregnancy/delivery and I appreciate that Kim is not all “I’m a glowing womanly goddess, whoo!”, but at the same time….moderation in all things!
It’s funny because up thread, they’ve already started with the horror stories. One even commented that she’s close to giving birth and now she’s scared. Mission accomplished for them, I guess.
Yeah, I do thing it’s an American thing.
@ Guest1
Those are true stories of their own personal experiences with pregnancy and labour. I think women should hear all stories, good and bad. You can’t go into pregnancy thinking it’s easy breazy like Kim did and then getting the shock of your life…but you also can’t go into it expecting the worse. You need a balance and a dose of reality.
@me – I had a friend who had a tough delivery and a rougher first month with her little guy, and her only comment on the process was that she wished moms had told her how difficult labour and transition to motherhood are. She wished for that balanced approach. She either heard extreme horror stories or white washed perfect stories.
Agreed. Labor is the last hour to hour 1/2 of delivering the baby. All the rest is the lead up to labor. My dad is an OB and they consider labor when contractions are a minute or less apart. No doctor would allow a woman to be in active labor for hours and hours.
Uh, no. You can be in prodromal labor for days, and you can be in active labor for many many hours. What you are referring to is transition, i.e., pushing is imminent.
Uh… yeah, I’ve been through it so I think I know what I’m talking about, but thanks.
Out of curiosity, who exactly thinks that labor and delivery is a walk in the park? Who are these naive women you speak of? I think a large consensus would suggest that women believe it to be very painful and scary which is why a lot of women who opt for pain relief are shamed for it. If these women really believe that sharing their unsolicited horror birth stories are going to give a dose of reality to these soon to be moms then I thinks it’s them who need the reality check. Perhaps, they should remember how scary it was for them at their first go around and maybe they would think twice before placing the pain of birth on such a pedestal.
@L that was kind of my point. These women are exaggerating partly because their frame of mind was tainted due to the pain/stress and a few of them see it as a form of accomplishment that they were so strong. Technically, there’s nothing wrong with that until it’s used as a scare tactic.
@ Guest! – oh so I should take your word for it since you’ve “been through it”? Well so have the women talking about their “horror” stories. It is their experience and they have the right to tell it how it really was. Why does that bother you? Also, I have known women who have said their pregnancies and delivery were easy. Some women get lucky, some don’t. I don’t get why this upsets you?
The only one who seems upset is you. I merely mentioned that I didn’t have to be lectured as to giving birth because I’ve been through it and I have my own personal experience. My emphasis was on the unsolicited stories. In fact, I wrote that word at least three times. So if I wasn’t clear enough… stop sharing your UNSOLICITED birth stories!!
While you’re so busy replying to me, answer my question. Who are these women who supposedly are unaware of how painful and scary labor can be? These women with their over the top stories aren’t trying to help anyone. They’re merely trying to make their stories sound grandiose at the expense of scared first time mothers. You don’t like my opinion? Tough.
Actually, in a forum like this on a topic like this – all birth stories are solicited. It’s part of the discussion and quite relevant. People here aren’t randomly going up to pregnant women at the mall to regale them with tales of terror…
The irony in your comment is that you, too, are bragging about your birth, that you are so cool with it all that you wanted the epi – and it is a glorious relief from pain, I must agree – before you even got to your room.
Although I agree, the horror stories are unnecessary, but especially when mixed with the confidence that any similar situation is exactly like theirs and birthing women are selfish b’s….
Agree with Betsy. Take a seat here, Guest.
I guess i’m confused as to why we would think a pregnant woman wants a c-section over a vaginal delivery? I was all for c-sections before getting pregnant, and now all I can do is hope that Rosie comes out the right way and I can avoid one.
You can get a doctor to give you a guess on the weight, supposedly mine is 2.5ish pounds right now, so it’s not out of the ordinary to tell people how big your baby is in utero.
I dislike the woman, but the constant hate boner for her is tiresome. I do hope her baby turns, and all is well with her delivery, so at the very least CB will stop covering her for a while.
Right? C sections are major surgeries and there’s so much that can go wrong with any surgery. It’s not like tjey cut a nice little hole and baby pops out. If the baby is far down, they’re basically pulling the baby out with substantial force while you’re cut open and bleeding, and you can damage your ovaries. Ask me how I know. Of course the baby’s health is paramount, but trying to turn the baby hurts no one but her, so why snark on her for trying?
Totally agree. I don’t see what’s so hard to understand about someone not wanting a c-section. I’m neutral on Kim, but to assume she’s lying about not wanting a c-section is totally unfair. Regardless of who she is, at the end of the day she’s still pregnant and still has to give birth – and that’s still scary no matter how you look at it. If she doesn’t want surgery thrown in the mix, I completely understand and support her.
+1
Yeah why would anyone want a c-section? For Kim though, I bet it has more to do with her not wanting a c-section scar than anything. I mean, look who we’re talking about. I also don’t know how much of what she says I believe. She is a known liar. She loves attention and she hasn’t been getting much of it lately. She also needs to drum up some drama for her show. All in all I bet she’ll deliver the baby without a c-section and all will be well.
Totally agree! First people speculated she really even wanted to get pregnant since she had such a hard time. Then when she did, everyone said she must have a surrogate and was totally having a pillow pregnancy. Now that we can all agree this woman is clearly pregnant with complications we are doubting she wants a normal, healthy vaginal delivery? I’m not her biggest fan but it seems Kim cannot win no matter what she does with this pregnancy. Hoping for a healthy labor and a delivery for her and baby.
Chaucer- it’s not hate, but justifiable skepticism. Kim is a pathological liar. That is not an exaggeration. She lies about little things, big things, and in-between things. It’s a very unpleasant disorder for those around the person (I’ve had the misfortune of knowing one and being her target). Pathological liars lie about things other people wouldn’t and they make up things from whole cloth, without a bit of truth in it. Normal people often find this very hard to believe and keep treating the pathological person as “normal”, giving the person the benefit of the doubt when things start sounding odd and assuming there must be some truth to what the person is saying. But the doubt for a pathological liar’s stories should always be in the direction of not believing a word they say unless verified by a reliable source. Pathological liars like Kim are not harmless at all. They cause real damage to others affected by their lies.
We simply can’t assume Kim is telling the truth about anything, because she lies so easily and so often and her stories are often inconsistent. She says whatever she thinks will smooth her way or promote a particular image. This is way beyond what normal people might do, even though they might not adhere strictly to the truth. Even Kim’s family has complained about her lying on camera.
Yes, totally agree. I have had pathological liars in my life as well. They are now cut out of my life thank God. They will make up ANY lie and spread it around as if it’s the truth. They don’t care about destroying lives. They only care about making themselves look good. They are horrible people.
Amen! I just got rid of my ‘best friend’. We were ‘sisters’, her word. She is such a liar, that I’m literally scared of her now. I feel like she wants to hurt me, but she is also too much of a coward.
While I would probably choose a vaginal birth against a c section (I’ve never had a kid, but in my head it seems like it would seem less scary), I can’t help but feel like this concern has more to do with how she will look in a bathing suit after her son is born than one really being “better” than the other.
The fact that her doctor is one of the only people who practices trying to deliver breech kids this way and that “they don’t even teach it anymore” makes me think that is for a reason. Plus it always makes me side eye when people talk about their late night research and “documentaries” they found.
This is exactly what I thought with that part about “they don’t even teach it anymore.” I think that would make me WANT to opt for the c-section as a safer option. That said, I have no problem believing someone wouldn’t want a c-section. It’s scary and a big recovery process. I just hope she’s getting good advice from her doctors.
Canada, Australia and the UK do teach it, and have advised that mothers be encouraged to attempt vaginal deliveries for breech babies as the first option, with C-sections if risk is presented during labour or delivery.
I have a couple of friends who are doctors, both of whom practiced in the US and Canada. Both had attended labour and delivery conventions in the States, and held ER positions in both countries and said the difference is the risk of being sued after a breech vaginal delivery is higher in the US than in the other countries.
Parents tend to be less litigious if a mom feels that you did everything you could, including major surgery, to keep her and her baby safe, and the onus is on the doctor to prove the vaginal delivery was the better option. Because c-sections tend to be seen as the option of greater commitment to safety, it is hard to argue that a vaginal delivery was the option that went the furthest for protection.
This is probably just more BS to get her publicity. No one has paid attention to her for a few weeks, time to trot out the old medical problems storyline.
I certainly hope everything is fine with her and the baby, but I just don’t ever believe anything she says.
She’s a moron. Says the wife of an ob/gyn. When shit goes wrong, it goes wrong fast.
Because Kim is a lying drama queen, she researches the net to find new symptoms to claim. I feel sorry for the baby, poor son of a liar.
Exactly!
I think it’s fine and reasonable for KK to try all the methods to get the baby to turn–I sure did when my baby was frank breech–but if the baby won’t turn head down, well, ultimately it is not the standard of care to vaginally deliver breech babies anymore FOR GOOD REASON. Moms who attempt to vaginally deliver breech babies are 4-5 times more likely to die in labor than moms whose babies are head down. Not to even mention the obvious chance that baby will perish or be severely injured due to being stuck in the birth canal due to his/her positioning. I get that some women are terrified of c sections beyond reason but it is nothing short of a life saving measure for mom and baby in this situation.
It’s not the standard of care in the US, largely due to the threat of litigation. And it’s been years since I had a breech baby, so I can’t recall, but I think frank breech is far safer than footling, and “stargazing” babies are terribly unsafe. It’s done in many other countries, though, under the right circumstances. My breech kid did need to be born surgically, and as much as I hated the surgery itself, I am glad that he was and could be delivered safely, but, lord, did I fight that surgery at the time!
Oh, for the love of God just have the baby already and shut up. I am so sick of hearing every detail about your pregnancy and private matters. it must be wonderful to believe that everyone on earth is waiting with baited breath to hear each teeny tiny detail of your life. She can’t go five minutes without complaining about something that how many women do every single day for centuries. Your family and close friends, if you still have any, presumably care. Speaking for strangers, I wish you and the baby all the best and a safe delivery, but please stop talking about it like you’re the only woman who was ever uncomfortable or ever had a troubled pregnancy or ever had a baby.
Amen!
@GNAT +1 The drama makes for good tv. No doubt this is all being documented by the E cameras.
It’s funny how “honest” she is being regarding her pregnancy problems, yet she still won’t admit to having multiple nose jobs or any procedures done to her body.
Oh, eyeroll all the way to Hells. Kim can’t go a day without creating drama that is all about HER.
There aren’t a lot of people who know how to turn a baby anymore. But for what it’s worth, my second was breech until one day before labor started. Sometimes all our tech just serves to make us worry more, rather than straight up prepare for the hell that’s coming. :p
I absolutely do not believe a word of this person’s mouth. First she announced she couldn’t get pregnant and than announced she was pregnant with help from a doctor and that he was due in late November or early December and than she suddenly changed the date to Christmas day because gee …why not? No one really knows the truth when she opens her mouth anyway. That kid will be here any day and she is just trying to get ahead of all her lies.
Again, all she reports is something else that is wrong with her pregnancy and how utterly dreadful it is. Not one word on how excited she is to welcome her baby into the world. Despite all her woe is me stories, here she is again dressed and made up like the queen she thinks she is. Her eyes are on that push prize diamond choker!
Amen. I feel badly that the kid is never going to read a quote of hers about how excited she is, or how much she’s looking forward to holding him, etc.
It’s the nanny who is looking forward to holding him…
Do they know yet if the spawn of satan is flesh or plastic?
C-sections are major abdominal surgery. I’ve had two emergency ones. I have permanent bladder issues from my last one. I had MRSA after my first one that lasted for months and kept me in the hospital on IV antbx. I had a kidney infection that took months to die after my last one (from being catheterized). All the infection issues caused major problems with breastfeeding. I was also overly numbed during my last one and my oxygen level dipped to the 80s, and I also puked on the table while being unable to take a deep breath. I had to be deep suctioned to avoid aspiration. I don’t blame her one bit for trying to avoid all the risks that come with opting for surgery. Sure, if it ends up being impossible and the baby won’t turn, then yes, schedule it (much safer than emergency ones). But I don’t think it’s crazy to avoid a major surgery if possible. She is also probably trying to keep her uterus intact for future choices, even if she feels done with pregnancy at the moment, because accreta puts her at such risk of losing it anyway.
I delivered breech twins vaginally 2 years ago. My doctor was in his mid 30s. They teach it in gyno school. Yeah it wasn’t super “pleasent” but that’s what the epidural and keigals are for lol
I had a vaginal breech birth too – 9 years ago. She came out teeny little bottom first. To be fair she only weighed 2lbs so she came out a hell of a lot easier than I would imagine KK’s 7lber plus would.
Yes, I have trouble believing they don’t even teach how to deal with breech anymore. What in the world would happen in an emergency outside a hospital with no fast access to one?!? They have to know something about it even if they usually recommend surgery as the safest option.
I also had a vaginal breech birth and also had a room full of junior doctors and nurses observing. My doctor was keen for all the observers in the room as they have to witness so many breech deliveries and there are not that many done anymore.
I was very scared as everyone just presumed that I should have a c section and enjoyed giving me their advice, but my doctor was very confident that I don’t need a c section and that a vaginal birth was the way to go. I had no trouble in the end with this delivery.
Can anyone else see the outline of something other than a normal pregnant belly under that dress? I’m still so suspicious this is a fake pregnancy. I can see the side of something – not sure if fake belly or what? Maybe the coats hide the straps for the prosthetic??
She’s a drama queen. Her pregnancy isn’t getting her enough attention so she has to catastrophize the entire thing. And hte part about doctors not training anymore…give me break. She just wants the baby out early, like the last one. It’s all vanity.
Is it even early, though? I think she lied about the due date. She needs him to come “early” to back up all her false medical claims.
um, they turn over and over in the last weeks before birth. Sometimes several times a day! so….
Not for everyone. Most women’s babies are in the same general presentation for the last few weeks, although they’re certainly wiggling around!
She doesn’t want a big ole scar stretching across her belly for her next bikini photo opps – or her next attempt to ‘break the internet’. She can always get her vagina surgically tightened if she gives birth vaginally. Bet she’s got a plastic surgeon gowned in her room so she can do both at the same time.
The other problem I have with celebs discussing their birthing etc. is that then, other women waltz into their doctor’s office and say things like, ” well, Kim K said is was ok to try to give birth vaginally to a breech baby, so why can’t I try!” People need to listen to the medical professionals. They can’t control every aspect of their lives!
I was expecting twins and the first baby was breech. I was induced, the labour lasted 9 hours and both of my boys were fine. There was never any indication from the midwife that a c-section was being considered. I guess I was just lucky.
So, I had a a C-section with my twins. Then I got pregnant again when the twins were 1. My doc was all in for a V-Bac. At 38 weeks, the scans showed the baby was going to be over 7 pounds, and the OB wanted him out sooner to avoid any complications during the V-Bac, so she wanted to induce. Surprise, he ended up being breech. So I had the ECV done the Friday before my Monday inducement. I delivered a 8 pound 9 oz baby V-Bac 20 months after a C-Section. Regular delivery is a breeze compared to a C-Section. The ECV was nothing, just the doctor and midwife manipulating him around. Took like 15 minutes and he was good to go. Just had to hope he wouldn’t flip back over the weekend waiting for delivery.
Wow how do you have time for anything with twins and then another baby just a year later ?! That’s amazing. I don’t know how some women do it. I couldn’t.
I do not think fear of childbirth to be exclusively American. And there are weird horror stories everywhere, we aren’t the only country to have dramatic childbirths. My French grandmother gave birth to my French father in the French hospital elevator. He started crowning and everybody was like whaaaaaat because he came unexpectedly early, there wasn’t much time to get the doctor and this was back in the 1950s. So it’s not a walk in the park in other countries!
The fear is not baseless, even today. A colleague died during childbirth in a hospital a few years ago, despite the best medical care. She lived in Paris and was otherwise in good health, but it was known to be a high risk pregnancy. Can’t remember if she told us the details earlier. Her doctor told her not to travel at all past a certain point so she would be near the Parisian hospital ready to deal with it. It was her third child. The baby was fine, but they couldn’t save her despite best efforts and advance planning.
So I’m hoping Liar Liar Pants on Fire Kimmie and Kanye’s heir get through it all okay. Anything can happen, even to liars and drama queens.
I’m a nursing student and am doing my ob rotation right now. I recently saw a c-section and it looked just as painful as vaginal, honestly. They really have to stretch the skin and muscles really hard, so I can’t imagine that is pleasant feeling after all the anesthesia/analgesia wears off. Vaginal deliveries are terrifying too. Just watching those occur is an effective form of birth control!
I’ve only had one of each, but, yes, I found the c-section far, far more unpleasant, both during and during recovery.
As if the general thinking public believe anything that rolls out of this kamp. Nope. Never truthful.
Is it horrible that I think she just wants to have the baby on Christmas and isn’t saying that straight out?
cause I read a blind about that, it has to be her. if so, ugh.
When the hospital asked me about my birth plan, I told them I had no plan. I was fully aware that I couldn’t predict how the birth would go and just wanted my baby here safely, even if it meant pulling him out via my nose. I ended up having a planned c-section (I’ll never know what labor feels like, strangely enough!) and to my surprise recovered remarkably well (everyone told me to get moving ASAP and they were right). I’d seen too many friends disappointed with how their ‘birth plan’ didn’t go as planned and didn’t want to go down that road.
Haha I laugh about birth plans. I was kind of blissfully oblivious and went to the hospital in my dress and undies, no PJs, no suitcase, not even a baby bag if I remember correctly. Of course, that was the first baby….Other people helped and it all worked out. My labor was neck-and-neck with another woman who was delivering a 10-pounder. I pity what my poor midwife must have gone through! Anyway, my girl was out in time for cocktail hour, and she’s 21 now.
And like Angelina Jolie, YES I am enjoying menopause, another haha!
The best laid plans can go awry in a split second. After a problem-free pregnancy, my stepdaughter had to have an emergency c-section last week after it was discovered her baby was aspirating mecomium when her water broke. The baby was deprived of oxygen due to mecomium in her lungs and only lived for four days after she was born.
My philosophy was ” one path of destruction.” If I have to blow out my vagina for the first one, I didn’t want to cut my stomach the second time around and vice versa. But hey I’m just a middle class chick from the sticks, def not a Hollywooder lol.
Hopefully it all works out as it should and the baby is healthy. It’s a baby and she is the mother. Can’t hate on this story.
I don’t believe anything this woman says she’s trying to come up with a new storyline since everyone is still talking about Khloe and Lamar . She’s setting it up because she lied about her due date in the first place she’s going to have a c section so she can have a tummy tuck and lose weight so she won’t come off a shallow she just wants sympathy
Can anyone just explain the mugwort on the toe thing? I know about mugwort and have some myself. But I never heard of the toe thing. I think she is trolling us.
Acupuncturists have an herb called air ye ( moxibustion ) that will turn a breech baby. Also check out spinning babies.com
her writing skills could use some improvement.
My hairdresser recently told me one of her birthing stories where things happened rather suddenly and she went to the hospital saying that she was fairly sure there was something ‘down there’. (I suppose different from what perhaps was expected?) And they got her in and sure enough – there was a little foot sticking out. Something about the way she told the story really creeped me out a bit.
As for that moxy stuff – I don’t know about turning breech babies but when you burn it on the accu. points – damn, it does wonders for my keeping my body temperatures regulated and normal and healthy.
I was born breech (at a military hospital), and have had hip problems all my life because the Dr. dislocated my leg pulling me out. My mom doesn’t know why they didn’t give her the option for a c-section, especially since I was eight and a half pounds at birth!
Wow. This really proves she is a damn liar. Either she’s lying about attempting or even thinking of a vaginal delivery OR she’s lying about accreta. Accreta scares the shit out of doctors. Having it twice is enough for even the most level headed ob to schedule a section with a gyn oncologist to assist with a complete hysterectomy. I can assure you that no modern medical pro would EVER attempt to vag birth in that situation. Kim is a vile, vapid idiot. Anyone who has worked in obstetrics for any amount of time would understand how much of a liar she is.
I do not have children. But I really feel like the comments here are awful. Yes, the Kardashian crew is awful. Yes, they embellish and lie and manipulate. When it comes
To childbirth you just don’t comment on it. To say she’s lying is horrible. To say “if her hoo ha is big enough for an arm delivery should be easy” is uninformed. There is no “easy” way to push a human out of your body. A C-section literally cuts through your stomach muscles, not the easy way out. Vaginal delivery can rip you end to end.
So she would rather risk her baby’s health and well-being and possibly his life? She’s really got her priorities straight.
LOl my fourth child, who weighed in at 8.5 lbs at birth was breech. Our C-section was schedule for Friday morning. On Thursday night, my entire stomach topsy turvyed(Yes, grammar police, I know this is not a word), and when we went in for the C-section, they listened for the heartbeat and told me he was now head down. They induced me instead as they told me if he turned once, he could turn again. She is miserable(I was too during all 4 pregnancies) but she loves the attention it brings. I just wanted the 40 weeks over and done with and to have the baby. I never understood women who love being pregnant. I love my boys, but, I hated every moment of being pregnant.
Since when are ob/gyn’s not taught about breech births anymore? That part of their education just tossed out the window?
Bullshit. And a slap in the face of ob’s who have worked hard for their education.
Actually, ob/gyns are often not taught breech births, because they are so rarely allowed by hospitals due to liability concerns. Sad but true.