Johnny Depp friend Doug Stanhope has written a “guest column” for The Wrap about how Amber Heard is a manipulative bitch and Johnny Depp is the real victim in this situation. It’s almost as if one of the richest actors in Hollywood is paying for a sustained PR campaign to discredit his estranged wife in the court of public opinion, right? How shocking. And how shocking that the bulk of Doug Stanhope’s claims about the Depp-Heard marriage come from conversations he had with Johnny Depp. Stanhope claims that DEPP told him that Amber Heard was “threatening to lie about him publicly in any and every possible duplicitous way if he didn’t agree to her terms.” Stanhope claims Amber was threatening to blackmail Johnny and that he (Stanhope) feels like crap because he’s seeing Amber’s plot unfold. Here’s the thing though: blackmail only works if you withhold the information for a price. If Amber was blackmailing Johnny for financial gain, she would have stayed quiet and negotiated behind the scenes. So, you can read the full guest-column here. Some relevant portions:
[My girlfriend] Bingo and I were at Johnny’s house for most of that Saturday until just before the alleged assault. We assumed initially that his dour mood was because of his mother’s death the day before. But he opened up in the most vulnerable of ways that it was not only his mother, but that Amber was now going to leave him, threatening to lie about him publicly in any and every possible duplicitous way if he didn’t agree to her terms. Blackmail is what I would imagine other people might put it, including the manner in which he is now being vilified.
Bingo and I together, and then separately, told him how much we were aware of this manipulative a–hole, how his closest circle had all agreed on this since the day we met and that we all feared that telling him outright might alienate us all. Love makes you do funny things. I told him the truth and I half-expected to be asked to leave. But I wasn’t seeing Johnny Depp. I saw a naked Emperor. And we told him to get dressed. Other people came in and out during the afternoon, all verifying that we’d been cowardly, saying things only behind his back for so long. He seemed dumbstruck that nobody had ever come clean about this and he thanked everyone for being honest. He still pronounced his love for Amber but was presciently aware that she was going to pull off some kind of ruse to f— him over. He hadn’t slept in days with anxiety. You’d call him a paranoid if you didn’t know better. But he knew better and he was right.
Abusing women is bulls—. Johnny doesn’t abuse anyone. And he told me that day ahead of time that she’d pull some kind of s— like this. Johnny Depp got used, manipulated, set up and made to look like an a–hole. And he saw it coming and didn’t or couldn’t do anything to stop it.
O RLY? Oh, so Johnny Depp told you that his crazy, manipulative wife was going to claim that she was abused and man, isn’t that such a drag? Did it literally never occur to Doug Stanhope that Depp thought Amber might say she was abused because HE ABUSED HER? And domestic abusers – and addicts too, if we’re making a VENN diagram – always think of themselves as the real victims. They always have a “reason” for the things they do, and it’s never their fault. Crazy wife, man, I had to smash her face with a phone. She just wouldn’t listen, right? Why is she still hanging around with her female friends, I told her not to and so it’s not my fault when I pull her hair and hit her.
Also, Amber was photographed smiling and looking tired but happy after an hours-long meeting with her lawyer yesterday. Page Six says she could get as much as $20 million in the divorce settlement.
Amber Heard was all smiles as she hugged a friend one day after getting a restraining order against Johnny Depp https://t.co/TBsBvDzw9C
— Us Weekly (@usweekly) May 30, 2016
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Well, it’s well documented that he has an awful temper and clearly no connection between controlling his rage and anger. Maybe he doesn’t go and obviously drag down and beat people, but being destructive to rooms, throwing crap in rage when someone else is present qualifies as abuse. Let’s not forget emotional abuse as well.
You’re right. Blind iten had smth about when he was with kate moss.
Notice that while his first wife and Paradis have come out in support of him, Kate and Winona’s silence speaks volumes.
Perhaps wife #1 and Paradis were legal pressed to defend him to maintain some type of monetary benefit.
I really wish Amber had filed a police report last Saturday night. It would be harder for Johnny to smear her if the police had taken eyewitness testimony on the spot, called in the security team to give statements, taken photos of smashed items, etc.
I have zero faith in police anymore, especially in LA since OJ and Nicole and Ron Goldman. Cops in LA especially, for women, seems pointless.
Did he throw a phone at her in a rage. I think so.
Did he mean too hurt her? Doesn’t matter he hit her.
Was he drunk, grieving his Mom, jealous, a bit unhinged probably.
Can he throw things at people and hit them NO.
Does he abuse her regularly? Probably not, Does he Beat her? most likely not
Is he guilty of assault yes because when you do something that causes harm
to someone in a fit of anger you are GUILTY. No excuses for it.
Johnny, admit you did this, say you are sorry, go to rehab, take anger management
and get a divorce.
Meija , ambers story is that it has been happening for just about the whole time. Not sure why you’d doubt that?
He also has assaulted photographers and a security guard. Marlon Brando actually became worried about his downward spiral at the time and was part of getting help for him. How quickly we forget. Something that hasn’t even been mentioned in these fluff pieces.
I was thinking this yesterday. I recall a story that Johnny told himself about chasing a photographer down the street with a plank of wood after he tried to photograph a then pregnant Vanessa Paradis.
Marilyn Manson needs to step up and tell how before they were married Johnny was hiding from her, at Marilyn’s place and Marilyn begged Johnny not to marry her, Amber was calling all around looking for him demanding people tell her where he was, and Johnny hid out for several weeks, until she finally tracked him down. Now that sounds like a real possessive man.
So Amber forced Johnny to marry her? Johnny married a woman that he felt the need to hide from? This makes no sense.
Depp was desperate to continue using. He had promised Heard he would stop and was trying to get in a few more days without her knowing. Manson was very much an enabler.
So it was more an addict off the wagon and a concerned fiancée trying to keep him sober and away from his skeevy friends?
KB, that sounds so sane. I doubt it was as simple as that. What kind of women end up in abusive relationships? The kind that will make themselves crazy trying to save her man.
Because you know all it takes is a good woman. ROFL. But then cry a little.
@Cindy Lou – Exactly. Thank you.
And hugs. I’ve been there, too. So much better out here.
Dude, your girlfriend’s name is Bingo. You have zero credibility here.
Ha!
Ha! Ha!
There was a dick who had a gal, and Bingo was her name-o
@Mary Simon. That gave me a good laugh!
That’s exactly where I stopped reading. Bingo was her name-o.
Agh, now I’ve got it stuck in my head 😂
You’re really criticising someone because their girlfriend goes by a nickname? Doesn’t that seem like a rather trivial point?
I don’t know… if I was trying to make a compelling statement for a friend I think I’d have said Amy – her real name – over such a silly nickname, you know? Sure, call her Bingo all you want, have friends and family use Bingo … but when you’re doing something that’s supposed to sound professional, Amy Bingaman sounds a lot more professional.
I get your point, I really do. But if that’s not what he normally calls her then it would sound inauthentic, and make the whole statement sound kind of fakey and rehearsed, when clearly his aim is to sound convincing and sincere. There’s really no winning that one.
I just think that there is a lot to unpack here, and to focus on something as trivial as using a nickname is to miss the larger point. It seems petty and small.
Given the subject matter and how many days we’ve all been at this, I personally appreciate the brief humor interlude.
Laughs – bring ’em, we need it.
My dog answered to lots of names but when I was speaking about her to anyone not in our family, I used her proper name. So they’d know I was talking about the dog and not my sister. Does that help explain where some of us are coming from with laughing at use of Bingo and in this circumstance especially?
Bingo!
–TheRealPinky
You all do know that these kind of statements are not spontaneous. The ex-wives, girlfriends – oh wait, none of those, friends, employees, hangers-on, etc. are solicited by Depp’s team and if they are not actually written by a PR expert, they are first approved and reviewed by his team of lawyers.
Bingo has been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder. her name wont be in the way of anything professional. thats not what anything in this story is about though anyway.
here is an article about Stanhope and quite a bit about Bingo:
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2015/sep/27/biker-baiting-rum-smoothies-and-magic-mushrooms-with-comic-doug-stanhope
I’m actually more intrigued with Stanhope after reading that article. Assisted his own mother in her suicide, seems like an interesting fellow
Now I know what he and Johnny have in common.
For the love of all that is holy, THANK YOU (and i’m not even religious).
This thing is gold. Poor Johnny and his friends…these people are all losers, some of them wealthy I know, but as human beings – losers! Wow.
I’m really proud of Winona, more than I already was, but did she ever dodge a massive bullet. Good for her!
Yeah Stanhope and Bingo have been on Howard Stern and talked about how much they party and party with Johnny and Amber
Lmao
delete
All this guy knows is the Depp doesn’t abuse him or Bingo. Period
Doug Stanhope is a standup comedian who is quite popular within comedian’s circles. You can attack away for getting involved in this blessed mess or making judgments on things he did not witness, but he is not the kind of guy to lie for a payout.
Truthie:…..yet he is the kind of friend who won’t tell the truth for fear of being put outside the circle, an admission in the article, and we are supposed to take his word that he is telling the truth when he has admitted he will say what he needs to stay in the circle?!?!
With friends like these…….
He can be telling the truth and making a statement that isn’t true at the same time. He might truly believe that Johnny would never hurt Amber and she’s a manipulative bitch, but he certainly seems to be wrong about Johnny never hurting Amber.
Amber can be a manipulative bitch and a domestic violence victim. He seems to think that if she’s a manipulative bitch she must be lying about everything.
I just feel like statements like this from friends carry very little weight. Of course they’re going to believe their friend. They might have seen little hints of abuse, but they’re going to dismiss and make excuses for those things rather than see them in the context of a longtime pattern of behaviour.
His words seem especially empty next to photos of a bruise that looks pretty unmistakable like the edge of a phone.
Great point, LAK.
I doubt he was paid or is even lying. But that doesn’t mean Johnny wasn’t lying to him. The fact of the matter is he still would have no idea what went on when Amber and Johnny were alone together. And he seems quite enamored with his dear friend Johhny. Like a freshman sitting with the seniors.
The fact that none of Johnny’s friends felt they could tell him their thoughts tells me he likes to surround himself with those types of people, the kind that are just grateful to be invited and don’t want to screw anything up and end the ride.
He should have stuck to what he personally knew about Depp and offered a character witness type of thing. This whole “attack the b*tch, let’s get her” thing is just so tired. “I know it’s true because my best friend Johnny Depp told me so!”
LOL!
Ok, lets for one second accept that this was a lie all along, and she and her friends helped her set this up and incriminate Johnny.
Why? What would she get out of it? She already lost the movie roles because she doesnt have him anymore. Let’s face it, she sucks as an actress and the only reason we paid any attention to her was because of him, and no public opinion about being a victim of abuse will make her a better actress. She won’t lose roles because of him, she will only stop getting roles that otherwise would be hers due to her marriage connections.
It makes no sense to lie. She could have stayed, she could have bought properties and jewelery with his money, she could have done a lot of things to ensure that she would get a better payday.
Devils advocate. There were reports they were living apart and that Johnny had been avoiding her for months. If she thought he was about to leave her, doing something big for attention/money makes a sort of twisted sense . If they had split up without rancor, she’d just go back to be another forgotten starlet within a week or two. She’s gotten more press in the last few days than she’s ever gotten. She’s the focus, people know her name, she’s not just being talked about like Johnny’s plus one now. If Johnny had paid up when she tried to get a settlement, then she would have gotten more money than she’d otherwise get. Which she’ll need to maintain some semblance of her lifestyle because her careers never going to pay for that. Either way, she’s in a better position than she’d of been in if he’d walked away.
+1
She loses either way.
Yes, she has all the press attention now – but negative press attention that will do her career and her life no favours at all. I don’t think this woman will ever work again in Hollywood and she will be known in those inner circles as the bad one who tried to bring down one of Hollywood’s top names. People love Depp and no one likes their heroes to be brought down.
The only other theory I have is that she lied because he said – I am only going to give you 1 Million for the year we were together – nothing more. That wouldn’t buy the lifestyle that she will want or that she has become used to over the past few years. But what price for possibly being ostracised from the very society she wants to belong to and being unemployable?
Hmm. If by “better position” you mean that her career is probably over and she’s being publicly trashed and vilified and is likely to be known as “that girl who accused Johnny” for the rest of her life…okay.
Her career was just picking up with the role in Aquaman, something she’s been working toward for more than a decade now. She may or may not have been able to leverage that into a more successful career before this, but now the chances are pretty slim.
How on earth is that better off?
But this piece by Stanhope says that Johnny said that Amber was leaving HIM. Not that he was leaving her. It’s bullshit. Something happened to her face, she had witnesses and Doug Stanhope is a hanger-on, counterjumping celebrity ass kisser. “I saw the Empereror naked”…Jesus Christ. That is almost as gag-worthy as the bodyguard who said “Boss, please”.
@MooHoo,
“The only other theory I have is that she lied because he said – I am only going to give you 1 Million for the year we were together – nothing more.”
In the court docs his lawyer actually complaints that there wasn’t even a meeting between both parts to discuss anything, that her requests are premature and that she is using the allegations to get money.
Considering this it seems more plausible that Amber decided to go public because right after the divorce request (her lawyer sent a letter to Depp’s Business lawyer saying she wanted the divorce, telling about the violence and how she wanted to deal with matters privately and that she didn’t went to the police because he had his film premiere on the next day) there was an immediate campaign against her character for asking a divorce after his mother died, how his family hated her and the wrongly dated photos suggesting how great she was after asking for the divorce (we didn’t know about the violence allegations at that point). Like Lainey’s post today suggests, “they forced her hand”.
I don’t understand why his team would let this happened, but considering his strong PR spin, I’m led to assume Depp didn’t tell them the truth, they didn’t know how much leverage she had and then they are full damage control? Could this be?
Also, if we are going “perfect Amy” rout, if was going to fuck with someone with Depp’s power I would find a way to get something like a black eye or something that involved blood. Not just a cell phone in the face, because it’s not dramatic enough for create a strong narrative. I would would also record fights.
And again, for a gold digger, she didn’t stay married for that long. It’s not like they live together 24/24h. She could’ve stay married and see him very little.
And lastly, if she was blackmailing him why didn’t he asked for the divorce right after that? It’s not like he isn’t the one with more power here, he can totally destroy her.
This exactly.
Even if you were to entertain this absurd Gone Girl notion, why would Amber fake such a small injury. If you are trying to win public support you at least have some bruised ribs, a split lip. Its such a ridiculous theory, I find it offensive to my intellegence that his apologists keep trying to push this.
@Miss S:
Well, if someone wanted to take advantage of what he’s known for, and get more $, because by California divorce law, claims of abuse will guarantee that, then it makes sense to not claim being beat up, but claim being hit by something he was throwing. Since, it’s something he’s known for doing: throwing things around and trashing property when he’s on a drunk rage.
I actually believe Amber. Just wanting to point that out related to the theory.
Didn’t she say she filmed some stuff? She should release it. It will help her case.
@Claire, she doesn’t accuse him of throwing her phone to her face, she accuses him of hitting her while holding the phone on his hand. Also, even if it is like you suggest , imagine she didn’t have any witnesses, would then all of this be enough to claim abuse with just a photo?
I read about the video proof, but I think it was on TMZ, so I’m not sure if it really exists:/
You don’t get more in a divorce if you’re abused, there is no law that says that in California. California is a no-fault state. She would have only gotten more money by keeping quiet and blackmailing him. Just saying.
@Whiskeyjack, I understand that. What I’m asking is why do all this if there is no pre-nup? Why not stay with him for longer and get more money? I would agree that maybe his team called her “Bluff” if her intention was to blackmail. But sorting things out in private is not exactly blackmail is it? I don’t see like that, but maybe I’m wrong.
@whiskeyjack: I saw something recently about California, prenuptial agreements and abuse. That’s what I was referring to.
I agree with you, miss S
My point was that she has nothing monetarily to gain from the abuse. I was answering more to what claire said about divorce in ca.
My perspective is that Amber got that TRO because she is afraid of JD. I think that because she has no more to gain, for being abused, in a divorce as some seem to think. As you said there is already no pre-nup. That’s why I believe her, and I certainly didn’t want to.
@claire
Well, first they don’t have a prenup so that’s a moot point. She was already sitting pretty having no prenup. If they had a child together and were fighting over custody abuse would matter one heck of a lot, but they don’t.
Both are entitled to 1/2 community assets. Those are assets acquired during the marriage only, she cannot touch his 400 million. If he made 30 million and she made 6 million, each are entitled to 18 million. If she wants the house its worth will be taken out of her half.
These abuse allegations are not helping her in any way, and a good divorce attorney would tell her that. That she has nothing to gain is pretty much why I tend to believe her.
Yeah, if it’s a lie—-SHE WASN’T GETTING ABUSED. Why didn’t she stay? And, also, why does she need to lie? There was no pre-nup.
The gold digger argument is a bit flawed for me because:
1) apparently Depp didn’t really provided for her, she benefited from a house and car and not much more than that and she gave her tax returns to the court along with the DV report (it’s in the doc)
2) she had the right for part of his money (no pre-nup like you wrote) so she could’ve stay married for a few more years, benefit from being with him, his Disney money and the opportunities most people think he gave her
So… why create all this drama and going after a big movie star with all the negative press she would likely get considering what people though of her since the beginning, when just by being with him she is cashing in and keeping a high profile? If there was a pre-nup it could’ve been a strategy, but there isn’t one. I’m not saying she didn’t care about the money, I’m just saying that I don’t see it as her only motivation. Power is an aphrodisiac, being associated with a mega star is good for the ego and she was 22 or 23 when she met him? I mean, I understand the appeal of JD from 2011.
Honestly it is a lose-lose situation either way. I’ve never watched anything she has been in, so I don’t know what her acting is like. These days Johnny is just coasting on reputation, his acting has been atrocious lately. But now her major press as been related to the dog situation in Australia and now the issues surrounding their relationship.
Being abused has never propelled anyone’s career. And I’ve seen many people claiming otherwise but the facts do not support that reality. Rhinanna was already famous before Brown attacked her. Pamela Anderson had already achieved the level of fame she was going to achieve before it was made public that Tommy Lee was abusing her.
She may not have had the ability to buy things with his money that way. Her reason for lying, if she is, would be money. Look at Ivana Trump, she said years ago Donald “brutally raped” her, her words not mine, but has now changed her story over the decades and she received a pretty good payout. Now this story is mostly dead and the guy is running for President. This may be the scenario she could be hoping for, she stops talking and gets some money for it.
Now after reading the TRO I am not sure I would say she is outright lying, but my opinion only is she is exaggerating a bit about this or at least making it seem in her favor. There are just a few things that don’t make a lot of sense to me, one being why she wouldn’t say what the discussion was about that enraged Johnny, and two the body guards just standing there. I know people think they would do what Johnny wants, but if he is in danger of committing a crime I just think they would pull him off. They don’t get paid if he is in jail or she has his money. I just feel it is more likely with the bodyguards standing there that this fight was a bit more mutual than she is letting on and that is why they didn’t step in. Just an opinion but she will have the chance to make her case.
Dear Johnny’s PR team. Trott out your minions slower. It’s currently looking too set up and anyone with half a brain can see through it.
There are a lot of less then half brained people out there who believe his PR crap.
Sadly that is so true
It’s true. Those who are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Amber are definitely in the minority outside of Celebitchy (and ONTD and Pajiba).
A huge number of people believed in in the teeth of the evidence before – this is just giving them the straws they needed to be happy clinging,
Depp was on the Graham Norton with JLaw a few weeks back, and it disturbed me a lot. I was genuinely excited to see him – he was a girlhood hero of mine – and he came across as brain damaged. Like Ozzy Osbourne, really, but worse. He is an addled mess. And this isn’t impossible to believe, and nor is the suggestion that he wasn’t this way with his first wife, nor Vanessa, because I don’t think he was using much when with them. I think he was with Kate Moss for well documented reasons, and I suspect Amber Heard is from the same partying mindset. And he is an older, substance abusing guy with a lot of demons. As the statement and the images make pretty damn clear.
also he has some friends who are supporting him and thrashing amber – i mean i get it depp is your friend but this support from pple like terry gilliam/rourke/bettany and this stanhope guy is just downright bullying. Maybe depp is right who knows but these pple coming onto twitter and defending him are not doing him any favours
Seriously. This is so obvious.
What happened to her bruise? She sure heals quick…..
Bruise is still pretty clearly there. Time to visit the optometrist?
A tiny little spec from that shiner she sported a few hours before.
Doesn’t explain how in less than 24 hours after her court show where she wore no make up, dressed like she was going to an Amish funeral, her bruise is all but gone………mysteriously appearing and disappearing at different locations on her face. Something is not right with this woman…….
I see it, too. The injury happened over a week ago now. If that sounds like superhuman healing powers to you, maybe you should visit a doctor. You might have blood/circulation problems.
I had a black eye last year and it didn’t go completely away for almost a month. Definitely it was still visible after a week.
I’m a Nurse @Amy and bruises can heal to a faint color within 3-4 days if its a less blood pooled bruise. Especially if a compress is applied. A serious bruise can begin to fade within a week. You’re making it sound like it takes weeks. Traumatic bruises can take longer but Ambers isn’t a traumatic bruise. Do you have a medical background Amy?
You are shooting yourself in the foot Palar. If it was fake, it would have been more dramatic to begin with and lasted a long time. She is presumably an expert with cosmetics and you can put that stuff on so no one can get it off.
it’s like she can afford bb creme and makeup to cover the bruises…..fishy indeed…..
She wasn’t wearing any makeup.
Wow, it’s almost like bruises fade with time! How crazy would that be?
Bruises do not fade that quickly especially if you have very light skin as Amber does…….
That is simply not true. How bruises fade depends a lot on how an individual heals and what treatment one is doing. With consistent early application of ice and keeping one’s head elevated even while sleeping, it is possible to minimize the pooling of blood which makes a bruise like this darken and spread.
Amy, you wouldnt happen to be on the payroll of a certain scarfy drug addled actor in the midst of a DV scandal, would you? Coz if not, he really should pay you for all this extra time and effort you are putting in to his defence.
It’s almost like she’s trying to heal the bruise and might even be dabbing a little makeup on to hide it! But, of course it’s a well known fact that you can’t do anything to speed the healing process, and everyone heals exactly the same. It’s also a fact that if you wear any makeup you put on a full face , never just a little bit on a certain area you’re trying to minimize.
@Amy asked you above but you never answered , do you have a medical background?
@Isabelle as a Nurse you should be really familiar with medical or traumatic signs and symptoms and that saying the bruise wasn’t the result of trauma is saying that it was the result of something medical. This is a traumatic bruise and I doubt an actual Nurse would make that mistake being hit is the definition of TRAUMA.
The average time for a bruise to completely fade is 10-14 days although the redness goes away in 2-4 days, and yes fair skinned people do have a tendency to show it show more. Could she be using makeup probably and that could make it seem less.
Considering he bashed her with the phone on the 21st, and that photo is from the 28th, I think it’s pretty damn fair to assume that bruises can partially heal in the span of a week.
It’s still there. In the exact same spot. In other photos from this series you can see it better. She may also have put make-up on it to cover it a bit. Also, there are creams that can clear up bruising amazingly. I got hit by a hockey ball in the face once, had a huge black eye and was given cream to reduce bruising. I put it on for a few hours and with a bit of make-up that same night you couldn’t see it. She is an actress, her face is fairly important to her!
Apparently some people don’t understand that you can dab concealer or bb cream over one area without doing full-face coverage.
You can definitely still see the bruising, though, if you look at the full-sized pics. Either some posters here are just looking at the thumbnails, or they don’t WANT to see the bruises, so they don’t.
I see it and it has been a week so it’s likely to have started to heal.
Bruises are amazing things.
Last Wednesday I hit my forehead on my car door. Aside from a red mark that lasted all of ten minutes before disappearing there was no other mark, bulge or bruise to suggest that I hit my head. The next day I awoke to find a bruise tracking all the way from where I hit my forehead into my eye socket. The bruise has faded with each day that has passed, and today, less than one week since I hit my head, all that remains is a faint yellow mark where the bruise was.
Amazing.
Even more amazing is that I have a bruise on my left leg that has currently been there for 2 weeks and is still wonderfully purple. My point? Each bruise reacts differently.
I have a PhD in Internet Bruise Photos – my forensic analysis concludes that this is a very commonly expected result after the length of time, the application of makeup, and the weight of an iPhone flung by an aging alcoholic.
You win today. Seriously. Best analysis ever and I am LMFAO. Thank you for trolling the trolls so expertly.
ahahha lols! where did you get that degree?????!!! You should also get a masters 😀
Hahah. Thank you! Bruisegate has gotten beyond ridiculous.
Brilliant.
Hahaha. Perfect comment is perfect.
@diamondgirl. Thank you for that laugh! It was truly needed! 😁😁😁😁😁
I was just about to exit this thread when I read your comment. THANK YOU.
For the past few days, this has seemed like a medical forensics and law forum instead of a GOSSIP site.
Headwounds heal really fast. There’s no place on the body that heals equally fast.
Get a cut and stitches? A week and you’ll see a scar, but barely any bruising anymore on many people. Assuming that she also wears make-up it isn’t strange at all.
Pineapple Juice is really good to help with vascular healing. I’m sure that Amber’s gotten that advice…the bromelin helps with healing bruises quicker than if you didn’t consume it.
I don’t know what to say about this Johnny & Amber situation anymore. I don’t know what o think. . from Ben Affleck’s nanny to Bill Cosby’s druggings….people are capable of a lot of evil and manipulation, and they will go to whatever lengths to cover things up…. I just don’t know what to think on the Depp situation anymore.
Yes – and when the police arrive that night, why did they not see the evidence on her face? I fainted in school once and my cheekbone got something like rug burn, it took 2 weeks to heal.
If there are witnesses to assaults he should do some time, hopefully it would wake him up.
She should get out of there forever with no $. Both parties need permanent restraining orders. She appears just like a film noire femme fatale who chose an older rich addict because he was an easy mark.
A rug burn is a abrasion of the skin surface (I know, I have gotten plenty on my knees – insert rimshot here) and presents entirely, completely differently than subcutaneous injury.
BTW, I’ll be here all week folks. Bring the kids.
Bruises don’t always show up right away. If her face was red and swollen from crying, then you’re not going to see the small amount of bruising she had until it darkens more and the rest of her face loses redness and puffiness from crying.
I know I’m un-coordinated, but I had no idea that there were THIS many people who’ve never had a bruise before. They take time to develop.
This is making me sick. This whole campaign. The fact that he abused her makes me sick. The fact that he is waging this campaign about how it’s her fault/he didn’t do it/if anything DID happen it’s because she’s a bisexual deviant and not his fault etc makes me sick.
I agree. I know it’s silly, but I just find all the stories coming out upsetting, and sad, and tacky. Im kind of thinking of giving this whole shebang a miss, not reading anything about it anymore, but that feels wrong too – we should be talking about DV, and there should be people around to defend Heard, but picking over this woman’s life, examining the bruises, deciding what’s seems authentic, what bits ring true…it’s just really sad. I find the stuff on Twitter people are saying so offensive and upsetting. I know I sound like a fragile wee flower, but there ya go.
EDIT: Just to clarify, by tacky I was referring to Depp’s barrage of defenders and his smear campaign, not the fact that it has come to light in general.
I have to agree with you, Lurker. I cringe at every one of these threads… but at the same time it’s so good that it’s getting the attention it is. DV needs to be discussed… and the reactions of some posters just show WHY victims don’t speak out.
What I find interesting is the people that are NOT coming out to defend him. This guy who wrote the Wrap op-ed is not someone we see him with a lot. I’m curious what his very close friends are saying.
And I notice none of his defenders are denying he has a substance abuse problem
You don’t know for a fact that either side is telling the truth. While it’s entirely possible that he did abuse her, it’s also not unheard of for a woman to injure herself, file fake police reports citing abuse, and even pressing false criminal charges.
I know this because I saw a family member go through the same thing. She was a liar and a thief, physically and very emotionally abusive and manipulative. Knowing he was innocent he went to the police after her first threats of “I’m going to hurt myself, call the cops, and have you charged with abuse”. The cops – thankfully – were understanding and provided some good advice to him and her games were put to a stop.
I’m not saying Depp is innocent – just that BOTH parties have a right to be heard in court and not simply judged on heresay.
Both sides do have a right to be heard in court and then judged by the legal system.
The court of public opinion is not a real court, and as a result I can form my own opinion, and apparently, so can you.
Also: cool story, bro. I’m still of the opinion that a woman injuring herself, filing fake police reports and pressing bogus charges is actually pretty unheard of, but hey, you do you.
Minimii: Here we go again.
You know what else isn’t unheard of? Spontaneous human combustion. It happens. Just not very often.
For everyone saying Amber could have totally faked everything, I’m still wondering what exactly she would gain from doing so. She can’t be so oblivious not to see the enormous power discrepancy between her and Johnny, or understand just how much clout he has.
I mean, if we’re going with the golddigger theory, that’s why she married him, right? His money and clout and how anything he wants done gets done. She had to at least vaguely know that the same power could be turned against her. If this is faked, it’s a very well thought out plan, and generally good planners don’t neglect to consider how others will react. She had to have known Johnny would call in all his considerable favors to take her down.
If this is a money ploy to wring out as much as possible, why not stay married? If she’s good enough to plan all this, she’s good enough to keep him married to her. If she’s really that manipulative and evil, why hasn’t she gone after something way better?
People are giving her way too much credit and way too little at the same time. As evil plans go, this is a pretty piddly one, so again, why?
@mini mii I totally agree with you on all points.
Friends should keep their opinions to themselves. Even if they know these people very well, their opinion is misleading and useless to say the least.
Friends often know just one side of the story and only people directly involved know what really goes down in a couple’s relationship.
Exactly! I can understand their desire to vouch for Johnny’s character. But to make judgement about the probability of Amber’s claims is just outrageous and could even backfire. What if it turns out that Amber has video recordings of Johnny’s assault? Vanessa, Doug et al will look like total fools then, defending an abuser. Lets be real, unless Johnny’s friends were there, they know as little as we do about what really went on between Amber and Johnny.
It’s possible what he’s saying is true–that all his friends hated her and thought she was a gold digger and that she was going to destroy his career somehow and that she was deliberately flaunting her relationships with women to taunt him and make him jealous–and also that Depp still assaulted her, playing right into her hands. No defense of Depp has yet proven Heard’s accounting is false. If she exploited his demons and used them against him, is he to be absolved of all culpability for his out of control behavior?
–TheRealPinky
I think everyone has been telling the truth here, or at least the truth as they see it. Johnny probably feels all “woe is me, everyone is picking on me”, his friends hated Amber, his exes don’t consider their relationships with him as abusive (at least in ways Amber is claiming), and he routinely raged out around and at Amber which culminated in the iPhone to her face.
None of these things are mutually exclusive. His friends wouldn’t necessarily have seen that side of him, his addictions might have lead to increasing deterioration of his rage and impulse control, Amber could have married him for personal gain, and he still threw a phone at her face, among other things.
I think it’s wonderful how Johnny has so many friends and fans and apparently they don’t care enough to pressure him to take care of himself, or even recognize that he is not well and need to take care of himself. Of course, if they did that they would be passing the idea that he isn’t that stable and therefore give Amber some points.
If he took care of himself he might not need many of those hanger on friends anymore and then where would they be?
@SusanneToo, True. That’s why big celebs fall into the abysm without anyone stopping them, if their “friends” challenge a celeb with power they can get into trouble. I actually find it hard to see a real friendship with this kind of power dynamic.
Do we believe Dicaprio’s friends wouldn’t protect him he if did something criminal? They wouldn’t even stop him! Being on the side of power can be quite appealing even if on the wrong side of decency.
This. A guy I’d known since high school was accused by his (now) ex of beating her when we were all about 30. Our whole friendship group had been really tight, we were always in each other’s homes and we all thought he was a really great guy. This was a politically progressive group, all avowed feminists. We couldn’t believe it. We had never seen anything like that. She never had bruises. She never hinted at any untoward. After fighting it for a few weeks and saying all the same stuff Depp’s PR has said (seriously almost nite for note) he admitted it, plead guilty and went and got counselling.
Friends and family don’t know Jack.
Yes. Unless you’re the fly on the wall that lives in the house with them, you have no idea of what goes on.
basically those rats defending johnny are like “i watched gone girl once, let me tell you about it…..”
That rambling canard from Stanhope was a misfire and only made Johnny look worse. The essay was childish and poorly written – he basically just called Amber names and made lame excuses for himself as to why he never warned his friend Johnny that she was an evil manipulator – my, what a convincing case he presented! Not.
If Johnny wants to call out character witnesses – he needs to do better than Mickey Rourke and this repulsive, unfunny clown Stanhope. Johnny’s pr campaign is obvious, desperate, comical, and failing.
dont forget terry gilliam and his tweets which are patronising – ” saying that she is a better actress than he first thought” / i mean really ?
What really drive me crazy about the Gone Girlers, they never once mention Nick was also a Sociopath but its always about Amy. Show the mentality of some of the people that read it.
The one take-away from GG was — everyone in it was a jerk(ette) in one way or another.
Their pr strategy is ridiculous, so agressive and violent. I might be wrong but if they carry on like that they might provoked the contrary of what they intented to do. Amber Heard is no angel that for sure, but painting her as some kind of psychopat bitch is going way to far. I’m glad they’re so obvious it’s easier for Heard.
Unfortunately, a lot of people are buying the spin. Reading the comments on other sites, a lot of people are painting her out to be this manipulative bitch, who scammed him and is blackmailing him for money. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that she’s a young, hot blond and she’s bisexual. Apparently that makes her a psychotic bitch.
God, Goldie, I didn’t even consider her sexuality but it certainly does play a part in public perception, doesn’t it? Angelina Jolie’s long-term relationship with Jenny is still lumped in with her brother kissing/homewrecking/what have you, like it was deviant or further proof of her evil, conniving ways.
The Madonna/whore complex is real, y’all. And this story just has so much of all the worst things about Hollywood… including, yes, the misogyny and homophobia and sex-shaming that allows men to stay powerful and untouchable.
It’s kind of an age-old situation. Someone in crisis doesn’t lay out a plan to boost their credibility; they lay it out to ensure their safety. Their mind is elsewhere. Unfortunately, it makes it easy for others to then pick that response apart. What she has going against her are the statements from police about not seeing bruises, that she didn’t give a report, that she didn’t mention the assault until after meeting with divorce attorneys and the news had come out that a claim of abuse would entitle her to more money. Those are all things that people are going to latch onto.
People who are familiar with abuse, or who have worked in that system, will understand her timeline but the general public is still woefully undereducated on DV.
Domestic abusers generally don’t brag about it to their friends. You nailed it on the head when talking about the victim mentality. I liked Andy Richter’s tweets about the situation.
Why is it everyone’s natural instinct to not believe women? The interesting thing about situations like this is that you and all of your friends suddenly become crazy. Suddenly all women are lying manipulators. It’s sad.
The answer to that question could fill a library, let alone a comment. I do think this is heavily compounded by the celebrity factor. He’s a beloved performer who gave us years of joy and visits hospitals dressed as a pirate. She? Is a bad “actress” and a nobody. People don’t believe her because they don’t want to believe her. Now if say, Sandra Bullock, had shown up at court with a bruise and said some semi-famous guy had hit her? I think the reaction would be very different. It’s sad but true.
I dont know about that. People seem to react very badly to women who defend themselves. So for instance, Rihanna didnt go after Chris Brown and so that the public saw a vulnerable unprotected female (think child) and they stepped in to fill that gap. I am pretty sure that had she gone on the offensive, the conversation would have flipped to “she instigated it and now she is crying about the consequences like a feminazi”.
Amber is fighting back, and since women exist only as Madonnas or Jezebel. And since Madonnas are passive childlike creatures then she must be a Jezebel. Attack!
I think Mia4s makes an excellent point — it really shows you that reputation and public image is everything, and it’s very telling of us –collectively – who we choose to believe. The Sandra Bullock comparison is a good one. We would believe Sandra, we would not believe Amber. We believe Tina, we do not believe Ike. We empathize with Sparkles, and Kristen is garbage. We sympathize with Katie, we think Tom is a control freak. We didn’t believe Denise, we listened to Charlie, only to find out later Denise was right. We forgive David even though he dragged Tea. Team Uma over Team Ethan. Team Jolie or Team Aniston…that one still causes arguments…. so much depends on the public image of these people, when in truth they may be horrible or amazing IRL.
Does anyone remember Lorena Bobbitt? She wasn’t famous until she was. When the story came out, who did you side with? Who do you think the public sided with?
Oh Rihanna would have been torn apart you’re right. But she also falls into that not a “good victim” club. I mean, how she dresses? Her music? Gasp, pearl clutch! It’s gross but that’s the excuse people look for. Also Brown had the fame on his side too and a brilliant PR crisis team. Gross but true.
People are weighing their options, oh if I believe him I can still love Jack Sparrow and just lose…wait what’s she been in again? People are concerned for themselves and not seeing real people behind this.
Yeah thats a great point. People want to preserve their happy memories of Depp and the easiest way to do that is to view him as the victim. I’m reminded of the Mel Gibson case, where the evidence was undeniable but still sites like TMZ were filled with comments like “oh well, nobody is perfect”.
Don’t forget folks, Rihanna’s case is a little different because the leak of her police photos also affected public perception. Before that, people didn’t realize that Brown tried to kill her.
women bashing is the Internet’s favorite sports. you have a lot of angtsy boys in their teens to twenties having it their mission to bash, mock, belittle women as much as possible. i browse reddit a lot. i’m there almost 24/7. the majority of users on that site are white american boys in their teens to twenties. you guess what kind of topic,comments get upvoted to the top. every threads with this topic, boys with zero knowledge on this case already having their mind setup that she is the witch and poor johnny is a victim.
Sadly, this also happens on quality press sites where commenters are allegedly grown men.
Pretty, “teens & 20s”?? If only it stopped there. You obviously don’t work with the middle aged men that I do. All married, some with kids, and you’d think they were all horny 16 year olds who couldn’t get a prom date the way they talk about women.
HER story doesn’t make sense. It’s inconsistent. The police said there was no crime commited, no evidence of any disruption and crime at the scene. Something just seems odd.
No, actually, that’s what a website claimed the cops said—-and these are LA cops, probably the worst in the country. Furthermore, bruises don’t form right away.
After the incident she went to her neighbor’s house, so we can assume the cops didn’t even saw her house. Also, it is common for victims, when confronted with the police to deny anything happened. She wasn’t bleeding, it wouldn’t be to difficult to tell them there was no reason for them to be there. Imagine you are married to one of the biggest actors in hollywood and you have to decide shortly after he hits you if you are going to tell the cops or not, also consider that if she told the cops what happened they would go after johnny when he had his film premiere on the next day.
I’m trying really hard to be rational about this, and honestly, I feel she is in a difficult position, but I understand what some people consider “odd” as part of the extraordinary circunstances of being famous and trying to deal with something like this considering angles and consequences most people never have to think about.
@bitchytrollop: The first photo to come out, the photo with her face all red from above her eyes to mostly down her cheek and over to her hairline – wasn’t that taken same evening? The cops should have seen that. That was early on, pre-bruising. So I don’t think ‘bruises take a while to form’ is the defense for that. I would imagine she either had to have hid it with hair or put makeup on before cops got there.
@Claire:If she wasn’t sure of how to proceed after the attack I guess it would be natural to hide it. She wasn’t bleeding, she could totally dismiss the police visit and make it look like it wasn’t a big thing.
I believe that his friends didn’t think well of Amber and thought Johnny was a fool for marrying a girl that young. They also couldn’t say anything about it, because duh.. it was too late and people never listen. Anyway Amber could be a manipulative a-ole but what’s really bugging me, besides the abuses, is how all of this it’s the fault of ‘Amber’s bisexuality’. Because you can’t trust bisexual people?? What the heck?
Why are people saying that? Is it proven that she was having an affair the whole marriage? I’ve seen a lot of talk about it. It sure supports people thinking this marriage was a farce and she was a gold digger, but until proven…. shame that bisexuality has to get a bad rap for that though. I hate when people can’t see individuals for individuals.
I don’t care about their cheating, if there ever was. My point is how they put the blame on her bisexuality. Just because you can like people of both sexes doesn’t mean you cheat. Somehow, I read about this a lot, guys are that insecure or uninformed.
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Yes and rightfully so. That was disgraceful.
The only thing that I don’t understand about this is why he would fight this? He has a networth of 400 mil.
Why didn’t his management team and lawyers advise him to give her what she wanted, since he will lose much more that 20 mil?
Control. Power. Public shame. Victim abuse.
If someone with 400 million and connections to the underworld (his drug connections) had it in for me I’d be very concerned.
Beccause HE thinks he is the victim. She’s the bad one. He wants everyone to see that. He’s distorted mentally and spiritually. He’s gone the Gibson/Sheen abuse route.
Yep, abusers always think that they are the victims. As much as it is about power and control, it is also about punishing her.
Of course she is the crazy one…and I hate media, and people saying “she is smiling”. FFS doesn’t she has the right to smile anymore ? A man abused her, but she is still there with her smile, go girl.
I don’t get that either. Like, she smiled for a brief second, therefor she’s lying?
How do people think that abuse victims learn to hide the transgressions of their abuser? They certainly don’t walk around looking disheveled and depressed all the time. They keep up the facade of “everything is great” by continuing on with their lives as usual and acting like nothing is wrong, even smiling.
She might be smiling in that picture but look at her eyes. They look so tired and sad.
So to those of you who are convinced he’s guilty, what kind of punishment would you like him to receive?
What is the typical punishment for domestic violence?
For a phone in the face and no prior convictions? My guess is a fine and court order to go to anger management or something. Can’t see him doing gaol time.
Typical punishment for DV is pretty much nothing – maybe a few hours of anger management training. Sometimes, after the victim is killed, there is some kind of punishment.
Jail time
I don’t know if he abused her or not. This is something for the police / court to find out. Also, I heard that there is a justice system in the States. They are the ones responsible for the punishment.
I know but we’re speculating here.
From my experience first time domestic violence offenders rarely go to jail unless the victim is seriously injured and the offender is charged with felony.If I had a say he would get probation so they can do random drug test.
Regardless of legal punishment, I think that it is important that this situation is out there. Even if some people will not believe Amber (I do believe her), this is going to follow him. That is a kind of justice, even if there is truly never enough justice for domestic violence victims. As I posted on another thread yesterday, and it really goes without saying, it is … I cannot even really explain how you can deal with it, process it, and move on. It is different for everyone. It’s been nearly 15 years since my last encounter with my father who abused both my mother and my siblings and myself. There will never be enough justice for what he did to us. There will never be enough compensation for the pain (physical and emotional) that Amber is going through. Even $20 million is not enough. And she has to deal with all of this in public – all the vitoriol and disbelief directed at her. Even non-famous women face vitoriol and disbelief and accusations for daring to suggest that some “upstanding” man abused them. So, no legal punishment available is going to be true justice and that speaks volumes for how women are treated in society and in the legal system.
He needs some serious therapy, at least.
I think he should have to attend a batterers’ support group and a year of anger management treatment, as Amber requested in her RO. Therapy and rehab would also be great. He *needs* treatment, therapy, and rehab for *himself*, not as a “punishment.”
So many people keep talking about how the bruise doesn’t look like it was from an iPhone. Are there like millions of pictures on the net of people’s faces after being hit by an iPhone. I feel like I’m missing some big thing that is happening around social media. Because all the people saying the bruise is inconsistent must have a frame of reference. I have never seen a bruise from an iPhone. But I don’t know anyone that has been hit by one. Guess I’m out of the loop.
Funny how many experts in the patterns of bruises and what an iPhone to the face would look like have turned up.
really? Because i did saw the square shape in her cheek…s tronger hit and we would have seen an iphone logo -.-
if he knew he was going to be set up, why didn’t he just NOT go see her? why not phone? he went there, lost his temper and were supposed to believe this is Amber’s fault. she doesn’t have to be an angel, she just has to be human to not deserve to be abused. having faults is not a reason that someone can abuse you and say they forced into it.
If his friend is telling the truth Johnny is a big idiot. From the moment she told him she was going to frame him he should’ve asked for the divorce and totally cut contact with her. Talk to his lawyers and play defensive. And if this happened some time ago, maybe he could’ve pay her very little and get done with it.
If I had that money I would also have a prenup and define before hand what my partner would get if a divorced occured. That’s just rich people’s common sense.
this whole media spin is so gross
poor Amber
“And we didn’t want to be thrown out of the circle for saying that The Emperor was being Stripped of His Clothes”
So in the linked article this guy said he and others saw the abuse JD suffered from AH and said nothing because they did not want to be thrown out of his circle? So he just admitted that he is in this for what he can get out of it, so how is this guy credible?
Seriously the pr tactics in this whole thing are sickening and just need to stop, the more team Depp try to paint Heard as some type of “Gone Girl” character the more respect I lose for Depp and the more inclined I am to believe he is an abuser, the media slam is making me think he is unhinged, also a fairly classic abuse tactic to make others doubt the abused.
My thoughts exactly !!!
Johnny Depp is such a caring and loving innocent dove that his “closest circle” can’t tell him that his new girlfriend is BIG trouble beacause they ‘all feared that telling him outright might alienate” them all. Wow, what an understanding sweet human being.
All this statement achieves is to make me even more wary of Johnny Depp.
I don’t know these two personally to pick a side. People have lied about abuse just as abusers lie. I just hope the truth comes out. If the allegations against Depp are false, I hope that this will propel him into getting help with his addiction.
Social media demands we try and convict but there’s nothing wrong in not taking sides.
Yes there is because not all the information has come out.Right now it is a he said she said.And also these are people we don’t even know.
This was the most ill-advised article ever!
Me thinks Amber has more receipts coming tomorrow…
I do so hope so because today there were more articles on tmz, people and daily mail trashing heard. but NO statement from winona ryder nor kate moss. their silence is deafening. his pr machine is working hard but does not get the right people in my eyes….
Just saw that Terry Gilliam retweeted that article with support for Depp. So disappointing.
You know how men have each other’s backs I would really like to see one day women do the same.
amen to that!
I don’t blindly support anyone based on their gender. Some men are arseholes and some women are arseholes – I just look for the decent, innocent people and like to see justice done.
Women often secretly hate each other. The media definitely pits us against one another and so does society. Attracting a man is still more important than other goals. So women view other women as competition, so we judge harshly and victim blame. Making the man look good, the woman evil.
Hear, hear, Sarah01! Hear, f**king hear! Thank you for saying it.
I do understand your point, but I honestly don’t think we should fall into this trap. I can support Amber because she has been an abuse/DV victim, not beause of her gender. To me, it’s a different subject talking about the competitivness among women, or a lack of solidarity between them.
I never realized how plain she was without make-up. Wow. But she also looks younger and fresher, probs because she got rid of that albatross around her neck.
You mean the 50 lbs of scarves that clung to her like a fading midlife crisis?
She looks lovely. We’re just so used to seeing makeup enhance features that women’s faces without it look “plain.”
THANK YOU
It’s funny, because I thought she looked more attractive without all the products on her face. Just a natural, fresh-faced young woman. To each her own, I suppose.
Good grief!
This is getting uglier by the second!
Have some dignity!
In this matter there are only losers,
and what little respect I might have had for Depp,
it`s totally washed away.
His daughter Lily Rose is now posting on Instagram in defense of him- saying he’s a loving and wonderful father, plus an excerpt from a People article detailing how police “saw no evidence of domestic abuse.” Getting your trying-to-be-famous teenage daughter to defend you on social media is…transparent. It’s natural that she would feel compelled to defend her parent, but taken along with all of these other impassioned defenses of Depp it’s a little too convenient.
I hope Amber gets everything she deserves, and I hope Depp does too.
Maybe she’s just defending her Dad.
Oh give her a break, its her dad. I sure would be distraught if my parent was accused of something like this and i am not a teenager. She is 17 and that is how they communicate they use social networks for everything. It doesn’t mean that he forced her to do that. Kids will always defend their parents. We should leave his kids alone.
+1,000,000
I’m waiting for people to start accusing Lily of lying for her dad like they did Vanessa or wondering why she won’t take Amber’s side.
I just feel for Depp’s kids so much. They’re victims n this as well.
Amen, Kitten. We all need to remember that and feel for them. I would expect nothing less than for his kids to defend their dad.
What a horrible thing to post.A daughter defending her father.What is wrong with that?You guy’s are taking this way to personal.
There’s a difference between defending him as a father (or a friend), and implying nothing happened by attaching an article in his defense.
Wow.. Well oiled disgusting PR Machine.
Methinks Mr. Depp knows something worse is coming along. This isn’t over.
He can’t be calling in all favors for a picture. Something is brewing. This is only the beginning.
Sorry about Amber’s situation though. It must be horrible.
Maybe it’s that video. or they could have some evidence of someone else from his past ready to say he was abusive to them. Thus all these past relationships saying he wasn’t to them. This could be his counter to something like that.
If I were Depp, regardless of what the true whole story is, I would just pay her off and have her sign a NDA. Situation over. $20 million is not that much money for this guy.
And then, if it was truly a setup, sue her for libel and extortion for the same amount of money.
My 2 cents.
“if it was truly a setup, sue her for libel and extortion” and this is why I tend to believe her, it would be too risky to accuse someone like Depp without enough evidence. The public court pretty much trashed her (before this and even more after this) so the only thing she would have going for her would be strong evidence.
She wouldn’t really have much to lose if you think about it. Either way, her career is probably over. Apparently he was not supporting her financially either, which kind of makes the “spousal support” request seem strange, since he hasn’t actually been supporting her up until now, if that bit of info is true. Which it may or may not be.
If she’s played him and he actually had some sort of proof of an extortion attempt, that would still equate to a public court case where whatever happened during their 5 years together, relevant or not, could be brought up and aired to the public. At the end, his image is worth more than a $20 million payout. Something I’m sure he’s very aware of. That bit is what has me wondering…why didn’t he simply just quietly settle this? It’s not very logical if she truely has the goods on him and he knows he’s guilty of what she says.
@AliceToo, I think a lot a people are being to dismissive about Amber’s career. She is going to be in a Marvel film. I don’t know exactly how far Depp’s influence goes since he is a Disney actor but he certainly has the connections to make her future miserable in terms of her career choices. It’s not like she has nothing to lose when she is dealing with someone as BIG as JD.
My current theory about why his team didn’t try to settle is that Johnny Depp didn’t actually told them the truth. Bc maybe he didn’t think she had anything on him (couldn’t even remember there were witnesses and didn’t see the bruise), or that she wouldn’t dare to go public…
It doesn’t matter what type of character she has. I don’t have to like her to see that violence is wrong. Maybe she was manipulative, some of those videos especially the one where she berated her mother for making eye contact with a mere commoner made her seem like a spoiled brat. My impression then and now was that it was a toxic relationship and i don’t think she is a flawless person all of a sudden. But that is no excuse for what happened. She could be the biggest bitch in the world, violence is never the answer
Exactly! Agreed, completely.
People have an idea of what victims should be like and how they should behave and respond, even their personalities, and when victims don’t conform to this preconceived idea – it is open season on the victims instead of the abuser. NO ONE deserves to be abused in any way.
Yup, yup. People want to figure out what makes the victim “different” to reassure themselves that they could never be victimized. It isn’t true, of course, but it’s something cruel in human nature. Anyone can be a victim; abuse and violence are usually bad luck.
She wasn’t telling a ‘commoner’ not to make eye contact, it was a reporter on a press queue that was questioning her mother, she was telling her mother not to make eye contact with the reporters on the line or else they will jump to start a line of questioning, it’s actually common behaviour on how to survive the onslaught of a press line, but the way she spoke critically to her mother who didn’t seem to mind being interviewed was uncomfortable to watch for me. However not quite the same as telling a fan or someone on a press line not to make eye contact with her.
I haven’t been a fan of Ambers work as an actor however I always thought she was an interesting interview in print and one of the only starlets in her age group to openly come out and be dating women, she showed she isn’t one who cares what society thinks.
I believe her claims wholeheartedly as they revolve around facts and witnesses. One needs to look no further than Depp himself to see how far gone he is.
It is David v Goliath in the battle of the PR and Goliaths PR is winning in public spin.
Great post, Lisatorner.
This whole thing has gotten so ugly. But what people are claiming about Amber is not inconceivable, At least to me anyway. As someone who has been a victim of DV, I also witnessed my own relative (who is diagnosed with BPD) do something similar to her boyfriend. The manipulation, the compulsive lying, the all around nasty accusations, and it was very frustrating to witness and having to watch it all play out. So I’m painfully aware that both scenarios can and do happen, but this whole thing playing out in the public eye is just so seedy. I get his friends are trying to be fiends And support him. I get his daughter and his long-time ex defending him, but no one was really there 24/7 to know for sure. Someone can be a completely different person with different people. This has become a salacious circus. If Amber is telling the truth, I’m glad she is out of this toxic marriage.
Yeah, BPD is rough. And the manipulation, lying, threats, and endless button-pushing make it difficult to determine what’s really going on.
I have to say, though, that Johnny strikes me as BPDish. Maybe Amber has similar traits. In which case, the relationship was definitely doomed to end in a horrible explosion.
It was a toxic marriage for both, obviously, and it’s in both Johnny’s and Amber’s best interests to end it and get away from each other. It sounds like Amber was trying to end it fairly quietly, but her hand was forced by Johnny’s team. Now the nuclear fallout is everywhere, and the media is right at ground zero with HAZMAT suits on…
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Yeah. Let’s just go and believe the guy with a girlfriend named Bingo. This is ridiculous. Amber provided evidence, had a bruise. A video (which I bet she showed to the judge) and still depp supporters are blaming heard. This is so sad for victims of any abuse.
It really is. If I were a DV victim, I’d be distraught. You can have video, photos, multiple witnesses and STILL have people throwing bile and insisting you’re lying? Heard has done everything that victims are told they must do in order to be credible and it’s still not enough. No wonder survivors find it so hard to come forward!
That’s right, and it’s painful and outrageous. There was an effort to help survivors of abuse come forward starting a few decades ago, but the focus is still on the victims and not the victimizers, and broadening the definition of “wife beating” to “domestic violence” had the unintended consequence of reducing awareness of the misogyny underlying most of the abuse.
Depp’s responses don’t sound those of an innocent man who has a heart, loved her enough to marry her, and feels wounded and confused. They sound like those of an angry, controlling, resentful, entitled brat surprised to find a girl could take away his toys. Go back to your private island Johnny. Keep telling us you’re all about the art and not the money. No one believes you.
I’m not saying he should be believed, but what does his girlfriend’s name have anything to do with believing him or not.
God, I really don’t know what I’d do without the coverage and comments here. All of this has been so painfully predictable and formulaic, including the red flags throughout her reports (and his own interviews)!!
It’s all been said, so I won’t bother… but in addition to being livid and terrified for Amber, I’m kind of livid that “the powers that be” just assume the public memory is this short, that they can control the narrative no matter how many facts are laid out and dots are connected. They think they can do this because they already get away with all the time.
We’ve all heard vague things about the PR machine and sinister people in Hollywood running everything and silencing victims… but after Ronan Farrow’s essay this feels like a tipping point in some ways: misogyny and violence and power plays and press manipulation all rolled into one, and I really really need to see Amber win. She shouldn’t need further proof, but I really hope she has it, and that we all know about it.
None of these statements are even relevant. At all. Johnny’s friends and exes weren’t there. But Johnny’s staff — and her friends — WERE there, and somehow their testimony should be ignored but the others are bona fide proof?!
It doesn’t even make sense; obvious manipulation is obvious. He’s been planning this for more than a year, though, the smears.
There is photographic evidence of Amber’s injuries. So what’s the alternative scenario here? What are Depp’s friends and ex’s claiming exactly? That Amber hit herself in the face so she could be in a messy public scandal which will ruin her reputation and possibly threaten her career? That an actress, of all people, would risk damaging her own face? To what end? So she can watch her life go up in flames? She absolutely knew what Depp would do to her if she went public. She knew there would be a scorched earth policy enacted by his people that could utterly ruin her. There was no prenup so Amber was guaranteed a tidy settlement without going public with some Gone Girl plot. Depp’s version of events (via his surrogates) makes no sense.
Thank you, Cora, for summing it up so rationally and succinctly. You hit all the important points, and what you said makes good sense. Anyone who doubts Heard’s story should read your post. Just read it and think about it.
To this day, people who knew my abuser deny that he could have done anything to me. TO THIS DAY. My cousin-went to school with him-TO THIS DAY refuses to believe that he raped me. Despite the years of me being in therapy, being suicidal, going in and out of depressions, losing jobs…
If you’ve never been abused, you have no idea how absolutely sickeningly people will behave towards you. My cousin was my best friend and was suppose to have my back and now that we’re almost in our forties she still refuses to believe ME-me her cousin, her relative-over a guy she knew in high School. Still.
I´m so sorry for you!
This is exactly what makes the whole situation so frustrating.
That the abused is hardly ever believed, no matter what evidence there
may be!
I hope you have supporting people around you.
Be strong and keep your head high!
That´s the best revenge.
Easily said, I know. I wish you the very best.
I’m so sorry, anon33. I believe you, and I believe Amber, and my heart breaks for you having to deal with outright denial from a member of your own family. I hope this cousin is outnumbered by supportive loved ones who have your back. Sounds like you’ve fought hard for a long time; I wish you well in the future.
And yes, your comment perfectly illustrates that this is yet another textbook reaction to female victims… we’re just seeing it on a much bigger scale.
Oh my God Anon33. I am so so sorry. This life can be sad and you have certainly gotten more than your fair share. I pray you have friends and family that DO support you. Your cousin has problems if she wants to support a rapist. Perhaps he did it to her too, and if she believed your version of events she would have to face her own demons. Better to say you were at fault so she can keep her own fragile version of events intact.
Be well, and I will be keeping you in my thoughts and prayers.
I believe you, and I know from my experience how people behave. You lose people you thought were your friends, you are insulted in a million ways (all devolving down to ‘crazy liar’), your accounts are treated like a buffet from which people feel they can select which items they can handle, your family closes ranks, and you become afraid to share your whole life story with new people. It splits off a major part of your life and your self from the rest, all because other people are fearful and uncomfortable with what one of their own can do. THAT SAID, you own your story, you know the truth, and you are a whole person. With that, you can heal anything and do anything, and you are free of needing to anything to satisfy their unhelpful demands. You can go anywhere, you can make new friends, and you don’t have to prove anything to anybody.
Well said. I hope every abuse survivor on this thread reads your words.
Agreed. My ex-husband’s family still doesn’t believe he’s an alcoholic and was incredibly emotionally and physically abusive in our marriage. Neither did his friends. “He’s such a nice guy”, “you’re so lucky to have him” were things I heard throughout our marriage. On the surface, sure, but get an abusive alcoholic behind closed doors and it changes at the flip of a switch. No one in his family believed he would burn me on the leg with a lighter after coming home blackout drunk at 4am. People just don’t get it and refuse to believe it. So awful and alienating when you go through it.
Sorry Elizabeth, I can only imagine. Addiction is a family disease, I’m sure his friends/family are heavily in denial… as an alcoholic I can vouch that there was plenty of times I was told I did/said things that I didn’t remember at all. Hopefully you’re in a better place now & your X has gotten help to fight his demons.
I posted above about a time I didn’t believe an abused person. I had known the abuser for so long and many of his friends just couldn’t believe he did it. But he did. I learnt a hard lesson then about how little anyone knows about what goes on behind closed doors and how monsters don’t actually look like monsters.
So sorry that happened to you & to the other posters that have detailed similar stories. Hope one day the people who refused to believe you have a moment of clarity and apologise and ask for your forgiveness.
I am so very sorry. I pray you have an awesome support system.
I believe you, Anon33, and I really feel for you. There is no one rational explanation for the shameful reactions and responses that people – even as in your case, the victim’s own FAMILY members – can have to a victim of abuse. It’s like they see us as dirtied by it, defiled somehow, and they want no part of us because we asked for it by telling! But you are HERE, and clearly you are strong, I know that because you endured it and can talk about it.
A lot of us have been pulled into this Heard-Depp story almost against our wills. I have been trying for days to understand that reaction in myself. Why are we clustered here to discuss this? I say it’s because when things like this happen to someone else, we who have been through it want to have her back…but also, I believe it’s because we’re never done processing what we were put through, and the story is never really over, even when we think we’ve gotten past it. But that’s not a terrible thing, really, because it means that we want to offer comfort and support to others who have endured abuse, even if it reawakens old trauma in ourselves – and for all those who would never have believed the truth of what happened to us, we are now bearing witness to our true stories in a public forum read by many. It doesn’t matter that we’re anonymous, only that our words are true. And each time we speak out, we free ourselves a little bit more from the cycle we were caught in.
Keep standing up for yourself, Anon33, because each time you do, the truth becomes a little more alive and powerful, and in the end it will remain standing when all the lies and name-calling have failed.
Bingo’s boyfriend actually makes it more credible that Johnny did blow up. They tell him what they think of Amber then they leave. So Johnny may have gotten in a rage fueled by the fact that his friends have been talking for years about what a fool he is, giving him another reason to take that out on Amber. Just a thought….
Good point. He basically describes someone who was in an emotionally distraught and volatile state.
YES! I’ve been thinking along those lines too. Actually the more people paint Amber as a user, the more credence it gives her version of events. I can see him become enraged thinking about how she’d duped him. That is NOT an excuse for what he did to her. I’m just saying it makes her story seem even more likely to me.
+10000
Such a good point. Even the manipulative smear tactics are revealing more red flags, but they’re counting on the public not having enough awareness about abusive patterns and rage.
Please copy/paste on other sites in you have the stomach for it… not that it would matter. I’ve still not ventured anywhere else because the comments section will be too triggering, and I know facts and reason don’t matter to his blind defenders… but they cannot get away with this.
I just tagged the little creep in two tweets pointing this out to him, and that he kept quiet because his status as Depp’s friend was more important. I hashtagged it #PRfail
I agree, I don’t think Depp comes off very well in this account, and it actually acknowledges his volatility. This “friend” is a suck-up. What does he gain from this? If Depp didn’t do it, it would come out in court.
Maybe you are on to something there….
I have been thinking about JD’s deterioration in general, and a few things in the last five years come to mind. Escalating alcoholism/drug abuse, failed long term relationship with Vanessa, leaving V for a younger woman and even more escalation of alcohol/ drug abuse. All in the public eye. Adding up to humiliation for JD. In other words, JD made a complete mess of his life, a fool of himself, and turned himself into a punch line for a mid life crisis joke. The Australia apology thing….. I dunno, maybe it was too much. And he blames it all on Amber. He’s an emotionally immature, rich, spoiled, child-man who is also now a late stage alcoholic. It’s all Amber’s fault! She ruined me! Look at my life! etc etc. Unfortunatly Amber gets the brunt of this in the form of physical and emotional abuse from JD.
@Cindy – Great point. Projection is just one of the many fun defense mechanisms in an abuser’s arsenal.
I believe Depp is going down Heath Ledger’s road. Appearing at high profile public events with rotting teeth, funnyman hair and clown makeup despite having millions and a boatload of minions who could fix you right up no matter how high you are is sinking fast and permanent. Heard may not be perfect but she lives and works in the real world and put on a good, appropriate and sane show at professional events.
Her exit leaves Depp in the clutches of sideshow freaks ala Charlie Sheen.
Yeah that article does nothing to change my opinion that Johnny is guilty of hitting her. However, it does make me think my initial impression of Amber is probably accurate: She didn’t marry him for true love and she may be an awful person.
But that doesn’t mean he didn’t abuse her. And it doesn’t JUSTIFY him abusing her.
I just don’t buy into the “Gone Girl” theory. She’d have to be a grade A grifter sociopath and call me naive but I just feel like that type of person is extremely rare. I suspect Amber went into this marriage for less than stellar reasons and then ended up way in over her head with his drug problems, his rage issues, etc. They both need to get out of this marriage and he needs to get serious help.
How many people marry 100% for true love? Men or women? How many young actors marry successful older actors 100% for true love? And if they don’t, does that make them awful people? Apparently he pursued her so intensely that eventually she gave in. And once he locked her down, it got worse from there.
Looking at all these photos — he looks angry so much of the time. Anger has left its mark on his face as he has aged.
Yes, I *do* think marrying someone for their money or to get a leg up on one’s career *does* make someone awful if they deceived the person they married into thinking they loved him/her. That’s just shitty. But the way to handle that is to divorce the deceptive person- not abuse them.
But my main point was to say it’s one thing to marry for money or career aspirations. It’s not the most noble reason to marry but many people have done it and will continue to do it. But damn it takes a real sociopath to fabricate abuse charges against an innocent person. I just don’t buy many people are like that so these alternative theories are falling flat for me.
I feel like too many folks have watched or read “Gone Girl” and they’re clinging to that in order to protect the positive images they had of Johnny Depp. Maybe he’s a nice guy when sober and a loving dad but he clearly has major substance abuse and rage issues that have been documented for years. Add that to Amber’s physical evidence and I can’t help but find the man guilty.
Agreed. People marry for the whole package, which usually includes what support they believe the other person would bring to the equation. The timeline is kinda confusing, but it sounds like Johnny was in “his side” of the condo. His friends visited, wound him up, then left. So Johnny toddled over to Amber’s side with his drunken accusations.
His face does look like it’s finally ready to unveil his private rage to the public. Very disappointing.
I’m amazed at his team’s ham-handed PR. I agree with those who think his team was blindsided by his DV. I do think her lawyer’s language and pace with the demand letter is calculatedly aggressive. But that’s what lawyers do I suppose.
All said, the simplest scenario is probably true. Johnny wanted to purchase youth. His item had a mind of her own. Amber was attracted to a swashbuckling a-lister. It upgraded her lifestyle and career chances. His issues quickly escalated. She ended up looking like his caretaker because that’s often what she was.
The relationship devolved. Him raging at her and hitting her on Saturday was the death nell of the marriage. She told him she intended to file. He tried to buy her back into the marriage and her silence about the DV. He was incensed when she refused, said she’d get nothing from him. Her lawyer sent the letter suggesting settlement. He balked, and his black PR machine started. Amber filed. DV hearing. PR machines at war.
At this point, I think she earned her money from Johnny. I’ve never liked her much, but he’s no innocent here.
Bleh.
I guess this is how I see it, why can’t BOTH things be true? She’s a gold digger/opertunist & he’s an abusive drunk. I pity JD because I feel like the allegations are completely believeable based on what he’s shown the public since being with A. Surely his team can see he’s become his own worst enemy with being publicly intoxicated, the tole the drink/drugs have done to his body, and that unbelievably smug handling of Puppygate. So what if A is some hot minx, he’s 50 years old! His obvious mid-life crisis has brought him to this point, and, at least for me, when I was going through a divorce – I felt way more crazy than normal. And I didn’t have a huge public opinion and millions of dollars at stake.
I have a bit of trouble in judging people I know in person only superficially because I learned a hard lesson. One of my best friends has a “bitch” expression, I didn’t like her before knowing her better and most people think she is just an arrogant bitch because she doesn’t smile a lot and is “cold”. She actually has some issues and is naturally defensive towards people, but is actually quite fragile and emotionally needy.
But that’s not her social person, so I wonder if someone like Amber (who in instagram pictures seems quite goofy and at the same time plays hard the sultry look on the red carpet) can’t also be labeled in a way just because how she is perceived. I almost feel tempted to reread her interviews where she was criticized to see if we were being unfair by reading it through the lens of the “gold digger”. Even that “don’t make any eye contact” to her mother, while rude, can come from her insecurity about her mom sharing stuff that would put her on a hot spot.
She is no angel, most people aren’t but I’m finding hard to swallow this smear campaign and it’s making me question stuff from the past.
YES
And I can believe he hit her on Saturday night, anything could have happen, if his friend is right he could have been very hurt and mad and fight with amber and even maybe she hit him too but I don’t believe he abused her throughout their entire relationship.
Also most of her story is very contradictory, if she ¨fears for her life¨why do all this? why ask and focus on spousal support? If this happened to me I would be focus on getting him in jail so he can’t attack me again and I could live in peace, not in his money.
It’s not hard to believe that she cheated on him but also him on her, it’s hollywood, why not? It’s not hard to believe that they were BOTH drunks and on drugs or that she was fine with him like that, I mean, everyone says he was clean with Vanessa, that she ¨kept him¨ sober, so why not with amber.
Why believe her friends and not his?
Well, with or without abuse, it doesn’t change that she wants his money.
With or without the money, it doesn’t change that he abused her.
This line here says it all: “You’d call him a paranoid if you didn’t know better.” You sure can!
Well, we do know better, we know by his own statements and his own history. Paranoid!
Terrible. Basically Johnny pursued hard a much younger person who broke off at least once with him but he lovebombed her back, let behind his family, enjoyed a lifestyle that he shouldn’t have based on this past addiction issues, now exposed his children and former partner to the distress caused by his behavior … and his family is still protecting him? Perhaps understandable but enabling at its worst.
This guy though, the way he worded his reply and the details he gave, he’s just given ammo to her defense team.
I seriously doubt this is part of Depp’s PR strategy. Stanhope lives in constant chaos and addiction and his girlfriend Bingo has her own serious mental issues.
Interesting info. I wonder if he’ll respond to the tweets I just tagged him in? I may never know since my account setting are private, but I tagged him in two tweets pointing out his complete hypocrisy. So he is really two of a kind with JD, they enable each other. No wonder he wanted to stay in the inner circle.
Izzy, if he responds will you post here what he says?
I went on his twitter yesterday after it was mentioned here that he was making noises. He’d posted that he was there that she was “full of sh!t” and should he do a podcast about it. Everyone was saying to use it to promote his book, it was gross.
He also mentioned that he had not been asked to say anything, yet… so we can suppose he has now been asked?
You know what you guys sound like? That talk show woman on gone girl. Why the rush to judge Johnny and defend Amber? None of us can claim privy to what really happened. If you want to read the tabloids (which I enjoy doing), go ahead. But stop speculating and talking like you know the truth, you know these people and making judgement on them.
@Moon-hmmm. Let’s just say that this is a real -life situation. Look at the language used in the court papers. There are witnesses. Johnny’s behavior and addiction issues are facts. True, none of us were there. But it really seems something happened, and the judge seemed to think she needed protection. I was one of many here who thought Amber was after money and fame by marrying JD. Maybe she was. Doesn’t matter though. Because no woman deserves to be abused. Not one woman. (Or man for that matter.)
Yes, that photo and those SWORN COURT FILINGS are so vague and fuzzy at best.
I totally agree on that with moon. This needs to be investigated by professionals. Judgemental people on the internet don’t help anyone at this point.
I’ll always believe the victim first because having dealt with DV myself, I know how draining and awful is when people don’t believe you, because “he is such a nice guy, you must have done something to provoke him”.
If she is lying the truth will come out in court but in the meantime I’ll side with her.
ah Jesus…another Gone Girl comment.
Yeah. What the eff is up with all the commenters citing Gone Girl. Disturbing how disconnected to reality some of these posters seem that a fictional character/book/movie is their go to frame of reference instead of ya know, the actual facts.
Celebitchy really has an agenda here, this Amber thing is a nasty, cunning opportunist, she is only bi because it got her some press, she only married him for money and fame. She is 30 now so the time is running out for her, calling for drastic actions. Anyone would live with anything for 15 months if the payout is 20 mln. It is way to easy to drag man’s name through dirt, she knew what she was doing, now all lgtb, feminists, abuse activists have been activated and she plays it like an orchestra. I am done with you celebitchy, you are irrelevant and biased.
Awesome. Don’t let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya…
Okay. Wow. Good riddance to you.
You know why people on CB are defending Amber?….because CB dared to get their info off of actual court papers and NOT GOSSIP. See you have probably relied on sites that runs on speculation, gossip and Depp butt licking.
Depp and Depper…makes sense.
Go back to the Red Pill, please.
“Depper says:
May 30, 2016 at 9:54 am
Celebitchy really has an agenda here, this Amber thing is a nasty, cunning opportunist, she is only bi because it got her some press, she only married him for money and fame. She is 30 now so the time is running out for her, calling for drastic actions. Anyone would live with anything for 15 months if the payout is 20 mln. It is way to easy to drag man’s name through dirt, she knew what she was doing, now all lgtb, feminists, abuse activists have been activated and she plays it like an orchestra. I am done with you celebitchy, you are irrelevant and biased. ”
What agenda is that? I have read this site for years it one of the best news sites out there. They post true things hear if you want to kiss depps a## go to a different site!
don’t let the door hit you in the ass when you leave
Didn’t she have witnessed to the phone assault incident?
Yes. Please read the articles. In sum: a friend, neighbors, and Depp’s security team were all there. One friend intervened to avoid Depp assaulting her more. Some issued sworn statements. In court, they would all be sworn in, even the loyal security guards. They would have to lie at risk of perjury. Few do that in court, no matter how much they are paid.
It’s got to be hard guarding a paranoid, violence-prone addict. They would tell the truth and get better jobs.
Actually, no. All the witnesses were there for the immediate aftermath but she was alone with Johnny when the phone hit her. She did have a friend on speakerphone at the time though. I’m sure his people will work to pick that apart.
I confirm this, it’s in the report. And it was that friend on the phone who called the police. The security team saw him being abusive to her and breaking stuff but not an actual physical attack.
It’s still not good if he waited till they were alone to strike her. Abusers are conscious of their situation.
This is disgusting. I’d originally thought that the abuse was due to his drug use, perhaps even a one off when he lost it. Horrible, yes, but the vile onslaught being directed at Amber as this unfolds points to something far darker and more sustained. I didn’t think he was a violent person by nature – more than when he used or drank another side came out. I’m really starting to doubt that and it’s his own PR causing that.
Sometimes people drink to let out who they really are.
This.
Addiction, death of his mother, fact she was leaving him … most people would’ve given him the benefit of the doubt if he’d gone with the “it was a one-off incident under extreme stress” tactic, apologised profusely and entered rehab. The smear campaign makes him look mean-spirited, which makes Amber’s claims of prolonged abuse far more believable. It was THE worst thing they could’ve done. These PR people get paid for this strategy?
Yet another comment from a totally irrelevant source.
Poor Amber. I hope she is not reading all the crap being written about her. Have any of these naysayers addressed her bruises yet? I am just waiting for one of them comment how good the makeup job is.
I prefer to wait for the proces to make an opinion.
There are different versions : police, Amber’s and her friend’s version, Johnny’s friends.
We don’t know their relation, the relationship between her and his family :
– maybe she was abused and it is bad and justice is necessary
-maybe she was not
It is word against word : I am dubitative about the pictures (we have destroyed things : but what proves that it was Johnny who make that?) in general. If people are sceptic about the comments from Johnny’s entourage, why don’t we will have the same attitude about Amber’s entourage?
The things that makes me uncomfortable in this story :
-the rapport of the police
-the publicity of this affair
– the silence of his bodyguards.
-the staging of the proces (black dress, no smiles) in contrast with her attitude after.
physical abuse against her or against material things?
But anyway she says she has a video : I want to know what the content of this video is :
For now, I reserve my opinion
If Johnny is guilty, he earns punishment; if Amber lies, the abused man and woman are the loosers of the story.
English is not my first language
Care to address the bruises?
And if she’d worn something with color and smiled while leaving court, the criticism would be “look how happy she was.”
Women really can’t win.
Probably because Amber’s ‘entourage’ were eye witnesses, and Johnny’s are people crawling out of the woodwork to defend their ‘bro’.
His body guards are on HIS payroll, of course they’ll stay silent. They have probably signed non-disclosure agreements. His exes weren’t there. His friend was not there.
Amber’s friends WERE there. She has photos and video.
Right now, it’s pretty damning towards Johnny.
Reserve your judgement, but know that whenever you’re doubting someone who DOES have eyewitnesses and documented proof – you’re causing those who experience domestic violence to be afraid to speak up. This is why so many cases are unreported – because despite all of the evidence people still doubt them.
Wow, someone has gotten paid a pretty penny for this article. Let me ask, who paid who?
“Let me ask: who paid who?”
Just a guess, but pretty sure it’s the multimillionaire actor who paid the PR machine. And it looks like it worked, at least on you.
His article is complete trash, but he basically confirmed that he was sleep-deprived and acting paranoid, which matches up with Amber’s statement that he was paranoid when he went over. I hope her lawyers can use this as confirmation.
Question, if Johnny’s team/people were to keep their mouths shut and not respond to any of the allegations, don’t you think people would take that as him tucking in his tail and admitting his guilt? Are we actually getting angry that his team is doing what most people being accused of something so serious would do? By all means look at the evidence and form your opinions, but I don’t see the point in getting upset at his friends and family supporting the person they think they “know” and I won’t get mad that his PR/defense team is doing their job either.
The problem with friends and family defending Depp is they’re implying Amber Heard is lying. That doesn’t help.
I agree. I think there is a way they could support and vouch for their friend without completely disregarding Amber’s accusations, since none of them were with them 24/7 to know exactly what happened. And if the neighbor was vouching for Amber, they should at least take that into acct and be a bit more open minded.
Also on the flip side. I wish people trying to argue about the bruise would just let it go. Bruising is a tricky thing. They don’t show up immediately and the pattern fades at different intervals And different areas. I absolutely believe she had a bruise on her face. Also, let’s just leave out her bisexuality as a catalyst. Sure ok, maybe he was twice as paranoid that she was cheating, but it doesn’t change the fact that he was jealous and that he should have gotten out of that marriage if his jealousy was festering to the point where he wanted to get physical with her.
What if he thought there was nothing wrong in getting physical? He had no problem being openly, violently destructive with property – an intimidating act to several former girlfriends. To abusive men, women are property. He might really have believed he was entitled to do whatever he wanted, and now he’s angry he was caught, and thinks he can punish her in public.
Men who are insanely jealous tend to want to control their women further. They don’t sit around and think, “Gosh, I sound awfully unhealthy lately. I guess I should leave her and let her move on with other fellas.” No, they think, “If I can’t have her, no one else will. Mine! Mine! Mine!”
I guess it would be expected, but the problem is that his lawyer made an initial statement saying that he wouldn’t engage with these allegations because it was all ridiculous. And now they are using the press to do the opposite.
After Amber’s lawyer sent the initial letter to Depp’s business lawyer already saying she wanted the divorce and that Depp had been violent to her but that she did’t want a public scandal, it was given Depp’s side about a week to answer. On the next day or so news about how awful Amber was, how his family hated her came up along with wrongly dated photos showing her well after the alleged attack (the public didn’t know about it yet). It was only after this media bashing that she proceeded with the DV official and public claim.
I honestly don’t understand why his people decided to do things this way. If she is lying they can sue her and make sure she never works again (that’s why I tend to believe her, it would be too risky, and people always hated her, so she can’t really count with public support), if not, why let it out and create this circus. Maybe Depp didn’t tell his team what happened and didn’t know she had proof and now they are full on damage control?
To my knowledge, neither Johnny or his rep have issued a statement, denying that he abused his wife. Instead, they’ve tried to deflect by painting Amber out to be a manipulative gold digger and getting friends and ex-lovers to stand up for him. I find this tactic to be very telling. If he didn’t abuse her, why not just issue a direct statement to clear your name?
I know they previously claimed that they weren’t going to respond to rumors, but FFS, your wife has been photographed with bruises on her face and is claiming you abused her. This isn’t just a silly tabloid story.
Can’t wait to read what Marilyn Manson has to say about this.
I’ve been thinking the same, Miss S. I’m sure it’ll all be a giant clusterf***
Dear Doug Nobody: Admitting that you look like an opportunist, trying to kiss a powerful movie stars ass to help his career does not convince anyone that you are not an opportunist, trying to kiss a powerful move stars ass to help your career.
I’m sure other people have shared similar anecdotes, but just chiming in to say this. My father didn’t abuse his first wife at all, but he abused my mother like crazy, in all manner of ways. She, like Heard, was much younger than him. Maybe it’s different with wives they feel they can dominate? I don’t know.
My older half siblings were surprised that I would even ask how their family life was, cause he was an ideal husband and father.
Yes. Not all abusers act the same all the time. My uncle (an alcoholic) had the weirdest pattern with his wives. He did got physically violent with his first wife. He cleaned up and was apparently a good husband to his second wife, who was much younger than him. But he was verbally and emotionally abusive towards his third wife.
How he got married 3 times being such a mess, might seem beyond weird, but he, like many abusers, is a complete charmer and he behaves like a prince when he is sober.
That is why I believe Amber. Her story is consistant with the behaviour of an abuser
Character witnesses like Doug Stanhope, a noted anti-marriage alcoholic and drug-user, are worth exactly NOTHING.
Doug and “Bingo” broke up earlier this year when Doug cheated on her. He’s a great guy to have on your team!
My two cents, NO ONE knows what goes on behind closed doors in someone’s relationship EXCEPT for the people in the relationship. Johnny could have been a saint before he married Amber (but most know that he wasn’t) however, that doesn’t mean that he didn’t go off the rails for whatever reason during their relationship and hit her. All of this victim blaming makes me furious. I’ve been in this sort of situation before only I was afraid to go to the authorities. Good on Amber for doing so knowing that she was going to be dragged through the mud by most everyone in favor of her high powered, rich husband. We will see how this all settles out in an actual legal courtroom, not the court of public opinion.
Amber filed a restraining order, got pics, video evidence, witnesses…she basically did everything our society encourages a person allegedly being abused to do in order to have their day in court and be heard. Yet, many are still demonizing her before all of the evidence can be presented. It’s such a nice picture to paint for other victims of abuse out there, struggling minute by minute as to whether or not come out and advocate for themselves.
+1000
^ 100%.
Maybe she needs video proof (people will still wonder if that isn’t a set up because “why would she record something unless she provoked him”) and someone from his side like one of the bodyguards telling what they saw. Apparently lots of people have the Gone Girl film as a point of reference when looking at Amber….
I agree 100% that the video may be met with a whole lot of shade. However, abuse does follow a pattern, and who would know the pattern better than the victim in order to set up a camera? Or maybe the area in which the abuse occurred was already under camera surveillance for security purposes? Who knows. I’m not saying I believe her OR him, I am just saying let’s not go for the jugular just yet.
No answer as to why she didn’t press chargers.
No answer as to why she wants his money more than her freedom.
Read the document, read the letter her lawyer sent to his business lawyer.
Thank you Miss S. And in all honesty what business is it of ours as to how much she is asking for? It’s about 3 freaking tiny percent of his income. She’s no great actress, I’ll give you that, but I’m willing to bet that she lost work here and there to be his arm candy or IF she was being abused was not emotionally capable…so again, what business is it of ours? Besides, my lawyer uncle taught me a looong time ago to always ask for much, much more than you actually are willing to walk away with. It’s a legal strategy suggested by her lawyers and nothing more.
Well, let’s see. She’s divorcing a man with a reported $400 million dollar fortune, and her income last year was a reported $700k. He’s going to be paying for the best lawyers in the world. Her legal fees alone, if she wants to not get devoured by his team, will be in the high six or possibly even seven-figure range by the time all this is over.
Now let’s look at the fact that she has potentially ruined or at least greatly set back her career by coming forward about that abuse.
So now she has a low earnings potential and is using most of what she does have for legal fees. Asking for spousal support is a matter of survival, not greed.
Doug’s one of those disreputable people I mentioned. There’s plenty more where he came from. (I’d include Gilliam, though some would argue that.) As the pr plot thickens, I can’t help but be reminded of that old adage, “Lie down with dogs, wake up with fleas.” In this case, it applies to both Amber and Johnny.
So Johnny was sleep deprived, anxiety ridden, paranoid, grieving and most likely abusing substances on the the night in question? And throw in Johnny’s violent temper?
Sounds like a perfect cocktail for him to go nuclear and lay his hands (phone) on her in a raging bender.
This makes me believe her even more. This Stanhope character did him no favors IMO.
I agree. I saw this article yesterday, before reading about it here, and was disgusted. What kind of “friend” writes something like this. Sheesh, have some dignity.
It’s one thing to support your friend as not having a history of abuse “as far as you know”, when you start attacking the character of the victim and calling her names is when people become suspicious. RDJ supported Mel Gibson as a friend but never came out to say the domestic abuses against him by his girlfriend was false nor did he attack her character.
I can give RDJ somewhat of a pass on the Mel Gibson situation. Mel hired him when he was untouchable in Hollywood and Mel paid out of his own pocket to insure him for the Singing Detective. That gave Robert a foot back in the door to get back on top. I think RDJ was just trying to pay it back focusing on Mel’s addiction issues vs. the pure evil side of Mel we all know and loathe for a second chance for Mel.
Mel Gibson never denied hitting Oksana, even admitting it under oath, and didn’t wage an all-out PR offensive against her. Before that, he was willing to spend millions to buy her silence, and the tapes only went public because Mel and Oksana could not agree about the custody of their daughter. Why wasn’t Depp’s legal team willing to negotiate?
@Original T.C. – Great point. There’s a big difference between “he’s a good friend to me and I’ve never seen him be abusive” and “his wife is a gold-digging harlot and she’s obviously lying about him abusing her.”
I remember Terry Gilliam trashing Michelle Williams a few years back, not too long after Ledger died and she was a brand new single mom, for supposedly being so awful and money Grubbing with Heath Ledger. Ledger to me seemed genuinely kind, but the point remains that he and Depp were both abusing substances which generally creates havoc for whoever you are in a relationship with.
So of course this Gilliam runs to the Depp defense too. Addicts are reasonable if they’re male, and it is these damn women who dont know their place who need public chastisement.
HW is so transparent in its tolerated and encouraged misogyny. I wish more women were like Amber Heard. The only way things will change is women standing up to power every time.
I’m a Johnny Depp fan however he truly walked into that one on his own. She’s young he did not get a prenup and she was dating women before him so men aren’t Amber’s first priority. The slandering is flat out wrong but maybe now he realizes what he put Vanessa through when he broke her heart after 14 years. I can tell Vanessa still carries a torch for him but I don’t think Johnny was ever passionate about her it was just like a Ben and Jennifer Garner relationship it was just easy because the woman was more into them. In Johnny’s situation Amber definitely always had the upper hand I believe he would have done anything to keep her. I could tell he truly loved her. I’m tired of men doing foolish things then when it backfires we are supposed to feel sorry for them let them reap what they sow. They seem to feel differently when the shoe is on the other foot.
First priority? What is that supposed to mean? Her bisexuality shouldn’t be part of this conversation. It’s disturbing that’s becoming part of the narrative.
This!
Yeah why does it matter? I don’t get the comments I’m seeng on sites about it. Just shows bigotry if you ask me. People seem to think her being bi is a sign that she’s a promiscuous cheater or crazy. It’s weird.
I’m actually horrified that so many women automatically believe Amber just because she’s female. I’m completely skeptical of her claims. Never a visible bruise until AFTER she’s filed for divorce? And this one conveniently on her face for all to see? I know it’s common in a divorce to ask for more than your really want so you have bargaining leverage, but $50,000 a month in spousal support after 13 months of marriage and no children? Does that not strike anyone else as way over the top excessive? I know Celebitchy is a gossip site, but I’m willing to wait until all the facts are in and not jump on the “Johnny Depp is a wife-beater” wagon at the beginning of the story when Amber is clearly steering the information.
I think you ought to go back and read CB’s detailed timeline of events.
You’d understand all of this. If you don’t want him vilified in the press then be fair and do not exonerate him before all facts are in, either. Anything less is hypocritical.
I did not exonerate him. I said wait for the facts. That’s not the same thing.
Yeah I mean, it’s almost like they’ve invented this magical thing called makeup – a thing that people with much smaller bank accounts than hers use to conceal marks that their SO’s have left on them.
People aren’t jumping to believe her because she’s a woman.
It’s the eye witnesses, the photos, the self-admitted anger problems, the PR campaign against her that are causing people to take her side.
Hear hear!!!!
Yeah no. If you were a regular reader you’d see we do not side automatically with women just because (personally, I tend to believe the victim because of my personal experience). In this case there are proofs to at least give her the benefit of the doubt.
It horrifies me, that because he is a big movie star people are willing to dismiss the fact that he might be an abuser.
To me, the subject is ‘abuse’, or DV, not ‘a woman being abused’. However, most abuse victims ARE women, and there’s no denying they usually have a hard time proving it, and getting support. Amber Heard does have some proof (although we don’t know what the bodyguards have said/will say), and of course we all weren’t there. So let’s just wait and see what will come out of this, but I sure hope it’s the truth, and I’m also sure people on this thread want the same.
I don’t believe people are siding with Amber because she’s a women. I believe people are siding with her because she’s a victim and has evidence. I don’t believe anyone thinks Amber’s an angel or doesn’t have ulterior motives. But she is clearly a victim of abuse and she should be given the benefit of doubt. It takes a lot of courage to come forward.
Johnny’s a grown man, father of two and lead actor to a huge franchise. He should know better.
I don’t think his story is the true one but I do believe it is his real perception. The trouble is he is also a hot mess and his account makes Johnny look even worse. It looks really bad that so many of the people Johnny hangs out with and has vouch for him are also heavy drug users surrounded by mental illness and dysfunction.
I would also like to clarify that I am not the same Amy who has been posting above. I should have thought of a clever name instead of just using my common one!
Hah, I was just marveling at what a turnaround your views had made!
Signed,
another Amy
” It looks really bad that so many of the people Johnny hangs out with and has vouch for him are also heavy drug users surrounded by mental illness and dysfunction.”
Maybe he hangs out with them because he’s also a heavy drug user with some kind of mental illness and dysfunction.
Birds of a feather…
I completely agree with you, Amy. I commented much later on this thread, but I am almost positive that Mr. Depp has frontotemporal dementia. He is confabulating in order to make sense of his skewed perceptions.
Paul Bettany’s comments the other day weren’t any better, he came off as a giant douche.
I think anyone who’s lived with someone who abuses drugs/alcohol knows it can be like living with two different people. There are things I experienced living with an addict that very few people, even my closest friends, don’t know about.
I believe Amber and I hope everything works out for her.
Poor Jennifer Connelly
lots of people told bettany off saying that unless you are married to depp you sd not comment on what happens.
This whole latest statement thing is eye-rolling.
My emotional abuser told all of his friends that I was only in it for the money, that I would lie when I left him, that I had left him for a surgeon. Lol.
He cleverly set it up so that when it happened, he’d look like the victim.
He abused me emotionally for years, was an alcoholic, and I finally left because I actually found him in bed with someone else.
So, Johnny’s buddies, you can all go F yourself.
If you do not want him tried in the press before he gets fair hearing, why then, do not EXONERATE him in the press, either!
Did you see Paul Bettany was defending him on Twitter? Laurie Holden (Andrea from Walking Dead) was saying she was still going to see Alice. Paul is getting tons of responses of hate.
The interesting aspect about Paul’s tweets is that he was the one who started to publicly pick a side on social media in a very condescending way (“just sayin”) but then preached about how DV accusations are really serious and that the piranhas (people online) should wait for the facts. Apparently this responsible attitude isn’t valid to himself which to my wyes just makes him an idiot and this independently of JD guilt or innocence.
I’m likely going to be skewered for this, but I’m going to say it anyway. I am not a fan of either one (meaning I have no warm or cold feelings, just meh). And for some reason I’m not in a rush to judge or convict either one of them, Just because she alleged it doesn’t mean it happened and she didn’t stage it. Her reputation for drama and narcissism does leave room for doubt. Just because he denies it and his exes doubt it, doesn’t mean he didn’t do it. His reputation for drugs and alcohol abuse does leave room for doubt. Will be interesting to see how this turns out but right now I’m Team Truth Should Prevail.
I’m actually exactly with you. I’m team no one. I think both things are plausible and not impossible. So I will wait for more information.
What information are you waiting for? She alleged abuse and showed evidence of it, the judge granted her a restraining order what else do you need.
Bill Cosby first what 15 pluss sexual assault case didn’t go to court does that mean he innocent.
@flowerchild. Police arrive. Said she didn’t say a word about physical abuse. Said there was no evidence of same. Enough of a question left in my mind to wait and see how this plays out, I’m not saying it didn’t happen. But I am saying I have no reason to believe either side to be true at this point. Sorry I’m not all one side or the other……but really the evidence is conflicting. A restraining order isn’t a conviction, She does know makeup. He’s known for abuse of drug and alcohol. Neither are saints. Both are sinners. Truth is likely somewhere other than what we see and know today. I’ll wait and see how it plays out
As others have stated the police never said that their was no evidence that was so BS TMZ put out. The police were called right after it happened and said there wasn’t any sign at the time of bruising. As for her not reporting it that’s very common of DV victims, look at Ray Rice wife he knocked her out and treated her like a sack of potatoes. After the video went public she still didn’t report him even when the police got and involved and to this day she says he not a wife beater.
Does it mean because his wife never reported the abuse to the police when it took place or after that it don’t happen and the video was faked?
Amber’s lawyer mentioned the abuse in court documents before the divorce was even public and I didn’t know she was a makeup artist and was that skilled in creating bruises like that, she missed her calling because she a terrible actress.
If their were no evidence to support her claims I would be right there with you, but thier is. She has her friends, neighbors and his bodyguard as witnesses. He has an ex wife who he hasn’t been with or seen in 30 years, another ex who he hasn’t been with in 5 years and friends that were not there and don’t live with him.
I agree.
One thing I have decided is that the phrase “it’s almost like X” in response to other posts is seriously tiresome and condescending. Way too much of that phrase on here the past couple of days.
I’m just trying to imagine how you plan to get your husband to throw an iphone and for it to impact your face hard enough to leave a visible bruise.
I’m cognizant that she knows a lot about makeup, The police notes suggest otherwise, His alcohol / drug abuse is quite concerning, It would be a premature mistake to rush to judge either based on what info is out there,
Seems Johnny planted the story in his friends mind because he knew it was going down. Amber probably told him she was leaving and maybe due to the abuse. So he planted the story as a victim and knew he worshiper friends would fall for it. Abusers often do this when they have been caught so they can cover their bases when she decides to leave.
I think that over the last couple of years, Depp has built a sort of ‘supporting group’ around him, guys like Stanhope, an addict himself, who thrive on being ‘of use’ to their “emperor’ Johnny. When I hear that his bodyguard has nothing more to say than “Boss, please!” when confronted with violent behaviour, I get the impression these people are only there to protect HIM, no matter what. Reminds me of mafia, and their misunderstood loyalty. I believe Amber was naive to think that she could be an equal to Depp, since he seemingly needs a lot of admiration, and a follower and/or caretaker, not a partner. At the same time, she might have thought this relationship will get her better roles, and a general boost in her career. I find it interesting that Stanhope states that none of Johnny’s friends liked Amber, and that they warned him repeatedly. What part did those “friends” play to build up suspicion about his wife, and tension in the relationship? Only they couldn’t foresee that a drugged and drunk Depp would loose his cool so much, he would throw a phone at her. They are very much part of the problem, it seems.
What really seals the deal for me is that she named his security team as being witnesses to the attack. Someone who is trying to do a Gone Girl would NEVER name check someone who is employed by Depp, and whose job is to protect HIM, as a witness to the attack if it didn’t happen. If it didn’t happen, it would be the easiest thing in the world for Depp’s PR team and lawyers to trot out the security guard Jerry and have him swear up and down that this never happened and that she’s lying. But we haven’t heard a word from him, have we? Why? Because it did happen, and he was there, and that’s why he can’t say sh*t. He is either refusing to lie, or Depp’s team (particularly his attorneys) know that they can’t ask him to lie, especially since it’s very likely that his deposition will be taken at some point in the future and asking someone to lie under oath would destroy them all if it ever got out that they suborned perjury.
For all those people who think she is pulling a Gone Girl, please explain to me why someone who is such an amazing manipulative mastermind would name someone as a witness who 1) could easily refute her story and 2) has every reason to protect Johnny and not her.
Just for accuracy, it wasn’t just one security guard who witness it, she only names “jerry” because it was the only one who spoke “Boss, please!”, but the whole security team was present (don’t know how many though).
Right, and even more reason she’s probably telling the truth – there were multiple security guards there employed by Johnny, any one of whom could out her as a liar if she was making this all up. And yet, complete silence from that quarter, which in itself speaks volumes.
@Ann, I’m actually concerned about that. They could pay up for them to deny it, couldn’t they? They would all have her word and her friend’s word against them, but it could happen if they go to court:/
I really hope at least one of them comes out and speaks. Yeah possibility is high they tell what their Boss says but maybe ‘Jerry’ is married and/or has daughters and feels he has to do something for Amber.
Miss S, Johnny has a lot of money and I have no doubt that he would pay them to speak up for him, but I would think that his attorneys have advised him against it. His security releasing statements drafted by Depp’s PR people is one thing, but it’s an entirely different thing to repeat the same lies under oath, knowing that you could go to jail for it if you’re caught out. It’s entirely possible that the security team will be deposed for court proceedings, in which they will have to swear under oath that the statements they are making are truthful. Perjury is a felony, and most people would balk at lying under oath, no matter how much money is thrown at them. The fact that there were multiple security guards there makes it all the more shaky for Depp – it would take only one of them to fold to bring down the whole house of cards. For suborning perjury, Depp’s own lawyers could face jail time and would most definitely lose their bar licenses. I doubt Laura Wasser would take that risk just to protect Johnny Depp.
I outlined a scenario in another thread on CB about why I absolutely believe Amber. Let’s say you were Jerry, the head security guard who I believe has been with Johnny for over a decade. I think we can safely assume that Jerry WAS a witness to whatever altercation happened, and in this scenario we are assuming that Johnny is innocent and he never raised a hand to her during this fight. Maybe he was yelling and throwing things, but you never saw Johnny hit Amber. Then a few days later she shows up with a bruised face and files court documents claiming that YOU saw him hit her. If she’s lying and she’s trying to drag you into this mess by saying you saw it, wouldn’t the FIRST thing you do be to tell it far and wide that you didn’t see that happen? This lying woman is trying to take down your boss, the man who gives you your living, with one of the most despicable accusations a person can make. You don’t even have to confirm whether or not there was an argument, all you have to say is that you never saw Johnny strike her and your statement alone would blow a huge hole in her story. Yet we’re not hearing a thing from Jerry or any of the other security guards who have every reason to speak up in Johnny’s defense if he is, in fact, innocent. The longer they stay silent, the more convinced I am that they witnessed Johnny attack Amber.
@Ann, totally get your argument. The thing is, I guess it’s easier to talk when the truth absolves your boss then when it incriminates him.
Also, the media haven’t really picked up on who witness Amber’s allegations, only here and in Lainey’s Gossip I read about it. So there is no public pressure for them to speak up. I doubt TMZ is after Depp’s bodyguards to get their side of the story. I would understand them avoiding getting into this mess, specially when their salaries may be at risk and wait until THE HAVE too.
#teamtruth
Me too. Somehow I think both sides are questionable today…..
Yep at the moment it’s a dirty mess and and this assumption that Amber and her friends are all telling the the truth while johnny his family and friends are all liars is wrong imo.
@Mars
Yes it felt wrong too with the assumption that all of Bill Cosby alleged victims new and old were all telling the truth and that he and his friends were all liars, It just seemed so unfair.
As for Johnny family just because neither of his wives were abused by him doesn’t mean he didn’t abuse Amber. I think they were telling the truth from what they know as for his friends they weren’t there. Johnny seems to be two different people when his sober and when he drunk/ high, which Amber says he was each time he was abusive.
So,
according to a lokal newspaper Mr Depp
And his Hollywood band are playing in Stockholm this very moment!
Curious to read about it later on. I
Wonder whether there was a decent
audience or not?
Let’s lay out two hypothetical scenarios and just see which one seems more plausible.
Scenario #1. A man with a documented and self-confessed lifelong history of paranoia, rage, mood instability, and substance abuse becomes increasingly dependent upon alcohol and cocaine as he reaches middle age. Given his turbulent relationship history — proposing to most women he dated, not being alone in between relationships, and having few relationships lasting more than a couple of years — it’s unsurprising that he eventually leaves his long-term partner. He then marries a much younger woman who likes to party, which he’s totally down with — but, to his dismay, she also likes to party and be with her friends, not just him. As he turns more to drink and drugs, his (confessed) paranoia and jealousy increase, and his partner is not able to be a grounding influence for him. His mother dies, and he gets wasted. He gets into an argument with his wife, it starts to spiral out of control, and he eventually gets so angry that he throws his phone at her and screams at her. Friends come in and are eventually able to defuse the situation. The wife tries to quietly file for divorce without making the fight public knowledge, but her hand is forced by the public response of her husband’s defense team.
Scenario #2. A 26-year-old woman marries a much older man, who has a troubled history of substance abuse and rage. She has no pre-nup with her husband, which under her state’s law entitles her to half of the marital assets in case of divorce. She comes up with a plan to fake abuse at her husband’s hands and makes sure she gets several witnesses to help her come up with a story, fake some bruises, destroy possessions in her house, and take pictures. She then asks for a divorce with spousal support totaling far less than half of the marital assets (to which she would be entitled) and when her request is denied, she unleashes her failsafe backup plan — going public with the false abuse allegations. After all, she knows that there’s no figure more sympathetic than an already-unpopular young woman publicly accusing a beloved, wealthy, and powerful man of domestic violence.
🙂
Due process of law. My own sister in law tried to talk me into accusing my x of child abuse. There are bad ass people out there. Both sexes. Dont support someone because they are male or female. Wait until the facts are in. Johnny’s friend could be lying, but then again so could hers.
Amber’s lawyer denies unequivocally false claim that she is blackmailing him:
http://www.thewrap.com/amber-heard-denies-unequivocally-false-claim-that-she-is-blackmailing-johnny-depp-exclusive/
We can’t read the whole letter though:/ And I still don’t understand what Doug means when he says that he was there because he didn’t witness anything when it happened. Being there hours before doesn’t make a person a witness.
If you’ve ever heard Doug Stanhope’s comedy, this defense should come as no surprise. He’s got a deep well of demons, like Depp. Ugh. Not excusing it at all, btw.
Yes sweet Johnny Depp, who fled town the day after River Phoenix died of an overdose in front of Depp’s bar the Viper Room, like the true caring soul he is, is such an innocent rose he couldn’t help but allow himself to be had by this “manipulative a**hole” of a woman.
I fully expect his PR team to claim tomorrow that Depp will be paying for sweet dead gorilla Harambe’s burial.
It would be funny if it weren’t because baby faced innocent he is not. Neither is she, of course, but she’s playing with A listers in both senses of the word and not ready for that. Amber bit off more than could chew here.
“Amber bit off more than could chew here.” I would say that it is too soon to say that.
Paul Bettany has every right to defend his friend. Im sure his wife is fine.
How the mighty have fallen. Johnny has just joined a long line of actors whose PR machines made them untouchable until they weren’t– Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson, Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, John Travolta, Dustin Hoffman, Charlie Sheen, ect. Now we all know them to be the trashy human beings they always were. Maybe they don’t deserve those millions after all.
Hey, Doug Stanhope, you just made your friend Johnny Depp look paranoid and angry which kind of fits the mood Amber saw him in when he showed up. Going on about not wanting to upset the emperor makes you look more like a hanger on than a true friend.
I think Depp was mad he was losing his trophy and was worried she would reveal the secrets about the past times he abused her, so he showed up and went nuts. Let’s say she is a gold digging opportunist and a bitch. Doesn’t mean he didn’t physically harm her.
Someone who cares about Mr. Depp should make an appointment for him to see a neurologist. I think Mr. Depp is several years into frontotemporal dementia, behavioral variant (bvFTD), a devastating, not uncommon disease that typically strikes people in their 40s to 60s, but is often mistaken for a midlife crisis.
His halting, stuttering, meandering speech in an interview I saw, and his inability to process anything more than simple, one-sentence questions suggests that this horrific disease is infiltrating his left temporal lobe now, the language center.
The Alzheimer organizations were almost too successful because we were taught to think that dementia means memory loss in the old, not a profound personality change and very bad behavior in the prime of life.
A guy who admits he is in JD’s pocket rushes to JD’s defence and we are supposed to believe him?
Just found some conflicting info about the Police report but it doesn’t say where they got that info.
http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/05/27/johnny-depp-paid-amber-heard-abuse-domestic-violence/
“When police arrived at the scene, they reportedly found the place “trashed” and advised Amber to make a statement. Later that night two cops showed up to check on her. “
depp makes me wanna barf!!!! notice how this A%%hole is being silient! has for Doug Stanhope’s a$$ unless he is sleeping with depp please shut the $u$k up!!!!
We tell dv victims to come forward then calling them liars what the f^&k is wrong with picture? I stand with amber.
I found an interesting quote from a Tim Burton interview about Johnny and Winona in 1997 (the source can be tracked online), where he says that Winona kept him calm and cool, not like out of control. “I feel Johnny got arrested because Kate couldn’t stop him from being wild and free. Winona could. There was one night, and Johnny was really drunk, he was shouting ‘Winona! Winona! Winona! with Kate stood right there. They got into a terrible argument.”
So basically the women in this guy’s life made it their job (and even other people considered it was their job) to “take care of him”, calm him down, keep him in control… He surrounded himself with enablers, which accounts for his exes (Vanessa, first wife, Sherilyn) now making a united front to defend him.
It’s actually shocking how he could remain so beloved and keep his public image so untarnished for so long. It shows how the society still glorifies addiction issues and violent personalities. The fact that he could be nice and gentle in certain environments and violent and uncontrollable in others is quite standard for this type of person, actually. We need to expand knowledge and discussion on these issues.
I guess it was possible for older starts to keep some things private because in the past there was less scrutiny, no social media or media specialized in gossip like today.
Thanks for the info, it really reinforces what we already knew from other interviews. Being Tim Burton to say it though, surprises me. “In the old” days people weren’t as self aware about this matters.