In March 2015, there was an official announcement that Johnny Depp had hurt his hand while in Australia for the new Pirates of the Caribbean movie. Keep in mind the time line – this would have been one month after he married Amber Heard, and he injured his hand just a few weeks into the new production. The studio insisted that Depp did not hurt his hand on the production though, they said he hurt his hand in his private time. Back then, it was a big deal because Depp had to leave Australia to get surgery on his hand and it was going to (slightly) screw up the production. So what really happened? Sources told Entertainment Tonight that the March 2015 hand injury came from a fight he had with Amber, just a month into their marriage.
Sources tell ET that Amber Heard told some close friends that Johnny Depp injured his hand punching a wall during an argument they had in Australia last March 2015, when the 52-year-old actor was filming Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Men Tell No Tales. Depp did in fact suffer an injury to his right hand last March, and had to fly back to the United States to receive medical treatment and surgery, ET confirmed at the time. While details surrounding Depp’s injury were never revealed, the injury was not sustained during filming, it was reported. The injury cut into filming for over a month after Depp needed a pin inserted in a finger. ET has reached out to both Heard and Depp’s reps.
CB found a photo of Amber in April 2015 where it appears she has scratches on her arms following that March confrontation (or perhaps another abusive session). I’m including that at the end of the post. Meanwhile, Page Six spoke to another (unnamed) Heard friend who says Amber was visually battered and bruised last December following an incident where Depp tried to suffocate her.
Amber Heard was the victim of Johnny Depp’s drunken temper in the past, including a terrifying episode when he attempted to smother her with a pillow, her pal told The Post in an exclusive interview Tuesday. Heard texted the woman during the alleged attack last December, and the concerned friend rushed to the couple’s LA pad, where she claims she discovered Heard battered and bruised. [This is likely the incident Amber referred to in her petition last week, the December incident where she feared for her life.]
“I got to her apartment to find her with a cut and bruised lip, a swollen eye and a chunk of hair missing from the top of her head,” the friend recalled. “This incident really stuck with me because she confided in me that day that she feared for her life after an intoxicated Johnny tried to suffocate her with a pillow.”
It was hardly the only time a boozed-up and ready-to-rumble Depp, 52, laid his hands on her, the pal claims.
“I have personally witnessed the aftermath of Johnny Depp’s violent and abusive behavior towards her on many occasions,” the confidante said of Heard, 30.
People Magazine’s cover story this week is about the Depp-Heard divorce, and they got access to some photos of Amber following this December attack – go here to see. This is probably one of the reasons why Johnny Depp hated the fact that Amber had such a tight group of female friends. They’re all potential witnesses to his abuse to varying degrees. While I didn’t need these stories to believe Amber, I guess it might help Amber if more specific details of Depp’s violent tendencies come to light, because his PR/crisis management has been working overtime to discredit Amber and rally people to Team Depp. Speaking of, Page Six had a gross story about the aftermath of Doug Stanhope’s “Amber is blackmailing Johnny” column. You can read it here – apparently, all of Stanhope’s comedy friends think he’s a mensch for defending Depp.
This is a photo of Amber in April 2015 – note the scratches on her arm. (Thanks to commenter mm for pointing this out.)
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
Jesus christ, this is so depressing. I just hope she’s okay and taking care of herself.
Very sad, indeed. I hope she is getting the help she needs. I hope Johnny gets the help he needs. What will happen to the next woman he dates, or the one after that?
This is the thing that nobody is talking about because we’re too busy being rightfully outraged on Amber’s behalf.
Johnny needs intense treatment for his addiction issues in addition to ongoing anger management classes.
I get that it’s tempting to angrily declare that we should lock him in jail and throw away the key, but that does nothing to effectively address his issues. Nor does it protect his next victim. And there WILL be a next victim.
If this Stanhope turd really cared so much about his friend he’d be organizing an intervention right now.
Kitten: during his relationship with Kate Moss, he was arrested 3 times for violent incidents and ordered into anger management lessons. Clearly the lessons didn’t take.
Well, the anger management has to happen in conjunction with a commitment to sobriety.
Otherwise, it’s useless.
But this stuff about the suffocating……I don’t know. It seems maybe you can’t come back from that. JD is one sick dude. And he is wealthy beyond anything you or I could understand. Think of the circle protecting him and the power and influence he has without having to do a thing. How long has he been like this? In need of mental help I mean. And what kind of damage has already been done to his brain from alcohol abuse, not to mention the sense of entitlement he has from decades of NEVER being called out for his actions. I dunno…. He seems beyond help to me.
He’s disgusting.
I agree with Kitten. I think he is violent in conjuncture with substance abuse and he needs treatment for both.
There was some source close to Amber who said their relationship was wonderful in the beginning when he was sober, Then as he fell off the wagon and she didn’t recognise the man she fell for. This is perhaps also why Vanessa is saying that she didnt experience the violence.
@ LAK
He wasn’t sober at all when he was with Moss. And don’t forget Moss has also trashed hotel rooms (without Depp) and allegedly got into physical altercations. Some of the other people she has dated like Docherty was also accused of violence.Violence is quite common amongst addicts/hard partying individuals.
Ozzy Osbourne did similar things to Sharon when he was an active addict. Someone mentioned that Ringo Starr was violent when he was an addict. Depp can absolutely come back from this as a human being. But he needs to tackle his addictions head on asap.
I agree with Kitten. I’m angry with Johnny, definitely, and I think all abusers should face consequences. But having been married to a man who gradually grew violent due to drug and alcohol abuse, I think the safest thing for everyone is to get him straight, if possible. He’s only going to grow more dangerous.
You should all read this old profile:
http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20104049,00.html
Indeed without sobriety nothing will change. The further question is whether he can have much insight into his problems at this point. Alcohol changes the brain, and if he’s had a lifetime of heavy drinking, his frontal lobes (judgment, reason and impulse control) are smaller than they were when he was young, and there’s impaired communication overall. That would make him truly a sick man, on many levels. His friends are enablers, not friends.
If he rages because of the alchol, hope he gets the help he needs as well. Some abusers can’t be rehabbed but if his abuse is tied to his addiction, think there is hope for him. Abusers and addicts often surround themselves with people that worship so they don’t need to get clean. The dude needs to get real help and shame SHAME on his so called worshipper friends supporting his downward spiral and blindly feeding into the myth he doesn’t have a problem. Those are not friends they’re enablers.
I just recalled an incident from the late 90s, during which Depp and a pregnant Vanessa were at a restaurant and Depp was annoyed by the presence of photographers outside, so he took a piece of plywood that was propping open the restaurant’s door and began swinging it at them. I believe he was arrested for that one, but the point is—he has a long and well-documented history of violent and erratic behavior, and it’s extremely sad that those around him have enabled it for so long without thinking of how his actions have/could really hurt others.
Cindy is correct. If he’s at a point where he’s SUFFOCATING her? That’s deep sh!t. That’s scary. This goes way beyond sobriety
I agree, I can’t believe the media is trying to paint Amber as some psychotic woman, even with photo evidence staring them in the face. Meanwhile his daughter Lily Rose is posting a couple of things in defense of Johnny. She even posted an article about how Amber never reported anything to the police.
His daughter is a teenager and she believes her dad. She is allowed to defend him, in fact most of us would do the same put in the same situation and at the same age. I think people should let her be.
I’m not attacking her at all just pointing it out. If she’s putting such declarations on a public Instagram page then people have a right to comment on it. Simple as that.
Assuming you are an adult and she’s a minor. I think we as adults shouldn’t drag her into our comments in a negative way just because she’s defending her dad. Ultimately she and her brother are victims of his actions too.
How exactly did I say anything negative? Just pointing out that she posted something on IG is negative? I didn’t call her names, didn’t say anything derogatory. I think you’re reaching for something to be upset about. The real issue is Amber and Johnny and not arguing over semantics. Mentioning something in passing regarding Lily Rose is in no way negative.
“Meanwhile Lily Rose is…” is nothing. That’s his kid. This is what she is going to do. This is what any kid who loves their parent does, right or wrong side of issues. You or me or anyone pointing out any statement she makes and to make issue of it in anyway isn’t needed, it isn’t the core of what is wrong in this whole situation. She’s just trying – in her way- to protect her dad.
There really is no reasoning with people on the internet. My words got completely twisted when I wasn’t being negative or derogatory to his daughter in any way shape or form. Falling on deaf ears and I’m done with this conversation. She is a public persona and people will comment or reference her as they see fit. It was an innocuous statement. Have a nice day!
I’m a tad disturbed that they chose the abuse photo for the cover. I hope they got the okay from Amber for this because this is probably hard enough for her. Anyways the more details that come out the worse and sadder I become
It is all just so desperately sad. Imagine, for a moment, what Heard must have been going through and now being revictimised by Depp fans blindly hissing any smear against her.
The new text messages – talking about him kicking her and then being described as a poor boy are just the worst.
Poor, poor Amber
Sickening. This whole saga is making me increasingly uncomfortable, especially how it’s playing out in the press, because the press is in a feeding frenzy for new scoops, even though DV is extremely serious and painful and shouldn’t be about generating revenue for your magazine. Or even trying to sway the public’s opinion. Who cares what the public’s opinion is? The only thing that matters is the truth, which (sometimes) can be found in a court of law.
–TheRealPinky
I think this sounds naive. Public opinion does matter, as there is a lot of money on the table.
Disney has invested millions of dollars into Johnny’s Pirates franchise and if he comes off as Mel Gibson then they will lose potential ticket sales due to the public no longer having a favorable image of him. His team will continue to seek to discredit and destroy Amber’s credibility so he can come out “on top”.
As for Amber, she is currently being dragged by Depp’s team. If you’re being publicly smeared and you have evidence that you’re a victim of abuse it’s only human to want to clear your name. To not want to see your abuser be exalted and exonerated by the public as you are dismissed as someone who is stirring up drama. Furthermore, her career is on the line. Johnny is powerful in Hollywood, if he crushes her in the court of public opinion her Aquaman role and others will be gone. If she stays favorable she MIGHT be able to continue working as an actress as she has for the last 13 years. That is her livelihood.
The truth is not found in a court of law. Take this from an attorney. We even joke that there are four sides to every story: the plaintiff’s side, the defendant’s side, the truth (which rarely sees the light of day) and some amalgamation of the three which is the court’s version.
Good for her that she actually documented the injuries and bruises for the world to see. If I’d been scratched or hurt like that, I’d be inclined to “cover up” just out of embarrassment. But maybe she knew deep inside that she would need it later.
I don’t understand why he’d marry a much younger, beautiful woman, only to end up insecure and crazy about it. This is dreadful.
He used to be with beautiful women his own age, and he was insecure and crazy about it then too. This isn’t about his age, it’s about his sickness.
@who are these people: Kate Moss and Winona Ryder (if these are the women you are referring too) are not his age… they are 10 years younger!!! so is Vanessa!
he was quite rarely with women his age, always younger than him
But they aren’t actually documented unless you seek medical attention or are at least examined by a doctor. These photos prove nothing.
@Zwella Ingrid
I repeat: women like you are lost. I pray you never date/marry an abuser.
If she has gone to a doctor, where will you move the goal-post to next I wonder? Would you insist that we are in the room for the next punch before the case is proven??
@ Zwella- “But they aren’t actually documented unless you seek medical attention or are at least examined by a doctor. These photos prove nothing.”
You are holding a burden a proof that even our court system doesn’t uphold….even from civil vs criminal and that’s some serious burden of proof.
In your world nothing bad would ever be proven unless it was videotaped, while someone else videotaped that person- That doesn’t happen very often during rapes…so maybe rapes never happen?!
To add to Truthfuls comment, both Kate Moss and Winona Ryder were teenagers when he started dating them. In both cases he was significantly older than them. They both reported that he was prone to tantrums. Of course a teen will read a grown mans tantrums as romantic fits of passion, no wonder he was drawn to this age range
So if he had just paid her demand she would have shelved all these photos? NOTE TO ALL ABUSE VICTIMS: GET OUT THE FIRST TIME!
Easier said than done…..
You either walk out or get rolled out on a guerney. We offered all kinds of help to a woman for years before her husband killed her. There are plenty of resources for D V victims but the victim has to get out! Empower yourselves or someone you know to leave♡
It’s clear they are both playing the media. Although it’s clear he abused her I honestly don’t believe that she is innocent. All of the things you listed are from her sources and it’s weird that picture looks like it was taken in a studio. I just want all the facts to come out before I make a judgement.
Sorry but this is irritating. Firstly, if you see the series of photos they are taken in a bathroom and home. Secondly, innocent? What the hell? Are only “innocent” women worthy of our support when they suffer domestic abuse? Who the hell is innocent anyways? Someone can be awful and unlikeable and they still don’t deserve to be hit or hurt by their partner. Why is it so difficult to believe? He is a history of rages and smashing things up, she has numerous photos detailing injuries. What is it that makes it so hard for you to believe her story? That she’s not an innocent angel? Ridiculous.
THIS!
He does not have the right to put his hands on her. Even if she married him for money and fame, he does not have the right to put his hands on her. Even if she was sex worker he paid for, he does not have the right to put his hands on her.
Women don’t have be innocent snowflakes to be considered a “legitimate victim” of abuse! Come on.. Sheesh!
Perfectly said.
Yes! It plays into misogyny and denial to argue about the “innocence” of women victims. Tear down their “innocence” to support the fiction that abuse only happens to the guilty. Blaming the victim.
As Kitten (?) pointed out on another post, this whole thing is really highlighting the madonna/whore dichotomy. It’s sick and sad, old fashioned and ridiculous, but here we are in 2016 with people legitimately confused about how a woman they classify as a “whore” can be a victim.
Yes, exactly!
I work with victims. Their fear of not being believed is huge.
Their abuser destroys so much of them that they often have little left of themselves. Denying a victim their trauma and lived experience because you liked how an actor played a character in a movie is grotesque.
“It’s clear he abused her..”
You should have just stopped there. There is NO justification for abusing someone ever. The end.
‘although it’s clear he abused her I honestly don’t believe that she is innocent’.
What crime could Amber be guilty of that would justify her husband beating her up, and, according to this report, trying to smother her? And then dragging her name through the mud in the press when she had tried to settle things quietly and privately?
It’s such an odd statement to make. Basically, “although he is wrong I don’t believe that she is right.” Or, “Although he attacked her I don’t believe she didn’t deserve it.” Parsed another way, “If he hit her, she deserved it” or “she made him do it.”
This is 2016, people. Women are no longer the property of men. We vote, we work, we are neither angels nor devils, and we do not bring abuse upon ourselves.
So if she’s not “innocent,” then what? She’s guilty? Of what?
What other facts are you waiting for? She told her side, she had witnesses corroborate, calls to the police, and there are pictures. Yeah, let’s make domestic abuse victims also have video recording and a signed confession.
Its ridiculous the bar placed on vicitms on gender violence. But even if you pass that bar, you are still screwed. Amber could have footage and people would still slam her and defend him. Remember when Mike Tyson ADMITTED to hitting Robin Givens in a television interview and then recanted it after she left him? His supporters to this day still litter Robins youtube videos with comments like “you tricked Mike into admitting DV so that you could get a sweet alimony deal”.
Once, the public sets up their idol and the idol happens to be male, its damn near impossible to bring them down. I love Amber for even trying but she will forever be the “villain” in this story (unless Depp becomes a repeat offender like Charlie Sheen or Mel Gibson. The best she can hope for is a cash settlement that allows her to move back to Texas and live her life comfortably in anonymity.
Innocent of what???
There is NOTHING any man or woman can do that justifies domestic abuse. NOTHING.
Maybe she was visiting a friend at a studio and they convinced her to photograph the bruise.
Maybe she has one of those ring lights and got good lighting from that.
They did the right thing: she didn’t want to go to the police, but they tried to take some evidence at least. I would have done the same.
looking at the pics, it seems that People blacked out the background for the coverphoto with photoshop and softened the lighting of the flash. Imo they should have stated that in a foot-note, because it’s rather misleading.
Yeah, I mean, it’s almost like they wanted to make the photo fit the magazine. I’m honestly baffled that people are surprised by this – would they have preferred it have the background left in and end part way up the cover with a harsh colored background?
I literally just finished doing the same thing to make an image work for a website banner.
oh I’m not surprised at all, I work in media. I understand that the picture needs to have a certain appeal to be a coverphoto.
but with the little text next to her face they make it seem like that pic is exactly taken by the friend and is evidence, which it’s not. I only take offence with the text.
There’s a great documentary about domestic violence called, “The Perfect Victim.” I suggest you watch it.
Also one called “Every F-ing Day of My Life.”
@ Sammy B
I honestly believe that women like you are lost. There is no justification for physical violence against any woman – PERIOD. No ifs, no buts, no maybes and certainly no ‘I honestly don’t believe that she is innocent’. How does that equate to her getting punched in the face by a thug??
That you would defend a man you don’t know makes me wonder about the men you do know. If a man you do know is battering his wife/girlfriend, would you intervene or pretend you can’t see? I’m grateful that I don’t live in your world so will never have to find out.
Forget about her imagined ‘slights’ and tell me why she is guilty enough to warrant a physical beating!
Please don’t attack the poster because her point of view is different from your own. Everyone on here should be able to post their point of view without being verbally attacked.
@ Zwella Ingrid
Funny how people like you have suddenly turned up from nowhere. Feel free to move right along mate and stay out of my posts. Feel free to skip right along – nobody cares…..
I agree with Zwella about not attacking the poster – and I have been on this site for years.
You are 100% right. Why didn’t she leave him last year? The court documents are showing that she is broke and is living beyond her means spending HIS money. Oh, there you go I guess we have an answer.
So she deserves the beatings, yes?
There are many women on the site who are SAHMs whilst their husbands bring home the money. As they are spending their husbands money, should they also be prepared to take the odd beating as well??
@BritAfrica
Did I say “she deserves the beatings”? No.
They are not average people let’s face it. What I read she has a lot of friends who could help her but she chose to stay with him. Why? It looks like she was waiting for “the right moment” to leave him. Sorry but big money always change the big picture and make things less black and white in my opinion. You just can’t escape or ignore the question about her motives.
How very naive of you! It is rarely that simple. I mean to the outside world it may look that simple but when you’re living with it, life is not simple at all. I lived with an abusive man for 6 years and he was abusive for about 5 of those years. Why didn’t I leave? My friends asked me that all the time. Even I can’t fully explain it. All I can explain is that you end up mentally broken. They have a massive psychological hold over you.
From the outside I can see it now for what it is but at the time he had me convinced it was mostly my fault and I couldn’t survive without him. Even the strongest women can be blindsided by an abusive man. Nobody can see it coming. If they could, what person in their right mind would go into it.
I fully understand Amber’s actions here and feel queasy every time I read people accusing her of lying. I should think she is angry. She’s been the victim for long enough and now she wants to come out on top. Why wouldn’t she she want that? She probably felt worthless and now she is out to prove otherwise.
You should read up on domestic abuse before you come here making such ignorant comments specially as many people here have shared their own abuse stories and its unfair to make them read your bull
The court docs say no such thing. She is worth millions and only asked for what is legally allowed under California divorce law, which is 50% of assets obtained during the marriage.
In addition, you ask why she didn’t leave him…. I could spend paragraphs detailing why DV victims do not leave their relationships…. but JHC, if you haven’t picked up on that by now it is unlikely that I’ll be able to educate you over the internet. Needless to say it’s incredibly disappointing to read a comment like that coming from a woman. Have you no empathy?
She can leave – or he can leave her, why didn’t HE do that? – anytime she wants. This last ragey beating was obviously the final straw, and she was out.
Does she need to have a certain limit on beatings and violent rages, before she has permission to leave? Like is there a number that makes it more or less acceptable to you? What is this ‘right moment’ of which you speak.
As far as his money goes, tough luck Johnny. Should have listened to your staff and signed a PRE NUP before you married. But like everything else he never listens to anyone and does exactly as he wants. You’d think his fans would comment on his lack of accountability on just about anything he does. She’s entitled to what she gets under CA divorce law, abuse or not.
Wow! I bet you have never been the victim of DV or abuse. If he was capable of trying to kill her, trust me he’s capable of threatening she’d never work again if she left him.. Maybe she was too afraid to leave him, maybe she thought she could change him.. unless you’ve been s victim you may not know how crazy and unreal it seems at times while other times things are so good you think you can deal with the bad. The abusers are very good at mind games. I hope you never find yourself in such a situation. Sadly though it is hard for those to truly understand if you haven’t. I do hope Johnny gets the help he needs. But if he is anything like my father and the boyfriend I got rid of, I doubt he will. Too many enablers on the money train & because most abusers don’t want to believe they can get that bad when drinking, that somehow the victim provoked it ( yeah I was breathing). Another reason we find it hard to leave is because we know how charming the abusers can be and we are made out to be the bad guy, even after my dad admitted what happened.. I lost my siblings & family & they still deny it blaming me How could I put that guilt on my dad? I can’t imagine going against someone so wealthy & famous.
Rather then asking why she didn’t leave, how about we ask why he kept beating her?!
Do you know anything at all about the behavior of abuse victims? More likely than not they STAY with the abuser. They rarely if ever leave after the 1st time, the 2nd time, etc…..FACTS matter and can you please list a source of any kind where women leave abuse situation early on? go ahead look it up I dare you in fact I hope you do more research and read real facts instead of basing a abuse victims choice on what you think they should do.
@Zwella-of course they do, but when they post an opinion that is idiotic, ignorant and misinformed, others likewise have the right to call them out on it. Someone disagreeing with your opinion does not constitute a “verbal attack”.
Survivors of domestic abuse stay in relationships that are degrading dangerous and damaging because the believe they can see the good person inside their abuser. Often they think they can love their abuser better. They believe that it will get better that he will seek help, stop using, listen.
Over time their confidence is eroded and they carry the burden not only of the abuse they are suffering but also for covering up for their abuser. They often try to have perfect days day at a time to prevent the abuser from behaving in a violent threatening cruel or coercive manner.
It never works. The survivor shoulders that blame too. Everything becomes skewed.
Also remember that many women and some men aren’t survivors
I question whether what you’re saying is even true because it seems like Amber Heard has been paying for a lot of her own expenses during the marriage, but you do realize that this is actually really standard abusive behavior, right? Abusers intentionally isolate their victims and make them as dependent on them as possible in order to make them feel like they have no way out, and I’m surprised that so many people who are reading her possible financial needs/dependence on him as “gold-digging” behavior seem to be completely overlooking this. And while I can’t say that’s what’s happening for sure, the fact that Johnny seems so reluctant to give her the paltry (at least to him) amount that she’s requesting and entitled to makes me think that this is very likely to be the case.
Comments like this irritate me to no end. What does she need to be innocent of exactly?
The reality is that Amber has done everything that victims of domestic violence are told to do. Despite that people are still attacking her.
@jenni Your comment about big money changing the picture!? This is the biggest fail of an argument, and I keep seeing it repeated. IF she was in for the big money, IF she was playing the long con, why on earth would she make up a story and bail after 15 months??? She has everything to lose by making these claims, notably her career. If she was in it for the money, she would have stayed longer and quietly bled him dry.
@Melanie honestly she could have offed him and been left a rich widow, so much easier than all this and far more profitable.
I’m serious – if Depp fell ‘accidentally’ into a pool, or died in his sleep suddenly after an all-nighter or a binge, would anyone think anything shady of it? I know I wouldn’t have been shocked. If Amber is so ‘evil’ and ‘greedy’ there were easier ways than this to get rid of Depp AND land his money, and keep her career. No joke.
Exactly Merritt. They always say to get pictures, witnesses or some kind of prove. Amber does all of that and now people are trying to use that as a prove she is lying?!! This world is just f*ck up.
Do you feel a woman is culpable in her rape if she wears revealing clothes, too?
And that little girls are “provocative” to their abusers?
Or drunk… And if she is both she definitely had that coming. (sarcasm)
There is no justification for domestic abuse. I’m not sure what being “innocent” means in a case like this; but even someone you may consider a “guilty party” does not deserve to be abused.
In what universe is she culpable for his abuse of her? She’s not innocent? She may not be perfect, but there is NO excuse for his behavior, and nothing she did or didn’t do would justify his actions.
I was in a relationship when young in which the guy started to show controlling, manipulative behavior. At first I tried to work around it, but ultimately I came to the realization that it didn’t matter what I did, it had nothing to do with me and my behavior. He was going to what he was doing just because he felt like it. It was liberating, and I left.
We need to stop making women feel responsible for the health or sickness, success or failure, of their relationships with men. It plays into the hands of abusers and the people who excuse their abuse.
This awful comment reminds me of a quote made by the character Stella in the series The Fall, Stella questions the use of the word ‘innocent’ in describing the killer’s victims:”‘Let’s not refer to them as innocent…What if he kills a prostitute next or a woman walking home drunk, late at night, in a short skirt? Will they be in some way less innocent, therefore less deserving? Culpable? The media loves to divide women into virgins and vamps, angels or whores. Let’s not encourage them.”
Exactly!
“Oh, you’re hardly innocent in this” is the exact argument my parents used to justify abusing me as a kid. I was somehow “equally culpable” if not outright responsible. If only I had been a better child, they wouldn’t have HAD to abuse me. If only they had gotten an angelic child, like all the other parents, who were only being kind and loving because they were blessed with perfect children.
Here’s a newsflash: the difference between the children who do get abused and those who don’t, is not in the kind of children they are, but in the kind of parents they have.
@ Erandyn: I’m terribly sorry you had to go through this, and immensely proud of you for growing into an adult so well-adjusted that you wrote your wonderful, spot-on last sentence.
<3 to you.
Erandyn, I was also told similar nonsense when I was a child. Thanks for your comment, it will help me elucidate the situation when I’m in therapy this week. 😉
“It is clear he abused her, BUT.”
Whenever someone puts a qualifying sentence after something of that nature, they are wrong. There is no qualifier.
Abuse is a crime. You can’t invite it. It isn’t justifiable. There can be no buts.
Shit is getting serious 🙁
…getting?
This makes me so sad and angry. The treatment of this outside sites like this has been disgusting. I hope she has more proof so that all of those slavering idiots can eat their words.
Yes. This morning’s DM reader posts are depressing and scary. One said, “He should have finished the job.”
Even worse: It got numerous “up” arrows.
The DM, or daily vile as I call it, has always been totally misogynistic but is reaching new lows in the coverage of this.
I wouldn’t worry about the Daily Fail. It is the home of the white middle-aged balding working class misogynistic male. You know, the one who is so hard done by! I call them the new minority and nobody cares what they think except Nigel FaRage…..
A little besides the point I guess, but “working class”?? The Mail has long been the quintessential rag of the upper middle-class elitist, homophobic and racist male. The working classes are frequently dragged by the Mail, especially any working class individual that manages to scrape “above their station”.
I’ve been encouraged by the coverage and comments at ONTD too. Nice to see so many millenials supporting Amber & domestic violence victims. Scary to read so many comments there from women in their early and mid twenties who have first-hand experience of DV.
ONTD is one of the few supporting Amber.
People commenters are horrible, too.
I’m just having major OJ flashbacks through all of this. I remember hearing Nicole’s voice on those 911 tapes saying “it’s OJ, I think you know who he is, you’ve been here before” or something like that. The tone of her voice haunted me, like she knew she was in for a beating and called for help, but didn’t expect she’d get any. After everything we saw and heard from that trial, I was naive enough to think that attitudes had changed regarding the victim. How wrong I was. I have to stop reading comments on other sites, I’m losing hope for humanity.
If anyone second guesses Amber’s reasons for staying, for not leaving sooner, I suggest they go back and review Nicole Brown’s statements to family and friends. Even divorcing that monster didn’t save Nicole’s life.
Melanie your comments stuck with me. You are absolutely right and most lose sight of the fact, that merely getting away and/or divorcing an abuser does not guarantee he still will not continue the abuse. Several years ago a woman who worked in a office in the same building where I worked, was paid a visit by her ex-husband and both of them left in body bags. He came to kill her and then kill himself – he succeeded. Friends say she was happier than she’d been in years because she had successfully “gotten” away from him.
Even setting aside the comments sections of a lot of those sites, the coverage has been very skeptical of Amber. I feel like this site should be required reading for young professional bloggers and journalists because THIS is how you cover DV. Honestly I couldnt be prouder of CB and Kaiser.
+1
Amen, I second your comment The coverage here should be required reading for skit of people..
I agree. Keep it up.
Yeah. It’s been a sanctuary.
Thank you CB and the posters here. This story has been triggering not good memories and feelings for many of us. I hope Amber and her friends are reading CB. Heaven knows Johnny and his troll squad are!
That’s why I always come back to this site. Thumbs up to the writers here.
Completely agree. And thank you, CB.
I’ve read CB for years but never felt compelled to comment before. This story resonates with me on a personal level (as obviously it has done for many others), and I was horrified at the coverage and comments from most of my other gossip sites. I almost cried with relief when I saw the articles and comments here.
@Britafrica,– “balding”??? I don’t get why the amount of hair on a person’s head would determine if they are a sh!tty individual or not.
Should your cellulite and stretch marks automatically classify you as a lazy and low class human being? I certainly hope not.
I know tons of lovely, sensitive men of ALL ages who are thinning out on top, BFD! Balding doesn’t equal bad…grow up, dear.
I took it that it was a P1ss take of the DM – the way they always describe women in terms of their appearance…. She wore her long brown hair loose, she wore tight trousers that showed off her …blah blah. Men never get described in the same way in that rag.
@Bald-that’s SERIOUSLY what you took from this entire comment thread? What an astoundingly tone-deaf and self-centred comment. This is neither the time nor the place for that diatribe. And to make it even worse, you had to resort to an ad hominem attack-how on earth would you know if she has cellulite and stretch marks?
Thank you Muppet and Starkiller. Some of the ‘new’ posters on here are so far up their own a@@.
A woman is being beaten up but let’s change the topic because it’s too uncomfortable to deal with.
TMZ is doubling down on heir support for Depp, even after ET and People have reported other instances of abuse. Page Six is as well licking Depps boots. Disgusting.
Me too. I have read so many comments about how she is a liar, golddigger, she was the one who abused him, she has a history of this type of behaviour, her bruises changed location, her bruises were gone etc. It is sick. I had to block someone because even though they claimed not to be taking sides, according to them she has a movie coming out and is looking for publicity and she is only doing this because JD refused to pay her spousal support. A couple of the commenters that stuck out to me was one saying that she didn’t care because JD is a great actor and whatever goes on in his personal life is irrelevant and another person said he didn’t abuse Amber but if he did there must have been a reason. Smh. People obviously forgot about Johnny’s past if they keep saying what a sweet kind person he is who would never do anything violent. I weep for humanity. This is why domestic violence needs to be talked about more. People know nothing about it and make such ignorant statements.
Also leave it to the comment sections to be filled with people experiencing rare occurrences. I can’t even count how many people have apparently known a woman (sometimes multiple women) who hurt herself to get revenge on her husband/boyfriend/partner. It’s amazing.
The Australian newspapers at the time (March 15) reported Depp injured his hand punching a wall/glass door at motorcyclist Mick Doohans place after fighting on the phone with Amber. This guy doesn’t sound like he has anger and violence issues at all (sarcasm.)
So, she wasn’t even in the country then? The article made it sound like they were together for the arguement.
it seems there are about 4-5 versions of the incident going around
She may have been in the country but the suggestion from the Courier Mail Australian newspaper was that the fight was over the phone.
She was in London filming a moving until April 2015.
Imagine a person so angry on the phone that he punches a wall enough to break that hand.
Now imagine that level of anger in person. I’d be afraid for my life too.
Exactly. And as I commented yesterday, looking at his photos now I no longer see “intense,” I see anger. Ugly, barely contained anger. And given that he’s described that anger in some detail, it’s not a surprise.
It’s genuinely astonishing, the scepticism over this. A stack of evidence from her and a slew of circumstantial support from him. Yet people question it – because he was once Edward Scissorhands, and is still Jack Sparrow. It’s insane.
Amber was in LA when Johnny hurt his had in Australia. It was only when he came back after causing a big delay in the filming of POTC did Amber come back with him.
It was a mistory how he hurt his hand and why he need to take a 15 plus hour flight back to LA to seek medical attention instead of getting it fixed in Australia.
This may not be the place or the time to comment on this but I wondered about that, too. I’ve done that flight several times and it’s not enjoyable (and I didn’t even have the benefit of a private jet)–why on earth fly all the way back to the states for what sounds like a relatively minor procedure? It’s not as if Australia has no health care system (and in fact, it’s many times better than that of the US–I’d feel much better about getting surgery there than here!).
I believe her. I believe her. I BELIEVE HER.
Sorry, I feel the need to shout that after reading some of the comments on the People piece.
I generally avoid PEOPLE since they are all Kardashian and ‘Princess Kate’ coverage these days, but I clicked on one of the Heard/Depp articles…depressing. The first comment said Amber should have kept her mouth shut about the abuse, and the rest were even worse. That place has become a cesspool.
it’s kind of interesting that People supports the narrative that their target audience rejects though in my opinion. Usually they don’t dare to step outside of that groups hivemind, no matter what publicists have to offer.
Enlightening isn’t it? How many horrible people we have in this world, willing to dismiss and condemn a person’s story simply because it doesn’t line up with their experience of the world.
dont read the comments.
xx
It’s worth bringing up the TedX talk given by Sharyl Attkisson. Someone posted it here a few weeks ago. In it, she talks about how lots of comments and social media posts are actually paid shills who are there to sway public opinion–to make it look as if the majority of people believe a certain way.
It would not surprise me at all if Johnny’s PR firm is paying people to be anti-Amber in comment sections of prominent websites.
Interesting that even the nastiest supporters of JD seem to be moving to ‘she deserved it’ from ‘it didn’t happen’ (I absolutely don’t agree anything could justify DV but when even people claiming to be on JD’s side are assuming he’s guilty, that says something).
@ samtha
that wouldn’t surprise me. On friday there were regulars on Dlisted who noticed that new commenters defending Depp were posting identical messages (long and detailed comments) on several gossip blogs. Literally copypastes.
@Sisi, I noticed that even here, certain posters were using the same phrasing to describe the situation, and going over the same points. It’s really sad.
If those are paid comments, then they are either paying semi-literate people or asking people to sound semi-literate. Really low.
@ samtha
I’ve seen it happened here, JJ and Popsuger on more than one occasion. During the Woody Alen newest scandal, when the Dugger scandal first hit the media, when the Bill Cosby scandal first happened. If you notice there’s a pattern most of these people post duplicate comments around the web for about a week or so then disappear. Like you said their supposed to plant a doubt in posters minds to sway public opinion their favor.
I remember one incident when it on a Eddie Cibriam and Brandi Glanville post, when they first split. Whenever ever posters would question Brandi actions someone who said they had inside info would post comments in Brandi favor and someone else would Co-sign for them and to sway posters in her favor. It was surprising how easy and fast posters brought the story hook line and sinker.
I thought it was odd when I read some blogs and they posted The link for this site saying it was the only crazy site of haters bashing Johnny. It was odd because they were all defending Depp, so why out if the blue post this site.. Had nothing to do w/ the article or other commenters posts.,
Some of the posting is trolls, and some is just plain ignorance. People don’t want to believe that their fave Johnny Depp – Captain Jack, the sweet Mad Hatter – is capable of such awful things. They can’t make the distinction between the actor and real life person and the characters he plays. It’s a weakness that many have and is playing out in the blogosphere.
You bet if it was their daughter, sister or mother in Amber’s place they’d be screaming to the hills for justice to have the abuser stopped. It’s the celebrity obsession angle affecting their judgment and playing out here – people can’t live in reality.
Think a lot of these outside boards have been infested with Red Pillers and Mens rights basement dwellers. They’re all over the story of course supporting Depp.
“You bet if it was their daughter, sister or mother in Amber’s place they’d be screaming to the hills for justice to have the abuser stopped. It’s the celebrity obsession angle affecting their judgment and playing out here – people can’t live in reality. ”
Sadly, @TheOtherSam, sometimes people refuse to see the abuse right in front of them even when the DV victim is their own daughter, sister, or mother. I’ve seen that play out in my extended family, with someone who was a local “celebrity” abusing their wife, and those around her just turned a blind eye, or if they acknowledged anything had gone on, never put any responsibility on the abuser “he was just drunk” “she must have done something to get him so mad” “he would never do anything like that” “it wasn’t that bad, I don’t know why she’s trying to stir things up” “she’s crazy and making it all up” She eventually got out and far away, thankfully.
I believe her as well. 100%. I think she’s very brave.
I believe Amber, too. Celebitchy is definitely being trolled by Depp’s peeps – especially over the last few days.
This gets worse with each passing day.
I thought his bodyguards denied this story saying that while she was on the couch Johnny was at least 20 feet away?
Wasn’t Johnny in Australia and Amber in LA when he broke his hand?
The bodyguards story is getting worse by the day. Apparently they heard the fight and her screams yet didn’t entered, when they finally did, Johnny was already on the other side of the room still screaming at her.
Those bodyguards are paid by JD, you don’t think they would lie for him.
I do believe she’s telling the truth about being abused a few weeks ago but I find the hunting for clues and evidence in older pictures and attributing every thing (scratches that could have easily been made by a dog, a hand injury that could have occurred from anything) totally irresponsible and reaching.
agreed
Sadly, it seems that this is the level of scrutiny domestic violence victims attract to try and ‘prove’ (or rather disprove) their claims. God forbid anyone believe a woman who has several witnesses, physical evidence of the most recent altercation, and has no reason to lie.
interesting that the article about the comedian starts with ‘I have no ulterior motives’ and ends with ‘his most recent book with a contribution-intro of Depp came out may 10’.
Really? I missed that part! Some a-hole on FB called me a bunch of nasty names the other day because I dared to comment that Stanhope basically admitted that he kept his mouth shut for fear of getting kicked out of the inner circle. Apparently this guy who raged at me (a friend of a friend, which is how we ended up commenting in the same place) allegedly was the victim of false DV accusations and he knows Stanhope who would NEVER say anything if it wasn’t TRUTHINESS, and so now if you don’t believe the guy first, you’re a jerk and unicorns die and the terrorists win. Or something. It was a little hard to follow due to his ragey rant.
Izzy I feel for you hon. I went thru that too. They are crazy on FB w/ the names they call Amber to the so sure he could never hurt to he should have killed her comments.
False DV accusations, huh? Just fancy that – when he sounds such a mild-mannered and reasonable guy.
EW IZZY THAT’S RIDICULOUS! I’m sorry that happened to you.
Also this: ““I just want to give Stanhope f—ing props for actually sticking up for the guy,” Burr said on his podcast on Monday. “The fact that somebody finally said, ‘Hey, this guy hasn’t been tried for anything yet, he’s a friend of mine, I know he would never do this’ — it was refreshing to finally read that.”
VOMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes poor, poor Johnny. How refreshing to hear someone defend him. Nevermind that it seems 99.9999% of commentators ARE defending him and attacking Amber.
Well spotted.
I came here to say the same thing! You beat me to it. 🙂
From the end of the Page Six “article”:
“Depp even wrote the foreword for Stanhope’s latest book, “Digging Up Mother: A Love Story,” which was released on May 10.”
My new book is out now! That JOHNNY DEPP wrote the intro for! Out now! But I have NOTHING to gain here, folks, nothing at all!
If true, massive midlife crisis I reckon. After being lauded as one of the world’s sexiest men for so long, and enjoying all the perks that go with, it must be hard be watching it all slip away. Even harder still for Amber having to be there to absorb the violence as he rages against it.
You know, before we knew about Johnny’s abuse of Amber we made SO many jokes about Scarfy and His Mid-Life Crisis, but I actually think you make an interesting point–it could have had a serious impact on his relationship with Amber.
I could see how a former heartthrob would feel threatened and insecure around a woman who is youthful, beautiful and by all accounts, independent and individualistic (all things that Johnny used to be). Perhaps he viewed Amber as an assault to his ego or maybe she reminded him of what he once was and what he’s not anymore–perhaps this both enthralled and enraged him.
Of course, I’m just speculating and just to be clear: NONE of this justifies abuse.
But I wonder how much this dynamic of old & young/haggard & beautiful played into Johnny’s feelings about himself because one thing is clear: he’s a very insecure individual. Maybe the abuse was a way of trying to destroy someone who represented something simultaneously seductive and maddening, something that reminded him of he used to be and who he no longer is.
Yes! This is exactly what I have been thinking myself. She is everything he used to be. Young, beautiful, smart, edgy, rebellious. I mean, think of Depp on 21 jump street, before all the success. Not so different from Amber…. I mean, he found her appealing and chased her for a reason right? I think he saw himself in her, all the good things he had lost, and ended up,hating her all the more for it, and took it out on her. Basically blamed her for his failed life. Hopefully it goes without saying that I don’t at all agree that this was ambers fault in any way, I just mean in depp’s twisted mind, this is what he may have seen.
“I think he saw himself in her, all the good things he had lost, and ended up,hating her all the more for it, and took it out on her.”
Exactly. You said it better than I did.
Psychology doctorates be damned. I would bet a mortgage payment we are right. I’m kidding but not kidding. 🙂
In the other Celebitchy Post on Depp and Amber today, there is a photo of Depp and Amber holding hands and she is looking up and he is looking over at her. Tell me if that photo doesn’t send shudders down your spine knowing what we know now.
Then what accounts for his violence and jealousy in relationships when he was young? We don’t need to read into his behavior much. He’s a mean drunk and he doesn’t like women.
@WATP-You don’t have to read into his behavior at all if you don’t want to. I’m certainly not forcing you to.
But I personally find it interesting to explore the complexities behind human motivations as well as relationship dynamics.
I think saying he’s simply a mean drunk who hates women actually does a disservice to victims of abuse in that it paints abusers as one-dimensional monsters who are easy to spot, when we all know that’s not the truth. One thing we know for sure is that a person can be completely non-abusive in one relationship and go on to be completely abusive in the next. It’s not excusing or condoning behavior to wonder why that happens–it’s just human curiosity.
Finally, understanding the mindset of abusers in integral in understanding how abusers operate and knowing what signs to look for.
Sorry if I offended you, but this forum is so reactionary to the point that people even try to shut down innocent conversations because it’s not laced with outrage and explanation points.
We don’t learn anything if we don’t attempt to examine the behavior of others, and that includes violent behavior. It doesn’t mean that we’re excusing or condoning or victim-blaming.
But Kitten, he’s been recorded as notably violent around Kate Moss, too. And he has a long history of getting together with women much younger than himself – Winona Ryder and Kate Moss were teenagers, and he was pushing 30 and 40 respectively. I think all that’s changed is his ability to present as relatively hinged.
@ Dangles
No excuses for men please. No 50-something woman would get away with a ‘mid-life crisis’ label if she beat up her children or physically harmed her partner.
Thanks for this. Whatever his problems, they’re his problems, period. From what he’s said and from his history, he had an early-life crisis before he had a mid-life crisis, and if he makes it that far, he’ll have a late-life crisis. Basically he’s just a man in crisis and woe to the women who cross his path.
well said, Who ARE these people. woe to the women who cross his path, regardless of whatever crisis mode he is in.
@BritAfrica:
I didn’t excuse it. I was speculating about what might be contributing to his behavior.
@Dangles
My point is this speculation never comes into play where a woman is concerned. If she is caught beating up her children (which is more likely as people tend to punch down) nobody would care if her Mum died yesterday. She will be vilified – period. We should apply the same rules to men who punch down.
If this is simply ’cause and effect’ then why isn’t he punching other men?? Lord knows he is surrounded by enough of them. Why isn’t he punching his bodyguards? Scared they might hit back?
Funny isn’t it? He is apparently ‘coked out ‘ when these ‘rages’ occur but he never attacks any men. Not even his band mates seemingly.
I have been reading these threads since news of the abuse broke and I am yet to see a massive altercation involving him vs a bloke. Strange for a man who likes to hit out isn’t it?
Oh BritAfrica, you are so right on. Punching down is the key. He is not inflicting himself on anyone his size or anywhere there is a witness. He may be crazed and confused by drugs and alcohol but, gosh, he chooses his place, time and victim with canny judgment.
Depp’s looks didn’t slip away he threw it away. He’s been purposely uglying himself for years. It finally took.
Yep, now Scarfy is the desiccated, bloated sot with bad teeth that he’s worked so hard to become. Hunter Thompson would be proud. Marilyn Manson, Damien Echols, Mickey Rourke, the unfunny clown, Stanhope – what an impressive list of associates! Scarfy used to be the good looking one of the group, but now he is just another member of the group, aging prematurely and indistinguishable from all the other creeps.
Yeah, those teeth are quite work of art, too. *shudders*
Okay but, like, it’s only slipping away because he’s coating it in booze bloat and scarves. HE WAS SO HOT just minutes before he decided he needed to ‘get’ Amber.
I have to admit he had his era of hotness – mostly when he was with Kate Moss.
He obviously has an alcohol problem. Lots of people who are otherwise sane go into rages when drunk. This could be the problem. (And before people start telling me I’m full of it, my birth father would beat my birth mother when drunk; otherwise, she said, he was the sweetest man in the world.)
Depp needs, first, to get sober; then, do some serious therapy for his anger issues. I would also recommend Amber get into therapy to explore why she would stay with a man who seriously tried to kill her, or she will repeat that pattern again, too. It’s not just the abusers who repeat patterns.
Everyone needs to, at some point, take an introspective, critical look at their life choices, and determine which of those, (in their control), brought them to where they are. I hope they both do this, soon. With regard to their relationship, both have roles that need examined:
Why did she marry a man double her age, who was an active substance abuser, clearly in the throes of a mid-life crisis, and on the heels of a breakup with a long term partner? Love and impending physical abuse aside, was it wise to embark on a relationship with such baggage?
Why does he physically hurt and try to reign control over another person? Why does he lack control over his emotions and continue to abuse people and substances?
Why weren’t either of them able to recognize and admit the toxicity of their relationship and end it before it decayed into something horrible? What, if anything, did either of them do to perpetuate the the trouble?
Emotionally heathy people don’t tend to form or stay in relationships like theirs.
No one deserves abuse, and I feel for Amber and hope she gets the help she needs. I hope Depp gets it too. For the sake of his children or future partners, if not for himself.
Your “seeing both sides” analysis is seriously grossing me out. It doesn’t matter that Amber made ‘unwise’ decisions or chose to remain in a toxic relationship. The fault of physical abuse lies entirely with the abuser. Just ick at your whole comment.
That truly misses the point.
People who fall into abusive relationships are not to blame but should examine why they would become involved with someone so toxic.
Otherwise what’s stopping them for getting into the same situation again.
Because they are slowly broken down into believing they don’t deserve better and it’s actually their fault. If they could just figure out the magic way to be, the abuse will stop. And abusers are not fairy tale ogres and they are not dumb. You’ve got to have that initial charm to draw someone in before the abuse starts.
It could happen to anyone of us. Amber isn’t an “other” separated from us.
@LucyStar aenflex’s “Amber” questions above *may* be things Amber wants to work out in therapy/recovery. It’s not for us to speculate about them as a form of victim blaming, and imo aenflex’s comments skirt that line.
Natalie, that is one great post. Thank you.
No blame to Amber for being abused. I think some of you may have misunderstood. She was abused and no one deserves that, as I mentioned. That’s on Depp. And it’s disgusting.
But just because she is a victim of an abusive, mean man doesn’t mean she shouldn’t self-evaluate. Not because she was abused, that’s a separate thing entirely. But because she chose to start a serious relationship with a man who was an active substance abuser and in the middle of a painfully obvious midlife crisis. I’m sure she had no idea of his potential to be abusive when they got serious. But she knew or found out quickly he was using, and rebounding from his breakup with Vanessa. Even without the physical or emotional abuse, relationships that start like that can’t have a very good success rate. And after the first abusive incident, she chose to not report it, and to stay with him.
Those are choices that should be evaluated. Not blame, but careful, personal evaluation with perhaps the assistance of a trained mental health professional.
And yes, I do find it unwise to remain in a toxic relationship. At some point people need to become responsible for their emotional and physical wellbeing. And that seems like exactly the point she as at right now. So good for her.
@ Aenflex
it seems in your first comment that Depp being a mess is a given and not to be questioned by him, yet also simultaneously for her to be questioned about. Which is not really seeing both sides fairly.
Sure she’ll probably evaluate the past couple of years, but I hope the questions she asks herself are more about her than him.
A lot of abuse victims think they’re actually in control. They feel sorry for their abusers and think they’re being patient and kind and understanding. And I’m sure Depp was surrounded by people who fed into this narrative. And I wouldn’t be surprised if Depp himself felt this way.
Even now, there are posts about how Depp needs help for his problems. No, he needs to be in jail for putting his hands on her. He can sober up in the prison infirmary.
Natalie: ” If they could just figure out the magic way to be, the abuse will stop.” My older sister was in an abusive marriage for 39 years. He was charm personified during their courtship and engagement. The sbuse began the day after the wedding. He slept with a gun beside him and bullets on the nightstand. Finally, he threatened to kill every single member of her family “from the oldest to the youngest” – our mum, my daughter. I ended up calling police, as I lived a long way from her. The refused to do anything, as she needed to make the complaint. After 30 minutes of begging the officer for help, he finally asked, “Are there fireems in the house.” They finally arrested him. Later, a female Domestic Violence Liaison was assigned to her. I was staying with her once when the DVLO said to my sister, “Why don’t you just stop doing whatever it is that’s upsetting him? He’ll leave you alone then.”, which stunned my sister, who burst into tears. I told the DVLO to leave. Sometimes, even involving the police is futile.
I’m sorry that happened to your sister, Annakist. It’s upsetting that happened to her and I hope she’s doing better. We just don’t live in a society that understands and supports abuse victims. It’s getting better but the amount of ignorance still out there is so damaging to people when they’re most vulnerable.
People want so badly to feel in control of their lives that they’ll ignore facts and try to find some thread of logic or victimhood in an abuser’s actions. Depp may be trying to protect his fame and fortune but abuse victims are watching this play out and seeing what happens to people to speak up for themselves.
If Amber doesn’t take a good long look at why she stayed with him for 5 months after he tried to suffocate her, she will end up in another relationship like this. Let’s stop pretending that we women are helpless flowers who have no power to escape abusive relationships.
There’s nothing to say that she isn’t doing that. But that’s between Amber and her support network.
What matters is she did leave. Even though she’s being smeared by Depp and his supporters, her acting career is probably over, and her life as she thought it was going to be has permanently changed, she walked away. And now she’s standing up for herself even though she’s being attacked as insincere for doing so. Some posters here actually think she may have beat herself up.
Nothing about that is helpless. We don’t know the pressure she was under though we’re getting a glimpse of it in the backlash she’s currently dealing with. There is so much surrounding someone as wealthy and influential as Depp that I can’t blame her for getting trapped in it.
We don’t know what she was like emotionally before she met Depp but it doesn’t matter. Emotionally healthy and intelligent people with good support systems are also susceptible to abuse. As much as we don’t want to think so, it really could happen to any of us.
Plenty of emotionally healthy people start relationships with abusers because the abuser is NOT DUMB enough to show their hand on day one. But when the abuser feels that the victim is locked down somehow (marriage, pregnancy, social isolation, financial isolation), then the real person begins to appear. Sometime the process can take years
It can happen to anyone. Emotionally healthy people get abused. Let’s not armchair psychoanalyze Amber. I’m sure she has her own mental health resources
I don’t know.
DV is a crime. I don’t know a lot of people who stay in that type of relationship who don’t need theraphy.
@lucystar
Think of it this way: a physically healthy person can get into a car crash and need treatment. An emotionally healthy person can be abused and then need help dealing with and moving past the abuse.
Natalie, thanks for amplifying on that.
Lucystarr they certainly need therapy AFTER. They do not all need therapy BEFORE. have you never heard the frog in the bathtub analogy? There is a stack of research on this subject – abuse destroys the emotional intelligence necessary to escape it. There is such huge cognitive dissonence that people can’t see the bigger picture any longer – and they don’t see the patterns, because they are too busy coping with the present and being glad if it isn’t happening right then to recognise or accept that its future reappearance is a given.
Amber Heard was given absolute hell for walking after “just” 15 months. She made the mistake of marrying Depp incredibly publicly and the humiliation of it being such a huge mess is international headline news. For her, the stakes and situation is the same as any other victim, but played out on an international stage. Yet she has walked, and relatively quickly, and (whatever the golddigger claimants want to believe) without a child, so she can get genuinely free of him in future. I think she’s actually done pretty well in getting out as fast and completely as she has. I also suspect that she may have chosen the moment his mother died as a good time to leave because his attention was elsewhere – and that mattered more than people saying she was “cold”.
What does marrying someone much older than her have to do with anything? Oh right it doesn’t.
He may have been a little healthier when he attracted her, and then the controlling behavior began, making it harder for her to see what she was getting into. You know, most middle-aged men are not in crisis, many of them are healthy – just older, maybe more mature. She might have thought that at the start, and then was trapped.
You know you can ask those things about Johnny. Why did he marry a woman 20 years his junior and leave his family for her. He married his midlife crisis but of course its Amber that needs to answer these questions. Good gawd poster did you not make bad decisions when you were in your 20s?…or are you one of the lucky saints that made perfect choices, all the time?
@aenflex, @Jib, @Natalie – I absolutely, 100% agree.
This is the truth: “Emotionally healthy people don’t tend to form or stay in relationships like theirs.” Yes, it is, no matter how much it hurts. I was not emotionally healthy when I got into an abusive relationship. I *thought* that I was, but I was very, very wrong about that.
“Emotionally unhealthy” is NOT an insult. There is no judgment there. There is no shame in being emotionally unhealthy. It’s a very common human condition.
If someone who’s been in an abusive relationship doesn’t step back and examine what led them into that relationship, then they have little chance of becoming emotionally healthy.
A big part of helping victims heal and detach is working through underlying issues and vulnerabilities. Self-knowledge is what creates true empowerment.
@Lady Amalthea
I’m sorry but I very strongly disagree with you. That was the opposite of what I was saying.
Everyone is vulnerable to this. Emotionally unhealthy is not an insult but it is absolutely not so that only emotionally unhealthy people form and stay in these kinds of relationships.
Look at the texts that came out. The people around Depp were excusing his behavior and calling him a “lost, little boy.” (Gag). They created a different reality around Depp where his behavior was not his fault. We’re all susceptible to peer pressure and sympathy to someone seemingly in pain. It’s up to the people surrounding Depp and the people still making excuses for him to figure out why they were willing to write off his behavior just because he’s an addict.
@Natalie – I apologize for misunderstanding you.
I do respectfully disagree. I don’t really see how the fact that abusers surround themselves with enablers and sycophants has anything at all to do with the emotional health of the victim.
Abusers typically don’t even waste their time on emotionally healthy people. They look for vulnerabilities that can be exploited to their own ends. They’re very good at this.
The truth is that victims who don’t eventually do a hard self-examination (not expecting anyone to do that so soon after leaving a traumatic and toxic relationship) are doing themselves a terrible disservice and leaving themselves vulnerable.
I agree with you that someone who is emotionally unhealthy probably has trouble with self-care and a strong sense of boundaries and that allows predatory people to zero in on them. And I agree that having stayed in an abusive relationship, it’s important to examine what motivated that to avoid it happening again. There was a frightening study where predatory people were, with uncanny accuracy, able to pick out people who had been abused before.
But there are many people who experience life changes (a move, marriage, pregnancy, illness, aging, job loss) and their formerly respectful partner begins to change. The abuse can start years into a relationship. And the newly vulnerable victim is now with someone very different than the partner they chose all those years ago.
Natalie and Lady A., I am digging your dialog. First because both of you are listening and replying on point.
Second, because reading these together gave me more insight than I have had on DV. The outcome of a pre-existing mental health problem? Or a potential for anyone?
We all have vulnerabilities, some more than others, and some of us only rarely at times of stress or confusion in our lives. Like any kind of criminal, the easy marks are skipped over and weaknesses are recognized instantly. Then the courtship and grooming begin.
There are more similarities between the sexual abuse of children and domestic violence than we will admit.
And may I just say that drugs and alcohol being the cause is pure bull. They are the excuse. People have to get off them so they can begin to be honest about what they are doing not because it turns them into something they are not.
Gosh I shouldn’t have followed the link…commenters on People are awful.
I am glad she was able to keep all her girlfriends despite him: abusers rule number one is to isolate the victim.
It’s actually a sign in favor of her emotional health that she has such a strong circle of friends.
The pictures People mag has took my breath away.
Do I think he’ll be charged? No. It’s clear the police are going for celeb justice here, based on TMZ’s reports. And after the People vs. OJ…is anyone really surprised that the LAPD has flopped out on this one?
I hope this is resolved quickly for her sake.
One of the things I’m having difficulty with is “the neighbor”. Apparently she isn’t just a neighbor, she’s been Heard’s best friend for 13 years and moved from Austin to LA. The neighbor is apparently a part time yoga instructor, but can afford to live next door to Depp and Heard? And apparently the friend has witnessed abuse since the beginning of their relationship, but wasn’t helping her get out, and possibly living off his largesse? Something just fishy about that. Also, this weird cover of people is just making me scratch my head. That is some major PR.
I’m sorry to all those who think we should all jump on a side. I think there’s a lot of information that hasn’t (and probably won’t) come out.
Have you ever had a friend who was in a toxic relationship? It can sometimes take a long time for them to find the strength to cut the ties and say goodbye. It can take a long time for them to see “No I do not deserve this, I did not do anything wrong, he won’t change”. For all we know the Yoga Instructor has money herself; why automatically think there’s something else going on? Or maybe Amber was so worried about her safety that until she was ready to leave it was easier to have someone living next door.
+1
It’s possible she has a trust fund of some kind — you’ll find a lot of young people like that in NY and LA, who have random jobs but live large.
It’s also possible Amber and Johnny owned the whole floor of condos (we know they owned two adjacent ones from earlier reports) and her friend is staying in one of the other apartments for free/reduced rent as a favour.
The Depp smear machine has moved on from Heard to anyone who supports her. They will be gunning hard for the neighbor because she is an actual eye witness. Kryptonite to Depp and all his hangers-on depending on him for the goodies that come with access.
It is probably at least as important to remove her from the equation as it is to frame Heard.
I understand people complaining about this playing out in the press. But really Johnny is the one that has made it come to this point. He and his PR people are going after her. calling her a gold digger, blackmailer and everything else under the sun. So she is countering that by showing her evidence. Fans of Johnny can come after her; but the evidence is there. He is having everyone around him be his hatchet. She has to do something.
I always thought that injury when he was filming Pirates was fishy. And if anyone cares to look back on media coverage or the comment section her people were speculating that he was drunk or on drugs or something happened. Disney distanced themselves from the incident. So maybe they knew and were bracing to see of Amber took it to the courts. She didn’t so they let it all go and Johnny went about his business. There are too many people enabling this behavior and that is the problem. If her allegations are proven as FACT…lets see who jumps ship.. and Why are his known friends so silent? I think they know the truth to.
No one has friends in Hollywood. Only people who are useful to them.
I don’t agree with that. I think that is something people like to throw around for affect. People do have real friendships. Even in Hollywood
Well his known friends are speaking up for instance Mickey Rourke and Celebitchy favorite Paul Bettany http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/29/paul-bettany-and-mickey-rourke-stick-up-for-johnny-depp-over-domestic-abuse-allegations-5912515/
The thing about Johnny Depp is he does have a reputation for being wonderful professional, and incredibly kind. I mentioned before a friend of mine worked for him a few years back and couldn’t stop gushing about how nice he was and she’s met many other celebrities so I believe her. And I bet he is 90% of the time and that small percentage when he’s not only a few select people get the brunt of his s***t. Classic abusive behavior.
This is something very few people understand about abusers. Some are sociopaths, but most are just regular people with a very particular issue. They are often genuinely good, kind and generous people in other areas of their life.
It’s tempting to hear about things like this and decide all the good stuff was bs, but it’s more complicated than that and not a helpful mindset to have.
Yes exactly Kate.
great point, Luca…so many of them have a public face of kindness etc. so when something like this comes out, it’s “What? never, he’s so nice, he’d never do that”.
I think back to how badly Denise Richards got bashed when she was going up against Sheen when they first were divorcing. people said horrible things about her and didn’t believe what she was saying about Sheen’s behavior.
and now?…we all know what a sick f*ck Sheen really is.
I grew up amid domestic violence. It was a nightmare. But I can tell you that, unless you lived with us, you’d never know what was happening. The face we put on for the public was of a model family — then again, no one ever questioned why my mother wore long sleeved tops in the summer.
Physical abusers, especially those with a substance abuse problem, are like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. You’re never really sure who’s going to show up.
I’m rooting for Amber. I don’t care if she married him for his money, or whatever motive she had — if she stayed, the abuse would only get worse. Good for her for having the strength to get out alive.
Mickey’s statement wasn’t bad. He just basically said, “I have never known him to be violent.” Which is true. He also expressly declined to comment on Amber, which is good.
Paul bugs me. He kept digging a hole, saying, “I think I know him better that people on the Internet.” Well, Paul, Amber knew him even better than you do. Amber knew him intimately. I do not know why it’s so hard to just admit that maybe you don’t known somebody as well as you might think.
@kate, exactly. That was what I was trying to explain to a poster the other day. Most abusers are not ragey assh0les all the time. My abuser relative is a charmer who behaves like the ultimate gentleman when he is sober. That is why no one believed his wife when she first accused him of domestic violence, until he got super drunk and violent during a family gathering.
The same Mickey that was also accused of abuse, smh…. Although at least mickey admitted he did it and said he did it.
Lol. The last thing he needs is Mickey Rourke coming to his defense. I hear OJ thinks Johnny is a good guy too!
And this also illustrates why it can be hard to leave them (for those questioning why Amber stayed as long as she did).
I think he is showing the ravages of alcohol. From what is out there, he has always had a temper, but seemed to keep his hands off of his other partners. As his addiction worsens, his prefrontal lobe and impulse control are getting weaker and weaker, and he is now out of control of his temper.
None of this is an excuse, just an explanation from a physiological point of view. It is his responsibility to get sober and do the work of getting his brain healthy again. He may not do it with the enablers he seems to have around him, but if he doesn’t, I think he will end up dead, and it won’t be in the far future.
What kills me is that his supporters have been saying for days, “Well then show your evidence!” And now that she’s showing the evidence, it’s “She just wants attention; why else would she release this?”
If you read the comments on every other website that is reporting on this story – from the Daily Mail to Radar Online to TMZ and yes even People – 90% of the comments are against Amber saying she’s lying and setting Johnny up to get a pay out. It’s nice to come here where the other side is more predominant. The radio commentator on my local station even doubted Amber when he was discussing today’s Hollywood gossip. I can only imagine the negative comments Amber is getting in person…..
As I posted upthread, one DM reader posted “He should have finished the job.” There were several “up” arrows in response to that and no down ones except for mine when I last looked.
I hope Amber has a good support system that does not let her delve into the hell that is internet. I am sure her personal messages have been far more positive.
Comments are also 90 percent negative on black gossip blogs on Instagram also.I had to deactivate my IG account.I defended Amber by posting info from the restraining order and my notifications blew up.I started blocking people but it became overwhelming so I am not on IG right now.
I wonder if Depp’s team is just sitting at their computers hour after hour jumping onto any intelligent defense of Heard? So sorry Colly B. that the bullies came after you.
I would just love to get some idea of what this costing him. Not the pure legal fees but the publicity campaign. It must be like running for office. Politicians and celebrities hire the same people for this kind of work.
I just clicked on the People article after avoiding the pics for a few hours. I think they removed or turned comments off because they aren’t available on that particular article.
The tide will turn eventually, it just takes a little time. Many people are not aware of the psychology of abuse and will initially resist knowledge, but the truth these days comes out much faster than before our internet age. And there are a lot more people, who understand – especially after a few other notorious cases – that a person’s public image and the real person are often two entirely different things. She’s going to have a very hard time for a few more months, but the truth is compelling and impossible to ignore. You only need to take one look at JD to realize that this is not a happy and healthy person. Maybe he was with Vanessa, but right now he is not. So many inexplicable big and small puzzle pieces about these two fall into place now that the cat is out of the bag!
I can totally believe the punching the hole in the wall as an explanation for his broken hand. I wonder if she decided to smuggle the dogs into Austraila as some sort of “buffer”, like she was scared to be totally alone with him? At the time, I thought that seemed a pretty dumb thing to do. Hope she gets to put this behind her sooner as opposed to (much) later.
You may be right. My theory is that he told her to get her a$$ to Australia NOW and she said “what about the dogs?” and he was all “It’s a private plane, B_____, no one checks for dogs when you’re a Depp” and off she flew. She took the fall for him then and that’s why he agreed to do the video.
The stress in her face/body language with him on the red carpets is palpable, as is his expression of looking at a possession he is afraid to lose.
And of course, she has a (self and public) perception of being cool, strong and not at all anyone’s victim, and so she covered the abuse to maintain it. It’s really a classic case of how abusers choose women they admire but fear and set about dismantling them. And it is absolutely possible this aspect of his personality was not active while with Vanessa, for whom I believe he had respect. He doesn’t respect Amber and likely never did. And there is nothing she could have done or can do to change that. My estimation is that he feels she is out of line and that he has the right to police her. Chills.
This. I’ve been there. I am a very independent woman, and I have other qualities as well that would, at first glance, appeal to the insecure male.
What I learned from my two abusive relationships during my twenties (one physical as well, the other strictly psychological, and let me tell you, the second one hurt me more), is that they dismantle you slowly, after having put you on a pedestal. At first, you are their arm- candy that can also hold an interesting conversation. They like that people compliment them on their “catch”. Then at some point, they realise they don’t feel so good about themselves in comparison. Instead of readjusting their behaviour, attitude etc., they start dragging you down.
And then you end up being “the crazy one” in the public perception. Been there, done that. F*** them.
Sauvage, your last sentence tells me you have obtained optimum mental health. Proud of you.
Poor Amber. She wanted to keep it quiet but Johnny’s malicious smear campaign has forced her to do this….there are multiple, disturbing photos now and people still claim she’s a liar. Just because Johnny is “likeable” and has the right people in his corner (Disney/Bruckheimer/etc).
Does anyone else find it suspicious that People put the least severe photo on the cover? I can’t help but feel like they are still slanted towards Depp.
But does he have Disney in his corner? They haven’t said much if anything about this situation, and as another poster pointed out upthread, when he hurt his hand, supposedly from punching a wall after fighting with Amber, Disney was careful to say publicly that it was off work hours. Yes, their insurance company needed to know it, but they could have told the insurance company without the so-public statement. That reads more to me like a warning to him, to clean up his act and not do anything else to delay production. A month-long delay costs in the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars.
I’ve been thinking about the Disney angle too. They have so much money invested in Depp. So much money in the Pirates franchise. There are goddamn animatronics of him in their parks. What are they going to do? Cut all ties? Or make this go away?
@ Chris
There whole image is based on having a family friendly and a guy who beats his wife doesn’t fit that. As for the Pirates franchise they can always do what super hero franchises are doing and make a reboot with a young Jack Sparrow. That way the still keep the Pirates franchise, but disconnect themselves from Johnny.
Many of the comments on the People Mag page are insinuationg or blatantly saying she btought it on herself or is equally responsible for antagonizing him. I don’t care what anyone says or does, nothing makes them deserving of domestic abuse. Do I think she married him for money and fame? Sure, but that doesn’t mean I think that gives him an excuse to emotionally and physically abuse her. Just because a couple of his exes and his daughter say he never abused them, doesn’t mean he didn’t abuse Amber. I don’t have to like someobe to believe they were abused by their partner. Johnny Depp has money and a huge PR machine behind him. She tried to deal with this privately and he’s chosen to portray her as a conniving blackmailer. This is going to get even uglier than it already is.
Male comedians are one of the most sexist misogynistic bastards out there, on the same level as gamers. So of course Depp’s comedian friend thinks all women lie about DV and sexual assults.
it’s worse. they somehow feel she deserves it. because, patriarchy.
He also wrote several questionable books. Like his supprt can only make Johnny look worse.
and that dude in particular is REALLY misogynistic. I believe one of his “jokes” is a riff on beating up prostitutes. oh, yeah, hahahaha, so funny.
It makes me so mad.
Because one of our best friends is a hard core gamer – he’s beat freaking dark souls 3 like 6 times and it was only released in late March.
My husband used to be more into video games than he is now, but still plays pretty regularly. And neither of them would ever say the kind of shit that I’ve seen come from gamers.
Most of the guys I work with are heavy into gaming as well… and some of them are troublesome. Everytime I hear them start getting on a sexist sounding rant, I try to shut them down. It’s so weird. It’s like… they don’t view ALL women as the enemy … and understandably they’re annoyed by the kind of people who are like tumblr feminists (who doesn’t get aggravated by them occasionally) but sometimes they say things that are just waaay offensive. And they genuinely don’t even seem to realize how offensive it is.
Tumblr feminists ?
Those pictures are devasting especially taken at home or private quarters while she hides it with makeup in public.
Those pictures made me flat-out cry. Especially because people are STILL saying she’s faking it, or worse, that she brought it on herself.
People magazine backing is huge.
I really really want this girl to go in after Depp. These celebs need to be brought back down to earth.
Johnny Depp and People have hated each other ever since they published that story about his affairs on Vanessa. Apparently he’s also close friends with someone @ US. Amber doesn’t have People’s backing as much as they knew they’d never get any inside information from Johnny’s team. I’m cynical about how much this story will actually affect Depp at the end of the day.
@ Lica76 Johnny friend at US magazine is the woman in charge of the, so like when he split with Vanessa it’s very Pro Johnny.
Whatever their motivations might be they are the first magazine to outright publish a photo and say she was abused ? That is great. At the end of the day this will not affect Depp in any way. He will probably win an Oscar in the next 2 years fr the Hollywood community to show their support to him. But I feel amazing that a woman had the guts to go against such an A Lister with one of the biggest studios backing him.
Me too. I want an example made of him. I am sick to death of the Chris Brown’s, Polanski’s and Tyson’s rewriting history after a few years.
Totally agree with the posters here. Abuse is never ok. What I find upsetting is that Amber never made a formal complaint with the police so Johnny can’t be charged. It is important that these type of men get charged. In this case it is not because she is scared. As well I don’t know what to think about the exclusive Amber gave to people with photos and everything. This should be played out in the courts not people magazine. Unfortunately I think this will turn many against her the refusal to press charges then do a tell all with pictures . It makes the abuse seem less then it is. As well what she has asked for expenses -not covered here but other blogs – is ridiculous . I also believe she is lying about what she made last year.
Looks like she did file by now:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/amber-heard-will-give-full-statement-to-lapd-about-johnny-depps-alleged-domestic-abuse-a7057631.html
Nothing big like jail time will happen, first offense. That in itself I find disgusting. Beat someone and get probation, a fine, and classes. 😞😞
I think she will have a problem proving this. It seems she is saying the police did see the mess in the flat and the bruise on her face. But, TMZ is reporting that the LAPD senior brass have questioned the officers involved and they stand by their original comments; no damage to the apartment and no sign of injury on any of her exposed skin. They also say they had to insist on entering the flat to check she wasn’t under duress and stressed the report gave only her name, so they had no idea who the husband was. If this all stands she will have to prove they are lying and if she can’t, that immediately casts serious doubt on the other photograph. If it is true that Heard was not in Australia when Depp hurt his hand she can argue that they were on the phone at the time, but it will look bad that it has been spun in the press to suggest otherwise. Heard has been caught lying on official documents and I gather she has admitted to similar lies in the past. None of her friends’ statements say they saw him hurting her, just shouting and causing damage. The comments about Depp hurting Heard all seem to be hearsay and if she is presented as a major liar in court then it wont carry much weight. If the security guards say they haven’t seen him hit her, but have frequently had to pull Heard off Depp then that is an eyewitness account and they will have to be discredited too.
The way I see it, two things need to happen. One, this rumor of a video needs to be true and it needs to be good (by which I mean bad). Heard also needs Kate Moss to stand up in court and say he hit her, not that they hit each other when they fought. Then she might have a chance of a conviction and she might be able to turn public opinion which at this point, based on comments on other sites, is very much against her.
@ Jellybean
TMZ is reporing that a source to them this and told them that, we’re do you think that source came from? TMZ are also the ones that reported fails LAPD claims and posted the old Tiffany photo as new. You can’t go by TMZ on a good day and you definitely can’t go by them now. TMZ reports what is being feed to them not fact, they always have been and always will.
If Amber friends testimony what hold up then nether will Johnny he’s pay the bodyguard so so they do what he tells them, his friends have also never witnessed anything ether.
TMZ does have ridiculously good access to court documents and police sources, but you are right, none of this has been tested in court and there are probably inaccuracies. But, if they do have to try and discredit police officers they will be very unlikely to succeed. Also, it is very dangerous to assume that because they are paid employees they will lie under oath, if they want their eye witness accounts thrown out they will have to discredit them too. The he said, she said accounts of friends are just hearsay, even if her friends saw the injuries they only have her word on how they were obtained, but Heard lying to the Australian Government is a fact and on record.
People Magazine also reports what is being fed to them with little regard for facts, they all do. I am just making the point that if this is forced into a criminal court Heard might struggle. It might be worth keeping an eye on TMZ live, the top guy, Harvey, is a lawyer and when you hear him speaking he has some interesting insight into how the legal system works.
Harvey is horrible person and is corrupt as they come, he and his people at TMZ have been involved in illegal activities. So I would trust a word that comes from them not just because of this but because of their history.
Note that TMZ says that a “source” told them what the bodyguards said happened, not the bodyguards themselves. They were very careful with how they worded things just in case it goes to court. Also Johnny violent behavior is also on record and so is his arrest for said behavior.
Susan my dear, you start by saying you “totally agree with the posters here” and then demolish every point in Heard’s case. No facts, just innuendo and worry for her getting caught in her so-called lies.
Kudos, this is a whole new level of spin. Hope they are paying you well.
I can’t believe the turn this has taken. I still thinks she’s manipulative and a gold digger but NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE deserves to be treated like that and NO ONE should ever have to live in fear for their lives and then feel like they have to keep it quiet.
I hope she’s safe and that she will seek help to heal emotionally and physically.
Her being thirsty and wanting a career is not mutually exclusive to him hitting her and still getting up from a bender the next day and being able to put on all his makeup and be an outwardly charming pro, is not like he is apt to forget he needs to hustle money to sustain an Island, you know? Both things can be true, I for one am done doubting women when they come out with their stories.
Can we please stop using the label of gold digger? It’s only used for women and it’s grossly unfair and out of date. Every time Depp signed up for a sequel to “Pirates,” he was not doing it for money?
HE choose to marry her knowing she was a new starlet and 20 years his junior. Why aren’t people talking about Depp’s midlife crisis debacle that led him to making the choice of marrying her? he MARRIED her. Goldigger or not, he choose to marry her when there were obvious signs this would end up as a disaster. So sick of people thinking all of the responsibility belongs to women and men should never have to answer those same questions or even have consequences for their very bad choices.
Everyone keeps saying she’s manipulative…what evidence is there that she is? None. There is NO evidence of that. I mean unless you think ALL women are manipulative…which a large portion of people do think that.
A gold digger would have got pregnant, and recorded him covertly, and stayed married longer to get a better payday. The money she gets from 15 months of childless marriage is not going to compensate for her career hit over this, let alone constitute a massive payday.
Well look who got her own cover on People she so shady its sad. Johnny is a drunk asshole but she is no angel either at this point both need to keep quiet and let the courts figure it out not the public.
Tell you what. When YOU get your cover on People, let’s hope it’s for something better than your lawyer deciding it’s important to show the public what wife-beating looks like because the guy who beat you is more famous and rich. You think she is enjoying this? Gross.
Go away troll
What I find disturbing is how ya’ all is jumping the gun based on Amber’s manipulations and lies. In the age of social media it is just too easy to smear someone beyond repair or redemption. Look at her expenses, the girl is broke, she needs 50K per month, really? She does not make this sort of money, she has a MOTIVE. I honestly think it all has been planned since before they were married. She surrounded herself by loyal friends who have been munching off Johnny while most likely being offered some nice lump sums is the con works out. She meticulously planned everything, including when to strike, when he was at his weakest. She is trouble, also why yoga instructor has a key to Depp’s house? Really?
Even if you were right about her ‘planning’ this from the start- does it make the actual abuse ok? He would still be an abuser, and she a victim of DV. The yoga person is the next door neighbour, and a long-time friend of Heard…I can tell you that MY next door neighbour has a key to my place, just in case something happens when I’m not there, and to water the flowers. Or in case I forget the key inside, there’s always a spare key.
There are a lot of insinuations about the “yoga neighbor” in the anti-Heard posts. Similar or identical phrasing. A new directive has been issued?
Stays the people who jumping the gun and saying Jonny innocent and making up a story to go with that.
Ever heard of Occam’s Razor?
Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one.
But don’t let me interrupt your creative writing exercises….
“Go away” is a very fitting name for you.
TROLL
You know, just because someone has a different point of view than you do is no reason to call them names.
But of course, you are all about defending women, right?? How about some respect for another woman’s point of view?
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the paid shill has arrived.
ETA: oh look! another down below.
Yes, because it makes more sense to marry someone, with no prenup, and then concoct some abuse story and divorce them after just 15 months, destroying your career in the process, than it does to stay with the person a few years so that you’re entitled to more of their money.
Take your blinders off and think about it logically for a minute. If she made up the abuse, why not just stay with him and get a bigger payday?
This a pitchfork nation. We’re constantly outraged about something. However sometimes it’s justified. In this instance from what I can see it’s justified.
I’m Canadian, not a pitchfork nation, but I am outraged that men still beat women and still get away with it.
ITA, FingerBinger but I’d rather be in this forum, where people are largely outraged by domestic violence than on the DM, where people aren’t outraged at all.
@Kitten There are no words for the comments on the DM.
it’s just as easy to smear Amber. how did she force Johnny to marry her? where is his responsibility? is he so pathetic to be manipulated like that? both had reasons to marry. you and i don’t have to agree with their reasons. nothing gives him a right to abuse her. as to her being a known liar, that is just speculation at this point. both of them have their point of view. it’s established Johnny is a paranoid, volatile substance abuser. that information comes from his friends. why is so unlikely that he went into a jealous rage?
Good for you Joanne/Lainey you got the money shot in: “a known liar”. Were you hoping for a subliminal effect by burying in the rest of that tripe?
I see you took Gone Girl way too seriously.
Lainy, I feel sorry for you. I wish you’d had better friends and family around you in life.
He looks so dirty in his fake rock star pictures. Guy has turned into a drunken mess
I’m lost for words!
I really am. I’ve reached the point
where I can’t stand seeing Mr Depp.
The poor woman, carrying this huge
secret and watching people praise
Her tormenter!!
I hope the truth will be revealed and
Justice be served!
I need more concrete evidence to be convinced he is really guilty of abuse. Sorry I am not buying his guilt based on some photos and her friend’s word. She seems pretty manipulative and desperate for money so I could definitely see her being a liar and trying to frame him to get what she wants which is money. Desperate people do desperate things and she doesn’t seem above this type of behaviour as she seems to lie easily. He might be a drunk but that doesn’t make him necessarily guilty of abuse.
lol troll harder
I am entitled to my opinion ..you are the troll.
You’re entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.
Depp has anger issues that have been acknowledged for decades. He trashed a room around a previous partner. He has a proven interest in incredibly young – even teenage – girls, when decades older himself. His own PR team are arguing that Amber Heard “exacerbated his jealousy issues” – think about that a moment, will you. Their own defence is that she made him mad, so mad! And that it was her fault for provoking him. So if he didn’t do anything, what do they mean? Why say that? What exactly was he provoked into, by their own implicit admission, if she’s lying?
There is that background, there is evidence a mile wide about the sort of man he is and has been for a long time. Then look at the recent video of his appearance on British TV when he seemed completely out of it – Ozzy Osbourne levels of confusion and addled. Add in that his own side agree he hated her female friends and was jealous of them, and wanted them cut out – a classic factor in abusive relationships, absolutely classic, yet he (in common with most abusers) feels so entitled to demand it that it’s being cited as evidence of her selfishness that she refused. Then add in the photos and the witness evidence, and the fact Heard is leaving him after 15 months, with no child to support and very little claim on his assets other than earnings during their blink-and-you-miss-it marriage, and after asking his lawyer to settle this privately and after asking the LA PDA to leave and refusing to talk to them. She went to court – NOT the press – when she ran out of alternatives. Because she is scared of him. Because he has been proven to behave in a terrifyingly threatening and angry way by his own fairly frequent admission.
Logic is that she could have scored a lot more money with a pregnancy and a longer marriage. Logic is that she could have played it better by telling the cops her version, supported by her friends and the damaged house. Logic says that he has a long history of troubled relationships with young women and that he is someone with a substance abuse problem, anger problem, and superlatively effective PR team.
Logic says she is the truthful one, and that he beat her.
Another Troll.
Why is it anyone defending him is a troll? You are all ready to lynch him based on a known liar’s word and her friend? Sorry but I am not as convinced.
Actually I think most people are presuming his guilt because of the multiple photographed injuries, text messages referring to the abuse, claims of other witnesses who have at the very least seen JD fly off the handle, the fact that she was granted a restraining order, the fact that this supposed “known liar” really has nothing to gain by making this up, and the fact that JD’s team has been going full steam ahead with a really aggressive and almost entirely unnecessary (at least if what she’s saying wasn’t true) smear campaign on AH since she filed for divorce even before she accused him of abusing her.
If she just wanted his money, she could have stayed with him longer for a bigger payout. Or gotten pregnant and then been entitled to 18 years worth of child support and alimony.
what concrete evidence would satisfy you? Depp admitting that he beat her? prob not gonna happen.
I would think that photos of her injuries and eyewitness accounts would be enough, but clearly you want more. so, let’s hear it…what would convince you?
Eye witness who is not her BFF.
Even a BFF is at risk of perjuring herself in court should there be contradicting evidence. I don’t know about your BFFs, but my BFFs would not perjure themselves for me – nor would I ask them to.
The onus here will be on the security guards, who have been around him for months and years at close range. By now they’ve probably all consulted lawyers, who have probably advised them to say nothing until or unless they are in court.
I believe “who ARE” covered that, thanks.
and what of the pictures, Lisa? are you saying she had someone beat her to make it more believable?
Yeah, you know what? Gone Girl was interesting because it is FICTION. Make believe. An unusual feat of imagination.
The story that Heard is telling is a lot more real-life ordinary, except Hollywood.
Gosh Lisa, pictures, eye witnesses, texts specifically stating beat downs not good enough for you?
God help the woman you see that comes running out the house with knife in her back. Just a he said/she said situation. Especially if she was broke.
Thank God she left before he killed her. Which I believe he would have done eventually. And he would have walked. And had millions of women-haters defending him. Or he would have succeeded in covering it up as an “accident” or suicide.
Scary how responsible journalism gets thrown out the window on other sites. I read (think the Daily Mail, not positive) was reporting Johnny was exaunerated from all charges. I would think most level headed people would question how? They haven’t been to court yet.. But no commenters were posting the nastiest things about Amber.
Lainy person go away! Dv survivor here and you are insulting!
Let me start by stating that I’m teem no one, I’m just looking at facts and probabilities and reading between the lines considering what we know from now and the past.
Yesterday I read Lainey’s posts about Johnny Depp from his divorce (around 2012) to present days and let me tell you something, if Amber fell for him because of his status, he TOTALLY hunt her to somehow pretend he isn’t 50. The way he holds her when she is not slightly engaged (or perhaps had a fight just before) is very telling. Kind of creepy. He seems to show her off and don’t tell me that she made him because he is totally enjoying it.
But let’s stop pretending that although Johnny has been ridiculous for sometime that he has been icky since him and Amber met, bc look at the images and the backstory and that’s not the case at all. He must be charming and sweet and he still is Johnny Depp after all, wouldn’t so many fall for that? Apparently so many fans still love him when he is clearly nauseous, so why wouldn’t Amber? You don’t need to be a gold digger to fall for someone with power, there is some alluring in that, our egos like it and it doesn’t make someone bad or a bitch to like that kind of attention.
They seem to be together since 2012. Yeah, she married him anyway, and? What does that proof? Apparently, judging by his own confessions in interviews he was the one who pursued her, even after there was a break up (so I’ll assume she was the one who ended it) And apparently she had doubts about marriage. And looking at the timeline, he had a temper before, but physical violence started after they were married (correct me if I’m messing up the timeline).
So many people seem to completely miss the nuance present in relationship dynamics, it’s always simple when it’s not us and we are seeing it from the outside. I also feel that simply calling her a gold digger master manipulator is just lazy because it sees things in b&w and tries to portray Depp like a helpless victim.
To remind you what happened when he and Vanessa divorced after there were rumors he was distancing himself from his family and drinking too much read this: http://www.laineygossip.com/Johnny-Depp%E2%80%99s-broken-heart-blamed-on-Vanessa-by-Us-Weekly-damage-control/23935?celebrityId=77
Vanessa was blamed for everything and sweet Johnny was the victim of it all. That was the narrative.
And in the past there were talks about him falling into the edge that even his friend Marlon Brando got worried. read this from 1994: http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20104049,00.html (Copy the full link)
She is far from being the perfect victim because she doesn’t look fragile, submissive and isn’t that likable. But does that mean she isn’t a victim? How? Women in power and with money are also victims of DV, there isn’t just one type of victim or just one context but apparently unless you fit into most people’s fantasy about what a victim should look like they are all lying, those bitches. UGH.
The one part in the old People article, he has been doing drugs since he was 14. Its known that prolonged drug addiction damages the brain and thought process. When Marlon Brando becomes about you, you are probably a very hot mess. Also from J. Waters “I think Johnny obviously has a temper, but this is a very minor incident,” John Waters says of the Mark melee. “The room service must have been bad.” that is why he gets away with his rages. His friends don’t wnat to help him, its johnny just being johnny.
And also: “Moss and Depp, a friend says, “can’t keep their hands, lips, mouths, legs off of each other.” Nor are they always successful in keeping their brawls private. In June they shouted at each other in the dining room of Manhattan’s Royalton Hotel. Says a longtime friend of Depp’s: “Instead of hitting women, he just gets angry and lets off steam in other ways.”
No, Johnny Depp doesn’t have any history of violence, these allegations are totally ridiculous… Oh my… How can’t some people, knowing this, give her the befit of the doubt? It’s like his past is totally dismissed and that Amber’s ambition is simply the only logical answer. I don’t understand.
Ditto when your behavior is setting off red flags for Marlon Brando (rest in peace), you need to check yourself!
Well that old patriarchy really has a fat Rolodex. It’s got Johnny’s number. Telling him how powerful he is, how he can do no wrong because look at what else. It’s got his associates’ numbers, telling them to defend and protect him although he is perfectly capable of defending himself. It’s got many of the public’s numbers, telling them to assume he’s innocent and assume she’s a liar and a bitch and the list goes on. It’s by men, for men, it’s story is about power and control, it’s centuries old, and the longer we believe and retell it the worse off the world becomes.
this is the saddest and truest comment.
This story is so depressing because it shows up what you say. That’s why reading the comments online elsewhere is so horrible: it punches you in the face with how very, very little has genuinely changed in this world when it comes to gender equality, and how instinctive misogyny is for so many – including many, many women.
Yes, realizing that, is very very depressing. 🙁
Damn…
I have been taking up for Johnny..but if there were ever any doubt, its gone now.
I am so disappointed..
It is interesting now to read about Johnny’s paranoia. It makes me flash back to an episode that happened right after The Lone Ranger. If I am remembering correctly didn’t he claim there was some sort of conspiracy among all the world’s movie critics to destroy his movie?
At the time I just dismissed it as weird Johnny being weird. But in light of Amber’s claims that he suffers from paranoia that looks much more ominous now.
In order to believe Depp is innocent you have to believe Heard is in the habit of damaging her own face.
Right?
I’m totally shocked! I used to love this man! What a shame… But for me, it doesn’t matter if he’s addicted or not, he must face the consequences of his acts. I know that no money can pay what she went through, but I hope she gets as much as possible from him and he goes to jail!
Her lawyer should have read her friend’s story before giving her the go ahead. How could Amber be texting her friend while Depp was smuggling her with the pillow? That’s impossible. It should have stated she texted her after the struggle.
either way i applaud her for fighting back.
This woman is NOT lying. Depp was not the raging drunk/druggie he is now when he was with Vanessa so he probably behaved better with her. I don’t hear Winona or Kate coming to his defense. Just because he’s a big movie star doesn’t mean he should get away with smacking his wife around. I’ve read comments on other sites and it’s disgusting what they say about Amber.
Alcohol and drugs do weird things to people. Look at the latest pictures of J.Depp in Germany. He’s bloated, pale and looks a bit sickly. When J. was with Vanessa, he was healthy(ish) and stable. When Amber and Johnny got together, the circumstances were suspect as best (did he cheat, were J. and V. already separated?) and throw on top of that Johnny spiraling into drinking quite heavily (maybe drug use) over the last two years he was with/ married to Amber…..who knows what he is capable of.
So while he may never have engaged in violent behavior when he was with Vanessa, that was also a different time. I believe that Amber is a bit of a drama queen herself, so throw that on top of everything else, and you end up with a disaster waiting to happen. I find it very hard to believe that Amber would go so far as to injure herself, or have someone else do it, all just to set Johnny up, so something must have happened, at some point, and the pictures prove it.
“I believe that Amber is a bit of a drama queen herself, so throw that on top of everything else, and you end up with a disaster waiting to happen.”
I seriously cannot believe the people who drag all of Amber’s ‘flaws’ into this discussion. The man tried to kill her. What she did up to that point is utterly irrelevant. It doesn’t matter if she taunted him daily, was a ‘drama queen’, or even if she cheated. There is absolutely no justification to violently assault your partner. The commenters here who are evaluating Amber’s role in this (therefore victim blaming) should be ashamed of themselves. Let’s hope you don’t end up in Amber’s position some day and have people pick your character apart as a way of justifying what happened to you.
No wonder domestic violence victims don’t tell the world what’s happening to them. Jesus.
…..speaking of drama queens…….I never stated that she was to blame or that she deserved to be abused. Get a grip lady!!
Roller 74- “When J. was with Vanessa, he was healthy(ish) and stable. ”
That’s largely a myth. They partied pretty hard together even after the kids came. He may have had more periods of sobriety then because of high profile movies. She naturally defends him now because of their kids (and I’m guessing a healthy chunk of $.)
hence….healthy(ish).
E! says that the last straw of their relationship was also cause Amber didn’t want Johnny to go on tour with the “Hollywood Vampires”. She wanted him to go onto rehab and she knew that the tour would put him off the wagon even more than what he already was
And that she loved him those short spans of time when he was sober the past year (maybe for his promotion of Black Mass?) and was back being the man she fell in love with. And he cried after he hurt her and she believed he wouldn’t do it again…typical silly woman believing in the words of an abuser “It won’t happen again darling”
Playing guitar in a band is probably how Mr. Depp soothes himself at this stage of the disease, along with alcohol and perhaps drugs. I am a new commenter on this site because I, along with many others who are, or were married to people with frontotemporal dementia, have an agenda: We are trying to get the word out about this horrific disease that can transform someone who is kind, loving and dependable for 30 years into something unrecognizable, a monster even.
I think Mr. Depp is about 7 or 8 years into the disease. I saw him being interviewed by British reporters recently. Mr. Depp’s halting, stuttering meandering speech, and inability to process compound sentences and anything more than one-sentence questions suggests that his left temporal lobe is under attack now.
His empathy and emotions were the first casualties, but now as he loses his language, his musical talent will flourish, at least for a little while.
I luckily stumbled on this excellent site. I am grateful the writer and the commenters are smart, objective, compassionate and searchers of truth.
Too bad you aren’t Mr. Depp’s friends. The sycophants surrounding him are making matters much worse for him. Stay strong, Ms. Heard. You have a lot of people trying to hold you up.
I am really thankful for this explanation as it is so logic. I am even more sorry for depp now. he has no real friends only people who want to protect the brand and their benefit from it. in case you are right (and to me it looks like you are) then everything is in vain anyway. what a sad end for an actor I always liked but do no longer. I hope Heard gets compensated for the miserable time she spent with a man who turned out to be so vile. and also that she will recover fully from not only this marriage but also from the media/pr folks who prolongue her suffering.
Have none of you ever heard of innocent until proven guilty?
Have you heard of OJ Simpson?
yes… but I also heard of
Alive until Dead.. and oops.. guess we were wrong.
I remember that story about his hand being broken and thought it was curious that it wasn’t even a set injury. He’s got anger issues.
This is why I would never be with an alcoholic man. I’ve seen so many of them get physically abusive with their women.
I think Johnny was 10 times more possessive and jealous and controlling with Amber than he had been with other women he’d been with because he was in the middle of a midlife crisis seeing his former hot looks, age, and career slip away and saw her as his possession.
How the hell would Stanhope know if JD is an abuser? I would imagine most abusers do not go around broadcasting their abusive actions to their friends. 1) They generally probably don’t think they’re being abusive, 2) They want to maintain their cool-guy facade.
My ex husband was verbally abusive and physically menacing. I doubt he thought he was doing much if anything wrong, and even if he did, I doubt he ever would discuss it with his (very few) friends.
Let’s face it. We live in a society where people would rather believe that a woman lies, wants just money, blackmails, throws tantrums, harms herself, fakes wounds (and whatever) than even consider the possibility that a man abuses his wife in private. Unbelievable.
It is so depressing to read all this stuff from people online. So many horrible comments. But the worst are the ones a la “ok he abused her, but she really should stay silent and go away.” Basically telling victims to hide and be ashamed.
or they call them Spoiled Brats.. but some women are fine with men doing that because you know they are Award winners and make studios lots of money. There are lots of ways women get it.
Funny no one has a problem that Johnny is not hiding and going away.
Lundy Bancroft, the counselor that wrote an excellent book about abuse “Why does he do that: Inside the mind of Angry & Controlling Men”, says the US is one of the sexist countries in the world and after this sh*t storm called Depps supporters, beginning to see it.
To any high profile male Hollywood types reading this: It would be great to have someone male speak out on the vilification of Amber and other DV victims/survivors. This insane “blame the victim” s**t is beyond uncalled for.
It won’t happen unless they have a partner/family member who has been through it. He still has a lot of clout. You don’t hear of many female celebrities defnding her either right now. Look at Polanski, he admitted to drugging and sodomizing a 13 year old and they all say…but he’s a brilliant artist. After all this time and education about sexual assault, they still defend him. This world (both genders for the most part) could give a rats ass about the victimized if there is money and power involved.
Depp is a contemporary of Keanu Reeves. They were both beautiful young men in the 80s and 90s. Seems barely possible, now. They look like a different species, never mind generation.
I would take 51-year-old Keanu Reeves over any of the hot 25-year-olds working in movies today. And I will go out on a limb and say he was better-looking than Johnny Depp even when they were young.
I think Johnny is unstable and has been for a long, long time. I would not be surprised if this whole thing ended very badly.
That is one of my biggest worries. He is not just in danger of hurting others. He is a danger to himself as well.
The Daily Beast got a story from ET, purportedly between AH and Depp’s former asisstant detailing abuse in London, the island and Tokyo.
HE KICKED HER!
THEN didnt have the balls to say how much he regretted it. Instead he had the asisstant plead his case so she would not leave his sorry ass before they were even married!
I guess being envied for your beauty and style; and being wildly rich to my poor ass standards, does not do a thing for your self esteem.
And his assistant talk about him like he is a helpless kid! She seems to be so concerned about him at the same time, that no one tells him like it is. F*cking enablers, yes people!:/
Could his assistance be called up to testify? Some people are already saying those texts are false. Which is expected…
No way are they fake. ET wouldn’t publish unless their source was an authorized person from Amber’s camp, and for Amber’s lawyer or publicist to pass on fake texts would be too stupid.
Depp’s former assistant has just deleted his twitter account, which is very telling. And “enablers” is exactly the right word.
@Sam, when I say being fake is going by theory that she created them because it’s possible. I don’t believe it, but the few comments I read were all over that assumption. There’s also news about the police, apparently Amber says the police is lying (TMZ) and that there are connections between Depp and LA police…
If that Stephen deleted his account is it SUPER suspicious.
that was not wise on her PR’s part if that’s meant to be used as evidence in her case. exclusive means they were sold, not just released to the media. ET was clear they can’t confirm anything about this, including whether they were edited mind you
i think they’re real but the guy deleting his account isn’t proof imo. even if it’s not him or whatever you’d get hounded by everyone
J, you say you think the texts are real and then give five reasons you think they are not. You are just relaying talking points you hope some posters will repeat.
no, i think people have brains here lol cindy lou. i was just too lazy to @ sam that et posting them doesn’t mean they confirmed for sure and the guy deleting his twitter isn’t some smoking gun either
i just would not have released them personally, or at least not as an exclusive. i don’t think her pr and legal team are on the same page or working as smart as they could be. winning in court is more important that winning in public opinion imo
And the other shoe just dropped.
I was hoping he didn’t have everyone paid off and silent.
Sorry but I don’t believe her anyway. Maybe because she doesn’t look like a woman that could stay with a woman beater . She looks like she would fight back immediately. She doesn’t look like she could be a victim.
Your comment is part of the problem. There is no perfect victim. But there is a lot of ignorance about how domestic violence develops in a relationship.
I know everything about domestic violence. I had it in my own life. That’s why I don’t believe her. She could go away anytime. The real victims can’t.
Why domestic violence victims don’t leave (it’s a Ted talk):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1yW5IsnSjo
I’m sorry you had to go through that, but I have to tell you that you are wrong and clearly don’t know everything. Women from all academic and financial backgrounds can be victims of domestic violence and stay, again there is no perfect victim and that idea by itself a big problem because undermines the ones who wish to come forward.
You know I initially defended Depp until People published these additional pictures. I didnt believe her because the police were there but she didnt tell them he beat her and they didnt report that they saw evidence she was beaten.
However dumb I thought I was, at least I know there is someone out there that is more dumb than me.
@margaret – What you’re saying is just plain offensive.
Besides the fact that you obviously do have a lot of ignorance about abusive relationships, or else you would realize how incredibly difficult it is to “just go away anytime.” I want to know what, exactly, makes someone a “real” victim of domestic violence? Obviously, in your world, it’s not getting hit, screamed at, suffocated, threatened, emotionally tortured, and humiliated. If that’s not a REAL victim of domestic violence, then I truly don’t know what is.
It sounds like you’re saying “Amber is an independent woman with financial means, a career, and friends, so there’s no way she could have been abused by Johnny.” I mean, what the hell?
Let me play devil’s advocate here. You say that the only “real” DV victims are ones who “can’t go away.” So, basically to you, the only real DV victims are people who’ve gotten themselves into a position where they are *completely* dependent upon their partner for money, support, etc. One could argue that, by the choices they made (not having a job, not having friends, so on), they willingly placed themselves in a vulnerable position for an abusive relationship that can’t be ended. Imagine a woman like that claiming to be a victim of abuse. Imagine people saying, “I don’t believe she was abused because she let herself get in a situation where she couldn’t leave. She’s not a real victim. Real DV victims are the ones who make sure they’re never fully dependent on their partners.” Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?
REAL victims of domestic violence are people who have been abused…period. Full stop. That’s literally the definition. There are no qualifiers.
According to the Center for Relationship Abuse Awareness, the most common statements for victim blaming include, “She provoked him”, “They both have problems”, “She shouldn’t have married him after”, and “She was drunk”.
From here: http://www.redonline.co.uk/red-women/news-in-brief/twitter-users-rally-in-support-of-amber-heard
Alice Cooper has been sober for a very long time and he very spiritual. I think Joe Perry is sober too. If Depp is a serious drunk he can only stay sober for so long before there are problems with the band. Time will tell. Maybe this can be a wake up call.
In Portugal, at the concert at least Johnny and Perry looked high:/ This must all be really shitty for the band, I can’t stand them, but now they have to somehow deal with this mess too.
I think I read on the dailymail that he keeps to himself..probably for that very reason. I bet that does not go over well for long.
I actually feel sorry for the band, because apparently this was just a fun gig for them and now there is all this drama around them. Obvisouly they knew they having Depp on the band would always attract lots of attention but they weren’t expecting this for sure.
If someone like Cooper who saw the worst of excesses sees Johnny going down that route, maybe he will try to do something about it. But i guess most friends are sort of seeing it develop without saying a word:/
This trainwreck just keeps getting worse. Glad she got out of there.
I had a few doubts about her, but now I 100% believe her story. I was just hoping this was a one time thing.
Very sad in deed. I have no idea why she wouldn’t leave, as she said before she is an independent woman, she had no kids, the marriage was short… but in no way she should be blamed. I hope she is better. He pictures smiling the other day make me feel glad for her, she seems to be handling this well.
See this Ted talk “Why women stay”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1yW5IsnSjo
I wonder why the suffocation incident wasn’t the thing that pushed her to divorce him? I know that in DV cases some victims will be even more terrified to leave after something life-threatening like that. Maybe she just needed to gather her courage.
Good for her friends, pushing her to document the abuse. She would have had a very hard time being believed without photographic evidence to back her up.
I’ve never liked Amber, and I don’t like her now (I will never be able to like a person who flouts our quarantine laws because of pure egotism and selfishness), but I do respect her for being brave enough to take on such a powerful figure. She’s not going to take his side’s slurs lying down. Brave girl.
I generally like to wait for court verdicts before I feel comfortable believing in a person’s innocence or guilt, but I’m a strong believer that evidence talks and she’s the one with evidence.
There is TOO much evidence.
Amber submitted PHOTOS!!
And still people are questioning her, insisting their dear Depp must be an angel. I am beginning to lose any sympathy for Johnny. He has been violent toward his partners for years and years. There is too much evidence. Too many arrests and articles and most of all, photos.
Amber Heard did not put those injuries on with makeup.
And women ALL the time keep abuses to themselves, not telling the police or anyone.
Johnny Depp is done for me. Overdone.
I’m usually a big fan of DListed but, man, the comments on there about this are making me feel sick.
Yes so shocked what people write there. That’s not the dlisted i know and love 🙁
Evil Beet Gossip nails it: “I’ll be honest with you — I’ve been trying to avoid reading the comments section of any article about the Amber Heard and Johnny Depp relationship, divorce, and abuse allegations because people are fucking terrible. Claiming that Amber is lying because she’s a “gold digging bitch” who just wants to destroy his career. I love that literally all a dude has to say is “Nah, I didn’t do it” and everyone believes him, but a woman basically has to produces endless proverbial receipts to get anyone to even listen to her and she’s STILL called a lying, manipulative bitch who just wants to bring a good man down. It’s depressing, upsetting and a perfect example of why so many women remain silent about living through abusive situations.”
Amber has been so intelligent until now that she said she doesn’t want the police to prosecute him, she doesn’t want to bury him because she still loves him. TMZ is reporting!
No Amber, you should forget him. his people tried to kill your public image, he doesn’t deserve your love
Exactly. She’s on the cover of people mag for god sake. I would think she’s past the point of no return.
Oh boy, if TMZ is to be believed Amber apparently had a change of heart about filing a police report because she still “loves him and doesn’t want to bury him.” If true that’s really, so very disappointing. I understand the situation is complex and that abusers can have an overwhelming hold on their victims, and that going against a man like johnny takes guts, but having her lawyers release a statement describing her as a hero for her to just back out is frustrating and irresponsible because it will only subject her to more humiliation and attacks. To someone objectively looking at the situation her evidence, if not 100% damning of Depp (to his fans mostly), does not make him look good at all. So even if she’s trying to save him she already has damaged his reputation forever.
Also, she has to know that because of his influence he’s probably not going to jail anyway, but she can still try get justice (hopefully) while also helping him. We all know that the only way he’d most likely get help is being forced to go to anger management, rehab, etc. by a judge.
She’s showing the scratches in that photo – making sure that they are photographed. She was crying for help even then.
I’m so glad that she was able to get out before he killed her!
#TeamAmber
And not one industry person has spoken up in her defense. Not one woman..not one friend that is as famous as her. Not one. Depressing. Only those in her intimate circle..Pictures..police reports and zilch. Guess he is just going to be another Woody Allen