There’s been a lot of problematic bros-before-hos-ism going around Hollywood with the Johnny Depp-Amber Heard situation. It reminds me a bit about the Bill Cosby stuff, where there are some people who just cannot wrap their heads around the idea that a once-beloved, popular and powerful man is actually an abuser/rapist/terrible person. Even as dozens of women were coming out to tell their stories about Bill Cosby, there were still Cosby defenders saying “meh, it’s no big deal.” So it is with Johnny Depp. I would have hoped that all of the publicists in Hollywood would have just told their clients “JUST SAY NO COMMENT, for the love of God.” But Johnny’s best bros can’t help themselves. Tim Burton is letting his presence beside Depp do the talking. Depp’s friend Terry Gilliam has defended him too. And now Benicio del Toro, Depp’s friend since they costarred in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, is defending him too.
Johnny Depp’s pal Benicio Del Toro is skeptical of Amber Heard’s bombshell domestic abuse allegations.
“What I know, there’s a lot of trouble from the girl that sounds a little manipulative,” the Oscar winner told the Daily News’ Confidenti@l Tuesday at an event sponsored by Heineken. “It sounds a little bit like there’s something really twisted about that girl … but I don’t know the specifics.”
Heard filed for divorce May 23, three days after Depp’s mother died. She won a temporary restraining order against him later that week, alleging he had “verbally and physically abused” her throughout their four years as a couple. But Del Toro called his “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas” co-star “a nice guy, very caring, very smart” — and seemed wary of the circumstances around Heard’s abuse claims.
“It seems the fact that his mom passed away and she filed for divorce two days later and then she wants money and she’s saying she got hit, it’s almost like, wait, I saw them not too long ago. Maybe it was January, a dinner for the Oscars or something like that,” Del Toro told Confidenti@l. “He was there with her and they were fine.”
I bet the Heineken people were really glad that Benicio used their event to speak about this. “Heineken does not endorse the misogyny of their spokesperson,” is probably what some beer publicist is writing now. As for Benicio tagging Amber with the labels of “manipulative” and “twisted,” this is what I’m talking about with the bro-ism, and this is the often-seen bro-gaslighting. Use sexist, coded language to describe the woman. She’s manipulative, dude. She’s so twisted, bro. Some dudes (and they’re usually dudes) just can’t wrap their heads around the simplest explanation, that their friend and dude-bro is an abuser. And after all we’ve heard about Johnny Depp in the past two weeks, how is it that AMBER is the manipulative and twisted one?
Also: “I saw them in January and they were fine” is not a good defense. It’s like the Stanford Rapist’s father saying that his son was a good kid except for those “20 minutes of action.” I’ve seen thousands of photos of Depp and Heard where they look fine. That doesn’t mean he wasn’t kicking, strangling and head-butting her every few months.
Photos courtesy of WENN, Getty.
We’re done Del Toro, so many celebrities showing their true colors. So dissapointing.
Yup, and Del Toro and Gilliam kind of hurts. But we’re done, no more of my money going your way.
What a douche. Adding him to the growing list of people I won’t pay money to see.
“I don’t know the specifics” but I’ll choose to comment to the global media anyway. Thanks Benicio.
Paul Bettany too.
Ughh, Paul, really? I’m so bummed by all these idiots. It’s like finding out someone is a scientologist.
Noooooooooooo. Not Paul Bettany 🙁
He IS a dbag.
BUT Amber got popped by a cop for violence against her GF.
Then they both accused the cop of “homophobia.”
Then the cop was revealed as being an open Lesbian.
So Amber seems kinda sketchy, a little too prepared to be victimized.
If she hit her GF maybe she and Depp hit each other. I’m not sure at this point.
I needed to save some cash, just found some fat to trim.
@Joan stop trying to make that arrest into something that it wasn’t! Her ex said TWO PEOPLE! And that she was wrongly accused. Charges were dropped.It’s tmz/Harvey doing some dirty work for Depp’s lawyer because they know each other.I believe the ex just like I believe Depp’s exes when they say he never hit them. Doesn’t mean he didn’t hit Amber.
A person can be a perpetrator of DV and a victim of it. A previous altercation does not undermine the capability of Depp to perform violence, especially given the mountain of evidence building that suggests her claims are legitimate – most of which has been verified by objective sources.
Yes, but in a way I’m glad they’re showing who they really are, so I won’t spend my money in them anymore.
Me too. It’s good when people in Hollywood say shit like this because it makes it easy to know whose work to support and whose to sidestep.
I’ve had a major thing for Benecio for like forever, so it’s amazing to me what a fecking cold shower his good ol’ boy comments about Amber are. Jackass
Ditto. Since forever. So disappointed.
About 12 yrs ago, he was filming in my city. I sat down at one of my fave restaurants with a friend and he was there. I had a huge crush but I also worked with celebrities and knew to be respectful. I asked our waiter to send him another of what he was drinking (on me) with a note “from a fan, i love your recent performances and wanted to thank you for your work.” I was obsessed with way of the gun in particular. The waiter came back and said “I’m so very sorry, but the other customer would like to return your drink and let you to know he’s uninterested in your opinion. I’m happy to credit the tab.” When what I saw was the waiter saying this is from a fan and Benicio yelled “eff her, why would I care what she thinks.” Then he pointed at me and dismissed the waiter. The people he was with seemed not entirely surprised. Lady boner killed. Just stay humble folks.
@Chicagogurl: That was beyond shitty of him. I hope he got food poisoning that night. xo
He’s gross, rude and stupid , I used to be a fan, not anymore!
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
He’s weighing in on the character and veracity of a domestic violence victim, and his “opinion” is, even though he doesn’t know the specifics, she’s obviously lying because he saw them months ago and Johnny wasn’t beating her. She must be twisted and manipulative. So, yes, I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion. And everyone else with a brain is entitled to call it what it is.
I agree. If Benicio wanted to support his friend, all he had to do was say that he’s known Johnny to be a nice guy and that these allegations come as a complete surprise, without trashing Amber.
Also, referring to Johnny’s wife as “the girl” is belittling.
Is anyone here saying he’s not? He’s got his, and we’ve got ours, and they don’t agree.
He can say what he wants, doesn’t mean he’s not going to get called on it when it’s something stupid.
it’s like what people say about freedom of speech.
so many don’t understand that freedom of speech does NOT equal freedom from consequences of that speech.
I will absolutely defend your right to say something dumb, but I’m also going to tell you how dumb you are.
@doofus: If “I will absolutely defend your right to say something dumb, but I’m also going to tell you how dumb you are.” isn’t already a tshirt, I’m making it so 😀
Uhm, I would have to say: NO. A whole big pile of NO.
There are limits to freedom of speech.
Yes, one is allowed to make dumb statements most people would not agree with- you’re entitled to being uninformed. What is not allowed, or at least it should not be, is publicly making misogynist, cynical remarks about a legal case that’s still pending. Especially if you’re a celebrity! Dude, think about the example you’re setting and shut the hell up!
As BDT isn’t part of the case, I believe he has no legal restrictions on what he can say about. So he’s free to speak and to show the world what a misogynistic twit he is.
One scary thing you wrote is there are LIMITS to freedom of speech.
I’ve lived in a totalitarian country and will tell only that: EMBRACE your freedom of speech regardless how uncomfortable, hurtful and outright stupid it may appear at times. The alternative is horrid.
Limits on freedom of speech do exist but the ones you listed are not part of those limits. Limits are not for opinions necessarily but placed on statements inciting violence, for example. Everything he said is totally allowed by law. Hate speech has been protected by Supreme Court numerous times because we do have the right to say what we want. His opinion is no more uninformed than anyone else in this thread right?
There actually are legitimate limits to free speech: I can’t shout fire in a crowded movie hours. If I slander someone they can sue for damages. I can’t lie under oath. I am fine with that.
BDT is stupid, and it shows. And we are all free to call this exactly what it is. Pretty soon one of these guys are all going go “waaaah, waaaah, all the politically correct people are criticizing me, waaaaah, waaaaah.” That is when they will be perfectly ripe for elevated levels of ridicule scorn. With any luck, one or two might wise up and realize you can’t pull this sh*t anymore.
There’s allowed by law and allowed by society and those are very different things. Free speech means that, unless specific circumstances are met like shouting “fire” in a crowded building, you cannot be arrested for saying things. You will not go to jail for spouting whatever dumbass opinion pops into your head, be it about a public figure or the crab people trying to take over our planet.
However, there are plenty of social consequences that are not part of the legal system for spouting aforementioned dumbass opinion. The most common is being told your opinion is wrong and stupid, generally followed by being told to shut up. This is a social consequence, not a legal one, and thus is not limiting your constitutional rights. Many people seem to be very confused about the difference between getting arrested by the police and being told to shut up by their peers.
“Many people seem to be very confused about the difference between getting arrested by the police and being told to shut up by their peers.”
Wren, I always have to wonder why this ever needs to be explained to adults, and yet it does.
“…there’s a lot of trouble from the girl that sounds a little manipulative” and ”…sounds a little bit like there’s something really twisted about that girl.” SOUNDS LIKE. Well, in that case…
The problem is that BDT is famous, and whatever drivel he spouts in a controversial matter such as this, is going to be reported widely. If I, Ms Nobody, make a stupid statement, only a few people are ever likely to know about it or, rightly, call me out on it.
As a matter of curiosity, given differing legal systems, would sub-judice apply in this case? In Australia, if a matter is before the courts, people are not permitted to discuss it in an open forum, and media are not permitted to report it.
Micki – There are limits to freedom of speech. The Constitution protects your right to speech from the government, not necessarily from private enterprise or public opinion. That’s why you can write a racist screed about the POTUS on your Facebook and not get arrested, but your boss who stumbles upon it can fire your ass in a heartbeat.
The word “entitled” needs to be dropped from all language.
Including the people who think Benicio’s opinion on this is horrible and sexist.
My opinion is that Benicio ain’t shit.
And we’re entitled to ours.
Del Toro is a misogynistic hack.
yup.
and my opinion of him just dropped significantly, because of HIS opinion.
see how that works?
+1
Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. It doesn’t mean everyone is immune to criticism of their opinion or consequences of voicing their opinion.
Can we all agree to never use this ridiculous “defense” ? NOBODY is saying JACK about his lack of entitlement of his opinion. Nobody. That is not the point. Not even close. Come on, people. Let’s put our thinking caps on.
Yes. We are definitely entitled to our opinions of him.
….and we’re entitled to ours.
@Wren: That part of your comment belongs up on a plaque somewhere: ““Many people seem to be very confused about the difference between getting arrested by the police and being told to shut up by their peers.”
I’m saving that in a mind file to use on someone one day. People are quite confused about free speech.
Agreed. That is pure, clear genius Wren. A keeper 🙂
Entitled to opnions but doesn’t mean it changes truth or facts.
Your troll is old.
Dude, shut up. You don’t even “know the specifics.” Pick up a magazine, go online. Read her filing. She has photos. That specific enough for ya?
I totoally agree @Izzy. dude, shut up.
This is like one of the Stanford Rapist’s hometown supporters: We don’t have all the facts. Except, he was just convicted.
SMH
That’s even worse because like you said, he was convicted so the whole innocent until proven guilty doesnt apply anymore, he’s guilty.
I live near Oakwood The Rapist’s hometown, and so seeing this total denial: We don’t have the facts, it’s not like what it’s portrayed on social media, it makes me ragey. Though, sadly, not surprised.
I can’t with this sh*t. He doesn’t know the specifics but thinks that is perfectly fine to say that she is twisted and manipulative? Oh yeah? Isn’t Depp’s team also a bit twisted and manipulative too? Are these people real? Can’t they just keep their superficial and uninformed opinions to themselves instead of talking like the assh*les who comment on so many online threads? UGH.
That’s what I find infuriating. To call someone “twisted” followed by “I don’t know the specifics”. And as ANYONE who has been involved in counselling victims or dealing with abusers, not every abuser acts the same around different people. A man who abuses his wife won’t necessarily be in any way abusive or violent towards co-workers, people in authority positions, etc. They typically only display abusive behaviour toward someone they have a measure of control (be it physical, emotional, or even financial) or authority over. Especially the clever ones. This is why you can have convicted serial killers whose neighbours or co-workers remark that they seemed perfectly normal, polite, friendly, etc.
I suspect he knows enough. It’s all over the place- the photos, the headlines saying he kicked her, etc etc. He knows, he read about like everyone else. But JD is his friend, so he went out of his way to comment. He easily could have said nothing, but he chose to say something. It was an ass-kissing comment, too. Ugh, he just thinks Amber is a nobody who is causing trouble for the great JD. Gross. He doesn’t care if he hit her, just thinks she should go away and saw an opportunity to help out his old pal and took it, just in case it benefits him at some point in the future.
Oh he saw them together 5 months ago and they were fine? How stupid of us all to think otherwise.
That’s me sold, Thanks Benicio!!!
Yeah can you imagine? What? The abuser didn’t blow up at her in a very public place where he would look bad? That’s just insane!
IKR? And this “the girl” shit just makes it feels extra dismissive and insulting.
Well, he apparently didn’t drag her to dinner by her hair so clearly he is innocent! I mean it’s not like people can behave differently depending on where they are. He’s gross.
The first part of your comment made me laugh….and then I felt bad.
+1 though.
Yeah, that’s a terrible defense. There were plenty of pictures where Chris Brown and Rihanna looked fine in public together too, but we all saw his abuse of her. It also shows his ignorance, if he thinks an abusive relationship means that every time the people in the relationship are seen in public, there will be signs of someone being miserable, angry, scared, or out of control.
Idiot. Stupid, blind mysogynist bloody idiot. You saw them this winter and they were fine? Oooohhhh, well then, it must all be a lie in spite of the witnesses who saw her swollen face and bloody pillow and clumps of hair. Because everybody knows that abusers are never “nice” in front of other people. Honestly, that is the lamest defense I’ve heard yet. Moron.
Oh please, go have sex with teens barely 18 in public and have some more babies you don’t give a shit about Ben..go on. You creep.
Lol exactly. This man is hardly a role model himself.
Yeah that pretty much kills his credibility in my opinion.
Thats why I’m never surprised when sketchy men stand up for sketchy men. I mean if the public starts listening to the “girls” then a lot of these men are screwed. Remember when Depp stood up for Polanski?
“Remember when Depp stood up for Polanski?”
yes, and that’s when I stopped paying to see his work. this whole mess with his DV just makes it that much more clear.
And Mickey Rourke stood up for Johnny. Mickey Rourke, who is rumored to have shot Carre Otis (or at least held a gun to her head) because he was feeling jealous.
None of these guys are good character witnesses!
God, I used to be a fan of this man. What a dumb piece of sh-t he turned out to be.
Frightening. So women that get hit are unable to go out for cheddar bay biscuits with their husbands without mouthing,”help” to wait staff and acquaintances they bump into? Life is way more complicated than these pigs give it credit for.
That is the dumbest statement that has come out of this situation yet. He’s not even saying anything except “Meh, I like him and she sounds sketchy.” Uh, dude, STFU. Also, they were fine that one time I saw them this year. Yes. And it snowed in January. That doesn’t mean climate change isn’t real.
Can I just say, I clicked on this post and almost fell over realizing how hot JD used to be. I keep forgetting.
“Can I just say, I clicked on this post and almost fell over realizing how hot JD used to be. I keep forgetting.”
BOTH of them! I did a double take too…!
He doesn’t know the specifics, but is so sure it’s manipulation and twisted on Amber’s part.
Of course! And don’t forget the spine chilling evidence he has – he saw them months ago and they seemed fine. Looks like he has this case all wrapped up now and the lawyers can just go home.
He only doesnt have the specifics when it comes to Johnny, but Amber he has the full story and feels comfortable calling her manipulative and a liar.
*sticks two fingers up*
Jog on mate!
fucking asshole – I don’t know anything about it but im gonna mouth off anyway
There’s something twisted in the fact that Johnny Depp needed to go to European tour with his musician pals with his band after his mom died.
He was obliged to go, though? It’s a big summer tour that was planned months ago.
Plenty of actors and singers take a break after the death of a loved one. Celine Dion is a much bigger money-maker and took time to care for her husband and to mourn before getting back to work. Sure, she didn’t need the money, but neither does Depp, and she has a much larger fan base as a musician than he does. I’m sure there are other examples. And his bandmates could have gone on without him, it’s not like he’s the Mick Jagger of the group.
@Who ARE these people? Well then maybe it was his way of grieving?
Maybe, but then his lawyer shouldn’t have accused his wife of being insensitive to his loss.
I agree he’s a total tool, but I have also learned that people react differently to the death of a loved one, and I try not to be judgmental about their choices. I have a friend who lost her husband on a Thursday and went back to work on Monday. She said she would go crazy if she didn’t. Personally, I wouldn’t be able to concentrate, but that’s what she needed to do. In Johnny’s case, it seems more like running away from everything, but who knows?
I for one would not be able to sit at home. I’d have to do something, anything to take my mind off my loss.
But I’m so disgusted by Johnny at this point that I don’t feel like being generous. Amber was criticized for filing for divorce three days after his mom died so I don’t care if he’s criticized for touring so soon after her death.
Generally agree about the judging GNAT: but I worked with someone who took one day off, for the funeral, when his mum died. He was annoyed when someone chose not to contact him about a non-urgent work related issue on that day ,saying they should have contacted him on his mobile. I thought it was very disrespectful and if I was his mother I’d come back and haunt him. I may be prejudiced because he was in every respect a total pri@ck.
Its also strange how they keep claiming that he was very close with his mother, that they have been anticipating her death for a few months and yet he spent that time on set, on press promotion, in rehearsals or on tour. And all while visibly intoxicated. A man this wealthy didnt need to be scheduling so much at such a critical time and yet he did.
If the death was expected and a long time coming, he very likely did a lot of pre-mourning. He could be feeling a mixture of relief and the need for distraction after she finally died. People react in all different ways, we can’t really judge.
Ugh, so disappointing. He said he doesn’t know the specifics yet went on to say she is manipulative and twisted. I understand he and Johnny worked together but STFU, you do not know what happened. She may be all those things but she doesn’t deserve to be head-butted, dragged by the hair, choked, etc. F@cking idiot!
Impregnated Kim Stewart.
So much good instinct and judgement here.
Go away.
and had sex with Scar Johansson in an elevator after they had just met.
he is a disgusting piece of work, but I’m pretty sure they both said that was not true.
And there was this blind item where a lot of people thought it might be him:
http://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2012/11/todays-blind-items-the-pregnancies.html
Twisted and manipulative is the new “mentally instable or too sensitive” ???
I don’t know if it’s better if these people keep their mouth shout, or continue to talk showing their true colors.
It is very disappointing when your favs turn out to be douchebags. Thankfully most of the people who have been showing their true colours are not people that I liked anyway. It definitely makes the list of people I am willing to spend money on shorter.
Why don’t they go the whole hog and start referring to women as ‘Hysterical’ and banging them off for Electro shock treatment when they don’t ‘conform’?
*Insert offensive name calling that suits your taste*
You win! Boom! 😱😅😅😅😅😅😅
“The Girl”… makes my stomack turn
Exactly. Just interchangeable dollies to him. I hope more women turn him down as a result of his ignorant, hateful statements.
Yes, I defended an older woman’s right to teasingly refer to her friends as girls, but a man referring to a grown woman? No.
It’s so dismissive and condescending it makes me furious.
Yes. Tells you all you need to know about him and his views about women.
Yes DS it’s very revealing
Clearly BDT sees himself and Johnny as peers and “the girl” as a nameless interchangeable (sex) object. It’s not even worth saying her name apparently but it’s fine to disparage her character and malign her account.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
He is entitled to his opinion, but as far as I care he can go away too. Never liked his looks and do not care to see him in movies.
Well I guess this is the next person Amber’s legal team will have to sue….
I certainly hope they will.
That would be a bad idea. It’s one thing to sue a comic that a lot of people have never heard of, but to sue an Oscar, Golden Globe and BAFTA winner with a significant filmography is not going to help her cause.
If you’re speaking about a domestic violence case of which you don’t know specifics and proceed to speak negatively of one of the people involved you open yourself to litigation. In this situation, it’s a safer bet for him to emulate all those statues he’s won-look pretty and stay silent.
Of course he can have an opinion but doesn’t mean one can’t agree and challenge them.
Thank god I’ve never been into him. He sounds so dumb here.
On the plus side, compare and contrast the lumpen, unreconstructed, barely articulate, misogynistic rantings of Depp’s bros with the sober, informed and entirely thoughtful support pieces by those in Heard’s corner.
Yeah, but her friends’ are women and his friends are men. Men can say dumb s–t (cross ref: Trump) and be taken seriously. Women can say smart s–t and … not.
Seriously.
“Some dudes (and they’re usually dudes) just can’t wrap their heads around the simplest explanation, that their friend and dude-bro is an abuser.”
I think they know full well that their dude friend is an abuser, they just think it’s OK because they don’t think women have any value.
Agree. To him it seems like, “Hey, what’s the big deal?”
Exactly. He is a misogynistic douchebag who has probably treated a woman with similar disdain and contempt. Eff him.
I remember reading an interview with him years ago. The interview was in a diner or restaurant. He whistled for the waitress to come over to the table. Who does that?
If I were that waitress…I’d lift my leg and pee on him.
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, because he saw them at an Oscar party in January, Depp couldn’t have abused his wife in May?? Lay off the coke, Benicio!
Paul Bettany tried to defend JD on twitter and got a lot of negative responses and toned it down. I think is also friends with Bingo’s boyfriend…
NOOOOOOO!
I know… 😞
But he only spoke about JD’s character. So, it wasn’t as bad as Del Toro. I think it was on May 28th.
Man, they really are coming out of the woodwork, aren’t they?
Listen, I get that when somebody is your friend, it’s nearly impossible to be impartial and to view a situation through objective eyes. And I don’t expect people to be able to do that. But for those people who are friends with Johnny Depp, how hard is it to simply 1.) refuse to discuss it or 2.) just not bring up Amber? You can say, “He’s my friend and I care for him and it’s a sad situation and I hope it resolves well” or something like that? You do not have to accuse Amber of lying or extortion or anything. You can think that he’s an overall decent guy with serious addiction issues who needs help. You can think that, and say that, without calling Amber a liar or fraud. How hard is it for people to get that?
Extremely hard, apparently. And not just for Johnny’s pals. Last night I was reading some articles about that dippy girl who got her ass handed to her online for her victim-blaming statement defending her dear friend Brock Turner. That was bad enough, but when I opened one of the articles, an autoplay ad started up featuring … Johnny Depp. I really thought my head was going to explode.
That is EXACTLY what I’ve been thinking. I too get that it’s hard to reconcile that image with someone you care about, and maybe you can’t even believe it, fine. But there are ways to be supportive without being accusatory and dismissive of DV in general.
That’s what I keep thinking. I understand the impulse to support a friend – especially if you believe that he’s dealing with addiction issues. But you can be a supportive friend without attacking the person your friend might have hurt. I have been in that position personally and I will freely admit that it is hard and some people won’t be happy with whatever you choose to do. But maligning Amber’s character crosses the line for me. I also do not understand why so many feel the need to declare their public support. Can they just not support Johnny in private? It makes no sense to me.
Not surprised. In my mind, he’s always been a creepy dipsh*t.
Can I also just point out that Benicio acknowledges that he saw them at a professional event. So basically, he doesn’t believe Amber because Johnny didn’t pull her around by her hair at an Oscars dinner where every single person worth working with in his field was in attendance.
Yeah, I saw Cosby on reruns a few times while flipping through stations on the treadmill TV … he never seemed to be raping any women there.
I’ve seen pictures of Ted Bundy when he wasn’t killing people, so I guess that’s all made up.
Yup.
HA you both win!
Damn, Johnny looks good in those old pictures! I miss him being hot and not knowing this terrible stuff about him.
Smoke coming out of his nostrils … not so hot to me. Like a bull in the ring.
I miss hot Johnny too. I wish he would get sober, take responsibility here, do what he has to do to work through his anger, get healthy, and stop acting in cartoon movies and start acting in good movies again. But I think hot Johnny is never coming back for some of us. We can mourn silently.
Forget looking like a completely different man; he looks like a completely different species now.
I was struck by that too! For some reason I’m now always surprised by how hot he is in old pictures, like his current “liver failure zombie” look is so burned into my brain that I don’t picture him any other way.
Oh well, it’s always sad to lose something you liked, even if that thing never actually existed, like Hot Not-Douchebag Johnny.
This is so unfortunate. I used to crush so much on this guy. The misogyny and loaded language around this whole thing, I just can’t. I think it’s time the men in Hollywood fell under more scrutiny though and I think maybe the only good thing that can come out of horrible tradgedies like this, like Mia Farrow coming forward, like Elijah Wood saying he knows a culture of pedophilia and sexual exploitation in Hollywood still exists… Is that it begins a much needed dialogue about who we give power and money to in our culture and why. It’s really time we put the spotlight on misogyny for awhile in this country. Especially as it intersects with race and homophobia. I have seen the media play up every angle to silence this woman in the past week or so. Sad. i hope she keeps raising her voice. “Bro-gaslighting!” Seriously. This. All day. “I hope she gets the help she needs.”-Says every abusive guy ever
EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion, as someone has said on here, but going on record saying this kind of bullshit, is another thing.
How dare he comment on a situation he clearly knows NOTHING about?
He was sending a specific message, and it’s all part of the character’s assassination that the people around Depp have been perpetrating. It’s shameful and disgusting. I am sure Del Toro and Depp are not even that close.
His comment sounds really dismissive “that girl” . Like he can’t be bothered with her name. Hey she was his friend’s wife!
It’s very telling about ‘friendships’ in HW, too.
So interesting to watch the bros close ranks. Aside from general misogyny, I think this triggers their own anxieties about “gold diggers” etc.
Another sexist pig in Hollywood. How surprising. He does look like someone who would respond to domestic abuse victim as twisted, because it this dude’s mind even if the woman is kicked and hit probably she did something twisted to provoke the por sensitive soul that is Johnny
Well, if you don’t know the specifics, the best thing to do Ben, is to STFU
And some people wondered why amber didn’t come forward before or why she tried to settle quietly. It wasn’t because it was a money grab, it was because she didn’t want to dragged through the mud like this. Unfortunately, Johnny left her no choice.
This is the attitude of most privileged men, regardless of race. They abuse their power and access to buy ( and usually happens when they righteously did not earn it- see exceedingly gross incomes of Hollywood actors) and anyone else that they feel entitled to have their way, especially if there is a conflict of thought, belief or action. See–
Hugh Hefner
Bill Cosby
Johnny Depp
Roman Polanski
Woody Allen
They do not give two sh*ts about the human right of others if it presents a conflict with what they want to do. That is not their concern. All of that is irrelevant to them. They are focused on their privileged rights thanks to their acquired wealth. And yes, these inflated rights of entitlement and privilege are at the expense of others. They can buy people and bend the law in order to avoid consequence. They are fully aware that they are abusing. Their actions speak loud and clear.
What irritates me more is when other WOMEN surrender and support this thinking as well.
Yet again this is another example of how everyone in this case can be telling the truth as they see it and nothing is actually contradictory. Del Toro knows Johnny professionally and socially, but hasn’t seen him in awhile. What else exactly would he think? I know I’ve been surprised to learn that a couple I haven’t seen in awhile split up, like “oh huh, the last time I saw them (usually in public) they were fine”. That’s a normal human reaction.
So is his mysogenistic douchey opion. He likes Johnny, so she must be the awful one. People sometimes really are that simple. How many times have we told our friends that an ex was not good enough for them, a jerk or whatever negative label we land upon because we like our friend and if someone is having a problem with them it must be the other person’s fault.
Instead of condemning him and thus dismissing his comments, let’s use this as an example of how we tend to blindly fall back on what we’ve seen with our own eyes when confronted with distasteful information. And how we tend to protect our friends and shift blame when we shouldn’t.
Thank you, many of my favs have said dumb stuff. Its his opinion–shrug. I still like him as an actor, who is good at his craft in my opinion.
I don’t see him as a “no comment” type of guy…especially since he is Johnny’s friend.
Friends from both sides have been giving their opinion.
The issue is his attitude toward DV He is responsible for what he says and he seems to be characterizing the victim based on his attitudes about DV, which is unhealthy. Since when is it OK to describe a DV victim as manipulative and out for money AFTER they file a complaint? Why would you say such a thing when you are AWARE that the police have been called and a court order has been granted for Johnny to keep away from Amber????
@Wren – “Instead of condemning him and thus dismissing his comments, let’s use this as an example of how we tend to blindly fall back on what we’ve seen with our own eyes when confronted with distasteful information.”
Ugh. I couldn’t disagree more.
Del Toro, as a friend of Depp, voicing those opinions privately is one thing, voicing them publicly, knowing how they will feed into the hateful online narrative, and with such nasty, ignorant dismissal of Heard, is not remotely a ‘normal human reaction’.
If you want to see his comments as an example of something useful, fine. But do it on your own rather than suggesting we should all learn some lesson from it and/or see it as a reflection of our own ‘blind’ prejudices.
The really frightening thing is that if this is what he thinks is reasonable to say in public, it really doesn’t bear thinking about what he’s saying about Heard in private.
Maybe I’m just more jaded, but what he said really just sounded like off the cuff dude-bro opinions. How much does he even know about the situation? He said he saw them 5 months ago, it hardly sounds like he’s super informed and he probably didn’t spend a whole lot of time reading up on the specifics. For all we know, he heard/read one report, thought, “whoa, harsh” and that was pretty much it. It’s obvious he doesn’t like Amber, but none of Johnny’s friends seem to have liked her. People seem to think he has intimate knowledge of the situation but his words indicate almost the exact opposite.
I don’t know, saying “I don’t know anything about this, but she’s manipulative and twisted” is a pretty sick thing to say, especially in a public forum, where he KNEW this would get published and bandied around town. He knew this would happen – he’s a celebrity and it’s not his first year. No matter what actually happened between Johnny Depp and Amber Heard, putting out a public statement like this is irresponsible at best.
“I don’t know the specifics.”
Should have stopped there, Benicio.
Agree. He just had to say something about “the girl”.
Captain obvious right there. He could be supportive without being dismissive of her, Just saying he didn’t know the details but hoped everything would be sorted out would be more than enough, no?
I’m probably in the minority but I’m tired of this story already. I hope there’s a new scandal coming soon. Maybe just cheating with a nanny … Something light.
no, I’m with you. tired of it.
You’re not alone. Amber Heard was probably abused. Johnny Depp probably did it. What’s left to say?
I am tired too and I hope this gets solved soon amd privately.
Heards timing for filing divorce might be not-so-good but mayby she planned doing it when Depp was on other continent and occupied with his band. Safe move from her.
Yes. And there was never going to be a ‘perfect’ time. From her point of view, she had to get out.
Maybe she is twisted and manipulative. She is a bit of an oddball, I think. After all, isn’t it what Johnny loved about her? But it neither proves nor disproves the fact that abuse could’ve occurred.
I personally don’t like this hysteria and endorsements or shading of either side, because it doesn’t help really. A Johnny Depp could have been an amazing father and husband to one wife, and then lose his shit and abuse the second one. Just because he didn’t do anything to Vanessa or any other girlfriends doesn’t mean he didn’t do it to Amber.
And Amber might have had restraining order against her. Which doesn’t mean that she couldn’t have been a victim to Johnny’s abuse.
Let the thorough investigation reveal the truth. Hold your hysteria, people.
The women on this thread are NOT hysterical.
You are of the same kind as Benecio. In light of a NUMBER of DV and sexual abuse cases in the media against women being DISMISSED or DISCOUNTED recently (Bill Cosby, Stanford rape that was all dismissed after a guilty verdict, Johhny/Amber), the women are NATURALLY having a discussion about what this means on a larger scale. The women talking are not as desensitized or numb as you. Thank God for those people who can still feel the pain and frustration others.
Trying to remind the public that you’re still around, Benny?
he’s an Oscar winner I think. Great actor. Have you seen the movie Sicario? recent movie. he was robbed of another Oscar nomination. one of the best of his generation. He loves his friend. He defended his friend. I don’t see the problem.
Saying you don’t know the specifics but still calling the alleged victim manipulative and twisted goes beyond supporting a friend. And considering Beniccio actually was a spokesperson against DV in 2012, well… He learned very little about it.
This situation is naturally complicated for someone who loves him, and that’s exactly why those people can still be supportive without the need to dismiss “that girl”. That’s just wrong.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/entertainment/2012/02/16/actor-benicio-del-toro-leads-fight-against-domestic-violence/
sarah I agree with you, he is definitely one of the best of his generation, he is just an incredible actor. My fave role of his was in Traffic.
BUT
I’m really sad to hear his quote. crap.
Then I read this on his Wiki page-
“In an interview with The Times he mentioned that he did not want his West Hollywood apartment, which he described as his “cave,” to be “invaded” by a wife and children.”
Enjoy your golden years, bro!
(good thing he likes dogs, they’re good company)
@Miss S – thank you for posting that link.
So what we can conclude from his earlier stance is that he is 100% anti DV as long as it doesn’t involve a friend of his or ‘manipulative’ and ‘twisted’ women.
“Aprendi a Quererme” must be so proud of him today.
Benicio and Depp have THE SAME PUBLICIST, Robin Baum. “I’m so shocked!” said no one.
http://www.laineygossip.com/Johnny-Depps-publicist-releases-official-statement-confirming-separation-from-Amber-Heard/44001
Great catch!
A general overview comment: I have a friend who lives and works out there in the industry and in the past she would tell me stuff that only locals knew. So, not defending domestic violence or any of that, I kind of get where del Toro is coming from when he says that he heard things about this actress. And that seems to be all he’s saying he heard talk about her behavior and put forth on his obviously admitted limited exposure that he saw nothing amiss: something that I suspect too many of us would say if we were suddenly forced to confront evidence about someone we knew who had serious issues. Victims will hide their situations out of fear or misplaced sense of guilt for being in that situation on top of other self defeating dynamics. Amber may have gone into this marriage thinking she could work it to her advantage and then realized that she was in way over her head. Like I said, I have a friend out there and she would describe the most appallingly mercenary manipulative behavior. Made me glad that I decided to become a writer/artist instead of sticking with acting /theater – and stayed well away from Hollywood. His opinion isn’t necessarily a bad reflection on del Toro, not based on the way that town works.
Are you saying your friend heard appallingly mercenary manipulative behavior in regards to Amber Heard? Dear me, no wonder Johnny tried to suffocate her.
No, just in the past, she’d hear stuff about people that wasn’t commonly or publicly known and sometimes it would go public in a big way that would surprise the general public: Michael Jackson back in the 90’s for instance. Not everyone there goes into a situation with the best of motives and sometimes they pay a higher price than they realize. This may be Amber’s situation, in which case, good for her that she finally got clear of it all.
Your sarcasm was unwarranted by the way, Crumpet.
By the way, how often have we all watched the evening news and heard neighbors talking about someone in trouble with the law. What is it they always say? Something about not suspecting a thing because nothing seemed wrong, etc.
Appearances can deceive the best of us sometimes.
These “bros” are doing Depp a disservice. Everytime one of them defends his actions is one more voice telling him he’s doing alright, and he’s clearly not.
Maybe they are his friends and believe him?
Like Amber’s friends are doing?
Yeah-because when I think of a reputable character-witness .. that a-hole comes to mind.
I’m so sick of bro-ism this week. It doesn’t matter if a woman is a drunk party girl, high maintenance bitch, or billionaire with corporate allies, we’re just as entitled to be flawed humans as men and not be raped, abused, or judged by different standards. (Forgive the tangent, but I’ve hated Hillary for so long, and now I’m really excited about her candidacy. I wish a woman like Warren could have been the one to break the barrier, but frankly it’s gonna take a hard ass like Hillary to weather the hatred she’s about to receive from her own party. Hate her but fairly acknowledge she’s paving a road no one else has been able to. And frankly, I’ve voted for the lesser evil so many times before and no one ever accused me of voting for a man just because he was a man).
Back on topic, Amber’s flaws don’t justify Depp’s physical abuse. At any point he could have filed for divorce if she was that awful.
Yes- I don’t have strong feelings one way or the other about Hillary, but she’s tough as nails and keeps calm under fire. Definitely a good barrier breaker.
This isn’t surprising because Hollywood is still a mans world no matter how liberal or progressive they paint themselves. Even progressive liberal males will have backwards thinking on women. They’re still in Don Draper Mad Men bubble and think its how the world in general operates.
I’m so sorry to keep bringing this back to politics, but it’s true. Liberal men are more open to taking chances on other liberal men than on women of any ideology. Again, not promoting Hillary here, but I don’t think any female candidate would have gotten as far espousing ideas as left of center as Bernie has. Women don’t get to be radical.
Very true statement. My Dad always told me as a woman I should never show emotion in the workplace because no matter how much society has so called change, women will always be judged for it. I’ve seen male mangers throw hissy fits and not one person mention of it or acknowledge it. If we as women do it, well we know the results of it. Blacklisted forever and yet those same men that throw tantrums all the time are still called the rational ones, the practical ones, the ones with the “male” brain. Its nauseating that this many years later, something my Dad told me as a teen is still true. So, yep…no woman running for any office could vocalize idealism like Bernie. Can you imagine the Bernie bros voting for the female version of him, lol?
I cannot believe that my love Benicio would say that. With a heavy heart I say that we are done, mister!
…said the guy who barebacks Kimberly Stewart in a stairwell and knocks her up…
Wouldn’t expect this guy to recognize good life choices.
Too bad such talent can exist in the same brain as mysogyny. If Johnny were not his friend, would he feel the same given the facts thus far? I think not. I’m just going to throw him into the “family” pile – those that refuse to beleive their loved one is capable of horrific behavior simply because they have not witnessed it with their own eyes and because they love him. We see this every day in the courts. Mothers, grandmothers, brothers, sisters who will go to their grave believing everyone is lying about their sweet little boy.
Regardless of her personality or any flaws she may have, she does not, I repeat, does not deserve to be anyone’s victim.
Attitudes like this are why that creep swimmer kid got just 6 months in jail.
I’ve always thought he was a crusty old a$$hole.
Hey, isn’t this guy played collector in gotg and tdw? Ugh both are ugly piece of shit.
Oh really Benicio? And what a gentleman you are. Another man I just lost respect for.
Oh, darlin’- if you don’t know the “specifics”, keep your mouth shut. Just say it’s a sad situation and you hope for the best for everybody and that’s it. If you’re a praying man, say you’re praying for them both. Don’t take sides in public.
And of course you see a different side of Depp. Heck, Amber usually saw a different side of Depp! He’s not going to interact with you the same way he might interact with his wife, even when drunk as a skunk. People are complicated.
That’s exactly how people who know and like Johnny and have never witnessed abusive behavior from him should handle it. Well said. You should work in PR
both him and depp are worthless scum bags! says one of the worst actor ever! neither has any class
Okay, let’s say Amber is the most manipulative person in the whole, big, wide world. None of us know her, this is just speculation. That’s still no excuse for abusing her. Not whatsoever. And I shake my head at the “well, I saw them in January and everything was fine.” Do you think a abusers let everyone in on the fact that they hit?
Yeah, I don’t understand the point of painting her with the crazy brush. So what? Depp could have left at any time if he was unhappy in the marriage. Even without a prenup, she wouldn’t have been entitled to much after only a few months of marriage with no kids, and he could well afford some walking money for her. Depp is not a victim here, no matter how you frame it.
Amber could have left at any time as well, especially with all of the AMAZINGLY supportive friends coming forth now! She could have crashed their homes just as her friends did at her husband, Johnny Depp’s home.
Girl”? She is 30, you old leather hand bag. She “sounds” … “really twisted and manipulative but I don’t know specifics” ? Sounds like you’re a nasty misogynist using tired misogynist terms like “manipulative girl.” Oh, go away you disgusting piece of stale bread crust.
I actually laughed when I read ‘I saw them in January and they looked fine’, because you have to have a negative IQ to think that seeing them looking ‘fine’ means nothing bad was happening behind closed doors. It’s especially idiotic because the people in questions are both actors.
Johnny I’m on your side. I don’t support abuse and have seen abuse first hand and with many of my friends. This woman is full of BS!! If you can look past her crap it’s pretty obvious what she is up too and the pictures btw don’t show shit, one little cut on the lip and that was not a black eye. I have been with my man for 7 years and we have a healthy relationship but we do have spats and sometimes things get broken, it’s not very common but things can happen with high doses of alcohol. It happens to the best of us. Didn’t she leave her gf for Johnny? And his mom just died?!? And now she wants a pity party and more money!! I agree he probably has a drinking problem which leads to anger but ya she is full of it. Everyone loses control after a night out once in awhile. I wish she would just STFU and go away. Who is she anyway? Nobody before him.
and just who are you kell? what gives you the right to talk abt amber in this way – shameful
Wow did you just brush over Johnny abusive actions towards her as “Everyone loses control after a night out once in awhile. ” wow just wow.
That statement alone proves that yes you do support abuse and think the victims should not speak up and fadeaway.
Hello?
I strongly disagree about one thing: celebrities need to talk as much as they can, so we can see how rotten some of them are.