Kim Kardashian gained a lot of weight during both of her pregnancies. I get the feeling that losing weight after her second pregnancy was a lot harder for her, but I also believe that Kim really wants this to be the last time that she bounces back. As in, Kim isn’t having any more babies. She doesn’t want to do that to her body again. Throughout her weight-loss journey, Kim has been posting essays to her subscription app, talking about body image and body confidence and how she hopes that other women find inspiration in her journey, if that’s what they want. She has a new piece this week about the same thing.
Regaining a positive body image: “Having a positive self-image has always been important to me because it affects so many aspects of my life: my work, my relationship with my husband and my life as a mom. After I had [North West], there was a part of me that was nervous about whether I’d be able to get back to anywhere near my pre-pregnancy weight and feel confident again, since I was now 50 pounds heavier. I knew I had to put in a lot of work, but I got there—it took me a good six or seven months. After 10 months, I felt like I was even better than before. I was curvier. I really felt like all the hard work paid off.”
The second pregnancy: “The second time around, it was easier for me to embrace the changes. I loved finding looks that showed off my pregnancy curves.” After Saint’s birth, she wrote, “I decided to set goals for myself. I was motivated, but it was tough! It isn’t easy to just bounce back.”
Jealousy & insecurity: “I was so jealous of women who had these cute little baby bellies and would gain 25 pounds—and then, a few weeks after giving birth, somehow look exactly like they did before they were pregnant. That’s not me.”
Kanye was there every step of the way: “I’m my own biggest critic, and Kanye is my biggest supporter. He always encourages me, and makes me feel confident about owning all my curves and showing them off.”
She hopes she’s a body-positive role model for North: “As North gets older, she’ll start to be more aware of herself and her body. Her attitude toward her body is directly related to my own, so it’s my responsibility to make sure she understands that positive body image comes from having a healthy self-esteem. We all have our hang-ups and things we might want to change, but my curves make me who I am. So I embrace my body and the changes I’ve gone through. If anything, those changes remind me of what I’m able to create with my body: two little angels that I love beyond words.”
The conversation about body image and what mothers pass on to their daughters is an interesting and complicated one for everyone, but let’s examine the Kim-North situation in particular. On the plus side, North will probably be curvy like her mom, and North will have seen her dad appreciate, respect and love her mom and her mom’s body, and that’s a good standard for any girl. On the plus side, Kim is right: if Kim loves, accepts and is proud of her body, that will be a positive influence on North. On the other side, I’ve always wondered what it’s like to grow up with a mother who messes with her face as much as Kim.
Kim also updated the world on her weight loss on Snapchat, claiming that she’s down to 125.4 lbs, and that she has 5 more pounds to go. And she said last Friday that another nude selfie is coming soon, so we better buckle up.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
The hair looks nice, but that oompa loompa orange is horrible.
Hmmm at this pregnancy talk. I think they will have a third kid. We’ll see.
I lost 20 with my first pregnancy and 15 with my second. Be jealous Kim, be jealous. I actually had to gain weight after them. Of course, then you have to be jealous of my 24-7 eight month morning sickness too.
Love the white dress and that cute hair. Hate that black outfit. Yikes.
I lost 20 too (and I was a small person to begin with). I was an ugly, non-glowing toilet worshiper. My best friend was pregnant at the same time, never threw up, and looked adorable. I’m def. in the category of people who hated being pregnant. We haven’t had any luck getting pregnant a second time and the doctor keeps saying I need to gain weight. One went as far as calling me anorexic, which was hurtful considering that I’ve no control over how my body has changed.
I feel your pain. I’m a runner, and I am also on the thin side, but certainly not Olympic runner size). I planned to be such a cute pregnant person the first time. I had images of cute flowey dresses and an adorable stomach. Instead, like you, I too worshiped the toilet and had to set alarms to force myself to eat. My husband used to pack little Ziplock bags of crackers, fruit, Graham Crackers, and other snacks when we’d go anywhere and pull them out to make me eat them. I drank special shakes, chugged water and ate so many bananas (because weirdly, they didn’t make me feel ill) that I half expected my daughter to come out a monkey.
My second pregnancy, the doc was all happy and positive at the beginning, because the all pregnancy puking thing doesn’t always happen in subsequent pregnancies. Nope. No luck there. Once again, the whole time.
I’m sorry your doctor said that to you. That is awful.
As a 70 pound gainer with both kids, I feel her. No matter what I ate each pregnancy I gained approx 70 pounds. I’m a healthy clean eater, I exercise regularly and I was 24 and 28 with each kids, yet I swelled up with pregnancy each time. I also didn’t lose all of it until I stopped nursing. Luckily I carried the weight well, my height probably helped with that, and when I look at pics now I don’t see a swollen cow (like I felt) but I see a softened version of myself, less angular, much much larger breasts and a beautiful healthy rosy glow about myself.
I shed a lot post pregnancy in the first three months, but I was definitely NOT like the women who could look normal 6 weeks after birth. My body (I’m Latina) simply isn’t designed that way. Non pregnant I’m a solid size 4 without effort. That process taught me so much about body love, acceptance and the miraculous feat of growing, breastfeeding and sustaining another human through their first year of life.
I put on 38 lbs and I’m short so I looked like a pregnant penguin. I tried to eat as healthy as I could, but I accepted early on I was not going to be a tiny and cute pregnant lady lol.
I gained 25 pounds during my pregnancy, but mostly thanks to suddenly chocolate being too sweet so I quit eating sweets then, and to my self control- one of my pregnancy symptoms was terrible hunger so that I would wake up at night hungry like wolf, but having weight issues since puberty I am used to sleeping hungry so I just wouldn’t get up to eat, I’d just wait for it to pass and go on sleeping. I lost it all in those 6 weeks post partum, but I look fatter than before, because I was fitter before and now I’m just flabbier.
Also, women I shared a hospital room with all said that weight will just go down like it’s nothing while breastfeeding but that’s turned out to be a lie 😉
I only gained 25 pounds with my daughter, but it had more to do with the fact that I was soooo sick and the only thing I could keep down was watermelon and raspberries. I had to take so many supplements because I was loosing weight and just couldn’t for the life of me keep food down. I then had horrible complications and severe internal bleeding after labour which required surgery, by the time I left the hospital I had lost 32 pounds and looked really sickly.
why do i feel like that skirt didn’t originally have a slit in it?
either way she looks good.
It’s crazy how much kids absorb that you don’t realize. I mean – that’s the point of childhood, really. But it’s just as easy for them to absorb negativity and it’s scary when you realize that. It’s important to have a good body image for your own mental health – you don’t need to love every aspect of yourself – hell, I hate the chronic pain I have. But I try to remind myself that I’m tough, and it’s something I know I can handle. I never liked that I had wider hips and bigger thighs growing up – but I realize just how strong my legs are every time I go to the gym, and I’m able to take more weight on my legs than my husband can on his. You have to kind of take the things that you don’t necessarily like about yourself and find the positive in it.
And I think that’s especially important for people with kids. Try to look at the positives – and health – rather than the things that you dislike about yourself cosmetically. I may be short (5’2″), and have never had a willowy build even when I was a young teen – but I’m okay with that. My body type has other benefits – the same way that being tall and thin has it’s benefits. It’s hard to get into that groove though. Some days are hard to find positives. Some days you’re just hard on yourself for no real reason. I think that’s always going to be the case – but making sure that you’re careful about how your present that in front of kids is important.
I have to agree with Kaiser as well – I think that the men in a little girls life are very very important when it comes to body image. When you grow up seeing your dad, or your grandfather, or your uncle, or step dad, or whoever praising the women in your life for things like their brains, or their sense of humor, or for living a healthy life you’re going to have a different view than someone who has grown up only hearing men make comments on physical beauty. I don’t think a lot of dads realize that, unfortunately. How they treat women, and how they compliment women really does shape their little girls’ self esteem.
Very well said, Erinn. I think oftentimes it’s difficult to see ourselves in a positive way, and I do believe that a lot of it stems from what we saw and heard when we were kids (not all of it, obviously, but it starts there). Moms and dads can go a long way towards building a child’s self-esteem and sense of self-worth.
Just as an example, when I was a child my mom was always worrying about her weight, always dieting and trying to “slim down”, fretting about how much she’d eaten that day, how big she felt, etc. I have definitely absorbed a lot of that, to the point where I have a mild fear of gaining weight (I’m a wee bit taller than average and have a thin frame, with a normal weight). I’m borderline obsessed with food – I’m literally thinking about what to eat for supper while I’m eating lunch, and I count calories every day except for my treat day – and I recognize that my mom’s views and attitudes went a long way towards how I am.
Do I blame her? Not at all, she was a great mom and I have so much to thank her for. At the same time, I wonder how I would be today if she had been a bit less stressed over all of that. Body image can be affected by such little things, after all.
Truth @Erinn.
And I feel you too, @LadyMTL. Childhood experiences can be so impactful and ingrained because we’re experiencing everything for the first time and learning how to navigate through the world. My mom was kind of the same way as yours, but I also remember a lot of my dad’s comments about her or my sister’s weight (or my acne or nose or whatever). It’s all stayed with me with in weird and profound ways that pop up out of the blue sometimes, and I don’t even think I have an especially bad body image. It’s just that the formative stuff in life never really goes away.
Very true. Just think back to how you viewed your parents and what you internalized from them, if you’re not sure how much kids pick up on.
My father never was very effusive, he doesn’t give compliments or really say much about his feelings. A smile and nod is about all you can expect by way of “good job”, and he most certainly never said anything about my mother’s or my looks. It was actually quite a shock to me that he even noticed I got my ears pierced, though it did take him a few months to say something. But there was also a distinct lack of criticism for anything. That also matters. He had nothing to say about physical activity and body condition beyond “if you can’t lift that thing, get stronger”, or “veggies are good for you, eat more of them”. He valued intelligence and the quest for knowledge beyond all else and I’m grateful for that. Want to impress him? Learn something new, extra points for acquiring knowledge that he doesn’t possess (not an easy feat). Physical appearance irrelevant.
Well she grew up with Kris and look how she turned out. I think the only ones to not severely jack with their faces are Kourtney and Kendall.
And to examine that a little further, they’re the two with the smaller builds. So were they praised so much for that that they always felt attractive enough to not mess with their faces? It seems to me that while the others are loudly proclaiming body acceptance they’re doing everything in their power to alter those bodies, including their faces.
Yes, yes, and yes. Don’t spout off about accepting oneself and talk about healthy body image when you’ve had implants, botox, lipo, fat redistribution, injections, fillers, and more. Talk about hypocrisy!
I’m about her height (5’2″) and I’ve only gained 30 lbs so far with one month left to go. So it’s highly unlikely I will put on 20 lbs in a month. 50 lbs would be a medically unsafe thing. How does one have 50 lbs of extra weight after you push out that child? Were you not exercising and just eating everything in sight? Or were you on bedrest and weren’t able to move? I guess I should be happy I can indulge and not end up with 50 lbs pounds to lose. Bring on the ice cream and chocolate!
It’s food weight. Granted, some fluid can hang around after birth (it does for me!) but that resolves within a few weeks and there’s no way you have 50 pounds of fluid inside you, anyway.
There is a pervasive cultural idea in the US that pregnancy is a time when women should be allowed to binge with abandon and “eat for two.” Some women take that as that they should double their calories or at least eat a lot more. When in reality, the caloric demands of pregnancy are not that high.
Also, we have a culture that discourages pregnant women from exercising. I boxed up until 2 days before I had my son, and I can’t tell you how many people told me I was wrong for doing that – “don’t exert yourself, it’s bad for the baby.” etc. Stuff like that. Even though I wasn’t sparring with anybody, so he wasn’t actually at risk. But that belief is pervasive. So we basically encourage pregnant ladies to eat constantly and move very little. Which then basically assures serious weight gain.
For some of us, it isn’t actually food weight.
With my first, I was an extremely active, very social, way too busy almost 18 year old who put on 63 pounds, With my second, I was working full time, going to university and running around after my first and still out on 68 pounds.
Not all of us who are huge when we are pregnant stuff our faces and lounge around. Some of us are just huge.
Be careful not to generalize your experience as normal. I run almost everyday at least 4 miles and do bootcamp classes. I am 5’3 and continued my rigorous excercise and healthy eating with both pregnancies and gained 45 pounds each time and had a difficult time losing the weight. I also had the financial resources to get access to healthy foods and child care support while I went to the gym and no on-going mental/physical issues from pregnancy that prevented me from excercising.
It really bothers me when women who gain weight and have issues losing it after pregnancy are considered lazy and/or not caring about themselves. Everyone’s body is different and I have to maintain a high level of activity and stricter diet to maintain the size I want to be. But I also wouldn’t condemn a woman who did not have resources or the ability to do so.
It’s hard enough being a Mom, let alone getting judged by other Moms for not doing enough. Be nice to one another.
Eden: I’m not saying a person can’t naturally gain weight (like I said, I retained fluid) but when you get into substantial weight gain, yeah, that’s food.
It’s basic science: If you create a caloric surplus, your body stores the excess. If you create a caloric deficit, you lose. That’s it. It’s zero sum. Absent a profound medical issue, weight gain cannot happen without a caloric surplus. If you’re arguing that it can, you’re essentially arguing that the laws of thermodynamics don’t apply. Which….well, if you can show that your body can actually gain weight on a caloric deficit, then you’re in line for a Nobel Prize, it’s that amazing.
I think we do a disservice to people when we talk about “naturally huge” people. Look up a show called Secret Eaters. It proved pretty conclusively that people who claim to “not eat that much” in fact generally eat a great deal of calories, without knowing it. It’s pretty amazing and telling. We are not good judges of what we eat, generally speaking.
I don’t judge mothers who simply don’t care about losing baby weight. If you want to be bigger, that is your body and I support your right to live as you wish, even if I find it foolish. What I don’t like is dishonesty. The woman who gains 60 pounds and says “I didn’t eat any more, I swear!” Yes you did. You do not have 60 pounds of baby and fluid inside you. You’re eating more and/or moving less. And I’d have no issue with it if honesty were given.
“The woman who gains 60 pounds and says “I didn’t eat any more, I swear!” Yes you did. You do not have 60 pounds of baby and fluid inside you. You’re eating more and/or moving less. And I’d have no issue with it if honesty were given.”
You do not know what you are talking about, at all. You are making harmful generalizations.
There is nothing “basic” about the science of weight loss, especially when it comes to pregnancy. CICO is a good rule of thumb for weight loss, but there is a LOT that scientists do not know about weight loss. We are not even sure how to calculate calories for any given food item.
Nope. When it comes to weight loss, CICO IS the rule. Like I said, it’s thermodynamics. Take in more than you spend, you gain. Spend more, you lose. That really is it. There’s no such thing as “different calories.” A calorie is a calorie. It’s a finite unit of measurement. And while food calories cannot be measured exactly, they can certainly be measured within pretty accurate terms (aunt is a food chemist, so I do know that pretty well).
There are a small (yes, small) number of people with genuine medical conditions whose metabolisms are so damaged that they can eat very little and gain. I’ve never disputed that those people exist. However, again, they are the MINORITY. They are not representative of most humans. Most humans who are overweight are so because 1.) they eat too much for their metabolic needs and 2.) move too little to maintain. That’s it. Crying doesn’t alter physics.
And the actual scientists say that your average pregnant woman, starting from an average weight (keep in mind that now, a majority of women getting pregnant are already overweight to start with) should gain around 30 pounds (give or take). That will account for the baby, placenta, fluids, milk, etc. along with a slight increase in fat. They concede that women with pre-existing medical conditions will not fit that mold, nor will those who have to do things like bedrest or other complications. They also acknowledge that women who start out underweight will gain more – but underweight people now are an extreme minority of the population.
tl;dr version: CICO isn’t a useful guide, it’s (for most people) the definitive standard of weight loss, maintenance and gain. Arguing otherwise would break the laws of physics.
I put on over 80 lbs.
For me, it was pre-eclampsia. After birth, they put me on lasix for 2 weeks and 50 lbs dropped within the month.
Some people just have difficult pregnancies and it’s not because they ate too much or were lazy.
@Sam – baloney. Machines do not have hormones. If CICO was a real thing, it wouldn’t matter what those calories were made of, whether you were mainlining twinkies or broccoli, but it does. And the cultural message now is definitely not eat for two and be sedentary.
Also, so many women report being super careful food wise in one pregnancy and putting on 50 pounds, then being totally lax the next time, eating whatever and putting on 45. I wouldn’t take your one, feeling-decent pregnancy example as proof of anything.
Weight gains of +15, +5 and, so far in nearly my third tri, -3.
I worked with two doctors and had a strict meal plan that was delivered to me that was low cal and low carb and excercised everyday with cardio and weight training after my second. I did this because I was seeing so little progress on my own. I did not secretly eat or self sabbatoge in any way because I was paying way too much money and putting forth so much effort into losing the rest of my baby weight. I did this for three months and saw ZERO difference in weight and very little change in body fat. My doctors said my hormones were out of whack and I should take a break and see what happened.
I relaxed my diet, still eating healthy and added running again after dinner. My weight finally came off. I know I was not cheating and working very hard so I find your blanket statements about physics to be untrue and I have confidence of the medical doctors I was working with to back it up.
Ladies- do not get your info from people on the Internet, work with a provider to find the right solutions for you! Bodies are different and therefore respond differently to pregnancy, breastfeeding, diet and excercise. And life is more than fitting into your pre-pregnancy jeans.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I am off to sing kum-bye-yah, hold hands with my neighbor while offering them a coke to make the whole world sing.
We can’t have an honest conversation about weight because there is so much misinformation about it, and that’s a hurdle.
I know SO many women who still believe that pregnancy is a time to “eat for two” (it’s not, not at all) or they take it as a time to basically binge with abandon, and that results in substantial weight gain. My doctor was emphatic that if a woman sticks with the nutritional and exercise recommendations that are out there, a gain of more than 30 pounds is very unlikely, barring some kind of medical issue. However, I learned the hard way that wasn’t always true – for some reason, I retain water like I’m a camel in a drought. I puff like a fish. The positive thing is that it’s all lost at birth or very soon after.
Our culture around birth is so schizophrenic. We encourage pregnant women to treat themselves like they’re glass and might break (so no exercise) and eat as much as they want with abandon, but then we demand that they “snap back” soon after birth. It’s ridiculous.
What’s hard is that you bring basal metabolic rates in, and everyone is different. Some might have the slowest metabolism on the planet, and have to severely restrict to create any deficit, or exercise more than they have the actual time for being a new mum. And some have a fast metabolism and have a caloric deficit without much restriction or exercise.
I was a gainer with both my girls. I worked on my feet all day, and was active every day. I ate the same as before pregnancy, even cut out sweets with my second, and went from 120 to 175/180 with both my pregnancies. It took a full year and then some to slowly get back down, usually with effort put in at the one year point when nursing slowed down. I’m happy at 130 for now, but dang. I never want to do that yo-yo again. Up and down that much in 4 years…. it’s hard. Thank you vasectomy! Lol
oh listen to kim being all about embracing her curves as if they were god-given. man, how can she keep a straight face talking about body-positivity when in fact she is a walking billboard for what modern medicine can do to the female body.
Exactly. A lot of that fat was suctioned out post-baby and I’m sure she’s had other surgeries, too. Bet on it.
Totally agree.
there is no way that child is going to gain body positivity from that woman. (besides maybe “suck out what you want, lazer off what you don’t, the press need something to talk about”)
she lazered off all of her hair! which her daughter is going to have, as genetics and being a dark-haired armenian will probably give her the same body hair her mother spent all that time and money to remove.
also, agree with the point that those ‘curves’ that kanye is so positive about were purchased and/or fat was shifted around surgically to get her to look that way.
all north is going to learn is that she needs money to be a kardashian standard. imagine if north didn’t do anything ot herself that her mother did, the public and press would never, ever stop comparing the two, and growing up the way she is, that kid isn’t going to like the comparisons unless they’re positive, which means she’s going to have to surgically alter herself so all of the ‘positive’ things about her mother are the same things people think are ‘positive’ about her.
Ikr?! And now it’s like she’s trying to reverse back to her original body shape. With all the weight she’s lost, she had to make her butt smaller as well. I wonder how she’s doing that. Now that site wants to be thin again
Didn’t she brag about eating everything she wanted and gaining freely? You can’t have it both ways, Kim.
“On the plus side, Kim is right: if Kim loves, accepts and is proud of her body, that will be a positive influence on North.”
Kim had all kinds of plastic surgery on her body, not just her face. How can she be accepting of it when she’s altered her features (boobs, butt, hips, stomach) so much?
Exactly !
I’m so sick of looking at her hair. both her and Khloe. Please just stop. You are not black. I absolutely am so offended and disgusted a. that the media called this style ‘box briads’ which it is not and b) that they said it is NEW. UGH!
Well don’t you know the Kardashian/Jenners invented everything and we just copy them?
Add Kylie to the list. That Tokyo Stylez guy that does her wigs needs to cool it
The whole family. It is so offensive. These hairstyles are not just hairstyles. they are cultural and part of a collective black history.
Despite the vast number of countries that black people around the world come from, despite our differing history- these styles (corn rows, bantu knots, twists etc.) are as old as time and THEY HAVE SURVIVED!
They survived slavery, colonialism, diasporas.
Black people stolen as slaves were stripped of their lineage, language, history, culture, but our hair and traditional styles have survived hundreds and hundreds of years.
For black people around the world- these are styles that bind us together, whether from America,Zimbabwe, Jamaica, England or Norway. We share the same hair traditions. We rock the same hairstyles that generations before us wore (even if we don’t all know it).
For someone with no knowledge, no care or advocacy for black issues or black history, to take a style and own it as their own because it is trendy is disrespectful.
To me it’s the same as blackface, or wearing one of those stupid dreadlock hats, it’s play acting with someone’s culture and it needs to stop!
People also like to point to black women wearing extensions- this is not the same thing, firstly, Africans have been weaving the sinew of animals into their hair for centuries, to create length and too, this is an entirely different issue that has to do with beauty standards.
I am copying and pasting your words for the next time one of my friends want to act like it’s “just hair.” 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
do it Lynnie! I’m so tired of this.
@kay
Thank you for your comment. It was a very eye opening read for me. And I feel like I am doing you a disservice for not being able to come up with a better word for it. However, I can’t. I just thank you for it. It made me think on this topic and want to learn more. Not that I wasn’t aware, but sometimes I feel like I just know the surface and never dig deeper. As a white person, I honestly don’t get it because I don’t have an entire history of racial oppression behind me. I try to be aware and think about how my words and actions can contribute but I truly don’t “get it” because I don’t live with it. So while I know that they didn’t invent braids and am horrified at them appropriating them for their own vanity, I have never given much thought to what it really means to an entire race of people that have been stolen from and far worse over and over. Maybe I’m wording this all horribly and I sound like a complete idiot, but I guess your comment was a bit of a slap in the face about the things I don’t know about and haven’t tried to look into further while patting myself on the back for knowing the surface level.
That was a babble-fest on my part and I know you didn’t write the comment for me, but it certainly spoke to me.
When your self worth is based solely on your looks, of course your jealous of anyone who can stay thin.
I truly, truly hope Kim finds some body acceptance at some point because we all know it’s not been an easy one for her. I hope this more for North’s sake than for hers. I know what it’s like to grow up with a mom who is constantly talking about losing weight and those “last 10 lbs”. It really burns into your brain when your mom is constantly evaluating her body, and then your own with “helpful” comments about weight. To this day my mom denies ever having told me I needed to lose weight but she definitely did and it still stings.
As far as my own pregnancies, I’ve watched very, very carefully what I’ve eaten and worked out to avoid the excessive weight gain. My second pregnancy, I went to spin classes 3 times a week for 31 weeks and gained under 10 lbs for the entire pregnancy. I know women who have gained a lot even though they carefully monitored themselves and women who were told to gain more. A pregnant body doesn’t always follow the rules of weight gain very closely!
Was there a medical reason why you wanted to gain less than 10 lbs? 25-30 for an average person is encouraged. 10-15 is encouraged for women who are considered overweight.
No, I didn’t WANT to gain less than 10lbs. I started off the pregnancy overweight and I lost 12lbs I didn’t need by eating more mindfully and working out, and my overall weight gain was 10lbs. Had a happy, healthy pregnancy!
So will she cringe if she reads that I gained 7 lbs with my 1st (he weighed 6). And under 20 with the next 3. I just had to post my stats to make her jealous…haha
I threw up for all 37 weeks of my only pregnancy to term. I gained 22lbs and delivered early. I have had 5 miscarriages since and would gain 100 pounds to have one more but it won’t happen. So she needs to shut her hole about having babies and weight gain. I am so sick of her entitled fake *ss “why me?!” crying media grabbing self. She would do so much good and she is so self absorbed that she can’t see past her fake nose.
Oh, MoochieMom, sending you so many hugs.
I am so very sorry for your losses. Cyber hugs sent your way.
No way in Heck she is 125.