Walking Dead recap: ‘Lucille is thirsty. She is a vampire bat’ (spoilers)

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Spoilers for the season seven premiere of The Walking Dead, which aired last night
To call the premiere of The Walking Dead’s seventh season traumatic would be an understatement. I guess that’s a testament to the strong writing and superb acting because it packed a sucker punch despite the cheesy lines. There was definitely a manipulative aspect to it, and it felt like we were being beat down like Rick, like they wanted the audience to feel the utter despair, fear and defeat that Rick experienced. It worked somewhat and was shocking, upsetting and heartbreaking. Just thinking about it gives me a lump in my throat. I only watched the first few minutes of Talking Dead last night but the actors on stage, Andrew Lincoln, Norman Reedus, Danai Gurira and Lauren Cohan, got choked up talking about losing their friends. This is the last chance you’ll have to turn back if you don’t want to know who died, ok? I’ll do a half-recap but I would suggest you read TVLine’s recap if you’d like a more thorough one.

While kneeling in the circle, Rick told Negan under his breath, “Not today, not tomorrow, but I’m going to kill you.” Negan then took Rick in the RV to assert his authority over him, saying that Rick’s ax was his, throwing it out the door and forcing him to go out into the fog to find it amid a hoard of walkers. Rick kept having flashbacks of his friends, but at this point we still didn’t know who the victim was. Rick climbed on top of the RV and two commercial breaks later we got a flashback of the scene where Negan picked his first victim. Abraham got bludgeoned to death which I frankly did not expect. (The dude I talked to at Wendy’s over the weekend wearing an “All My Friends Are Walkers” t-shirt told me it would be Abraham though.)

During the flashback Negan kept hitting Abraham well past the point where he was dead, reducing him to a bloody pulp. Negan then went over to Rosita and teased her about being with Abraham. Daryl got up to defend Rosita and was dragged to the ground by Negan’s goons.

Negan then turned to Glenn and started hitting him and it was horrible. We saw his eye popped out, his head half crushed as he struggled to talk. He gurgled “Maggie I’ll find you.” This scene was very close to what was shown in the comics, when Negan beat Glenn to death. I could barely watch it. Negan then gave the absolutely cringeworthy line “Lucille is thirsty. She is a vampire bat.”

We were taken back to Rick, who was on top of the RV, trying to rest but really just shellshocked. Negan started shooting through the roof and commanding Rick to bring his ax. Rick jumped up on a walker hanging off a bridge from a chain at its neck. The walker gradually separated from the weight as other walkers grabbed at his him. Negan started shooting walkers from the back of the RV and Rick fought his way through, having visions of each of his people being killed by Negan.

When Rick got back to the RV with the ax Negan told him that it must hurt to no longer be in charge. They returned to the site of the bloodbath and Rick was again made to grovel. Negan instructed his men to train guns on everyone’s heads.

Negan made Carl get up and kneel next to his dad. He put a belt around Carl’s arm, drew a line around it with a sharpie and forced him facedown on the ground with his arms spread. Negan then told Rick to cut his son’s arm off or he would kill his entire team. Michonne begged “You don’t have to do this, we understand.” Negan said that he would crush Carl’s skull if Rick didn’t cut off his arm. Rick begged Negan to take his arm instead, which apparently wasn’t an option. Carl told his dad just to do it. Negan counted down to three, but Rick didn’t couldn’t bring the ax down on Carl’s arm. Negan then brought his point home “You answer to me. You provide for me. You belong to me. Right?” Then he told Rick “that is the look I wanted to see,” referring to Rick’s submission.

Negan gloated “Today was a productive damn day. Now I hope that you get it now. That you understand how things work. Things have changed. Whatever you had going for you. That is over now.”

Negan’s goons loaded Daryl into the truck and Negan vowed to torture Daryl if Rick doesn’t uphold his end of the bargain.

When our group was finally alone Maggie, still in shock and still in medical crisis with her unborn baby, told everyone to go back to Alexandria. Sasha vowed to take Maggie to Hilltop. The group gathered around their dead and took the bodies to be buried.

At the end there was bizarre fantasy scene of everyone sitting around a dinner table outside eating, including the dead people, which was a call back to Negan’s line about how they’re not all going to grow old together sitting around having Sunday dinner. Rick is devastated after having been psychologically tortured.

[Recap of The Walking Dead]

I’m so sad that Glenn was killed. I read the comics up until Glenn’s death and was to upset after that so I gave up at that point. I was hoping that Glenn would remain on the show because he’s such a beloved character and because we were already teased with a multi-episode cliffhanger where we waited to see his fate. Fans hated that. If we learned anything about The Walking Dead over the last six seasons it’s that they don’t listen to fans and assume we’ll keep coming back no matter what. They’re probably right.

During The Talking Dead, which was a live episode from the Hollywood Forever cemetery, Andrew Lincoln described the process of filming. “It was 9 days of breaking a man…. Unbearable… I had to sleep for a week.” He also called Steven Yeun his brother and said “this is a huge loss.” It’s a loss for the fans too. Steven Yeun and Michael Cudlitz were also on Talking Dead discussing their character’s deaths. Popsugar has a summary.

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  1. L84Tea says:

    It was brutal to watch. Everyone had called it too, and they were right, but it was still gut wrenching to watch. I went to bed last night feeling pretty disturbed, and I woke up this morning feeling like an old friend died.

    • Moxie Remon says:

      God, I feel the same way. Don’t remember any other fiction hitting me harder than last night’s episode.

      • PimmsCupInAPimpCup says:

        I didn’t think I’d be bothered, but I was.
        For some reason, when Abraham was first hit, it hurt MY head to watch. It was a toothjarring scalp stinging smack- and I know SFX! I don’t get lost in the fantasy!

        His physical reaction just made me hurt.

        And then later on, I wondered what happened to the show I used to watch, and why they replaced it with this even darker vision. But they got me- I’m dying to see what happens next week

    • Who says says:

      It was so brutal to watch that I had to turn the channel. I have never done that before.

    • Placebo says:

      Me too. It was awful to Watch

    • Pine Cone says:

      Yes, me too. I don’t watch shows to “get broken” and there was nothing enjoyable about this episode. I don’t know if I’m going to keep watching.

      • HeatherAnn says:

        That’s how I feel too. But I am interested in Celebitchy’s recap (thanks!!!!). Maybe I’m just kind of mad right now and the feeling will pass and I’ll be ready to watch again. I’m not sure why I’m mad- we all knew it would happen. It was just so brutal and awful and not at all fun to watch.

      • Kath says:

        Yeah me too. Halfway through, I began to think… enough. Glenn was my favourite character and I’m not sure I want to be brutalised by a TV show.

  2. Pants says:

    I really think this season premiere was a letdown. I think that it was a mistake not to show the viewers who died at the end of last season, at least with Abraham. I think it would have had more impact to show that last season and have Glenn be the surprise factor this season. I found it frustrating that we spent the entire episode seeing how that affected Rick, when those characters were more important to Maggie, Rosita and Sasha, and their pain was barely a footnote on the episode. I’m over Rick and his crippling man pain, his son is more of a man than him at this point. Usually I enjoy watching Talking Dead afterwards to recap and get into the episode, but last night’s episode was so self indulgent.

    • Belle says:

      This would have been an interesting setup.

      I was prepared for one death and when he said “taking it like a champ” only one person came to mind, Abe. I wondered about Glenn, finally unable to cheat death but I wasn’t prepared for both on one night. They built up Abe’s character in Season 6 but that’s usually the sign you are about to be killed.

      At some point, they showed Daryl’s blanket and I freaked out thinking it could have been him.

    • LV says:

      I agree 100%. This episode would have worked better as the finale.

    • Rachel says:

      So many things were bothering me about the episode, I couldn’t really pinpoint all of them, but I think you just nailed it for me. Aside from the over the top, gratuitous, cheap costume shop gore, I was just really disappointed that again, we’re all tied up in Rick’s angst and ignoring the people this affects most. Hell, even Eugene would’ve been more affected by Abraham’s death than Rick.

      And WHY IS RICK’S HAIR ALWAYS DRIPPING WET?? Seriously WHY???

    • Stef Leppard says:

      Hubs and I are done with this show. The showrunners care more about f-ing with the audience than about servicing the actual storyline. Glenn’s death was so unnecessary and pointless and just totally brutal to watch.

      • Pants says:

        I don’t even take issue with the fact that Glenn died. That was how he originally died in the comic, and the actor himself wanted to stay true to that. For me, it was more about all of the other factors.

    • mayamae says:

      @Pants, it’s always going to be about Rick’s man pain, because he is the show. But it won’t bother me too much, because Rick is the leader, he made horrible and arrogant decisions, and he realizes he triggered this event. Daryl on the other hand – ugh! How many more episodes of Daryl crying about pink ponies and frozen yogurt? Self-mutilating and turning into a loner again. And now he’s even separated from the group. We’ve seen this so many times. And I doubt we will see much of Maggie’s pain. I think we see her only once before the midseason finale. I love Sasha, and I’m sure she’s next. Every character she was close to is gone, and they’ve forgotten how close Sasha became to Maggie/Glenn.

      • Mrs. Odie says:

        However, Maggie becomes a leader after this event. In the same way that Game of Thrones used Sansa’s torture and rape to motivate Theon’s character, Glenn’s death serves to make Maggie step up to be the person she was meant to be: leader of Hilltop and all around bad ass b****. I love Maggie’s character without Glenn. Don’t mistake me. I loved Glenn so much that I am still in the denial stage of grief. I keep Googling articles about the show, trying to make his death real to myself.

        So while the torture/death of Glenn is pisspoor excuse for making Maggie into a stronger character, at least it’s not a your typical “man grows and develops as a reaction to the gratuitous violence against a woman he loves” story line. Also, the show gets amazingly good after this episode if the comic is any guide. Glenn was killed in issue #100 and 101-160 are my favorite issues of the comic (161 comes out in November).

      • FF says:

        @Mrs. Odie

        Sansa’s rape wasn’t used to motivate Theon. It was the promise that she would be physically mutilated and tortured like him that finally made him act.

        Sansa got that storyline because D&D always wanted to do it, and it was cheaper with an existing character. They even point out Jeyne Poole in the pilot because the have such a boner for it.

        Add on the fact that the also seemed super-stuck on the Ramsay character and actor, it was mostly about aggrandizing that sadist.

        Theon got sod all out of that storyline, just like Sansa – because it really wasn’t about either of them.

  3. Lucy says:

    I have never seen an episode of this. My brother tuned in last night, and I sat down to watch the beginning. When I didn’t feel like throwing up, I was SOBBING. No joke.

  4. Tiffany27 says:

    I knew it was coming so I had prepped. The episode was just ok for me. The premiere is what the season 6 finale should have been tbh.

    • LV says:

      I had correctly guessed the outcome, but the episode was so gruesome, even by TWD standards.

    • isabelle says:

      It really wasn’t a good episode. The deaths gruesome deaths are the only thing that stood out. Negan, a true villain but the episode itself….meh. This show needs to start investing in its writing and showrunners versus the shock. They’re trying to compete with GOT but guess the missed the cue that GOT has great writing much better character development and better acting.

      • crtb says:

        I found this episode too violent. It crossed the line. It was very upsetting. I might not watch it any longer. It use to be fun, now I am feeling dread. I am not interested if this is the tone and direction they are taking the show. It was fun when it was a zombie show and about survival. dont’ want to watch a sadistic, smiling Psychopath every week! Zombies don’t exist. Ppsychopaths do and not what I find entertaining.

      • Mrs. Odie says:

        I agree that the most successful show in cable history needs better writers. Gimple may be a good showrunner, but his scripts are not good. He writes crappy dialogue. I feel bad that these talented actors don’t get better words. Occasionally he has some good work (“What happened and what’s going on” comes to mind, the episode where Tyreese dies and we get hallucinations of dead characters, but even that was sort of gimicky). I believe that when we get good dialogue, it’s other writers helping out. (“It went the way it had to. The way it was always going to” is a favorite of mine, I actually say it in real life frequently).

        Abraham was turned into a clown, whereas Kirkman’s creation was a warrior and an amazing lieutenant to Rick. Daryl was created to fulfill that role, so the writers had to create something else for Abraham and it was too schticky for me. Don’t get me started on Eugene. A terrific character on the page, but a joke in the show, and not a funny joke. The actor who plays Abraham brought the only worthwhile moments to his death scene. They weren’t scripted. When we see a closeup of his face after Negan “Eeny Meeny Miney Mo” ‘s him, for a second you see genuine fear and sadness pass through his eyes. He doesn’t want to die, but he’s willing to die. All of it was the actor. His dying line was supposed to be funny, but I rolled my eyes.

        I love The Walking Dead. despite its flaws, I love it madly.

  5. QueenB says:

    fast forwarded through the episode to see who dies and when i saw it i realized i did not really care that they died. it was never the best show in the world but it was alright. i was very forgiving of stupid characters and bad lines but this whole last season was terrible and ruined it for me. Glenn under the dumpster and the terribly bad cliffhanger (in the age of social media its a dumb idea).

    they kind of surprised me with Glenn because i would not have been surprised if all the big talk would lead to them only killing of a minor character but then again they did not really have a choice. i wonder if Glenns death was planned or if they had to put it in because of the immense backlash from the fans.

    I liked Glenn but i mean what do we even know about the guy? a show like Walking Dead has huge potential but its always been badly written. why would i care about the characters? i only cared a bit b ecause i was watching for so long.

    poor Maggie, she seems kind of unlucky with people close to her dying and all.

    so whats happening next? again Rick wants to kill Superbadguy, Superbadguy wants to be super mean to the group, some characters (Oh yeah why not Carol again?) are seperated etc etc. we have had it all already.

    also im out, i do not care anymore about TWD , just needed to get this all of my chest as a final goodbye.

    • Juls says:

      I’m done too. That was too much for me. Unnecessary, the showing of Glenn with crushed skull, eye popping out. I don’t even care where they go from here. In the end, they will probably all die, and Rick will wake up in the hospital from his coma and it will all have been some crazy fever dream that causes him to change his life in some cheesy way. Blech. And no, I did not read the comics, just speculating due to the horrible writing.

      • Nc says:

        They showed the because its an iconic scene from the comic

      • mimismiles says:

        Yeah, they did a great job creating what Glen looked like in the comic. I remember when I first started reading TWD and got to that part, I had to put the comic down and walk away. I was wondering if they would incorporate it into the show.

    • isabelle says:

      7 seasons and you are right we knew nothing about Glenn except he loved Maggie and delivered pizza. they have almost no developed characters and since Maggie entered the picture, Glenn was nothing more than filler.

  6. Nancy says:

    Even though avid fans of the show knew it would be Glenn and Abraham, I never expected it to be so brutal to watch. They took Glenn’s bulging eyeball right from the comics. I looked forward to watching the premiere. My husband and I had a little watch party and like Negan said it was uncool. So hard to watch. Be careful Daryl, and you’re not responsible for Glenn’s death.

    • mayamae says:

      I disagree. Negan’s the baddie here, not doubt about it. But he explained his horrific rules. Everyone followed them but Daryl. Glenn was killed because Daryl had to be the hero. Now we’ll have another season of Daryl’s man pain, while we’ll barely see Maggie’s suffering. And if we do see Maggie suffer, all the fans are going to bitch that she didn’t mourn Beth. Not looking forward to it.

      • Nancy says:

        Glenn would have died whether Daryl intervened or not. Glenn died exactly how he did in #100 of the comics, by Negan bashing him dead with Lucille. In the comics, Daryl doesn’t exist.

      • mayamae says:

        But that’s not written in stone. Denise got Abe’s comic death.

  7. Pamela says:

    It was so brutal, and so sad and so drawn out. My husband simply said “I don’t need this shit in my life.” I know the two of us WILL continue to watch, but I do see his point. I watch tv to escape, and that show makes me need ANOTHER escape after in order to process.

    Also, actors are known to sometimes prefer playing villains to the “good guys”. For example, MOST Disney villain roles seem way more juicy and fun than the good guys. (Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, etc) But Negan? Ugh. He is so vile that he doesn’t even seem fun to play. Though, I can see why an actor would be hard=pressed to turn the role down.

    I don’t even LIKE Carl but I was bawling (for Rick) during that scene.

    • Nene's Wig says:

      You mean Coral 😉

    • Turtle says:

      I feel the same as your husband. I’ve felt this way about TWD and Fear TWD for some time. The nihilism and misery is just relentless. There’s enough of that in the real world right now. I just don’t need more of it in my life. TWD is very well-crafted and acted, for the most part, but nothing ever changes. It’s just season after season of despair and brutality. A friend who loves TWD laughs at me when I say that about a show that’s about the aftermath of the apocalypse. I don’t expect sunshine and bluebirds, but enough already. Sign of the times for me, I guess. (Christ, EVERY show is about the apocalypse or some kind of brutal murder. I wonder what people are going to think about us in the future when they look at what was popular in entertainment.)

      • crtb says:

        I agree. There needs to be some ray of hope in all of the darkness. Glenn and Maggie were the light. Not interested in seeing men being brutal to other men.
        Last night’s show made me sick. Not the reason I watch TV.

    • mayamae says:

      I don’t know, JDM seems to be having the time of his life. This is the iconic villain from the graphic novels, and he beat out bigger name actors, like Timothy Olyphant, for the role.

    • Kath says:

      “I don’t need this shit in my life.” That sums it up perfectly. TWD needed light to balance out the darkness, and this was too much for me. It was just unrelenting to the point of me thinking “Why am I even watching this?”

  8. Jezza says:

    It was a tough episode to get through. Not cool that it was both Abraham and Glen. I though after Abraham died, OK, that sucks. Who’s going to call someone Porch Dick now?? I thought that was it, and then Glen gets it. I was shocked. Glad there is The Talking Dead. It really is a bit of therapy! LOL

  9. Ima says:

    Last season was so bad that I didn’t even bother watching last night. I read the recaps today, but I think I’m out. It was such a cool show early on, then I just watched out of habit, but now it just sounds like gratuitous violence overkill 🙁

    • Nancy says:

      Ima, that was my mantra last night…..gratuitous violence. We’ve seen so many characters die, but they really made us suffer through a lot. Suck my nuts, Abraham a badass to the end.

    • Kk says:

      Heh, I stopped watching this show in like the second season because it was aimless misery p0 rn. My husband still watches and I used to at least do stuff in the background while it was on. The last few seasons, I won’t even do that. I don’t want to be on the same floor when this crap is on. I don’t get off on gratuitous violence and misery. I don’t understand how people even watch this show. I can do dark stuff- loved Breaking Bad and The Wire. But those shows had humor and good writing and a point. The violence wasn’t gratuitous. Sons of Anarchy started to push the limit for me at the end. I couldn’t bring myself to watch the last season.

      • Turtle says:

        Did you watch “Daredevil” on Netflix? The second season’s violence was stomach-churning. I realize there was an antihero called THE PUNISHER, but it was so gruesome that it put me off the whole enterprise. I haven’t watched “Luke Cage” yet and probably won’t make the new “Daredevil” season a priority. Bleah.

      • Kath says:

        Really? I watched the second season of Daredevil and I can’t remember that much violence.

    • HappyMom says:

      Me too. I loved the show for so long. But last year I just feel like I was done. And I am fine reading the recaps-but I don’t need to see the violence and the emotional gore.

      • Lacia Can says:

        Yeah, that’s how I’ve been keeping up too. I watched up to the episode before Beth died, saw a spoiler saying she had died, and that was it. I recorded a bunch of episodes but eventually deleted them without watching. As others have said, it’s just unrelenting misery with no end in sight. I’d rather watch something that feels like it’s going somewhere. TWD just lurches from one horror to another. Yes, I know they’re following the books but I’ve decided to tune out. I likely would have quit reading the novels by now too, if I’d ever started.

      • Lady D says:

        HappyMom, I do that with GOT. I don’t deal well with violence, and I can’t watch torture so recaps are how I keep up. I’d like to watch Thrones, the imagination of the writers intrigues me, but I just can’t with the violence.

    • Sticks says:

      I’m so with you IMA. I didn’t watch last night either. I couldn’t. Last episode of season 6 was so disturbing. Too much. Don’t need this in my life. I’m finished with TWD. Too bad. I used to really enjoy it.

  10. Jenns says:

    So where is all of this heading? What is the end game in all of this? I’ll admit that I became a casual watcher a few years ago, because it was basically the same story line repeated over and over again: Rick and his group move somewhere, there’s a bad guy, zombies are killed, characters get annoying, Rick sweats, someone dies. Wash, rinse repeat.

    I watched last night just to see who dies and I didn’t enjoy the episode at all. I thought JDM would inject some energy into the show, but I thought he went full ham as Negan. The deaths were pure shock value and the pacing storytelling of the episode was terrible.

    I just can’t stick with a show that is the same season every year, just in a different location.

    • HappyMom says:

      Do you read Lainey Gossip? Because they said the same thing this morning-they’re done watching because it’s the same thing. over and over. I feel exactly the same way you do too which I why I gave up last season.

    • isabelle says:

      Kirkman last night on the talking dead said this was a reset and they now have tons more of story to tell. Which means he can go on forever. Yeah that is what this show needs, no goal, continued rambling plot lines and years of them to do filler.

    • Ange says:

      Yep, and the characters never get any smarter about things. Seriously with their collective common sense they’d have been zombie food ten minutes into a real apocalypse.

    • Rice says:

      Yeah. I asked Mr. Rice that very same question. What’s the end game? Also, What’s the point of all of this? It’s the same thing over and over again, like The Matrix in Atlanta. It’s now become a hate-watch scenario for me. Don’t get me wrong. The episode was gruesome, but good grief, the over acting almost made me stabby. I’m just waiting for GoT to return. Now there’s some brilliant writing.

  11. Mia4S says:

    “they don’t listen to fans and assume we’ll keep coming back no matter what. They’re probably right.”

    Nah, I’m done. It took me forever to get around to watching the episodes last year. It drags horrendously. Without an end date, it will just keep being more of the same. I’ll be back for the series finale. Done for now, no regrets.

  12. Delta Juliet says:

    Oh God when he hit Glenn and then just kept yapping while Glen was wheezing and gasping I almost yelled “would you just f’ing KILL him!!!” It was painful to watch.

    I have been faithfully watching from the beginning but I do think I’m going to have to quit now. I had a hard time sleeping last night and it’s still bumming me out today. Not the gore so much (well, that too) but the tension and never-ending horror of the whole thing just kind of makes it hard for me to enjoy now. I guess they are doing a good job writing and acting if it can effect viewers that way but I don’t need more sadness and depression in my life at this point.

    • Pamela says:

      ” I guess they are doing a good job writing and acting if it can effect viewers that way but I don’t need more sadness and depression in my life at this point.”

      Exactly! On the one hand, good on them for making characters that are real enough to me that I CARE when they die. But the relentless misery last night was just too much.
      .

  13. Abbess Tansy says:

    This was a hard episode for me to watch, not gonna lie. I had a feeling more than one person would die but didn’t expect Abraham. Everyone I think figured that it would definitely be Glenn but I still cried.
    As much as I like Jeffrey Dean Morgan, to me it felt like his big bad villain act as Negan went on a little too long and dragged the episode out. Like there was some filler and light on substance. But overall it was one of the most difficult episodes to watch and I will not easily forget it.

  14. Deedee says:

    There’s a point where it ceases to be entertaining. I think it’s crossed that line for me. There are plenty of people saying the same thing on TWD’s Facebook page, and people are trolling them, saying, “It’s realistic, why are you watching a zombie show then, what did you expect, etc.” For me, it was just that I don’t care about the characters any more. You can’t get attached to anyone, or like anyone, because the character’s just cannon fodder. The violence was brutal (and would’ve been worse, I think, if they had left something more to the imagination), and that has shock value, but the show has become repetitive in the plot lines. It’s becoming a snuff show.

    • MC2 says:

      “It’s becoming a snuff show”- Yes!

      I agree with a lot of posters that it just doesn’t feel worth it to me anymore and it didn’t feel entertaining or like an escape from reality- just a depressing sh7t show. Don’t know why I watched last night while trying to not watch. It’s upsetting, gross & I’m not sure what I’m supposed to be looking forward to next episode so I’m done. I did look forward to other episodes (hospital, governor, farm- it used to be about the characters) but now I don’t know. Except for Rick killing Negan and that’s not enough for me nor do I want to see what pain Rick puts him through. Not interested in a show that is just miserable.

      That dream sequence with them eating dinner what was what I wanted in the end so I’ll stop at that perfect moment.

    • MinnFinn says:

      The reason I started watching was because of early realism in their ethical dilemnas. And I liked Dale and Hershel because they were such interesting characters who also maintained so much of their moral integrity.

      +1 about last night’s graphic violence. I would have been better TV had they left more to the imagination.

  15. Krysten says:

    As a crazy fan of this show I went to bed so upset after balling my eyes out. Woke up this morning and still sad like I lost someone I knew. Did you guys notice Abe gave Sasha the peace sign before he was hit? I stopped breathing at that point. Then started balling when Glenn got it and ugly crying watching Rick get broken down especially with the snot flying out over it. Poor Carl has been turned to stone to not even cry or flinch and just be like ok dad just get it over with. Glenns last words will haunt me forver. Abe went out a complete badass so even tho Negan killed him Abe still won with not giving him the satisfaction of acting like it hurt. I will miss his 1 liners. Dolphin smoothe everyone!! 😭

    • mayamae says:

      I loved Abe with Sasha. But I wasn’t surprised that he offered himself up as the sacrifice. What a hero. Until Daryl had to act . . . .

      • Pamela says:

        He didn’t exactly offer himself up… I agree with you in that I can see that as something Abraham WOULD do. But this was Negan’s choice, not his.

        Unless you are referring to the valiant way he accepted the death…in which case, yes, agree 100%.

      • Nancy says:

        Pamela: I think she is suggesting that it was Daryl’s fault Glenn died. A few people are saying that, I don’t think so. Since Daryl isn’t in the comics, the writers can basically do anything they want with his character. Right night he is a prisoner of Negans and will blame himself for Glenn’s death which is part of the storyline according to Reedus. Daryl is my favorite and Glenn would have died regardless.

  16. Bluesky says:

    I don’t watch TWD. I watched the first episode on Netflix and it gave me nightmares so I couldn’t bring myself to continue to watch. My running buddies love that show and kept encouraging me to watch it but I could not. I’ve seen clips of the show and that was enough, but even I had to watch last night to see who Negan killed.

    Abraham’s death was the fake out to set everyone up for Glenn’s death I thought. It was a brutal episode and you felt the tension and despair.

  17. Marty says:

    I know it was in the comics, but Glenn’s depth still felt totally unnecessary and gratuitous to me. It really felt like I was watching pain p0rn.

    I’m not giving TWD my viewership anymore, not when they are placing such a high importance on shock value rather then actual storyline.

    • Jezi says:

      But this was the storyline. Glenn’s death is instrumental for Maggie’s growth as a leader. Believe me I was broken up and was really thankful when Abe was the one killed because I thought Glenn was spared. But this was in the comics and it is an important death for the group. Sadly.

      • Nancy says:

        I agree. But, it’s difficult for the people who don’t read the comics. They probably weren’t aware that Glenn died in the exact same manner as he did last night, with the eyeball popped out…..it wasn’t pretty. Negan is exactly like he is in the comics, perfect casting. Someone posted they lowkey wished it had been Maggie which wouldn’t have bothered me, but she plays an integral role in the comics. Lol….I can’t spit out enough about the show today, I have WD on the brain!

      • Jezi says:

        I was totally ok with losing Abe, Sasha, Rosita or Eugene. I was not ok with Glenn or Daryl. I figured the rest were safe. It sure was traumatizing but this show has always been this way. Remember we’ve lost some wonderful characters along the way. Dale, Herschel, Tyrese. Those were heartbreaking loses. Losing Lori, Andrea and Beth was easier to take because at the point when they died everyone was like bye their deaths were still sad. It’s a show about a zombie apocalypse, there are no guarantees at all.

  18. Kristel says:

    Am I missing something? Negan threw the axe into the pack of walkers, but then when Rick climbed into the top of the RV, the axe was already lying there on top? Was there s time jump I missed?

    • mander says:

      Exactly what I thought. WTH.

      I have watched every minute of this show. I love zombie movies/shows, ever since Night of the Living Dead, but this show has become a hate watch. Last night was drawn out misery porn. It tried to be clever and suspenseful, and it was a manipulative fail. So cheesy. I’d like to say I’m done, my husband is, but I am one of those people that like to finish shows out, no matter how bad they get. (Sons of Anarchy ) Guess I need to not complain then huh?

      • Celebitchy says:

        Hi Mander! I quit Sons of Anarchy in the last season when it just got SO violent. I couldn’t stick with it, and the more I hear from everyone that they’re quitting TWD, the more I’m convinced I should too.

      • Marty says:

        Y’all didn’t miss much. The last season of SoA was HORRIBLE.

      • Miss M says:

        I agree with Marty. I kept watching SoA out of loyalty. *Waves to Marty*

      • Kath says:

        I stuck with Sons of Anarchy to the end, but gave up on Dexter after 1-2 seasons. It just got too violent.

        I will probably stick with TWD for one or two more episodes, but if it turns into a Negan-fest, I am done.

    • isabelle says:

      Negan threw it on top. When he is standing in the doorway, w/ax, he quickly does an arm swing and throws it on top. Very fast but he threw it on top as he was talking to Rick in the doorway of the RV.

  19. Zo95 says:

    It was BRUTAL- I sometimes feel that this theme of humans being bigger monsters than the zombies is too much to take bc it’s so “real” when you watch the news of wars, refugees, starving people just wanting to LIVE, etc. We do so much of this to ourselves- man’s inhumanity to man through history & now..how do they go on or have any hope? The aftermath of the group coming together to help Maggie and gather up Glen & Abraham was such a stark, absurd contrast to Negan’s awfulness , but I guess we have to keep going & help each other the takeaway- we do need more kindness in our world, too The execs said next week’s episode is really funny. ..hmmm

  20. liz_bee says:

    Glenn was a fantastic Asian-American character. It’s a shame that he’s not on the show anymore. Besides being the heart of the show and going through a huge character arc, he was one of the only nuanced and fully developed Asian-American characters on television. Also, he was sexy as hell. He was the only character I really rooted for. I know other people dropped out at various points, but I always thought I’d leave the show when Glenn left. No idea if I’ll keep watching or not, but I’m really disappointed that they killed Glenn.

    I hope Steven Yeun continues to do great work. He’s hilarious, I think he could do great comedy OR dramatic work. But the lack of roles for Asian-American men (and women) could make it challenging for him to have a successful career post TWD.

    • MC2 says:

      I agree about Glenn and your comment reminded me of the guy who played Jin on the show Lost. I really liked his couple and he was hot as hell too. I’d rather think of Lost to Walking Dead today anyway so thank you. Hot guy on beach……..

      • liz_bee says:

        My Korean grandparents loved that Jin and Sun on Lost were major characters who also spoke Korean on the show. They are both beautiful, in addition to having vital storylines on Lost. The lack of Asian-American characters on TV or in movies is still disappointing, but I do think things are changing. Korean cinema in particular is going gangbusters.

    • MoreSalt says:

      Liz if you are into comics at all, I suggest you check out Chew. Steven will be voicing the main character, Tony Chu, in the animated movie version. Great, funny, wierd concept that I think Steven will do justice to.

    • mom2two says:

      Rumors are going around that Steven might be under consideration to play Nightwing in the Batman movie.

      • Dee Kay says:

        This would be really awesome. I’d love to see a Korean American Nightwing. Wow. I would forgive DC almost anything if they went ahead with that casting.

      • Pamela says:

        That would be an amazing role for him!! Fingers crossed.

  21. MinnFinn says:

    This may be my last season. It’s become very monotonous. 1. Carol and Daryl are split off from the group again this season. 2. Rick’s protagonists are always men.

    I’d like a new settlement introduced consisting of strong women and maybe a few eunichs in their group. Heck Ezekial with a pet tiger is on deck so why not have a camp of Amazons (with breasts) with some gratuitous eunichs?

    Anyway my peace-loving but strong and smart Amazons group grew as word got out about them. The women left their previous groups because they got tired of the hothead alpha males and their egos and all the unnecessary fighting with other alpha males which always effs things up for everybody.

    The Amazons have a lovely flower garden and dog/cat rescue. They have a phenomenol weapons cache but rarely use it. Their best and most effective weapon is brilliant wit, diplomacy, nonviolent resistance and a strict vetting policy with a small quota for admitting men who must be castrated by their inhouse Mayo Clinic surgeon. Periodically they have girls night outs at the nearest luxury mall which hasn’t been looted. There they try on jewelry at Tiffany and gowns at Neimans… I could go on.

    • MC2 says:

      What time and channel?! I would watch that and I am suddenly free on Sundays from 9-11.

      • MinnFinn says:

        LOL!!!!!!

        City of Minneapolis public access channel. Sunday nights 8pm. Tune in earlier and you can see “Recycle and Reuse” or the City Council meeting. It’s all commercial free!

  22. Jean Gray says:

    I thought I was in the minority of people who though leaving on a cliffhanger for the entire break was a dumb idea. They must have learned from GoT and that whole Jon Snow is not dead debacle that the internet is dark and full of spoilers. And I tried to stay off of those sites. Until a few days ago I clicked a comment section and some buttwipe posted the spoiler as a picture. Ugh. I kind of knew it would be Glen or Abe but both would have surprised me. Even if as someone said above just show Abe before the break and then continue the premiere and show the Glen double whammy. It was bad story telling to leave the viewers with that cliffhanger for such a long break.

  23. TOPgirl says:

    Glenn and Abraham RIP. I hope Carl doesn’t lose his arm. Are they trying to end the Walking Dead? Sad days ahead folks.

    • Nancy says:

      Nah Carl has much ahead of him if they continue to follow the comics. Abraham’s character in the comics died from an arrow through his eye….but that death went to Denise last season, and of course, Glenn suffered the exact fate in which he did last night, getting his head bashed in by Lucille.

  24. The Original G says:

    I thought it was very self-indulgent. JDM is a terrific actor but his endless soliloquy made it seem like the writers thought is was Hamlet. It’s not. The attempt to keep up the suspense fell flat halfway through.

    This show has been rambling, repetitive and plotless for years. The Talking Dead was filled with self commiseration too. Leave us a little mystery and get on with a plot line.

  25. Radley says:

    Welp, the showrunners said this is effectively a reboot. So after that murder p or n and removing two characters from the crowded landscape they should get back to more zombie suspense and character studies. Oh and plotting against Negan too. Remember there’s Carol and Morgan with Ezekiel in the Kingdom and rumor has it the Whisperers are coming this season too. So I’m still into it. As long as nothing happens to Rick, Michonne and Daryl. Not this season at least. I couldn’t take it.

  26. Miss M says:

    I finally had a chance to be on the walking dead panel! 🙂
    They really kept it as a top secret at NY Comic Con. Steven is voicing a character in the up coming animated show ” trollhunters” directed by Guilhermo del Toro and will be released on netflix.

  27. Eric says:

    The show was never the same after season 1. That’s when a Frank Darabont (The Shawshank Redemption) was removed from the show (although his name still appears in the current opening credits).

    The show doesn’t frighten any more like it did in Season 1. Writing is now pathetic and filled with overlong scenes, a true lack of backstory-telling, and torture porn.

  28. greenmonster says:

    I still think it was a dumb idea that they had left Season 6 on a cliffhanger, because people guessed correctly for months who was going to die.
    It is also a bit unfair to the character of Abraham, because his death is overshadowed by Glenn’s. Why couldn’t they kill off Abe in last season’s finale and Glenn in this season’s opening? I was also upset, that the writers basically made it Daryl’s fault. Are they trying actively to get people to hate him? I thought Negan would kill Abraham because Rick’s group killed some of Negan’s people and then he would turn to Glenn because they killed so many of them.

  29. DesertReal says:

    Honestly the Dude and I were too mad at how it began- with nearly 20 minutes of flashbacks and dragging things out, and stringing the audience along (just like the finale) that by the time Duke Nukem & Glenn died…
    True story, I was too annoyed to be upset. Me. The broad who cried when Glenn fell, cried when (as it turned out to be) Nicholas got torn apart on top of him, and kept crying through the commercial break.
    I was pissed and distracted by all the sloppy storytelling and cheap tricks being used in a show that frankly doesn’t need it.
    I’m over it.

  30. HeatherAnn says:

    It was fun reading everyone’s comments because pretty much everyone feels like I did. It is nice to get the validation. I used to love this show so much but it’s like they are trying to kill your love for it. Too much. Too much. I’m out for awhile. Maybe I will come back to it.

  31. Amelie says:

    Ugh I will never be able to watch this show. I work in digital comics and have been subjected to too many PDF files of the comic. It is formulaic and never deviates: Rick has a moral crisis, Carl is a brat, some walkers, somebody dies, some evil baddie arises, more walkers, another death… I’ve known about the Negan character for a few years and I always had to fast forward through those pages because I got bored by the repeat scenes with him and it was too gruesome to read. We all have to thank Charlie Adlard (the artist of the comics) for inspiring the show to take the gore factor to another level. The comments have convinced me I will never watch the show.

    • KasySwee says:

      The show has gotten horribly ensnared in the original comics’ clichés. it wasn’t like that at the start where it was almost its own thing, with more balance and depth.

  32. becoo says:

    I sincerely hope Andy Lincoln gets some awards love at some point before the show ends. He’s been consistently, devastatingly good as Rick IMO. One of the most striking things about Lincoln’s portrayal is how much emotion he can convey with his eyes alone. I think the reason fans felt so raw after yesterday’s episode was not only because of how beloved Glenn was as a character, but because of how authentically Andy demonstrated Rick’s pain. We ALL felt like we were Rick laying on the top of that bus.

  33. KasySwee says:

    I gave up on this show when the whole Nagen storyline started heading right into torture porn territory. I liked it when there was more to get out the show aside from the creators tormenting the viewers with Even More Evil Villains and Another Char You Really Liked Dying Horribly. Nevermind that for the last two seasons they have been navelgazing over how “awesome” a show they have that they just spun their wheels with char development so it felt like either chars got killed off or became parodies (and what the heck were they doing woith Carol?). Oh well. Life goes on.

  34. Ange says:

    My husband gave up on TWD a season or two ago, I gave up after the governor led into terminus because omg will those idiots never LEARN?!?! Where in the hell were the cows if that woman was bbqing?!?? Anyway. He started watching Z Nation and apparently it’s not too bad, it moves a lot faster and while it’s more low budget than TWD he says it’s a good alternative.

  35. Kath says:

    Finally watched the episodes and I think my addiction to TWD might be at an end. The scenes with Negan were drawn out to the extent that, yes, it felt like torture p0rn.

    I always thought that if TWD killed off Glenn, I might be done. He was always my favourite character by a long shot, because he had something no-one else did in the group: intelligence. He wouldn’t just run into a situation and react instinctively, but thought things through. The scene where he suits up in the prison guard armor and fights his way out through the prison zombies was a case in point.

    The character’s intelligence helped him survive, so to have him die in such a pointless and meaningless way was just.. yeah. Perhaps I’m done.

    I got thoroughly sick of watching the Governor endlessly speechify in that crap season – and I was already sick of the Negan character after 5 minutes. Don’t know if I can take a whole season of this.

  36. justme2 says:

    Everyone’s reactions to how Abe and Glenn died is so surprising. In the comics Glenns death was pretty spot on and true to what the show portrayed. His eye bulged like that, his head caved in like that, and he was beat to a bloody pulp. All you saw in the comic after it was down was meat and an eyeball on the ground. Glenn did gasp and try to talk as Negan’s talked BS in the comics. It was a really rough death and I was so sure they wouldn’t be able to repeat it on tv. If you are a TWD fan this played out how it should. Glenn needed to die so Maggie’s story could go where it needed to be and I was glad to here the actors acknowledge that. Glenn could not survive that night. Abraham well I expected it as a “oh look is wasn’t Glenn” thing and then bam straight to our hearts. Negan’s is a cruel SOB and he killed them exactly as he did in the comic, bashing until there was nothing left. I say good job on that scene. The rest I would have liked to have seen more focus on everyones reactions just not ricks. That is my biggest complaint. I mean I get it you needed to see him broken but after abraham and Glenn he would have been broken and they needed to show how others reacted.

  37. KC says:

    I had to sit out everything after season 3 while I finished grad school (I think that’s where Michinne and the blonde meet and end up in that crazy town) and was hoping to Bonge watch to catch up. But brutally killing —— ?! Even missing several seasons I have no desire to return to a show that would do that now.😞 Thank you for sparing me so much time and emotional energy.

  38. ashley says:

    I’m the type of person who cries in EVERY show, every movie, every commercial that has a tinge of something sad. I’ve been with this show since day 1 and I was in so much physical disgust and shock I couldn’t even cry. I know it’s a comic book so you have that kind of gory element you have to service, but really?? It starts to become so gratuitous and none of the villains ever have good character development or any clear motivations for being as awful as they are. So sickened. I’m really thinking about quitting finally but I’m so invested now…

    Anyone else think that poor Coral is dead inside at this point? Poor kid held it together better than the adults.