Here are some photos of Hillary Clinton at a Florida rally a few days ago. You guys… I don’t even know what to say anymore. The polls are crazy. I’m trying to stay calm but Nate Silver is basically telling people to freak out. The swing states are swinging. The “safe-Dem” states are going red. WTF IS HAPPENING? FiveThirtyEight now has Donald Trump’s chances at winning the presidency up to 33.7%. It looks like Trump could win Iowa, Florida and Ohio… and still lose the election? But it’s still dicey as f—k. So let’s go through some of the political stories circulating today, I guess.
The Anthony Weiner crap. First of all, it seems like Weiner may have gone into sex rehab, because who even cares anymore? Meanwhile, the teenage girl that Weiner sexted spoke to Buzzfeed about FBI Director James Comey’s letter to Congress, the same letter that blew up the election less than two weeks before Election Day. The young girl tells Buzzfeed that, basically, she’s really pissed off with the way the FBI has been leaking information about her case, and she feels like Director Comey re-victimized her for political reasons. You can read her letter here.
Obama speaks about Comey. Earlier this week, the White House spokesperson was basically like “this is the FBI’s mess, they need to clean it up, we’re not getting involved.” But Pres. Obama spoke to a reporter yesterday and he said: “Setting aside the particulars of this case, I know that she [HRC] is somebody who has always looked out for the interest of America and the American people first. And I do think that there is a norm that, you know, when there are investigations, we don’t operate on innuendo. We don’t operate on incomplete information. We don’t operate on leaks. We operate based on concrete decisions that are made.” Which sounds like Pres. Obama is judging the sh-t out of Director Comey.
The FBI is leaking like a sieve. I don’t get why the FBI is suddenly the massive hot-bed of politically motivated bulls—t, but here we are. I suspect that is why Director Comey sent the letter to the Congress last week, because if he didn’t, his own people would have leaked the information to Fox News or whatever. And instead of cleaning his own house of politically-motivated leakers, he’s emboldened them and now the FBI is leaking sh-t all over the place.
The Trump-rape case. What is even happening with this case, where a woman claims Donald Trump raped her when she was a teenager? I don’t know. The alleged victim was supposed to do a press conference yesterday but her lawyer canceled it at the last minute.
Hillary Clinton is a Cubs fan. Sort of. She’ll be a fan of whichever team you want, please just vote for her.
They did it! 108 years later and the drought is finally over. Way to make history, @Cubs. #FlyTheW -H
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) November 3, 2016
Anyone who sees and treats women this way is unfit to be president. pic.twitter.com/aRXRfItr0r
— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) November 1, 2016
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
There’s only one poll that counts.
I’m with her!
Agreed. I just wish this whole thing was over with already. I’ll be sitting all day at parent/teacher conferences on election day and will be a nervous wreck. What’s worse is my school is normally a polling place. Due to the nature of this crazy election, it won’t be used for the safety of the students. Dear God…heaven help us.
I’ll be doing parent-teacher conferences that day too! I am thanking my lucky stars my school is not a polling place. I’m gonna dance in, vote for Hil and dance on out!
I swear if one more Trump sign goes up on Rt 80 (NJ) I am going to lose my mind and get a ticket for severe swerving! The only solace is that I convinced my friend to vote Hillary instead of abstaining on the presidential ballot (she and partner were voting down ticket only). She’s PA so every vote counts.
Hun, I’m from NJ and almost wish I was there because it usually turns out blue . Now I’m more south and feel scared that this state will turn out red with all the Trump supporters i i.know and work with 🙁 makes me miss the (north) Dirty Jersey!
Yep, only one poll matters. But I’m with Kaiser that these polls are making a lot of us crazy. I reflexively turn cable news on and then immediately off again with such frequency every day and night that my fingers are starting to resent me and I think I detect a tremor. (“I’m turning into Dr. Strangelove,” I yelled at my errant right hand today.)
I’m simultaneously obsessed with and repelled by every single word the newscasters say about the campaign. I got furious at my husband today because when I was ranting on again about The Awfulness That is Donald Trump, he agreed in a mild, halfassed way, but then pointed out that Clinton is no Girl Scout. At that I started screaming about “false equivalencies,” and when he went all passive then to shut that line of conversation down (or okay, to shut me UP), I informed him that I would DEFINITELY be moving to Canada if Trump wins the election — “Montreal,” I added, “so that I can improve my French”– I thought that gave my words the added weight of an actual, well-thought-out plan to leave the US, but then he asked me if our dog Mildred had pooped yet today. I took that as passive-aggressive commentary upon my opinions about the campaign, so I left the room. And so on.
The simple truth is that even aside from what I consider to be the alarming — no, truly catastrophic — idea of Donald Trump being handed the nuclear codes, I would very simply be utterly mortified to have a sleazy, greedy, sexist, racist, dishonest, xenophobic, intemperate idiot like him as “my” president! I’m already embarrassed in front of my European cousins whenever they speak in scandalized tones about Donald Trump, candidate for President of the United States.
How did this even happen? It’s like a really stupid B-movie about the worst thing that could ever happen in politics.
Gotta go turn CNN back on again. BRB.
I don’t know anyone who is answering the phone anymore to respond to a poll. Chuck Todd of Meet the Press said on Twitter that most news organizations cannot afford polling. Who knows where these numbers are coming from.
Agreed.
I became slightly addicted to reading the news just to find some scrap of comfort to hold on to. But I know I need to stop at this point. Like you said, no one knows where these numbers are coming from. Every article is just the same bullsh–t over and over again. My nerves are frayed and I’m exhausted with it. It’s all just a bunch of talk until next week.
I’m trying to trust that there is still goodness in the world and it’s not going away no matter who wins the election, as long as good-hearted people keep fighting to keep it alive.
@LiterallyAShambles, same. I am on my last nerve and this needs to be over now.
WTF is WRONG with all of these people voting for him? 35% of the country thinks this man is fit to be the leader of the free world?
I need to go curl up in a ball somewhere.
I had to stop watching my political shows and the news. These polls are driving me insane and it’s just too stressful now to pay attention to them. I voted last week and hope to God Hillary wins. I can’t imagine what is going to happen to our country if Trump wins. I just can’t go there.
Donald Trump could have afforded polling, he just spent more money on hats instead!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/25/donald-trumps-campaign-has-spent-more-on-hats-than-on-polling/%3F0p19G%3De?client=safari
and he stiffed his polling firm to the tune of $750,000+.
@MeeMow, you cannot make this stuff up. No words.
Can we talk about the hats? I call them trucker hats. They are the type country type guys wear/wore. Someone I know keeps saying DT is trying to look like a baseball fan. I don’t see that. I think he’s trying to downplay silver spoon and play ‘everyman’.
Thoughts?
In my head they are called dork hats. No one looks good in that style. Baseball hats are a whole other thing.
I don’t know who has land lines in America. I have two thoughts on polling.
1. it is old people, over 50.
2. they are missing millennials .
I don’t know how you poll cell phones but I doubt it is happening. So, they would miss me because although I have two cell phones, I have no landline.
When Debbie Wasserman was in charge of the DNC I received a crap load of email telling me to vote but now I receive nothing….
The last piece is off topic and a complaint. what is the DNC doing to get people motivated to vote.
I’m 30 and have a land line. It’s so much easier than giving out my cell phone # to any company/person that needs it – I’d much rather them call my house and leave me a message than to be blowing up my phone all day long, especially when I don’t answer calls to my cell phone that I don’t know.
@DeniseMich – ‘old people over 50’ lol peope in their 50’s aren’t old – not in 2016
I think people in their 30’s and 40’s still have and use land line.
Just to clarify…. cable phones through triple play deals are not land lines.
Under 40 with not one but two landlines, not through a cable triple play but real land lines, going into my house and both are connected to phones that do not require charging. I’m caregiver for an 88 year old and if we lose power during a blizzard, I want to be able to call for help if she needs it. One number is hers and her “helpline” runs through it. The other is my “official” phone, which, as someone else described, I use as a clearinghouse and only people I want to talk to are contacting me on my cell. Kelly Ayotte calls me on the landline multiple times each day, begging me to vote for her in NH. I live in MA.
Also, I’m getting emails hourly from the DNC about voting.
I’ve been polled many times and have never been called on landline. They call me on my cell. They use cell phones. Some even use online polling.
I’m still getting DNC email after I signed up during Obama’s first run, and I get emails constantly for HRC.
Okay…I found my DNC stuff it is in SPAM.
@ Isabelle are you a millennial? You are the first person to say they have been polled via cell phone.
When you say online polling are you being notified to go to a secure page and answer questions or are you talking about the questions anyone can answer on CNN?
I’m in a solidly blue state, so mercifully, have always been spared the deluge of phone calls and commercials during election season. I guess I should be thankful for that one silver lining in this nightmare of a month 😒
Some polls do include cell phones. Not all polls are the same. For example, the LA Times poll has been polling the exact same voters this entire time. That poll is great to use to see trends, but it isn’t as representative of the country as a whole. There are pros and cons to different methods, and I think it is a good thing to have variations.
538 weighs the polls differently based on their methodology and their accuracy in past elections.
@tiffany,
I believe at one point Nate compared trump winning to the Chicago cubs.
I go to the 538 site but this week it has been a mess. As u know Hillary went from 86% down to 63%
After this election, I want the leaks found at the fBI and quotas for hiring of women and minorities.
This would not be happening if the FBI wasn’t so out of sync with America and 80% white mainly male
Denise, you mean this article that was written on Oct. 30th?:
“The Cubs Have a Smaller Chance of Winning Than Trump Does”
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-cubs-have-a-smaller-chance-of-winning-than-trump-does/
F*cking terrifying! I wouldn’t say the website is a mess…I think this election cycle is a mess. Their stats reflect that the generic “Emails!” scandal reinforced a pre-existing negative narrative about Clinton, and it seems to be having an impact on voters. I hope that impact is being overstated, but there is a serious likelihood that it is not.
38 and have a land line. I have been called at least a dozen times since before the primaries began about this election.
Millennials are those aged 19-35 in 2016.
Tiffany, Yes. I mean that article. You are correct 538 is not a mess in terms of its information. It is just making me feel a mess.
Also, every older white male I speak to leans Trump. My point about the landline and age, is I hope they are calling old people cuz if it is the larger population, I am so disappointed in America.
I can’t have another Gore or Kerry Wednesday
I live in a neighborhood in the woods and my cell gets 0 reception so I have to unfortunately shell out for a land line in case of emergency.
@denise, Gen X. My understanding is they use a system where they dial likely voter numbers randomly. More about the phone number versus how they call you. Maybe once your number is locked into the system and you actually respond, more likely you will get another call? Unsure but I’ve participated in every election since 2008. I’m mostly been called by PEW research and state pollsters.
When you live in California, you have to have a land line due to earthquakes. In a big quake, cell towers will go down and you’ll be *^%$ outta luck. ALWAYS keep one basic (no frills/long distance) land line here.
I am a day late to the party but am posting this here so it does not get lost in the end of the thread.
Here is the info on polling in the US:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2016/Info/polling-faq.html
Here are a few highlights in regards to cell phones, VoIP, etc:
Do pollsters call cell phones?
Yes if they are dialing the numbers manually; No if a computer is doing the dialing. This fact means that people who have only a cell phone and no land line will be systematically excluded from polls with automatic dialing. Since cell-only people tend to be mostly young people, the pollsters intentionally overweight the 18-30 year olds to compensate for this effect, but as more people drop their landlines, it is becoming a serious issue. Here is a report on the issue.
Do pollsters call VoIP phones?
Increasingly many people have phone service over cable or on Skype. Calling them is a bit tricky because customers can often choose any area code they want. Someone living in Seattle can choose a Florida area code so his mother can call him as a local call. When a pollster calls someone with a Florida area code and gets someone in Washington, the accuracy of the poll is not improved.
Do pollsters miss any other large groups besides cell users?
Yes. They never, ever poll the 7 million Americans who live overseas (roughly the population of Virginia) even though all of them over 18 are eligible to vote in the state they previously lived in. These people are soldiers, teachers, missionaries, students, businessmen, and spouses of foreign nationals, to name just a few categories. Since they are such a heterogeneous group, they are hard to correct for.
I am completely freaking out now. My heart sank like a stone when I read Nate Silver’s post this morning. How has our country come to this? How is this even a remotely close race? I just don’t understand it.
Read this Slate post, it should help you to breathe again. It’s from yesterday late afternoon but still, it’s pretty darned reassuring for Clinton supporters. Also, don’t forget that a 33% chance of winning means a 67% chance of losing. 🙂
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/02/hillary_clinton_is_still_in_control_of_the_electoral_map.html?wpisrc=burger_bar
Because some people are so pissed off at the establishment that they’re prepared to vote in a nut like Trump just to lash out at it.
Yep, I heard of a woman who still wants to vote for Trump because he’ll “shake things up.” Because there’s nothing like a nuclear blast to “shake things up” and get the country moving again!
JFC if all you care about is voting for a political outsider then just vote for my f*cking cat Pickles, you know?
What the HELL is wrong with these people where they believe POTUS is a “no experience necessary” position.
Pickles for President!
My Moochie for VP! That’s the ticket!
Pickles is more qualified to be President & has a better temperament then Donald Trump. Pickles won’t start WWIII. Pickles won’t sexually assault anyone. Pickles won’t ban abortion. Pickles may ban laser pointers.
@Kitten, I now have an image of Bill Galvin tallying votes for Pickles TheCat
Don’t get me started on the “want to shake things up” people.
I understand the sentiment, I truly do, but Trump is NOT the one to try this experiment with.
How do people with functioning brains not see this? Jesus Christ!
That’s what confuses me. The “establishment” is the establishment because we voted the bums in, right? Are we not partially to blame for the mess? How do people explain this to themselves? Are they mad at everyone in office or just the one’s they didn’t vote for? And how is flipping the chessboard by voting in a megalomaniac gonna do anything except make a start-from-scratch mess that undercuts America’s stability?? Wouldn’t it be better to hold those in office accountable all the time and not just at election time? Shouldn’t we be watching them closely and making sure they aren’t just obstructionist but actually get things done? Even if that means negotiating with the other party?
These are real questions. I don’t get the logic.
Dr Frankenstein also experimented – and created a monster.
To me, the Republican Party is Dr. Frankenstein and Donald Trump is the Monster.
I don’t see the logic either. Some people act like government is just a plaything that should be responsive to their ever-changing moods.
@Radley, you are 100% correct, but that would involve a lot more (long-term, sustained) work than changing one’s fb profile photo to “Make America Great Again” and voting for that psychopath on Election Day.
It really upsets me that so many people have that line of reasoning. AS IF he isn’t a pawn to the “establishment” interests, like big banks, because of his personal dealings. He has so much debt to so many people in so many countries and has so many business ventures, to think that he could act independently on behalf of the American people is just foolish.
He also CLEARLY hasn’t done the homework needed to fix what is wrong with the “establishment”. If you can’t understand a problem, you sure as f*ck aren’t going to be able to fix it.
I’m from Kansas, and we’re suffering from the Republican’s economic/tax experiment. Now they want to tinker with executive powers at the national level? Count me out.
I found my manager (male, evangelical) is pro-Trump; no surprise here. It broke my heart to find my senior manager (female, ABWA member, my mentor) is also pro-Trump. Even though I’m deep in red country, I voted early and #ImWithHer!
I think a lot of people who are voting for Trump and use the shake them up argument are putting up a smokescreen for racism.. There is no way people voting him ,did not hear the Racist things he has said about various groups. The man is a racist and a vote for him is a Racist vote to set the Country back to the 1950’s, or 1940’s when women could NOT do what they wanted with their bodies if pregnant and when there were less or practically no civil rights for various groups. Trump is a racist. IMO
Racists. Sexists. White trash.
Sorry, but it’s true. That’s who will vote for Trump.
That and idiots are voting third party (splits the vote) or writing in Bernie (which basically makes their vote useless).
I said months ago that America IS dumb enough to elect trump. I won’t breathe until the results roll in.
I’m also holding my breath. I am usually in bed by 10pm. I’m just not a night owl. You can bet the farm, I will be up until the final results come in Tuesday night and damn the consequences.
It’s not over until the last vote is counted. Complacency and ignorance could very well lead to a disastrous result.
This truly is an intelligence test for the US.
Me too Rachel. I’m in bed by 9:30 but there’s NO way I’ll be able to sleep next Tuesday night.
I don’t think there is enough xanax in all of VA for me to be able to sleep on Tuesday night. I’m going to be like a mental patient muttering to myself all night watching the news. Trump wins, then i’m going full mental & emotional breakdown.
There’s not enough Xanax in the COUNTRY to get me through the next five days.
I forsee a replay of 2000. I don’t think this will be over on November 9. I sincerely hope I’m dead wrong.
@Nicole, I would guess many of these voters are the same exact people who didn’t learn their damn lesson with Nader in 2000… 😒
I get Election Day off and I already know I’m gonna spend all day stress eating and obsessively watching CNN and MSNBC. I already voted, so nothing left to do but wait and watch.
@Christin, and we saw what just happened with Brexit. No one expected that to ACTUALLY happen, yet here we are.
“I already know I’m gonna spend all day stress eating and obsessively watching CNN and MSNBC”
Yes, this will be me. I have to work that day though, and someone on my team is having their last day that day, so I have to crap to deal with. AND I made the horrific mistake of planning to travel to the Midwest the day after. I hope they aren’t raging in protest of a female president, I hope I am not raging in protest of a deplorable president. Next week is going to be so rough for me!
Read the Princeton Election Consortium (Sam Wang).
Much more reassuring map.
This! Nate Silver is basically click bait at this point. Donald well may win (oh god the humanity the horror) but I choose to believe Sam – it’s been a very stable season, statistically speaking, and I’m not going to freak. I voted.
Ditto. This is beyond terrifying.
🙁
I kept checking in on FiveThirtyEight every hour or so yesterday and seeing HRC’s percentage keep dropping and Trump’s rising turned my stomach in the worst way…I’m so fearful that the worst will happen.
But I also did drop my ballot off so I feel slightly comforted in knowing that I’ve done my part!!
Nate is getting a lot of pushback this cycle. I don’t think he is on top of his game and he is posting a lot of click bait.
I have faith in my country!! I know (the majority) of us will do the right thing next Tuesday.
Until then, I am not watching the cable news or clicking on baiting articles!!
He’s getting pushback because he has extra volatility built into his numbers. He correctly recognizes that there are a larger number of undecideds this election, along with 3rd party voters, and they could change their minds at the last minute. I would rather hear sobering updates that get people out to vote, than to see the false comfort of data that isn’t taking into account the unique nature of this election and the number of undecideds.
@Tiffany, if you read Sam Wang, he explains why this isn’t really that volatile of an election season (again, statistically speaking – I certainly feel like the country’s been through the wringer). It’s nice to hear someone being a grownup, you know? It’s not that he doesn’t recognize that there’s a chance Donnie can win, but he explains why it’s unlikely.
I guess I lean towards reading the “Negative Nancy” because I don’t want to get my hopes up too high if they are going to be crushed. I’d rather be pleasantly surprised. Also, I think some people need a fire under their ass to get them to the polls (or to get them away from 3rd party). In my heart, I hope you and Sam Wang are correct!
Indeed, Nate Silver ‘s 538 was bought by ESPN. Someone needs a horse race and click bait. So much for integrity.
I actually feel like crying and curling up in a ball. I am SO despondent over what our country has turned to. I feel like hate and anger and fear are everywhere and I just want to go live in a cabin in the woods with my family and reconnect to myself, to love, to humility, to caring. I am utterly embarrassed over America. And to think there is a strong chance Trump becomes president makes me want to sob more. Seriously. Feel so defeated.
I feel the same way. It’s so disheartening.
The whole world is watching. I’m Canadian and I’m hoping that all decent Americans will rise up en masse and smash Trump, the GOP, and their hateful fanatics into oblivion. I can imagine what will happen to the world if the biggest nuclear superpower has a psychopath at the helm aided and abetted by a Russian psychopath. I see little difference between the Republicans and ISIS in terms of philosophy at this point.
I know nothing about baseball, but a commentator remarked there’s a historical pattern. If the league the Indians are in wins the World Series in a presidential election year, it is a Republican victory. If the league the Cubbies are in wins the World Series in a presidential election year, it is a Democratic victory. Members of the national media are overwhelmingly registered Democrats. I have a theory they may be scaring hell into Democrats to go out and vote … or else. I agree completely with Jenns. If Americans are “stupid” (like Trump has said in the past) enough to elect him, they deserve every bit of the horror that will come with a Trump presidency. I always said what happened in Germany would happen in the US because Americans bragged it never could. Karma listens, folks. Americans are no better than any other world citizens. Karma may be teaching Americans a harsh (hopefully not brutal) lesson in reality. Melania can barely string two sentences together in English. She’s a joke as much as her Sugar Granddaddy. Can’t stand the sight of either one of them.
LA LA LA LA LA CAN’T HEAR YOU!!!!!!!
But seriously, I find myself getting angry that it’s even this close. I’m angry that people would vote for such a vile and hateful man. But I feel that if this country is stupid enough to vote for him, then we deserve what we get.
I’m with you. I feel like I can’t even muster up the energy to be angry and outraged anymore. I feel like I need to just start building a bunker.
I think the polls are the least of our worries. I am now wondering if we will even have an election. Have you guys seen the latest email dump from Wieners’ computer?
@BonnieJean, no, I haven’t, and I don’t think my nerves can take it.
Any chance you’d be willing to do a Cliff’s-Notes-style summary?
Lorelai…google “SOCIGA3301”
Bonnie Jean: “I am now wondering if we will even have an election.”
WTF is that supposed to mean? And what do Anthony Weiner’s latest emails have to do with it? Don’t be coy with a cryptic Google link, just lay it out here please.
Oh brother – there have been crazy anti-Obama people claiming that there will be no election because he wants to stay in power.
Growing up living on military bases and embassies around the world, I was taught that America was the greatest country on earth. Other countries were amazing, but America was special. This election makes me question my country in a way I never have before. Democracy and decency is on the ballot, and about 1/2 of our country is willing to take a dump on everything we hold dear. I’m so mad. I’m beyond mad.
On a happy note, I volunteer for the Hillary campaign and I just drove a bus full of college kids to vote here in VA. I’m doing my bit to keep VA blue!
You are doing something great!! Greetings from VA.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Melly, thank you!
Great stuff. It’s very concerning to hear the POC voting numbers are significantly down compared to previous elections. I can understand that there were particular reasons motivating those voters in 2008 and 2012 but please people, get out and vote.
A fellow va-er thanks you!! I’m cautiously optimistic she will take our state (thank you nova and D.C. Suburbs lol)
Wait – where’d they vote? Virginia doesn’t have early voting, we have absentee with reason, but you can mail that in.
You can vote absentee in person at the local voting office. Most college students vote absentee because they are far away from their local polls. That’s where HRC ground game comes in to play. They spent the last several months making sure college kids signed up to vote absentee.
I’m in Northern VA and it’s pretty liberal up here. I was feeling really crappy about the election this morning, but after seeing the passion of kids on the college campus I’m actually feeling really good. GMU students are motivated and charged up! They are so informed and able to have intelligent and insightful discussions about the issues. I’d vote for any of those kids before I’d vote for Trump.
Melly, we’re neighbors!
What’s up neighbor Betsey! I live in Loudoun but I’ve been volunteering in both Fairfax and Sterling – I’m a 2 county threat.
Thank you so much for the work you’re doing. I’d love to get a bunch of younguns excited about their political power to the polls….
@Susanne
You don’t have to get them charged up, they come pre-charged! So many of the kids were telling me that they are voting for HRC because the Obamas told them to. Which is weird because when do teenagers do what they’re told? haha
They are voting for Obama’s legacy. Also, many of them are passionate about criminal justice reform and the progressive agenda of the DNC. It’s unfortunate that there isn’t more passion for HRC specifically.
I’m gettting an ulcer and a serious drinking problem ugh. Can’t wait for this sh*t to be over. #imwithher
There is not enough wine in the world to get me through this next week, so I’m currently exhausting the internet of adorable animal videos being adorable.
Emergency mojitos and a showing of Mean Girls in my secret bunker this evening.
Admission costs two cans of non-perishable foods or pet feed for those wishing to bring their furry companions to a safe space in preparation for the apocalypse.
I’d say “ha,” but it’s not funny. Drinking plenty of wine and escaping to simple Christmas movies. Also building a bunker for my furry family of five. This is just a bad dream–it has to be. How else did a complete Buffoon get to this point.
Hillary needs to win. I’ve worked so hard to create a better future for my pupper and kitten. They deserve better, America!
Amelia, if you hear some commotion outside your bunker, it is me trying to carry my two cats, severel litre of Caipiroshka, food and some Disney princess DVDs to hate on 🙂
So, I’m very close with five other couples, but one couple is our best friends. Of the five other couples, 2 are rabid Republicans, 3 are sort of neutral/don’t discuss it, and then our best friends and we are rabid Dems. We have wine night tomorrow night-each couple brings two bottles and a themed appetizer (it’s Italian this week). It’s going to be a SHITSHOW!
We’re also planning a Tuesday night get together with our besties to watch the election countdown. No one else is invited to that.
You’re a better person than I am. My best friend and her husband have a Trump yard sign and I’ve been avoiding them like the plague. I just can’t.
The sad thing is, they are GOOD people. In many other ways. I’d trust them to be in my house, or watch my kids, or call them at 3am for a favor.
But this? Nope. I can’t have a rational conversation with anyone who thinks this man is fit to be POTUS. They’re voting out of hatred for Obama and the Clintons. Pure ignorance.
Your wine night sounds fantastic! Can I come 🙂
I think I’d cancel it this week though….
@Lorelai. I’m w/ you 100% on this. My best friend is with the Orange One, too, and I avoid talking about it like the plague, because I will totally lose it and go off on her for not being informed. Probably best to keep my distance until after the election.
There should be some way to sue Comey/FBI. His statement has 100% influenced the election and I just feel like there should be some recourse.
Smart people are saying this was a coup attempt. Getting rid of Hillary and the Dems.
We should be able to do something – this is interference plain and simple.
The Guardian has an interesting piece about the FBI being Trumpland.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump
Not looking at polls any more. Too freaked out. Plan to spend lunchtime today looking for a white blouse to wear to the polls Tuesday. Sister Suffragette!
Good idea! I’m going dressed all in blue. #voteblue #imwithher
Way to go! Thank you for this great post:-)
Wearing white…. Nice idea. I’m in.
#nastywomengetshitdone
#BadBitchMom
Melly:
Your #BadBitchMom brought a smile on my face. I needed the momentary comic relief and its deep-seated significance of assurance. Thank you.
Always here to help!
I’m going to see The Dressmaker today and after that I’ll get busy on the five blu rays I’ve had for four days and been too consumed to watch.
Yes, there have been reports that many women doing early voting have been wearing white to the polls. White was the color worn by the suffragettes. Clinton wore white when she shattered the ceiling to accept the first major party nomination of a woman for president. And she wore white in the third debate. Geraldine Ferraro wore white when she accepted the nomination for Vice President.
Shirley Chisholm wore white in her “Bring U.S. Together” ad…for whatever reason…a striking visual and a metaphor.
I can’t vote Tuesday, but I’m going to wear white in solidarity. Best of luck.
The mental picture your comment has stirred in my head is inspiring and has lifted my spirits considerably.
Well done, Sister Suffragette!
Personally, I wore my Hogwarts T-shirt when I voted. I solemnly swear that I’m up to no good #NastyWoman
That’s a great idea! I’m going to wear white, too.
In fact, maybe cleaning out my closet will be a soothing time-waster for the next few days. Because god knows I cannot keep reading this coverage.
I’ve been doing that, too. Purging things I don’t need, in hopes donating will help someone else. It’s distracting, plus it makes me feel better to feel like there is some order and control right now.
I just saw a picture of a 103 year old woman – born before women even had the vote – who just voted for Hillary wearing a blue blouse and white pantsuit. Looking like a boss. Love!!
Wearing white is a great idea!
I saw a photo of two little girls dressed as Suffragettes for Halloween and it made me smile.
Word! I have to stop looking at them every five minutes. Fortunately, for Hilly supporters, things are starting to look more and more like 2012. And Trump has no ground game What. So. Ever. Also, the win last night in Chicago is actually a very good sign, at least historically speaking, for Hilly. For the past 70 years, or something close to that, whenever a World Series has been played during an election year, if the American League won the Republican candidate has also won. Likewise, when the National League has won, the Democratic candidate has won. Also, I think if on Tuesday night we hear North Carolina goes to Hillary Clinton, the race is over. Trump needs all the swing states and then he has to flip a blue state. It is impossible but it is going to be tough to do.
Actual stats about baseball aside, the magic of last night’s historic Cubs win did make me feel like it has got to bode well for a W for Hillary, too.
Just think. The last time the Cubs won the World Series, women COULD NOT VOTE.
Think about it. Amazing. And now here we are.
GO CUBS!!
GO HRC!!
Was a die-hard life-long Yankees fan. Both Cubs and Yankees owners are Trump supporters and donors. F–k both of them.
LinaLamont, Regarding the Cubs and the Ricketts family, not all are Trump supporters, mostly just the patriarch. The daughter is actually a pretty major HRC supporter.
This.
http://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/701779181986680832
@Esmom
“Regarding the Cubs and the Ricketts family, not all are Trump supporters, mostly just the patriarch. The daughter is actually a pretty major HRC supporter.”
One out of all of them, from what I gather:
http://www.si.com/mlb/2016/09/21/ricketts-family-endorses-donald-trump-campaign-chicago-cubs
http://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2016/10/25/can-cubs-fans-bleed-blue-while-seeing-red-over-the-ricketts-familys-support-of-trump
I will be looking to Florida, Ohio and New Hampshire that is the states John King CNN said Trump has to win to have a chance, what time do the results usually start coming in at, around 10 onwards, I am not sure, its going to be a long night, I am kind of excited and a little apprehensive as well, but who knows what is going to happen, cant wait.
It won’t take long until Hillary is behind bars.
Won’t be long til your two brain cells implode, troll.
They have bars on the windows of the White House?
I guess they had to put some up to keep Trump from breaking in to the White House and stalking Hillary post-election after he loses.
The fence in front of the White House has bars.
It was a play on words 😛
see”? she’ll be behind bars soon? yes, you say? they have bars on the white house windows? because soon she’ll be in the WH?
fail on my part, having to explain it. 🙂
Oh dear. Got it. We’re just so wound up, you see.
LOL Sure dream on. That’s been the loopy ignorant conspiracy theorist right wing fantasy for 30 + years and you’ve never even gotten close. Why? Because there is literally nothing there.
The woman is overqualified to be a bartender. Stop it.
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She’ll be in front of the bar celebrating…
True A! Wow, first presidential candidate with TWO active FBI investigations currently going on. They say that the Clinton Foundation one will lead to indictment.
Even if Hillary wins she will not be able to govern. Thank god!
Well Trump is the first presidential candidate to not disclose his tax returns in 65 years. So what’s your point? Whose alleged crime is more serious? A man who needs a mental health assessment should under no circumstances have the codes to nukes!
two investigations regarding email usage (some she didn’t even send or receive) vs. a man who is facing ACTUAL TRIALS for defrauding people of millions and child rape. no to mention the dozens of lawsuits he’s facing for stiffing people who did work for him.
but yeah, focus on those emails.
Meanwhile Trump has an active FBI investigation into his ties with Russia and a civil case about raping a 13 year old.
Hillary’s emails are a snoozefest and the Republicans know it.
It would be nice to see Mitch McConnell or Paul Ryan’s email though…because they are so pure and saintly.
Any adult can accept that politics is a dirty business and shit happens to get stuff done. Amazing to me though, how only Hillary Clinton is somehow the most terrible, awful person to run for presidenct or serve in an elected or appointed postion. LMAO literally. Grow up.
Trump Foundation was shut down in NY & investigate. It didn’t even have proper certification and were rerouting funds, but guess you don’t like talking about F*ckface Von Clownsticks high jinks.
Ah, a Putin’s puppet speaks. Who pulled the string?
You do know that IRS audits are investigations, right? And Spiro Agnew went to prison for tax fraud, right?
Also, any current FBI investigation is unlikely to go to trial before February 2017. BTW, if I had a dollar for every time someone told me the Clintons were going to prison because of some Republican instigated investigation, I would be richer than Trump pretends to be.
And who is this “they?”
Trump has a hearing in December for the rape of a 13 year old. So there’s that.
Samantha Bee did a piece on Russian trolls who have hundreds of accounts that they use to troll the American public. Not saying you’re one of them, just thought this would be a great place to put this info.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OauLuWXD_RI
That was an eye-opener interview with that couple. Working right next door to the Kremlin to boot.
A pro-Trump commenter “Soror Bro” the other day posted a link here that went to the Russian propaganda website Sputnik.
Well, she will have cause to celebrate and bars are the place to do that.
Be prepared for disappointment, A.
Yeah, the commenters trashing Hillary always very conveniently leave out any reference to Drumpf’s pending
CHILD RAPE case 🙄
Yep. That story’s gaining traction now finally.
PLEASE. Nice try.
Ok, let’s all play troll! Hopefully, it won’t be long after Darrell “Benghazi” Issa loses his seat that he’s behind bars and Drump gets indicted for sexual assault.
Jackass
I understand that Putin’s puppets are targetting people with “simple minds” according to the Bee video. And they stopped here? Bwahahahaha! How humiliating for them.
Can you explain to me one thing. Why are republicans hashtagging #ryan2020. Do they know something we don’t, that Hillary is going to be president?
Even if Trump wins, Ryan is planning to impeach him and use Pence as a puppet.
For real?
@LightPurple, that sent a chill down my spine. That is, truly, even scarier than the prospect of Trump being POTUS. Pence is straight-up insane but is able to put up a semi-respectable image to the public, unlike his running mate. I sincerely hope that is not the case.
::cries::
He was plotting to change the RNC nomination rules prior to the convention but stopped because he realized the party base was ignoring him and the convention would turn into a riot. He likes Trump because of his views on the Supreme Court and destroying the Affordable Care Act but he knows he is dangerously unpredictable so he’ll give a few months to make those devastating changes but also time to make impeachable mistakes
I guess it makes sense to have a plan ready for every scenario. Trump has so many legal messes on his hands that even if he won, he might eventually have to resign.
lightpurple: Seriously?
Considering how much he has capitulated to Trump, it doesn’t surprise me that they think that spineless fool is a good choice to lead the nation.
They are? Maybe because they are now sure that the man will bend over and sacrifice his children to be allowed to do their bidding. It would be sweet relief for them after this tangerine nightmare.
Being intimately tied to the media (who enabled this whole shitstorm, and, for whom I have zero respect), I can’t avoid it.
I want to puke.
After watching the misinformation and editorialized nonsense that fills a 24/7 news cycle, I am glad I hung up my journalism hat years ago and went a different direction, career-wise.
I include both media misinformation and reality show impact in my blame list (as to what led to having a completely unqualified candidate make it this far). ZERO political experience, but he had a reality show.
I’ve felt like the last week of reporting in particular was concern trolling (Hillary could lose!) meant to make sure we the people tune in to their election coverage. I think a lot of news folks are concerned about ratings and being the break-out star of the election coverage.
Yeah, right, the FBI isn’t biased. They came out the other day saying the Russians were hacking and leaking just to mess with our democracy, not sway the election. Seriously? Are you kidding me? Is that what you call it when the DNC is hacked, but not the RNC? Is that what you call it when Hillary’s team is hacked and emails leaked, but not Trump’s motley crew? Is that what you call all the SOS wiki leak email dumps set to happen closer to the election to affect it?
It was blatantly an attempt to sway the election in Donald’s favor by an opposing country.
What I wanna know is, where are hackers when you really need them? Has NO hacker been able to get Trump’s tax returns? Are they all preoccupied? I’m not advocating criminal behavior but I’m wondering why there seems to be nobody motivated enough. I’m not even talking about anyone close to Clinton but isn’t there ONE person looking at this going “Yeah, I’m going to f*ck with you because I can.”
Right!? Whatever happened to Anonymous. There have to be some hackers that hate Trump.
Can’t hack paper files – not everything is on a computer.
The hackers are Russian and they are friends of Trumplethinskin.
Are you telling me the IRS puts nothing into some sort of digital system? They work exclusively on paper? No file is scanned? No information stored on a server?
NeoCleo, not every hacker in the world likes Russia.
Well, he would actually have had to complete and file returns
Not everything is on paper. That’s ridiculous.
Mother Jones reported that there is a private Trump server (in T Towers) linked to a bank in Russia with ongoing communications.
Surely, there are hackers on the side of truth and justice?
Of course, the MSM ignore it.
I’m thinking something could happen this weekend to the DUMP. Maybe someone is saving it up for the final nail in his coffin.
I truly don’t think he has a real chance, but just the way this latest email thing has pumped the Trumpers up makes me ill.
3 words….J. Edgar Hoover
Well said, Jayna!
This BS with the FBI is something my brain literally can’t handle until after the election is over. It is so disturbing but I simply don’t have enough rage to go around.
I just hope Comey’s career is DONE after this (that also means no paid gigs on Fox News or the inevitable Trump TV) and that HRC cleans house at the FBI.
I want him exposed and humiliated in public. Rip off his so called ‘integrity’. The damage he has done knowingly and willfully is immeasurable.
Only in this country can a white man who has never worked in government, hasn’t dedicated his life to helping others and who has never been elected to anything, be looked upon as qualified to be the President of the United States. It’s disgusting.
Not only in this country. Not only a white man. It’s happened elsewhere in history. What makes this so unusual and dumbfounding is that this country is not in crisis. Where did this hysteria come from? Teabaggers started this. I can’t believe, after 8 years of a black family in the White House, people are still basing their decision on racism, intolerance and misogyny. Because, that’s what it comes down to. I hope Obama and HRC don’t become blips in recent and near-future history… just one-offs. They have to become the norm.
Yes, the Tea Party indeed started this. They put no stock in actual experience. In fact they seem to find it a liability. Don’t even get me started on the havoc the Tea Partiers have wrought in my town’s local government. And the shenanigans they try to pull to get any progressive off any ballot. One lady tried to get a great candidate thrown off the ballot for using a binder clip instead of a staple for submitting her petitions. She failed but it was touch and go for while. It’s insane.
I feel like the country kind of is in crisis, from a social standpoint. The election of the first black president has pushed racial tension to the forefront, black people are being murdered, the list goes on. That’s crisis to me. And Donald Trump is a direct reaction to the election of Obama. Do you think he’d be running for president had he not gotten involved with politics through his nasty birther movement?
@LiterallyaShambles
There was no crisis/black man in the White House when the Teabaggers started. They manufactured a national crisis. All they wanted was to protect their assets and turn this country into a fundamentalist religious flat-earth white nation. But, they were fringe. I’m talking about what was going on before Obama. With Trump, the deplorables (with their herd mentality) are using Obama and HRC… to direct their vitriol to something tangible. Trump just seized on something he could use. He was about attention/press when he started the birther thing. He wasn’t particularly political. Trump throws everything at the wall and sees what sticks. These people fomented themselves into a frenzy, and, it’s the mob mentality. I’m not dismissing the racism/anti-semitism/misogyny that was always there. I’m just saying that that was not what initiated this movement. IMO
It definitely ramped up after Obama was elected. Apparently there was more latent racism than anyone knew and that was the straw that broke the camel’s back and emboldened the “Tea Partiers.”
They were there all along but could NOT abide a black man running
“their” (🙄) country.
Today is the first time I really think I might start crying out of pure fear.
ETA: @LiterallyAShambles, I agree – if this isn’t a crisis, then WTF *does* qualify as one?!
@Lorelai
“It definitely ramped up after Obama was elected. Apparently there was more latent racism than anyone knew…”
I agree. What these deplorables don’t realize is that Trump/Pence wants to take the country back 50 years where, pretty much, ONLY RICH WHITE MEN profited. Everyone else was a second-class citizen, at best. Others, not even…Most of these idiots backing Trump are too damn stupid to understand that they’ll suffer along with most of the country if Trump wins.
@LinaLamont – sadly what is now obvious is that these deplorables will believe/rationalize anything Trump and buddies say. If elected he will immediately begin blaming his failures on everyone else so that these people will still think it’s the elites, immigrants, educated, minorities, women who are at fault.
We are screwed not because of Trump but because of us.
You’re forgetting (alleged)rapist, tax cheat, business thief and phony philanthropist.
Exactly. And so much sexism directed towards the most qualified candidate ever, Hillary!
Think Nazi Germany
Seriously. If Trump were a woman or a person of color, he wouldn’t have gotten ANYWHERE. Saw this quoted online yesterday, not sure where it originated: “The real story behind Trump’s rise to political relevance is a bunch of working-class white men who are still bitter that a black man rose to more prominence than they ever could, and will be damned if they allow a woman to do the same.”
@BubbaMagnet, sadly, I think that’s spot on.
Disgusting.
Agree. That’s the same thought process behind anti-Semitism…perpetrated and perpetuated by all races and ethnicities.
Yes, spot on. It’s that simple.
I’m thinking that in other countries you’d have to at least know ‘something’ about government. Be involved in the past at the grassroots level. Raised around politics. Successful in business. SOMETHING! But he comes from failed business ventures, bankruptcies, no political experience and zero understanding of geopolitics. At least in other countries, they have something, but not ‘none of the above’.
ITA. Plus he has no idea of how government works. Did he skip the civics class? And people are deifying him. Hello Italy. Hello Germany. Hello banana republics. Hello Russia.
Hello Italy??? Only the idiots who voted for Berlusconi could deify him. As an Italian with more braincells than two, I spite him and there are many others who do too.
He’s only praised by fascists and right-wing xenophobes, like his ilk in USA.
Actually isn’t that in fact the POINT of freedom and democracy — that anyone can run? That we are free to choose anyone ?
Look I’m not advocating for DT. I CANT STAND HIM. He’s everything that is wrong with our culture. (Him and the Kardashians, but I’ll try to stay on point.)
But I’m not advocating for HRC either . I CANT STAND HER. SHE’s everything wrong with with our government and professional politicians who long ago quit serving the people and served themselves instead.
Both are so ate up with hubris it makes me ill and nauseous,
Seriously — gun to my head — if I must vote one of those two…….I’d choose HRC and ask to keep the gun to shoot myself. It’s all bad. Really rally bad.
(I voted 3rd party holding my nose, And really — i have no stomach to be criticized for it, I haven’t criticized a single solitary soul for their vote and I won’t……because I believe in the democratic process. )
Simple stated……America was indeed founded with the promise that you can direct and change your own destiny, that anyone who is a citizen over the age of 35 can RUN for president. And that citizens over the age of 18 can participate in selecting same.
So “only in America” can this happen? Don’t know if I agree, but I do think It’s a beautiful precept theoretically. And theoretically I love it.
But not with these two. But I accept that is an evil byproduct of the whole thing.
What’s needed? A 3rd party with legitimacy and funding, More people involved sooner and locally.
And kindness in disgareement, And compromise along the way.
dirtymartini- Hillary is not everything wrong with our government. Not even close. Nor is she “ate up with hubris” — where the hell do you even get that??
Hillary has time and time again been shown by fact checkers to be one of the most honest politicians around. She has withstood a tremendous amount of vetting, having been investigated more than any politician of the current era. The fact that nothing has taken her down by now is indicative of just how little dirt is really there.
The real problem with our government isn’t lack of third party. It isn’t Hillary Clinton’s “corruption” either, nor the corruption that you say she represents.
The real problem with our government is partisan politics. This is what has allowed Trump to succeed, what keeps the right targeting Hillary even though their candidate is going to ruin our country. It’s also the misogyny of our politics, which has men essentially standing behind Trump simply because they don’t want a woman as president.
You can hold your nose and vote third party; that’s certainly your right. But by doing so, you play into exactly what the patriarchy of our government wants. They are counting on you to value ideals over common sense, and personal principles rather than what’s good for our nation.
Ultimately, your third party vote is political gesture which supports someone unqualified, which allow someone else even less qualified to succeed.
HRC is the only candidate capable of not taking our country right now. End of. Anyone who can’t see that is voting from the heart instead of the mind, which is not what our country needs.
Dirty Martini: Agreed.
Well that was the point. Our founding fathers didn’t intend for people to be life long politicians in an ever growing federal government . The intention was for people to take their turn and then go back to the farm or family business or whatever.
Not an American here and I’m really worried about your polls. I don’t particulary like Hillary Clinton but Drump is not even qualified to run a 20 hab town. How can people even think in voting for him? We have a former CEO as president in my country. In his defense, he was a city major before running for president but still he has proven time after time that he doesn’t know what he ‘s doing. Being said that, he has more offshore accounts that fingers in both my hands and the media is covering his back. The moral? CEOs don’t make good politicians.
That’s another big problem with Dumpster. He has no experience so he will lean heavily on his advisors and they are all psychopaths. I cannot the ideas that will be coming if he wins. People are going to be screwed and they don’t even see it.
Rocio, I am mortified to be an American right now. Please know that Trump supporters are *not* representative of most Americans or how we think. He is an embarrassment to most of us.
David Frum,a Republican, said today if Trump wins, we could see the end of our democracy: – he’d be a leader who thinks it’s acceptable to jail his opponents.
That Cubs post was super deep shade at Trump and his continuous negative comments about Chicago. Looking forward to the parade in war-zone Chicago. This is my sign that HRC is finally going to win.
I’m trying to look at it that way, too.
Almost forgot to say congrats on your Cubbies!
Trump is also a Cubs fan. But everyone knows how that city is a mess right now and needed this type of excitement. It was so awesome to see good news come out of a town where thousands have died this year unnecessarily. Go CUBS!
“thousands”? don’t believe anything Drumpf says.
Chicago is on track to have the highest number of homicides in two decades this year, but it’s no where near “thousands”. More like 730.
Thanks, Kitten, it was a crazy and magical season. Seeing it through the eyes of my uber-obsessed son was also pretty special. He believed in Theo Epstein from Day One when he arrived from Boston a few years ago.
And yes, Trump has spouted such garbage about Chicago. He clearly has never been out in the communities seeing what’s going on or ever bothering to talk to residents.
I’ve lived in Chicago for 6 years now (an Aussie originally) and Trump spouts complete garbage about this city. Yes, it does have issues, but the shootings are mainly confined to 4 neighbourhoods on the south and west sides. I walk around town at all hours of the day/night (especially after Stanley Cup wins!!) and have never had a problem. Like any big city in the world (and I’ve lived in over 10 countries), there are problem areas. If you stay aware, you’ll be fine. The argument about gun control and how Chicago is an example of how tough gun controls don’t work is complete sh*te when the guns pour in from Indiana, an hours drive south. And yay Cubs – very happy for that win!!!!
Indiana’s east of Illinois…
@Betsey – my bad! Like I said, I’m an Aussie and still don’t know where half the states are in the mid-west!
Chicago is a little north of the bottom of a great lake, so you have to drive both south and east to make it to Indiana. You go straight east and you’ll be in the water.
I can’t agree. The chemistry in my brain makes me crazy. These politicians just make me sick.
Im just happy i voted already and ill be at folly beach starting tomorrow through next thursday, completely disconnecting from the internet and bringing only a flip phone for emergencies. Im totally done with this election and i just want to move forward already either way it turns out.
Am a complete wreck. Feel decimated, and so helpless when I think of what the world will feel like if Trump wins. How could this be happening?
As a person who completely disagrees with my current president (not an American here) and his atrocious policies, you learnt to deal with it because of the sake of democracy. One can only hope for a better future with a better president. Hillary may win!
I never learnt to deal with Berlusconi. I left, easier.
Our problem is that our President can launch nuclear missiles in just a few minutes without consultation. This makes having a Donald Trump in the White House a whole different level of a problem. We have a lot of nuclear missiles….
Laura, me too. I’m nauseous. Hang in there. It’s just a few more days.
We can do it!
Nauseous and vertigo
Me again… anyway, I know some don’t like when Celebitchy talks politics, but to those people I say, don’t click on the political posts. That simple. But I am loving it because I have really learned a lot from all of you, especially the Bernie supporters. Any Morning Joe watchers? I am one, pretty much from 6 am until 6:45 to 7 am. I get that Joe Scarborough is a Republican. I respect that. But lately it has dawned on me that he really does not like the Clintons, and I wonder if it goes back to when he was in Congress. I don’t know, but I also realized about myself, that I think I was letting his views sort of skew my views regarding Hillary and the whole email stuff. I still think she used pretty poor judgement, and she has not handled this well at all. And if she had never done this, then game over, right? She could very likely have the House and the Senate. But we don’t know Republican secrets because there is no Democratic witch hunt of Republicans happening. The Republicans wanted to set Hillary up to lose and it is possible they may have sound a way. And Joe Scarborough can only talk about the emails, the emails, the emails. It is infuriating because oh yeah, in November Trump goes to court for a racketeering charge and then in December he goes to court over rape allegation. But, emails.
There’s something deeply personal about the relentless vindictiveness with which Republicans have gone after the Clintons for more than 30 years. What about the Clintons has been so deeply and personally threatening to the Republican “enterprise” of the past 30+ years? Is it their very centrism could siphon off Republican voters? WHAT IS IT, because all investigations have turned up nothing beyond politics as usual, and Bill’s philandering was a personal matter made political by Ken Starr. For whom the now-FBI director worked, by the way. On the failed Whitewater investigation. All this stuff goes back for years and has nothing to do with helping the American people or using American influence for the betterment of the world.
it’s because the Dems (and Bill C) DARED to take back the WH in 1992. GOP was just expecting (after 12 years of power) that they’d just continue that way. to add, HRC was NOT your typical first lady and offended a lot of traditionalists’ (read: misogynists) delicate sensibilities. they had a very specific idea of what a woman’s role was, and she WAS NOT it.
Hi Doofus. Thanks. I know, and yet I don’t know, y’know what I mean. In the long arc of history, it does appear that the modern (IE far-right) Republican apparatus felt emboldened under Reagan and saw the Clintons as aberrations. And the same with Obama. But the depth of hatred and vindictiveness is surreal. They’re not normal politicians doing normal politics if they can’t deal with the normal ‘changing of the guard’ of American politics. They’re obsessed fanatics. This is American fanaticism. No wonder we’re terrified.
I think we are seeing the latest fruits of the Southern Strategy that emerged when the Civil Rights movement started making gains with Brown vs. Board of Education, the Voting Rights Act and MLK’s plea for a coalition between working poor white and black people. From a labor history perspective, the U.S. ruling class has always had an interest in controlling the means of production and all profits. Creating and maintaining racial divisions keeps laboring people fragmented and politically weak. In economic terms, it hasn’t been that long since unpaid slave labor generated the massive capital needed to skyrocket a small, agrarian British colony into the largest economy in the world. And it’s no coincidence that we incarcerate so many African Americans and use their labor in the prison system (and in addition to municipal and state work, contract them to do cheap labor for corporations).
When the GOP continued this Southern Strategy (coded as “state’s rights”) by foisting Reagan on us with the “It’s Morning in America” propaganda, they believed they had crushed emerging resistance movements like socialism and feminism. Later, George H.W. Bush continued their strategy by playing on white racist fears to win his election with the infamous Willie Horton ad.
When Bill Clinton stormed onto the scene in the early 90s, the GOP could not believe their eyes. He went on the Arsenio Show, no less, and played the saxophone with the band! He reached out to unions and had a working attorney for a wife. This escalated their war against civil rights and progress, leading to what many feel was an election stolen from Democrat Al Gore. Now, to have had to deal with (obstruct) President Obama for eight years, the specter of Hillary Clinton and her expansive coalition tent is too much. Their goal is to utterly destroy her and the economic equality she opens the door to.
Adastra…wow! Thanks for reaching waaaay back into American history. I wish I’d been taught the economic history alongside the usual stuff…if more of us understood these forces we might be in better shape.
It does feel like the plantation owners and the wannabe plantation owners want “their” country back. I’ve said in this forum that the “gun rights” hysteria feels like the pleadings of outnumbered white masters afraid of slave uprisings. Donald Trump must feel like the ultimate landed property owner to many of them – representing the only group of Americans originally given voting rights.
@WhoAreThesePeople, I don’t know.
The level of hatred directed at the Clintons ever since I’ve been old enough to read has been outrageous and misplaced. They’re not perfect. Bill made some (personal…) mistakes while in office, no one will deny that. But the vitriol is misplaced and NEVERENDING. And it only makes me admire the Clintons more for persevering.
This country has spent decades, and MILLIONS of dollars investigating everything they can about Bill, Hillary, their foundation, the emails, and came up with NOTHING. When will the GOP let it go? Ever??
Hillary could be kicking back in a rocking chair right now, holding one of her grandchildren. But I truly believe she thinks she can better the world and wants to try, no matter how much BS they hurl at her.
Brilliant, adastraperaspera!
Morning Joe watcher, here. Joe was totally in the bag for Trump early on, and it seems to me he’s backed off quite a bit, but I haven’t heard him say who he’s planning to vote for in this election. Mika is open about her vote for HRC. Most of their guests seem to cancel out Joe’s obvious contempt for the Clintons, but I agree with you – his only argument against HRC seems to be the emails. But that’s his job – to present opposing views.
His job should be to present the facts, not “opposing views.” Sad commentary on the state of journalism.
Joe’s not a journalist. He’s a politician and a talking head. He may write op-ed pieces for print, but it’s still his right-wing opinions that got him that gig on MSNBC.
I can’t watch Morning Joe anymore. You are totally right. Joe cannot shut up about the emails. Emails. Emails. Emails. And Mika isn’t much better. She’s truly an idiot of the highest order. They had a round table discussion a few days ago about Comey’s decision to send that letter to House Republicans and she completely missed the point people like Harold Ford Jr were making. I think she’s been influenced by Joe (I guess they’re dating now) but she’s not the sharpest tool in the shed anyway.
I think the hate for the Clintons is due to a number of things: Bill was a threat because he’s a smart charismatic Southern baby boomer who could pull away from the GOP base of support. Hillary has always rubbed people the wrong way. She seemed too ambitious, too controlling, not warm enough, too aggressive, etc. There is also some truth to the Clinton’s being a little vulgar and borderline shady with rules. They push it to the line. But the idea HILLARY IS THE MOST CORRUPT POLITICIAN EVER is absurd and moronic. I also think there is definitely a perception among the GOP that the Clintons get away with stuff that a Republican would fry over. They resent that alot. But I think they’re wrong. The difference is that Bill never presented himself as morally superior whereas many of these Republicans brought down by sex scandals have. People hate hypocrites more than sinners. Look at what happened to Elliot Spitzer. He was a Democrat and he went down in flames for his sex scandal and I think a big reason he couldn’t weather that scandal is because he presented himself as a moral crusader before that. Anyway Joe is one of those whiny Republicans who gets his panties in a twist over Hillary saying there was a “right wing conspiracy” against her. He thinks the Clintons shadiness is the problem. I think both are true. The Clintons do play it too close to the line but the right wing *has* been frothing at the mouth attacking her for 30 years as well. The fact they have never been able to find anything substantial to pin against her says everything to me.
This is great analysis. Thank you. Regarding Mika, she kills me because she makes millions promoting something to women called “Know Your Value,” yet all she does is sit at a desk and let some man talk down to her and then over her. Some freaking value. I wish Harold Ford Jr would replace Joe and Nicole Wallace would replace Mika. Morning Harold. Or, I am down with Morning Nicole. Either one. Mika has this really perplexed confused look on her face every single morning.
Thanks @Rhiley. Gosh I agree, Mika is such a disappointment. Joe talks down to and belittles her almost as much as Steve Doocy did Gretchen Carlson on FOX & Friends. I agree that MSNBC should change that line up because right now Joe is dominating the show. Nicole Wallace is a great choice. I’d love to see Joy Reid do it too but she has her own show.
Another issue about “scandals”. Republicans make a big deal about how when their scandals are revealed, they “do the right thing and resign” and democtats don’t. BUT by resigning like that, they never face the consequences for their actions: they don’t get censured or impeached and they NEVER face the voters. Just some examples from MA: Ted Kennedy considered resigning after Chappaquidick but went on local television and asked his constituents what they wanted. They wanted him to stay. If he had resigned, we wouldn’t have the ACA or FMLA or many other provisions that affect us daily and Robert Bork would be a Supreme Court justice. Gerry Studds and Barney Frank also took their punishments and faced the voters. Republicans run and hide.
“the right wing *has* been frothing at the mouth attacking her for 30 years as well. The fact they have never been able to find anything substantial to pin against her says everything to me.”
I agree!
I normally watch Morning Joe but not the last month because Joe is foaming at the mouth.
@Rhiley I couldn’t agree more. When I first saw that CB was covering political stories I was less than thrilled because I come to sites like this to escape all of that BS. But the commentary here is second to none, and it has been a sanctuary these past few (awful, awful) days.
Look into Joe Scarborough’s congressional history. He was elected right as ol’ Newt was bloviating about the Contract with America, and Scarborough (from my hometown, alas) was one of that congressional class’ wunderkids.
I know it’s likely foolhardy but I keep hoping Hillary support is under-reported in some of this polling. Many people in the media have assumed the opposite, i.e., that Trump support is under-reported. But I think they are wrong. Trump supporters are loud and proud from what I can see. Even though Trump is repulsive to most of us sane Americans, his followers are extremely enthusiastic. But enthusiasm doesn’t necessarily translate into volume.
Hillary supporters on the other hand seem more subdued. Many seem almost afraid to share their thoughts. After all, we get attacked all over the internet by the left, the right, from run of the mill internet trolls ,etc. Just look at the trolls A & itdoesmatter above.
I guess we’ll see on Nov 8th. My guess is she’ll squeak it out but the GOP will hold on to the House and Senate unfortunately. I think she’ll be more effective than people give her credit for though. She worked well with Senators from the other side of the aisle. The House is full of loony teaparty types though. That will be a challenge.
I don’t know. I imagine more closet Trump supporters than Hillary ones. But I could be wrong, it is crazy how many people aren’t showing their allegiance visibly or vocally. We have the fewest lawns signs in our town than we’ve had in ages.
it’s weird…I’m seeing a LOT of signs for local races, but only one or two for the Prez candidates. used to see a LOT more Drumpf ones…not sure if people changed their minds/are embarrassed to have the sign up or if they’ve been stolen.
I know most people think it’s the opposite @Esmom. Perhaps it’s because I live in the South that I have this perception In reliably blue areas it’s anathema to admit you’re voting for Trump whereas it’s anathema in reliably red places to admit you’re voting for Clinton. I definitely think Trump has won social media and alot of the internet though. Trump people have twitter locked down, youtube commenting, article comments, etc.
@Keaton – it’s easy to have the internet locked down when you have the Kremlin lending a hand, seriously. There is no way we normal people can compete with that in terms of numbers.
@Esmom, “I imagine more closet Trump supporters than Hillary ones. But I could be wrong, it is crazy how many people aren’t showing their allegiance visibly or vocally.”
This is what I think as well. I believe Trump does still stand a good chance of winning and that the polls are unreliable because I believe he has many supporters who are claiming to be “undecided” but really intend to vote for him.
I’ve been driving around the 100-mile radius of my town (which covers four states) and notice more prez race signs in the less populated areas. The larger towns have hardly any displayed.
I totally agree @Betsy. I’ve wondered for a while if paid shills are behind some of the Trump twitters so Samantha Bee’s report isn’t a huge shock. I think all the pro Trump crap on the internet does a good job of quieting Clinton supporters. But does it actually change hearts and minds? I don’t know. I sure hope not. I hope it emboldens people to get out the vote. It has for me.
@Keaton – I don’t think all the pro-Trump shills have changed anything. Look back at the Democratic Primary: if we were going solely on social media, rally attendance, and general excitement, Bernie looked like a shoe in. But I’ve been #withher since 2008, and I remember getting shout talked at for not being for Obama in the primary, so I kept quiet.
I think the Hillary supporters are adults in this election. They’ve made up their minds, they’re going to vote, and that’s that. They know there’s no point in getting excited, just get out there and vote your conscience. So much talk about secret Trump voters. Sure. Maybe. But I think it’s more likely that there are millions of quiet Clinton voters.
Keaton… I will be voting for trump and I am not loud or proud about it. I dislike him about 10 percent less than Hillary. I think there are a lot of people voting for him that aren’t excited about it. There is no way I would put his sign in my yard.
So you’re voting for based on disliking him less than the other candidate?
If your personal feelings matter more to you than the possibility of nuclear warfare, pulling out of climate-change accords, the makeup of the Supreme Court, and American democracy … well, you don’t dislike him less. You support his views, and those of the Ku Klux Klan and other White Supremacy groups as well.
Interesting @Lulu. I just read your comment below. I think you should seriously reconsider your vote for Trump. Hillary is much better for small business than she gets credit for. Trump may have the perception of being good for small business owners but he hasn’t offered anything close to a substantive plan. These are very important issues to me as well. Unlike some people here I am fiscally very conservative. I think you should give Hillary a 2nd look if that is your main reason for supporting Trump. My family is very socially and fiscally conservative and they aren’t voting for Trump either. His incompetence and bullying (especially of the disabled) have turned them off. They are all voting 3rd party though because they can’t support Hillary due to social issues. Truthfully Trump is a fail on pretty much all issues. He’s not a conservative or a liberal. He’s an authoritarian nationalist. Noone should vote for this guy unless you are part of the Klan.
to add to what Keaton said, Drumpf has spent his entire business career STIFFING small businesses, and suing them into either a much smaller amount than they’re owed or straight up bankruptcy. he IS NOT for the “small guy”.
but yeah, focus on “not liking” someone because that’s so much more important than preventing a think-skinned bully from having access to nukes.
@Lalu, thank you for posting. Truly. That is the one thing missing from the conversations here – a thoughtful, opposing viewpoint.
I agree with the other commenters who advised you to look more closely at HRC’s record as I think you would be pleasantly surprised, but regardless, it was brave of you to post here and I appreciate it.
It is nice to be able to have a civil discussion with someone (quite obviously educated) about their reasons for voting for Trump.
I hope you change your mind before Tuesday, but sincerely thank you for posting.
Lora…. Thank you. I really appreciate your comment and you are smart! I would be a lot more likely the rethink my position when someone is respectful like you. Because I am just a regular person… I am not a nut. Thank you again. We can disagree and be civil.
My brother-in-law is a small business owner and life-long Republican. He and my sister live in NH and make a point to meet most of the candidates. In 2008, my sister dragged him, under protest, to a town hall meeting with Hillary where he asked a question about her plan for small businesses, she gave him a well-considered answer that conveyed to him that she knew more about small business challenges than he expected, but then, after the program part was over, Hillary sought him out and asked him questions about his business and then explained how her policies would help him directly. On Tuesday, he will vote democrat for the first and probably only time in his life.
Lalu, If I really really felt I couldn’t vote for Hillary Clinton, I would either vote third party or abstain. By voting for Trump, you are aligning yourself with bigots, racists and misoginists. With bullying and lies. With incitement and threats of violence. With the KKK. Please don’t do that.
I keep thinking … Brexit. I don’t think I can adequately describ the shock Europe was in that morning. Nobody thought it would really happen and the polls said the same. I’m just saying, it could go either way.
I hope Trump voters reconsider and, well, come to their senses. I have no clue why any human being could support such a vile dirtbag because leaving aside his, how should I put this, flawed personality, he has no plan. No policy laid out. He’s not building a wall, that much is clear. So what is left? Why would anyone vote for a shady dirtbag without a plan? I mean in that case, I could do it. Vote for me. At least I won’t grab anyone without consent.
He’s laid out his policies just fine. They include pulling out of international climate-change treaties, weakening US support for NATO and allowing Russia greater “freedom” on the world stage, appointing far-right judges (like Scalia) to the US Supreme Court, allowing Congress to repeal the Affordable Care Act, slashing taxes on corporations and the rich (thus starving the social safety net, threatening Social Security and more), encouraging the reversal of Roe v Wade and federally guaranteed abortion rights/criminalizing abortion, mass-deportation of undocumented immigrants, strangling the free press, and more.
People voting for him support these policies, as well as violence toward and intensified discrimination against women, African Americans, Muslims, Jews, the disabled, journalists, and more.
Just so they know.
Well, I was really pissed that the republicans let the guy hi jack the party… And I am beyond tired of their non sense too.
However they are a tiny bit more pro business than the dems. A little less pro tax than the dems. Those are issues for my family.
I am aware that both parties are dispicable and running our country into the ground. This is where we are. But until we can get a viable libertarian candidate… What can you do?
That’s it, it’s down to taxes. Got it. The libertarians will never succeed in the USA, so you’re going to have to pick between an extremist who will plunge the country into another recession or the centrist who will support your business endeavors just fine.
Lalu, you can vote HRC. Because whoever told you she’s less pro-business than Trump was full of it. He’s pro-himself, not pro-business. But let’s look at the tax issue. I assume that you and your family own a business, at least that’s what I read between the lines. Businesses depend on two things that Trump/Republicans will take away by cutting taxes: educated/qualified emloyees and a functioning infrastructure. Taxes aren’t the devil, they’re necessary. Unless you want to pave our own roads.
But I see where this is going. Same as with people who vote Stein. It’s not about the society/country you live in but about you. Can’t even argue with that. But I can judge the sh*t out of it.
@Who ARE These People?: Half of those things he won’t be able to do. How do you deport millions of people after cutting taxes for example? That costs money and he won’t take it from the militay, that’s for damn sure.
Keaton… I really appreciate your civilized comments and the information. That goes a long way with me.
Miss naughty… Same thing. Except, I want to be clear.., I have no problem paying taxes. And I am aware of why we need to pay taxes. My husband has a small business that employs a lot of people. He went without a check for a long time while I supported us. The taxes he pays are not fair and are ridiculous. He works all the time. Everyone should do their fair share. I would move to Europe if I wanted to live in socialism.
“Everyone should do their fair share.”
so….you’re going to give your vote to a person who DOESN’T pay “their fair share”…in fact, a person who pays NO taxes at all?… and who wants to put the burden of paying the “fair share” solely on lower/middle class while he cuts taxes for the 1%?
Lalu, you had me until “Europe” and “socialism”. I live in Germany. No part of Germany or Europe has been socialist since the demise of the GDR. It’s been 26 years, let’s move on. There is nothing socialist about any EU country and if you disagree, I’d like to point you in the direction of Wikipedia. Because I think you’re mistaking social for socialist.
Little Miss Naughty thanks for making that point about socialism. I live in Canada and too often hear we have “socialism” because of the health-care system. Social democracy is very different from socialism. Canada’s economy is capitalist as they come but we have a somewhat more collectivist society (any public speech must include 3 references to “community,” or at least it feels like it) and a slightly stronger social safety net.
Yes, as an American who stayed up all night watching the Brexit results roll in with my jaw on the floor, that absolutely contributes to the fear I’m feeling now.
Now that prices are rising in the UK and their holidays abroad will be even more expensive, lots of Brits now have reason enough to their vote (or neglecting to vote). They had no idea this was coming and just vote out because of anger or wanting fewer immigrants.
And that’s before jobs disappear because of companies planning to leave to the mainland.
@Lalu, in my lifetime, my state has had mostly Republican governors. They haven’t cut my taxes. In fact, Romney increased fees for all state services and slapped fees where there had never been fees before. Our current Republican governor is not cutting my taxes or those fees but he is slashing services to the elderly- the types of services that keep them out of nursing homes and off Medicaid. The Republican congress has put forth no tax proposals that are friendly too me and Trump’a proposals aren’t friendly either
She is GOING TO GET IMPEACHED IF ELECTED. What do you not see about this?!
I want to see a female president in my lifetime just like the rest of you. But, come on, she is going to be an absolute disaster.
I’m voting stein 😉
Impeached for what?
Impeached for what, exactly?
Stein hasn’t even been able to get elected in her own home town. You’re throwing away your vote on a perhaps-nice but very poorly informed candidate who won’t even get the 5% needed to give her party a base.
If you really support the Green party, try to get elected to your town or city’s school board or council and encourage like-minded voters to do the same. And do vote 2 years from now.
Otherwise you’re really a Trump voter and don’t want to admit it.
Actually, Jill Stein HAS managed to get elected in her hometown to the Lexington Town Meeting representative. She hasn’t been able to move beyond that, losing races for congressional representative, Secretary of the Commonwealth, and two gubernatorial races.
OK, ‘my bad’ (CR Tom Ford post)/I’m sorry I was wrong.
And you think Trump wouldn’t? He’s going in trial for rape as soon as the election is over. There’s a case for his impeachment already laid out. Stein will never win, and the only other option is Trump.
And, she’s not going to be impeached. Stick to The Blaze if that’s what you really think.
I’m not voting for her because she’s a female. And if she’s done so much stuff wrong, why isn’t she behind bars? Keep up the witch-hunt. Save yourself some time and don’t vote. A vote for jill Stein is as likely to get her elected as a vote for me. Not all women vote for a woman just because she’s a woman. Although i think most people voting for Trump are doing so simply out of hate for Hillary, which is stupid. They need to put aside their dislike of Hillary and vote for the most qualified candidate, not the most anti-establishment person they can find.
Saying women ‘only vote for Clinton because she’s a woman’ is the most hypocriticaly thing ever. Ever since the US was founded, men only wanted male presidents and made sure of that by not allowing women the vote for the majority of the its existence.
And you bet that even now lots of men shun and hate Hillary because she’s female.
“Millions of peaches. Peaches for me!” sung by The Presidents of the United States of America.
True story.
lolol
Oh, BTW, and if Hillary Clinton were to be impeached, which she won’t, the presidency would go to Tim Kaine, maybe? OK by me and I suspect OK by most Democratic voters. If a new election had to be held, he could run – and win – and so could other popular Democrats. The spectacle of another propped-up impeachment interfering with the running of the country would probably turn even more people against the Republicans. Why try to win the battle at the expense of the war?
If we go along with this impeach nonsense and look at the number 2 role, Kaine should bring far more comfort than the other choice. Funerals for miscarriages? Unbelievable.
@Christin – totally agree with you on the miscarriages. It amazes me that people don’t know what Pence is doing in Indiana, and that includes a good mate of mine that lives in Indiana, and to date has had 3 miscarriages that I’m aware of. She’s all in for Republicans, and it’s all Obama’s fault that she can’t get ahead financially…… I just can’t get my head around it.
Excellent point. Tim Kaine is well experienced, and seems pretty level headed. Pence is terrible on all accounts.
The GOP will of course go after Clinton, but as we’ve seen, she can take it. They’ve thrown everything at her for decades. I wouldn’t worry about her being impeached.
Why do you hate your country so much? I really want to know. All these third-party voters … yikes.
To me, they’re like spoiled children with very little knowledge of how this democracy works. It’s hard to have an adult dialogue with children.
I may have called someone a child on another post here yesterday. Because yes, I agree.
Sigh. My boyfriend.
He got all pissed at me yesterday for calling him a Bernie Bro so I started a new tactic of highlighting all the similarities in HRC and Bernie’s voting record and emphasizing how good it could be for Bernie if HRC wins.
It’s like we’re both super-lefty but he’s a lefty idealist and I’m a lefty realist. I keep feeling like I *almost* get through to him but I’m not quite there. I’ll just keep hammering away but it still bums me out that he wasted his vote on Stein.
Oh Kitten. I hope things settle down for you guys after the election. Or you meet another guy with all of this one’s charms and more of your realism.
@Kitten, I think you and your boyfriend need a political diversion on which you both can agree. Something like opposition to Baker’s privatization of the T and how it has resulted in incredibly filthy subway stations among other problems. You could take pictures of the trash on the steps coming out of State station every morning and email them to the Globe or something.
If Ryan impeachs her it will just be another shining, reeking example of self-proclaimed fiscal conservatives wasting millions of out tax dollars. The Senate won’t remove her
I think we just learned the troll talking point of the day “She’ll get impeached”
Sure Sure.
Sputnik?
Oh, for fucksake…at least, with Obama, they waited until he was elected.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-cornyn-hillary-clinton-impeachment_us_581b5c65e4b08f9841adc76d
Your election has my full attention and I’m amazed by how crazy it is. While in Australia we have such a smaller population at around 23 million, your population is much larger with a lot more a stake. While a smaller population doesn’t discredit the importance of our politics or issues, our smaller parties play a much more prominent part in our system. I’m a avid green supporter, while I dont think a Green Party or any small parties stand much of a chance in activism or implementing their ideologies in your system, however minor the change may be. I’m completely in support of Hillary, even though full neoliberalism ideologies aren’t really my beliefs, I do think that trump has stronger neoliberal roots and that Hillary has the best experience and qualities for the role as a leader. I too, am beyond nervous with the thought of trump in the position because as you may already be aware, he is a global joke. The ramifications of the out come in your elections will be felt globally, as your country hold a lot of power, sway and responsibilities in such things as the freedom of Navigations program. Anyway, I’m thinking of you my American CB’s and following closely. I imagine wine sales will be on the rise in the next coming week xxoo
This^^ thank you
Also, can I just add that commenters with a different opinion than yours aren’t “trolls?” How juvenile.
That’s exactly what Sasha said when we pointed out that people like you guys only come to spout ‘opinions’ based on blowhard rhetoric and zero facts, without backing it up at all because any time someone tries to debate with you you take it personally.
You guys could make it less obvious that you’re the same person commenting under a bunch of different screen names.
You’re trolling because this site is very obviously Pro HRC and you know what you’re getting. So you’re just trying to start shit.
Shambles… Do you really think people are trolling because they give a different opinion than yours and because this is a very pro Hillary site? I comment on other things here too… I usually don’t even read the political stuff here because I don’t like such one sided talk. Does it really bother you that someone thinks differently?
I don’t think it’s because your opinions differ, it’s about what you’re actually saying.
(and by “you” I mean in the collective sense, not you personally)
If you’re just here to drop unfounded one-liners that HRC is a “crook” or that she will be impeached or other completely baseless, incendiary remarks that offer nothing in terms of political discourse, you’ll get called out as a troll.
Then you guys get all butthurt when people engage and provide concrete facts about why your one-liner is reasonless and unsubstantiated.
It’s a pretty predictable pattern of trolling and the solution is really simple: if you want to engage in political discourse then BRING IT–come armed with facts and be prepared to defend yourself.
But don’t just pop in here with some inflammatory malevolent BS and expect to be greeted with warm smiles and hugs.
Kitten said it better than I could. I’m so done with this sh-t that it’s hard for me to articulate my thoughts in an intelligent way. Like she said, you don’t get to drop in with some baseless, fact-less inflammatory bullsh-t and expect to be praised.
“Does it really bother you when people think differently than you?”
Of course not. That’s ridiculous. I think discourse is the basis of a rich and free society.
However, in this case, yes. It bothers me when people don’t support the only presidential candidate that has the power to keep Donald F*cking Trump away from the nuclear codes. That’s a pretty legitimate thing to be bothered by.
However, I will defend someone’s right to their opinion til the sun goes down. At the same time, coming on to this site just to spout the same tired anti Hillary rhetoric with no actual facts or supporting arguments doesn’t even count as an opinion to me. It’s just shouting a line you were told to shout.
I’ll just leave this amazing Seth Meyers quote here:
“It’s] a problem for a lot of Americans. They just don’t love the two choices. I mean, do you pick someone who’s under federal investigation for using a private email server, or do you pick someone who called Mexicans rapists; claimed the president was born in Kenya; proposed banning an entire religion from entering the U.S.; mocked a disabled reporter; said John McCain wasn’t a war hero because he was captured; attacked the parents of a fallen soldier; bragged about committing sexual assault; was accused by 12 women of committing sexual assault [and] said some of those women weren’t attractive enough for him to sexually assault; said more countries should get nukes; said he would force the military to commit war crimes; said a judge was biased because his parents were Mexicans; said women should be punished for having abortions; incited violence at his rallies; called global warming a hoax perpetrated by the Chinese; called for his opponent to be jailed; declared bankruptcy six times; bragged about not paying income taxes; stiffed his contractors and employees; lost $1 billion in one year; scammed customers with his fake university; bought a six-foot tall painting of himself with money from his fake foundation; has a trial for fraud coming up in November; insulted an opponent’s looks; insulted an opponent’s wife’s looks; and bragged about grabbing women by the p—y?”
Shamby-Thank you for sharing that Seth Meyers quote. PERFECTION.
And yes to everything else you said. So tired of commenters coming in here to shame people for passionately expressing themselves.
Kitten and Shambles, I love you nasty women.
@Lalu I just saw this comment and was about to name you as an example of a poster with a different opinion but who is decidedly *not* a troll.
IMO, trolls drop in and leave short, useless comments like “Hillary will be behind bars soon!” or “Hillary is a crook!” and then disappear. THOSE are trolls.
You are a regular poster who actually gave your reasons and showed you were interested in a dialogue. Completely different.
I even noticed during the last presidental elections, some people suddenly started posting conservative stuff on political articles here, who had never posted here before.
So yeah, some are definitely not here because they like this site so much.
Exactly. There are maybè three posters here that don’t like Hillary… It doesn’t mean troll. I know a lot of people that genuinely believe the Clinton’s are crooks. Everyone has their own opinion.
I do have a question about the crooks argument. What exactly do people who keep saying that think Trump is??? That’s like saying I don’t like someone because they use cheap self-tanner but The Donald is cool. What? I don’t get it.
But that doesn’t make their opinion valid, and in most cases when it comes to the Clintons, their opinions are more founded in invented right wing tales. Seriously. Have you looked up “Judicial Watch”? They’re basically the people who invented most of the 1990s Clinton scandals, and people still quote their stuff like it’s factual!
Take for another example the Republicans vs. the Democrats on the economy. If you believe the Republican line, you’d think they were fiscally conservative and good stewards of the economy. Why then does the economy always do better under Democrats? Why are taxes more equitable under Democrats? Why does the deficit go nuts under Republicans? People can have their opinions; it doesn’t make them right.
Don’t drink. Stay alert and focused! The country and our democracy need you! Practical measures to get through the next few days:
1. Make calls to voters and/or texts to younger voters to get them to the polls. Work through the website of the campaign of your choice. You can even do this from outside the country. US citizens can donate from outside the country, too.
2. Continue to increase voter registration in states that allow registration on Election Day.
Those states are: Colorado, Connecticut, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Wyoming. No registration is required in North Dakota. You can find voter information at the League of Women Voters’ http://www.vote411.org
3. If you have $$$ to share, the following tight races could really use your support: Maggie Hassan (Dem) for Senate, New Hampshire; Catherine Cortez Mastro (Dem) for Senate, Nevada; Katie McGinty (Dem) for Senate, Pennsylvania; Deborah Ross (Dem) for Senate, North Carolina. Websites make it easy to donate. Note that each individual vote goes further in smaller/less populous states. Also note that all these candidates are women.
4. The NAACP Legal Defense Fund has had to mount lawsuit after lawsuit to fight relentless voter suppression and gerrymandering in the battleground state of North Carolina. Seriously, it’s a mini Civil War in the Tarheel State. These lawsuits are costly and while they have won many battles, there is still more going on right through election day with unlawful voter suppression. They are online and deserve our support. You can earmark donations to Voting Rights. North Carolina is a crucial state in this election.
5. Volunteer to help people get to the polls. People disenfranchised by time and transportation, both of which interplay with a reduction in polling places, include the elderly, poor and disabled. Guess how they tend to vote? It’s one worthwhile day of meeting nice, grateful people who have one simple desire: to take part in democracy. I’ve done it myself.
Those are my suggestions, and we’ve put our time and money where our mouths are, or something like that. Above all: Vote!
Bravo!
Thank you for this! Do you know how you find how to volunteer to get people to the polls in your neighborhood. I took the day off work so would like to be useful and not start drinking and obsessively watching the news as soon as I’ve voted.
Call the party of your choice or the local candidate of your choice. For example, the campaign office of your congressional representative if one is on the ballot.
Also try: https://www.democrats.org/ and especially https://www.democrats.org/page/volunteer-for-democrats
(sorry for assuming you will vote Democratic; you can as easily work through their opponents)
A little Googling should get you started quickly.
You can also sharing voting information: http://www.vote411.org/
and other links.
Good luck and have fun!
Thank you! Oh and you assumed correctly! #imwithher
Thank you for posting all this.
I meant to donate to the NAACP Legal defense fund yesterday, and got side tracked. Off to do that right now. Voter suppression and intimidation is so horrible.
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This is all I’ve got left.
You are amazing!
Who ARE These People?:
Thank you!
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Emails emails emails. After this, all US politicians should just write ‘please see me’ in all their emails.
The national polls don’t deserve this much attention. What matters more is the state polls, especially those that are using better methodologies and those show a good lead for Hillary. NYT said that HRC leads by at least 6 points in a group of states that would give her nearly all of her electoral votes. In four other states that give her at least 59 electoral votes, she still leads.
I’m optimistic that Trump has pissed enough women, millennials and minorities off to not get the required votes.
I have never been polled and I’m in that category that supposedly supports trump – older, white, female. No!! I’ve always voted for the most liberal candidate, always will. This time around I supported Bernie in the primaries, but I’m not throwing my vote away, so it’s HRC for me.
Me too! I’ve been a registered voter for 45 years and no one has ever polled me! I’m currently a registered independent and voted HRC and a straight Democratic ticket all the way last week. The Republicans have some serious soul-searching to do if they want their party to be taken seriously by any woman with a brain.
I’ve been polled a lot, nationally and state elections. Some pollsters will send you results after you request them, some are jokes and some ask you questions like your life depends on it. Love participating them. After I was polled once, it seemed I got more calls also a heavy voter, rarely miss an election.
I’ve voted every time since 1968 – primary, general, local, state, national and still never polled.
I still have a landline, so I occasionally get polled, and I’m in a state that always goes blue for POTUS (though I’m in a red county, ugh). I only got called once this election about Clinton vs. Trump.
Yes, but if those who are pissed off do not also get out and vote, we’ve got trouble. GET OUT AND VOTE, EVERYONE!
Agreed!! If you don’t want Trump in the White House, get out and vote, not only for your president, but also for your congressional representatives, many of whom need to be replaced because they refuse to do the business of governing. #FlipTheSenate
A Clinton win is by no means guaranteed and if it we thought it was, wouldn’t it be better to completely trounce the GOP for their support of such a vile candidate??
I do think that Trump has pissed off so many more people than Clinton has that the polls aren’t reflecting the sentiment across the nation. We need to show on Nov 8th just how unpopular he really is.
Watching from the Caribbean in absolute shock and horror while preparing for a global apocalypse. The Doomsday Preppers don’t seem so crazy now.
I already voted. GO TRUMP!
Apparently, one of your fellow voters.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mississippi-church-burned-vandalized-trump_us_5819ef95e4b01f610e393372?ncid=engmodushpmg00000004
@SusanneToo…that article…I couldn’t even read it. I saw the headline & top photo and immediately peaced out.
Those poor people. My nerves are in tatters.
but the good news is that a GoFundMe account has already raised over $150,000 for repair-rebuild.
I have been attacked twice by what I presume to be foreign state actors but they could be alt-right basement guys. (And I have a private Twitter account.) What is the top lawn enforcement doing in this country but slapping on makeup 4 Fox news?
How did Hillary get so rich being in public service for 30 years? I will never understand how someone like that can be a millionaire. You know the S.O.S. and Senators don’t make that much money…kinda funny.
Book deals, speaking fees
You posted GO TRUMP, right? Would you like to learn more about how the actual system works?
First, it doesn’t take that much to acquire $1 million in assets if you work your way toward a law degree from Yale University. She did work as a lawyer for a while, albeit mostly in public-interest law. She’s nearly 70 and any professionals who reach 70 without at least $1M in assets have done something wrong.
Second, she was a best-selling author with works on the child and family rights (“It Takes a Village”) and her own memoirs.
All you are doing is insinuating that her wealth was acquired by “shady” or “corrupt” means and you have nothing to base that on. Nor do any other Trump supporters or other Republicans. These words have been thrown at the Clintons since the 1990s and nothing has ever been substantiated. The Republicans are simply mad that they couldn’t stay in power after Reagan and that Clinton ran a campaign that siphoned off centrist Republican votes (for which the Left never forgave him). Otherwise, your comments smacks of sexism because of its disbelief that a prominent woman cannot make money on her own, ethically and legally. She can, she will, she did: Good for her. And as a feminist, she could soon be in a position to help other women climb out of poverty by shoring up the educational, medical and social programs that benefit women most. Let’s hope so.
Third, she was married to a popular 2-term president. He himself was an author. She, as former Secretary of State, was a sought-after public speaker. Public speakers are given very good fees, it’s true. If you or I could command those fees, we would take them.
Fourth, maybe they did well with real estate, who knows?
So because I said Go Trump, I’m not allowed to ask how Hillary made so much money? I listen to all the questions you guys have about Trump; and even consider all the points you guys make every day. I don’t know why people have to be so harsh about this election. We all still have to live together after this is over.
The poster is not bring sexist because they believe Hillary is shady. Come on.
Lots of people think the clintons are shady.
You can disagree with something and not be a mysogynist racist etc.
It’s fine to ask questions and it’s fine to have beliefs, but we’re discussing the qualifications of presidential candidates here so it’s important to bring actual evidence to light. I’m not arguing about opinions; I’m arguing about evidence. You can “disagree” with opinions all day but not “disagree” about facts.
Stating the Clintons are “shady” is a 30-year-old Republican talking point that has never been substantiated; however, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that Donald Trump has lied and cheated and discriminated and exhibited criminal/amoral behavior for decades.
If you want to learn how Hillary Clinton made her money, look at her tax returns. She’s made them public for decades.
“So because I said Go Trump, I’m not allowed to ask how Hillary made so much money?”
no, it’s because you insinuated that she didn’t make it in a legal/non-shady way. and, if you had done even the smallest amount of research, you would have been able to figure out how she DID make it. but you’d rather throw out baseless insinuations. to add, as Who Are said, you can check out HRC’s tax returns. can’t say the same for the orange troll you voted for.
@Elise, Who ARE These People? never said you could not ask the question. She merely replied to it.
Why do conservatives so often act as if their freedom to an opinion is attacked whenever someone gives them a different opinion?
How does any politician become wealthy? Honey, they are all wealthy.
She is a successful lawyer, married a two term president, wrote a best selling book, worked in some pretty high profile positions (Senator! Secretary of State!), is a very in-demand speaker, etc. I’d be surprised if she was not wealthy.
Yeh… This is how I feel. These people are lining their pockets and everyone is “they have experience”.
I would happily vote for someone that actually worked for a living and was running because they actually care about our country.
Too bad most people don’t care about getting a decent, hard working person in the office.
I can’t believe our choices.
She DID actually work for a living. She was a partner in a law firm. I am really tired of people claiming that the work I do for a living is not work.
Does this suggest that Donald Trump was a decent, hard-working person?
The son of a rich man, who took his daddy’s money and ran nearly all his businesses into the ground? Who is about to be grilled in a federal lawsuit for grifting actual decent,hard-working people out of money for his so-called “Trump University?”
As for decency … not even gonna try. He is probably the least decent candidate for president ever.
I guess I’m not surprised that you wouldn’t know that she was a lawyer for many years because it doesn’t seem like you know much about HRC beyond the baseless GOP talking points that have been floating around for decades now.
Do you just assume every wealthy person achieved their wealth through “shady dealings” or just HRC?
Either way, what a bleak outlook. I work with investment advisors and believe me, there are plenty of ways to maximize your bank account through various investment vehicles.
she HAS worked for a living, and has dedicated a LOT of her time to public service, which would indicate…yeah, she DOES care about the country. unlike Drumpf, who only cares how he can make a buck off of people. and has never “worked for a living”, unless you count losing money as “working”.
you know if he had just sat on the money he inherited, and left it in interest bearing accounts, he’d have MORE than he does now, after all of his AMAZING TREMENDOUS dealings? that means that he’s NOT a good businessman. though, all you have to do is look at all of his failed businesses.
Why does it matter? What do you think she is doing, a leader of a cartel, won the lottery, blackmailing Putin, what is her big secret please tell us?
She’s been taking money from Saudi Arabia-Who murders homosexuals and treats women like the scum of the earth. But sure, she’s gotten all that money from selling books LOL
Many non profit organizations in the United States and elsewhere take donations from Saudi Arabia, because the money can be used to do a lot of good. Is it somehow tainted by coming from Saudi Arabia? Maybe, but once they release the funds the money is money and can do a lot of good.
The Clinton Foundation is very highly rated by charity watchdogs. Just because they are successful at raising money for good causes doesn’t mean the Clinton’s are dipping in for their personal gain.
And yes, successful ex Presidents and ex Secretaries of State can do very well with their books. Would you like to look at their publicly available tax returns and see how?
In addition to what WATP said, The Clinton Foundation is a PUBLIC foundation, with 90% of its contributions going to charity. As a public foundation, the donors are essentially allowed to direct where the money goes, the charity just implements it. On the other side, we have the Trump Foundation, a private charity that effectively works as an extension of Trump’s private bank account, allowing him to use other people’s money to buy life-size portraitures of himself for his various venues.
Shawnique conspiracy theory isn’t fact, Alex Jones or Breitbart aren’t legitimate sources. Yes Saudi Arabia donated money to the Clinton foundation but it was a donation to their charity not personally to her. Foreign nations are allowed to send donations if that charity accepts them. Where is the evidence of where she took those millions and made herself is a millionaire with Saudi funds and put them into her bank account? Also are you confusing non-profit financial ethics (what they decide to take in donations) with actual misuse of funds?….because the two are very different. Please list factual evidence of where she takes that money and rewards herself through her personal bank account. Oh and wake me up when Trumps own charity is reopened because it was closed down in NY for not properly certifying itself and misusing funds.
and let’s not forget that the Drumpf campaign was ACTIVELY SOLICITING donations from foreign governments and foreign officials. which is ILLEGAL.
I will never understand how a man with 6 bankruptcies is a millionaire.
Inheritance and trust funds. I’ll never understand how a man with 6 bankruptcies is considered a good businessman.
Well I know how they didn’t get it. By inheriting it from a rich daddy.
This whole thing is making me want to heave. Everytime I look at the headlines I feel like I have just been stabbed. Six. More. Days. Can I sue the Republican party for emotional damages?
I think Hillary will win, but for the life of me I do not understand how it can even be close. My faith in humanity is deeply shaken.
I agree and am baffled. This Trump thing feels more like a cult than political party. He doesn’t mind lying and turning people against one another to stir up the emotions and it works. I actually heard one voter say he is an “imperfect man” who has come at the right time to “set things right” in America. Many of his voters know someone or are someone who were in manufacturing and lost their job and are angry. Most have children already indoctrinated into guns. Most have a grave distrust of government. Most, after seeing the ad that uses Trump’s own words to degrade women, blame the “crooked” media for highlighting it. The world has turned upside down. It is sickening. We should be afraid. Hitler wasn’t Hitler in the beginning. He was a man with a certain charm. He could draw a crowd and grow hate and fear.
That’s because it is a cult, a cult of fanatics, and the rest is Republicans who simply can’t bring themselves to abandon their party because modern Republicans tend to be more authoritarian in nature.
Some of the frustrated people seem to want things exactly ‘their’ way (a good paying job in their backyard).
Sometimes our ancestors had to change professions and/or move, to maintain economic viability. Some still cling to wanting to live where great-granddaddy did, without learning new skills or going to where current jobs are, even if it’s just 30-40 miles away.
Those are examples of the people who think a orange wave is going to wash over them and magically improve their situation.
Cultists, you say? Take a look at these two:
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/at-rally-trumpettes-talk-machado-taxes-and-more-776866371522
It is a cult, mostly filled with angry white men afraid of losing their positions in society. Welcome to the club buckaroos.
As a Brit whose faith in humanity was profoundly shaken by our Brexit result, just wanted to say that I feel your pain. We’re keeping everything crossed over here that sanity will prevail next Tuesday – as everyone says: how can it even be close????????? Depressing. & terrifying.
GO HILLARY.
Same here Pip.
Crossing fingers for Americans!
MissJupitero, my thoughts exactly. It never, ever should have been this close. WTF
There was a Trump rally in my small Michigan town yesterday – a group of 20 or so people standing on a corner of a busy intersection and waving their signs, not to mention blocking the view of traffic which was pretty irritating. Who do they think they’re convincing? I feel so disgusted at how some people can support him so strongly. We need to fix our education system for sure, because it’s failing miserably. Even if you remove the fact that Trump’s a bumbling idiot with a 20 word vocabulary who can barely articulate a complete sentence, and that he’s a sexual predator, think about this, Trump people: the stock market is going to CRASH if he wins! Because the rest of the world and financial markets here are going to react to the bad news. Every time bad news about Trump has come out, stocks have gone up, and vice versa when bad news comes out about HRC. The Trump maniacs have only themselves to blame as they watch their retirement money start disappearing.
And their Social Security payments get slashed, and depart abruptly just when they’re old enough to really need them.
Raises hand again… You know who made me feel a little better yesterday? Michael Moore. He was a never Hillary, Bernie Supporter, but because of Trump, he is all in for Hillary. And yesterday on MTP Daily with Chuck Todd (swoon) MM said the most beautiful things about Hillary. He really thinks if she can come out on top she is going to have the American peoples’ backs, all of them. He can be nuts but he knows his stuff and he genuinely seemed to have a lot of faith in her.
I’ve seen some people really turn around on her once her story got re-told and especially after her magnificent performances in all 3 debates. If anything, we need another debate on Sunday night.
And I agree with him. Hillary will be good for all of us! I can’t find a single redeeming quality in Donald Trump…not one.
I mentioned it in another comment, but I just want to shout from the rooftops that I turned in my ballot to the drop box yesterday (gotta love Washington state!) and while the polls are worrying the hell out of me, I am proud to say that I did what I could and used my voice to vote!
I still can’t believe I just voted for a woman for PRESIDENT 😀
Voted Tuesday (Oregon) and there were a lot of people dropping off ballots. Think we will have a high turnout this year and probably bodes well for Clinton.
A friend voted here in MA yesterday and waited an hour and a half. We live in a majority minority community, mostly immigrants from Asia (China and Pakistan) Haiti, Brazil, and Northern Africa, and they tend not to vote but she said she was the only white person in that long line. I think that bodes well too
I early voted on day one in my state. There was no line when I arrived, yet several waiting when I left (5 PM). I’m in a low population county, yet I was told that 500 had cast ballots those first few hours.
If I had to wait hours to vote this year, I would do so.
It’s a great feeling, isn’t it ? I was a pessimist who didn’t think it would happen in my lifetime, but there was a unique joy when I cast my vote for HRC.
AWESOME!!!
I’m sick of all the polls too. I still cannot believe how many people out there take Trump seriously. It is frightening. He will say whatever he thinks people want to hear and has no definite policies or strategies. As for his personality and behaviour, words fail me.
I don’t think Hillary is squeaky-clean but there are very few politicians who are. Almost all of them have some skeletons in their cupboard. I personally think the new FBI investigation is ridiculous and designed to derail her campaign. I hope voters are smart enough to see that.
He will win Ohio & Iowa, he has been up for months now in Ohio and Clinton has really never been ahead in Iowa. Here is the thing, Trump needs those states and Hillary can win without them. She can win without Florida. He needs to win all of the swings states plus pick off one of her strong holds. Florida is an absolute must for Donald and if Hillary wins Florida the night is over. Obama at this time in 2012 only had a 1.5% advantage over Romney. His polls were worse than Hillary’s, yet Nate had him at 90%, while Hillary’s polls are better and he has her at 65%. What has changed is since Nate got burned in the Primaries by saying Trump had no chance, Bernie would lose Michigan he is now playing on the side of error versus what he is actually seeing. He even last weekend factor in the FBI before polls were released. Many other predicators have her at 88%+. Trump may win but Nate is playing it safe and going the glass half empty route. Whatever happens, please for the love of this country get out and vote. Send F*ckface Von Clownstick a message.
No, Hillary told everyone they left the White House broke in 2000. How did she get a net worth of 350 million in 16 years while working in public office. Go ahead, I’ll wait. Pay for play. Everyone knows that’s why she had a hidden server so the Freedom of Information requests couldn’t track the money going into the Clinton foundation.
But you really don’t care how trump cheats people??
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/01/a-big-dirty-secret-from-donald-trumps-tax-returns-has-been-exposed/
Or his secret big bucks??
http://thinkprogress.org/trumps-secret-bundler-list-312feacf3d8c#.b5z39uxdg
And the Tooth Fairy, Great Pumpkin, and Easter Bunny are having Thanksgiving at my house this year.
can I come?!!! I make great mashed potatoes…
Me, too! Me, too!
I’ll bring the Cranberry whatever (from the Cape, of course).
Yes, of course, you both can come. Although it has been a bad year for cranberries on the Cape due to the drought.
“…it has been a bad year for cranberries on the Cape due to the drought.”
The cranberries sense a disturbance in the universe.
🙁
Shanique, I can’t help but notice that your screen name, while very pretty, is also one that comedians use to sound stereotypically Black.
Oh gosh, everyone knows she has a hidden server, eh? Please produce the evidence or a link to a reputable news organization because everyone would sure be grateful if you did.
It’s far more likely that when she said they left the White House “broke” she was making a joke rather than making a statement of fact.
Wow…my name is a combination of my mom Shanice and Unique. But thank you, White Privilege, for making fun of me.
Also, she has spoken of how desperate they were when they left the White House. You should really re-think your life if you feel like you need to attack me for being black and supporting Trump.
You definitely shouldn’t be attacked, just pitied.
I feel incredibly sorry for you that you’re voting against your own interests.
(and your boy Trump is the very definition of white privilege, by the way)
Oh no!
I don’t think Who ARE These People? is making fun of you, but questioning if you are who you pretend you are.
Is not the first time people act like conservative cheerleaders during presidential elections on this site, who have never posted before.
I don’t think their definition of “broke” is the same as ours. They weren’t standing in any food lines, that’s for sure. Bill wrote books and made a lot of speeches, Hillary made a lot of speeches, all of which we know they were paid for doing. Just because they’ve made a lot of money doesn’t mean it was done illegally. I’ll admit they’ve skirted a lot of legal lines, but as it’s been proven over and over again, they’ve not crossed those lines.
And honestly, if the Clinton’s got countries with the worst human rights violations in the world to donate to their charity, a 4-star charity with a 94.7 rating out of 100, then more power to them. They can undo some of what those governments are doing to its population.
And if that’s the reason she had the “hidden” server, what’s everyone else’s excuse? Bush? Cheney? What were they hiding? The hypocrisy is unreal with GOP.
Your numbers are way off, like, 10xs her estimated personal net worth, which is in the $30 million range. Where on Earth are you getting $350 million?
She’s written several best selling books, and has worked many years as a highly paid public speaker. It’s not an uncommon worth for someone in at her level.
I don’t begrudge anyone earning what they can – as long as they don’t steal and cheat others to get there. As anyone who lives in my area of NJ, and they probably personally know someone who did business with Trump and were screwed over. Small businesses right up to big multi-million dollar companies.
The way the Clinton’s made their money should raise concerns. Especially, since Hilary was warned about giving speeches to big banks by her advisers in the run-up to the election. She decided the money was more important then how it would look to the public. So she has no one to blame but herself.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/how-did-clintons-become-so-rich
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/08/hillary-clinton-earned-more-from-12-speeches-to-big-banks-than-most-americans-earn-in-their-lifetime/
And Dubbs made $15M from giving speeches at various financial conferences, as well as three speeches to hedge-fund executives, a Swiss bank sanctioned for keeping secret bank accounts, and a pro golf event underwritten by the accounting firm involved in the Tyco International financial scandal.
What is your point exactly?
..that HRC shouldn’t capitalize on the same things that GWB did because she’s running for president?
I’m not sure it makes any difference whether she made that money before or after her campaign. Giving speeches is a very typical and very lucrative way for high-profile politicians to make money. Why is a transaction that involves bank executives paying a politician to hear him/her speak considered shady at all?
BTW, I heard GWB speak at a big national conference a couple years ago. It really wasn’t “secret” or “shady”, mostly just personal anecdotes and promotion for his lame-ass book.
*shrugs*
How can you fight to reform Wall Street if you’re buddy-buddy with them and getting paid millions for your “insights”? I didn’t think Hilary had a background in finance.
“Buddy-buddy” because she got paid to give a speech at a financial institution? Do you not know how these things work?
It’s merely a business transaction, not any different than a celebrity, author, etc getting paid to give a commencement speech at a university.
Finance is inexorably tied to politics–this is nothing new and it’s why politicians are highly-courted to speak at finance-based conferences, to financial companies, and to financial institutions.
It’s a way for companies to “treat” their employees by giving them the chance to see a famous face speaking about the economy.
It’s not like the bank executives are inviting HRC over to their private residences for tea and crumpets so they can talk “business”. It is literally a speech given to hundreds of bank employees in a large auditorium. Nobody is trading secrets or giving pats on the back–they’re hiring her to talk about her economical and political experience.
Speaking engagements are in NO WAY evidence of some sort of hidden agenda or collusion with Big Bank.
Nice try, though.
If it really is as innocent as you claim it is than why won’t Hilary release the transcripts of these speeches?
Dara – they’ve been released. Russian hackers, Wikileaks, ring a bell?
Further, they became the property of the people who paid for them. Hence why she didn’t release them.
This is f*cking UNREAL. I yearn for the days when Mitt Romney was our worst-case scenario.
I don’t know how the GOP can even begin to repair themselves after this shitshow.
Of interest.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/02/perfect-now-james-comeys-big-mess-is-featured-in-a-trump-political-ad/
The democrats sure were happy when prosecutors decided to indict GW with a week to go in his race with Bill Clinton! Funny they were praising Comey a few weeks ago.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/flashback-clinton-cheered-11th-hour-indictment-that-doomed-bush-reelection/article/2606000
Thank you, Dara12. What is good for the goose…
Also, why would Hillary praise Comey earlier and now he’s terrible? Which is it? The FBI is investigating her selling our State Department. You can’t argue that she didn’t meet with people who gave money to her foundation. We know that’s true. How can she say she is for Women when Saudi Arabia is happy to make women 2nd class others. Tax returns won’t show that.
First, that was H.W., not W. I question why you don’t know the difference. Second, that was an actual indictment, which is completely different from the nothingness Comey tried to smear Clinton with. They had had Weiner’s computer since October 3 and when he made that Friday turd in the pool, they didn’t even have the warrant yet. Do you see the difference?
@Shanique, you make so many weak arguments. What’s better than taking money from misogynists and homophobes and then turning around and using that money to improve the lives of women and LGBTQ people?
Shanique and others: These claims that she’s made her money via nefarious means are baseless. She has released her tax returns for DECADES! Even if you are one of the ‘low information’ voters Trump has said he loves so much, surely you can go to the tax returns, and add. And hey, guess what? It all adds up. And where does Trump’s money come from? Oh, that’s right, we have NO IDEA because he has not released his returns. The blindness of the electorate is frightening.
If all get all your information from mainstream american media, then you absolutely are not getting the whole truth. Its heavily edited down to what the corporate interests want you to hear. CNN is the worst – they green screen everything. Ya gotta do your research. Trump is actually polling way way higher than the media want you to believe. It is what it is.
Please help us out then. Where are you doing YOUR research. Would you mind posting links?
And why would corporate interests have an interest in saying Clinton is polling higher than (you say) she is? If Wall Street has her in its pocket, then why wouldn’t they share lower polls to frighten voters into voting for her?
I’d like to know your definition of “mainstream American media”.
CNN, MSN, ABC-none of them are showing how large his crowds are. She can barely get half of what he is getting. You are wrong if you think we aren’t pumped about Trump and excited to get out the vote for him!
@ Shanique – because her supporters have jobs, children to watch, things to do.
And because we’ve already voted.
I don’t agree with that (for the most part), but if crowd size is what you’re basing the election on then Bernie Sanders would have won by long shot.
Bernie couldn’t win. Hillary and Podesta rigged it. Didn’t you read the emails? Oh probably not. You don’t want to know how evil she was to Bernie.
@Shanique That wasn’t my point. And yes, I’ve read the emails. Not sure why you would think I wouldn’t, Hillary supporters aren’t known for being uninformed or uneducated.
Why don’t you google in Wiki leaks what Podesta said about Bernie, “I agree, where should we stick the knife in” Look it up. It’s sick what they did to that man.
@Shaunique. Honestly, I’ve become convinced that this is the very first election any Donald supporters have ever paid attention to, so great is their shock at literally everything.
@Betsy: totally agree. Except they never get shocked at the much viler things Trump has said and done.
Because that wouldn’t suit them.
@Shanique
Wikileaks only puts out stuff leaked from the Russians.
I’ve no idea why you guys in USA still believe that crap. In UK we all know they’re a bunch of crooks paid by the tsar……..
Shanique, 3 MILLION more people voted for Hillary than for Bernie. Are you saying that there was voting fraud, because there is no evidence of that.
Also, rally sizes do not correlate to votes. I have been supporting Hillary during the primaries and general election, never been to a rally. That does not mean I do not have complete and total enthusiasm to vote for her and against weak and uninformed Trump.
Who relies on television for their media? I think that’s where you’re going astray, Babs.
I’ve also voted, KiddVicious. Along with hundreds of my friends here in North Carolina. He is winning here. I can tell you. I know a large group of my fellow black friends who love Trump. And what do you know about my interests. Did Hillary do a sit down with black Americans asking how she could help? No. She takes us for granted.
Not sure why you’re directing that at me, but OK.
@Shanique. Well, they think between 0-4% of all African Americans are going for Trump, so depending how many friends you have, you well may represent the entire Trump-supporting African American voters in NC.
@Shanique
Hmmm really? “I know a large group of my fellow black friends who love Trump. And what do you know about my interests.”
This week a MP in British government claimed we should all deport the black Britons, because.. you know.. ex slaves. I don’t get why you guys cannot see what you mean for Trump.
Betsy, that was a powerful comment!
Yes, Trump loves “the blacks” so very much that he takes every opportunity to insult and disrespect them and talk about them like they are property. He has no clue about any policy that would positively impact the lives of black Americans, so he just says he’ll be great. You know who takes the black community for granted? The man who uses them as a scare tactic on his white voters. The same man that gives press passes and interviews at his rallies to white supremacists.
That’s nice Shanique. Perhaps your black friends who love Trump could have a lovely chat with that ever so pleasant Mr David Dukes. His pals love Trump too. I am sure you’d get on really well.
I’ve started stress eating because of this…
Aww, I understand! Me and my family are stressed to the max. I had my partner take all the leftover Halloween candy to the office right away, to keep me from it. We’ve been going outside in nature for walks and that seems to help. I also got out our foot bath and bought more Epsom salts. Day at a time!
I know I’m going to get crucified for this , but this is part of the revolution and Trump is just the face of it . Time to get rid of the two party system . Trump has basically done that with the republicans and now it’s time to get rid of the Democratic Party . Our government is supposed to be for WE THE PEOPLE and it’s become so corrupt and flooded with special interest groups bribing our congressman it’s time to clean shop ! Time how term limits ! This is why I’m voting third party !
“Our government is supposed to be for WE THE PEOPLE and it’s become so corrupt and flooded with special interest groups bribing our congressman…”
I agree with this ^^^ part of it. I disagree with voting Third Party in THIS election. I’m also, not so sure if Trump destroyed his adopted party. It’s too early to tell. There is no revolution. .. just hate. (I don’t mean on your part).
Oh lordy, revolutions are VIOLENT and people get KILLED. Let’s hope it’s not a revolution. True revolutionaries are not going to be going into a voting booth and pulling the handle for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson. I don’t see how either are going to be able to promote the establishment of term limits (which exist for the presidency already) from their likely positions of gaining less than 5% of the vote.
I suspect you want to abolish gerrymandering, which would be a completely worthwhile goal for getting corrupt politicians out of Congress and making representatives more accountable. Then natural term limits will kick in because voters will be able to oust representatives who don’t represent them, simple as that. It’s the way it used to work.
Obama has already announced he is going to work with an organization that is trying to support stronger representation by tearing down the loathesome practice of gerrymandering.
Revolutionaries aim to completely overthrow an entire system of government. Try that if you like by voting for the authoritarian and anti-democratic candidate, Donald Trump. Then you can live in an authoritarian society. But voting for a 3rd-party candidate is still within the system. It’s just not likely to change the system.
“Our government is supposed to be for WE THE PEOPLE”
“Time how term limits !”
“We the people” keep voting congress back into office, so I don’t know how you can blame that on term limits and not voters themselves. That is the problem. Everyone hates OTHER PEOPLE’S congress person, but they love their own. Term limits will not change this. If voters wanted them out, they would vote them out…but they don’t.
Trump is the face of uneducated misdirected anger.
I’ve just caught a bit of 6:00pm BBC election coverage news and saw/heard some woman in a ‘vote trump’ t-shirt outside a polling station saying that Trump may be a sinner but he’s repented and therefore he’s good to go as president.
What unholy fu*ckery can cause this degree of ignorant blindness?
Religious fundamentalism and the desire to see a fundamentalist-minded judge on the Supreme Court.
Off topic, but, kind of related…
Friends across the pond…how are you doing?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/brexit-uk-eu-exit-ruling_us_581b0d84e4b0c43e6c1e32fc
The whole world’s gone mad – everything’s just chaotic! Boris said today (pre-the Court judgment) that they would make a Titanic success of Brexit! Wtuf?!
2016 has been one HELL of a year.
A Titanic success, eh? Did he see the movie? LOL. Oh – I see – he meant in the sense of being BIG instead of the sense of GOING DOWN IN FAILURE.
Lina – the reaction has been hysterical. I won’t go into the Daily Fail’s shouting about it but I will just tell you that they’ve noticed one of the judges making the ruling is gay and another wasn’t born in the UK.
To explain what actually happened. In Britain we have a cabinet parliamentary democracy. The executive branch comprises the Prime Minister and her Cabinet. The executive is symbolically referred to as the Crown. The legislative branch is the House of Commons with the House of Lords as a kind of revising house. The legislature is symbolically known as Parliament.
The fundamental rule of the (unwritten) UK Constitution is that Parliament is sovereign and Crown can’t overrule Parliament. The yearly Queen’s Speech represents this: Crown goes to Parliament and assents to the programme of legislation proposed because Parliament trumps Crown.
The judgement today confirmed this. Because the Crown (executive) had made a power grab from Parliament (House of Commons) in asserting that it did not need parliamentary assent to invoke Article 50. The courts affirmed Parliamentary sovereignty by ruling that it does need that assent.
It DOES NOT mean that there’s any chance Parliament would vote down the invocation of Article 50 – it’s inconceivable that Parliament will not respect the advisory referendum. It means that Parliament will be able to scrutinise and amend any Crown plan of when and how to do it.
Every single Leave voter who comes from the cohort within the Leave vote that maintains the most important thing was to wrest back sovereignty perceived lost from Parliament by membership of the EU, should be cheering this decision. Because it’s EXACTLY what they voted for: parliamentary sovereignty.
@Sixer
I’d imagine that the uncertainty (of everything…near and far future) is unnerving.
I am generally a risk-averse person, so yes it is! Thankfully, being a risk-averse person, I am probably better set up than the vast majority to weather whatever economic storm might come.
I am unsettled that hate crime has doubled since the vote. I am unsettled that an extreme fringe has taken over the supposedly centre right party that is in government. I am unsettled at how clear it has become that the vote – for people on both sides – was a vote of emotion. Hot heads and anger are everywhere. The tabloid press is gleefully stoking it all. The executive wants to keep secret about its plan for the process (because it is NOT a single event, it is a years-long process) and large numbers of people are so blinded that they cannot see this is a bad thing.
The whole country is a tinderbox. It is, yes, unsettling! For all its many faults, Britain is not usually an extreme country. It’s usually a sensible one.
There’s a reason plebiscites are favoured by dictators. And I think post-Brexit Britain illustrates exactly that reason,
Well… we all might be in a bunker, together, on November 9.
Wouldn’t it be nice if we could swap you half of our people and you could do the same?
(The Brexits & Trumpets can have New Jersey…NYer joke. No offense, Jerseyites)
If you have a bunker, PLEASE save me a place! Otherwise, yes, a swap would be great!
We in Britain are discovering what an authoritarian populist victory looks like. And it ain’t pleasant. If I were a praying woman, I would be praying that the same fate will not befall you guys.
Today, the batshit fringe are saying we shouldn’t have an independent judiciary any more. I kid you not. That’s how bad it is.
“Today, the batshit fringe are saying we shouldn’t have an independent judiciary any more. I kid you not. That’s how bad it is.”
Umm..that’s what Trump said.
Well, that’s the parallel in a nutshell then, really, isn’t it?
I’ve just found out that The Sun (one of our most rabid tabloids) used Photoshop to darken the skin of one of the judges in that ruling and to crop out the Remembrance poppy that she was wearing, then put her on the front page and called her a traitor. But y’know – Brexit has nothing to do with racism and inflaming racism, does it?
And, with that, I am going to watch something light and romantic on the TV. I can’t even face working today.
I find some comfort in the fact that 28% of registered republicans in Florida voted for Hillary in early voting. There’s a really good chance she’ll win that state.
I have been warming my heart with that little nugget of hope.
Our president is described as the Trump of Asia. So if you guys want to know the effects of a Trump-like president just read news about the of the Philippines: stocks are collapsing, devaluing of our currency, foreign aid support pulling out. So please, please consider before voting for Trump.
Sorry to hear about this, Holla. Unfortunately it’s not likely that Trump voters are closely acquainted with the situation in the Philippines. Yet all the same things could happen to the United States, short of foreign aid pulling out. However, alliances would be deeply strained.
Hey @Hollahere…… The biggest concern now : Will Rody Duterte presidency sink the PHL economy?? So Please, Americans vote for Hillary.
Holla here-
Not one person knows what a Trump presidency would be like; so stop pushing the issues y’all have on the U.S. Our healthcare costs have sky rocketed- and it’s only getting worse and now it’s been estimated that 5 FIVE countries were able to get to Hillary’s server because it was compromised. How in the world is that Comey’s fault? Just like the Clinton’s to blame everyone else-just like that vast Right Wing conspiracy. I don’t want a President who doesn’t know what to send via email because it is Classified. And of course Obama is backing Hillary, because he knows he can be implicated for lying about her email address. Hillary is panicking as are the Dems but I cannot wait to elect President Donald Trump. Make America Great Again!
Obviously your supporting the right candidate – as an FYI the Spanish version of hello is Hola NOT holla but whatever..
HRC’s supporters have been too quick to dismiss criticsm of her and now the heat is turning up. As a liberal democrat I resent her candidacy, but there is no question in my mind that she will win…
I don’t think so. If anything, Democrats supported Sanders in high numbers and the transition to the Clinton candidacy was marked by a period of bitter division. As a liberal Democrat I don’t resent her candidacy, but rather support it not only because she opposes Trump, but also because many of her policies, if passed into law with the help of a functional Senate, move the country toward the kind of social democracy that would keep its people and the union strong in the challenging years ahead.
Until the votes are counted, due to voter suppression and high-level innuendo against her, it’s important to NOT relax and continue working in favor of a continuing American democracy. There are no guarantees.
Hahahahaha… and, now, for some levity….
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/11/3/1590729/-Get-a-load-of-who-Melania-Trump-is-plagiarizing-now
(This is what happens when you’re home sick… you post too much)
I have such severe anxiety as a woman fearing a Trump presidency. I am not a religious person by any regard and I have begun praying. Praying that I don’t have to live in world where our President tells men it’s OK to sexually assault women in their workplaces. Praying I don’t have to live in a world where I could go to jail for making my own reproductive choices. Praying I don’t have to live in a world where my mother dies from losing her Medicare that helps pay for her diabetic medication.
I’m scared y’all. I’m really really scared.
This is the ish from Hillary that makes me distrust her.
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital
I wish we could declare an emergency state of massive insanity and stop the election, have Obama continue as acting president and start the election over. LOL
And this is the kind of ish that makes Donald Trump entirely untrustworthy:
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/how-donald-trump-used-fine-print-make-it-harder-sue-wall-street-fraud-2440890
So … yeah, we could use a reset, but who is more likely to be sensitive to pressure to follow the rules … Clinton or Trump?
Hahaha. Apparently Melania’s latest speech has plagiarised ……………… Marla Maples! God in heaven, politics has gone completely INSANE across the world.
What the hell’s next.
I don’t watch the news anymore. When I get home from work it’s HGTV until bedtime!
We early voted for TRUMP. He is gross, but you know what’s even more gross? Obamacare. Middleclass families with healthcare premiums of $1000-2000 (someone I know) and the rates are rising. The level of corruption, the number of sexual assaults, and Hillary’s cover ups of those assaults are disgusting. It’s a damn shame when you are so corrupt and ruthless that you make Donald Trump look pretty good. I have no idea if he can fix things, but she will make them much worse for everyone. Things will get worse for every family financially, the country will be much less secure (and I’m not talking about Mexico or the “wall” – yes that’s stupid, and he just said that to get votes) – again Hillary has done much worse including taking millions from Saudi Arabia. Lesser of 2 evils but there is a large divide between the two, that’s how bad Hillary will be for the U.S. *Sigh*. I couldn’t help but post. Not all celebitchy readers are withHer.
Oh my goodness.
Somebody help … this post is riddled with falsehoods, inaccuracies and projection on everything from Obamacare to Trump’s history of sexual assault.
Voting for someone who is “gross” with no idea if they can fix things… because of a rash of false accusations against his opponent. What can anyone say about that?
I was referring to Bill Clinton’s sexual assaults, and Hillary’s ruthless attacks of those victims. HRC is not going to fix Obamacare is she? We are very comfortable financially but my heart goes to out to my friends who are truly being affected by it, including our friends who are doctors as well. It’s certainly not just the ‘deplorables’ who are voting for Trump. No one can be sure if anyone is capable of ‘fixing’ things in DC, but it will certainly get worse with HRC. I’m with Trump for the hope that he’ll dismantle Obamacare.
Health insurance premiums for families was in that price range for some policies in some states BEFORE the ACA. Most of the higher percentage increases are occurring in states where regulation of health insurance is minimal and enforcement lax and governors did not fully engage with the program. MY premiums decreased. And the ACA protects people like me, cancer, asthma, from discrimination by insurers. Please tell me why you want to deprive me of access to medically necessary health care?
Lightpurple, I’m sincerely glad you’ve benefited from Obamacare. However, you are the only one I have ever talked to that has benefited from it. I wouldn’t say I’ve been hurt by it yet, but certainly our premiums have increased a good amount and our coverage has decreased. So many people I have talked to including many business owners are suffering as a result of it. I don’t mean this flippantly, but I’m glad someone is benefiting from it because I have yet to talk to anyone who has until just now.
I have friends whose employers are paying them to find coverage elsewhere because they cannot afford to insure their employees, I have friends who are business owners who also have serious pre-existing conditions that have financially suffered from Obamacare as well. These are just a fraction of people I have spoke to that have adversely been affected by this that had no problem with health insurance premiums previously. I’m happy for you, but not for them.
As a woman, I did not find it easy to vote for Trump. I was highly offended (to put it lightly) by some of his comments, and actions but sadly I believe Hillary to be almost worse because as a female, in my opinion she has given nothing but lip service to women. She also stayed married to sexual offender (that’s what I’ll call him anyway) and aided and abetted him in ruthlessly destroying down his accusers. Sadly, if Trump is not pro female, neither is HRC. In my eyes, there is no differentiation there.
So I had to put all that aside and focus on everything else I’m concerned about to base my vote on.
Why would I choose to elect a career politician to office when I’m not happy with the current state of our country, especially with ‘healthcare reform’ among many other issues?
“you are the only one I have ever talked to that has benefited from it”
That is so uninformed.
Lifetime limits have been removed. People are no longer paying out-of-pocket costs for preventative care. Women aren’t having to pay co-pays for birth control. The list goes on and on. These changes are for EVERYONE, including people who get employer administered insurance.
The issues with Obamacare are largely due to the lack of Medicaid expansion on the states run by GOP governors who refused to do so. It pushed poor and sick people onto the exchange, instead of Medicaid.
Trump so clearly has not done his homework on policy issues. How can someone fix problems that he doesn’t understand. He can’t articulate on even a college level the nuances of government policy. Take his comments about the debt for example. He is dangerously uninformed.
@Anyday, your premiums were going to increase any way, and no, your coverage did not decrease unless you personally chose to switch to an inferior plan. Tiffany points out just some of the many benefits of the ACA and why there have been problems. Those “employers” you describe had those problems long before Obama ever took office.
And this oft-repeated rhetoric about her hurting his “accusers.” Seriously? And which “accusers” would those be? Juanita Broaddrick who on the two opportunities she had to put forth her story under oath in legal proceedings where she could have obtained some sort of justice, swore, under pain and penalty of perjury, that he did not attack her and whose story Ken Starr found to be unsustained? Or Paula Jones, who lost her sexual harassment lawsuit twice? In your view, a wife who stands by her husband, as she vowed to do, is worse than a man who sexually assaults women.
Omg, you guys! I live in Jacksonville FL. I just turned on the TV to watch judge judy. Instead i see President Obama giving a speech, campaigning at the University of north Florida campus! 10 miles from my house!!! and i did not know!!!! Omg, how did i not know this! I would have been there. It was at 1:30. And trump was here too, gave a speech at a different location. Im so sick, i could have seen Obama!!!
I VOTED! 🗳
I voted for #HillaryisNasty #HillaryisPOTUS 🙂
PLEASE exercise your right to vote!
Melania declared (reading from the teleprompter) that if she becomes FLOTUS, her focus will be the prevention of bullying via Social Media. I would like to know what steps, if any, she plans to take in preventing Trump (God forbid that he wins) from attacking others using the same medium. Will Melania be an advocate for bullying prevention when Trump loses?
View her speech on CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/03/politics/melania-trump-speech-pennsylvania/index.html
The excuse was that he only bullies adults who attack him. Excuse for everything.
Totally agree with AMYDAY above. I am a college educated minority small business owner voting for Trump. As are most people I know. Not deplorables. Doctors, attorneys, teachers. No one I know is vocal about it because of the downright nastiness of some of the Clinton supporters. I have actually had people tell me I had no “right” to vote if I was voting for Trump and I should do everyone a favor and stay home! Why are the most liberal among us the least tolerant of viewpoints other than their own? If you are a Clinton or third party supporter I will support your right to vote and have a different opinion other than my own. In fact, my husband has fought for this country and is still in the military. Btw I am long time Celebitchy reader only speaking up now.
Sad.
Even sadder is that no one can have an opinion anymore without being called names or even respect. I voted for Trump. I don’t like Hillary, but I wouldn’t call you names or demean your intelligence for doing so. Why are so many quick to jump into name-calling? We will have to live together after this election, why can’t I be a Trump supporter and not be dumb to you? I don’t think you are crooked because you are voting HRC? HRC has called me DEPLORABLE. How, sway? I may be one of your constituents-why would you attack me?
@NinaHughes
I’m not as pro-Hillary (and, I am), this time around, as I am anti-Trump and all he stands for… which is, in a nutshell, Trump. I care about the country. My father was a decorated war hero, a supporter of vets even when he was on a fixed income and could not really afford to give (but did, anyway), and, a lifelong Democrat.
Who says “Doctors, attorneys, teachers” can’t be deplorable? I’m not pointing at you. I just don’t understand that argument. However, if doctors, attorneys and teachers think Trump is Presidential material, our educational system truly failed them.
“Why are the most liberal among us the least tolerant of viewpoints other than their own?”
Go to a right-wing website and let me know how tolerant the posters there are to opposing views.
I think most of the Democrats, pro-Hillary, anti-Trumpers care about the country and all its citizens… not just themselves. We know what’s at stake, and, it’s bigger than any one of us. Some people tolerate hate and inequality better than others; some don’t. Some people want to leave the planet in good shape for the next generation…even those without kids of their own.
NinaHughes Much as I dislike and distrust Hillary, I will not vote for Trump. You determined he’s your guy, and that’s your right. Alleged liberals/democrats shame the values they supposedly stand for when they attack people who disagree and with the same smug, self-regarding tone used against other potential candidates. They miss the frustration and despair common among Trump voters AND democrat voters whom the good times have passed by. Many many millions of people for them to feel superior to, though, and for them – that’s what counts. IMO neither candidate will address the issues effectively. What they will offer is some form of public/private partnership that pretends to solve “inequality” by putting people into toxic debt by offering loans. Has that worked so far? No.
I am through making excuses for Trump voters who support him because they feel “marginalised” or “disenfranchised”. There are people in many countries who don’t have a pot to pi@ss in that wouldn’t vote for someone with those views.
Frosty…I like this post.
Have you looked at Hillary’s issues page? Because you can really drill down there. She offers a lot of nitty gritty policy.
“Why are the most liberal among us the least tolerant of viewpoints other than their own?”
Tell that to the black church that was set on fire with week with the words “vote trump” spray painted on the side. Tell that to the people at Trump rallies who push, spit on, and hit people with other view points.
I’m genuinely curious. Why are you voting Trump? Like what are some legit reasons. Non partisans agree that his tax plan is bunkers (may create a short term boost, but HRC is much better long term). His foreign policy positions are frightening, his adoration of Putin is frightening. He has the temperant of a whiny two year old child; he has admittedly that he plays the system ( for all of the conservative concern about welfare queens, DT is a huge welfare queen). He’s taken advantage of bankruptcy laws which in turn leave regular tax payers and small business owners like yourself paying the bill. He has a history of not paying small businesses and contractors who work for him. He has no plans to fix healthcare other than repeal ACA (and the ACA isn’t the problem, that’s red herring; the real problem is cost and costs of insurance).
He is part of the establishment, even Oreos than HRC. Can you please logically explains to me how electing him President would be good for you?
I’m with her. Voted. Hilary Clinton for president 2016. 🙂
Thank you. ❤️
Celebitchy: You do know that Donna Brazile was let go from CNN for feeding Ms. Clinton the debate questions, right? And that breach is the least of the Dems’ problems.
Please don’t freak out if she loses. We took it on the chin when Senator Sanders’ campaign was sabotaged before it even started.
I’m voting for Trump on Tuesday. If he wins, you all will be fine. The shock and depression happens to half the population every 4 years and then life goes on.
I want whatever drugs you’re taking.
I won’t be fine.
FFS, this is not a football game! Do you really not comprehend that people actually have something at stake in this election? For starters, an obscene number of people will lose their health insurance. They will not be just fine. This is real! Wake up!
Lina, LP, Miss Jup, she’s a trumpite. She doesn’t care about you.
Let’s celebrate together next week Meg! It’s going to shock them, but I think he is going to win by a wider margin than anyone sees coming.
DO you understand, Miss Jupitero that millions already are having to choose between health insurance and necessities for their families? The middle class is under assault right now because we get taxed to death. And HRC wants to expand the horror that is Obamacare. After some premiums rose over 35% a family. What about those people, Miss Jupitero?
Miss Jupitero says:
November 3, 2016 at 11:30 pm
FFS, this is not a football game! Do you really not comprehend that people actually have something at stake in this election? For starters, an obscene number of people will lose their health insurance. They will not be just fine. This is real! Wake up!
How can people vote 3rd party? None of the candidates (bar HRC) even believe in immunization. How do you vote Donald if he doesn’t believe in climate change?
Hatred of Hillary, gullibility, imbecility are the main reasons imo.
Because I’m not willing to choose “the lesser of two evils”. I cannot in good conscience vote for either of them .
Proud Trump supporter and excited to see a few like-minded people commenting here. I usually don’t click on the political posts here (I always laugh when gossip bloggers try to write about politics) but had to comment that I am glad all of Hillary’s chickens are finally coming to roost. Going to be an exciting Election Day!
There isn’t a tree or a henhouse big enough to contain Trump’s chickens if they came home to roost. Although in fact his chickens would be more like ostriches. Voting for a man who boasts about grabbing women’s puss@ies must give you a warm glow.
trump is nothing more than a crass d list celebrity. A gossip blog is exactly where he belongs. And he just loves uneducated voters. Said so himself.
If you’re so contemptuous of “gossip bloggers” intellectual capacity, why are you on Celebitchy at all?
Thank you for standing up, ITDoesmatter. It’s hard on these websites to take a stand, but I’m here too.
I’m usually a lurker but have really enjoyed reading the political coverage on this site. I’m a registered republican in a swing state (NC) and I will be voting for HRC this election. Anyone but trump.
That’s great Valerie.
Thank you, Valerie.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
The ONLY positive I can see if Trump wins, is, if he’s impeached (as lightpurple predicts), his…head…will…explode in a spectacular “Scanners” fashion.
Of course, (if he wins) the irony is, it’s the people who voted for Trump or Third Party who will be in for a rude awakening. Those of us who voted for HRC know the ramifications and reality.
Can I call in Trump next Wednesday? (sick) I literally think I’ll throw up if he wins. President Oopma Loompa. God help us all.
I am not an american but Ive been watching your election news closely. I am from a 3rd world country who just elected a dark horse. we got big change suddenly and we are happy with the result. everyday is new for us- and positively. it was unexpected. we choose somebody who love the country. So just a word from me. if you want change, stop electing career politicians and political dynasties. if they really want deliver goods things for you, they should have done it years ago – not tomorrow.