I wasn’t really surprised that Adele swept the big awards at the Grammys: Song of the Year, Album of the Year and Record of the Year. Did I hope that Beyonce would win at least one of them? For sure. Did I think Beyonce deserved to win over Adele? Yes, I did. But I was still unsurprised when Adele swept. It’s one of the reasons I dislike the Grammys as a representation of musical acceptance or respectability. The Recording Academy is racist. When Will Smith talked about it, people were like “Oh, he’s just trying to reconnect to his black audience.” When Kanye West talked about it, everyone was like “STFU Yeezy.” When Frank Ocean talked about it, people were like “why is he picking on POOR TAYLOR SWIFT?” But now that Beyonce got snubbed for arguably her greatest album – coincidentally her most political and racially-charged album – I guess people are just realizing, oh right, the Grammys are pretty racist.
Part of me thinks that the realizations are dawning on people even more this year because Adele – the winner! – spent a lot of time on stage talking directly to Beyonce and using her time to honor Queen B. Then backstage Adele talked about how much Bey’s Lemonade meant to her as a woman and as an artist. When the old white dude voters of the Recording Academy heard their girl Adele talk about it, I think it might have dawned on them that maybe they made some mistakes. Maybe it takes a white ally for people to really “get” that the Grammys have a long history of not acknowledging black artists in general. #GrammysSoWhite and #GrammysSoRacist should absolutely be things now. I do believe that the #OscarsSoWhite drama helped build a larger conversation about diversity and inclusion in film, and now we need a larger conversation about race and music.
(To be fair though – the Grammys have a terrible history of acknowledging the truly groundbreaking, generation-defining and genre-shifting albums in general, black, white or brown. The Grammys’ history is littered with examples of now-iconic artists and albums being snubbed for sub-par flash-in-the-pan one-hit wonders.)
People are now wondering aloud if Beyonce should or will boycott the Grammys from here on out. I feel the same way about this issue that I feel about all of these one-sided conversations about oppression, bigotry, racism and sexism: why is it always on the victims to do or say something? Why should Beyonce say anything, boycott anything, or be responsible in anyway for the Recording Academy’s issue? The Recording Academy president should be the one issuing statements. Grammys voters – all of those white dudes – should be talking about how they’re going to make changes with how they vote and who gets to vote and how artists are recognized.
PS… some people took issue with Adele telling Beyonce “The way that you make me and my friends feel — and the way that you make my black friends feel — is empowering. You make them stand up for themselves and I love you, and I always have and I always will.” This stirred a lot of heated debate online, which I mostly ignored because… tempest in a teapot. I think we have a knee-jerk reaction to hearing “my black friends” because we always hear it in a context of someone justifying a racist act or statement, i.e. “I can’t be racist because I have black friends.” But look at what Adele was saying in context – and yes, granted, she could have said it better – she’s saying that as much as she loved, respected and appreciated Lemonade, she knows that there are parts of it she will never “get” because she’s not a black woman. Which is a fundamental part of the story of Lemonade: an African-American artist made an album for black women, telling a specific story about race and sex and love and power and heartbreak. Adele was acknowledging to Beyonce that there’s a fundamental part of Lemonade that she will never understand, but that she (Adele) is still listening and growing and trying to understand.
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I’m sorry, but why is Lemonade considered a political album? She had one song that was political and racially charged and the other songs, while great, were not.
Even with Formation, it was the Katrina and Black Panther visual references that made it political more than the actual lyrics, which are almost entirely about Jay and their public image.
There’s political imagery and references in the Lemonade film, most notably the mothers of the young men slain by police, and a hint of it in the poetry, but the actual songs are very, very narrowly focused on a certain type of romantic relationship.
It was certainly a big leap for Beyoncé, who for years was the most apolitical pop star imaginable (early 00’s Beyoncé would even make Taylor Swift look like an activist!), but she kept the actual music 99% free of politics and activism.
Listening just to the lyrics of Formation, the song is not political. It’s the video that was political.
sorry for OT, but this is interesting… http://www.nme.com/news/music/adeles-george-michael-grammys-tribute-almost-featured-beyonce-and-rihanna-1975393
However, a different kind of tribute featuring Beyoncé, Rihanna and James Corden – who essentially initiated Carpool Karaoke with George Michael – was also mooted. According to The Hollywood Reporter, each performer would have sung a verse from a different George Michael song, including ‘One More Try’ and ‘Freedom 90’.
However, the show’s executive producer Ken Ehrlich said it became apparent “how passionate Adele was… and that she had a vision for what she wanted to do with it.
That would have been great to see. Even when Adele started over it wasn’t much improvement. Her version wasn’t good.
I agree, I don’t know when Lemonade became an album about black women for black women, etc etc. I mean visually sure perhaps there are some allusions to the black struggle but from an album stand point only formation and freedom kinda sort touch on that, but lyrically it’s pretty much a relationship record.
Solange on the other hand, that was a “black” album.
SO you know what Adele doesn’t get a pass for that weird comment.
It was weird and unnecessary and not really accurate…
But either way the Grammy’s are lame.
I would imagine because womanhood is politicized.
Thank you!
I was beginning to think that I must be an “insensitive black woman” cos i don’t get/ feel any of this black women empowerment or political statement thing from Beyonce’s album. Its a nice enjoyable album (I only like 3 songs off it btw), and that’s all.
Now the person we should feel sorry for is Rihanna for ANTI. That’s one of the very few albums that i don’t skip any song on, cos every single song is just amazing! It gives you the right balance of high and low moments.
And Adele, oh dahling shush! before you start spouting nonsense that the world will nitpick and just enjoy your moment. I think she deserves some of the awards.
Are the Grammys racist? Always have been. Would boycotting them do anything about it? Probably not. And as much as Beyoncé may have deserved to win, Adele was not UNdeserving. So much damn attention is paid to entertainment awards, I start to wonder whether people go into music or film with the idea of doing anything else but taking home a freaking statuette.
Definitely too many pat on the back award shows! I agree it’s not like Adele didn’t deserve the awards
I am not a fan of the award season or as you accurately say “pat on the back” shows. It’s a fashion show, then it gets political when the person/people expected to win or even get a nom don’t. I didn’t blink when Beyoncé didn’t win. I have always loved Adele’s voice and could listen to her sing the phone book. Beyoncé sings okay to me, but drives me crazy with her inability to articulate her words. Guess only Sasha Fierce is the word master. All these celebs are spoiled and have such a sense of entitlement. Geez, we all deserve a statute on the mantle for surviving this administration without going postal. *long ass post*
well, Bowie got zero awards while he was alive. so I would not say that only race is in question. the Grammys play it safe. they are dumb and overrated and Beyonce should not give a toss.
And speaking of Adele, I have classical music training. Trust me, every girl in music highschool sounds better than her. She is overrated but, she is white, non threatening, she is not supermodel look alike, like Rihanna, so girls relate to her. Her songs are safe.
Glad to hear that I am not the only one who thinks this. I was beginning to wonder if something is wrong with my ears 😀
Agreed! While I think Adele, the person, seems to be a delightful human being, I’ve never gravitated towards any of her songs. Total indifference.
Neutral on Adele, and I don’t want to offend her fans, but ……in the few live televised performances I’ve seen, she seems to hit flat notes or have “technical” issues. This isn’t what one would expect from a talented pro. Yes, everyone can have a bad night, but in my (admittedly limited) experience with her live performances on TV, each one has been flawed — while the other performers manage to get it right. I’m stumped by the acclaim: Could it be the power of Adele’s voice that impresses?
Milla, I taught singing at the college level and although Adele may not have the “best” voice by classical singing standards, she has something far more important. She has the quality of voice that touches people in their souls and hearts. This indefinable quality is magic. I used to tell my students it’s the “Bette Midler effect.” Didn’t matter that she really couldn’t sing (although Adele can). This quality is much more important than great technical technique. And it’s elusive.
And btw this is why Adele wins awards.
OTHER RENEE
I see that, but, there is big BUT. she has that initial charisma. and now, if feels like she is singing the same song again and again. Art is suppose to be meaningful. “It is anything but safe.
I love Sarah Brightman, that woman has angelic voice, but she did experiment, which made her a star. Freddie, Bowie, Prince, George, the Beatles, Cher, even Amy, you do not say “great singers”, but great artists, huge stars… So far she showed quality of singing power ballads, but that is not enough. Every single musician, from Mozart and Beethoven, to the ones we love today, managed to challenge themselves and to create something magical, out of the box. Adele is still MOR.
She got lucky. Her next move should be in some other direction, cos this way she is replaceable.
I agree Other Renee – she may not be the technical best, but there’s something in her music that connects with people.
I do agree with milla that there hasn’t been much growth or experimentation between albums, but we’ll see what she does next.
Beyonce is an average singer and is famous because she’s beautiful (well, by white standards), her husband and became really powerful after they started hanging out with the Obamas. I personally don’t think she’s that beautiful or anything speciak, besides being a spectacular busineswoman.
Beyoncé is not an average singer. That is perhaps the one thing she can never be. 4 octaves up in that BItch!! The stripped down vocals from her performance 2 days ago is out and maybe you should give it a listen. Her vocal control is unmatched and she has a stronger voice. I bet if you put them up there for 20 minutes straight, Adele gets out of breath first. Adele has 2! She is a more versatile singer. Adele has a beautiful tone but I’m tired of hearing her sing in the same 1.5 octave. She should have no problem switching it up if she’s that great a singer. And I’m looking forward to the day she will do her runs the way they are on the record while performing live.
Fuck fact: Beyoncé was repeatedly asked to tone it down during Dreamgirls Because Deena is supposed to be a weaker singer compared to jhud’s character.
I like Adele. I didn’t care for this album. I was neutral on it. I didn’t have a song on it that I really connected with.The musicians that I’ve talked to really didn’t like this album. Beyonce’s album and film were amazing. Every single song was good to amazing. I loved that album. I loved the spoken word on the film. I had that shit on repeat for a month. It definitely deserved it over the Adele album. It is totally racist that she didn’t win.
Oh my word, so true.. I don’t watch any of them and still wonder why MTV has a video awards shows.. Let me stop, I sound old..
I’m not sure I would define the Grammy’s as ‘racist’ – I think it is a more case of the voters being utterly out of touch with the audience. I don’t believe (or want to believe) that someone is sitting there checking the Adele box instead of the Lemonade box because one is white and the other is black – but because Adele’s music is more palatable to many in the voting body.
Obviously, I don’t agree with many of the outcomes at these award shows – I generally find it hard to take them seriously base don how out of touch they are.
Also – I really like that Adele said what she said ON STAGE. that she called it out, loud, instead of basking in the glory of a win on stage and then issuing platitudes later. She used problematic wording, yes, but in this instance I want to believe her heart was in the right place.
People are so quick to throw the race card out there. I agree with you, I think it’s more that the voters are out of touch like you say. The Grammys have a long history of giving awards to the wrong artists
Agree
I don’t know if the words are problematic. We have to remember that 1. She’s not American so it’s not like she would say AA friends and 2. It IS a knee jerk reaction to that statement being followed by a racist statement. A lot of black twitter said that yesterday. The fact that she acknowledged the difference is BIG.
And Bey doesn’t have to boycott the Grammys but I think she SHOULD stop performing there. A lot of the Grammy audience tunes in for her or Adele. Beyoncé could give them a big FU by not performing on the Grammy stage.
I don’t think not being American is an excuse. Referring to people by race is, in my opinion, problematic. Example – I am American of South Asian descent and I live in the UK. I don’t like being referred to as ‘brown’. Maybe I am projecting, but I find her language problematic.
Thanks all for your thoughtful views on this.
@Clare I get that. Here not everyone wants to be called AA. Many are African or black. Many of my friends prefer to be called black. I was just giving some context for her because people forget that not everyone even wants to be called African American because they find it oppressive and many of us cannot trace our roots back because of slavery. I haven’t nailed my identity either on my moms side (descendent from slaves) and on my dads I am Haitian American. It’s tricky. I think for others (not AA or black) it’s different connotation.
And she’s British so that’s another layer
@Clare, in Britain “brown” is not used as a descriptor for people. People with brown skin would tend to be described as Asian. In Britain black people call themselves black, it isn’t considered offensive to call someone black. Adele’s friends are likely to be British so they would never be African American they would be black britons or might be called afro-caribbean.
I think it’s probably a bit of both, really. Who the hell is doing the voting for these shows? Because honestly – I found A LOT of the awards to be really surprising. My husband said yesterday it’s like a bunch of old people sitting around saying “hmm. Yes. That Timberlake fellow – my grandkids LOVED the Trolls movie”.
I don’t think Adele deserved to win as much as she did – but I also don’t think Bey should have just swept it, either. Adele is talented, she’s got a good voice, but I find her work to be so incredibly dull for the most part. Nothing is terrible about it, but besides being super emotionally draining, they aren’t some kind of one of a kind song.
I’m really pumped for Chance the Rapper being the first unsigned artist to win the way he did.
I don’t think there are enough categories or something – there are artists going up against people that make no sense to be against. I find it so strange that 21 Pilots are up against Ariana Grande for awards.
I was kind of surprised that Cage the Elephant beat out the bands they beat- though I’m not overly disappointed either. They’ve done great. But I’m more of a fan of Blink, or P!ATD or Weezer than I am Cage the Elephant – I did get a good amount of joy seeing Blink nominated though.
I feel like there should be more of an Alt-Rock category, or something just to sort things out a little better.
I agree a lot of the categories are just odd. But it’s also what labels submit for as well.
Not only is the first to be an unsigned artist to win, he fought for RCA to include streaming artists for consideration.
Anderson .Paak over Chance. I’m sorry, he is amazing. But that’s the beauty of different opinions.
Nah you’re just kidding yourself if you think it’s got nothing to do with race. Look up how many black winners of album of the year in the history of the Grammys please and then we will talk.
However it’s also got something to do with the Grammys being conservative and anti innovative. See the example above about the great Bowie who also was too innovative for the Grammys.
Beyoncé, kendrick and frank oceans problem is that they are innovative AND black.
What you’re describing is exactly what implicit racism is. Because no one actually comes out and says “I’m a racist,” most racism is implicit and subconscious. It’s “favoring” a bland song by a white woman over a more lyrical song by an artist of color. It’s the men in power (white men) paying other white men more because they’re “more deserving” than women or people of color. Studies have been done extensively on this phenomena.
Well said.
I’m sorry but sometimes ‘racism’ is thrown in there way too often.
How was Beyoncè snubbed when she was the most nominated person at the Grammys?
If we look at numbers I am surpsied that ‘Lemonade’ was even nominated.
Adele’s songs were #1 in multiple countries while ‘Lemonade’ didn’t even hit the top 10 in any country including the US. Adele’s ‘Hello’ has close to over 2 billion views on Vevo, Formation has 22 million.
After Beyoncè performed it at the SuperBowl last year, the song disappeared.. and than it was up for 2 of 4 major awards at the Grammys.
If Beyoncè wasn’t black or Beyoncè herself, she wouldn’t have been nominated at all.
I think in this case racism isn’t the card to play. The song might have been a political statement but it wasn’t as popular as people might think.
Just to remind you of injustices, DAvid Bowie never won a Grammy…
When there is a history of snubbing black artists, then there is racism regardless of whether it was intentional or not.
Adele’s music is more “palatable”?….interesting
I think she means palatable in the sense of easier for radios to play and a more familiar sound for a mainstream audience.
Less swears, less overt sexual references, fewer harsh musical tones, less controversial subject matter, less thinking about important meaning, etc.
Even if she boycotts the Grammies, they were literally two nights ago, so she has an entire year to figure it out.
lol for a moment when i saw the headline, I thought another Grammys was gonna hold T_T
Yes. Beyoncé should boycott it from now on.
why? it is extra exposure for people who are not into that music genre, like myself.
she did great job, i only disliked the outfit, she did not win that award, but so what? in 20 years who will remember album 25??? on the other hand, Beyonce did sth meaningful.
it is just a glam night with family.
I actually think 25 has more of a chance of being remember tbh. It broke record sales whereas “Lemonade” was only a mild success…coming in behind Rihanna’s Anti,, Drake’s Views and I believe Bieber’s Purpose as well.
Lemonade just isn’t that important of an album…
Uhmmmm nope. lemonade didn’t come In behind Anti. It outsold and outstreamed it in all ramifications. It had the highest metacritic score amongst all these other albums you mentioned and above all the ones in the AOTY category. It topped way more end of year lists than any other album released in 2016. It is currently #2 on iTunes after a year of release…. Maybe you should fact-check Before posting these lies because some people here deal in music facts and charts.
Discussions like these remind me again how tiring it must be to be a black woman and constantly face being dismissed or being told that there really is something else at play and not to play the race card.
I’m kind of surprised, I thought most readers here were better than instantly dismissing the work of a black female artist.
I honestly think Beyonce is above the Grammys anyway. At this point, it’s like she’s humoring them and I’m not sure she has any f***s to give. I’m so impressed by her right now. And I get what Adele was trying to say. She started out saying what the album meant to her, then remembered it means even more to her black friends. The stigma with that statement is so annoying; like, I literally have black friends and I cherish their opinions on racial issues from a POV I don’t have. They aren’t token friends to validate racist viewpoints :/
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Shannon… I think your comment is so true. Not a Beyoncé fan at all… But she is completely above these little award shows. Most people have figured out they are bs. Who cares? Do what you do and make your music and make that money.
And I think people that get snubbed should still show up if they want… It just reminds people they got left out.
I don’t get the criticism of what adele said either. I think it came from a genuine thought she was having… No need to dissect what she said.
Yup!! This +1000
Beyonce is getting great PR from all of this, which is better for her career than a Grammy award. It’s all about the big picture. As for Grammys, they’re terrible in so many ways. Who even considers them relevant anymore?
Its time for black artists to boycott the Grammys. We’ve been having this conversation since the last black artist won AOTY in 2005. In 12 years, a group that dominates the music charts hasnt had even one album worthy of the top award?
The four major pop stars (Beyonce, Rihanna, Bruno and Drake) need to demand a reboot of voting members so that different cultures are better represented. There will be traitors (Chrisette Michell!) but this sends a powerful message.
I didn’t like Bey or Adele’s albums but I wanted Beyonce to win over Adele. There was not much to choose from.
But I don’t know if it was about race. When was the last time a country artist or a heavy metal artist won a Grammy for AOTY. I’m asking and I really don’t know the answer.
Its a fair question but let me remind you that wins by artists of color are traditionally restricted to five fields. RnB, Rap, Latin, Reggae and the Gospel corner of the larger Christian Music field. Remember theres only ONE award under the Reggae field. In the RnB, Rap and Gospel fields there have of course been white winners. The American Roots field which now includes Blues is almost exclusively white winners. Other than the Latin Jazz award, the Jazz wins have been almost exclusively white now. And as you must already know non white wins in Country, New Age, Classical, Electronic and Rock are extremely rare. In other words, this problem stretches beyond the three big cross-genre awards.
You could argue that this reflects a cultural problem but that is also inextricably linked with race. The awards are managed and voted for by primarily white people, who come with their cultural biases. The solution has been clear for years. First, sack all voters and replace with a more culturally representative voting academy. Secondly review the voting fields so that you have an even number of awards under each. Thirdly be receptive to criticism and have regular reviews to assess the criticism (years of this complaints with no action is too much)
I get what you’re saying but it still doesn’t really answer the question of when was the last time a country artist or a heavy metal artist won AOTY. I’m thinking it was The Dixie Chicks but I’m too lazy to Google.
But could it be that just because we thought Bey had the better album that the voters (which includes people from vocalists to songwriters, engineers and producers, that must have creative or technical credits ) thought Adele album was better. Look at the other people who were nominated in that category. What if Drake or Justin Bieber had won. It wasn’t much to choose from. I only liked one song from Beyoncé’s Lemonade and that was “Daddy’s Lessons. I didn’t like any from Adele’s. But I wanted Bey to win because I dislike Adele, not that I thought Bey had a better album.
Was it different from her previous work, yes it was. But just because something is different doesn’t make it good. I didn’t think the album was political at all as some seem to think. “When he – uck me good I take his ass to Red Lobster’ or suck on my b-lls, pause” is not political but sexual and a slang way to tell someone to piss off. Most of the album was just her singing about her and Jay’s relationship. But I still prefer that to Adele’s screaming “Hello” at a lost love from a million miles away.
I do think that sometimes race or what they feel is safe plays a part in these decisions makings of who the main awards go to. But this is just my opinion that neither album was very good. I actually enjoyed more songs from Beiber’s album than I did these two women but I’m not saying he should have won a grammy. I’m just saying there was nothing much to choose from and they went with what they thought was best.
Giving AotY to Beck for an album we never heard of, well ok, he’s a talented,multi-instrumentalist guy.
Giving it to Adele because of better album sales? Hmmm.
Beyonce just cannot win.
Beyoncé has won a ton.
exactly!!! Beyonce is doing well enough on her own without this dumb award, and without the help of the nutter fans who expect her to win everything.
They are obviously talking about AOTY – Beyonce is above this loss and will be fine. Way to miss the point…
Case in point, right there.
Beyoncé lost because of the most boring reason ever. Vote splitting.
http://www.vox.com/2017/2/13/14595352/adele-beat-beyonce-grammys-why
Basically having drake and Bieber (pulling away R&b and pop votes) is the reason she lost. In this case it’s not because the academy is old and white. Just in this case though-usually they def skew that way.
It’s funny, because when I was a teenager in the 80s, I don’t remember the best artists at that time winning any Grammy’s; the Grammy’s always rewarded the older artists and the “safe” ones. Springsteen never got a Grammy until the mid-80s, U2 didn’t get any Grammy’s until the late 80s, Led Zeppelin got Best New Artist and then nothing again until the 90s, long after they’d stopped being the greatest rock band in the world, etc, etc. So I think, in part, that this is a continuation of the same lack of relevancy that the Grammy’s have always had.
But it IS true that black artists always get stuck in the “urban” section, and we do need to keep having these conversations until something changes. Without a doubt, Beyonce was the most talked about artist in 2016. I’m too old to really be as into her as most younger people are, so I’m not speaking as a member of the Beyhive, but everything about Lemonade transcends your average album. It’s not just the singing, it’s the intent and purpose behind a real concept album (remember when those were popular?) and the performances around it. She dominates and she should have been rewarded for that – and the only explanation for it is that the Grammy voters didn’t respect her enough; or had an axe to grind against her for being a strong black woman. It’s true.
Talking of relevancy…. It took the DEATH of Bowie for voters to take notice of him. As Hecate said another post here at Celebitchy, he receieved nothing for The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust, Aladdin Sane, Diamond Dogs, Young Aneticans, Low, Station to Staion, Heroes, Scary Monsters… The only Grammy he had won up to this year was Short Form Video for Jazzin’ for Blue Jean (and that’s not even CLOSE to his best video)…. even posthumously, he is and will be an icon and a source of inspiration for decades to come.
Beyoncé has PLENTY of Grammys… Doesn’t she? She’ll be fine without ‘Record of the Year’ – there are plenty of icons that don’t have that ‘honor’ either. She’ll be remembered no matter what.
I agree about the Grammy’s always being out of touch. There were so many albums when I was growing up that should have won but didn’t, proving to all of us that there is no point in watching them. So, you have a large portion of my generation who said screw it a long time ago.
Also, just to add, I am still pissed that Metallica did not win in 92 for best album. Proof that that album was good? It was #92 on the Billboard 200 LAST year, 24 years later.
Eden that is crazy about Metallica. Maybe counter culture groups like jugalos are into that?
As I said yesterday I think all black artists should stop submitting their work until soul/r’n’b and hip-hop get properly recognized in major categories. There’s no reason why excellent work in those genres never gets awarded unless it’s made “palatable” by white artists like Sam Smith, Adele or Macklemore.
Who cares?
Exactly.
The fans! She probably doesn’t care as much as the fans. Time for them to move on.
Agree…it’s kind of like the Oscars, I might watch a couple of the movies just because they are up for Oscars, but maybe not it just depends if it’s something I’m genuinely interested in at the time. I’m not going to go out and buy an entire album because that artist is up for a Grammy if I really don’t care for the artist or the music style to begin with. I like what I like. Period. These people have honestly already “won” at life, they are successful, people listen when they talk, sing, act, dance. Who cares about a gold statue anyway? I respect both Beyoncé and Adele, they both have the world by the balls as it is. Good for them.
I don’t think Beyonce cares about Grammys as much as her fans or other people do. I think she’s at the point where she knows the Grammy voters don’t care about her. She’s doing the music she wants to do now. I do think that the Grammys are somewhat racist. Most are older, white males. They are going to like and respect Adele more than Beyonce. 25 is a good album but it like Adele’s other albums – beautiful but not amazing. I think as an album Lemonade is great. It’s not about singles but the whole album. That’s what I think AOTY should be about.
Honestly, was Lemonade actually that good? I really think her biggest hit to date was “put a ring on it.” I know beyonce is incredible in the eyes of the beehive, but I think she’s pretty mediocre.
Completely agree. She has two hits, that annoying ring song and Crazy in Love which was good.
Also in England people don’t actually say African-American. They say black. I don’t think it was ill-intended from Adele.
This was my point. Even in the US not everyone wants to be African America
Even here in the US. I grew up in a very racially diverse area, and I’ve had black people laugh at me when I used “African-American.” I had one guy tell me, laughing, “You can just say, ‘black.'” And since then, that’s what I’ve used and no one has been offended (so far, knock on wood).
I think the bigger problem here is people consider not getting an ugly golden statue shaped like a turntable to be an act of violence. So Lemonade lost the Grammies. Big deal. The álbum still was widely succesful. And Beyonce boycotting the Grammies itself is a ridiculous idea since she already has won plenty of those.
I dont think Beyonce cares tbh.
It’s just a stupid award.
+1 – in an ideal world there shouldn’t be any awards – I think we’re all silly buying into that crap and pretending they really matter. Bob Marley, who is a legend and whose music will continue to stand the test of time, never received any Grammy while the Chainsmokers and Macklemore have one. But does it really make any difference? Who, in the future, will know that the Chainsmokers and Macklemore have a Grammy?
Agree…look at Jimmy Buffet, I really don’t know if he’s ever won a Grammy and I bet he doesn’t care. I’ve seen him in concert 20 times (seriously!), no, he’s not trying to change the world, but his music makes me happy and is relaxing and fun. He’s been around forever, people of all ages love him and now….I want a Margarita! Parrotheads forever!
Ok, as someone on the outside looking in ( I say that because I did not buy either album). The package that Beyonce gave was a movement, a story, and not owning a single song I know the lyrics because it was widespread and huge. Adeles music is great but from her whole album the only song I heard of is Hello….. doesn’t mean it’s not wonderful but the energy you get from an album …. Beyonce should have won based on that alone.
I’m not sure it is mainly down to racism. Many legendary white artists have never won a Grammy, e.g. The Smiths, Depeche Mode, Patti Smith – David Bowie only had 3 Grammy, including Best Video, before his death; while Beyonce and Kanye West have a huge number of Grammy.
I think it is more a cultural than racial issue – and they voted more based on commercial success than talent, artistry and forward-thinking. And it’s nothing new, just look at how Coldplay has twice as many Grammy as Radiohead (who have only had 3 Grammy in 22 years, again a lot less than Kanye and Bey).
And it’s not only about Beyonce, Rihanna didn’t win anything out of 8 nominations despite a great album; Kanye and Radiohead didn’t win anything either despite great albums while the Chainsmokers and Twenty one pilots did just because of their huge commercial success.
Adele’s album is boring but sold 20 million copies – I can’t even remember it being included in any 2016 best album list – while Beyonce topped most lists but sold less than 3 million (I think).
Beyoncé has countless Grammys so I doubt she’s that upset about it!…Maybe people shouldnt place so much “hype”about these awards cause they are infact unfair as it were…talking about the “best”whatever🙄….but just cause a album was hyped by the masses & it happens that a black person lost doesn’t mean everything is race related…& the “hype”over Beyoncé(whom I like)is waaaaaaaay to much…
Adele won. End of story. What I find distasteful is that Beyoncé’s minions feel anyone who win over her has to acknowledge or apologize to her for winning the award. Beyoncé has won awards before has she acknowledge or apologize for winning to anyone ?
Agree with this statement. It’s like Beyoncé is the only deserving artist ever or something. She didn’t win, so What? Not everyone liked 25 and not everyone liked Lemonade. TBH, I only saw huge and obsessive (I can’t think of another adjective to put there for intense living) coverage of Beyoncé’s album on this site. Everywhere else seemed kind of meh on it whereas with Adele it was all over the place.
As others have stated, it seems the goalpost keeps moving….is the “Album of the Year” Grammy based on artistic merit or record sales? I believe when Beyoncé lost the last time for “Album of the Year,” the rationale was based on artistic merit, this time it was record sales. Perhaps, Beyoncé didn’t care as much about the other top awards, but the “Album of the Year” award would have been an achievement. The Recording Academy is out of touch and always has been….David Bowie is just now being honored with a Grammy? Please.
The ratings for this year’s Grammy Awards were way up, no doubt to the appearance of both Adele and Beyoncé. For artists at their level, they don’t need the Grammys, the Grammys need them to stay relevant. If it were me, I wouldn’t make it a priority to participate going forward.
Hip hop, R&B, and Rap are not the only genres to generally be snubbed by the Grammys for the big categories. Over the last 25 years, only three country artists/song/albums have won the big awards. Country is almost never even nominated for those big awards. Hip hip, R&B, and Rap have been nominated for those big awards more than country has.
Latino music does not get to win big either. That is discrimination too. Some songs are really good!
This is ridiculous in my opinion. There are a lot of genres that don’t win album of the year ( they don’t even get nominated) and there are a lot of talented artists that are over looked and never win. Bowie had to die for them to give him an award. There are so many different awards that I’ve gone wtf? Over who won them and it wasn’t about race. Does racism exist, Absolutely, but not everyone thinks Lemonade was that great. I didnt want either of them to win. Are the Grammys out of touch? Yes, but again that didn’t start with Beyonce and it’s not like Adele is some underdeserving winner. I also think it was crappy of Adele to basically say her album didn’t deserve the award because of the other people who put their heart and soul in creating it but I think Adele knew she had to say something because she knew the backlash she was going to get for winning, which is sad.
Ugh, that’s the REALLY sad part. Why isn’t celebitchy talking about that? *cough doesn’t fit agenda cough* He had to die to get the award. DIE. That’s way more of a snub than Beyoncé not getting AOTY. But I guess that doesn’t matter to the majority of people here.
Genuine question- why is AOTY such an important Grammy? Why is this the one that everyone gets mad about instead of say, song of the year?
Also Beyoncé made history Sunday night by having 62 Grammy nominations. 62. That’s insane.
I think there’s probably some racism, along with a lot of other factors. But I’m not at all surprised Adele won – she’s like Meryl Streep, the academy loves her and will nominate and vote for whatever she does. I liked parts of her album, but haven’t listened to it the way I did her previous 2. And I haven’t listened to all of Beyonce’s to compare. Both women are killing it in the industry, and seem to like and respect each other, so it’d be nice if the media stopped pitting them against each other. (They don’t do that with male stars.)
The Grammys seem to be all about popular music only, and when people like Katy Perry or Justin Bieber get nominated, I kind of dismiss the whole thing. There are so many amazingly talented people out there who don’t get recognized because they aren’t as famous.
I think you hit the nail on the head: Adele is just the Meryl Streep of the music world. They’ll always be nominated and often win regardless of the quality of their work.
It’s a “competition”, that doesn’t have any rules. Just like the Oscars, they should stop saying the winner is and also just like the Oscars there are no rules that one can play by in order to get the statue. If you’re making making music to get that statue, you’re in it for the wrong reasons. Beyonce could care less about the “snub”, since it’s not an indication how validated you are as an artist. Is it more important to get the Grammy or have a wider reach to a listening audience?! As some commentators pointed out, most music I remember never won anything or won in categories that seem more like a consolation. Imagine the white Academy awarding seemingly andorogynous man with a statue?! Didn’t happen, but Ziggy Stardust was more influential than any Grammy will ever be. It’s a night out and if you don’t win, it’s not a merit how valid your music is. Take a clue from Rihanna. Grab a flask(note to self: buy one) and enjoy the evening. Work was the dance song this year and receiving a Grammy or not would not change that.
Also, do not dismiss the commercial success. God forbid, you’d make the music that speaks to the masses. If anything, you’d want that when you’re creating it.
Also boycotting it would seem ungrateful considering all the other Grammys she received in her career. Can we also please stop making Lemonade something it is not and yet it is trying to be. It’s not a holy book. I know more people who overwhelmingly don’t care for it than they do. I can’t remember any songs from it like I could let’s say from her previous albums (Single Ladies, Run the World, Crazy in Love). It means a lot to Beyonce and it’s political, redeeming and all kinds of things, but in the sphere of larger things, also not that memorable musically.
I thought this explanation made a lot of sense (and also think many of the voters are racist!):
http://www.vox.com/2017/2/13/14595352/adele-beat-beyonce-grammys-why
These awards are RARELY about the quality of the music, and I think it’s utterly ridiculous how people consider Beyoncé the second coming or something, like she discovered the cure for AIDS or singlehandedly wiped off hunger in Africa. The cult to celebrity on the U.S. is way out of hand. I mean, the president was a frickin’ reality TV ‘star’. I think you should take a hard look at yourselves and what you consider relevant these days. A little entertainment is okay, mindless adoration is just absurd.
@Gaby
I completely agree. We focus way too much on celebrity.
Oh puke. So she didn’t win and now it’s an issue? Go ahead, boycott. Who cares. You can’t win everything. Adele won. Be gracious B.
Where does it say she’s being ungracious? Yeah it’s just an award but it’s also about black artists not getting their due. Beyoncé has 22 and only 1 of them was from a non-black category.
And all of Dolly Parton’s wins are in the Country Music section.
Beyonce has not said a word.
I find it funny how lots of comments start out with “am I the only one or is she…… ” And then go on to put down a successful black woman. So what if she’s worshipped? Elvis and the Beatles were basically religion and even those of you that didn’t dig their music knew enough to respect them but somehow can’t just wrap your minds around a black woman being respected by lots of people. We have to work twice as hard to get half as much. Look where Madonna and Katy Perry got with little to no talent but it’s the talented black woman that gets called average”. So what Beyoncé thinks she’s the shit? She is the fucking shit and you will deal. Last night some lady on my twitter was talking about how she cant get into Bey because Bey thinks highly of herself and takes herself too seriously…. Why do you have a problem with a black woman being confident in her self and taking pride in her art? Why? Why do we have to be “humble” to be “liked”. If Justin Timberlake went up there and served the flawless visuals Beyoncé served on Grammy night, he’ll be lauded as innovative and genius not “try-hard and extra”. Why is Beyoncé a “control freak” for rehearsing well and giving a great performance while the white male would be called “dedicated” etc.
To the people who will come to tell me how they don’t have to like her, it’s not about liking her. It’s about giving her the least respect and not being so pressed that there are others that know she’s fucking good. Goddammit.
Adele went up there with a white football team and yet she still gets lauded as being a great songwriter And of course she had no producing credit. Beyoncé co-wrote and co-produced every single song on her album but “don’t ya know she stole the songs for royalties”. Drake had more writers and producers on his RAP album than Beyoncé had on an RnB album and not one person Batted an eyelid.
Ps: this is in response to yesterday’s post where all the racists were quick to call her average. And I would like an example of her stealing songWriting credits. I’m waiting to pull up the receipts on anybody who mentions neyo
Yesterday’s thread was transparent and in the back of my head, I had that little song “53%…53%…”
WHOOOOOOOO WEEE come with the receipts scar, i peeped as much myself, and I’m over it, I agree with Ramona Upthread as a whole the Black Delegation oughta pull a “nah” on their little awards until the recognition for the work reflects wtf is happening in music
Also Cute dovetail: This is why The NAACP and BET awards exist: Over this here particular girl and her excellence being denied even as she sat on a chair and tilted backwards pregnant, Over Prince Tributes being done by Madonna, Over Serena not getting a celebration proper of her magnificence,
http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/grammy/beyonc%c3%a9%e2%80%99s-grammy-snub-isn%e2%80%99t-just-an-oversight%e2%80%94it%e2%80%99s-a-real-problem/ar-AAmTg8N?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=SL5JDHP
Really, as I said above, this again makes me realize how tiring it must be to be a black woman, having to deal with this constantly. Don’t know how you do it.
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I’m legit copying this for the next time the bitterness in a Beyoncé thread gets to be much too again.
Lynnie: same here… Scar’s comment is literally the last one I want to read on this subject.
Lynne, a critic once said of Beyonc And Jay’s On The Run Tour, “it’s so perfect its bad” and then went on to tear down the tour for being too perfect. Her problem was that there Was no room for errors. Jay sang when he was meant to and Bey and her dancers were ever in sync and it seemed robotic and you could see that they rehearsed for weeks to avoid mistakes! A critic legit said it. A critic hated that they went up there and did their families and gave their fans what they came and paid for. It was “too perfect” that was the problem. It’s almost like they can’t handle our excellence and have to put us down to feel better about themselves. Charlemagne the god gets all the side eye from me but I’ll always love him for his clapbacks to that critic
@Scar Omg that’s ridiculous 😒. Like you said below the detractors aren’t slick. I don’t think I would have even be half as annoyed if they just said that they didn’t like Beyoncé and just leave it at that. It’s the bending over backwards to justify their (ridiculous) nitpicking and hatred (as seen in that critic’s review) that’s maddening. At the very least they could be less transparent with it.
Scar, Kate, QQ… I just love y’all. Honestly, truly.
We’re here, we see one another boo, you know it, I know it we still Always Have Us
*peeks in shyly* Can I join the love fest too lol
Lynnie! 🤗 I love you too boo! You’ve been holding it down in these rough CB streets, I can’t do it anymore but I’ve been watching for sure.
Awwww 🙈😊
Your comments are always so on point ❤️
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Uh, just because I don’t like Beyoncé doesn’t mean I’m racist. Lord, do I have to obsess over her just because she’s black?! I do think she thinks too highly of herself but throw me another name of someone in the industry and i will say the exact same thing (Timberlake, Bieber, Swift, Middletons, Lovato, the list goes on). I appreciate humility. I like celebs that disappear (Jake Gyllenhaal, Colin Firth) when they aren’t working on something. People are allowed to have their own opinions without being insulted and accused by you.
Who said you have to like her. All I said is don’t put her down. Don’t call her average because you want to sing Adele’s praises. She can never be average. Not even if she tried. If there is one celebrity that disappears it’s Beyoncé! She literally does not even promote her work anymore so she can be not in your face. Her pregnancy announcement was her first personal post on instagram since she campaigned for Hillary in November. The Grammy’s was her first sighting since November! Tell me about that disappearing thing again come on. All Beyoncé does is put out records, avoid any kind of promotion, show up on time to her shows to give the fans their money’s worth, eat her vegetables, does her squats, minds her business while being very humble and pregnant with twins. But nope, that’s not enough. “can’t she disappear completely? Can’t she shrink herself some more? Goddammit can’t people stop loving her? Can’t she stop being awesome? ”
Nobody said you have to even rate her or obsess over her but don’t put her down. She’s winning whether you obsess or not.
And oh “lots of people obsess over this woman so lemme obsess in the opposite direction”. That’s exactly what y’all are doing and we notice it. Y’all ain’t slick. I’ll always maintain that Beyoncé haters are even worse than her Stan’s because y’all fall over yourselves nitpicking to find faults so you can feel better about hating.
There is no doubt she’s talented as hell. I just don’t feel she is humble but many celebs aren’t. I meant disappear in the sense that they aren’t even celebrities. You never hear about Colin firth even when he’s promoting a movie. That’s a very small population in Hollywood. I find celebrities entertain because they’re so ridiculous but I can’t say I appreciate them as people. 99% of them come across as so self absorbed. I think there has to be a slight narcissism complex to be a celeb.
Why should she have to be humble, for real?!
Hey, I have NO problem saying that Madonna, Katy Perry, Elvis, and the Beatles are/were ALL overrated.
Still haven’t heard lemonade…it’s just not a priority for me….lots of vocalists (which she is) hire good people to work for them and make them look good. It’s smart. Beyonce may not be writing songs from start to finish, but she is employing very talented people and collaborating with them to get something great.
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No one is dismissing that B has talent. She just didn’t win this year. Why is that a snub? Would it be a snub if Adele didn’t win? No. Madonna and Katy Perry suck and it has zero to do with color. It’s interesting to read how you’re considered racist if you defend Adele. That’s insane. No one is saying that prejudice doesn’t exist. It does and it’s gross. But not everything is about race. She didn’t win, let’s move forward.
I’m convinced there always has to be at least one comment on threads (any thread not just Beyoncé ones) where even though people are having dialogue about why this is happening and what it means directly above them, and even though there have been numerous threads and instances unpacking why this is a repeated problem, someone’s always gotta be like “Nope. Still confused.” Is it ignorance? People legitimately not getting it? Or a refusal to listen/change their mind?Who knows. I do know that it is annoying though.
As someone said above, racism doesn’t always have to be explicit (the phrase institutional racism exists for a reason) for it to still occur. No one’s calling Adele fans racists they’re just explaining why her speech could be misconstrued/have icky overtones. (For what it’s worth I believe Adele meant well, but I see where other people are coming from.)
Also you can’t move forward if you refuse to look and examine the past. The Grammys have been brushing this problem under their rug for wayyyyy too long and it’s high time they start confronting it.
I do not in anyway think what has occurred should be ignored. I am also not ignorant and think prejudice is ok, ever. I can only speak for myself when I ask, if one does try to make an effort and still gets accused of thinking in a prejudice way, how do we heal? As a mother I have only taught my child to accept and love all people. People are either nice or they’re not. We have taught her about the past, the present and hopefully her future. She does not see color. Period. Neither do I. What has occurred is a gross injustice. With that said, I am also sick of being accused of being prejudice because I am white. That’s ignorant. I pray that our children rise above it. Just because people don’t love B doesn’t make them racist. I’m not accusing you, but yes some people automatically throw that out there and her color has zero to do with it. Music is music. It can’t really be judged. Just my opinion, I hope I didn’t offend anyone. I would never, and if I did, I am deeply sorry.
I feel sad that you don’t seem to make the actual effort to examine racism, institutional racism and white privelige as is clear from your comments about your hurt feelings.
Really, do you want applause for raising your child colorblind? (which as studies constantly show isn’t actually possible and is even detrimental to creating a more equal world => you can find lots of research on this and tips on how to raise your children in a way that actively teaches them acceptance and equality).
I’m not black, but in a world where a black boy like Tamir Rice can get killed for playing in a playground your way of thinking is dangerous. I really don’t know how black people deal with your brand of ignorance all the time. It must be so tiring to constantly have to pay lipservice to white people who want to be praised for doing the bare minimum.
First thing I thought about all this was “it is just the grammy’s… can we please put our fighting energy into actually important things” but the more I think about it, the more it bothers me that a successful black artist is still relegated to urban categories; and treating that urban tag as less “artistic” than other mainstream genres.
Now, even I really don’t like beyonce (I find her overrated most times) the impact she has worldwide is undeniable, and she has helped to widen important racial conversations.
And here is where I’m lost. I don’t think she necessarily HAD TO WIN. I mean that even if Lemonade is her best album, if Adele’s was better she shouldn’t win. But then again, what are the parameters for winning or even be consider in certain categories? How they compare completely different albums from different genres and decide one is better that the others?
Vote once I assume. Perhaps tiered voting would mean the more popular artist would win?
There are a lot of genres that are relegated to their genre only and hardly if ever win the big awards. Some genres are never even nominated for those big categories.
Bey will not be boycotting the Grammys, they are just another platform for her staying power. She already said as much in her lyrics. “Always stay gracious, best revenge is your papers”. (Formation).
Besides, we are STILL listening to Single Ladies, Independant Women and so many other of her songs years later – they literally come up on CNBC segment openings (hosted by white dudes on Wall Street) to NPR Marketplace to house parties and clubs. Beyonce doesn’t need validation from the Grammy’s, it’s the OTHER WAY around: the Grammy’s need Beyonce to show up. #Next #BlackGirlMagic #TheGrammysAreIrrelevant
I like B, but . . .
– her concerts are pre-recorded tracks (artificial musicians – synthesized music) no band
– her Grammys set was excessively pretentious, way too long and too-illuminati (clearly JZ’s been takin’ a little too much illuminati juice lately)
– her sets are primarily dance / voice and vocals are secondary
– her songs are typically more dance, less feeling, and rarely appeal to all generations of listeners
In contrast, Adel’s concerts are LIVE with band, and her sets are primarily/secondarily/always voice first, and most often appeal to all generations of listeners
IMO, if I were a voting member of the Grammys, in short summary, B’s music lacks universal appeal . . . while Adel’s music does, and that’s why Adel WINS and B loses.
Martin
You’ve obviously never been to a Beyoncé concert. Sorry, I forgot you were just trolling
I love you scar. Martin, you are canceled.
Haha, I don’t know what Beyoncé is like live. Her concerts are always sold out within minutes and I’ve been trying for years to get a ticket. I have seen her performances on tv and those are so good that last time she came to the Netherlands I took a vacation day to try and get tickets. I think you show who you really are by referencing the illuminati thing. I can’t take your arguments seriously now.
Adèle bores me to tears. She seems like a nice person, but her music is so bland. She really should hire some interesting writers and do something more.
I love Beyoncé. And I love Adele. I wish Beyoncé had won more awards at the Grammys but I am also proud of Adele for her wins.
The Grammys may be inherently racist NOW but back in the early ’80s they sure loved Michael Jackson…in fact, I believe it was Michael who holds the record for most Grammy wins in one night.
At the end of the day, these awards are basically meaningless because people who love these artists will buy their music, with or without a Grammy award.
Art is subjective which is why it remains silly to even attempt to hand out awards for being “the best of” it. You can say something is more popular than the rest but the best to one person is not the best to the next person. Arguing over what artist is the best is just as fruitful of a task as trying to teach your pet to read. It’s a complete waste of time 🙂
She could learn to sing.
Or she could heal your ears from their tone-deafness.
These awards are all pretty ridiculous anyway. Who’s really qualified to compare one person’s music to another’s and declare it the best? Music is art and what’s good is subjective according to what the listener likes or values. They were both good…can’t we just leave it at that?
We all have differing opinions. Personally, I think Adele produces better music. I got yelled at because I said I felt more ‘soul’ from Adele’s music than Beyonce’s. I think Beyonce is beautiful and can be a talented singer, with the right songs (man, I like it much better when she sings something as simple as Ave Maria). I just don’t get why everyone treats her like a queen. She’s extraordinary to her fans. I will never forget how classy she was in letting an aggressive fan stay after security wanted to haul him out. All the same, she’s just a respectable person. I guess she gets built up because she’s in the public eye, but I’m not going to idolize anyone in that way. They’re both great. Matter of opinion.
Yes, art is a big deal. Being recognized as an artist is a big deal. Not being recognized consistently, fairly or appropriately as a entire color group, in every genre, is a big f-ing deal…even though I suspect those who don’t deal with the dual reality of being black and never being considered worthy enough on a daily basis wouldn’t get it, I still say its a big deal. We operate underneath the guise of equality yet have to jump through hoops of fire and whine tremendously to be considered in the same light as our white counter parts. F these crumbs. We want and need a seat at the table. Are we talented enough, hell yes. No, we should attend these awards at all. We have our own avenues created due to this very phenomenon and we should support those outlets. Make them the shining beacons of our talent and withhold our talent from these “mainstream” award shows. I guarantee once Black people leave the building it wont be main stream anymore…if watchable at all. word.
Except she wasn’t snubbed. She received multiple nominations.
Not everything is racially motivated celebitchy. If you put Adele and Beyoncé behind a curtain and only compared their achievements based off of their talent and what they have accomplished; Adele would still have won hands down. I am not a fan of either of them in terms of my musical preferences but Adeles talent is exponentially greater. Stop pandering to the “everything is racist” it’s not.
I wouldn’t blame black artists for not attending or submitting their work for the Grammy’s next year. A message needs to be sent. Lemonade was far and away the album of the year for 2016 and I am heartbroken for Beyonce even though I don’t think she was surprised by the results. I love Adele, but we all know why she won and it isn’t just for her talent.
yadda yadda yadda these awards mean NOTHING. I don’t understand why artists are still (and fans?) taking it oh-so seriously.
Methinks the Frank Ocean burn on 1989 is deserving of its own post!
Beyoncé thinks very highly of herself. Adele comes across as authentic. I think there’s something to the accessibility Adele affords, that people respond to. Beyoncé? Not so much.
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A religious symbol is not a costume. Celebitchy is normally very strict about white people dressing as indians or black people. The headpiece of Beyonce implies the image of virgin Mary and that is not okay. I’m glad, she was snubbed at the Grammys.
She’s dressed as the African goddess Oshun…
Her headpiece is clearly a catholic symbol. But she is not the first person to abuse it.
Virgin Mary = https://www.google.de/search?q=virgin+mary&biw=1600&bih=747&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwisvOiimJLSAhXGOhQKHTuKCNsQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=_
Oshun = https://www.google.de/search?q=oshun&biw=1600&bih=747&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiNvLXqmJLSAhVDcRQKHU80C9sQ_AUIBigB
You can see the “headpieces” more clearly here in the gallery:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Sorrows