Personally, I’m enjoying everything about Prince Harry’s relationship with Meghan Markle. I’m enjoying the fan-meltdowns, the conspiracy theories, the obvious PR plants (from both sides) and I’m enjoying the fact that Harry really does seem to be serious about – and serious about settling down with – an American actress. We heard on Friday that Meghan and Harry were meeting up in Jamaica for Harry’s friend’s wedding. I really hoped that we would have photos and LOOK WHAT HAPPENED! The paparazzi turned up in Jamaica – I imagine that was a fun gig – and got some really great shots of Meghan and Harry sitting together at the reception.
Every media outlet is reporting this as a HUGE deal. And I agree, it is a big deal. While the vibe of the photos is different, these pics remind me so much of those photos of William and Kate just before they announced their engagement – Kate and Will went to a friend’s wedding just a few weeks before the announcement, and there was a definite air of pap-stroll around them. People Mag has some additional details about Harry and Meghan’s behavior at the wedding:
The couple is in the Caribbean to witness the wedding of Tom “Skippy” Inskip and literary agent Lara Hughes-Young. Inskip and Harry are childhood friends — they met at Eton College and Inskip is popularly said to have been Harry’s “wingman” on rowdy evenings out during their younger days. For the nuptials, Markle wore a long floral dress and sunglasses as the royal, who was one of 14 ushers, suited up in a navy blue blazer and trousers.
During the wedding, an onlooker tells PEOPLE that the two shared plenty of PDA, including a sweet kiss.
“Harry and Meghan seem very much in love,” the source said, adding that Harry spent much of his time introducing Markle to friends during the “joyful” wedding. At one point, the onlooker says that Harry got up and “did a little dance” for Markle.
According to local reports, Harry – accompanied by a heavy security detail, as the Jamaica Observer put it — arrived at the international airport at Montego Bay on Wednesday afternoon. Markle is believed to have flown in separately from her home in Toronto. The outlet says that the royal is planning to stay in the Caribbean for a week. The wedding party is thought to be staying at the Round Hill Hotel and Resort in Montego Bay. The 110-acre private enclave features luxury villas and oceanfront rooms.
I would imagine Harry’s little dance was something dorky rather than a Magic-Mike-esque grind-fest, although I would love to see Harry attempt some kind of Magic Mike dance. As for the rest of it… I wonder if Meghan is planning on spending a full week in Jamaica too?
Incidentally, some people yelled at me for assuming that Meghan borrowed someone’s private plane for the trip down to Jamaica. I just felt like… she’s an actress on a cable show and she’s not even the third lead. It costs a lot of money to simply rent a private plane for this kind of trip. It would be like Nathalie Emmanuel from Game of Thrones took a private plane somewhere to meet a boyfriend. Isn’t there a pretty good chance that Meghan or Harry simply had a generous, rich and well-connected friend who lent Meghan a plane for the day?
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
I really liked the brides dress, it looked like a white version of Kiera Knightleys beautiful green dress in Atonement.
Me too.
That dress and the bride herself were gorgeous.
It was the perfect dress for an island wedding. She looked so lovely.
Can someone share a link? I want to see the bride’s dress, but can’t find any pics!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4280566/Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-friend-s-wedding.html
I don’t buy it. The body language isn’t great between them.
Funny how everyone is a body language expert now.
I don’t think one has to be a body-language expert to see that she is all over him in every picture and he’s turned away from her or looking away. I like Meghan and Harry and was hoping this might be “the one” for them, so I was surprised and kind of sad to see these pics. It may have just been an off-day or an off-hour, but maybe Meghan should hold back just a little bit. Harry is one of the most eligible bachelors in the world, and he might like the sense that to win her is an achievement. Yeah, I know that’s kind of an archaic male/female construct, but the monarchy itself is archaic, and so is male enjoyment of the chase, but both are still with us.
I agree – he looks uncomfortable and she is all over him. Could be that he doesn’t like the public attention, but “loved up” is certainly not what I’m seeing.
Yeah, I’ve talked plenty of smack about Kate and in the interest of being fair if these pictures were W and K, people would be ripping on K for being clingy. I’m suprised that the affection is mostly by her directed at him unless she was reassuring him or comforting him about something.
My husband and I are married five years, together 7, and this is literally us in public. He HATES pda, and I’m constantly touching him/adoring him and he’s just like please stop touching me in public. I can assure you he loves me even more than I love him, especially behind closed doors.
Harry does not look loved up. Meghan looks clingy.
Her dress is beautiful, she looks great, he is a lucky man. Yet it doesn’t seem like he is as into her as she is into him. In almost every picture, she is touching him, holding onto him, and he is turned away or closed up. Maybe he is just not into PDA, but I remember seeing pics of he and Chelsea and Cressida, and he was a lot more into them.
It doesn’t take a body language expert to see who seems to be more interested here. Just from these pictures, I don’t see how anyone can say “they are loved up. She is. He seems over it.
yes it does! I love KK’s green dress and this looks so similar.
Wedding 2018. Love them together.
(Firstly, I’m not THAT Amy!)
There are an amazing amount of photos of these two from this wedding, not just the ones on this page – as much as I hate to give the Daily Mail clicks, I thoroughly recommend you go check out their article if you also enjoy a good stalk.
But…all of the photos of them “being affectionate” are not “them” – it’s just Meghan. Don’t get me wrong, I would hold on to the Ginger Prince for dear life too, but I think the narrative of how “they’re both so into each other” is not at all furthered from these photos. In fact, from doing a possibly completely unfounded Photo Assumption, his body language is not into it at all. I’d counter-argue that with the fact that these are only a few photos of one brief conversation, but the DM has photos from a long period of time throughout the wedding, with different people at different places etc. and it really looks like it’s all her.
I dunno, I just think these photos support the position of the Harry-stans rather than the angle that People is pushing for…
My ten second (very) amateur body language analysis reveals…..she is physically staking her claim on him, and…..he couldn’t care less. It does look one-sided, however you maybe could assume that from someone schooled from childhood in withholding their true feelings in public settings. Haha, this is fun!
Harry looked more comfortable around his friends when photographed on the loungers in the sun.
I agree body language puts her as holding onto him rather than mutual affection. No one is saying they have to be making out (because that would say something else to me too) but it is lopsoded affetion.
However this is one snap so I guess we shall see as this unfolds more publically. Frankly I never followed Harry’s relationships so I couldn’t even say whether this was normal for him?
I haven’t followed them much, but yeah, she’s holding onto him all right.
I have to agree, too. She’s looking a bit more solicitous and affectionate than he is. If this is just his MO in public, I can understand. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see if there’s more to it.
My thoughts exactly.
I guess I don’t see an “oh oh!” here, or on the DM….. I think at most, it looks like she is consoling him about something. More likely he just hit a travel-tired wall.
That seems to be the consensus, but I don’t understand what she gets out of being clingy. If they’re in love, more power to them. If they’re mutually using each other for image/publicity, have at it. But why would an American with a successful career want to be the next waity?
She wouldn’t be the next Waity, as she earns her own money and knows how to live away from her mummy. She would be someone who, by marriage, would have a huge global platform to do charity work – or not. KM has that as well, and chooses to do nothing. Someone else in that role could do something else entirely.
@Nota- That’s a good perspective. I am fully prepared to be #TeamMeghan. If her end game is having a global platform, I am onboard with that. I just hate the narrative of the desperate woman that always seems to accompany royal romance threads.
It could be that Harry is annoyed since he knows that he is being papped? Or is receiving a lot more attention than usual cuz he has his gf with him? Could be why the affectionate body language seems one sided
I think she is more into him than he is into her. I just looked up pictures of Harry and Chelsy Davy- he was very warm to her. Cressida, also, but not as much as Chelsy. Hadn’t thought much of it but after seeing those pics of him with Chelsy, then with Meghan, I think Chelsy was the One True Love for him.
Sad!
Not everyone likes to do PDA. Some people just aren’t into that. So without knowing what they’re thinking, I would give them the benefit of the doubt since plenty of people dislike PDA. Nothing wrong with that.
Harry has been well trained to control his emotions in public. And he knew he was being photographed. I think the fact Meghan was at the wedding shows how loved up they are. I hope we get an engagement soon.
+100 on Megan’s comment. Harry comes from a background where PDA at “press events” is basically forbidden, and at the moment the pictures were taken, that’s what this would feel like, a press event. He knows and doubtless consented to being photographed. Note they got a clear shot of Harry and Meghan, perfectly angled, and the pictures seem to show only a 5-10 minute window of time in the course of a long night. He knew the cameras were there and he wanted them there, but I expect he was also looking forward to getting on with the rest of his night. It would be difficult to “act natural” when you know there are cameramen getting clear shot of you, all the while you’re expected to act like they aren’t there. Meghan does a better job of acting natural, but as an actress she would also have had plenty of professional experience masking the discomfort that comes around the presence of a camera. I suspect rules were put in place regarding what moments the photographers were permitted to capture, and also that Harry’s PR people had pre-approval on the pics.
The fact that the pictures were released at all shows how serious Harry is about her. I love them together and I want them to get maaarrriied. I want to ooh and aaah over her dress, and I want to have something else to think about for a few minutes other than our Terrifying President.
But Harry usually is the exception. He wears his feelings on his sleeves so frankly I’m surprised at his lack of affection. Or perhaps his lack of public affection is him exercising control of his feeling to show respect for his future princess? Who knows but it is different from the usual ginger prince behavior.
That said he obviously is comfortable with Meghan being super affectionate.
P.S. This is my first time really commenting on this couple, I’ve been Team Switzerland waiting for pics. I will be happy with whatever makes Harry happy.
There are very similar photos of him with Chelsy. She’s leaning into him, her hands are on his arm or around him and he’s sitting straight. Maybe he just prefers affectionate women.
Photos of him and Cressida sharing PDA seem to be almost nonexistent though. There’s one of her kissing his cheek and one of him hugging her on ski slopes and that’s about it.
My guess is that he’s probably pretty affectionate in private, but less so in public. Both Meghan and Chelsy look loving but not needy in their respective photos with him, imo.
Go look up pictures of Harry and Chelsy and Harry and Cressida. He never seemed to be against PDA with them. I don’t think this is what everyone here is wishing for. Meghan looks really clingly and thirsty here, and I think Harry likes the hard to get girl.
I was thinking the same thing (that she’s doing all the PDA while he’s a bit closed off) but maybe it’s just him being aware of the cameras and doesn’t want to give them a show.
“Lord, this person doesn’t talk half much. Whos sister is she again? Think, think… How long is this story about those people she went to school with anyway? If she’d only stop talking for five seconds, I could make an excuse and sneak inside for a bit. Damn mosquitos…. Aaand several people at the bar are filming me. Great. Stop patting me, Meg, I’m not sulking!”
Ankhel — exactly how I see it. (V funny too! :-))
I dont think the lack of PDA means anything. My husband is like Harry, we dont even hold hands unless I grab his and we’ve been married 4 years. Some people arent publucly affectionate. I’m usually rubbing on him like Megan is. He definitely cares about her, his statement telling people to leave her alone spoke volumes to me. Harry strikes me as a protective caring person. The more people attack her, the more he’s going to be by her side. And that’s awesome, i have tons of respect for him coming to her defense. Shows his character as im sure he’s gotten plenty of flack for a mixed woman.
I think they seem comfortable and confident with each other. They have been dating for a little while and probably don’t feel the need to be all over each other in public (and in front of cameras!) I don’t know, I got good vides coming from them. And they look so nice together!
+1
+2. Plus the fact that he’s ok-ing the release of these photos indicates that they’re serious.
If he okayed the photographs then I am sure he must know it would mean something to at the very least show a tiny bit of interest in the woman who is trying to be loving towards him.If it were my daughter, my heart would break looking at these photographs- Unless he has bleeding hemorrhoids or rectal prolapse and is in pain, there is no need to be so cold- He is usually very ‘hands on’ with his long-term relationships- She is so warm towards him and from these photographs he is so disinterested in her.
Lol which Amy?
Amy with Cumberbatchitis.
LOL!
Doesn’t look like she had to bribe him into holding hands with her at the table infront of the waiter. They were having conversations with a few people at the wedding reception in the afternoon. It definitely wasn’t a long period of time. Maybe he got a bit tired after speding time in the sun and having a jet lag. Who knows. But I see a couple who is comfortable with each other, he seems interested in what she has to say and there were a few pics outsied the church where she had her hand on his back on from the looks of it (his stance) so did he. I love getting new pics, but I hate that people are always so quick to judge. She wouldn’t be there if he didn’t want her to be there.
I think he knows they are being papped and he’s letting them get their shots but isn’t happy about it. She’s trying to put on a good face and get him through it.
You. Can’t. Analyse. Body. Language. From. A. Couple. Of. Still. Photos. Taken. Over. An. Entire. Day.
FFS.
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Come on, people are just having a bit of photo-assumption fun. It’s not like we’re diagnosing disorders or prescribing meds here.
ROFL.
If someone were to analyze the body language of Mr. Suze and I from some of the photos taken of us, they would be used as the basis for the next series of “Serial.”
You won’t talk fashion. You won’t talk body language Can we talk about saying “Yeah Man” instead of “I will”? And how sweet is the Duchess of York to give the pastor a photo.
Oh! Graymatters! That is perfect. We should write hipster vows for Harry and Meghan. This will add to the overall Flying Elvi feel of the nuptials.
Suze – same!
Had a smagll giggle at the comments below the referenced Kate Middleton story. She was “smug,” their body language was “off,” and very single person agreed that the marriage would never happen. But it was, in fact, their first outing post engagement. They got engaged whilst in Kenya. They were engaged for about two weeks before announcing it.
Harry and Meghan look happy, but that’s all I can say from what few pictures I’ve seen.
Eh, we over-analyze W&K photos all the time on this blog…why can’t it be done with them!
+a gazillion. Plus, he was probably moody with all the pap photos. I am guessing he didn’t think they would have such access. They will be engaged by the end of the summer! My prediction!
I have to agree, Amy. He looks really drunk and bored and just not into her, while she is literally grabbing him…
My gut instinct is to believe the engagement rumors. I think they are aware that they are sending a message with this appearance and she’s playing to the cameras and he’s trying to play it cool. I like her I think she’s definitely aware that she’s not just (possibly) marrying Harry but she’s going to take on a role as a global figure and she seems to want to do more then sit at Wimbledon games. So I’m looking forward to see what she does.
The problem with using pictures to make claims about a couples relationship is that a picture shows a second of time. Video is just more accurate. I’ll never forget the picture of Condoleezza Rice brushing her hair out of her face. A single picture from the moment made it look like she was touching her head in a moment of fatigue.
Yeah, it’s like that photo of Justin Trudeau with Trump. The video shows that he reached over to shake Trump’s hand pretty much immediately, but the photo captured that initial split-second.
Looking at the pictures, the first thing I noticed was she was doing the touching and he was kind of not paying much attention to her. He wasn’t looking at or talking to her, seemed like he was ignoring her. I hope it was just like that in these pictures, and they’re happy together
I have to admit that was my first thought too after rummaging through all the photos that the DM posted of the day, not just the ones here. I hope they only tell 5% of the story, because there are photos of him with past gfs where he’s laughing and looks happier to be with them.
Assuming he really likes Meg and the DM deliberately left out the snaps that would demonstrate that, he’s doing a good job of not performing for the paps in these photos and she appears to be going overboard to make up for it.
*shrug*
I never expected this to be the romance of the century, nor do I expect them to be married 20 years from now.
On a positive note, she’s gorgeous, and I really like her dress.
I can’t help but wonder if he acts one way when it’s just the two of them and then another way completely when in front of people, in which case lord help that girl’s psyche. I was in a relationship like that for a long time and it wears on you. And yes, I understand the difference between being on a private date vs. being at someone’s wedding, but there’s something to be said for being treated the same across the board. But, to be fair, these are just a couple of snapshots so it’s unfair to pass judgement, and I might be a little jaded from my own experience.
Bring on the trolls – I wonder what they will come up with to support their ‘fake news/pushy Meghan’ narrative.
Love these shots and like her dress. Its the same Erdem style that Katie Keen wore to that Women in Hedge funds event a few years ago and she looked terrible in it (bad styling and awful alterations).
They do look quite happy together. Good for them.
FLYING ELVI is coming!!!!
PS the brides dress was lovely.
Yes! Where are all the commentors saying they didn’t believe Meghan was in Jamaica? (When I read the comments on the CB article the other day I had already seen the pictures. I was enjoying the schadenfreude even then.)
It’s the same designer and from the same collection that had dust ruffles on all the long dresses, but it’s not the same dress.
Katie Keen has the ‘alouette’ dress.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Bj6K2jDKGoM/VjFijtmrTQI/AAAAAAAASNA/igyxuyb02Oo/s1600/kate%2Bmiddleton%2Berdem%2Balouette%2Bdress%2B700.png
Whilst MM is wearing the ‘ava’ dress:
http://cdn.picvpicimg.com/products/5366740/black-slash-gold/38489379/ava-metallic-fil-coupe-gown-standard.jpg
I prefer the Ava dress – it seems to ‘sit’ better than the alouette. But I still maintain that Katie Keen altered that dress in some way – the skirt just didn’t seem to sit well. Also the top and bottom designs didn’t match up and I would expect that from a designer like Erdem, esp if they were dressing a celeb.
I think the fabric makes the dress. The ava dress is made from silk organza which flows like chiffon unlike the Alouette dress which is made from silk gazar fabric which tends to be stiff and holds shape rather than flow.
The dress works so much better in the darker colors.
MM’s dress is hideous whoever designed it.
Thanks LAK. I loved Meghan’s dress, and she is a beautiful woman. Fingers crossed!
Brides dress was lovely, I hate the Erdem dress but even its ugliness (to my eyes) does not detract from Meghan’s loveliness.
It was a definite good dress to wear to fit in with that crowd. Not flashy. Not actressy. Very Brit upper class goes to a wedding.
I thought the dress worn by Markle was really beautiful.
They make a really good looking pair. I hope they do get married, they have potential to be a real power couple.
Indeed they do. And their babies will be so pretty!
Re: private plane. There are plenty of ride-share services which bring down the cost of flying private. Also, it’s possible she flew on a small Cessna – much cheaper than the big Boeing jets. Bring on the trolls!
ITA – and given the circles these people move in, a private plane is no big deal, most are very wealthy hedge fund/land owner types. The DoLittles used the Duke of Westminster’s private jet often enough.
People really overreacted (I got called low key racist and I’m black now it’s hinted that somehow agreeing with Kaiser is trolling ). It’s pretty likely she like the majority of celebrities got a free ride on a private plane. Just like when you see a celebrity on a yacht it’s likely not their yacht. Or when you see a celebrity designer wearing clothes they’ve likely been sent freebies. That’s just the way it is for more most in that tier.
Meghan doesn’t have hedge fund or Middleton money. She’s on a show on the USA network.
Who says the Middletons have money – Uncle Gary yes (he’s a multi millionaire) but Kate’s own family, nope. That was all PR hype – PP doesn’t make them the kind of money where they can afford private planes on their own. They had to remortgage their house to pay for Kate’s wedding dress.
As I said above, Harry moves in circles where people have the money for private jets and its very likely she was offered a seat on one already chartered for the wedding. Same for the Middletons, they have contacts (via William) where they get stuff for free/heavily comped. Holly Branson (Richard Branson daughter) is/was a close friend of Kate’s/Pippa’s and its not stretch to say that it was via her that they could get comped/free flights to Mustique every year.
Luca76: the Middleton wealth is not private jet money. They receive a lot of freebies including all those holidays they take including a permanent ex-employee discount from British Airways.
They befriend a lot of very wealthy people who allow them to use their properties for free which gives *them* the appearance of wealth. They also ask for discounts everywhere they go. Now that William is part of their family, I bet they ask for royal discount which Kate was known to do as a GF.
Granted they have money, but it is not anywhere near the public have been led to believe.
Now Terribly Rich James is properly wealthy. His personal toys are testament to that ie £17M townhouse + a private plane + part share in that family resort in St Barts.
Digital Unicorn, did you see the DM article about Uncle Gary’s La Bang Bang, I think he is renaming it? It was over the weekend, but I can’t find it now. Hmmm…Anyhoo, it said he wanted to rent it out for $20,000 per week and they had a couple pictures of the contemporary art in his home. One of statue of a bull dog with multicolored paint dripping down it and one painting of giant gold lips with YSL? or some designer logo all over them. They aren’t things I would buy, but what do I know?
LAK, wasn’t there a report they demanded the “royal discount” for the Middletons As the Real Royal Family Boxing Day Shoot?
@NOTA – yes, it was reported that Carole negotiated a discount and IIRC the owner of the shoot company specifically said it was requested because of the ‘royal’ connection. I also suspect they put in the free PR carrot as the story was def leaked to the Fail by the Mids or someone close to them.
Ahh thanks guys .
She is gorgeous, smart, gives great speeches , and etc. She will totally overshadow Katie Keen. The two of them will definitely be a power couple! Can’t wait to see their wedding onTV. Bring on the popcorn and the Flying Elvi in honor of Sixer and others–who hold dear to the Flying Elvi😀
That dress is hideous. It looks so similar to the one Kate wore to the 100WHF dinner in 2015, but in a different print and with even more ruffles.
I love the dress. It’s perfect for a wedding in Jamaica. And she’s so so stunning.
She looks great, and I’d happily wear that dress. It’s very appropriate for a wedding in the tropics.
I like the dress, too, but it should have been shortened to where it just barely swept the ground. That’s a whole lot of fabric for her height.
Yes thank you! I think she’s great but omg I had a moment when I thought it was the same as Kate’s. I don’t know why that pattern is the hot new thing but it’s not my style. Eh.
Oh, the dress is designed to fit into the British upper class aesthetic. Erdem is big among royals and aristocratic ladies.
Meghan did the right thing here. I can’t say she wears that style any better than Katie Keen, but I think they both make it look as good as it will get.
The dress isn’t my favorite but she did the right thing and wore something appropriate but not show-stealing. Imagine all the vulgar American actress talk we’d hear if she’d worn something body con, brightly colored or (gasp)short?
@Trixie, not my style (I don’t like Erdem generally, if this IS Erdem) but I think it looks great on her, and certainly appropriate for the ambiance of the wedding. Less crazy about the hair, though, I would have liked it more up as the neckline is so high and the big flowers, I think opening up some space at the top would have been nice. But I feel that way about a lot of Princesses these days: Kate, Mary – I always want to scream at them “Put the damn hair up you’re not 20!” And when they do it always looks so much more elegant. I think exposed necks are very sexy in a very nice way. But that’s just me. But the dress looks right on her and she clearly has gorgeous legs.
I actually think the Erdem dress Kate wore on the occasion you mention was hideous – this one MM is wearing is much nicer. It looks unforced – so much of Erdem’s flowery stuff looks so self-conscious.
Time to abolish this free loading family
Amen to that.
+100
Yep
+ infinite
Co-sign
Why? Did you feel that way when PW and KatieWatey who never worked were dating?
Looking at the body language, Meghan is much more into Harry- Harry seems indifferent and looked away in some photos. The physical contact is from Meghan. I think it’s cooled from Harry’s point of view, he’s thinking of dating others now.
Look at photo of them where Harry’s got his hands by his side while Meghan holds his hand. I think Harry doesn’t have a lot of support for this relationship from his closest friends and it’s influencing his decision to break it off.
You got all that from one or two photos?
I saw more photos from other sites including Pop sugar. None of the affection seemed initiated by Harry.
I saw the pics too. They just seem comfortable with each other. .
I don’t see it Cittresse. Until you have hard facts, photos are just photos and you can’t read into them…He was probably pissed that so many paps were there and the list goes on…
Flying Elvi, I was surprised there were paps able to get so many photos. I would have thought that $$$$$resort would have top security though Harry doesn’t seem so controlling about it like William which again leads me to believe Markle is not going to be his wife because we’d have seen a decent amount of affection from Harry …Harry is much more affectionate than his brother so the reserved behavior with Markle is curious… Other publications have reported Harry was kissing and hugging Markle on the beach but I haven’t seen those photos…Please someone post a link to them if available.
Yeah and that’s why SHE was his plus one. It must hurt a lot to see Harry in a relationship.
It doesn’t hurt me at all. In fact I wish him well and hope he finds true love and settles down.
A lot may disagree with me but I think he was the one being pursued and he went along with it for a variety of reasons, some originating from anger and rebellion. I think Harry has a lot of unresolved anger against his father. Meghan is viewed as high risk marriage material, her first marriage ending so quickly. He knew she’d be viewed with suspicion.
@Citresse – I disagree about Harry having unresolved anger against his father, thats William. Harry seems to have a loving relationship with his father and the rest of his family – they are clearly important to him.
In the past Meghan may have been viewed as ‘high risk’ but when you look at Waity’s drug dealing/underage pimp Uncle they can’t throw stones at her. Plus given the apathy in the UK for the Monarchy in general most people wouldn’t care about her previous marriage. They’d be more interested in whether or not she performs her public duties or became another drain on the public purse (*cough*the Cambridges*cough*).
That’s how I see it, Abby. I feel so sorry for women in relationships with Harry in their heads. Sorry, to me, this looks like the real deal.
Abby, just because someone disagrees with you doesn’t automatically mean that they’re coming at it from a crazy fangirl perspective. Citresse sounds perfectly reasonable.
I also wish Harry the best and like the idea of him settling down with someone other than a standard issue society blonde (i.e. a Cressida). I have no earthly idea if he and Markle will stay the course, but in the photos (plural) that I saw the body language did stand out to me. The bias I bring is that I do assume that a Hollywood actress is pretty comfortable with publicity, and that some women really would just want to be a princess, despite everything that entails in reality.
What a rude comment. Anyone with eyes and a brain can see she is much more affectionate than he is. Now, does it mean anything? Who knows? But he doesn’t seem like he is into her.
OR Harry is pissed off at having paps take photos. That’s my take. Sorry, Sixer.
@bluhare – it’s a good working theory, but it would be kind of silly on his part as he absolutely had to KNOW that that would be the case months earlier. That being the case, he should have prepared himself to be more gracious about it. Unless that isn’t what is bothering him.
There’s probably loads of girls at that wedding who feel the way many commenters have been accused of feeling – like MM stole “their” man and their place in the BRF. I wouldn’t let go of him either, in that setting.
I think what Emily said explains a lot.
When people feel threatened, nervous, judged, etc., they default to sometimes unnatural behavior to self-soothe. My guess is the press, the interest, the (unfortunately) unfriendly judge types there probably made Harry irritable. They probably made Meghan want to ‘mark her territory.’
If it were me, I’d just retreat. Go in hiding. Lol. I’m clearly not cut out for the public life.
I interpreted Harry’s demeanor to the fact that he knew they were being photographed (which he dislikes to begin with), and he therefore knew all of the stories that would be published about his friend’s wedding, but making it all about him & Meghan.
(Which is exactly what happened, because here we all are!)
Haha she looks overbearing and he looks drunk and bored. Reminds me of me and my ex lol. However it’s just a few bad photos but if he’s always like this I’d tell Meghan to drop that orange dick like a hot potato. She can do better!
She definitely looks overbearing. Now the world has seen pictures of her clutching, rubbing, and hanging on a guy who looks bored and is ignoring her. Glad you ditched a guy who acted this way. Not worth the time
They definitely aren’t smiling.
Wow, rubbing your bf’s back is overbearing? Wow
Just my two cents. I’m not a fan of either but just looking at photos, (photo assumptions) she is very attractive, and he’s a handsome young man. The woman at the table with them appears to be trying to make MM jealous, and she’s not having it. She places her hand on him in a loving and possessive way as if to say, he’s mine…. I’m wishing them the best of luck, knowing it must be hard on both because she’s of a mix race. Don’t know how his people will react if they take it to the next level, jmo. Btw, if he did not want her there she would not be there you can bet your rent on that.
She seems very comfortable mixing with his “set”, doesn’t she? I find that quite striking, as I would imagine it would be difficult for any outsider. . .
She seems more comfortable than Kate, for instance. . . (imo)
I find the dynamics so interesting.
I think it helps that she’s Canadian and she doesn’t have the class structure ingrained in her. It would be a very American/Canadian thing to totally ignore that!
She is American, from LA. Meghan is not Canadian at all. She simply works there for the show she works.
The other woman is wearing a wedding or engagement ring.
Bit much to make such accusations against some random member of the public based on one photo.
Just my two cents. I’m not a fan of either but just looking at photos, (photo assumptions) she is very attractive, and he’s a handsome young man. The woman at the table with them appears to be trying to make MM jealous, and she’s not having it. She places her hand on him in a loving and possessive way as if to say, he’s mine…. I’m wishing them the best of luck, knowing it must be hard on both because she’s of a mix race. Don’t know how his people will react if they take it to the next level, jmo.
They’d better not get married in Montego Bay. I want my Flying Elvi landing on the top of my golden coach and I want my St Martin-in-the-Field and bluhare wants her poinsettias and suze wants all of it. Nota’s on board but we are all disappointed in LAK, who is too busy ogling James Norton to care.
Oh, and a marauding spider attacked me this morning. I’m calling it a brush with death. (Me from fright, not the spider from being crushed. It ran too fast.)
Convince LAK that Norton will do a reading at the wedding, post-flying Elvi. Glad you survived the 8-legged onslaught.
I volunteer to be Norton’s date. I promise to wear an epic hat.
Maybe James Norton will be at the wedding, looking after the Flying Elvi?
I want Rihanna performing at the wedding ceremony with the TQ and the DoE dancing down the aisle.
You all deserve all of it and should he dare disappoint you, well, their whole wedding would be just pants and the whole royal family abolished – and I have a feeling even HRM Lilabet would agree. We have some fudge to help you recover from that brush with death from that dreadful, vile creature. And some vodka.
We can’t have vodka cos there’s a Russian connection. Tina told me that’s why the saintly Prince Hal is in a relationship with The Woman From Hell. Vladimir dunnit. And suddenly it all made sense. (Lightpurple – you should play more on these threads because currently they’re making Jolie threads look grounded in reality. If you didn’t laugh, you’d cry.)
If Her Maj doesn’t jump out of a plane to attend these nuptials, like wot she did for the Olympics, it will be a travesty.
Just for everyone else, I was joking about that. There’s so much crazy on these threads I feel the need to clarify. 😀
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Sorry!
Oh, what a pass we have come to.
Ok, then have some whisky then. James Norton and all the other “tipped to be Bond” actors and actresses will do a dance routine on the ground as Lilibet and the Flying Elvi make their descent.
I would like to point out that LAK stole James Norton from me.
And not only poinsettias, I’m designing the wedding party’s outfits.
@bluhard AND LAK – Out of my way, both of you. Norton is MINE.
Like a bat signal, i read *James Norton* and i’m here.
Nothing to add to the discussion except to write out James Norton again and James Norton again!😊
I love you, LAK.
I just looked up James Norton and all I can say is, Thank You! 😍 That jawline could cut a girl, in a good way.
Jawline my Aunt Tilly – can you imagine being kissed by those lips?
I saw a spider yesterday, too. It was huge and fat from hibernating and I had to give it a ride outside to the end of the driveway on a broom. It better not make its way back in here! SHUDDER.
I wanted the Vegas wedding, but I have bowed to peer pressure here and you all can your St. Martin in the Fields do up. But the ELVI must show up or I am out of there to the nearest bar – you all can meet me there.
Wait. Did you say HerMaj was also jumping from a plane? All right, I will stay for that, too.
She is jumping from a plane like she did with Daniel Craig for the Olympics, along with the Flying Elvi.
And we’re now having hipster vows, too. This is going to be FABULOUS.
Bloody arachnids. Shouldn’t be allowed.
@Sixer, shall we write the vows?
I, Harry, take you, Meghan, and promise to show you a stonking good time for life and if I don’t, it’s just pants and you can put spiders in my shorts.
@Lightpurple, I love your take on the prospective vows, and I am also a fan of stonking good times! However, I must take exception at the assumption that Hal wears shorts I would contend that he would be more of a jockey man, and may even shop at M&S for his smalls, as his dear sainted mother was known to do back in the day. Just a small dissent, otherwise, carry on, I am enjoying every minute of this fantastical wedding, and am looking forward to buying a huge hat in honour of the Flying Elvi, and plummeting Majesties!
Oh, that is a perfect vow!
Sorry I didn’t reply earlier – I got caught in the spam filter and had to wait for our lovely overladies to sort it out. We should write the whole service on the next thread.
Her skin is so smooth and shiny. I need to know what she uses. I need skin like that! Lol
I need to know all about her hair situation. Its hot and humid in Jamaica! I’d be rockin’ a fro hairball in 5 min flat!
Continuing the off-topic/on-topic from yesterday. Should “working royals” be required to undergo an official training program. Not the silly “princess training” we’re supposed to believe Kate Middleton had. An official training program that requires education in international relations, internships at embassies, etc.
We’ve discussed before that the BRF is the least educated and experienced when it comes to their role. Many of the incoming young monarchs of other countries have advanced degrees in International Relations, International Development, etc. Victoria does not, but she did a year-long diplomatic training course and interned at embassies.
At this point, if Harry and MM married? I think she’d be the only member of the BRF with any formal education or experience in international relations.
That’s a great idea. I didn’t know that about Victoria. Mary took a course at Harvard for a week, from Hello – ‘Global Leadership and Public Policy for the 21st Century’ is offered by the Harvard Kennedy School and is targeted to members of the community known as Young Global Leaders.” And wasn’t Masako a diplomat prior to marrying? Do you think the government could require working members to attend, or it would come as an edict from the family?
William was supposed to do that bespoke estate management course at Cambridge. It sounded like it was a failure, probably because he didn’t put any effort into it.
He was also supposed to start an internship at the FO to learn about diplomacy and International relations, but went to EAAA instead.
I thought he wanted to do the FO thing, but they didn’t want him mucking things up.
That the BRF is the least educated and experienced should disqualify them for anything except ribbon-cutting. To pretend they can operate at the level of professionals is ludicrous. There are all manner of astute, intellligent, dedicated people trained for foreign trade and diplomacy roles who need to be doing this work. Let’s put time into them instead of into in-bred dolts.
As long as they’re still going to be there, however, shouldn’t they be required to be trained and educated for the job they inherit?
Harry’s body language with all his ex’s was similar…arrogant and disinterested. He knows women love the attention and lifestyle of dating a prince so he can be the pompous playboy to their loving wifey act. Don’t get the appeal of him or his brother. Kate and Megan could easily do better…marry rich without the headache of people who are so-called royal.
Bitsy – i also think it kind of looks that way. I mean who knows but… I dated a guy who behaved pretty arrogantly towards me in public especially, and I couldn’t figure out why until I realized that he honestly believed he was better than me (he had a PhD, made more money Etc). The moment I realized that I dumped his ass it was such a turn off , he basically saw me as a place holder until someone better came along… Total dick! I wonder if prince Harry is really low key like this…
If you look at pix of him with Chelsea, it’s usually her doing the fawning.
I know what You mean, bc I also had that kind of bf- he had more money and thought that he is better than I am and when I saw M&H photos I thought the same about H. I not jealous, bc I don’t know what kind of man H is, he can be great guy or total asshole. Meghan dress is nice and she looks great, but I don’t know if black dress fit for a wedding.
They may get married or not- frankly I don’t care much about BRF.
I don’t find either of the Wales lads handsome or desirable. I don’t know if either has ever confronted the fact that they are below-average achievers in most stakes and if not for incredible privilege heaped upon them, they’d be loading boxes somewhere, if working at all.
The pics do look as if Meghan is placating as well as taking ownership of ginger boy. Both Wales brothers are moody and want mommying. They are a burden to any woman foolish enough to take them on.
I said in the upthread I didn’t know if this was normal Harry behavior or not. So thanks for the clarification. I wonder if anyone else also feels this way about Harry and his past gfs? The only one I vaguely know about is Chelsea and they were together for a long time right?
I think she seems like she’s trying hard and clingy in comparison to his exes who seemed more natural. But with only these photos who knows. Could be that the daily mail just didn’t use the photos with affection from Harry. Interesting if she chose almost the same dress as kate! Hoping to be voted better dressed in a tabloid?!
he defended her against british media.
I think he just looks bored because it’s was boring. IDK, but I think he truly cares about her.
I don’t know why so many give a toss about Harry or William.
(1) Status
(2) Money
Neither would raise an eyebrow without their hereditary status.
When William was younger he was absolutely gorgeous, the image of Diana. And Harry was extremely hot when he was in the Army.
I just looked at pics of Harry and Chelsy because his body language here was pretty striking in its disinterest. There are a lot of pictures of Harry and Chelsy looking very happy, and he was very affectionate with her in many of them.
Who knows?? He is a lot older than he was, but from these pics, I would say that the clock is ticking on this relationship. If I were her, I wouldn’t be quitting my day job.
Hmm..these photos say a lot. These are some of the only photos that show them naturally socializing among friends and I’m not buying the whole idea that they are in love. She is trying her best to show that they are but I think it’s more like she’s crazy about this man and he doesn’t give a damn. It seems as though she could’ve been any chic and he could care less. I think she wants him badly to be just hers but I don’t quite see a marriage from this. I’m over them. They don’t go together at all. She’s lovely without him and he’s fun to watch without her but together, they don’t mesh.
The only things Markle has going for her is her education and iniative but her family and personal history do her no favors. Her brother was arrested for holding a gun against his gf’s head recently.
I’m pretty sure that didn’t help matters. Harry knows he needs to move on. And if Harry wasn’t a prince, Meghan wouldn’t have looked at him twice- let’s be real here.
Citresse I agree with your last bit, I think Kate may even be an inspiration for MM and that she is certainly socially ambitious but obviously doesn’t want to seem it. No idea how Harry feels though
oh puhlease! And his family is so perfect?What exactly is wrong with her personal history?Pray tell what does Harry have going for him expect the fact that he was born into some royal family and is a prince.*roll eyes* If he knows he needs to move on why isn’t he then? Meghan doesn’t have a gun to his head forcing him to stay with her.
We could say that for anyone that married into the royal families.would Kate have looked at William twice? would Sofia? would Mary?
@Citresse, that’s unfair. Megs can’t help her family. She doesn’t control them. And she couldn’t, even if she tried.
Why should the lovely Megs have to ‘pay’ for being born with a crazy brother?
Its like any job interview. You need to be judged for yourself and what you have done and intend to do. After all, her relatives aren’t going to be Princess Meg 😉
TOPgirl, if he “didn’t give a damn”, I seriously doubt he’d make her his plus one to his best friend’s wedding, esp. knowing that there would be photographs. He’d just go solo. The fact that he invited her, and didn’t go out of his way to ban photos speaks volumes (to me, at least).
EXACTLY! If he didn’t want her to be there, she wouldn’t have been. Full stop.
This. She doesn’t fly to Jamaica from Toronto without him inviting her to go. She can’t just crash the wedding. He wants her there and knows that the wedding will make news.
How many celebs doesn’t make some insignificant woman in their lives their plus one to weddings and then end shortly afterwards?
It’s quite obvious from their interaction in the photos that he seems unsure of himself with her in public. She certainly seems to know that people are watching them and she does her weird arm reaching over to him which looks odd if you ask me. I’ve never seen a “madly in love” couple interact like that. Like i said, perhaps in private, they have a hot and steamy connection but in public, it does not mesh well.
My god it’s obvious how much work Kate has had on her face, compared to the pics in the link above.
She also walked with crotch clutching.
Not feeling it with these two. She looks overly possessive & he looks totally disinterested.
There were plenty of other photos when Harry was swimming – Harry seemed much happier with his friends on the loungers and he seemed much more comfortable at the bar surrounded by more friends. Markle wasn’t around.
Likely because he’s used to being photographed with a group of friends, and tries not to be photographed with whomever he is dating.
Or maybe he was hungover. Or embarrassed that photographers showed up at his friend’s wedding.
I am still gunning for a wedding. She’s certainly a catch for him: a beautiful, accomplished and educated woman. I think she’d make a good go of being royal. And she is a step or two over his weight level looks-wise – my apologies to those who find Harry hot, because I have to say I see the Windsor middle age curse spreading over him like wildfire.
I think she’s energetic enough to take on a full workload and raise a couple of kids, and she would probably be good for him in that regard, too. I know Harry is good when he is out promoting his special interests, but going forward he has to pick up duties that are probably not quite as interesting to him, too. I think she might be a good partner in that regard. She has practice in doing all the grungy, not glamorous aspects of life from being in a television series.
For all the squeeing about them here, people have to remember that their whole position in life will be based on being the secondary players. They will be expected to work at the assignments they are given and not overshadow the main players in the family – they will be tier three employees in the family firm.
I think he should grab her with both hands because you’re right – whatever ginger hotness he has (and I don’t see it myself either) will be gone soon.
Yes, the photos do show Harry looking more Windsor… most unfortunate. I agree with others that it is he who is getting the better bargain; she can do much better, maybe not in terms of privilege or wealth, but certainly in terms of someone with intelligence and drive. Harry plays at things but no royal is a hard or serious worker. Too many enablers for someone with grue grit.
You make a great point about Harry and partner being third tier. That fact is bred into him, but Meghan may find it chafing to pretend to be lesser than she can be, in deference to clueless, lazy, jealous of other women, self-absorbed Kate.
Dont know if the palace would approve Harry marrying a divorced american actress but he should enjoy it while he can. She is quite older than him as well.
She’s 2 years older than him. Not “quite” older. And I think she looks younger. He’s the one who’s balding.
Well, three, actually. Not that it matters. She looks younger than he does and it’s not like she’s 25 years older.
Doesn’t matter if “the Palace” approves. HM would give permission for them to marry.
3 years is no big deal. Anne is older than Tim. Camilla is older than Charles. Kate is older than William. Duchess of Kent is three years older than her husband. Angela of Liechtenstein is 11 years older than her husband. Philippe of Belgium is 13 years older than Mathilde. Albert of Monaco is 20 years older than Charlene.
What kinda grown man in the developed world need permisssion to marry? Jesus, is GB stuck in the last century?
A lot more people used to have to ask permission, it was modified in 2013 so that only the top 6 in line to the throne have to ask. This IS modernisation for us (sigh).
I’m 2 years older than my boyfriend. I don’t think that makes me a craddle robber or a couger! No big deal.
PS that last photo with Harry standing up with his hand on his ass – Michael K over at Dlisted is going to be all over that one. LOL
His, hilarious, obsession with the hot ginger one is what we need right now.
It’s the wedding of one of your best friends Harry! At least fake a smile!
He looks super bored, she tries to touch him in most of the photos while he looks dead eyed…
Some of the photos make it very clear that the know there are cameras. Maybe that’s the reason he doesn’t show emotion. In some of the pics she looks directly in the camera, plays with her hair and touches him. She wants to make it clear he is her man. I don’t get why Harry doesn’t interact with her. She may feel very insecure with the white upper class people there.
I wonder how welcoming his friends are. Meghan was the only non-white guest… and the waiters were all black.
Meghan has been in elite circles for awhile now. The pictures of her at Wimbledon last year had her on center court IN the player’s box of Serena Williams. Plus Megs is besties with the Prime Minister of Canada’s wife, Sophie.
Also, she herself is bi-racial. Meaning half white. Raised with her caucasian Father, there is no need to assume she’d be cowering in terror at being the only POC in any given situation. White people aren’t the devil 😉
Snobbery in the UK is about Class and wealth, not color. There are a lot of extremely wealthy Nigerians who are fully accepted -because they’re wearing Gucci. As long as Megs continues to rock designer gear she’ll be ok. (LAK and other british-ers can speak more to this).
Speaking from personal experience, i agree with Jonesy. Class is all important here.
I mean, I wouldn’t get over-excited and say that race doesn’t matter in the UK because it really does. But Jonesy is correct: in the UK, class trumps ALL. Everything. Gender, race, orientation – everything.
I mean, I wouldn’t get over-excited and say that race doesn’t matter in the UK because it really does. But this correct: in the UK, class trumps ALL. Everything. Gender, race, orientation – everything.
Kate had no money when she was dating PW, her parents supported her, she never worked. Kate has no trust fund. Her parents supported her. Meghan has more money than Kate had when she was dating. Kate had no income, Meghan does.
Reporter James Whitaker said Kate was not even considered upper middleclass by the Aristoset, he said she was viewed as low class. Also the Middleton money is a myth, they’ve done a lot of borrowing of everything to get Kate where she is, they borrow houses from friend, they borrowed vacation homes for holiday’s, they used Uncle Gary’s house as a holiday base to take William on a holiday in Ibiza so no money was needed there. It was UGary’s paid for the yacht they used while there. They flew Easy Jet for years, up until William married Kate. I even got a report that many of Kate’s clothes during the dating years were freebies, from Issa and even the fasinators were loaners from posh hat designers.
Meghan has more money than Kate. Kate never worked and lived off of her parents, Kate had no income of her own.
But she’s not high class, no matter who she rubs shoulder with. A basic Google search will confirm that within about two seconds.
Neither is Kate. The royals can marry whoever they want these days.
Yes @ Bee, but my point is that money trumps class. And has for awhile. That’s how Kate married in.
Ever heard of the Dollar Princesses?
There’s a fun book called “To marry an English Lord” all about the American Heiresses who migrated to the UK to marry into the aristocracy. Their money came from trade (gasp! pearl clutch!) but it was green enough to restore many of the finest houses in the land.
Megs has enough money to hang. People will accept her (in posh circles I mean).
Now, if you’d like to stroll up in your 10 pound dress from Primark…sigh, you might get some side eye. Every place isn’t Sweden and every Prince isn’t Carl Philip to overlook Sophia’s original tackiness.
JMO Megs will be fine with the poshos.
As a Brit, I can say that being American will probably save her from an awful lot of classicism, in a way that Kate Middleton’s middle class English background could not. No non-Brit can ever be “upper class” by definition because that is a very specific thing, but they can certainly be accepted amongst the upper classes in a way the British middle classes can’t.
And the class system here is so weird. Someone successful from a working class background would generally be more accepted by the upper classes than someone from an upper middle class background.
I don’t know much about her but she is well-dressed, seems to be well-connected, a TV star and does stuff like fly to India for charity. Assuming she’s well-spoken and has good manners (I’ve never seen her speak) there is no reason she would not be accepted.
I am saying this as a child of a ‘mixed class’ family (dad descended from aristocracy – 1066, castle, the whole works; non-white 3rd gen mum raised on council estate) and I also studied anthropology at degree and postgrad level, so I’ve spent a lot of my life observing and analysing the British class system.
@Fluff, totally agree. I think the reason why the upper classes more readily accept working class people is because working class people are unlikely to pretend to be upper class. Both are more likely to smoke than the middle classes, and have no desire to pretend to be intellectual. And also because all of the aristos I’ve ever known have been very relaxed about social class (as they can afford to be). It’s the upper middles who are riven with social anxiety.
And? Katie Keen used to tumble out of taxis knickerless…
I think it helps to be Canadian, as she wouldn’t have the same classism ingrained in her since birth. I’d think it would make her less concerned and able to be more relaxed and natural.
“high class” is so passe. Classism is on the verge of being the new “racism” which I would welcome. She seems very poised and put together from what I can gather. I think it would really bring the royal family into this century vs. the boring-old, same-old nonsense which the younger generation is completely uninterested in. After all they do need the tax payers on board…
Tina, Fluff – completely agree. That tiny rump of aristos/embedded upper class interact very well without classism for the most part. It’s the upper middles who are desperate to be accepted by those above AND who jealously guard their spheres of influence from being accessible to those below. I’m a bit like Fluff in that I’ve been able to see it from both sides over the course of my life.
Do you think the engagement announcement post will have more coments than Benedict’s ?
Yes, but I also think the fan culture has changed a bit since then. Cumberbatch was the first example of a fandom going feral on such a public level. Shippers and tinhats had always existed (I’m old enough to remember when DL banned LOTR for that reason), and of course fans have been hating on celebs’ girlfriends forever. But somehow the level and intensity of the ‘fake baby’ conspiracy obsession felt like a game-changer.
Nowadays people online are more aware of it, and less tolerant. So in the past you’d get a bunch of comments saying, “Oh I know someone who knows her and says she’s a bitch, they look miserable, I don’t see it lasting” it would be taken at face value; now everyone has their fangirl-sniffers out from the start. I have noticed CB no longer posts incendiary girlfriend-bashing posts, which they used to do regularly for really any popular guy.
looking at the pics he seems like a douchebag ignoring his girlfriend. i really liked him before but i suppose his not that different from his brother after all. Meghan can do so much better an am i the only who thinks he’s not as handsome as before. The whole colonial vibes of the weeding is gross. The whole weeding is full of posh white people (except meghan) and the waiters are black.
There are actually a lot of services for private flights that cost just about the same as first class tickets on commercial flights. A few go between NYC, Boston, Miami, the Bahamas and LA.
Its not extreme fancy flying but it is private or often semi private meaning you’d fly with maybe two other members of that particular jet club. Worth the price for less hassle from TSA and no crying adults or babies lol
I don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings, but I think most men look bored at weddings and are reluctantly escorted around by us in our heels and lovely dresses. The complaint that he looks only mildly invested in the proceeding is more like the gentleman at most days long weddings than not.
That’s a good point, you’re right most men do look bored at weddings.
If he knew there were cameras, he could’ve tried to smile, look at her,and show a bit of affection,, not completely ignoring her like this. She looks silly trying to get his attention. I feel bad if it’s always this way in their relationship
Love how perfect her dress & sunglasses and HAIR are for this low key (yet high end) wedding. Kate will be upstaged at every turn. Harry & M will need their own PR office asap so they are not thrown under the bus….I also love that she is 35, and has taken care of her “starter marriage”. They are a great fit in many ways….
Kate and Megan are the same age, right? Megan looks so youthful in comparisson. Kate’s a pretty lady but too insecure. Marrying into The Firm doesn’t seem like a great idea. One wonders why the British Aristo is not into them.
The norms regarding public displays of affection are really different in the UK than they are in the u.s. Plus you have the added layer of Harry being a royal. He’s not even allowed to touch his grandmother in public and yet it’s widely known that he is very close to her. I remember during Diana’s wedding when the boys were walking behind her coffin with their father and grandfather, they stepped into a small tunnel and Phillip, thinking that the camera wouldn’t capture the moment, reached out and patted his grandson’s back. They just do not do PDA in front of cameras.
So basically I wouldn’t assume anything just because Meghan is touching Harry and he’s not touching back. The fact that there were pap shots at the wedding, presumably with his consent and the consent of the newlyweds, says a lot about how he feels about the relationship.
The lack of PDA potentially is going to be a big adjustment for Meghan if she does end up marrying into the family. One of many, many challenges she’ll face.
I disagree. Ive seen pics of Harry kissing his grandmother and Kate with her hand on Williams knee or around his waist. Ive seen him doing the same to her. And there are pics of Harry kissing one of his former girlfriends.
And remember the pic of him hugging Cressida on the ski slope. He was definitely hugging her.
He’s a hugger, he kissed cyclist Katie Kuiper at the Games, etc etc. In these photos, he just has the body language of a guy needing a party break at a 3-day wedding.
Oh, no.. I thought they were really in love. I agree that he seems over it and she’s marking her territory. I don’t know if he was just bored/drunk/irritated by the paps, but something is off here. And this is coming from someone who really wants this union to happen 🙁
She is very pretty there, marking her territory. I find she has a bit of the crazy eyes, though, in general.
Harry seemed tense and fed up and ignoring MM. I don’t see a marriage between them.
Out of curiosity I googled her ex husband. He and Harry have a very similar appearance. It’s hard to tell the status of their relationship from a few pics but it appears she is coddling or mothering a petulant child.
I love how you chose all the pictures that looked awkward as heck, because you knew it would stir the pot, but the comments are more civil than last time.
lol.
no offense to anyone
I have to admit I’m very confused at the lengthy photo assumptions. All the pics I’ve seen just looks like a couple at a wedding.
I agree.
that’s three of us, then.
Four.
My husband would probably look just as bored at a wedding that’s lasting three days. And Harry could be jet lagged, annoyed at the paps, etc. etc.
I mean, we’re all on the same website, commenting on the same article, so it’s not like I’m any cooler. But these just look like a couple at a wedding.
Same, looks like a slightly bored couple at a wedding to me. They could be any upper middle class family at any event lol.
There’s a lot of projecting going on. I’m guessing PH & MM not making out constantly in the pics is a sign that it’s not “real” to some. I think that he even invited her shows some seriousness on his part. If he was over being with her, he wouldn’t have invited her to be his date, especially just after spending about a month together in London.
Guess time will tell, though.
I really like her dress and she’s very pretty and could do much better. That’s all I got.
I can’t say that I have really followed all of this since I don’t know who she is and I don’t follow or care about the royals, but she looks a bit desperate & aware of the photogs and he looks to be over it.
That’s my take. However, I don’t understand the obsession about these two on either side.
Who cares whether they get married? If they do or don’t, it’s not going to have an impact on anyone else’s life.
She is absolutely gorgeous! Harry…not so much. I have a feeling that if he wasn’t a prince, she wouldn’t have looked twice at him. He seems like he is an arrogant man and gives off strong Henry the 8th vibes (physically-speaking)…though he does come across as a sweetheart during public events. Maybe he is like his mother? Diana was known to be difficult in private, despite the fact that she was really nice in public. Perhaps some of the royals are better actors than we realize?
He’s Charles with red hair and he’s soon bald.
There are better pics on Pop Sugar that show an engaging prince: http://www.popsugar.com/celebrity/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-Wedding-Jamaica-2017-43263678?slide=29.
All of the photo assumption people are making me laugh. In the face of the obvious just create an alternate reality.
Go Meghan, go! Claim your prince.
The only photo he seems to be “engaging” is this one and it’s with someone else, not Meghan.
Here: http://www.popsugar.com/celebrity/photo-gallery/43263678/image/43263720/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-Wedding-Jamaica-2017
And she looks SO irritated here. http://www.popsugar.com/celebrity/photo-gallery/43263678/image/43263710/Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-Wedding-Jamaica-2017
Maybe because she spent her time putting one or two arms on and around him and he kept his crossed. When he wasn’t hugging other women, that is.
Pity, I like them together and she’s very fresh and pretty.
Personally, I don’t find the body language very loving. Not fair to judge from a snapshot in time but he seems a bit stiff and she seems a bit ….
Affectionate? Are people delusional? I’ve never seen such disinterest with how he is acting with her. Are people ignoring it because it doesn’t fit their true love narrative? If those photos were of William and Kate, everyone would be having a field day about about the body language of William and gloating about clingy Kate.
She’s very pretty.
Does anyone else find the fact that the Pastor who officiated the wedding gave an interview about his thoughts on Harry & Meghan to be the most bizarre part of this entire thing?
WTF? I wonder what the bride and groom think about that. It is so wildly unprofessional I thought it was a “fake news” story when I first saw it.
Yes, I thought it was inappropriate and an invasion of privacy against Harry and Meghan. The focus should really be on the newlyweds and even then no interview should be allowed.
I honestly don’t think I’ve ever in my life heard of such a thing. A member of the clergy giving an interview about the behavior of celebrities attending a wedding he just officiated??
::insert “I feel like I’m taking crazy pills” meme::
The bride and groom are also the ones who booked a destination wedding, knowing his best friend would be photographed there, and still picked a place easily photographed by paps. Should have thought to lock the pastor down with an NDA, like they did with the staff from the resort.
Crazy to think the pastor wouldn’t realize he was invading their privacy without a NDA, but there ya go.
Meghan’s first semi-official outing as royal gf seems to have been a success. The paps got their pics. Since Harry is staying on, I bet that’ll be it for the paps’ easy access to them. Harry will shut it down for their vacation. That is if she is staying on & not heading back to Toronto.
I was all for this in the beginning, but if you do your homework the
royal family is more messed up then one could imagine. (I was prompted to do my homework after people started murmuring things, when this romance came to be). Which is silly of us to be surprised about, since we all know how the pseudo royal family came to be in the first place.
The British citizens have been having a tough time for decades now. The way things are looking, the British people will put the pseudo royal family out of business in the next 5 – 7 years. A family that is a waste of stolen money and a waste of time.
If Harry had been the first-born the monarchy might have stood a chance, but with William at the helm it’s doomed. It will ultimately come down to the financial benefits vs costs of keeping the royal family because all goodwill the British public has effectively dies with The Queen.
@Bee
I forgot which email I used, but like I said
go do your homework. The so called
British Empire came to be through slavery,
the raping and pillaging of people/land.
These people haven’t changed. Mass murder is just the tip of the iceberg. Also,
compared to the Queen and the elders of
the royal family…William/Harry may be semi-normal
people, but I doubt it.
“Loved up” is so not what I’m seeing. She’s all over him and he’s like “meh”. His body language is closed up to her in not one, not two, but in all of the pictures. It’s over for him and she’s desperately holding on.
Oh. And I died laughing at the one photo where he chats with the other girl and Meghan is giving one of the best (and bitchiest) side eyes I have ever seen!
Yeah – after all the tabloid cooing when the photos came out I was seriously, like, WTF?!
Agreed. Her eyes are on a level of waitys shark eyes. I saw a video piece of waity actually circling Willie with great white predator eyes as Willie laughed at his own jokes surround by a bunch of females ranging in age from 12-80 years. Waity just couldn’t help it. Meghan is giving me the same despo vibe.
Hey, it worked for Waity maybe it will work for Markie. I once read that Kate at clubs used to have a group of friends whose sole job was to “block them off”, “them” being the other girls at the clubs trying to catch William’s eye . . .
Dating a prince seems to suck women into a “Gotta get this right or I’ll never hold my head up in this town again!” mode, when in fact losing the guy could be the biggest break of their lives.
Although I get why it doesn’t seem like it at the time. It must be hard to resist all that “OMG, she caught Prince [fill in the blank]!!!!!” You probably end up buying into it even when you see clear signs that all it not as it could be . . .
Cf. Charles’s infamous, “Whatever ‘in love’ means,” with that forced nasty smile, at his and Di’s first interview together on Engagement Day. Never forgot it. She let it go, and lots of other stuff, too.
All I see that he’s in a bad funk and She’s trying to console him.
If he was over her like some of ya pray he is then she wouldn’t be there.
Not necessarily. As the Wicked Witch of the West said, “These things must be handled delicately.” He might have been demmed if he did and demmed if he didn’t. It might have been set up months ago and caused too many questions if he didn’t bring her.
Got no dog in this fight so don’t care and what I was prayin’ for was a royal wedding and discomfiture for the Middletons, but whatever. They really don’t look ecstatically in love in these photos.
Some of these comments are too much and actually doesn’t make him sound very nice.
I mean if you seriously think hes a guy who isn’t that interested but brings a girl to a wedding all the way on another continent and then acts like he couldn’t care less? Can you say hot and cold? Sounds like a douche.
Also i don’t get this need to make him sound too good for her. He has really not accomplished much. Objectively, she ( yeah i know she is C list and all but its still better than being someone who has been handed everything from birth) has achieved more in her career and education. And hes not even attractive, he was ok when he was younger but hes balding with frizzy hair and is starting to look like a slightly more attractive thinner middle aged Ed Sheeran.
Ed Sheeran LOL. And I agree with the rest about Prince Silver Spoon
Is it just me that doesn’t get why Harry’s considered any kind of catch? The Windsor genes are finally kicking in big time and he’s not looking good, he’s not smart or accomplished (which is fairly appalling given the opportunities he’s had), he’s better with people than his brother so the little work he does goes better but he’s still being massively outworked by an ill 95yr old and he’s not even that wealthy, so even gold diggers could aim much higher.
I always figured the reason he and William had trouble finding partners was because everyone in their social group could do an awful lot better. The vast majority of their peers are richer, more attractive, better educated, have real jobs and do more charity work to boot. Why would anyone downgrade AND take on the extra hassle of being a royal?
I totally agree. The only reason people think he is a catch is because grown women still want to believe in disney fairy tales.
@Leah – well, you have to remember that if she’s a D-list actress at 35, she’s probably not going to go that much farther in her career. In her business, 35 might as well be 50. She wants kids, setting up a new relationship is always a lot of work-it might not be so much Disney as an opportunity to get out of the career and go for another starring role. Or, alternatively, a chance to revitalize said D-list career . . .
He is a Prince of the BRF…that will always hold a lot of appeal for many women.
I think for some people, the idea of becoming a real-life “princess” enables them to overlook pretty much anything!
It would feel claustrophobic to me. I don’t see the appeal.
Ummm – I dunno. When I tuned in to the story and the new photos, I was expecting serious “confirmation” aura but – and I hate to be a wet blanket here – something about these photos doesn’t feel right. He looks bored, she looks like she’s dutifully playing a part she was hired for.
I was really surprised at the gestalt I saw. I was expecting something else. Suddenly, this kind of smells to me. Which is too bad, as I was counting on this on a variety of levels – not least Ma Middleton’s horror (grins).
I’m nonplussed, I don’t know – suddenly I amn’t so sure about this . . . I’m not sure I can put my finger on what doesn’t feel right . . .
Body language is also very odd to me. This is the way I behave when husband is upset, with me or an external factor and I am trying to calm him down. Odd…
Still rooting for them!
Open question to the Brits, genuinely curious: Do you ever feel like your success is hindered by this idea that you’re stuck in the class you are born into? I’ve lived in both places though I live in the U.S. now. In the U.S. making your own money is celebrated and admired. In the U.K. it seems no matter how successful you are, if your mother and father or grandparents and so on weren’t “upper class” then you needn’t bother. I sympathize with Kate Middleton. Seems she came from a perfectly nice family but she gets so much heat for not having any titles or family history.
No, because most Brits don’t give a crap about any of that. Making your own success and money is just as celebrated and admired here as it is in the US and many people look down on the “upper classes” and would never want to be one.
IMO the myth of the American Dream is more damaging because success in the US is just as predicated on background as it is in the UK.
I also think it’s about the cultural stories we tell ourselves.
The raw numbers tell us that the UK and the US are pretty much equally socially mobile and, if one is better than the other, it’s actually the UK by a hair’s breadth. The US uses just as much embedded classist language, for example – trailer trash, redneck, etc. I also think that class reproduction is more obvious in the UK because it’s an older country with older, more visible institutions carrying it out. Also, we’ve had a couple of conversations on here about classism in US elite private schools that quite shocked me, because what commenters had experienced was much more intense than I experienced as a scholarship kid at a UK private school.
We could suggest, with some truth, that the UK is more able to have an honest conversation with itself about class, while the US is more able to have an honest conversation with itself about race. But even so, the underlying structures are pretty much the same.
I think the difference is mainly that it is possible to become upper class in the US (or at the very least what passes for it) if you ape old-school WASPism enough. It is just not possible to become upper class in the UK if you are not born an aristocrat. Now, for all intents and purposes that doesn’t matter, because neither old school WASPs in the US nor aristocrats in the UK have the power that they once did.
The power lies with the educated elite, who are largely upper middle class in both societies and come from all backgrounds and classes (although they are still disproportionately white and male).
Neither one of them look loved up. She, at least, appears to be interested in him. He looked completely indifferent. Too much to drink? Hung over? Lover’s quarrel? Who knows? But I don’t see this “romance” lasting much longer.
I’m not a body language expert, but to me they just seem comfortable with each other and a bit tipsy. So yes, she is touching him and he’s not hanging all over her but he doesn’t seem bothered, and in other pics you can tell he’s looking at her lovingly and they’re having a good time. How do we know he wasn’t all over her an hour before or after these pics were taken? My husband actually tells me to stop touching him in public because he hates PDA but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t love me.
I don’t doubt that they’ll marry but I do doubt that it’ll last.
The look on PHG’s face in that second to the last photo screams “Oh my God, Meghan, I’m so high right now.” And she’s like “It’s OK, it’s OK.”
I think Meghan is a beautiful and accomplished woman, and I am sick to death of the way in which DM is leading the charge to bring her down. DM has really gone down market but I feel I have a duty to continue to post comments there because Meghan needs ALL the support she can get. As for the PDA issue I have seen about 84 pictures and DM chose only to post a selection of Harry looking grumpy, obviously because of the paps. Apparently there are other pics which have not been posted. Harry hates the paps, and when he was younger he actually almost got into a fist fight with one when he photographed coming out of a club. I also really like this website, lots of intelligent and witty comments. Good job Celebitchy.com , a breath of fresh air really, and I hope to make more comments.
Meghan is a beautiful and well accomplished woman and I am sick and tired of the way DM is leading the charge trying to bring her down. I will however continue to post on DM because Meghan needs All of the support she can get. Harry was clearly annoyed at the intrusion of the paps, there are several pics of him smiling at her which media like the DM have chosen to ignore. I really like the measured comments on celebitchy and I plan to post here more often.