SPOILERS for the Season 7 finale, “The Dragon and the Wolf”
You know what’s been weird for me as I watched Game of Thrones this season? Every single time Theon Greyjoy is on screen, I literally say out loud, “Are we really going to waste precious time in the final seasons on this dude?” I get that there’s probably still a reason why he’s alive, but really, his plotlines could have been dealt with a lot faster, like in one-minute interludes every episode, “this is what Theon is doing,” and then go back to the real characters. My one-minute recap of Theon? He beat the crap out of someone and he’s going back to the Iron Islands to rescue Yara. Boom, that’s it. Anyway, there’s a lot to discuss and very little of it involves Theon. Let’s get to it, our final GoT recap of the year.
The Dragonpit. Jon Snow, Davos, The Hound and more arrive first to the Dragonpit in Kings Landing. The mood is very spooky, and I’m sure everyone is thinking, “Sh-t, did Cersei hide a bunch of Wildfire underneath the Dragonpit or what?” Finally, Cersei arrives. Then Dany literally rides up on a dragon. There are some good emotional beats throughout these scenes, especially between Tyrion, Pod, Bronn, The Hound and Brienne. The Hound also has a moment with his brother, The Mountain/Frankenclegane. The Hound is like, “You look like hell, I’m still gonna kill you one day.”
Westerosi UN Security Council. People act petty, everyone is sniping at each other, finally the Hound goes and gets what they brought for this special meeting: the trunk with the wight. The Hound opens the trunk and nothing happens. He kicks the trunk over and the wight freaks out, running straight for Cersei. They’ve put the wight on a chain, so the Hound pulls it back. Everyone is horrified, Cersei especially, and Jon Snow gives a demonstration about fire and dragonglass. Maester Qyburn is especially fascinated. They kill the wight in front of Cersei and she says, okay, I’m on board, all I need is Jon Snow to pledge that he will never come after my crown, etc. Jon Snow is like, “I’d love to, sweetie, but I’ve already bent the knee to Dany.” Cersei is SO MAD, she’s like “deal with undead yourself, a–holes” and she leaves in a snit.
The Giant Plot Hole In Season 7. Dany, Tyrion and Davos are all like “you literally know nothing, Jon Snow” and they debate their next move, with Dany even telling Jon that now her dragon died for nothing. They decide that someone should go talk to Cersei. Finally, Tyrion goes. There’s an incredible scene between Cersei and Tyrion in the small council chamber where they both argue about their shared history and Cersei can’t make herself order Tyrion killed. Tyrion comes back to the Dragonpit, with Cersei trailing behind him. She tells the group that she’s changed her mind, not only will Lannister forces stand down, but she’ll tell the forces to go North to join in the fighting. No one can believe it. They shouldn’t.
Littlefinger Plots Against Arya. Throughout the last seven scenes, we’ve come to know the extent of Lord Baelish’s plotting for and against the Starks, and how there would basically be NO SHOW at all without Baelish’s machinations. It’s the murder of Jon Arryn that set everything in motion, and Baelish did that with Lysa’s help. What is unclear, throughout the show, is Baelish’s overarching plot, or mindset. He’s made some noise about how he wanted to be on the Iron Throne, but I think he always knew that he was little more than an agent of chaos. So, Littlefinger and Sansa met alone, and Littlefinger slowly convinces Sansa that Arya has been out to get her this entire time, because Arya wants to be Lady of Winterfell. What would be the endgame of this, long-term, for Baelish? I still don’t know.
The Stark Scheme. Finally, we get a f–king payoff for the struggling storyline of “Sansa and Arya hate each other now.” Sansa orders her guards to bring Arya into the main chamber. Arya arrives, petulant and moody – I thought Sansa was just going to expel her from Winterfell. Then Sansa – who is sitting next to a perky looking Bran, btw – reads off the charges. Murder, treason, and no, Arya is not going to just walk away. Sansa lists the charges and turns to Baelish. This trial is for him, not Arya. The Stark kids have worked their plot successfully, and they are standing shoulder-to-shoulder to bring down Littlefinger. It seems Bra has spilled ALL THE TEA about what Baelish has been up for seven seasons and they’re like, “here are the receipts.” Arya is the one to finish him off, slicing his throat in one slash, using the dagger he gave to Bran.
The Survivors. There’s a gorgeous scene on one of the towers of Winterfell, with Arya and Sansa looking out, together. Arya finally acknowledges what Sansa has survived, and Sansa does the same for Arya. They are happy that they’ve dealt with Littlefinger together and it feels like the girls have bonded properly now, as adults. They will weather the coming storm together.
Winter Comes To Kings Landing. Jaime is making plans to move the Lannister forces north to aid the Northern forces and Dany’s forces. Cersei is like “why bother” and he’s like “lol wut” and she’s like “I’m not sending anyone to help those a–holes.” This was always the plot hole. Of course the bitch was lying. Of course she was never sending help. Of course Dany’s dragon died for nothing. This was always the stupidest plot ever – Cersei was always going to be an a–hole. Jaime is like, “screw you” and she’s like “I’LL KILL YOU” and he’s like “I’m leaving.” He does leave, but I’m unclear about whether he just went for a walk or whether he’s, like, going North to help Tyrion. It begins to snow in Kinds Landing. Winter is Here.
Samwell & Bran. Samwell took this long to get to Winterfell, and he immediately goes to Bran. Who knew that this was the character-combo which has needed to happen this whole time? Bran and Sam sit by the fire and put all of the pieces together about Jon Snow and his parents, Prince Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. Sam even remembers the old maester’s journal – that Rhaegar and Lyanna married, so Jon is the legit heir to the Iron Throne. Bran figures out that Robert’s Rebellion was always a lie.
Jon Snow & Dany’s sexual healing. Interspersed with flashbacks of Rhaegar and Lyanna, there were scenes of Jon going to Dany’s bedroom (on the boat they’re using to go North), and then Jon and Dany making sweet aunt-and-nephew love to each other. I know we should find it creepy, but I’m like, eh, let them have their fun. Oh, and I loved Jon’s aside to Dany about getting pregnant – he was like, “The witch might have been lying, you know?” So we might have witnessed Dany getting knocked up in that scene.
The Wall Comes Down. It’s been said that the Wall is a magical place, that the Children of the Forest cast spells around it so that the undead would never breach it. Ice Dragons trump magic spells. As Tormund and Beric Dondarrion watch from some kind of eagle’s nest, the Night King rides Ice Viserion and ice-burns the Wall. Is Beric dead? Is Tormund? I have no idea. But I do know that Eastwatch doesn’t exist anymore and the army of the dead are walking into Westeros.
Photos courtesy of HBO.
I can’t anymore with Emilia and Kit they are just SO bad they can’t act.
I’ll stick to the books and hope Martin lives to finish them
I’m curious as to if I should read the books. But I keep hearing that – if you’re seriously interested in the series, the books are the way to go. I can’t tell if my dislike is for the characters or the actors.
Read the books! Seriously, they are more complex and characters are in the book that are not in the series and the plots are different in some areas.
The books are great! So much more detailed and the characters are consistent. Jon’s lowkey quite cunning, definitely not a noble Northern idiot (though he does screw up a lot) and Daenerys has way more of a conscience regarding her dragons and the damage they could cause.
I don’t really see this amazing chemistry between Kit and Emilia tbh, but then I also don’t feel like their sex scene was shot in the way an endgame romance would be. We didn’t even see their first kiss.
Yes, read the books! For one thing, there are quite a few differences between the novels and the show (I’m looking at one specific Lady in particular), and for another it’s always a good idea to at least try to read the source material. Some people I know didn’t care for the level of detail – GRRM really loves food / feast descriptions, just so you know – but I personally didn’t mind it. Heck, I’ve read every one of them at least twice, and I’m about to re-read the “World of Ice and Fire” companion book too.
As for Emilia and Kit, I’m indifferent to them. I don’t think they’re horrible actors, but they’re certainly not the most charismatic. And the Jon + Dany storyline just icks me out. I know that they don’t know they’re related, but I do, so…ewwwwww.
That scene gave me the ‘something bads gonna happen’ vibe.
Books are fabulous until you realize Martin will never ever finish them. 🙁 That’s the only reason I am sticking with the show. Gah.
Yes read the books. More detail than the show. Though you’ll find yourself yelling at the TV when the show writers do wrong by a character…”cough”…Stannis
if he couldn’t be motivated enough to finish the books in order to keep ahead of the show…i don’t think they’re getting finished ever 🙁
I find them both so terribly boring. But Jon/Kit was awful this season. Too much brooding and too many bad decisions. He needs a shot of charisma.
Cersi is crazy, but at least she is interesting to watch.
Kit I think has improved as the series progressed! Agree on Emilia, though perhaps she’s better at comedy?
The writing for her was terrible this season. I’m amazed she could say those lines with a straight face.
This. I thought she was so incredibly charming in Me Before You and in some interviews I’ve seen, but Daenerys is a personality void.
And Kit was pretty hilarious in 7 Days in Hell.
Thank you!! They have always been my least favorite characters and I think Emila is very much outclassed on this show. I could watch Lena’s scenes all day. She is a force to be reckonded with!!
Kit and Emilia can’t act and have no chemistry. It’s unfortunate so much of the show rides on them now. And they can’t overcome bad writing like some of their more talented co-stars can.
@ Mom2two
I couldn’t disagree more! 😁😁
I THOROUGHLY enjoyed watching Jon and Dany make the beast with two backs.
Sorry. 😘
That scene was smouldering……the silent but intense eye contact at the door; no words, just body language; the passionate scene in bed; more intense eye contact…….In fact, my only complaint is that the scene should have been a bit longer. For instance, I would have loved to see their first kiss and them undress even.
Yes, yes….I’m a vulgar old hag because I couldn’t care less about them being related. But it’s not my fault……I feel like this show groomed me over 6 seasons to get to this point. 6 seasons of watching Jamie and Cersei’s incessant and graphic twincest + all the tavern wenches openly parading their wares + all the rape + underage sex and warfare + gruesome killings and skinned corpses + untold levels of depravity…………What can I say, I’m human. We adapt. 😁😁😁
Anyway, given the sadistic tendencies of GRRM and the shows writers, I can bet my little toenail that this won’t end well, one way or the other……so, I’ll enjoy the crumbs they throw at us in the meantime before one of them gets their heads bitten off by Viserion (or some other horror) in season 8.
Mom2two, I don’t mind either of them on his/her own–not great actors but reasonably charismatic and convey their characters’ core characteristics well enough. But they are disastrous together as a romantic pairing, no chemistry whatsoever.
@ Tracking
I actually agree that there was not a lot of chemistry between them before the boatsex scene…..but I was pleasantly surprised to see that they pulled that off very well actually.
IMHO. 😀
What makes Kit and Emilia’s lack of chemistry even worse is that they actually dated a few years ago. Apparently neither use Method acting.
Agreed about Emilia and Kit, they have zero chemistry and can’t act for crap. However I read the first book and couldn’t be bothered to continue with the series because the writing was too damn awful. And way too many characters that I didn’t care at all about.
Glad I’m not the only one! I felt bad for disagreeing with all the squeeing, but I also found the first book to be way worse than hype led me to believe. The ideas are awesome, but the execution was awful.
I’m just having a record scratch moment about the name thing. If Jon’s real name is Aegon then …. Rhaegar would have two sons named Aegon. See the discrepancy? Rhaegar’s son with Elia Martell was alive when Jon was born and yet they gave them the same name? Record scratch.
I’m not team Jon/Dany, sorry. I can’t get with it. I really want Jon to go back to Winterfell and Bran to be like “Hey just so you know…” Because to me it’s kind of … stupid? Like there are ice zombies and the wall is coming down and wars are being fought and I don’t have time to care about Jon and Dany. Also what is the follow-through plan with that? Is he going to just go with her now and leave the North to Sansa? Because that would be so out of character. Also guaranteed she’s not going to like hearing that he is the rightful heir to the throne.
I don’t know guys, I’m a little dissatisfied with the season. It was good, and that scene between Tyrion and Cersei is amazing, but I’m left a little like a wet noodle about how I feel about it.
Jon was born when all the Targaryens save for Daenerys and Viserys were dead. Rhaegar died before Jon was born. Elia and her children died shortly after that or even at the same time since Kings Landing was sacked after Aerys was killed and Rhaegar was off to the Trident. Ned took almost a year to find Lyanna and she just gave birth when he found her. Lyanna would have heard of the Targaryen deaths before she gave birth. Probably named Jon as Aegon thinking he was the last Targaryen.
I see, I was under a time misunderstanding.
But it kind of doesn’t change the shitty tune of the song. The last Targaryen could have very well had a name that wasn’t the name of the dead baby that was your lovers son before a war that you had a large part in got him killed.
To me it makes sense since the greatest Targaryen was Aegon the Conqueror. They could’ve named him Jaehaerys or Aemon but it wouldn’t have the same impact on Jon’s claim to the throne as the name Aegon Targaryen. Aegon the Conqueror unified Westeros together with his sisters. Parallel that to Jon bringing the seven kingdoms together again against the White Walkers as the new Aegon Targaryen.
I think it’s pretty shttty for Lyanna to have named her son Aegon. Rhaegar already turned his back on his family for this teenaged girl, left his wife and children with his crazy Dad, annulled his 4-5 year marriage with 2 children like it never happened. Naming her child after Elia’s (whose baby’s head was bashed in) is trashy. It’s like trying to erase Rhaegar’s first family completely.
Also if she was able to get news that Elia and her kids were dead then she could have easily sent a Raven to all of Westeros saying “LOL, just kidding Rhaeger didn’t kidnap me. We ran away together and we are now married. The war can stop now”. So many people died because of the selfishness of Lyanna and Rhaeger. Including Lyanna father and brother. No d!ck is that good.
Thank you @Rainbow. I wondered about that, the timeline giving a reasonable reason why she named him Aegon.
@ Rainbow- Daeneyrs was born 9 months after Jon. So no she was not alive when Jon was born. Also Lyanna had no way of knowing about Elia and the kids dying unless Ned told her. At the she knew about Rhaegar as the kingsguard knew about his death. And so far we have no explanation why the kid will be named Aegon, considering in the books not only Rhaegar’s 1stborn was Aegon, infact he is supposed to be alive just like Dany but many people think he is an imposter so a third Aegon in the boos would be an overkill…maybe in the show they dumbed it down and named jon aegon… weird all around.
I thought Lyanna said “Eddard” not “Aegon”??? Like she named his after her brother, Ned?
She SHOULD have done this – would have made way more sense and Jon really would have been half Stark/half Targ.
No it wasn’t Aegon. I had on my closed captions.
I also had on CC and it did say Aegon…..
That would have caused so many problems since Jon was thought to be Ned’s bastard son. He couldn’t have done that.
Did the show ever give the names of Elia’s children? I don’t remember them being referred to as anything but “her children” on the show. So, on the show, the name hasn’t been used. And they may be giving some acknowledgement to *BOOK SPOILER* Book Aegon who lives in the book but doesn’t survive infancy on the show *BOOK SPOILER*
It’s still super lazy and borderline direspectful to book reader. I can’t believe that Benioff or Weiss, who are supposed to be fan of the books, did that
I’m prettiest sure they name both Aegon and Rhaenys in like season 3, I think it was Thoros.
I’m pretty sure *BOOK SPOILER* that Aegon in the book is just a Blackfyre who fits the look and has been told he’s Aegon and groomed. Mummer’s dragon and all that. *BOOK SPOILER*
It’s not so unusual. Alexander Hamilton’s oldest son, Phillip, died in a duel and he named his youngest son Phillip (child #8) also. Pretty much every child of the Lancaster or York families was named Henry or Edward. When older children died, sometimes younger children got the same name. Rhaegar’s son Aegon died, and so he had his youngest son named Aegon as well, to fulfill the prophesy of the prince that was promised.
Don’t forget all the RIchards with the Lancasters/Yorks. I will add: Margaret and Elizabeth. Many of them had Margaret as wife, mother, sister, aunt, daughter, niece, and mother-in-law – all at the same time! It’s as if there were no other names in existence but Edward, Richard, Henry, Elizabeth, and Margaret. How did they keep themselves straight?
“Rhaegar’s son Aegon died, and so he had his youngest son named Aegon as well, to fulfill the prophesy of the prince that was promised.”
Rhaegar died long before his first son Aegon was murdered. Early in the war actually, so just about when Lyanna would have first realized she was pregnant. He might have hoped she will have a son but he would have had no idea which gender his child would be. Jon was born after the war, almost a year after the war started. So Lyanna was the one who named him Aegon right before dying from giving birth. I wouldn’t have done it but then I wouldn’t have ran away with a married man either and hung out in my sex den while the world burnt.
Surely he instructed Lyanna to name their son Aegon, though. Would-be kings always assume their children will be sons. They also have the names of heirs planned out before the children are even conceived in many cases.
Yes, he could have instructed Lyanna to name the child Aegon if it’s a boy. That would feed further proof that he deliberately planned to disown his first two children. Why would she go along with the erasure of an entire royal family?
According to cannon he needed his wife to have one more child so the prophecy of the 3 heads of the dragon could be fulfilled. Princess Elia had difficult deliveries and almost died giving birth to Prince Aegon so Rhaegar decided to look for another womb to give him one more child to have a total of 3.
Lyanna ultimately died giving birth to Jon; had Rhaegar lived he would have had to find yet another woman but this time to give him all 3 of 2 more children. The Kingdom of Dorne would have been in open rebellion against the crown after rescuing Princess Elia from the Mad King in Kingslanding. House Stark would still be in the war avenging Ned’s father and brother so they couldn’t back now from defeating House Targaryen. The annulment plot would have been Targaryen suicide leaving no crown for Jon to wear. From his recent interview GRRM clearly disapproves of this stupid storywriting.
1) Jon needs to be enrolled in a Diplomacy 101 course, PRONTO. Like, come ON dude! You didn’t even have to lie, all you had to say was “Fight the war for me first and then we’ll talk.”
2) Arya’s right – i’ve thought a lot about it and i think Sansa’s one of the toughest, if not the toughest character on this show. After all she’s been through?! Girl’s a survivor.
3) Why’d Bran have to word vomit ALL OF JON’S PAST to Sam like that though? It’s like the producers realized they were running out of time and decided to cram that shit in at the very last minute. That was anti climatic, right? Like, Sam would all of a sudden be like “OMG U KNO WHAT BRAN U R RIGHT I WAS TRANSCRIBING THE SAME THING HE’S NO SAND HE’S TARGARYEN!!!” like ok….
4) Jon and Dany *eyeroll eyeroll eyeroll* but whatevs, we saw it coming i guess…. still nasty.
5) BLUE DRAGON FIRE BREATH!!! THE WALL IS DOWN!!!! WHY DO I HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL 2018 FOR THIS!!!!
“still nasty..” LOL my thoughts exactly. In my eyes if people are cheering for them then they can’t say ANYTHING about Cersei and Jaime.
As stupid and weird this is
They don’t know they r aunt and nephew
Cersei and Jamie willingly do incest
There was this couple in germany
Brother sister separated and adopted separately. They met and fell in love and had children . Somewhere in between it was found out they were sibiling.
There were lot of debate like how brother sister relationship is also a matter of conditioning etc
Point is, as gross as Dany Jon is, still there is some excuse that they don’t really know.
I am not a fan of either pairing but let’s be real there is a MASSIVE difference between twins growing up together and getting together and an aunt and nephew who have no idea they are related, meeting as adults and ‘clicking’ (in ” because I seen no evidence of it).
Tan: I mean more in the way of fans cheering it on. Not necessarily Jon and Dany because they don’t know they are related. But if FANS are cheering on Jon and Dany, then those fans need to shut up about Cersei and Jaime.
Ciddykid: yeah I agree
I don’t even feel they have any chemistry or anything other than feeling of compatriots
But then again, I don’t feel most of the popular on screen couples
Bottomline: I agree to fans cheering with you but shippers almost never follow logic.
Even in once upon a time, show makers bend to the will of shippers and gave captain Swan
I know that incest was not uncommon back in the days of Kings and Queens etc. And it seems that apparently, in the books it is well documented that the Targaryens inter-married all the time. BUT…..for the tv show? The only major examples are incest are Cersei/Jaime and the Craster Family—and both of those situations are dealing with “the bad guys”. (well Craster’s daughters are victims, but HE is a monster)
Anyway, that aspect makes it SO weird to see that the show decided to put Dany and Jon together romantically. I know they don’t KNOW they are related yet, but WE do and it makes it hard to see it as anything but icky. Also— she is very likely to get pregnant, right? Maybe not—but it sure seems like they are setting us up for that.
Jon and Dany = yuck. Those two have no chemistry and Bran narrating their familial connection at the same time was super gross. I thought the whole finale was ridiculous but that was the lowest point.
I love their chemistry, what are you all talking about?! It’s not icky to me either, for all the reasons others have stated above.
(1) The Jon blurting out thing was odd, though probably the writers trying to show again how Jon got unwillingly thrust into all of this. Couldn’t he have stalled on Cersei as he did with Dany?
(2) Finally Sansa gets her due! Though I think it was the writers telling some fans to stop thinking of Sansa as less than Arya and Bran (and Brienne) because she doesn’t have combat skills or special powers.
(3) YES THE ICE DRAGON!! Was wondering how they would get past The Wall.
Sansa not only survived but she pretty much did so on her own. She was surrounded by enemies and could trust no one when she was in King’s Landing. Sure, Tyron was kind to her and The Hound offered to take her away but she didn’t know she could trust them. Even Lysa threatened her. Little finger manipulated and used her and sold her into the horror that was the Boltons. Only when Theon finally shoved Myranda off the balcony did she finally have an ally. While Arya, fierce though she may be was almost always surrounded by friends & help. First, she had Yoren, Gendry & Hot Pie. Even when she was Tywin’s captive at Harrenhaal, he didn’t even know she was a girl & she had Gendry & Hot Pie while A Man was killing her enemies and helped her escape with her friends. They then fell in with a Beric & Thoros and then she had her little road trip with the Hound. Until she could protect herself, Arya had protection. Sansa never did.
Things I liked:
Dany showboating on Drogon. She was on Mommy and Drogon time and didn’t want to give up her bonding time to meet Trump in a dress. Cersei looked pressed that she was upstaged since she tried to do the same thing minutes before Dany got there.
Dany and her servant’s “very subtle” talk after Tyrion left the pit.
Beric, Jorah, and Tyrion’s sexy voices.
Jon’s tight and pale booty.
Theon standing up for himself and going after his sister. The books spit on the idea of last minute heroes but I still liked what the show did. Hopefully this means we get to see Yara next season.
The Stark sisters double teaming LF and LF begging for his life.
The music, sound effects, and visuals of the last 5 or so minutes of the episode.
The two black people on the show still being alive. Actually, all the brown people making it to last season. Probably one of my favorite parts of the entire series.
I hate how they use Bran for exposition to reveal Jon’s parentage. Robot Bran deserves better than that as he is just as important as any other Stark. I would have preferred him learning more about how to defeat the NK instead. They also need to define how his powers work. At least he was in the episode though.
What I didn’t like: almost everything else.
I think D&D have given up on Game of Thrones and they just want the show to end already. It’s clear that they’re not even trying anymore. The character development, storylines, and dialogue have all been in general awful. There were a few bright moments, but most dull and uninspired nonsense.
The dragonpit scene was a mess. All of them have history or some interesting connection: Dany & Cersei’s servant, The Hound and Zombie Mountain, Smartest Man in Westeros and Trump in a dress, but it was written as if they didn’t have connections at all. They could have easily thrown in a few one liners for Dany and Cersei’s servant but the only one who really had anything to do was Lena.
Jon ruining the plan he set up. Jon in general. I find it really annoying that he is Gary Stuing his way to the Iron Throne. I will say this though: Jon could’ve bent the knee to Cersei and she still would have everyone killed in the end. Cersei wants to be the ONLY one left standing.
All the stupid dick/dickless jokes. GRRM wrote dick jokes in the books but he was never this heavy handed and juvenile about it.
Cersei turning out to be a punk twice in one episode. She had a chance to kill punk ass Jaime and Smartest Man in Westeros but didn’t. Like a true narcissist she takes no responsibility for anything that has happened to her. Tyrion is not the reason why your children are dead. Your family being shitty people and getting their comeuppance is the reason why everything happened the way that it did. All of Cersei’s misery is of her own making. That season clearly showed she has no idea what consequences actually means. I need that bitch to die.
That weak sex scene. I am one of the few people that doesn’t give a crap about Dany and her subject being related. I didn’t have an issue with Cersei and her servant’s incest relationship either.
The Hound messing around with the wight in the beginning. I thought he was going to cause another stupid fight.
Rhaegar and Lyanna being two shitty people full of shitty ideas. Why did the writers choose to have Rhaegar be so disrespectful not only to Elia but to his firstborn son and firstborn daughter? So that piece of shit annuls the first marriage then takes the new bride to the old brides home turf, marries her and then hides her there while the first bride languishes back in King’s Landing. Disgusting.
I was kind of scared that smartest man in Westeros was going to get killed. Surprisingly enough I am glad he is still alive. I do have this horrible feeling though that he is going to cause something bad to happen to Dany. I don’t care if he hurts Jon. Since the writers love to make Tyrion a hero, maybe they only want to make it look like he is jealous but ultimately becomes the good guy in all this.
“Rhaegar and Lyanna being two shitty people..” I agree. Because at the time that they were getting married and naming Jon as Aegon, Aegon the real first born, was still alive. How unbelievably crappy. That the writers chose that name for Jon, because I don’t think that that is in the books is so weird that it almost seems like an accident, like a discrepancy.
The hidden Targaryn in the book was Aegon which Weiss and Benioff appropriated witbout any logic whatsaover
And rhaeger lynna: you deserve everything that came
Lying two faced who couldn’t come clean that they eloped
Used the first wife’s home for their nefarious stupidity while allowing her being killed
Shit all alone
Unless this is a big build up of why Jon Sand/ Snow/ Dragon/ Targaryn is a inferior substitute and cannot stand between Dany and her OTL Iron throne
I will spend the nxt 8 months being royally pissed everytime one mentions GOT
I, for the life of me, wish they had included Aegon. It might alleviate some of my guilt about disliking Dany. I will also spend the next eight months being super pissed, so we can all be pissed together.
I just have so much disdain for so many of the characters right now that it’s hard to form a connection to them.
“The Hound messing around with the wight in the beginning. I thought he was going to cause another stupid fight.”
OMG! Seriously! When he knocked on the box I yelled out loud “WTF is WRONG with you??!!!”
What’s the problem with him knocking the box?
Hi Pumpkin…I can’t reply directly to you…hope you see this. My problem with it was that he was the one who threw the rock during the last episode…the rock that demonstrated to the wights that the lake was now frozen over…and led to them attacking everyone.
So when he knocked on the box and riled the wight up…I was afraid that the thing was going to break out of the box and attack everyone on the ship.
Sort of like “Dude, haven’t you learned not to mess around with the wights yet?”
Hi Pamela. Thanks ! OK, I didn’t get you were referring to the scene on the ship, I was thinking about the Dragonpit.
It’s not his fault though, that’s how the scene (stone-lake) was written and there was a reason for that.
OTT: I discovered a few weeks ago that Carice van Houten can very well.
I have to say I am skeptical of Sansa and Arya embracing Daenerys…will they bend the knee? I find it unlikely. Although, Sansa was clearly putting on a show for Baelish when she registered displeasure about Jon and D marrying. It seems like she just wants Winterfell to still be standing in the end.
Yes, J & D will totally have a baby, but why do I feel like Dany won’t take it well when she finds out that Jon is actually the rightful Targaryen heir? Will this cause a rift? Will Jon stay with his “pack” in the end?
I agree that Dany will not take it well when Jon’s true parentage is revealed. She’s built herself as the true heir of the Iron Throne, there’s no way she’ll relinquish it to Jon. His d ain’t THAT great.
yeah, and then there was that look on Tyrion’s face like he was not happy about these two hooking up. He probably senses it could go awry.
His d might not be but damn can he work his tongue
Me to Weiss and Benioff after Dany and Jon sleeps together and the Aemon Targaryn thingi:
Dracarys
Nothing more to say
HAHAHA!!!—-YES! Literally the only bright part of this shiteshow is when she says that single word and drogon toasts the bad dudes. If only life could imitate art just a teensy bit…ah well…
#whateveriwasonlyeverthereforthedragonsanyway
Oh yeah at this point, I iust wanna see dany on drogon vs night king on vischereon. Yello vs blue fire
REMInd me again what baelish did to john arryn and how everything started? i was so tired of him and happy hE died.
Baelish got Lysa Arryn to poison Her husband, the King’s Hand, who knew about the twin’s incest. Lysa then wrote a letter to Catelyn saying the Lannisters had him murdered to create Stark-Lannisters discord and so Ned (who had been fostered with Jon Arryn) would go down south to investigate. Chaos!
“Chaos is a ladder”.
I enjoyed staring at him. I find AG is a very good looking and talented actor.
He is, isn’t he? Looks way better without the LF hair/facial hair. Also Pumpkin I don’t understand your earlier reference to Carice Van Houten.
A very sketchy accent though. Not sure how the Dublin accent came to Westros. I had a soft spot for Littlefinger, he was such a little shit but her protected Sansa (who I love) in his own weird, twisted way (okay AFTER selling her to the Boltons). But I was glad to see him go.
I *think* the show is trying to sell us Rhaegar and Lyanna as star crossed lovers, but I want just one character next season to point out how irresponsible running away together was. Rhaegar spirited Lyanna away to his wife’s homeland and then gave Jon the same name as his discarded son! What an insult.
Nice to see Jaime from the book reappear. It’s been a long time coming. Cersei was hideous to him in that last scene. He’s definitely going North, but whether he goes alone or manages to pick up some troops along the way is another thing. He’d better be important to the endgame, otherwise Team Living have lost a dragon and the wall for the net result of gaining him :p
Sansa is not happy with Jon. Should be interesting to see the Starks meet Dany.
Honestly the most unrealistic thing about all of it was Bran having waited a whole season to dig further into the vision of the secret baby he had last year. Everyone on Celebitchy would’ve jumped on that immediately. He has every piece of gossip in history at his fingertips!
Star-crossed lovers who just met like 5 minutes before running away. According to the books Lyanna just met Rhaeger for the first time and found his harp playing super awesome. So because of that she decides to run away with a married father of two. Doesn’t tell anyone. Goes on a glorious honeymoon in his wife’s lands while her father and brother are murdered and tens of thousands of people including innocent small folk are killed. The book was trying to prove that Rhaegar was actually an upstanding guy and Robert was just jealous. The TV show is on the other hand saying that Rhaegar really was a selfish villain and Lyanna complicit. WTF!?
Cercei it’s like an caricature now her character lost all her personality, purpose and humanity. They ruined her she was great in the books.
Cersei was all “look what you made me do”, she should be glad ravens can’t carry the receipts around.
Cersei is crazy and I’m glad Jamie finally saw it. He’s riding North, just as he promised he would.
The scene of snow falling in King’s Landing was haunting especially as it showed the streets and the Red Keep deserted. The grey filter really drove home how dire the situation is going to be for the people of Westeros.
Fantastic interaction between Cersei and Tyrion. After all is said and done, they are family. That’s why Cersei couldn’t order either Jamie or Tyrion to be killed. Blood is always thicker than water. It’s also why Tyrion fails with his plans over and over again. He can’t harm his own family and he doesn’t want to.
Same for Arya and Sansa and Bran. As their father said, they must protect each other. I always thought they were playing Littlefinger. Sansa has been wise to his machinations since the start of this season, that’s why we saw her sniping at him and not giving him time to say anything. Then suddenly she was turning to him for advice and letting him know her thoughts? Sansa has grown a lot and as Tyrion and Jon said before, she is smarter than she lets on.
Jon and Dany scene was more love scene than sex scene. Loved it. Short and sweet but passionate and raw enough. It was amazing, especially if you take out the voiceover and just watched it without the other scenes mixed in.
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Leave it to Jon Snow to take it as a personal challenge that Daenerys can’t have a child. He seemed eager to prove her wrong. And that means Daenerys is soooooo getting pregnant!!! Oh, and nice bum Aegon Targaryen. Hahaha!
Alfie Allen is quite a fine actor. Great scene between Theon and Jon Snow. Jon telling Theon he can embrace both Greyjoy and Stark sides can mean Jon will also embrace both Stark and Targaryen sides of him next season.
Tormund and Beric aren’t dead. Too simple of a death for a fan favourite like Tormund. Beric…I don’t think he’s fully served his purpose yet. He and Tormund were on the other side of the Wall that came down. They should be safe.
My thoughts exactly, however, I feel like this is foreshadowing something sad happening to Jon or Dany next season. Loved that Theon is finding redemption for all of his sins. Was hoping that Cersei would help but knew she was just playing them all. Glad that Jamie finally saw her for what she is. Hope she dies painfully next season. Loved the scene with Arya killing Littlefinger. Since I think a lot of the major good guys will die next season, I wonder who will sit on the Iron Throne? Sansa, Tyrion? Would love it if Brienne showed a little interest in Tormund.
YES! I am saddened by all the negative comments.
I WAS SO HAPPY JON AND THE KHALEESI FINALLY DID IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVED IT!!!!!!! LOVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe I’m just a perv, ha! But i have been waiting and drooling for this to happen.
I WOULD LOVE THERE TO BE A BABY (i’m erm, I’m ignoring the whole incest thing. Um, plus that was normal in the past with royalty….right? So it’s okay right? HAHAHAHAHAHA I’m just going to pretend they’re not related. Although maybe incest is what gives them their fire resistance hahaha)
Also I can’t wait for Tormund and Brienne to hook up too!
I also loved Jon and Dany getting together! I don’t care if she’s his blood aunt; the Targaryans used to marry siblings I think, and they didn’t know each other in a familial way or anything. ANYWAY: I don’t think they are terrible actors, I just think some people, especially a ruler like Dany who has been through so much, learn to carefully school their emotions in front others. Maybe I’m just projecting how I’d feel onto her, but she seems emotive enough to me in a restrained manner, and so does he, and they look so cute together, and have so much in common! (They both want to create a better world, etc.) . And if Brianne and Tormund have even one night of happiness together, I’d be beyond thrilled. What else? I LOVED LOVED LOVED the Stark women beating Lord Bailish at his own game. And Sansa was smarter than her father, because she didn’t tip her hand, like Ned Stark warning Cersei she’d be accused, but instead Sansa caught her enemy unawares. Sansa is truly one of my favorite characters… I LOVED LOVED LOVED the emotional scene where Cersei said all the reasons she hates Tyrion, and he exposed his heartache and defended himself, and in the end, she couldn’t have him killed. Families are families; sisters and brothers always partly hate and partly love each other: I love it!! It was also great seeing Jaime see his sister for how awful she has become. What else?…I thought it was moving that Jon Snow told Theon he’s a Greyjoy…AND a Stark, that he had part of Ned Stark with him always. I thought for the outsider bastard-now-king to be reassuring the confused, tormented traitor/coward of his place in the family, well, I thought that was sweet. I’m probably forgetting a lot, but I found it really satisfying!! It’ll be hard to wait for the last season. Maybe then I’ll read all the books afterwards!
Despite their blood connection, Jon and Dany have been giving off this star-crossed lovers vibe since they met up and I have no problem with it. Their characters are suited to each other in some significant ways: Jon is the first guy who has come along who wasn’t playing an angle, but was straightforward about what he hoped to accomplish through an alliance with her. He is completely unlike all of the other male characters she became ‘involved’ with. I even like the actors.
Totally. That was hot. I’ve been feeling like I’ve been watching a different show from all this discontent about them being together. I think they are really hot and have deep respect and love for each other. I see the chemestry oozing, I don’t know why everyone else doesn’t.
@Rainbow Pretty much my thoughts too. I seem to be in the minority, but I enjoyed this episode. I enjoyed the Dany/Jon scene (especially his tight backside).
I would love to see more of the history of Lyanna and Rhaegar.
I don’t understand what Dany sees in emo Jon Snow, I mean…she’s had Khal Drogo, but she’s fine with settling for sadface. Meh
That’s what the writers decided to do with the characters. The problems is that the actors don’t have chemistry.
Well, maybe it’s just me, but as hot as Khal Drogo was, he was still basically a warlord who had no problems with killing and looting and raping, whose intention was coming to Westeros and destroying everything and everybody in his path. So I can definitely see what Danny sees in Jon, who is the total opposite of him. Jon cares about other people, he’s forgiving and reasonable, and protects others even at the cost of risking his own life, etc. (you get the idea). At least that’s my reading of their situation. I just wish George RR Martin would have avoided the whole ‘they’re related’ thing, or at least make them veeery distantly related. It would make it much easier to root for them. Oh, well…
Jon Snow is honourable and champion of the downtrodden. He literally took a knife to the heart for his people and his principles and beliefs.
Drogo was a great warrior but also a rapist. Daenerys didn’t fall in love with him naturally. She herself acknowledged that Drogo raped her. Even Daario was aggressive in pursuing Daenerys and was obviously interested in her power. She’s said it all when she met Jon Snow: she’s been used and abused by men all her life. She didn’t trust Jon Snow at first for that very reason.
But Jon is the complete opposite. He doesn’t give her any signs of attraction and interest on his part because he is focused on other things and it’s not really in his nature to take what is not freely given. He’s always been respectful of Daenerys but also firm in his own beliefs. He and Daenerys see each other as equals.
Is it any wonder why Daenerys loves him? He’s unlike any man she’s known and Jon Snow has never betrayed her even when he was given reason to, when Cersei demanded he bend the knee.
Yeah, Dany was surrounded by very strange men all her life. Her deranged brother basically sold her to Drogo in return for the promised power after mistreating her for years (‘you woke the dragon’), Drogo was a great warrior but also a cruel man, who enjoyed going to wars and enslaving other people, Jorah Mormont betrayed her and then fell in love with her, giving her the puppy eyes all the time (I know, he was loyal later and he did save her life many times, but still), Daario sided with Dany after killing his two ‘partners’ (or whatever they were called). And he was all ‘my queen, let me kill this one for you’, ‘killing is great’, blahblahblah.
(I never liked Daario (the book or the show Daario) and I have the bad feeling that he’ll show up again in season 8, siding with Cercei, betraying her for leaving him behind.)
Then comes Jon. He’s outspoken, but respectful, he doesn’t go back on his word, he repeatedly puts his life in danger for others.
“Is it any wonder why Daenerys loves him? He’s unlike any man she’s known” – so true.
Rainbow, I love your analysis!! Right on!! 🙂
Fair points, I guess. It’s possible that I don’t like character because of how the actor portrays him. Or I just really don’t like Jon Snow for whatever reason.
Based on what two people have told me about Martin’s writing, especially in the last book, and his psychology as a novelist: for instance, using actual historical people/events as a crutch to excuse his excesses with his own characters, I am going to spare myself the novels. Besides, at the rate he’s going, he may never finish.
I actually didn’t like the finale much. I felt like the meeting lasted way too long considering not much happened. It was kind of a letdown. The pacing of the season was weird. Some thing moved so fast, others so slow. Why didn’t Bran know about the manage. You would think he would review what happened.
I’m just sad we are going to have to wait more than a year for a resolution.
My thoughts so far:
I love the title of this episode.
When Brienne tells The Hound that Arya is alive, why did they shoot the scene from behind? I would have loved to seen emotion in his face.
Why did The Hound and Gentry? leave the scene to have a drink and “catch up”? They could have stood by somewhere.
Well done Sansa and Arya. When Littlefinger mentioned the letter and Sansa didn’t even blink, I loved it. For one moment I thought he’d manage to save himself.
Peter Dinklage was spectacular in the scene with Cersei when they were alone.
I was surprised that Cersei didn’t put that much resistance – I swear I thought she’s make some damage as in taking someone hostage or killing them.
The Iron Thrones belongs to Jon Snow (he is still Jon Snow to me).
Jon Snow and Danny don’t know they are blood relatives. Why did the writers decide they should have sex? For controversy? No likey. It’s like glorification of incest of sorts.
The final scenes with the walkers and the ice dragon came too early? What will the next season be about? Because now it’s 1. they have to defeat the walkers; 2. the power game for the throne.
That final scene makes me way too eager to watch the next season, it’s not something I felt at the end of season 6.
At this point, I think it is obvious Dany and Jon’s child will be sitting on the iron throne at the end of the series.
Yes that could be but that means the creators of the show will have to do a long forward towards the future at some point, and where would be the story? I think one of the longrunning character should sit on the throne so the whole show progression and individual stories make sense.
There is no other reason for Dany and Jon to hook up. The ick factor alone would keep it out of the script.
Unless the war goes on for 18 years. A baby can’t rule, a regent would rule in his/her place. It seems like Dany’s fate is to be betrayed for love and to die and meet up with her Khal Drogo when she gets pregnant. So either she gets stabbed in the belly during pregnancy or dies giving birth. Either way she is not the Prince that was promised.
Crackpot theory: what if the baby is sacrificed to the WhiteWalkers as a peace offering to end the war?????
The Hound stayed. Gendry wasn’t there. It was Pod and Bronn. Jerome Flynn and Lena Headey don’t do scenes together because there is some major personal conflict between them. And there was no plot reason for either Pod or Bronn to stay there.
Thanks @LP. Where is my head, of course The Hound stayed for the scene with the walker.
I am in dire need for a Game of Thrones for the dummies. And will watch all seasons again without skipping any scene. I am the least informed of all people watching this show.
I don’t know how to put this but was there something about manhood (sexually speaking) in this episode? When Jamie and Bron spoke about how to c*ck rules a man’s life, then Tyrion about better brothels, then Theon who has his bits cut off is attacked by that guy who kicks him there trying to subdue him, surprise, and then JS talking about the possibility that Danny can be a mother and then, no surprise. Or was it all just random?
And yes, I have everything I want.
I think that is an astute observation. This show was about c*cks (or the lack therof – and how there is POWER in the lack of a c*ck – hello Theon) and yet…. the women are ruling Westeros. Interesting.
Bronn and the other guy left the scene because Lena and the guy who plays Bronn had a romantic relationship in real life in the early 2000’s. They were on okay terms after the breakup but when Lena’s aunt was interviewed she said Lena really can’t stand him and he can’t be bothered with her. The tea is that Lena refuses to film any scenes with him.
The guy who played Joffrey used to mention how friendly Lena was on set to all the actors sending them funny and nice notes except for Bronn lol. She hates him and he hates her too apparently.
Oh wow. Interesting. I was thinking that those two leaving the scene was kinda curios but this? LOL.
This season was a real mixed bag–the pacing was an issue and the plot was messy, I think they pulled everything together for the finale. A few thoughts:
I was waiting for The Wall to fall and it didn’t disappoint.
If anyone is going to be able to surf a falling ice chunk, it’s Tormund. I hope he isn’t dead, because his send off is weak.
I loved watching that Littlefinger scene. So great. I don’t want to heat sh*t about Sansa again.
I think the Rhaegar and Lyanna story line is going to be way more complex in the books. And I hated the was they made Rhaegar look.
Couldn’t care less about Dany and Jon.
The Hound will always be my favorite.
Overall, I can’t say I’m super excited for next season. I have a feeling the pacing will again be an issue. I just hate the way they are racing to the end. Still, I’m curious to see how it wraps up. I think Dany will have a a baby, but I don’t know if she survives. The Night King will be defeated. Cersi will die and probably Jaime as well. I’m thinking Jon will probably rule. It seems all very predictable right now, so I’m really hoping there is one more big WTF moment.
I laughed out loud at Rhaegar. They clearly saved Viserys’ wig.
I noticed that too, it was distracting…and hilarious. I wonder if it was the same actor.
Note also that we only saw him in profile from the side. We never got a good full on look. And what we did see made him look fugly, like Lyanna fell for that fug face?
Also possible that Jon is the one to die. Again. His only reasons for resurrection may be 1. Save the World and 2. Father future ruler of said world.
Just a thought 🤔
Must happier with this episode than the crummy one from last week.
Twin Peaks killed it last night. GOT was dissapointing.
Oooh, I haven’t had a chance to watch it yet! Good to hear it makes up for that rotten season finale.
I liked this week better than last week but like Kaiser I had to force my interest in Theon. It felt like they had no idea what to do with him.
-The House Targaryen is Westeros’ answer to the Hapsburgs. All kinds of close marriages that eventually ended in fertility problems and high infant mortality. Also, one of the kings of Spain was very deformed and suffered from serious health problems. They all had the same chin, exaggerated in some but just enough to mark them in others like Marie Antoinette.
I also thought there might be another nod to history with Cersei’s pregnancy. I was thinking of Queen Mary and her phantom pregnancies. The last being a tumor that killed her leading the way for the glory that was Queen Elizabeth l.
-Finally, Jamie woke the hell up. She is a crazy loon and has been for a long time but it isn’t too late for a little redemption.
-Jon and Dany. Will it last? Will he plant a little Targaryen in Dany so that they end up carrying the line forward? Or do they become enemies and there is a GOT custody battle? I read they are planning spin offs so maybe???
-Thank you for the payoff with Littlefinger because I was getting annoyed. Though I would have liked it written better over a longer season, more about Bran’s knowledge. Well written of course.
-Who is the Night King and will we get a full story?
-What happened to all the other beings that existed? Any Wildings left?
I hope they realize they need a full season to end it without being sloppy but who knows.
I find it interesting when people say Daenerys and Jon together doesn’t make sense and why the writers put them together. Um, the whole point of this series is the two characters meeting and converging. Jon and Daenerys all along. Martin has formed the ending in his mind and told Benioff and Weiss about this before the start of the show. Daenerys and Jon have always been endgame. The cast knows this, too. 7 seasons have been building up to this. The entire ASoIaF series have been written with Daenerys and Jon as one. This has been the whole point of the books.
Also, people grossed out by Daenerys and Jon, and saying it glorifies incest: Martin originally planned Arya and Jon as endgame couple instead of Daenerys and Jon. Way worse than aunt and nephew, and Jon and Arya grew up together as siblings! Wonder what people would say had Martin stuck to his original Jon/Arya/Tyrion love triangle??!!
I’ll take Daenerys and Jon over that. At least I can see why Daenerys and Jon would be a couple and why they’d be attracted to each other.
My only issue with it is that they don’t know they’re related. Given the history of the Targaryens and incest, I don’t know if Dany would be as freaked out about it. I think she’ll be more upset that she has someone to challenge her rule.
But I would have to think Jon would be really freaked out about nailing his aunt.
I doubt it would make much of a difference once they find out. Daenerys grew up thinking she would marry Viserys. Targaryens have Valyrian blood, which means they have some magical genes and some even have literal “dragon blood” in their genetics. Marrying within the family has been their norm for thousands of years.
I might be the only one here who doesn’t think Daenerys would mind Jon Snow being a Targaryen. She sees Jon as her equal and respects him a lot. She’s also seen just how much he’s willing to sacrifice for other people. They’re very similar to each other. She would likely welcome the fact that Jon is family.
Maester Aemon said it in season 1: “A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing.” Daenerys has always wanted a family, to belong. She has that now with Jon and if she does get pregnant and gives birth, then she would have achieved her dream of having a family of her own.
As for Jon…he might be a bit shocked but his relationship with Daenerys should progress enough to overcome that. It’s not like Starks didn’t practice marrying within the family either. Jon’s maternal grandparents were first cousins. Uncle/niece marriages were also in the Stark family history. Sansa was engaged to her cousin Robyn Arryn in the show, too, and Sansa wasn’t against it because they’re related but because Robyn was a child.
I think they’d both be fine with it. At this point it’s an unspoken fact that they’re in love. Jon Snow wouldn’t have sex with a woman he doesn’t love. He is thst honourable. Also why Tyrion had an ominous look on his face as he realized what the two were doing in Daenerys’s cabin. Love can make people do stupid things LOL
Yes Rainbow. ALLL OF THIS!!!
I do believe Dany and Jon both will be shocked with the truth, but it would be very selfish and petty of her to Deny Jon his birthright. I think she respects him and loves him enough to accept it. Also, Jon won’t want the throne and will most likely reassure Dany that he will pass it up for her because it’s what she really wants. (not that it’s necessarily what will happen, but that will be his sentiment at first).
Also, Dany is totally going to get preggo. And Jon being the honorable man her is, with the same reason in S1 where he explained why he was still a virgin and never screwed Ros (rip!) in the brothel was because he was afraid of getting a woman pregnant and having a bastard child. Once he finds out Dany is pregnant he will marry her if they haven’t gotten married already, which will mean they can rule together as King and Queen anyway.
@ Jean Grey, exactly!! Jon doesn’t want the Iron throne. He didn’t even want to be King in the North. But he is honourable and wants to protect his people so off he went as King. The only way he would accept the Iron throne is if something bad happens to Daenerys and they have a child who will inherit, only then do I think he will rule Westeros to ensure their child continues their legacy and the Targaryen family.
And from their talk in the dragon pit, Jon soooo wants Daenerys pregnant. He seemed bent on proving Daenerys wrong about her not able to have kids, he’s like “Oh really? Let my magical, resurrected d*** prove otherwise!” LOL. We might have just witnessed baby Targaryen being conceived on that boat.
Exactly! And “death pays for life” so Viserion, her “child” and his death, pays for her human child’s life.
@Rainbow, THIS! Aaaaaaaaalllllll of this!!!
Here is a really interesting theory I just read on Vanity Fair – the Jon/Arya/Tyrion love triangle has been replaced with a Jon/Dany/Tyrion love triangle. That’s why Tyrion was staring at the door last night. And also why he pleaded for Dany not to go North and rescue Jon. After reading the breakdown, i think it’s a pretty solid theory. Maybe we’ll see Jon and Tyrion fight each other.
That makes sense !
The Targaryens didn’t marry themselves to preserve some “magical blood”. They intermarried to keep power within the family. Same reason monarchies of old did. There is less chance of a stranger marrying into the family who would overthrow the entire inbred family. GRRM modeled them and the Lannisters from European royalty.
So fans bending themselves into pretzels to claim the Targaryen incest is justified over the Lannisters or any other incest are inaccurate. The Targaryens got away with it because ‘might makes right’. The religion of the 7 doesn’t condone incest, but since the Targaryens were the ones funding the church, rules were bent for them. Anyone pointing a finger at their sick behavior can be roasted with dragon fire. Same with annulments not existing in the religion of the 7, but Rhaegar made it happen. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Where the Hell is Gendry? Did he stay at the Wall with Tormund and Beric? Did he go to Kings Landing with Davos but just didn’t go to the Dragon pit? Is he on Dragonstone making weapons and a new hammer for himself?
What about Bronn?
The respect between Brienne and The Hound and their concern for Arya was fantastic.
Run, Tormund, run!
The lone wolf dies but the pack survives. Cersei is now the lone wolf, all family gone.
This is one of the biggest questions I have as well. The last time we saw him was when he made it to Eastwatch. Did he sail back with them to Dragonstone or KL? I hope he’s still not at Eastwatch!?!?
I love the plot to kill Little Finger! Him dying slowly and painfully by Arya’s and Sansa’s hand was magnificent! I still ship Dany and Jon. They’re hot, so whatever. And even though everyone was like, you stupid, you should have lied, I admire Jon’s commitment to his principles. Yes it puts him at risk of dying but I just have always thought if more people were willing to defend their believes and not succumb to the ways of the world, we wouldn’t be living on such a mess of a planet, so yeah, still like Jon. I hate Cersei, HATE her; I hope that was the last time I had to watch her disparage Jaime, I hope he has finally have enough. Did you guys see how she looked at Brienne when she was looking at Jaime? freaking psycho senses there’s something there. I really hope Jaime’s on his way to winterfeld. Jorah?
Me too! I love Jon and Daenerys together. I think their relationship is more complex and layered than “but they’re related!!!” Or “they’re both young and hot so why not?”
Take their scene in the dragon pit. Daenerys tells him she can’t have children and Jon tells her maybe the witch was wrong and has she ever thought about it that way? Everyone else would have accepted that as truth but Jon challenges it like he’s challenged her many times before. There is mutual admiration and respect there and after the Wall sequence of events, is it really odd to see why they’d fall for each other? They’re two sides of the same coin. Both willing to sacrifice for the greater good. They see each other as equals, too.
You can add me aboard the Dany and Jon ship!
I loved almost everything about the episode last night.
Cersei’s double crossing made me wonder what exactly her and Tyrion agreed to and why he looks so worried at the prospect of Jon and Dany as a couple. Love complicates things, sure but what else could he be thinking?
The love scene although nicely done with Bran’s narration and the perfect timing where he says “he loved her” although talking about Rhaegar and “she loved him” speaking of Lyanna but showing both Jon and Dany’s faces was a nice touch, but I wish they had fleshed out the lead up to where they actually decide to sleep together. It’s like Jon just walk in, gave her the Valyrian steel stare into her soul and then they just got it on.
I watched again and I’m hoping Tormund and Beric are still alive. Seems like they made it to the side of the wall that didn’t fall. Beric has more more work to do. Dont think tge Lord of Light brought him back all of those times just to be buried in an avalanche. And well Tormund is just my favorite Ginger.
The Hound just confirmed Cleganebowl 2018/19!! Now that’s a fight!
Dany says she can’t have kids and Jon is all “challenge accepted!”
“AeJon Targaryen is the Prince that waas Promised. Confirmed. He is the living embodiment of Ice and Fire
As for Elia and Rhaegar, their marriage was political, because the Targs always had issues that Dorn never bent The knee. The most emotion we gather from Elia in the books was that she was “fond” nd of Rhaegar. It was more a marriage of duty for both. Also, she’s Dornish and they are ok with polygamy, Paramores, etc. The annulment happening in her hometown leads me to believe she was ok with it.
Rhaegar, Aerys, Elia and the kids were already dead when Ned found Lyanna. She could have decided on naming him Aegon because Rhaegar was so obsessed with the prophecy and as tribute she gave him that name.
Theon getting his figurative balls back was awesome.
Jaime getting his back from Cersei was a “fk Yes!” moment.
Sansa brought all the receipts to the Littlefinger roast. Arya with no hesitation on the execution. Bran coming through with the useful info in real time finally.
NK riding Viserion was sad but bad ass.
Excuse typos I’m on the bus!! Lol
Good point @JeanGrey. There must be more to the Tyrion and Cercei scene.
Yes. I keep thinking the same way she couldn’t go through will killing Tyrion is the same way he probably has been subconsciously sabotaging all of his plans against her. Blood and family is thicker than water.
I didn’t like the fact that Tyrion looks so worried either. I mean, from his point of view, a marriage (whether for political or other reasons) between these two would be a good thing, right? He was the one who was pressing Dany for appointing/naming somebody her successor, given the fact that she ‘can’t’ have children. This would solve everything from his point of view.
I understand that there will probably be a reluctance from the Northeners at the beginning to accept Dany as a queen, but given the fact that Jon has already bended the knee, and therefore she’d technically be their queen anyway, I don’t see why them being together would make Tyrion so worried.
I hope it’s just the writers of the show trying to mislead us again (like they did with the whole Sansa/Littlefinger/Jon thing at the end of last season), or maybe that was their way of showing us that this romance will probably not have a happy ending for Dany and Jon.
“He was the one who was pressing Dany for appointing/naming somebody her successor, given the fact that she ‘can’t’ have children.”
Oh dear. So we see Tyrion and Cersei talking privately, last thing we see is Tyrion realizing that she is pregnant. Then fast forward to Cersei announcing that she agrees to the truce and will send her men to the north to fight the WW.
What if Tyrion told her that Dany can’t have kids and that in exchange for her help, he would persuade Dany to name Cersei’s kid her successor?
I mean, Cersei lied anyway…but Tyrion doesn’t know that yet….so if he thought Dany and Jon were making babies, THAT would worry him.
@JeanGrey- good post. About Rhaegar-Dornish do not practice polygamy Targareyns sometimes did – but that never required an annulment. Its massive disrespect to his princess and his kids. And if Elia was ok with it why did she agree to go back to Kings Landing from dragonstone when war broke out – as she was essentially goign there as Aerys’ hostages to kep Rhaegar in check (yes the mad king didnt trust his son) and ultimately she and her kids were brutally murdered.
Also if Elia was ok with it, then why did Rheagar and Lyanna need to hide. Their elopment led to all this trouble. And since D&D have not explained if Elia and/or her family were OK with this, this squarely outs the blame on the old dragon and the wolf for all the bloodshed in the name of love. Also just a few seconds of Rhaegar on the show after so much hype…i wish they showed us what made Rhaegar and LYanna fal in love, what caused them to want to marry and not just be paramors (like the dornish)…too less too less and now we wait a year!!!
I loved this episode. Far superior, in my mind, to the previous one.
I’m one of the minority who is holding my hand up as a Jon/Dany fan and would love more Lyanna/Rhaegar back story.
My only gripe is that they made Rhaegar look so creepily like Varys that my lady boner died! I’m just going to keep my head version of Rhaegar instead (hotter). Haha
OMG me too ! I was like, wait, is that the same actor who played Viserys, or what??
Super disappointing !!
I see the dude as hotness personified, like Camille Lacourt (French swimmer god) w platinum hair.
They really better get it together on that one (man i hope we get more w Rhaegar and Lyanna somehow… )
All marriages at that time were for political reasons: Targaryen, Stark, Baratheon and Lannister marriages. Marriages were arranged for power not love, couples grew to love each other. Caitlyn Stark was forced to marry Ned. Elia Martell was the crown princess of Westeros, set to become the queen after the death of Rhaegar’s father. It’s one thing to come from a culture where husbands and wives take *non-noble* paramours, it’s another to turn a crown Princess into a paramour–striping her and her children of legitimacy. An annulment would mean the marriage never occurred and the young Prince and Princess would become bastards. I don’t see Princess Elia being cool with that when she was known as being one of the few noble women to have fierce love for her children including breastfeeding them when the norm was to have servants do that. There is no proof in the book that such a thing exists after a marriage is consummated with children born, not in Dorn or Kingslanding.
Such a president would leave all future loyal and noble marriages vulnerable to annulment. Meaning that all marriage oaths could be broken at a drop of a hat- the noble women would forever be hostile to Lyanna (she might find a dagger literally stuck in her back one night) and house Stark would be shamed, considered Oathbreakers.
Furthermore, the Mad King knew how valuable Princess Elia was to her people that is why he was holding her hostage in the Red Keep. Dorne was forced to heel during the war for fear of harm coming to their Princess. She is a symbol to them and part of her marriage to the Rhaegar was to tie Dorne closer to the Targaryen monarchy. Her brother went to KL to avenge her because Dorne remembers.
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I loved the finale. Seeing Littlefinger destroyed at the hands of the Stark kids was awesome. I think the writers could have led up to this much better, without giving the twist away. For example, a couple episodes ago, when we see Littlefinger lurking and smirking behind a corner as Arya exits with Sanya’s letter, it would have been great if they would have shown Arya walking along, then pausing to smirk as well. We wouldn’t have known if she was happy to find the letter to bring down Sanya or happy to be playing Littlefinger for the fool. As is, the twist was satisfying but abrupt.
As for Jon and Dany, I’m one of those people who think it makes sense that they’re together. It’s the whole point of the series—fire and ice represented in these two characters. And I think Kit and Emilia are doing a fine job. They’re not as good as the older actors in the cast, but they’re among the best of the younger ones (Natalie Dormer was the only really outstanding young actor). It’ll be interesting to see how Jon handles the knowledge that Dany is his aunt, given that the writers pounded home the fact that Jon has a honorable nature in the finale (see Dragon Pit scene). And anyone who expected him to do the smart thing in that Dragon Pit hasn’t been paying attention. He’s not a politician, he’s a warrior. He won’t be sitting on the Iron Throne—or holding it for long, if he does wear the crown—unless his character arc changes drastically.
And the Wall coming down … spectacular. Can’t believe I have to wait a year (or more) to see what happens next!
Among the younger actors, Sophie (Sansa), Maisie (sp?) (Arya), and Alfie (Theon) have been pretty great, too. Plus Jack Gleeson (Joffrey).
Duuuuude. I JUST got this.
That is why Ned was just fine with Jon going to the Wall. So he wouldn’t have kids to cause issues if his true parentage (and rights to the throne) came out.
And then dude, Ned raised Jon as a bastard when he wasn’t. He gave him a bastard’s life of being thought lesser, being sidelined, being cast out and cast off, having no real prospects. But Ned also gave Jon the best thing he could in exchange; he made him his son.
Ned gave him life. As in, he made sure Jon lived safely right under Robert Baratheon’s nose. Jon didn’t have the best childhood but he was protected and loved by Ned and his kids. Ned sacrificed his good name and honour to protect Jon. He sacrificed his relationship with Catelyn for Jon, and Lyanna. He sent Jon to the Wall because there would be nobody to protect Jon in Winterfell with Ned in King’s Landing.
When Jon finds out that he’s a Targaryen, I doubt he’d be disgusted that he’s related to Daenerys. He’d be more heartbroken that Ned wasn’t his father after all.
I agree! Ned had no choice, if he wanted to save Jon’s life. He knew Robert very well, and he knew how much he hated the Targaryens. The only way to save his life was to place him right under Robert’s nose, even if that meant that Jon will be called a bastard all his life and people will believe that he didn’t keep his wows to Catelyn.
I think he ‘sent’ Jon to the wall (beside the fact that Jon also wished it) because he knew he couldn’t give him anything, no real power, no actual position at Winterfell, but at least he believed that there was honour in serving at the wall, and Jon would still have some family there (his uncle).
He did all that to protect him. Robert would have murdered him as an infant.
And when he sent Jon to the Wall, he thought Benjen would be there to help him. He didn’t know what would happen to Benjen.
When Jon told Theon he could reconcile being both Greyjoy and Stark, that to me was basically foreshadowing that Jon would feel the same about himself. He will honor his bio Dad’s honor and memory and the mother he ALWAYS wanted to know , but Ned was his father. Point blank. He is the man that raised and nurtured him. When he realizes all Ned sacrificed he will appreciate him more. Stark blood still runs in his veins. And he will learn of his Targ history from Dany which will bond them even more since they are the last Targs.
Remember what maester Aemon (Targaryen) said, that about a Targaryen alone in the world.
I still have all the feelings. Let me just crawl into a hole until 2019.
@LUCY I know. What will I obsess over while waiting for GoT to return?!
Wow, 2019? Glad you said something. I thought it would come back next year. 🙁
I CAN’T BELIEVE THEY HAD THEM F*CK WHILE BRAN REVEALED IN A VOICE OVER THAT THEY WERE RELATED haha omg the writers are just trolling us at this point. I mean, realistically, avuncular marriage has been around forever and is relatively harmless (still legal in many countries, at that), but the writers don’t care about that. They believe Cersei and Jaime have morally numbed us at this point.
I don’t think I’ve ever been quite satisfied by a man the way Littlefinger satisfied me bleeding his life out on that stone terrace.
I don’t think that was the only point. They also wanted to show that Rhaegar and Lyanna were truly in love unlike the lie that Robert perpetrated and believed all these years. Parallel that to Jon and Daenerys being in love as well. Bran saying “he loved her” as Jon knocked on Daenerys’s door and “she loved him” as Daenerys opens the door.
Even their appearances were parallel to Rhaegar and Lyanna. Daenerys had the exact same hairstyle as Lyanna did on her wedding day, just as Jon had the same hairstyle as Rhaegar.
Yes, but too bad they made Rhaegar and Lyanna trash in the name of their “great” love. I have a feeling it is going to work out just as well for Dany and Jon too, especially because of how they chose to have Bran narrate over their scene. Nothing good for them.
Team Dragon for Most Likely to Fail this season. Dany showing up on her dragons —- revealing that one is gone—- to treat with her enemies is so outrageously dumb. And I’m sure now that their terrible plans have resulted in a giant Ice Dragon ripping things apart, the North will be thriiiiiiilled to bend the knee to Dany.
I don’t think the North will be happy, but Bran knows he is on his way with her. I think Bran is aware that their union is necessary and the North was already told the reason Jon even met with Dany was for the dragons and her army. I think Bran will convince Sansa and the rest of the North that this alliance has to happen and her coming in by Jon’s side instead of swooshing in on a dragon like Jorah suggested was a better call. When they have Jon, Bran, Arya (because you know she will agree with them) and Sansa standing by that mentality, and the army of the dead knocking on their front door, they won’t have time to argue all of that. They won’t have a choice.
So much word. Jon is made of fail this season. Dany too. I’m also Team Dragons , Ghost, and Nymeria(she was smart not to go with Arya). I’m starting to root for the Night King, because most of these characters we are supposed to root for are too stupid to live.
The bright side is that all the leaks that were leaked before for this season were true. So we should know ahead of time if the final season will be a hot mess also. If the leaker is still working on show during filming.
“The bright side is that all the leaks that were leaked before for this season were true. So we should know ahead of time if the final season will be a hot mess also. If the leaker is still working on show during filming.”
Ugh. I hope they AREN’T still working there for next season. I tried to avoid spoilers, and still heard enough about most of them. It didn’t ruin the show for me, but for example, seeing the dragon dragged out of the lake and reanimated would have been SO much cooler if I didn’t know that the NK was going to end up with a dragon. It is so much better to see things roll out on film, then read about it 2 weeks prior.
I also knew that Littlefinger would die last night…took some of the oomf out of that scene too.
Yes most were true though Cerseri kept the baby instead of waking up in a bed of blood as the spoilers said she would. That tells me either the pregnancy is a fake or she loses the baby early next season in contrast to Danny giving birth to a child she could not.
I thought this season final was a little anti-climatic. You knew the dragon was going to bring down the Wall; you knew Jon & Dany were going to hook up; you knew they were going to wrap up Jon’s parental story line and you knew Cersei was going to be Cersei.
The only thing I was really excited for were Sansa and Arya tag-teaming against Littlefinger. That was satisfying.
As much as I was annoyed that GRR Martin was writing for the show instead of writing books 6-8, they really do need to bring him back for the final season.
Yeah, so predictable and the writing was SO BAD. It was a sorry contrast to last season’s finale.
It has me worried for the actual final season. I only reason why I noticed the writing got worse as this season went on is because to me, Emilia Clark’s acting improved!
Y’all can hate on me for days but watching Aidan Gillen get his throat slit by Arya KILLED ME. I may or may not be unhealthily obsessed with Littlefinger.
And yes, I know he deserved to die. Totally. But he’s so creepy that he’s my #1 shamef-ck.
I will be sad to see Aiden Gillian go. He was fantastic as LF. he does have this hot factor to him.
His voice, my god.
all I’m saying is, justice for poor Elia Martell and her children, Rhaenys and Aegon.
;'(
Couple of kills and a lot of boredom
In India, Its still common for women to marry their uncles and their kids on Mother’s side. On Father’s side Aunts and Aunt’s kids. But Aunts side are NOT ok on mother’s side and Uncle’s side are not ok on Father’s side. Its for Hindus. For Muslims in India, its the opposite I think, Not sure.
In Movies, its pretty common to have love interests within the extended family. So many songs about Aunts kids and Uncles kids and what not. lol.
Nowadays, people are more aware of the health problems so they avoid it, I think. But not because of the icky factor or anything. You grew up with it, so it doesn’t feel odd.
Dany and Jon, its all good according to Indian way.
I should add I am a South Indian. So not sure about North Indians and other cultures etc..
That happened in my Italian family a hundred years ago too. Two of my grandfather’s aunts married their uncles and had kids. Supposedly it was somewhat common.
it happened a lot in smaller, remote towns.
Errrhm, a custom only practised in selected places in South India.
We had a geneology done and my family was quite startled to learn a pair of first cousins had married each other, only 2 generations before my grandfather!!
To anyone who knows better than me, please help me out here. I read only 3 of the books so I’m likely missing out on things.
– What was with Tyrion standing in the hall looking sad while Jon and Dany went at it? I was on Reddit last night, and someone wrote that his look was a lovelorn one and that he’s been in love with Dany this whole time. People were also saying that there are rumors that he will be a villainous character next season as a result. Sounds farfetched to me, but what do you think?
– In regard to Dany and Jon: People have been saying all along that Targaryens exclusively marry each other. I’ve also read quite often over the course of this show that people have said/written that Dany isn’t barren, she just can’t have any children unless her mate has fire in his blood also. This makes no sense to me if Jon is half Stark. If Targaryens can only procreate with other Targaryens, how do we explain Jon’s birth?
THanks in advance to anyone who responds to this! This show is extremely fast paced and I do sometimes tend to “fall behind” a bit, especially this season.
There are many theories. One theory is that Tyrion’s been pushing for democracy: the next ruler will be /elected/ since Dany can’t have children. Therefore, the despot monarchy will be truly broken. However, with Daenerys and Jon doing the horizontal tango, they might end up with Dany pregnant (which I’m 99% sure will happen) and the wheel of despotism won’t be broken, it’ll just continue under Targs, and nothing really changes.
But that’s just one of the many theories.
And also, Targs don’t just procreate with their own. There’s plenty of precedent from the past – Targs have married I think Martells, Hightowers, Durrandons/Baratheons, Velaryons, Daynes, Arryns, Penroses, the list goes on. It’s just the more conservative Targs were REALLY into preserving their Valyrian looks because gosh, can’t look like them dirty westerosi.
I think that Vyseris told Dany that he wanted to marry her, but since he needed the Dothraki Army and alliance, he gave her away to Drogo.
Targs can procreate with anyone. There is a line of Bastards called the Blackfyres. Also, the Baratheons are descended from a Targ offshoot. Rhaegar ended up marrying Elia because Rhaella (their mom) did not have a female heir at the time it came to marry him off and so they married him to Elia to secure the Dornish alliance, since they historically are “unbent, unbowed, unbroken”, as their family motto says.
As for Tyrion, he may be more Lannister than he likes to admit. Tywin ingrained family over everything which is why he admitted to Tryion he didn’t abandon him to die. Because he was a Lannister, and they had pride. In the books, it’s prophesized that Dany will be betrayed for love. It doesn’t make sense that Jon will betray her. He is way too honorable and honest. It may be Tyrion who end up betraying her, which is why he’s taken so many losses with his plans against the family, because deep down he doesn’t want them dead really, just as Cersei couldn’t kill him. Tyrion killing Tywin was more like a murder of passion since he was gonna send him to his death and screwed his lover simultaneously. There is also a theory that the betrayer coudl also be Missandei, which could be juicy as well.
JeanGrey, I like your Tyrion theory. All season long, Dany’s been saying that deep down, Tyrion may not want to see his family defeated. I thought she was just being paranoid. But this season in particular, with so little time for character development, the writers tend to use dialog to foreshadow certain things and this may be one of them.
Also, we didn’t hear the rest of the conversation between Tyrion and Cersei outside the Dragon Pit—something’s going on there. Tyrion may have looked sad on the ship because he already betrayed Dany.
In my interpretation it wasn’t that Cercei couldn’t kill him. I think she REALLY wanted to, but let him live, because she needed him to convince Dany/Jon and the rest that she’ll join them. She played him very smoothly, even letting Tyrion know that she’s pregnant, to make it all more believable that she joins them to protect her unborn child, because Tyrion always knew how fiercely protective she was of her children. If she had Tyrion killed, that would’ve given away her whole plan.
I hope that not showing us how the whole conversation went down between them was just because of time restrictions.
There’s a theory on Buzzfeed that he’s bargained with Cersei after he found out that she’s pregnant. He supposedly told her Dany can’t have children and that pregnant Cersei has the upper hand, because at the end of the day Dany doesn’t have a contingency plan, and that’s how he got her to “agree” to go with their plan. And supposedly Dany and Jon banging got him worried this could change.
The Hound and Brienne I loved their interaction.
Little fingers come uppance, awesome.
But the wall falling at the end, please let Tormund be o.k.
I really enjoyed that episode, it was so well paced. Gutted to have to wait so long for what happens next.
I know this season has been a bit mixed for most people but overall I’ve liked it. I’ve had my issues with it (the doomed expedition north of the Wall to capture a wight which was a weak plotline to get Dany and her dragons north so she could lose a dragon to the Night King being a major one) and I do think not being able to rely on the books has probably made it harder for the writers to come up with original material, even if they are sort of following GRRM’s outline to end the series.
I think the shorter season has done a disservice to plot, such as rushing Daenerys’s and Jon’s romance. There isn’t a whole lot of chemistry there but I think Kit Harrington has actually gotten better with his role as seasons have progressed so I kind of believed he would develop a crush on a girl with dragons, which is unlike anything he’s ever seenl. I’ve never been the hugest fan of Emilia Clarke–she seemed okay at first but she just doesn’t have the acting chops to being badass like Lena Headey does as Cersei. Oh well. But as people have mentioned above, Jon is the first man that hasn’t used Daenerys for his own means so it makes sense on paper why she would fall for him. Viserys sold her to Khal Drogo, Drogo raped her before she taught herself to “love” him, Jorah was spying on her initially, Dario had his own motives, and then there was that dude in Meereen she was going to marry to make an alliance who tried to poison her. Either way I’m not sure this relationship will go far. I can see either one getting killed or sacrificing themselves (most likely Jon because that’s who he is at his core). And they’ve been not subtle at hinting that Daenerys is not barren and will probably bear Jon’s child.
I also feel like they are setting up Tyrion to betray Daenerys? He’s been struggling to conspire against his family all season and really does’t want them to get killed, he’s a Lannister at heart (even Cersei didn’t have the heart to ask the Mountain to kill him). And that whole forlorn Tyrion in the hallway after he saw Jon go in Daenery’s bedroom–I’m trying to figure out how all that fits in.
I knew about Arya killing Littlefinger since I was spoiled by that a few weeks ago but I did not realize the Stark kids had been in on the game the whole time so that was a pleasant surprise. That was truly a great scene, probably one of the best in last night’s episode. Also the scene where Arya and Sansa looked out at the snowy landscape and Sansa telling Arya she was still “annoying and weird,” made me laugh.
As for Ice Dragon freezing down the wall (?), to be expected but still very impressive to watch. I’m still not sure what ice Viserion can do–is it white ice lightning he is spewing out?? I thought the Wall was supposed to be magically enchanted by the Children of the Forest but I guess Ice Dragon trumps that.
How did you know a few weeks ago that Arya was going to kill Littlefinger????
There were spoilers on the ‘net.
I can see Tyrion not betraying anyone, but being one of those who protects a Targaryean baby in case something happened to its parents.
What I want to know is why was the end-credits music not John Cougar Mellencamp’s Crumblin’ Down?
I do not mind Jon and Dany together. They don’t know and the Targaryens didn’t just do incest for the hell of it. Their valryian bloodline makes it easier to control the dragons. They kept it in the family so they could always have that advantage.
The Rhaegar and Lyanna love story is some Twilight level creepiness. TV shows often romanticize affairs but even when they romanticize a hurtful act they usually show the nuances-that people get hurt, etc. Not to mention the whole war could have been avoided if they eloped openly or at least sent ravens once they realized that Aerys murdered people. I also understand that Elia and Rhaegar were not a love match. However, polygamy is rare but does happen in GOT and if Rhaegar was hellbent on leaving his loveless marriage he could have had Lyanna as a second wife and let Elia and her kids have their titles. The fact that Lyanna named her son Aegon makes me think that Rhaegar not only made the marriage illegitimate but wanted to have a new Aegon, Rhaenys, and Visenya. Also, in the books Lyanna is the equivalent of barely legal by the time she dies so Rhaegar first started courting her when she was verry young by GOT standards. Not to mention in the books the tourney of Harrenhal is before he even knows Elia can’t have anymore kids…I suspect that while the TV show is trying to make it some big romance, GRIMM will flip the story, like he often does, and reveal Rhaegar for the trash that he is sometime during the next novel.
Also, I can’t help but feel that Dany and Jon are going to die and that someone like Sansa will rule until their child is of age.
THIS
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GRRM is shading this season so hard. He said he doesn’t watch anymore. They screwed up his characters. Lyanna was supposed to be a smart warrior woman and as honorable as Ned. She is now a selfish teenager who only cared about her own pleasure. And Rhaegar is now that a slimy arsehole husband who abandoned his wife and children for some young tail. Horrible and against cannon.
Isn’t all royalty based on some version of incest? I root for them all. The dynamics of the relationships are interesting. Yes it’s incest but there is so much more going on. It’s tv people, let’s lighten up.
I doubt any GOT fan who knows Martin and the books is satisfied with this season. You built up this incredible story and ended up with writers who just damaged the whole plot. So many plot holes. Stupid conversations, bad acting. Seriously, wtf? So disappointed.
It’s my understanding that Rhaegar was a great scholar & reader. He read about the long night coming & believed in a prophesy that led him to set aside his wife. He knew a different union needed to happen in order to sire the salvation of humanity. If that’s the case, Rhaegar’s actions were noble.
Nope there was nothing noble about his actions. This just made him look like trash and it didn’t paint Lyanna any better!
Once again, Cersei comes up with a plan that is so narrowly focused on her needs, she fails to see the big picture, or consider what might go wrong and come back to bite her.
She used Tyrell gold to pay off her debts but her main source of revenue (Highgarden’s rich crop lands) is about to be snowed under. The Iron Bank might take another look at her loan application.
The Golden Company are sellswords, they don’t have any skin in the game. I doubt they’ll hang around to get caught up for dragon on dragon warfare.
Did anybody else laugh, when Bran did his ” I am the three eyed raven ” speech to Sam. I know everything, see everything blah blah blah. Then asks Sam what he was doing there. I half expected Sam to say ” Thought you knew everything mate “. Yep the scripts weren’t the best this season.
I’m on the fence about this finale. I thought last week’s ep would have made a better finale.
I always thought John & Dany had decent chemistry. I liked the little looks they gave each other. The sex scene was disappointing though. Glad we saw some naked hotties, but that ‘sultry eye gazing’ that John did looked more like surprise to me.
I was worried about Sansa and Arya there for a minute, but I’m glad they played Littlefinger. I wondered, but they did have me worried.
The rest was kind of meh. I wish Alfie Allen had a better role. He’s a better actor than what they give him.
Tormund better be alive! I need more of my OTP.
Jon is such a Mary Sue at this point it’s ridiculous. Everyone is in awe of him and his leadership skills, and he always does the right thing no matter what. So one-dimensional, and so much plot armour. To be honest, if I saw a dragon being knocked down by a guy who can resurrect dead things, I’d assume things will get much worse much sooner than I thought. And wouldn’t dither around going on a sexy cruise with my girlfriend, but I’d make sure to get my arse back to Winterfell ASAP. Hop on Drogon and you’re there much sooner. Should’ve listened to Jorah for once. I can’t believe nobody in Team Dragon posed the question of what if the Night’s King resurrected the dragon.
Theon playing his lack of cock to his advantage, loved it. I guess it was all about cocks in this episode, as Jaime said.
Speaking of Jaime, finally! I think he’s finally done with Cersei. Not sure what he plans to do on his own in the North without his troops but they made a point him being a decent military commander this season so perhaps he could help out with the strategy. And he does have a Valyrian sword. He reconnected with Tyrion so he’s going along with the only family he has left. NCW is acting the hell out of what he was given to work with this season. That face he made when Cersei told the Mountain he’s free to kill everyone cracked me up.
I thought the CGI in the end with the Ice Dragon didn’t look so good, it was a bit 80s for me. I hated the whole Rhaegar/Lyanna whitewashed wedding scene, and Jon/Dany creepily staring at each other while sexing was supposed to be romantic, lol
I BELIEVED CERSI WHEN SHE PROMISED HER TROOPS!! She does understand that the people the white walkers kill become white walkers themselves, right? So if Dany & the north are defeated she will be fighting all of them as the army of the dead? Can you imagine dothraki white walkers?? I knew she was conniving/murderous but I didn’t think she was stupid.
What was up with Tyrion at the end??? He looked…angry/worried/hurt/ IDK…..I didin’t get that scene?
Does anyone know where were the Hound, Bronn and Pod at the end? We never saw any of them again. I’m worried for Pod.
I’m ok with all of this Petty “ickyness”. Anyone of European blood has ties to incestiorial royal lineages. This is fiction, based on Martin’s factual knowledge.
Don’t watch, you won’t be missed.
Also, what chemistry do you want, mills n boon?
Subtelty is underrated.
I’m pretty sure Tyrion offered his head to Cersi in exchange for her support, once it is all said and done. I think Tyrion looked worried because once he is gone, Dani will lean on the stupidly noble and mostly incompetent Jon for advice.
Man, agree with so many of the assessments here.
I had the same thought during that longgggg-azzzzzz scene w/ Theon’s whole redemption or whatever. I was like, ok good, go find your sister, but damn, did we really need precious minutes wasted on that fight scene? Theon is a secondary character and kind of a drag.
Also agree that Emilia Clarke, while she’s lovely and adorable in interviews and stuff, delivers a pretty flat, annoying, stiff Danerys. I mean she just kinda stares when her dragon is killed. I realize she’s gotta be queenly and all but some emotion, please. She just kinda stares when anything happens.
And yeah, also agree that her chemistry with Kit Harington is flat as hell, but I still wouldn’t have minded a longer shot of his perfect naked butt.
Also, Cersei, Jamie, Tyrion, are excellently acted and superbly cast.