Welcome to today’s Bizarre Boy Beef: Marilyn Manson v. Justin Bieber edition. Whereas generally I would avoid wasting any part of my time reading about the antics of these two, the pettiness of the particular kerfuffle gives me a bit of perverse joy.
The first shot fired, supposedly, was when Bieber re-purposed an old Manson t-shirt for his Purpose merchandise line. The designer of the garment, well-respected label Fear of God, insists that they had Manson’s blessing to “reimagine” his image for Bieber’s line. I believe Fear of God*, because there is nothing Manson likes more than to see his own face. Manson, however, claims bull. His story is that when he first met Bieber during his Purpose Tour last year, Bieber was already wearing his shirt, even though he didn’t start selling them until July. According to Manson, during that first encounter, Bieber told him, “I made you relevant again.” This is where I get stuck because I could totally see Bieber saying something that arrogant while wearing someone’s stolen likeness. However, designers are usually savvy enough to get permission prior to releasing their work, not to mention Fear of God thanked and credited Manson on his Instagram page. In that same article, Manson claimed that the day after he met Bieber, he told him that he would be at the soundcheck at the Staples Center. Mason said he never intended to go or perform with Bieber but, “he believed that I’d show up, because he was that stupid.” Obviously Manson wanted to draw blood. After hearing about Manson’s little tirade, Bieber texted him to clear up any misunderstanding seeing as Bieber thought they’d “had a pretty pleasant interaction.” The two went back and forth in a text exchange that seemingly resolved the matter. It began with Bieber apologizing and saying Manson’s article “kind of stung seeing that i came off as an a–hole or even was an a–hole. I’m sorry,” and ended with Manson telling Bieber:
And don’t apologize. You weren’t an asshole. They asked if u were and I sort of agreed. I wasn’t out to get you.
If you want I’ll try to avoid more questions today on Stern.
I won’t shit talk you on Stern.
So Tuesday, Manson went on Howard Stern’s radio show, gave Stern his phone and had him read the entire text thread live on air. Buzzfeed wrote out the full exchange if you want to read them. You can listen to Manson on Stern below. NSFW – language (duh, right?)
Even Stern is trying to figure out what Manson’s game is. At the time of the alleged encounter, Manson responded publicly this way:
I think that’s a funny response. The Stern interview not so much, primarily because it forces me to defend Bieber by saying at least he reached out to Manson to apologize. But like I said, that Instagram shot was Manson’s response when it happened – in March 2016. The article in which Manson bashed Bieber posted just last week. Stern’s show was three days ago. I guess it just took Manson that long to process his feelings about the encounter…
Oh wow – look at that! Manson just released a new song and his new album comes out October 6. Plus, his tour November 14. Gosh, it’s convenient that he has this story to tack on to his promotion for his new music. Bieber was a punk to tell Manson he made him relevant again, even if it was a joke. However, Manson using this to help promote his new music is just proving Bieber right.
*Jerry Lorenzo is the designer behind the Fear of God label, but Fear of God was more fun to write in the context of this story. His line is great and you can check it out here.
Photo credit: WENN Photos and Instagram
Ugh I hate when people force me to defend JB but if he apologizes and you accepted you look like an @$$ bringing it up again. By accepting his apology you squashed it. What a tool.
Not gonna lie – I think Marilyn Manson’s music is excellent and I’m really looking forward to his new album! I’m sure they both got some publicity out of this.
I loved Pale Emperor, may even listen to it today.
I wish he’d stop being such a wankbag though in public.
Now I can’t get “The Beautiful People” out of my head. I also liked the way he covered Sweet Dreams, it was creepy.
I don’t like Bieber but I do like some of his songs.
Manson was my first metal show. Amazing small venue. I giggle at the shirt because I read it as. Just In Beiber. Lol
Okay not to be the fiery feminist this early on a Friday…but imagine the differing comments and responses if this were two female performers. Cat fight! Meow!
PREACH
These two grown men (because JB is a grown man, as much as the media portrays him as a wayward boy) are acting very melodramatic and petty.
It looks like Mansons going to bust out some Beatnik poetry in the first pic. I think they’re as idiotic as each other.
I listened to the entire Stern interview and Manson is essentially an overgrown teeenager. He went on and on about his BFF which happens to be another overgrown teenager, Johnny Depp. Showing Howard pictures of them both. So silly. She still talks like the kid in high school who needs to be ‘different’.
I don’t know, guys. I think Biebs gets a lot of well deserved flack. But I also think he gets a lot of undeserved flack at times, too. And I hate to say it, but I kind of like his new music. But at the same time, I can also enjoy a Marilyn Manson song. My music tastes are all over the board, mainly depending on my mood at the time.
Ultimately – I think JB probably did things right. And I give him props for reaching out and trying to fix things once he’d realized it didn’t seem to go as well as he’d originally thought. He’s grown a lot in the last couple of years, I think. He still can be a giant tool, but I think he is at least somewhat attempting to do better, and is mellowing out in a lot of ways.
Unfortunately, for all his intelligence and talent, Marilyn really isn’t THAT different from a teen/20something. He’s very emotional, very petty, and very egotistical. And I mean, he’s buddies with JD. He had a pretty f—ed up childhood in a lot of ways, but he’s also a 48 year old man. Justin’s age shouldn’t excuse him at all…but it’s not a good look when you’re being more petty and obnoxious at 48 than the 23 year old who is KNOWN for being obnoxious.
I do like the instagram photo though -that kind of shade/reaction/whatever is always amusing.
“but it’s not a good look when you’re being more petty and obnoxious at 48 than the 23 year old who is KNOWN for being obnoxious.”
This sums it up perfectly. I haven’t listened to newer MM music, but I loved his first 4 albums or so, and still do.
What I really hate is this trend of wearing shirts that advertise bands that you aren’t into. I don’t know JB, and maybe he is a big MM fan. I doubt it, but sure, I don’t really know for a fact. But I do know that for him to wear a MM shirt on tour, while performing all his pop music is just BIZARRE. It is the same as all the kids that buys Misfits and Guns n Roses tees at Target– but have never listened to a note of that music. WHY?
Why? Because its cool to wear them, and the bands and their management like when the cash register goes kerching! Also, its no big deal, merch is merch. These t-shirts cost more than the album itself anyway, so no one is losing.
We don’t know that these people don’t listen to the music, they may not be hardcore as you and some, maybe they know just one song and are happy with that.
I felt this exact way having been a fan of Kings of Leon since Aha Shake only for people to refer to them as that “sex on fire” band. It pissed me off cos SoF is like the worst song to come from them, considering their catalogue. Anyway, I got that they wanted mainstream success and they did, so I cant be mad at them or the fly away fans, that’s just life.
I like Justin a lot, I know his behaviour in the past has been problematic, but the thought of going through my teenage phase in the public eye with tens of millions in the bank whilst being in an obsessive relationship…. I don’t know that anyone else would have handled it. We’ve seen artists breakdown and lash out in different ways, Britney (we all saw that), Aguilera (surgery and a FCK you attitude), Demi with weight struggles, Selena with identity and confidence issues, it happens a lot, but when it happens with a guy, they get more flack while the women get sympathy.
I genuinely wish Justin the best and am rooting for him all day everyday.
Bieber was definitely the more mature of the two here. I tend to defend him because I really think he had a f’d up upbringing with soft parental guidance. And I like his new pop songs. I hope he is able to grow as a person which I think he is honestly trying to do,