As we discussed over the weekend, Sarah Huckabee Sanders was thrown out of the Red Hen restaurant in Lexington, Virginia. It made me proud to be a Virginian, honestly. But for some people, it was a sign of the “civility” apocalypse. F–k that noise. The owner of the Red Hen ended up speaking to the Washington Post about why she chose to kick out Sanders and her party, and how she took a vote among her staffers. They all voted to kick Sanders and her party out. That’s democracy. And as many of you pointed out, Sanders and all of the Trump people were proponents of refusing to serve LGBTQ people, so it should be fair enough for private establishments to refuse to serve Nazis.
Still, as I said, there was a lot of dumb pearl-clutching about what this means for society at large and “civility” in general. The Washington Post even did a staff editorial about it called “Let the Trump Team Eat in Peace.” Nope. I tend to believe that the current rash of “Trump people unable to dine out without being heckled, booed or shunned” simply means that actions have consequences, and if you’re part of an administration that is actively pursuing fascist goals, violating international human rights, and putting children in cages and concentration camps, there are consequences. Those consequences should be more than “getting kicked out of a restaurant.” Those consequences should be “your ass is going to jail.” But for now, I’ll be fine if all of these Nazi f–kers are unable to eat dinner in public for the rest of their lives.
As for the argument that private citizens who heckle the Trump Nazis and kick them out of restaurants are somehow the ones to blame for this dearth of civility, let me just say: we didn’t start the fire. Donald Trump is an arrogant, unhinged Nazi who uses his office and platform to attack private citizens and private businesses regularly. He just tweeted this about the Red Hen this morning:
The Red Hen Restaurant should focus more on cleaning its filthy canopies, doors and windows (badly needs a paint job) rather than refusing to serve a fine person like Sarah Huckabee Sanders. I always had a rule, if a restaurant is dirty on the outside, it is dirty on the inside!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 25, 2018
But please, tell me more about civil discourse when the Nazi white supremacist president of the United States is using his Twitter account to attack a small business for being “dirty” just because the employees took a vote and chose not to serve Nazis.
Photos courtesy of Backgrid, Getty.
Totally agree with the right not to serve thes horrific people but I am increasingly querying the use of the word Nazi to describe them for some reason. Surely we can think of another word? Alt right fascists? Racists?
I was hesitant to use the word Nazis as well until they started throwing brown babies into cages. At some point you have to notice the similarities of the tactics and call a spade a spade.
Yup. They are literally doing everything out of Hitler’s playbook.
NAZI was a particular political party, which was fascist, so, technically, they are fascists, not Nazis, because they haven’t enrolled in the Nazi Party.
Technically, quite true. However, if it looks like a rose and smells like a rose, well, you know the rest.
And the Swastika is a powerful symbol in Buddhism and Hinduism, however that fact doesn’t make it any better when we see the symbol tattooed on someone. It is now synonymous with being a Nazi, which became less recognized as a political party and more recognized for the horrors they inflicted. Their leader, a racist, homophobic megalomaniac, did not start out the Nazi party with all the insane stuff he did. He slowly worked his way up, very much like what is happening today in the US. And when a lot of his supporters are also Nazi supporters, the parallel isn’t hard to make between the two. We NEED to watch this unfold and we NEED to see the comparisons because at some point these supporters are going to say, “But but we didn’t see the signs!” when its been in our faces all along.
I agree with you, LP. They are fascists. But I also would like to point out that some of the people that support this fascist regime have carried swastika flags and shouted “Jews will not replace us!” So although they may not be a part of the actual Nazi party, some of them seem to embrace it so……at some point the term applies, at least to some of them.
Nazi is short for the german word Nationalsozialist ( National Socialist).
The political party was called NSDAP
You’re right Nazi is not an appropriate word here…..perhaps we should call them neo Nazi.
The swastika is not the same symbol as the one in Buddhism. They look very similar. But they are not the same. (posted in the wrong place – apologies)
or Death Eaters…. just throwing that one out there.
They’re working from the Mein Kampf playbook, so Nazi’s they will be called.
“Alt right” is actually white supremacists’ own rebranding of themselves to sound more palatable and like a respectable political group. Sarah Silverman interviewed a former white supremacist on her show and it was really useful insight into how they recruit and brand themselves and what all the dog-whistling phrases that Trump uses really mean to his “alt right” supporters. It was episode 6 if anyone is interested (on hulu)
Gotta check that out. Thanks!
They’re ableist, homophobic, white supremacist fascists who are putting children in concentration camps. You’ve got a more appropriate word?
Cheetolini referred to the Charlottesville neo-Nazis as fine people and just referred to SHS as a fine person in that tweet.
If Trump thinks Nazis are fine people and SHS is Trump’s ideal of a fine person, then I’m not going to quibble with his own definition of the term. It lets us know who all the worst humans are.
I agree. The term nazi is extremely offensive to many ppl who’s families died in the actual Holocaust–including my own. You do not have to like him but he is no nazi.
They need to feel some shame. Shame is in short supply. SHS getting embarrassed at a restaurant or Paul Ryan getting embarrassed by Seth Rogen refusing to take a picture with him in front of his kids – it’s important. For all the earned grief they get in the media, they get treated very well in person, catered to. This is a change and I hope they feel it.
Yes exactly this!! They need to understand that their actions have consequences in the wider word — and that they should be ashamed of what they have done and who they have become. If I lived in Virginia I’d be eating at the Red Hen every day
I agree. They need to feel the discomfort of shame as much as possible.
@ Magnoliarose
A lot of these people display many of the Classic symptoms of psychopathy/sociopathy. And one of the most prevalent symptoms is a distinct inability to feel shame and/or remorse.
They might feel rage, a thirst for vengeance, etc….but not shame/remorse. Just saying. ✌️✌️
My sister pointed that out. Sarah got a taste of what it’s like to be embarrassed in public. Many immigrants have had that happen to them at one time or another. Someone telling them to “Speak English” or like once when we picked up our food at McDonald’s as the kid gave us our bags of food he asked if we wouldn’t rather eat at Taco Bell. There was one next to the McDonald’s. It was so rude. So I don’t feel bad if these people are shamed in public. It’s because of them that some of us have to put up with those types of comments.
The wave around the first amendment to justify their hate and discrimination, whereas we use it to keep them accountable. Every time they step outside they should be reminded that actions have consequences.
They need to be shunned forever. Sorry unless they change their names and get a face plant that’s how it’s going to be. The baby concentration camp/babies for sale business is the last straw. Someone should shame Betsy DeVos.
Its all we have at this point… public humiliation. Just like the middle ages. Nice. … er, i mean ‘sad’.
Agree. You’re paid by the public purse – feel the chill in the few ways we can protest in person.
Mar a Lago has been cited for food safety violations.
The issue here is NOT civility. Sanders herself said the owner was polite to her and had the conversation with her out of public view and served them a complimentary cheese tray. No, the issue here is federal ethics laws being broken and the use of a government issued phone and an official government account to do it. Most government workers would expect serious discipline, up to and including termination, if they did what Sanders did. But she’s being rewarded for it. I have called my representative and Senators demanding her dismissal for violating the terms of her employment and abusing her office. Of course, they’re a bit busy right now trying to tour the baby gulags.
You know, I will try to get in touch with my reps (IL), too. Thanks for the idea!
Also, apparently Sarah and her family did not mind the alleged dirty canopies because they went there. Trump is a vindictive bully.
Exactly. He didn’t even consider that his insults were a direct reflection on her and her choice of establishments. He’s a petty, childish, vindictive bully.
Both Sanders and Trump have violated the ethics rules this way. It’s not the first time for Trump. Remember when he went off on Nordstrom’s for dropping Precious Ivanka’s line?
Her group offered to pay for the dinner but the restaurant declined. This was handled professionally. The restaurant doesn’t deserve this grief.
If the government continues to use government resources to go after Red Hen for exercising their right to voice their opinion about a particular government official, I would say this becomes a freedom of speech issue. Not that the ACLU has the time or resources to sue the government for restraining Red Hen’s right to expressing their opinion but as Thurgood Marshall explained, “[T]he First Amendment means that government has no power to restrict expression because of its message, its ideas, its subject matter, or its content.” Considering Trump doesn’t believe in freedom of the press, his actions as President are not surprising but are an attack on the Constitution.
I think civility ended when we elected a guy who said Hispanics are drug dealers and rapists.
Hear hear! I am so sick of people preaching the high moral ground when these people need to be called out that their behaviour and beliefs are not okay so that they will understand that it isn’t and for their followers to know that this is not acceptable behaviour and thinking.
I keep saying the same thing. I fail to understand why anyone is surprised he is a racist fascist.
Yup. I’ve read so many tweets about trump and one that struck me hardest was the one where someone said something like, “If you told me in 2015 that trump would be embroiled in a scandal with a porn star and Russia and completely unhinged, I’d say that sounds about right.” Nothing he has done should be a completely surprise to people. I’m definitely surprised by the degree to which he’s been ALLOWED to do all of this. But not by him.
kNY. Yes. On election night, I was up all night texting and talking with five friends who were in various states of shock and despair. I feel like we knew exactly who Trump was but I tried to take comfort in thinking Congress would provide checks and balances and stand against his worst impulses. I feel like such a chump for ever believing that.
@kNY
The people who voted for him believing he’s a good guy (as opposed to people like Roseanne Barr and other fellow racists) are simply not bright enought to see through a person like that. He’s rich? Obviously he knows about business and worked hard for it! He says he’s smart? Of course he is! They don’t question anything. His vocabulary is very limited and he uses simple words that he repeats over and over not just because he’s a simple man, but also because he wants simple people to feel like he speaks to them.
And when he made fun of the disabled reporter.
If that’s the case about the restaurant, then isnt it a shame his staff eats at dirty restaurants? I guess working for a dirty administration really lowers your standards.
The red hen is a national hero!
I’m convinced right-wingers will always use civility and tolerance against the left. They can say and do terrible things, but if anyone from the left steps out of line (their line), we’re called hypocrites, intolerant, and snowflakes. I appreciate Michelle Obama saying “when they go low, we go high.”, but unfortunately no matter what the left does we’re going to be yelled at. In this climate, I’ve gotten to the point where I’ve just stopped caring about trying to make sure I sound fair and reasonable with these people.
They want us to defend ourselves.
That’s why I stopped doing that but attack them in comments instead.
They are dumb so easy to expose their hypocrisy.
@ Cacec04:
Someone in the Roseanne Bar thread just explained how Valerie Jarrett does not tinker about like Obama and Susa Rice, going high when others go low. Her motto instead is:
“When the go low, bury them”. Ala Roseanne.
I prefer it, personally.
There is no high road in this fight. We are literally fighting for people’s lives. 4000 Puerto Ricans lost their lives because of these racists. The high road is a myth in this case.
We went high and oh look we lost the election. Love Michelle but she was naive in this case.
Don’t fall for the trap! Keep pushing your point. They don’t actually care about civility and tolerance, it’s just a tactic to shut us down and it’s really effective. If they imply that your self perception is flawed (i.e. that you are not tolerant and fair) you’ll immediately become ego-triggered and it’s very difficult to be logical and emotional simultaneously!
Recognize it for what it is – an ab hominem attack. It’s not legitimate feedback that you want to take the time to reflect on. Push your point anyways, call out their attempt to change the subject. Ask them to answer your question. Study up on logical fallacies so you can more readily identify them and more effectively respond. Keep your sanity by seeing them for what they are; they’re banking on you going into a defensive, emotional spiral. Don’t give them the satisfaction!
And TRUST me; when they don’t get their way in a few minutes, they ALWAYS reveal themselves as the misogynist, racist trolls they are. Then they’re exposed for all to see.
Checkmate.
https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/659/03/
@j Thank you! I recognize logical fallacies but don’t know their names and don’t feel fully equipped to deal with them when I hear them. That link is awesome.
Love this! Boiler Up!!!!! Thanks for posting.
I agree. I fine them vile and disgusting but as a Jewish woman the term “Nazi” does bother me. These are horrible situations but no one is being led into gas chambers, yet. I cringe even just writing everything I just did above..
I think if people don’t do anything to let these disgusting creatures know that it is not acceptable behaviour and for no negative consequences to happen to them, it is not a far off scenario to happen in the US. Even here in the UK, tramp has got a lot of supporters judging from the comment section on the daily fail. I despair for humanity.
Kimma, I’m Jewish, too, and the daughter of a Holocaust survivor. My dad lost most of his family in the ovens and camps. So while I understand where you’re coming from, I have to say, the minute that Orange Shitstain said: “There are ‘fine people’ on *both* sides in Charlottesville, and when the ICE agents said: “We’re taking the kids for a bath”, I got more than a “shiver”… My blood ran cold. My dad’s younger brother was taken for a “bath” and never seen again. I NEVER thought I’d hear those words again, let alone in my father’s lifetime. THIS IS HOW Hitler came to power, step by step, referring to Jews as criminals, as sub-humans, same as Dump is doing with Hispanics. NOW IS THE TIME TO ACT ON IT TO STOP HIM.
Remember the phrase: Those who don’t remember history are doomed to repeat it. I pray to God that we’ve learned the lesson and can stop this Neo-Nazi fascist.
Yet. Who says that isn’t a possibility? Trump, like Hitler, is slowly pushing the boundaries. Continuously testing the waters to see how far he can go. We have to call this behavior out and use terms that people can understand. He is rounding up people, putting them in internment camps and taking their children away, some will be lost forever. As a black woman, I’ve always known what America was capable of and not even I thought we weren’t so far gone as to elect Donald Trump. But I’ll never make that mistake again. I learned that there is a section of our citizens who will stand by and allow Donald Trump to do ANYTHING.
People continue to forget what kind of country America has been. Forget the propaganda. We’re no shining beacon on a hill. That’s just words made up to make it ok for us to invade countries and destabilize the countries of people of color.
But there are clear similarities in the 30’s roots of the nazis and the trump regime..only in post-depression germany, many people were literally starving to death and would’ve accepted anything as a cure..trump supporters have no reason except hate and ignorance..to me, they’re the neo-klan
As a Jewish woman, I hesitated at first until Charlottesville.
My issue is with calling him Hitler. I wish people understood how insensitive that is. It is an overused analogy to describe evil and it diminishes what Hitler did and exalts the pretender to a level of evil they aren’t anything close to.
45 is an evil cruel man AND a fascist but he isn’t Hitler. When he slaughters 9 million people and has his own private Josef Mengele then we may be on track but seriously people. Stop.
No one in his administration is even close to the top level Nazis and they don’t wield that kind of absolute power. It is historically inaccurate and it is hurtful and dismissive.
We have to get to a place in the country where we are sensitive to other groups and their feelings, history, and struggles. At some point, we are going to have to stop telling people how to feel about their identity and what they find offensive. If you aren’t a descendant of the victims of the Holocaust you don’t get to tell me how to feel about it nor do you get it. You just don’t. You will never understand it as I do. Just as I don’t understand segregation or growing up on a reservation or being a new immigrant from Central America. It would be arrogant for me to tell anyone from those groups what to find offensive.
As a citizen of native American ancestry, all I can say is it’s still early. If we don’t stand up now….
Well said magnoliarose. We can point out Trump is evil & cruel without referring to Hitler. Hitler was a category unto himself & it is insensitive to compare Trump to him & any member of his administration to Nazis…I cringe when anyone flings these terms around. We are not Nazi Germany.
I understand MagnoliaRose but in the beginning Hitler was not doing any gassing or rounding people up. But he certainly was stoking the fire of distrust and hate. It is in this way that people are seeing parallels. Today he keeps refugees and people coming illegally in cages. If Hitler had started rounding people up right away I think the citizens of Germany would not have agreed with that.
But he definitely is building up a distrust of people of color.
Yes, Wood Dragon. I couldn’t agree more. We have to step up now without letting up. We are in a dangerous territory with this lunatic.
@Purplehazeforever
The other argument I have is that by making these leaps the public fails to see 45 clearly and what HE has done and his tactics. There is no faster way to miss the point than to link things to history without discovering the uniqueness of each situation. He is a monster. There is no doubt but America is not the 4th Reich. We are deeply flawed and 45’s tyranny is like what Malcolm X said about the chickens coming home to roost but it isn’t the same. Alike sure, but different too.
Very well said, Magnolia Rose. It is important that we have your kind of input which articulates the nuances of the situation, nuances that were and are lost in history books, “educational” curriculum, etc. I can’t and won’t even watch historical films anymore. There is so much liberty taken. They become fiction.
I told my 95+ yr old father not to bother watching the latest Churchill film (last year’s) because I read more than once that it isn’t.what.happened. Why must we subjected to these films that brainwash peoples’ minds about what really happened? I read the truth about The Butler film after I saw it and was so disappointed. Too many others.
Also, I appreciated your support in the other thread (Chris Hardwick/Lydia Hearst). Thanks.
No one is being gassed. Yet.
Big plus for Trump’s admin! (Sorry, but come on people. He knows no boundaries. He hates any truth that doesn’t suit him. People who disagree with him are not his friends, and he only has use for friends. He’s escalating, and he’ll keep going further until he’s stopped. Hitler never STARTED with gassing, or even invading countries, or confiscating Jewish property. That took years in power, brainwashing common people with hate and lies.)
Nazis did not become nazis when they started leading people into gas chambers. It’s a state of mind.
Key word is yet. He started out by dehumanizing the migrants and asylum seekers, saying they’re not humans but animals who are infesting the country. He’s having the Navy build concentration camps. He’s separated the children from the parents with no clear plans to ever reunite them. He’s just tweeted there should be no due process for the migrants’ cases. This is getting very, very chillingly bad.
I have always thought to myself that if I was in the same room with any of these people I would tell them to their face that they disgust me. I’ll reserve my civility for people who don’t make it their life’s work to hurt and demean people of color.
I used to root for the day Trump is walked out of the White House in cuffs. Now, as I told my husband while crying angry tears, I look forward to the day these people are on trial in front of the world at The Hague, and CONVICTED for their evil crimes against humanity. Damn straight we should heckle and make public life uncomfortable for people who commit crimes against humanity on innocent babies and desperate families.
It’s time to stop normalizing the behavior of Trump and his ilk. They need to be put on blast that their behavior and beliefs are unacceptable and they need to be held accountable. It’s only been two years but look at how far our society has disintegrated. Trump is the white supremacist president surrounded by aids supporting his antics and a base of people who feed on his and faux news every word.
One of the most depressing things I read recent was this Politico article:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/18/florida-senior-citizens-vote-election-2018-218758
It’s terrifying how selfish and mean people can be.
Thanks for the link. The Penis Peninsula is poised to do us in. (I will not use the phrase I really wanted to use.)
Someone shake Suckabee, she always looks like she’s falling asleep.
There’s actually restaurants with signs saying gays and black people aren’t welcome, now all of a sudden, Trump is against banning someone because she works for him.
What kind of president who claims he wants to help small buisnesses and American business owners would purposely try to shame the restaurant with BS descriptions of a place he’s never been to?
If I’m ever in Virginia, I’ll definitely eat at the Red Hen with pride
It doesn’t matter. This is the new normal we now inhabit. America is burning. The government is filled with Russian puppets. Trump will rule with Putin pulling his strings. Mid term elections are a joke. Russia will keep rigging them . They got away with the presidential election tampering. Mueller is just another puppet to keep the minority, the people who did not vote for Trump, distracted while the Russians finish getting their players in place.
Wake up.
Exactly.
Yes unfortunately and so frightening.
The history nerd in me explains it this way:
When they go low, you go high….and when they go Fascist you need to go Allied Expeditionary Force.
I like this! I also like History nerds
@MIA4S- you win the internet today, friend.
God, her face just looks like a giant, lumpy, melting waxwork.
I usually don’t make mean comments about peoples looks, but I have no problem with it when it’s Trump and his enablers.
Suckabee always looks lumpy and exhausted, and when she’s shoveling insulting comments and bs lies at press briefings, she looks and sounds completely wasted like she’s been gulping booze all day. Ugh! Does she ever take off the fake pearls?
She is rotting from the inside out.
Not since the Scaramucci days, when he had her “spruced up” with a makeup/hair person. She even kept the smokey lies eyes for a long time, until very recently in fact; didn’t let that go until after Michele Wolff, then she started going back to plain. But you know what they say about the face you earn….
You can put pearls on a swine, but they’re still a swine…
and she’s not even 35 yet.
you get the face you deserve.
Shut. Up.
I thought she was at least in her 40s.
I had no idea she wasn’t 35 yet. She looks like she is rounding the corner to 50.
WHAT???? You’ve got to be kidding me. DAMN.
Seriously?! I thought she was in her 40s at least 😱😱
WHAAATTT???? Wow – that’s really SAD!! She looks to be pushing 50 – and not a good 50. Mercy. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving person.
Just looked her up, she’s 35, will be 36 in August. She’s two days younger than a niece of mine who looks far, FAR younger than HSH—I guess that’s what happens when you are that evil.
Are you serious?! She’s just in her 30s? My God, doesn’t she look in the mirror? She looks like she’s been kissing Dementors; she’s lost her soul.
OMG! I thought for sure she was a rough 45. My word.
That’s what a steady diet of orange bum will do to you. It just ain’t paleo.
i’m torn. I love seeing these people publicly shamed but I fear it may go too far and then sympathy is generated for them. I guess I would rather stick to the public giving them dirty looks and restaurant staff giving curt service.
one of the best comments/tweets I read about this was that they should have let her stay, and then just let her sit there indefinitely. if someone in her party asked if a server would come by, say “I’ll get back to you on that”. and just keep saying that until they left on their own.
and as someone else pointed out, at least they saved her from all the spit, feces, pubic hair etc that would have wound up in her food.
Now THAT would’ve been epic! lol.
But I think public shunning of all these POSes isn’t bad either.
Oh, that’s a great way to handle it.
Annie – I get what you mean; it would be awful if people started feeling sorry for them. However, I see the manager’s decision to refuse service as standing for what’s right. So many of us feel powerless to change anything and simply watch in horror. This manager stood up to the personification of evil and booted her out. That gives some of us hope that there *is* something we can do and not everyone is just taking it. It’s hard to make unusual/unconventional choices at first, but when we see others do it, it gives us courage (and examples of how) to do it ourselves.
I agree the manager’s decision was based on standing up for what is right.
I think when we all start dehumanizing each other, we’re all on a slippery slope. I refuse to do it. Maybe I’m an idiot for feeling this way, and I don’t need a pile on saying I am thank you, but I can’t get behind this. I understand the restaurant owner’s decision here, and I agree with her, but to say that conservatives shouldn’t be served anywhere is going too far.
I don’t think of 45’s disciples and followers as simple conservatives. I think they are fascists and extremists. If they were only conservatives in the true sense it would be easy to talk and have civil discourse and disagreements. These guys are beyond that.
I think you will find that people are getting less and less civil no matter who they are, and it’s getting worse. I don’t want to be part of that. Make your point certainly, but if you aren’t going to serve Trump supporters, then be prepared for someone not to serve you. And how can you then say that’s not right? Answer: you can’t.
Trust me, I find the state of things these days appalling. But acting the same way as the fanatics benefits no one.
I’m with you @bluhare. i thought about it a good long while, and i consider it bad manners and the antithesis of hospitality and thus something the restaurant should not have done. If they were in a different kind of business i’d say it was fine to decide not to do business with anyone they don’t want to do business with. But, a restaurant, no. That was inhospitable and therefore contrary to the raison d’etre of being a public restaurant.
And also, the earlier reference to spitting or worse in their food was appalling.
I hope we are better than that. And why normalize such an idea? Can people not see what these sentiments lead to?
The problem isn’t that they are conservatives.
The problem is that they kidnapped children and now won’t tell us where the kids are and won’t help parents locate them.
This is not a political squabble. This is about young traumatized children who are becoming permanently damaged by the trauma with every passing day. This is an Amber Alert. More precisely, a few thousand Amber Alerts.
These people should be shamed every time they leave their homes.
I like “we didn’t start the fire”! But now I’ve got that dang song stuck in my head!
Anyway, my gut reaction to the restaurant kicking out SMS and her party was that it wasn’t right (even though I hate her to bits) but then I was like, if it’s okay for the fascist bakeries to deny a gay couple a cake, well, then what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Though the fascists will never equate the two scenarios and they’ll be like, “Whaaaah! Those crazy liberal scum denied us our rights!”
I think it was so foul of her to call out the restaurant. You got kicked out! Take it like a grown up, leave quietly, and go find somewhere else to eat! Her father had the nerve to use the word “bigot” in his tweeted response to this incident and I thought, now I can see why she’s so dumb.
The same people who would tell bakers it’s their right not to make a cake for a gay wedding think it’s bigotry to kick her out of a restaurant. Idiots.
IKR! Grown woman crying boohoo on Twitter because someone dared stand up to her for being a fascist mouthpiece.
I’m in Canada and there is a restaurant here in Ontario called The Olde Red Hen and they have been getting hundreds of threatening phone calls and negative reviews online because of the name similarity to the restaurant that kicked out Huckabee Sanders. SHS knew exactly what she was doing when she named the restaurant on her official Twitter account and she should be brought to account for using her official twitter for personal business. Even the Tweeter-in-Chief uses his personal account for the shit storms he causes.
Amazing how conservatives weren’t so up in arms when Rand Paul suggested several years ago that the federal government didn’t have the right to tell private businesses they had to serve black customers. I guess it’s different when you get to see how it actually feels to be ostracized from society.
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”
We need to all wake up and realize that if don’t take a stand against what’s happening, it will continue to spread and there may be no coming back from it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/06/25/trumps-hardline-view-of-immigration-draws-parallels-to-the-1930s/
“Beyond stirring a narrow base ahead of elections, this fear-mongering has deeper and more dangerous effects. “Put starkly, the norms and taboos established after the world witnessed the Holocaust are eroding before our eyes,” wrote the Guardian’s Jonathan Freedland, lamenting the unraveling of the West’s liberal order. “For 70-odd years, roughly the span of a human life, they endured, keeping the lid on the darker impulses that, we had seen, lurked within all of us. It steadily became taboo to voice undiluted racism and xenophobia. Those fears, those loathings of the stranger, never went away, of course. But they were held in check, partly by the knowledge of where such hatred, unrestrained, could lead.”
This!!! I’m so afraid that I’m doing nothing (in fairness, I’m not an American) and therefore paving a way for this evil to spread. I feel powerless and unable to do anything (I’ve emailed my local MP and donated to services helping families reconnect), but otherwise there’s not much else I can do. Watching people take a stand against inhumane practices and those that perpetuate them gives me heart and hope. Please please please America pull through and do the right thing!!!!
I agree with you. They told us what they were going to do and most people did the “I’m voting for them because they aren’t really going to do that”. But they did, and they are. This is serious, and they fact they they are white supremacists running the country needs to be noted. They believe what they say and they’re going to do what they said. Hitler didn’t build the gas chambers in his first term, but he go around to it didn’t he.
Republicans said it isn’t right? Didn’t the Supreme Court just side with a bakery that didn’t want to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple, siting owners have a right to decide who they serve?
The Supreme Court decision was a very narrow ruling that the Colorado human rights commission had erred in its handling of the complaint against the bakery. It did not exactly say the bakery has the right to refuse service to gay couples.
The difference between these two situations is critical to understand. The gay couple is in a protected class (the LGBTQI community) and was refused service because of who they are (gay) and what they planned to do (legally marry). Suckabee is not in a protected class. She was asked to leave the Red Hen NOT because of who she is but because of what she had done (lie, work for a fascist government, disparage the media, etc.) and continues to do.
I totally don’t have a problem with Sarah “Bellatrix Lestrange” Sanders getting the boot from that restaurant. I’m ok with shunning people working closely with and for what they believe with this current administration and imbecile in the office. There should be some price to be paid for their lack of humanity.
He loves using the term “fine” people/person.The Nazis and white supremacists were fine people.There were fine people on both sides in Charlottesville according to Trump.
Reminds me of years ago when Trump called the Hilton girls “fine girls.” Or something to that effect. It was such a huge eyeroll.
Private establishments should have this right-the slippery slope is that it then rightfully applies to any and everyone…It has to go both ways, like it or not.
There are protected classes – you cannot discriminate on grounds of race, gender, religious affiliation, etc… Being a pathologically mendacious, amoral, integrity void is not one.
What astounds me is that lying, and specifically lying in the service of wicked men, are expressly forbidden multiple times in the Bible, so supposedly devout “Christians” should be encouraging shunning her, not complaining about it!
Attempts to shut people up with their own Bible have and will continue to fail miserably – unfortunately.
Private facilities should have to refuse service for people based on ACTIONS or ASSOCIATION. They shouldn’t have the right to refuse based on issues like race, ethnicity, gender, sex, ability or orientation. One is discriminating against people for their choices, meaning they have personal agency in their involvement The other is discrimination against people for innocuous qualities over which they have no control.
If somebody wants to refuse the Obama family dinner over their handling of the Middle East drone situation, I am fine with that. if they want to refuse them because they’re uppity blacks, that’s a different story.
Isn’t it ironic that Sarah HS was asked to leave the restaurant because of her administration’s immoral, unethical policies, so she breaks more ethics rules by using her government account to tweet about this incident?
“Sanders used her official govt account to condemn a private business for personal reasons … she can lob attacks on her own time but not using her official position.” Walter Shaub, former ethics chief under President Obama (and briefly, Trump)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/24/sarah-sanders-speaks-about-ejection-from-virginia-restaurant
Yes, and now Trump has done the same! They don’t give a shit about ethics and are so BLATANT about it!! It’s unreal!
He’s done it MANY, MANY times, and yet… crickets!!! WHO IS SUPPOSED TO CHARGE THESE ETHICAL VIOLATIONS (clear violations of established law!!)??? Congress??? Yeah, when they’re done searching for their b@lls, perhaps they’ll find the time. All it would take is TWO Republithugs to vote with the Dems to stop some of this, but not a single one will stand up for decency. SMDH in disgust…
The entire Trump administration is a pack of horrible, awful idiots.
The crap they are getting away with and she goes whining about this nonsense.
Act like an Adult.
Most days I cannot believe anything in US politics anymore.
It goes from awful to horrible to Geez what NOW?
America IS burning daily.
They have so many empty positions in the WH. They actually held a job fair to attract prospective employees! The Orange Blob loves to brag about the “quality” people clamoring to work there, but it’s another of his lies. Anyone with good sense (not Sarah) doesn’t want this WH on their resume. In other administrations people felt honored to work there. He ruins everything he touches.
No. Just no. While I understand the reason for feeling this way, it is a slippery slope. Now it’s going to escalate – who is next to get denied service? It will be tit for tat until it becomes the norm.
I’m glad you posted this. I was watching Morning Joe while getting ready for work and Mika had the nerve to say it wasn’t right of the restaurant to ask shs to leave and I got really angry. Okay white woman, you sit in your ivory tower and tell people how they can react to someone stomping on their way of life and we’ll all fall in line. I actually yelled at the TV and then switched to Hallmark to watch The Golden Girls instead.
The time for civility went away the second trump said on tape it’s okay for him to grab women and sexually assault them because he was rich and famous and can get away with it and won the electoral college (but not the majority).
I have no problem whatsoever with the owner of the restaurant asking her to leave and I don’t have a problem with them being confronted because their policies are damaging and atrocious;however,there needs to be some caution.Now I see the right on Twitter led by the likes of James Woods urging Republicans to go and buy a gun.Believe me because I have been in arguments with them there are strong supporters on the right .As the saying goes an eye for an eye means both people are blinded
Slippery slope argument doesn’t work here because it’s already happening and you know who fights the hardest for the right to refuse? Christians. Let them get a taste of their own medicine. I just read a harrowing take about what happened to a mother in AZ at Walgreens when a dipshit pharmacist refused to fill her prescription due to his own religious beliefs. Made my blood boil.
We are holding on to our country’s democracy and humanity by a thread. If being mean and uncivilized to this administration and its supporters is how we keep our country from falling apart, I’m all for it.
Same.
OT but I had a rough weekend finding out that a friend of mine who is very cultured/worldly, a woman who speaks several different languages including Arabic, and a woman who has been a faithful and consistently outspoken Democrat for 20 years–seems to have been bitten by the Trump zombie. I honestly cannot believe it. She and he fiancée (a huge Trumpie) work in DC and it just floors me that he would be able to change her so drastically and in such a short period of time. The thing is, I knew her man was a staunch Republican who campaigned for Cruz but I had NO idea that he was a Trump supporter until I saw a really Trump-y FB post (replete with “snowflakes” and “go cry”) and then my BF and I fell down the rabbit hole creeping on his FB page. I thought he was a traditional conservative who didn’t like Trump’s crazy antics but apparently he is full-on MAGA crazy,
I’m just really upset. This is a very close childhood friend of mine. I feel like I can’t be friends with her and her fiancée until Trump is out of office. That might sound extreme or petty but I’m just being honest about my limitations. I don’t have the ability to maintain a healthy friendship with people who support his monstrous administration.
So disappointed. She even wrote a crazy rant about Maxine on her FB today. Sigh. Another one bites the dust.
Hi Kitten, I’m really sorry you’re going through that and can only imagine how hard it is. What I will say is you have to do what’s right for you. This administration has driven home that my political views are rooted in my values and moral compass. I suspect it is the same for you. It is extremely hard to keep people in your life that support things you find immoral, but it doesn’t mean making a decision on your friendship with her is easy. Wishing you love and support!!! 🤝🤗
It’s okay. I understand. I live in a pretty conservative area with some hardcore Bigly supporters and it’s distressing and discouraging to listen to them sometimes quite literally preach about their supposed religious values and then turn around and rabbit on about their support for an administration that is actively opposed to all of the aforementioned values. It sucks. Sometimes you have to keep people at arm’s length or farther just to retain some sanity. There’s members of my extended family who think that everything happening right now is simply hilarious and “what people deserve”. I don’t even know what to say. I can’t change their minds and won’t waste breath and emotional energy trying. So, just know that you’re not alone and it’s okay to feel what you feel and take care of yourself.
Sorry Kitten, I know how hard it can be. I have a similar problem with an old friend. But at least in my case the rest of her family, including her brown immigrant husband and brown children hate trump. So I only visit when they are home and she is out numbered. You have to protect your own mental health at this point. You don’t owe your friend anything.
Kitten, wow, that’s crazy. I can’t imagine how I’d feel if one of my close friends joined the Trump train. It sounds like talking to her about it won’t help so you it’s probably better for your blood pressure and sanity to keep some distance. Hopefully she will eventually come around and you can salvage your bond. Or maybe we’d all just be better off if an asteroid wipes us all out. Sigh.
Thank you guys so much for the kind and supportive words.
And thank you for understanding.
My BF said that I need to say something, to reply to her posts. At first I was like “nah why bother?” and then I just couldn’t help myself. Of course, her reaction was typical Trumpist “you are my dear friends and look at you responding to me in hate”. Sigh. In the meantime, I argued the ISSUES. I didn’t call her names or get personal, I just had to make the point that this is a complete distraction. As Chris Hayes said on twitter, “I’ve noticed an interesting pattern that after particularly egregious moments of moral transgression by the Trump Administration (Charlottesville, family-separation) there’s a brief, but intense media focus on why mobilization *against* these transgressions has Gone Too Far.”
So now we are talking about poor Sarah and the War Against Civility instead of the atrocities being committed by 45 and the GOP. I haven’t sen my friend post anything political in a year or more (basically since she started dating the Trumpie) and THIS is the bullshit she chooses to be vocal about? THIS is what she decides to rant about on social media?
Just so disappointing.
Sorry but f*ck her.
“There’s members of my extended family who think that everything happening right now is simply hilarious and “what people deserve”. A poster at Wapo described them as, ‘they enjoy the look of horror on our faces as they pound nails into their own heads.’
I just read this on politico and honestly I’m baffled. The headline for one is “The left looses it’s cool.” We should be loosing our cool for the atrocities that are happening on the boarder alone, we all should be. But this paragraph really stood out.
“There’s not more energy on the left. There’s more hatred,” said state Rep. Toledo, the Tampa Republican who said her kids were bothered in an coffee shop. “I signed up for this. But my kids? I thought kids were off limits. Family is off limits. And it backfires when you attack families.”
Hatred?? Families?? Are you seriously going there? How does the irony not strike you immediately as those words are coming out of your mouth? Ok I don’t think irony is the right word here but I’m so mad that I can’t think straight.
Mel, Many of the major news outlets have characterized the Red Hen’s actions as unfair, wrong, petty. But just last minute night drump tweeted a false, negative tweet about the restaurant.
drump made his place by bullying Republicans with vile name calling and lies. I’m not sure what the media’s end game is or what it hopes to accomplish. But the mefia is part of our proble. I feel that not answering drump’s vile comments and not standing up is wrong.
Okay, as an outsider Canadian, I get that there are people who dislike your president. However, I am so sick of people calling anyone who disagrees with the Liberal viewpoint “Nazis”. These days, it is not okay to have a differing opinion from what Liberals shove down our throats on the daily, including in schools. I get that what is happening at your border is horrific and I completely disagree with kids being separated from parents, but at some point illegal immigration needs to stop. No one talks about that fact that many of the people coming to your border aren’t even Mexican. They come from further south and MEXICO WON’T TAKE THEM IN.
Yes, how horrible that liberals are willing to take the low pay to indoctrinate our schools with liberal brainwashing such as math, history, science, and proper grammar.
I’m well aware that the children Trump is stealing are Honduran, Venezuelan, Guatemalan, and Salvadorean, not Mexican, thank you.
Well, our teachers are well paid, yet take it upon themselves to tell our children how to vote and how to feel about political topics. Wouldn’t it be better to allow children to learn and THINK FOR THEMSELVES? I don’t pay taxes so teachers can tell my children their personal views and pass them off as the only opinions. Stick to the subjects you are paid to teach.
As a liberal who has been teaching for 16 years, I can tell you with great certainty that every single teacher has better f*cking things to do than indoctrinate their students into some sort of liberal agenda.
And no, liberals are not painting everyone thinks differently with the Nazi brush. But we are properly labeling people who believe in Nazi ideas like putting people in camps, as Nazis.
Melanie Coombs, do you even have kids? I just sent my kids through 15 years of public school and I can assure you the teachers went out of their way to help their students learn to think for themselves. I am guessing it took every ounce of patience my one son’s government teacher had to have one kid with his MAGA hat and “Hillary for Prison” shirt hijack the discussion every other day. But he was professional and neutral and cared more about his students developing critical thinking skills than any pushing any political agenda. Get a grip.
If you’re Canadian how do you have liberal Americans in your school shoving things in your throat? Do us a favor and stay in Canada with your stupidity. We are all stocked up here ya xenophobic ding dong from hell
Ha ha. I meant Liberal views in general. Things happen outside of the US. Judging by your response, perhaps intellectual discussion is beyond your capacity.
Don’t you have children to rip from their mothers arms? Go guard that border.
Tuba, you’re killing me today. In a good way!
As an Insider Canadian (I live in the states AND I’m Native American) I laugh at your small mindedness. Let me guess, you voted for Doug Ford!
As a Native American we have been fighting domestic terrorism and illegals coming across the “border” since 1492! Here’s a little bit of insight for you, from Dallas Goldtooth, one of the people from the Standing Rock movement:
– Those crossing that border, they Indigenous.
– Those babies and children being taken by US officials, they Indigenous.
– Those fleeing their homelands because of state-sponsored terror, they Indigenous.
– Those coerced to travel north because they need to feed/protect/support their families, they Indigenous.
They are my people, no matter the distance.
They are my people, no matter the language.
They are my people.
They are my people.
#NoBanOnStolenLand
#ThisIsTurtleIsland
So you can take your viewpoint of Canada, the US and “illegal immigrants” to the NationalPost or where you’re getting your myopic “Canadian” news.
Also: #stopkindermorgan #NODAPL #wherearethegirls?
@Melanie Coombs, in case I didn’t make myself clear: you are the problem. Not liberals, not “illegals” not immigration. Would you be in Canada if it weren’t for your ancestors leaving to find a better life? Note: Not avoiding religious persecution but also trying to escape poverty?
Immigration HELPS countries, it doesn’t hurt them. Those grateful to start a new life embrace the country that accepts them. Please, stay inside your gilded cage and lament over your dying breed. That is one extinction I won’t grieve for.
This x’s infinity!!! I preach all day that these are natives who don’t need to pay attention to a border drawn by colonizers. We First Nations need to stick together and welcome our cousins from the south.
#NODAPL
Hahaha. Melanie you are so dumb. Doug Ford is going to shift the spending to Tory buddies and nothing will actually change just like it didn’t when Mike Harris was premier. He has no real plan and is spouting nonsense like building subways to Markham and Pickering where GO trains already provide service. But he stopped lunches at meetings so that will save a billion dollars I guess. Unless you are in the top 1% in Ontario you are screwing yourself. But you deserve it.
Seriously? Shame on me and my fellow American liberals for having open hearts to help those in need, right? If you’re “so sick” of all of this, thankfully you’re a Canadian who doesn’t have to worry about not having health insurance. If you don’t see how Trumps behavior can be compared to Hitler and the Nazis, perhaps you don’t know the complete history and don’t realize that this is how it started. These people coming to seek asylum were breaking no laws, and were still having their children ripped from their arms and may never see them again. If you don’t care about what’s going on in here in America, don’t pay attention, there are plenty of other things you can do in Canada.
There is so much wrong in your statement I choose to believe you are just not a student of current affairs, history, logic, critical thinking and common sense. It happens sometimes.
“However, I am so sick of people calling anyone who disagrees with the Liberal viewpoint “Nazis”.”
Well, that was never true, but the creator of Godwin’s Law has suspended it:
Godwin’s Law, as every good Internet citizen knows, reads as follows: “As an online discussion continues, the probability of a reference or comparison to Hitler or Nazis approaches 1.” When Mike Godwin created it in 1990, he was trying to address the widespread phenomenon of glibly comparing someone else to Hitler or Nazis to win an online argument.
It’s one of the most invoked rules on the Internet to this day. But how does Godwin’s Law apply when you’re literally talking about Nazis?..
“By all means, compare these shitheads to Nazis. Again and again. I’m with you.”
Why did you make an exception for Charlottesville?
These horrible events, both the death of Ms. [Heather] Heyer and also the violence, but also the poisoning of public culture, these things are all horrifying to me. I think that any moral person has to see these things and bear witness and think about how to talk about them.
My own instincts as a former reporter, as well as a lawyer, is to make sure you understand everything as much as you can before you go public. I wrote about using Nazi comparisons in The Washington Post well before it was believed the election would turn out as it did, and that certain factions in American culture would feel empowered by it. What I wrote was, if you’re reading history before a comparison to Hitler, I’m for that…
(from an August 2017 article, which I’m not linking to because linking sends me into moderation)
When Holocaust scholars and Holocaust survivors are making the Hitler/Nazi comparison, Godwin’s law indeed no longer applies. There is no greater authority.
As a canadian perhaps you aren’t aware that the US is historically a melting pot, and has specific laws enabling those fleeing persecution to come here..it’s what we’ve always been, unlike other largely homogeneous countries that close their borders
@Melanie Coombs, it’s wonderful that your friends have the means to spend thousands on legal and government fees to wait in line. It means they’re coming from a country that isn’t trying to kill them and they are not in danger of dying due to poverty or political turmoil.
HOWEVER, all of those seeing asylum don’t have that opportunity. They are trying to escape a certain death or abject poverty you have never experienced. That’s why there’s a separate process for them. The fact you don’t recognize this is good for you, bad for everyone else, because then you take that opinion and speak it as a gospel. Educate yourself.
@Melanie, going through the proper legal channels only works of our government actually follows their own rules. There is ample evidence (see link below) that the Trump administration actively started blocking asylum-seekers from even getting to the proper border locations to legally start the process in the first place.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/immigrant-advocates-question-legality-of-latest-federal-tactics/
“spent thousands on legal fees and government fees, only to have our PM throw open the border and say ‘come on in’.”
Yeah – it’s interesting that you mention the exorbitant fees. Pretty sure the PC party candidate for Brampton North is facing 4 lawsuits and multiple other complaints over his immigration consulting for duping people out of tens of thousands of dollars. Doug Ford is “proud” to have him on his team though. And claims he hadn’t heard anything about the fraud charges. Funny – he’s so worried about keeping spending down (but couldn’t explain how he would do so) but can’t even keep tabs on his “all star team” and whether or not they’re caught up in fraud charges.
Oh and.. ya know… how DF was accused of election fraud. Having people provide incomplete membership application forms and incomplete information – and assured them he would take care of the membership fees. He’s refusing to have an investigation started … and is – surprise surprise – blaming his skeezy predecessor. He’s a disgusting, incompetent tool – so enjoy the mess he will be sure to make.
@MelanieCoombes
We have NEVER been a melting pot. We are a MOSAIC. Your ignorance of basic high school history is staggering. I’m beginning to doubt that you are a Canadian.
She could be a Canadian trumpanzee. I have run into a few of them and they are super ignorant like the American kind. Her immigration comments are nonsense too. My friend works at the DOJ and actually does deport people and even she has great sympathy for what is going on in the US. Why? Because Canada doesn’t treat refugees like animals. (To be fair this system was in place even before Trudeau was PM, but he has encouraged helping Syrian refugees more than Harper did).
And multiculturalism has been Canadian policy for decades… since Trudeau Sr. Even our conservatives don’t want to reverse that.
As a Canadian, I am mortified.
They are not illegal immigrants, they are asylum seekers. Which means the conditions they left were so atrocious that fleeing across other countries, through hostile environments, and uprooting their immediate families and trying to begin a new life in a foreign country seemed like the better option.
Bragging about voting for Ford is as bad as bragging about voting for Trump. His family is known to have ties to criminality, so they don’t think the norms or rules apply to them. Your vote was reactionary, not an informed one on the repercussions of his policies, often to the most vulnerable.
And finally, the fact that you are attacking the stance of people who care for others, want to make a collective society that puts people and their well-being at the core, and calls out idiocy is incredibly unfortunate, and why we have the current climate.
IMO there’s no difference between Drumpf and Doug Ford. We are in for terrible times in Ontario.
If it makes you feel better Doug Ford can only screw things on a provincial level. He can’t hijack criminal law or other federal issues. I have hope that he is only as bad as Mike Harris.
Here’s a thought: why don’t YOU talk to your children about politics. If your views differ with what they’re being brainwashed with 🙄 in school, you can have a reasonable, intelligent discourse and let them know there’s more than 2 sides to what’s going on in the world. Arm them with knowledge and let them figure it out for themselves.
Oh my God. What utter rubbish. This isn’t about liberal values. You can barely even hide your racism. I’m so ashamed that you’re telling everyone that you’re Canadian. You don’t represent us. Are you sure you’re not from further North?
Maybe you’re a White Walker or something, but you’re not a real Canadian. GTFOH.
“No one talks about that fact that many of the people coming to your border aren’t even Mexican. They come from further south and MEXICO WON’T TAKE THEM IN.”
I got into a discussion with an American-born Native American man at lunch today. He’s older, like in his 60’s. He called the migrants and children “criminals.” He had NO compassion for the children. He simply said “their parents shouldn’t have done what they did.” Oh, and of course he’s a Trumper. I really laid it on thick. Everything he said, I had an answer for. He knew he was no match for me. The conversation was civil, but I know he left with his mind unchanged.
I find it appalling and disgusting that a Native American in a very Mexican part of the country (Southwest) has this attitude toward his own kind (or similar). When I brought up the fact that many of these people are NOT from Mexico but from further south, he didn’t care. They broke the law, go home. He’s got a job as an electrical contractor, so he’s OK. He doesn’t give a shit about anybody else.
“Wouldn’t it be better to allow children to learn and THINK FOR THEMSELVES?”
BUT OUR SCHOOLS DON’T TEACH CRITICAL THINKING. Good Grief you are dense.
Yes, I am shouting. People like you prevent (1) critical thinking and (2) civil, effective debate techniques to be taught in our schools. I went to high school in the 60’s. It was nothing but a babysitting operation except for “the kids who were worth it” (the scholastic achievement kids). I was actually told that I wasn’t college material. Snort to that. I should have sent my Dean’s List notice to the guy who told my class that but he committed suicide, poor guy.
And the schools STILL don’t teach critical thinking or debate techniques. They probably never will either, thanks to people like you. God/Dog forbid that kids learn how to think for themselves, learn the truth and CHALLENGE TRADITIONAL AUTHORITY !!
I’m glad other people her are taking you to major task. Your opinions are truly appalling – and clueless.
lol, Trump and his ilk can dish it out in ladlefuls, but can’t handle even a quarter of a teaspoon of their own medicine.
Kick them out! Make them feel so uncomfortable in society they hide away in their GOP-only safe zones. That’s what they want for those that don’t fall in line with their way of life. They want us out of Starbucks, their neighborhoods, their stores. They don’t want us to live side by side with them. They want us under their boot. They’d be quite happy to return to Jim Crow era segregation, but let them feel the sting of ostracization and they cry like little babies. F them! These people are monsters. They have stolen children, but we’re supposed to be nice to them when they are with their children because we’re better than them. Nope! Fight fire with fire.
Yes, Mia! These monsters are so evil. We all need to rise up against them and never back down.
None of those bastards should be able to eat in peace while they are violating human rights and systematically destroying our country’s democracy.
Not only that, but none of these bastards should be able to find gainful employment after their stint in this administration is over. I want people to boycott and start picket lines outside any corporation, law firm, university, think tank, political campaign, etc. that dares to offer them a paycheck. I want the shame of being associated with Trump to follow them the rest of their days. *I’ll grant an exception to anyone who voluntarily speaks under oath to Robert Mueller, or who resigns because their conscience demands it, and then very publicly says so to any/every news outlet who will listen.
Right now CNN is doing a spot about civility and how comparing trump to hitler hurts the democrats. No CNN, appeasement is what hurts everyone.
The whole “don’t talk bad about Trump or Trump will win” argument is just an attempt to intimidate the left into keeping quiet. F*ck that noise.
Seriously CNN can eat a bag of d*cks. How’s that for civility?
We here know that CNN is now almost nothing but a brown-nosing capitulating piece of work.
The conservatives (I refuse to call them the Right) (“We’re The Right, therefore we’re RIGHT”; “we’re the Grand Old Party.” Screw that noise. It’s laughable) think we love CNN and its escalating propaganda! Snort. MSNBC isn’t much better. Rachel Maddow can only say so much because GE (which owns NBC) won’t let her. She stays on a topic for weeks while other major important shit goes on and on. I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall in her meetings with higher-ups and her partner at home. That’s where we’ll learn how she feels about her limitations in her current position. Nevertheless, she must stay there because she’s doing a good job within her constraints. Same for the other MSNBC hosts.
It doesn’t matter what anyone’s opinion on the matter is. We are fighting back regardless of any opinion pole because perhaps we actually learned a thing or two about evil regimes in history. People are fighting back with what little power they have. The slope has always been slippery. The slope was slippery when this NAZI who supports NAZI groups and NAZI practices was even allowed to run on the god dam ballot after it was exposed the he took campaign funding from NAZI organizations and was trying to grab vaginas with his stumpy NAZI fingers!
This isn’t turn the other cheek lovey dovey hold your bible time. Jesus tap dancing Christ on a cracker what’s wrong with you people? Be nice to the biscuit mouthed hussy bussing kidnapped traumatized children into cages? No and eff you too for being simple and refusing to do anything but pray
Amen. They are Nazis.
Precisely how I feel.
Can you imagine the outrage if Bush, or Clinton or Obama had used their social media to attack an individual business like this. As a Canadian I can’t imagine the outrage if our prime minister’s office made a ethical violation like this. I can’t imagine if Theresa May or Angela Merkel did something like this. I can’t believe this is the new normal in America.
These entitled bullies need to feel the burn of consequences, not that they are capable of any sort of reflective thinking.
As for this pearl clutching, civility won’t stop Trump from further destroying our country.
Sarah “F*ck you, B” Sanders needs to quit.
How does the president of the United States have the time to tweet about something like this?
Only a president who doesn’t take his job seriously and spends most of his day watching TV and tweeting. Is it safer for us that he has more “executive time” rather than making decisions for the country though?
This is from a Twitter thread by David Roberts @drvox:
17. The Very Serious People who serve as tone police in DC need to decide what they value more: democracy or civility. Because we’re just sliding, sliding, sliding down this slope, pretending all the while that things are still Normal. To get off the slide …
18. … will, almost by definition, require a break with Normal. It will require some sand in the gears, some raised voices, some violations of decorum and precedent. I dunno if restaurant service is the right mechanism, or even a good one. No one knows.
19. The WaPo editorial board, like the MSM establishment more generally, has been utterly fucking useless in slowing our slide to illiberalism. They’ve done nothing but obscure what’s happening behind a veneer of Normal. They have failed. But for the luvagod …
20. … the very least they can do is refrain from concern trolling citizens who are (RIGHTLY) in a panic about the loss of their country. Maybe the agents of this cruelty, the ones lying on its behalf, should feel a little discomfort. There are worse things in the world.
I just searched this on twitter and now following. That was an epic thread–thanks for tipping me off to David Roberts.
Yeah, I stumbled across it yesterday and it helped me feel a little less crazy and distraught. People like your friend replying that any noise we make is hateful and intolerant need to see their despicable leaders experience more discomfort, and more often.
In Argentina there is a law that states that a business has a right to remove anyone from their property. Sometimes this is used to discriminate (like old homophobes kicking out lesbians for daring to KISS. They always have issues with lesbians, not gays) Other times, shady people get kicked out and there’s nothing they can do about it.
In America, sit down protests of the Jim Crow laws often took place in restaurants that refused to serve blacks. I worry that, however justified, the refusal to serve people in private business will bring back those days.
The Dotard is going to win in 2020 because the media and republicans are being way too complicit, his opponents are too afraid of the base(Rob R said that saying F Trump is mobilizing the Dotard’s base and David I said that the Red Hen mobilized the Dotard’s base by kicking out Sarah), Democrats like Nancy Pelosi are being stupid(she is telling other Democrats to stop talking about the Russian investigation and impeaching the Dotard because it will hurt them in midterms and mobilize his base), Neil G on the SC is a nightmare because no one opposes him as he pursues the Dotard’s wishes, courts are ruling in the favor of voter suppression and gerrymandering because the Dotard put his puppets in those seats, and absolutely nothing is being done to prevent the Russians from doing what they did in 2016. Playing nice with the Dotard’s administration isn’t an option, just ask Andrew McCabe. He played nice, the Dotard and Sessions fired him days before his pension was set to kick in and then the Dotard had his puppet IG Micheal Horowitz justify what they did to McCabe. This isn’t going to end well for this country.
What the press gets wrong.
They need to stop worrying about pleasing the Dotard’s base because that’s not how he got elected. He had help from another country. The press should ask themselves, where was this base when the Dotard was encouraging them to vote in the special elections?
We were told that the bots/trolls hacked into our power grid and organized rallies against immigrants, so why does the press think that these bots aren’t messing with the polls that involve the Dotard’s approval rating? Someone posted a chart showing what was trending in Russia, it was Red Hen, Maxine Waters, and immigration/separation. Yet the press presented as if it was a massive wave of Dotard supporters who were writing negative reviews on Yelp.
Repeating that the economy is doing well when many businesses are closing and many stores are raising prices. This is what baffles me the most. We are told that the unemployment rate has improved, but no one in the press asked how since a lot of people have dropped out of the job market due to closings(see TRS and BRS, Sam’s Club, Sears, Kroger in NC, Carrier, a chain of hair and nail salons).
Short attention span. As soon as the Dotard announces that he is done with something, the press forgets about it about we never hear about it again from them. The Muslim ban, the Military ban, Parkland kids, the March For Our Lives Kids, Puerto Rico, the mayor of San Juan, and DACA. I fear like everything else, the press is going to forget these kids in the tent cities.
To all those who say that calling them “Nazis” is taking it to far. Please take the time to read books on Concentration Camps and from Holocaust survivors. We are witnessing history repeat itself before our eyes. When I read about the Holocaust, I often asked how could this happen. Look around at what is happening in our country today. This is how it happened. You have fear mongering and then people telling us not to say or do anything to anger the base.
On Twitter I noticed that bots/trolls are the largest and most persistent responders to the resistance when I check the profiles. There are barely any real Trumpsters and those are so obvious in their malevolence. The bots/trolls are the real danger- they try to undermine and stir up doubt in your own perceptions and opinions under the mild guise of ‘reason’. They are more likely to call for civility and fear monger about the “slippery slope”.
I am very glad for your posts why? I agree with you on all points.
@Maven
That damn slippery slope. It doesn’t apply here at all. I agree with you too.
The minute it starts to be ok for businesses to refuse to serve people because it violates their religious or personal beliefs (ie: refusing to fill a prescription, refusing to make a wedding cake for a same-sex marrriage), then refusing to serve people who violate your political beliefs should be no different.
This isn’t a Trump thing. This is the devolution that happens when the political parties play the “divide the electorate” game for decades on supposed “hot button items” for votes and empower people to fly their discriminatory flags high. I guess they don’t like it so much when they themselves end up being the targets though.
I detest these people and fully understand not wanting to have them in your place of business. BUT, it’s a slippery slope and not that far from allowing a business owner to not serve POC or any other group they have a personal issue with based on their emotions rather than respecting their rights.
On one hand, emotionally I’m high fiving the restaurant owner. On the other, more logical hand, I’m thinking that the fact that people now feel free to discriminate for whatever reason isn’t a direction to encourage. Because this will have blowback and we’ll be seeing worse soon enough.
You are arguing a false equivalence. Have a seat.
You are being humorous. Take a seat too.
+1
Lots of Russians bots here today, some of them bold enough to have “humorous,” ironic names.
Lol I see them too.
Bye, Felicia!
The minute I saw Felicia, I laughed. BOT.
Nope. As long as they continue to terrorize the innocents these Nazi Bunch would have to endulge themselves with Hungry man tv dinners in while watching the news so they can have a grasp of the hell they’ve created.
You know, if you’re a fascist, and you’re in America, you need to EXPECT blowback.
And that was NASTY of Trump to call the restaurant dirty. God. Could this guy even PRETEND to be above the gutter? Doesn’t matter–from what I understand, the people who love the place won’t stop going, and now they’ll have new customers, I would imagine!
I don’t believe that anyone should be turned away but please explain this:
If its okay refuse them service then why is not okay to refuse service to gays, lesbians, blacks, etc, etc. Don’t say that this is ‘different’ because when it comes down to it, its not.
If you also give into the impulses about ‘getting in their faces’ wherever they are at then you give them license to do it to you. This is where you get the ‘you pull out knife, i pull out a gun’ situations.
This is going to end in bloodshed and a lot of innocent people, who aren’t involved, will get hurt.
Race, gender, religion, sexual orientation are protected classes. Against the law to refuse to serve them as a whole. A black jewish lesbian that you individually refuse because she happens to be wearing a MAGA hat, not because she is black, jewish or gay, go right ahead. Minion of Satan is not a protected class.
Yeah I knew this would be brought up…. Its hairsplitting, legalism, and false equivalence. All the ‘protected class’, which I think is wrong because ALL are equal, is for the courts not what happened here. It also doesn’t matter in the situations Maxine Waters wants. That is the ‘in your face’ while they are walking down the street or at a gas station.
Things will escalate. You will get people that won’t just walk away but will stand and fight. What if the person’s are being protested at their homes and one of the protestors, doing it by themselves, throws rocks. People tend to join in on things like that and usually it gets worse.
Just because you are doing it doesn’t forbid the other side for doing it to you. We already had one Bernie fanatic shoot up a baseball game and tried to kill some Repub congressmen. Only the bravery of the security guards prevented it from being a massacre.
The law is specific about which grounds for refusal of service are not allowed. Sarah does not meet any of them. She was not denied service because of her race, her religion, her sexual preference for example.
A restaurant can refuse to serve you if you are not wearing a shirt or shoes, or nude, or if you are a mass murderer, a neonazi, etc. Or promoting separating toddlers from their parents and shipping them god knows where.
All this ‘right of refusal’ is stuff the courts handle months afterwards. It means nothing.
No one chooses to be black, or gay. If you’re discriminated against, you can’t help it. That’s why the law tries to offer some protection. The Sanders person can absolutely choose who she works for, and what hateful lies she’s spreading. She can help herself, OK?
Why is this even a question? Perhaps if she wore a Nazi uniform it wouldn’t be?
Refusing service is just going to lead to even more division and even more tit for tat refusal of service. CNN reports that a woman was refused at a pharmacy because they disagreed with birth control.
You support refusal of service but wait until it happens to you. Civility does matter, the fabric of your society is eroding.
The goal of this administration is to divide Americans and get you to fight amongst yourselves to weaken the US as a whole.
It’s working.
Gee, that’s exactly what the Twitterbots and trolls argue. Go figure.
No the trolls get on both sides of the argument and work hard to fuel it. That is what the Russian troll farms do.
So let me ask you, would you have served Bull Connor? Julius Streicher?
I am not an American and don’t know what Bull Conner is. I am a liberal, and I loath the Trump admin. My point is that you guys are doing exactly what your enemies want you to do. Divide and conquer.
“CNN reports that a woman was refused at a pharmacy because they disagreed with birth control.”
That’s been going on for years, this incident in Arizona isn’t a result of anything but the pharmacist being a dick.
But you go ahead and clutch your civility pearls and worry about what will happen if the Dems start actually calling out Trumpers for what they are.
From @pwnallthethings:
“It is simply not useful to engage in the ideas of a domain that doesn’t have even a passing respect for the distinction between what is true and what it asserts as true, either to muddy the waters, or as a talking point, or to actively gaslight the public on that issue.”
So you’re still waiting for the Dems to call out Trumpers? The point is that you guys are escalating these tit for tat retaliations that you may not be able to come back from.
Lots of gaslighting going on here. People have a right to be mad when babies are ripped from their parents. And a literal spokesperson for that government policy is not experiencing a huge hardship being told to leave a restaurant. And she went and bitched about it on her work twitter account because she is a despicable person who thinks these policies are ok. Screw her. Feel the shunning.
I’m tired of having to “go high” against these fascists. Going high got us trounced in 2016. It’s time to fight back.
That woman was refused medication for a missed miscarriage not birth control. So even worse. This is why we need to fight for even the smallest challenge to reproductive rights – they will start chipping away until women die.
There is a big-ass difference between refusing to serve someone a steak dinner or bake them a cake and refusing to provide potentially life-saving medicine or surgery. That is one of the worst false equivalencies I’ve seen in a very long time.
I agree with your points. Bull Connor, btw, as you are not American, was an American anti-integration politician (Birmingham, Alabama). He enforced racial segregation as long as he could.
As people throw around the terms Nazi and fascist, I would like them to remember that if these were real Nazis, by the time they’d said, “Sorry, we don’t want to serve you,” they’d be half way to labor or concentration camps; that goes for Stalin and several other historical figures I can think of, too. I don’t like these people, but if we overuse certain terms, they lose their meaning. This is still a democracy and protest still achieves things – it got Trump’s policy on the separation of children and families changed. Real Nazis don’t let that happen. There’s quite a lot of footage to support what real Nazis do to people who disagree with them.
A restaurant owner in Louisville refused to serve O.J. Simpson on Derby Eve in 2007. He did it out of respect to the Brown and Goldman families. He also told Trump in 2016 he is not welcome until he apologizes to POWs. Both were refused for personal reasons.
One side calls Hispanics rapists and drug-dealers. One side thinks it’s perfectly fine to tear families from each other and put children in cages for having the audacity to ask for mercy when fleeing violence. One side is fine with a President who thinks and acts like he’s above the law.
The other side thinks that’s bad.
But please, Politico, let’s hear more about how “the left” are the uncivilized, intolerant ones.
Also, this is the same party that MADE FUN OF A PURPLE HEART back in 2004. #NeverForget
While i agree that Trump and his supporters are a hateful, nasty bunch I am baffled at the media/people’s refusal to lay at least some of their anger and disgust at the feet of the so called leaders of the nations from which people are fleeing. Are these leaders not responsible for creating a country that is safe, to provide for its citizens? Why are we not talking about why these leaders are not helping their citizens so they do not need to leave? Why are we not demanding for an end to corrupt governance? Yes, Trump is an asshole. But so are those who lead these countries where people are starving and living in fear of their safety. Its time to address the evil on ALL fronts of the immigration issue.
You understand that one of the main reasons Central America is so dangerous for its citizens is because of decades of US intervention, right? We effectively destabilized the region and made MS-13 (an American export) possible.
It really wasn’t that long ago that the US, under Reagan’s leadership, was supporting the anti-communist regimes of Guatemala and El Salvador and the Contra rebels in Nicaragua. It was Reagan whose administration hired the thuggish bureaucrats who outsourced the mayhem and the murder of peasants and clergy to violent, rogue soldiers. Remember when American-trained officers directed the rape and murder of four American church women in El Salvador early in 1981? Yeah I don’t remember that much either. Media wasn’t quick to cover it as it one of many shameful stains on our foreign policy.
MS-13 is violent and sadistic but not violent and sadistic enough to justify victims of MS-13 seeking safety within our borders.
In terms of making up for the extreme damage we caused, Obama tried to pass a bill that would have given millions in repatriation to deported immigrants of central American countries. He knew that one of the only ways we could help make life better for them is improving their existing circumstances at home. GOP refused to pass the bill because they didn’t want to shell out more foreign aid.
Yes to everything Kitten said. We like to break countries but then refuse to help the broken people. We have done it over and over again.
Safe for its citizens? From what? Babies and little kids? Or simply brown people? Or do you think this orange POS actually cares about safety of his citizens? Do you think he cares about the brown citizens or just the white citizens? Very naive view you have.
Yes. And it’s perfectly fine if private citizens refuse service to gays and lesbians, if that lifestyle is against their beliefs. Flag flies both ways.
The Supreme Court already ruled. An establishment can make that decision for themselves based on their beliefs and morals. They started it by allowing businesses to say no to people on those principles. It goes both ways. Sorry! Not sorry!
These pricks can’t have it both ways. If the Supreme Court says a bakery doesn’t have to make a cake for a gay couple, based on their moral beliefs, then a restaurant owner shouldn’t have to serve amoral people, based on her beliefs.
There is a big difference though. The gay couple is part of a legally protected group. Nazis are not.
When Ivana Trump (wife #1) was interviewed by Vanity Fair magazine way back when she and the Donald had just been divorced, she stated then that the ONLY book that she ever saw him read was Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler. That he kept it laying on the nightstand next to their bed. This interview can still be found online.
Based on having read this way back when and based on observation of Trump’s words and actions both during his candidacy and since his election, I do not find the term “nazi” to be incorrect.
Trump is using the same propaganda techniques the Nazis used. He is speaking in nazi-like dehumanizing terms – i.e. “infest” and he is implementing nazi-like actions on the part of our government.
Why would we NOT use the term “nazi”? The only term that might be more descriptive is “neo nazi fascist”.
I love how the Trump cult is all sad because this fool got booted. That is not the bad part. The bad part is the POTUS taking to twitter to call the place filthy. The owner needs to sue his ass and take him to the cleaners. That is slander.
OMG her face. That is the face of someone who hates her job.