Since everybody’s renaming everything, I have some ideas. We should refer to QEII as Liz of House Petty, and the Cambridges will be Bill and Cath of House Keen, and the Sussexes can be Harry and Meg of The One True House of Windsor. Or not, at this point, it honestly doesn’t matter. I get the feeling that Harry and Meghan knew that the worst could happen and they were prepared for it. Good thing too, because it’s all awful. House Petty keeps showing the world why Harry and Meg got the f–k out of Dodge. And Harry and Meghan are only tied to House Petty for roughly six more weeks.
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will formally step down as senior royals next month, PEOPLE confirms. The agreement reached between the Queen and the couple last month will be put into effect starting March 31, a spokesperson for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex says. Starting April 1, Harry and Meghan will no longer hold an office at Buckingham Palace and will instead be represented by their U.K. charity foundation team.
“The Duke and Duchess will be spending their time in both the United Kingdom and North America,” the spokesperson adds. “In addition to continuing to work closely with their existing patronages as they build a plan for engagements in the U.K. and the Commonwealth throughout the year, The Duke and Duchess have also been undertaking meetings as part of their ongoing work to establish a new non-profit organization. The details of this new organization will be shared later in the year. In general, the themes of their cause related work will remain unchanged, which includes the Commonwealth, community, youth empowerment and mental health, collectively.”
A review is still set to follow after 12 months, at which point the royal family will revisit the agreement. “As there is no precedent for this new model of working and eventual financial independence, the Royal Family and The Sussexes have agreed to an initial 12-month review to ensure the arrangement works for all parties,” the spokesperson says.
Harry will retain the ranks of Major, Lieutenant Commander and Squadron Leader during this 12-month period, however, his honorary military positions will not be used. No new appointments will be made to fill these roles before the 12-month review of the new arrangements is completed.
There are still “ongoing discussions” on whether or not Meghan and Harry and can use the word “royal.” Any changes will be revealed once the Sussexes launch their new charity organization, which was reportedly going to be named “Sussex Royal, the Charity Foundation.”
“As The Duke and Duchess are stepping back as senior Members of the Royal Family, and will work towards financial independence, use of the word ‘Royal’, in this context, needed to be reviewed. Discussions are still ongoing, however, a change will be announced alongside the launch of their new non-profit organization,” their spokesperson says. While the discussions continue, it reportedly appears likely that they will not use the word “royal.”
Meghan and Harry will formally retain their “HRH” styles, but they will not actively use them. They will continue to be known as The Duke and Duchess of Sussex, as well as by their titles of The Earl and Countess of Dumbarton and The Baron and Baroness Kilkeel. Prince Harry remains sixth in the line of succession, and The Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s status in the Order of Precedence is unchanged.
So, Harry and Meghan are still all of these things: royal, duke and duchess, earl and countess, Major, Lieutenant Commander and Squadron Leader, Baron and Baroness, and they’re not removed from the order of succession. But they just can’t DO anything with all of those titles or use them in any way, even if they just want to keep the Sussex Royal Instagram handle. Because House Petty wants to the world to know that rapist predator princes are totally fine but a prince of the realm marrying a black woman is the worst thing to ever happen.
People Mag also gave some details on all of the events coming up for the Sussexes starting on February 28, which is where Harry will “attend the Invictus Games Choir Visit on Feb. 28 alongside singer Jon Bon Jovi.” Harry’s also scheduled to visit the Silverstone Experience opening on March 6. Harry and Meghan will attend the Endeavor Fund Awards on March 5 and the Mountbatten Music Festival at the Royal Albert Hall on March 7. On March 9, they’ll attend some events for Commonwealth Day. On March 8, Meghan will do something for International Women’s Day. So… basically, they’ll probably arrive back in England on February 27 then stay through March 10, then they’re heading back to Canada. Lord, that 12-day period is going to be absolute chaos. It’s going to be brutal. The papers will attack them both relentlessly.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
I worry about their safety going back. Too many hateful leaking people there.
The press are going to do the most because they’re money makers will be out of the country and the leaks and money will dried up. But I think we will see some people trying to play nice and try to butter them up to allow access especially to the invictus games. After March, reality will hit a lot of those people.
I’m trying but failing to get a feeling for how the British public really feel about them. I’ve seen the nasty social media and DM comments, of course, but I can’t tell if those are real people or media paid trolls or bots or what. Sometimes I think it’s 80% Samantha running multiple accounts because she refuses to do anything better with her life. They’ve done well with everything they were doing for their patronages so I really am not sure what kind of reception awaits from the real British public that will come into contact with them or be among the crowds.
I think the British public like them? I’m not sure though. but when you see them at engagements there are large crowds, people cheering for them, and don’t forget when British Vogue sold out so fast…I think that was just the UK initially. I know we didn’t get it here in the States for several weeks after that.
Maybe Sussexit has left a bad taste in some mouths, but I feel like there is a fair amount of support for them?
I don’t the British public at large care that much unless you’re a monarchist. British Republicans don’t like the monarchy or even acknowledge them. That’s why I was giggling at Max Foster and Piers Morgan going on American news stations complaining about two grown adult leaving a welfare system and wanting to work for themselves as if that’s a bad thing in 2020. As soon as people heard no more tax payer dollar funding their lifestyle and financial independence, they didn’t care anymore.
I’m British and work in the media (NOT for a tabloid or mainstream publication) and I’d say 95% of Brits are neutral or positive about them. The thing Americans don’t seem to really get, and forgive me for generalising, is that Brits really, really don’t care about the Royal Family. The only people I’ve ever come across who are obsessed with Royals or put them on a pedestal are Americans. If you visit any Royal shop or active Royal residence, it’s all Japanese and American tourists, you never ever see an actual Brit in there.
It’s also super obvious that most of the Kate stans/Meghan-bashers online aren’t British, even though some of them lie that they are.
Okay there’s a minority of mostly very elderly right-wing Brits who believe in Patriotism and who adore the Queen, but even they pay less attention to the younger royals.
The Cambridges and the Sussexes are really our version of the Kardashians: good for mindless gossip fodder, but hardly anyone really cares about them on a deeper level than that.
I would say though that I have a lot of friends who either actively dislike or are completely disinterested in the Royals, who have expressed deep sympathy for and outrage over Meghan’s racist treatment by the press. Even people who make it a point of pride to ignore royals and royal coverage (in the same way people pride themselves on not knowing anything about the Kardashians) say how appalling it is.
I think there was a lot of goodwill at first, especially from people who normally have little or no interest in the RF (including me!). Then it died down a bit as attention went elsewhere. The “Meghan is a bitch” slanders gained some traction, but there has been a great deal of sympathy for H&M since the “racism graphic” was shared on Twitter, and that has grown as more and more people have begun to understand what is going on with regard to the tabloids. They also compare and contrast the treatment of H&M with the treatment of Andrew and are disgusted. It has started a long-overdue debate about racism in Britain, not always edifying, sadly. There still exists very British state of mind which abhors racism in principle while refusing to acknowledge any specific instance of it. But I think the angels are getting the upper hand, if only because younger people are more aware than the older generation. If anyone recalls Dave’s rap at the Brits the other day, that was hailed as brave and timely in many quarters. And many people drew parallels between the media treatment of Caroline Flack (the presenter who committed suicide) and the Duchess of Sussex.
But to sum up – Meghan and Harry are very popular, especially with younger people and people who are not traditionally royalists. It’s just that the white supremacists and the traditionalists shout louder.
@meghanbot. Respectfully disagree. The Brits do in fact care deeply about their monarchy. To test this theory, perform a survey of who would support abolishing the monarchy and you will suddenly see the ones who supposedly don’t care lauding the benefits.
RoyalBlue, Meganbot is 100% right.
Removing the monarchy would mean completely destroying our entire political system (and many, many other systems) and building a new one from the ground up. The cost and disruption would be INSANE. It would cost billions of pounds to remove the monarchy. I work for a national charity with “Royal” in its name and if Britain ever became a republic it would cost us tens of millions of pounds.
Many Brits are also worried about the potential for abuse if we moved to a Presidential system where one single person has ultimate power, and dislike the fact that in countries with presidents, one person has to do both the actual political stuff and all the ceremonial goodwill handshaking stuff. We prefer to keep the two separate.
The fact most Brits don’t want the disruption of a whole new unknown political system means absolutely nothing about our interest in royals as people.
And please stop America-splaining people’s own countries to them.
I too genuinely worry for the safety of Meghan and Archie. I’m English. I fully expect there to be booing. I highly doubt they are in any physical danger, but why put yourself through 1. The emotional turmoil of being booed in public – just for attending a family event, or god forbid, people swearing or spitting. 2. The Royal Rota will be covering all these events and they will be out in full force baying for their pound of flesh. As much as I’d love to see the pics, I look at pics of Meghan from early 2019 and pics of her and Harry in South Africa (the last time I think I saw her let her guard down a bit, and she genuinely looked happy) and I wonder if it is worth it :'(
The whole world will be watching. If they boo the only person of color to marry into the modern royal family, it’s a mark on Britain and the royal family and the rest of the world will only want to support Meghan even more. I actually think the opposite will happen. I think they’ll be met with deafening cheers and applause. Either way, the royals come out smelling like a stink bomb while Meghan garners more support
I saw a theory on twitter that fits IMO – H&M have already decided not to use Royal, and are going to be the Sussex Foundation or whatever, and this bit about the use of the word royal is to make it look like they were “ordered” not to use it as a way of showing that the Queen still runs the show and they are still being ordered around. Who knows, but that seems plausible to me, especially considering how the RRs are so determined to “put them in their place.”
The military bit is interesting to me because I think it shows that the palace realized the backlash that caused (removing Harry’s honorary titles and floating the idea of Anne getting at least one of them) and so is kind of trying to get around it without completely walking it back.
Anyway, those days when they’re back here are going to be insane. The press is going to have a field day. The body language at the commonwealth service is going to be analyzed to the nth degree.
I wonder whether it might have been someone forcing someone’s hand.
Discussions are apparently still ongoing as to whether the Sussexes can use “royal”. But yesterday there was a lot of fuss about them being BANNED (all caps obligatory) from using it.
So now what? If the Queen were to agree they could use it, it would look like she was going back on what she’d previously decided. A weak queen letting those upstarts boss her around? She’s not going to want that image out there.
If the Queen were to now agree they could use it, it would make all the RRs who have spent the past two days insisting they CANT use it look like idiots, so at that point we could expect a new round of stories about how Harry pitched a tantrum over it or something.
You gave us a very precise and good prediction of what’s gonna happen.
Personally, I think they were lucky if all the ghastly mess the RF is doing about the Sussexes’ exit stops there and nothing worse comes out of it. Like you said (and it’s a very good idea) they can rename the brand to Sussex Fundation or something like that to create an image they can sell.
But the house of Windsor didn’t say the last word, yet.
I think they are going to measure the temperature (how the world reacts to H&M) within the next 12 months they have to meet again with Harry. Mainly, I think they want to know if the Sussexes are doing fine, earning good money, stablishing their brand with success, being popular in their new capacity, etc. If yes, the Windsors will stricke again.
I wish them the best of course, but the RF didn’t survive all those centuries out the love of their hearts.
It must be of the most important agenda for BP/KP/Clarence House (maybe this one won’t be too much involved) and specially the Queen, to show clearly to their family and the world that there’s no life for a royal outside the Firm. I hope and pray I’m wrong.
He earned those military ranks through ten years of service; the queen can’t take those away, only the military could. And they won’t. She could only take away his honorary titles, because she’s the one who gave him those.
And to show how petty she is, she took those away.
I think your theory is a good one Becks1. I’ll bet the Sussexes already have copyrighted an alternative name and will roll it out at the right time —- that would be April 1 or April Fool’s Day — now that I think of it. 🤯. I think they would have liked to keep SussexRoyal but I don’t think they give a real damn one way or the other. I think all this hand wringing drama coming out now about it is HOUSE PETTY flapping their gums. If I were the Sussexes I would be counting down the days!
The papers and his family. How uncomfortable is this going to be. Brutal.
I’m sure they’re counting the days.
When I was in Student Teaching, we’d make a Daisy Chain out of construction paper to count off the days till Summer break; I wonder if they have a metaphorical one, and pull off a link, mentally, one by one, until they can be done with that family of vindictive vipers.
I’m wondering if they’ll go back for Bea’s wedding, too. Considering how appallingly she (and most of the family (that we could see)) sat snickering and laughing at H&M’s wedding, I think I’d send a gift and apologies (Oh, dear, Archie has a bad cold and can’t travel! Oops! Sorry, calendar conflict…Regards!).
EVERY BREATH will be scrutinized when they’re back there, incl. HOW they fly there (any screams about Ed and Soph flying private to their ski trip? Or how ’bout Bea’s trip to Singapore? Wandering Will and Katie Keen’s trip, most likely on the DoW’s private jet again…anything, ANY word in the press? Right… of course not), staying at Frogmore (they’ve not paid for it yet!!), clothes, (of course every pound will be put out there, down to her tights).
I’d stay home in sweats!
I think they’ll come for Bea’s wedding only bc I think Invictus is around the same time (mid May I think?) so I bet you they come for maybe a month at that point in time – Invictus in the Hague, Bea’s wedding, maybe do an appearance at Ascot or a garden party, and then the Trooping. They’re pretty clear in all their announcements that they’ll be back in the UK regularly so I don’t think they are just going to go to the US for 6 months at a clip.
But, I imagine a lot of that depends on how the March trip goes. Like you said, their every breath will be scrutinized.
I wonder about the wedding. That bug-eyed sniggerer Bea doesn’t deserve Meghan’s grace and presence but I bet Meg will be there looking stunning as usual.
Stunning, yes. It would be even better if it was her first appearance after announcing pregnancy #2. That would burn the Yorks yet again.
They are going to be joining the rest of the RF at the Commonwealth day service at Westminster – that should be interesting and all eyes will be on the Sussex’s and the Cambridges. I wonder if the DoLittles will make a big effort to look like they are besties with the Sussex’s.
that was the service with all those tense pictures from last year, right? So it will be interesting to see how it plays out. That was right around the time the Rose rumors were picking up too IIRC.
Now, the press are wondering if they’ll attend the Trooping with Archie. I hope they don’t bring him because they don’t deserve to see or pap that baby. Keep him as far away front that media as possible.
I totally agree@Brit
Archie is so stinking cute! He’s so adorable. I selfishly want to see more pictures of him because that cute face makes me smile. But he’s a human being who even as an infant is facing awful circumstances with the press. So I hope he stays hidden and depending on what his parents decide, we don’t get to see what he looks like at all anymore if they wish, and he gets to grow up relatively privately like children of some celebrities who manage to keep a lid on paparazzi photos. If he decides to become a public figure at 18, go for it. But until then, I hope he has the secure relatively normal life (out of the royal fishbowl) his parents are fighting so hard to give him.
I don’t think at this point they will bring Archie if they attend the Trooping. I think if things had been different, this probably would have been his first Trooping (he’ll be 13 months, which may be a little young but I think he would be okay) but I think with the current situation, they want to maintain complete control over him. They don’t want him at the trooping to spark stories about how he “behaved” (13 months!) or how he interacted with Louis or whatever.
I bet you we see him at Invictus though.
I hope they don’t bring him. All the nutjobs in the Twitter feeds of the royal reporters like Richard Palmer, saying the Sussexes bought the baby, that he’s really a girl, etc. are so nauseating. They don’t deserve a peek at that baby.
If Archie is at Invictus, I hope it is only in behind-the-scenes photos released on their IG. I don’t want paps making money off him, or it being open season on taking his pictures at the events.
@Nota – I could see them bringing him to a behind the scenes event (meet and greet of athletes or something) with pictures released afterwards. I feel pretty confident he’ll be there so we’ll definitely at least get pictures, especially as it will be around the time of his first birthday.
I could see them setting up camp somewhere else for a few weeks, like hidden away in the Netherlands for the duration. Fly over for the day for Bea’s wedding, fly right back. Completely out of sight and untraceable by the RRs. The Dutch have a strict media code about not photographing their own royals in public. Would be nice if they extended it to visiting royals.
I know Harry hasn’t lost his place in succession, but considering they’re not “royal” anymore, wouldn’t they have to walk in/sit/stand behind Eddie now, if they follow the order of who goes in first, second, etc? Should be interesting to see where The Queen of House Petty makes them stand/sit, and if it will be anywhere near W&K.
ETA: Just realized, their “demotion” isn’t until the end of March, so they probably WILL be in the same formation as last year.
The article specifically says that their place in the order of precedence is unchanged.
@Becks1- they usually weren’t seated in true order of precedence when they were working Royals. So, their seats may change. True order of precedence is the monarch, monarch’a kids, and then monarch’s grandkids. Harry and William were usually seated out of order. If they seat Harry and Meghan in order of precedence they would be after Edward.
@Ainsley – I just googled and it seems you’re right, but that the British royal family has kind of been altering things to keep various people happy. So it will be interesting to see how they enter the abbey. I would be very surprised if H&M enter after Edward.
ETA I think the Sussexes will enter closely behind the cambridges and Charles like last year in order to put on a show of “united family” regardless of how true it is.
They are royal. They aren’t losing their titles or HRH. Precedence remains the same when they are together with the royal family. They just aren’t working as senior royals. When sitting at the Commonwealth service, they come in backwards in precedent.
The fact that there is so much will they won’t they, what’s the order?, whose hurt feelings made them change?, here’s your random made up title (and a RIBBON!) blah blah blah just shows how stupid and arbitrary all of this is.
They ARE still royal. WHY is this is difficult for people to understand? They are not working royals but they are still as royal as the rest of the Queen’s grandchildren. Not USING a title doesn’t mean you don’t still HAVE one. ( pauses to massage my temple).
@Ohpioneer – This article makes it clear Harry and Meghan are still royal, even if they cannot use the “HRH” designation publicly. But not all of the Queen’s grandchildren are royal. Anne’s children are commoners, and Edward’s children are peers, but not royals. Andrew’s and Charles’ kids are royals.
I don’t see why they would come after Edward’s children. There are those who don’t have titles or HRHs and come in order in line of succession ahead of those who have. For instance Peter and Zara are ahead of the HRH cousins of the Queen. And they never ever had titles or HRHs.
Edward’s children are royals; they are technically HRH Princess Louise and HRH Prince James. Edward & Sophie chose to style them differently because neither child will ever be a working Royal. WHEN Charles becomes king, Archie will technically be HRH Prince Archie although he is unlikely to be styled as such. Louise & James are definity Royals, no matter their title.
Edward’s children are not royals. When Edward married Sophie, the Queen announced that Edward would be made an earl, and that any children he and Sophie had would NOT be “HRH” but instead would only be styled as the children of an earl. It would be different if she said they would be HRH but not use that title (like Harry), but she specifically said they would NOT be HRH. These titles are given out at the Monarch’s pleasure so the Queen could always change her mind (or Charles could do it after the Queen dies), but so far, those kids are not royalty.
Good for them. The disrespect from the monarchy and the BM is really something to behold. I think reality is hoping home not just for the monarchy but the media as well. I’ve never seen an attempt to control two human beings more than the British Press’ desire to control them. It’s very insidious. I don’t get it at all. Harry and Meghan have made it perfectly clear with the lawsuits, stepping down and cutting out the Royal rota that they want nothing to do with the press and yet everyone is yearning and angry about them stepping down. The RF and media better enjoy these few weeks while they can because it will be over after March and hopefully Harry, Meghan and their son/future children never return to that toxic environment.
I think Meghan’s case is supposed to hit the courts sometime in April. At least that was the supposed timeline given when the lawsuit was announced. If so, Piers Morgan May need to be sectioned by the time he’s done frothing at the mouth when they are there in March.
I know they don’t want to be away from their baby for a long period of time, but I really hope they don’t bring Archie back to London with them! For his and their safety!!!
And if they do bring him, please keep him far away from baldy Cain’s jealous ass! Lord knows what will happen!😬
That 12-month review is really annoying me…lord knows they’re gonna do whatever they can to stifle or disrupt the launch of their foundation in hopes that it fails. I also saw an article (I can’t remember which newspaper) about how it was a backdoor set up for Harry if he ever decided to come back. No mention of his wife and child. Harry alone.
They don’t even look at Meghan and Archie as his family. But they’ll be quick to tell you they aren’t racist and neither is the media, lol. Make no mistake, the RF are pissed because they can’t throw the Sussexes under the bus anymore to protect Andrew and Kate/William after March. The year review seems to be about the media and RF still holding on to the Sussexes for dear life because they need them for PR and money.
When the review was first mentioned in early Jan it was mentioned that they wanted to use this as a working model for Charlotte and Louis down the road. Now that reason is never mentioned in any article, it’s all about Harry.
It really annoys me too, S808! That crappy family are so jealous of both H&M’s global reach, they want to make sure they have some form of control on their freedom!
Who care if the agreement is working for anyone else besides Harry and Meghan. They are the only ones this agreement should be catered to, not the rest of that trash family!
Hopefully, by that time, their Foundation will be running smoothly enough and they will have much firming footing with their own financial workings that they can tell Charles and Queen Petty thayt the can’t hold money over their heads as a threat.
The British media acting like Meg and Archie are just an after-thought for Harry and not the two most important people in his life is so disgusting. It reminds me of the way the US tabloids talk abut the biological Jolie-Pitt kids vs the adopted ones. It’s qwhite interesting…
Am not sure the RF feel that way esp as TQ made that statement when Sussexit happen – she specifically said that all 3 of the Sussex’s are and always will be loved members of the family. It’s the nasty tabloid media who is making out that Meghan and Archie are not welcome.
Agreed – as usual, the press is running wild with tiny inklings of truth.
While her words are nice and if she really does feel that way then great, but the actions and lack thereof towards Meghan tells a different story imo.
She did say that, but we all know that people say things that they don’t really mean all the time. C’mon, do you really expect TQ to come out and say, “They are DEAD to me…Ungrateful snots to run off and do their own thing and not stay here to take our abuse and be thrown under whatever bus we need them to lay in front of! HOW DARE THEY!?”.
Yeah, no… she *had* to make a statement like that.
I mean, she didn’t HAVE to make the statement at all. She could have left that part out if she didn’t mean it. I know this family is incredibly screwed up, but there’s just so much wild speculation happening. And we criticize the tabloids and the British media for doing it – but it’s getting to a point where everyone is diving DEEP into conspiracy over what are more logical reasons for things. I’ve seen it said more than once on here that people genuinely expect the BRF to physically attack Meghan or Archie – which is just wild. I don’t doubt that there are unstable people out there with a hit list, but to think that people that are as visible as the BRF in freaking 2020 are the ones that are going to attack them is a bit off the deep end.
If I was Meghan I’d stay home with Archie. It would mean separation from Harry for a short while but it would be worth it to be away from the vicious press.
Exactly. They want pics of Meghan and Archie badly and why would I give that abusive press anything of me or my child. Yeah, they complain and be angry but what else is new.
I hope Archie never steps a toe back in Britain.
“12-month review” = “Did we miss any opportunities to smear or belittle them?”
The papers are ALREADY attacking them 24/7 especially Meghan! I look forward to seeing them back in the UK because it’ll further highlight how much the fools at the palace will be losing. I said yesterday that the sudden announcement about them not using ‘royal’ part could be due to THEM dropping it after that Australian doctor interfered with the copyright process I think it allowed them a chance to make changes and they took it. I’d also refer to that report of janina following a account called Archie foundation.
This outdated institution is on its last leg. They no longer have anything to offer and losing their only minority women further signals to commonwealth countries that they are not accepted!
I want Meghan to drop a fully formed project that she’s been secretly working on this whole time, at every single patronage she visits during those 12 days or whatever. Wouldn’t that be amazing? It would show that she hasn’t just been crying into her Canadian off-brand Cheerios, biting her nails, worrying about sussexit. No, she’s been working just as hard as ever, hardly a blip in her schedule. They’re nearly done being senior royals, they don’t have to dim their light anymore so as not to outshine Kate’s struggle surgery. Just walk in with like 5 huge projects on par with the cookbook or the SmartWorks collection, drop them one right after the other, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam and then fly out of there on the last day while the projects continue to make a lasting impact on her patronages, raising all kinds of money, and helping all kinds of people.
The challenge with that is that it would step on her own campaigns and potentially be less impactful (and, therefore less helpful than planned). If she were to drop 5 campaigns, day after day, there wouldn’t be enough time for any of them to get the attention and media they deserved and it could get messy really quickly. I’d love to see it really skillfully executed, but I doubt that would be a tack they’d take.
When launching a campaign, you generally want clear simple steps for people: go here, do this. Grenfell – buy this cookbook. Smart Works – pick up these capsule pieces. If she had five different campaigns, it would be “give here, then here, now do this, and this, and don’t forget this!” And there would end up being so many different action steps that most people would do nothing.
I do think it could be interesting if they treat this return somewhat like their tours, where you hit each spot for a certain amount of time (and directed spotlight/attention) within a tight timeline. And then conclude with the official launch of their foundation.
Canadian off-brand Cheerios
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lol Amy Too – are our Cheerios different in Canada?
Carmen, in my head, instead of Cheeri-Os, the Canadian off brand is Cheeri-Ehs. 😉
@Amy: With a picture of Bob and Doug McKenzie on the box holding chubbies of Molson Canadian saying…”Good Day Eh…”
The National Theatre director released a statement just recently that said Meghan was still taking a very active role via conference calls and emails with them about various projects. I imagine she and Harry are both working very hard with all their groups. The press is the only one who thinks they are sitting around just eating subs, dog walking, and cuddling Archie. The press doesn’t have a clue what they are doing. The leaking is really drying up. 😎
And dirty Andrew keeps the title? That family is the worst!
There are many royal families in Europe who’s kids live abroad and they’re not stripped of the title, or shunned like this. Monsters!
Princess Madeleine of Sweden is a perfect example of this. Her husband still has his regular job and they live quietly here in Florida. It can be done without all of the drama.
Did you see they had to move because of a house break-in?
Actually the King of Sweden recently removed the HRH from all of his grandchildren except the daughter and son of CP Victoria. And I agree, HRH Princess Madeleine is a perfect example of how to be a modern royal.
Why is everyone upset about these titles and what they can and cant do. They r the ones who dont wany anything to do with the royal fanily. So why do they even want titles or royal work ? They want out or they dont. You cant have it both ways. That is how it works in the real world. U step down as chair of a company u arent called the CEO anymore and u arent getting money anymore for that job. Simple !!
that does not in any way disprove what was said. HRH princess madeleine lives in Florida and her husband works. even if the Swedish king removed HRH from the grandchildren – the comments are still correct.
HRH Princess Beatrice and HRH Princess Eugenie are out making money, and they use their titles in their work and for connections.
Imagine being in one of many “news rooms” in the UK, the slimy, vile, lying narratives about H&M that are being invented right now.
It’s good that the date is soon. I hope the media will not only stop criticizing them, but also stop making them into saints as well. It’s also time to stop all the criticism surrounding Kate. The focus has to be on Prince Andrew now. He needs to be stripped of his royal title and lifestyle. All the press surrounding the Cambridges and Sussexes are distracting the public from the big problem… Andrew!
Your point might make sense if you didn’t try to drag Kate into it and make her a false victim. There’s been nothing but fawning over her in the media.
No kidding.
Late (typo and it stays) is criticized for being lazy and not doing her job effectively. Which is true, which means it’s feedback. She is also justifiably criticized for flashing her a&$ at work events, which is true, which means it’s feedback. She’s criticized for having 50 versions of the same outfit and for putting more time and effort into cultivating her stupid clipped accent than just showing up and working. Those are all valid critiques.
I understood what you were trying to say Mia — it is too bad that Andy isn’t vilified with the same energy the stan culture uses to either deify or crucify their chosen target.
Having followed the BRF for years, I remember Kate being dragged through the mud by the press and paps for YEARS while dating Will and for years after she married him. She had to put up with it for much longer than Meghan. But she obviously is committed to her family and country. It is clear that she has persevered and developed into a future queen consort that her country can be proud of. I’m not sure that many people would have put themselves out there day after day to so much criticism. Well done, Kate.
I’m going to be nice and just point out that Kate never ever faced the racism that Meghan faced. Full stop.
And you say “future queen consort that her country can be proud of” – all I see is a Stepford wife.
Kate was not criticized once the engagement was announced until several years later when both she and William were criticized for still not working as much as the older royals. So you are lying. In fact we can point to an incident shortly after the marriage where Amanda Platell in an article tried to suggest that Kate was like a mannequin in that we don’t hear from her at all and the PM jumped in to be outraged along with plenty of others.
Kate remains mediocre when it comes to work and she gets all the credit even for the most minute attempts at looking like she is working.
Not this tripe again.
Kate was only criticized starting a few years after Uni, when it was clear she did nothing but wait for the phone to ring. She chose to do nothing but vacation 10 times a year with her royal boyfriend. She chose to go out the front door of clubs because she wanted to be photographed with William.
So much whitewashing, so much re-writing of history. Too bad most of us on here remember the facts.
Kate was dragged for being a lazy, vapid party girl, not for being a vivacious, hard-working, smart, charismatic, philanthropy-minded *bi-racial* woman.
Oh dear Tumblr troll alert @Angilique
This site has criticized Kate for her laziness, press games, and unprofessionalism for 10 years. If you want a pro-Kate, anti-Meghan site, there are plenty out there.
As of now, Andrew has not yet been charged with any crime, much less been convicted of one.
He is shady, slimy, disgusting and morally reprehensible. He’s not the first member of the Royal family to be so.
But as long as he keeps his head down and stays out of sight he’s a non issue.
Harry and Meghan are a bigger issue because they are front and center.
@JC – I see the point you are trying to make.
However, I feel Andrew is dangerous to the general public (like Harvey Weinstein) in a way that the Sussexes are not.
Andrew is NOT a non-issue. The only reason that Meghan & Harry are front and center in a negative context is due to the way this whole mess has been handled QEII and the future Charles III from the very beginning.
A rapist pedophile in the family paid to represent the UK is ‘a non issue’? Using his diplomatic immunity and his mummy’s position to prevent him being charged for his crimes? This is a non-issue?
@JC, Andrew KNOWINGLY associated with a child sex trafficker. He entertained him at his mother’s home and took money from him. That’s not a NON-ISSUE. That’s CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
Andrew has brazenly posed with his doting mother and been in the papers. He is not hiding out. And his mother encourages this.
Kate is a public figure who chose to marry the future future heir of the UK, which involves a certain amount of work. She lives in palaces and has gowns and jewels at the expense of the taxpayer. She should be criticized if she is not meeting the expected standard of work that every other working royal has done for decades. She has yet to meet a fraction of that standard despite the court stenographers trying their best to puff up her meagre attempts at charitable work. We are going on a decade of this game of laziness. No one is going to stop calling out the bs because of an internet comment.
Nearly two decades really, as she essentially never worked prior to their engagement.
None of that is going to happen. They’ll still cape for Andrew, still tear at the Sussexes especially once they start making money, still embiggen Kate, and the skeptics will still roll their eyes at her “work”, and no one is really saying much about William, less about Charles, and the taxpayers won’t complain, unless it’s Meghan.
They need to keep doing what they are doing. Ignore the naysayers, and please, leave baby Archie home with Ms. Doria! That’s too toxic an environment to expose your 9 month old baby.
I truly hope they don’t bring him over. Feels too dangerous. Grandma Doria is a MUCH better option.
I’m having a hard time seeing why not being able to use “Royal” in their branding would be considered petty.
One can consider the use of “royal” “king” “queen” etc (as stated in those 2 laws that have been cited before) as branding that belongs exclusively to The Crown, aka “The Firm”.
H and M have left The Firm and in doing so, lost the “right” to benefit from the branding that belongs to The Crown.
The difference here between H&M and for example, Fergie is the intention (or not) to submit to the authority of The Crown. The “boss move” of releasing the statement about leaving the working RF without clearing it with TQ beforehand made it perfectly clear that the Sussexes intend to do as they please regardless of what TQ says or wants.
There is no way that The Crown is going to allow it’s lucrative branding to be usurped by an entity over which they have no control.
Nevertheless he continues being a son a a king. They’re disgusting. How can you excommunicate a son? They were a lot more lenient when King Edward abdicated.
Uuuhhhmmmm. No. They weren’t lenient, He was exiled and didn’t want to be. He kept his HRH styling but his wife never received it. He was truly non grata.
Janet—they did not leave the royal family. They wanted to step back from certain duties, they didn’t quit. And they tried to consult with the Queen about this and were blocked.
@Maria @MissKirrtin : I think that you’re missing an important nuance that I was trying to communicate. Family is family. The Crown is The Crown. TQ, in her statement was clear that H, M and A will always be part of her family.
They will no longer represent The Crown, which is an entirely different thing than the family. The outrage seems to come from conflating the two different things as one. But they are not.
@GuestWho: whether the Sussexes were or felt justified or not to publicly put TQ in front of a fait accompli in the way they did, I am quite sure that the message of “screw you Liz, we’ll do what we want” was 100% understood by TQ. That was my point.
@janet The message to the queen was not “screw you.” The talks had been ongoing for weeks. H&M played by the queen’s/courtiers’ rules in good faith until, once again, they got screwed over. The message from Will to H&M – through Wootton – was “screw you we’ll continue to try to destroy your reputations without any thought to your safety or happiness.” Harry is trying to keep his family safe against the tide of the royals and their henchmen at the newspapers trying to drive them out and separate him from his wife and son. And you can bet tq understands that – for optics, she doesn’t want another Diana situation, which is what the papers are truly hoping for. I bet they already have the sad, sad headlines written for when they manage to get this woman killed (to save Harry).
So? Harry is prince by birth and royal, that is his birthright. Not even the Queen can remove that from him.
They’re still going to be President and Vice President of the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust. They retain their patronages. They will attend royal events like Trooping the Colour. Whether you like it or not, they are still representing the Queen in some capacity. Not letting them use “royal” IS petty.
And no, they did not send a message of “screw you”. Though they would have been justified if they had. Their own family leaked the story ahead of time. That still wasn’t enough to get Charles and the Queen to listen to their requests for meetings and discussions on this. That’s all the fault of the Queen.
@GuestWho: Once again… whether they felt justified or not isn’t relevant to my point, although you keep attempting to make it so.
They, as members of The Firm aka The Business of Being Royal, put TQ aka THE BOSS in front of a fait accompli in the press, without any warning or notice and demonstrated by doing so that they did not consider themselves subject to her wishes. It’s possibly even more complicated than that actually, since TQ is the Head of the Armed Forces and Harry is a member. That might have some bearing as well.
Well, the Queen knew these plans were in the works, so she had “warning” and “notice.” And apparently, they even told her and Charles before posting their website – granted it was the same day, but she knew about it.
My guess is the reason Harry arrived at the “Sandringham Summit” an hour before William was to tell his grandmother what a POS his brother was and why he had to post that when he did, and she seems to have understood, all things considered.
@Janet – keep moving those goal posts.
Janet – Keep pretending petulant Bill and prickly princess Kate weren’t the ones who leaked the info ahead of time. Direct to their obvious mouthpiece Wooten. To deliberately make it appear chaotic, when really it was planned, thought out, and discussed for month. Too bad for W&K&Carole, Harry and Meghan had a full explanation ready to go at a moment’s notice on their website.
To be very clear – the “boss move” was precipitated by slick willy’s “boss move” of leaking the story to his buddy dan wootton and trying to (again) control the narrative. They are under no obligation to allow him to do that to them again – so, yes, they made it perfectly clear that they were not going to allow their family members to continue to paint them and their decisions in a negative light. And why shouldn’t two adults live their life without the constant back-stabbing of family and press? Why build their lives around a woman who didn’t lift finger one to support them publicly and instead let her sons and grandson trample their reputations on the daily? The royal family is perfectly capable of shutting down the press when the want to. Instead, they created an atmosphere where Meghan (and probably Archie, bless him) were UNSAFE in their home country. They whipped up public hate to the point where people literally want her dead. If she was any kind of grandmother (or leader), why did she let that happen? Simply because H&M were outshining the future future king and queen consort.
Exactly this!
Yes, I agree completely!
@Janet
The royal family literally doesn’t own the would royal.
If they did then all the royal reporters using royal wouldn’t be able to use it.
@Ali: I know. I looked up the relevant laws that have been referenced in the Press and read them. This is a trademark issue, not a fair use issue.
“the controversy highlights a “rarely discussed” provision in UK trademark law, which prohibits the registration of marks that “would lead people to believe that there is an association with the Queen”.
“This can include images in trademark applications which are similar to the royal crown, royal flags, royal arms as well as wording which may suggest that the applicant has or recently has had royal patronage or authorisation,” Coop said.
Section 4 of the UK Trade Marks Act 1994 states that words that would lead people to think the applicant has royal authorisation cannot be registered without the consent of the Queen or the relevant member of the royal family.”
UK law is unenforceable outside of the UK, so this is a pointless argument. Harry and Meghan could use the word royal in a variety of countries like the US and China and the Queen can’t do anything about it. And since those countries have a way larger consumer base than the UK, it shows just how the UK is irrelevant in the world.
@Nic19: They trademarked it in the UK and the EU, so I suppose UK law is relevant.
And the UK is out of the EU. They can trademark it in the US and other countries and make a mint and the Queen can’t stop it. Please stop using sections of UK legislation when it’s clear you have no idea how trademark law works around the world.
@Nic919: i’m perfectly aware that Brexit has happened, lol. However, they have also applied with the WIPO for worldwide protection, but that application is based on their owning the UK trademark. Some intellectual property rights lawyer has apparently applied to trademark the name in the US, because they haven’t. That shouldn’t be an issue if their WIPO application goes through, but if the UK trademark which ia the basis for that gets revoked, they will be left scrambling.
You are not a trademark lawyer and have zero idea what you are talking about. Please stop repeating tumblr talking points. It is not how trademark law works around the world. Each country is different and is not obligated to recognize the laws of another jurisdiction. That’s basic first year law school private international law concepts.
@Nic919: are you aware of article 6ter of the Paris Convention
He remains a royal prince, ergo he is royal and what he does is royal.
I don’t see you protesting the repeated examples of working royals using their HRH and royal titles to make money. Or B&E having HRH and using that in earning a living.
@NotSugarHere: He also agreed to not use His Royal Highness, and I suspect there is a nuance there as well.
Coming back to my original point, there are certain words covered by those couple of trademark laws that appear to be the equivalent of branding for the The Crown. I also said that I think those who agree to be subject to the Queen’s orders receive the leeway to benefit from the Crown’s branding. And those who don’t agree, don’t get that leeway. In that context, I’m not protesting either way, it seems simple to me.
Either you’re a team player, or you’re not. That’s it.
For the record, I don’t blame Meghan one bit for not wanting to live in the UK. Been there, done that and hated every minute of living in London.
You keep ignoring that plenty of other Windsors, with HRH or without, have or are using ‘royal’ are part of their branding or way in which they make personal cash.
The rules apparently only apply to Meghan and Harry. Not to rapist pedo Andy’s wife (and now ex-wife), or his kids with their HRHs. Or P&P Michael of Kent. Or Anne’s kids.
@NotASugarHere:
I’m not ignoring them at all. They are included in the group of those who get leeway to benefit from the branding because they have agreed to obey the Queen.
Ah, so you’re pretending rapist pedo Andrew is obeying the Queen? That the Queen is all on board with Fergie selling access to her royal husband for cash? With Fergie accepting cash from human trafficker Epstein to pay off her bills. That Peter Philips was obeying the Queen when he sold his wedding photos that embarrassed her? Or his royal milk exploits?
As written above, keep moving the goal posts but you’ll never Make It Make Sense.
@NotASugar: that is quite clearly not even remotely what I was saying, but nice try.
Name me one of those people who would openly and publicly defy the Queen if she gave them a direct order.
That is quite clearly addressing those goal posts and laws you insist apply only to Harry and Meghan. Your game is obvious but you keep trying, no matter how many people on here point out you’re in the wrong. And I for one don’t find Brexit an ‘LOL’ matter. FFS.
Name me one of those people who haven’t used their royal ties, titles, and connections to grift in embarrassing and potentially criminal ways. Excusing Peter after the fact because he didn’t tell the royals about selling the photos to Hello? For profiteering off the Jubilee. For Sarah selling access to Andrew? For taking money from a pedophile.
You’ll excuse anything those people do, so long as they aren’t named Meghan and Harry.
The press must be salivating. They will do the most.
If they DIDN’T plan to use royal from the start, they wouldn’t have called their website so. I think this was an unexpected development for them.
That said I think their life in Canada is going to be easier when it comes to paparazzi following them everywhere. It’ll be more because they now don’t have as much protection as they did when living in the UK. I think the paps will be truly a never ending presence in their life.
Agreed. Three dimensional chess theories that they didn’t want it in the first place but just wanted to show how “petty” the RF was, make no sense in light of the copyright/trademark work, website name, etc. work that was done beforehand. But they can just use Sussex Global or something like that.
To be clear (because I have said that I don’t think they intend to use Sussex Royal at this point or don’t care if they are told they cant use it) – I don’t think it was part of three dimensional chess or whatever. I think they wanted to use it when they intended to be FT royals, maybe want to keep using at it this point, maybe not – but I don’t think they are as invested in the use of the word “royal” as other people (cough *us* cough) are.
I’m sure you know that is a tumblr theme. Attacking the idea that Meghan plays 3D chess.
@Nota – I didn’t know that! I shouldn’t have bothered responding to that lol.
Yes, it is because Meghan fans started saying she was playing 3D chess while everyone else was playing checkers. The haters have tried to latch on to that and ‘take it away from her’ as it were. It is clear from their recent comments, Mumbles is clearly in hater camp.
They did a LOT of that though before they officially announced they were stepping back. They got their website domain shortly after they got married IIRC. SussexRoyal on IG has been around since they separated from KP last year. Their trademarks were in the fall. etc. they definitely planned to originally use Sussex Royal as part of their foundation name when they first split from W&K’s foundation.
so they might have intended to use it because it was already their “brand” but I don’t think they are going to be broken up over it if they cant use it.
I like “SussexCommon”, as in Commonwealth, for some reason. It makes them sound relatable and charitable to the average person.
I vote Sussex Force. It ties in with their Forces for Change initiative.
I have wondered recently why they felt the need to “step back” formally. Aren’t they doing the same work and still representing the queen?
They are going to stop representing the queen in an official capacity. We may see them at royal events like Ascot, garden parties, Trooping, mayyyybe the Christmas walk (I doubt that one though, at least for a long time) but they aren’t going to be accepting money from the sovereign grant and aren’t going to be working on behalf of the queen.
They STILL are technically working royals, which is why we will see them in March at official events.
They are removing themselves from the Sovereign Grant, which by reports paid about 5% of their expenses.
After March 31 they won’t be ‘working royals’ so to speak but will continue to do work for their patronages (I still don’t know how that works.) It doesn’t sound like they’ll be doing tours or opening grocery stores.
I think we will still see them at events like Becks1 said, Ascot, trooping etc, but we always see the extended ‘non working’ family at those events as well.
They still get money from Charles for their living expenses, but not the taxpayers so they don’t have to deal with the RRR.
They felt the need to step back formally because to continue to receive money from the sovereign grant would tie them into the royal rota of reporters who made it their mission (with big willy’s, et al permission and help) to destroy Meghan’s (and then Harry’s after it was clear he wasn’t going to dump his wife) reputation and anything she worked on. That was pretty much all they wanted – freedom from the vile rota system and the disgusting bigots involved therein. Well, they probably wanted to get away from family members who have been stabbing them in the back since their wedding day. It was also, reportedly, made clear to them that they wouldn’t be allow to outshine Cain and Unable – so they wouldn’t be able to accomplish as much as they clearly want to.
William trying to steal money earned by Grenfell survivors for Grenfell survivors must have been a huge wake-up call for Meghan. Rumblings about separate Households and separate foundations started as early as that fall, right after Together started raking it in.
@nota – I totally missed this Grenfell story. Exactly how was William trying to steal the money. Did he get caught with hand in the cookie jar? I would not put anything past Bill Cambridge. I would really like the enhanced Cliff’s Notes version of what went down.
The original articles about the foundation split made the point of stating the Hubb money had to be ‘ringbarked’ and protected from misuse by the rest of the Foundation. Might have been in Omid’s original tweets too.
The financials show Harry and Meghan brought in the money, W&K projects brought in no money but cost plenty. Two directors of the remaining W&K foundation quit in four months, including the man who used to be their internal budget guy. Now W&K are scrambling, with the silly yacht fiasco and stealing Meghan’s idea of fundraising nights at theatre shows. Trying to raise money since the two moneymakers – Harry and Meghan – took the charity money they earned and left.
@nota – one more for the slow older-than-dirt people such as myself.
What is the tea on the yacht fiasco? I have not heard this story either.
@BayTampaBay – Wm and Kate were invited to a big charity yacht race last summer and her boat came seventh place in the first race but was disqualified from the second race after failing to return to the starting line when they began the race too early. Her team came in last overall. I think that’s what NOTA is referring to.
I was referring to their attempt to revive the King’s Cup (when he isn’t even king) yacht race as a way to make money for their failing Foundation. No news on how much money was spent on that fiasco and how little they didn’t raise. The financials this year will be telling.
And the backlash will continue against H&M who want to live productive lives. I’m hoping Doria travels with them if Archie will be involved in the trip. No need for BRF tattlers to enter Frogmore house, simply drop off food and supplies. Hopes for a pregnancy announcement by H&M in the fall and the new baby born in North America.
oooh, Born in Canada? That would be fun! @grumpyterrier “SussexCommon” is a no go. #1, many Commonwealth countries don’t want to be anymore. #2 Common is too…..common. It packs no punch. SussexGlobal or SussexKeen have my votes (one serious and one tongue in cheek). But they have probably thought of stuff we haven’t
There is a mean little part of me that would think it hysterical if Meghan showed up to Bea’s wedding obviously pregnant – just to see Andrew explode at the news coverage being diverted.
Wearing the same outfit she wore to Bea’s, so the RRs can fume about not getting to photograph her in a new outfit.
OMG – that would be perfect!
@nota – I was thinking the exact same thing.
Oops, I meant the classic navy outfit she wore to Eugenie’s wedding. Glad you all understood anyway.
Watching Wills and Kate during the return of H&M will be fascinating. Carole will be working overtime getting Kate to copy Diana’s looks to remind the British that they still have Diana 2.0. Wills will be on the phone to Wooten nonstop, texting his insider smears, and Kate will probably just quietly have her nervous breakdown, as no media person will bother with the struggle survey while H&M are in town.
So we lose two bright, charismatic, passionate, sweet, driven, determined and charming individuals and are left to subsidise Penis-With-Teeth and Mobile-Button-and-Wiglet-Unit, and PaedoRapey Andy.
I REALLY don’t like my country at present!!!
@Andrew’sNemesis, My sincere condolences!🥺😭
Seems odd to claim that the Queen thinks a “prince of the realm marrying a black woman is the worst thing to ever happen” and that’s why they can’t use Sussex Royal, when she gave them the Sussex titles and they wanted to step back, which is why there’s a discussion about the Royal part.
Ah well.
i would really love to know Charles’ take and thoughts on all this.
Yet another new name on here questioning how Kaiser writes and her support of Meghan?
Obvious.
@nota Yeah @yanka also didn’t have a problem with the way the Windsor women smirked and rolled their eyes throughout the wedding ceremony.
@yanka, it IS odd isn’t it? Especially since the Queen has absolutely no problem supporting her sex offender son who is a known associate (personal and business) of convicted child sex trafficker. You’d think she wouldn’t mind WHAT the Sussexes did, as long as it didn’t bother the corgis.
Isn’t it funny how racism can make people absolutely crazy? I’m sure you know about that.
…and why was it they wanted to step back again? Oh, yeah. The racism and vicious attacks that were tacitly approved by the Queen (who clearly has the power to stop the crap in its tracks, but let it go on and on and on while Meghan was heavily pregnant and vulnerable).
Yes, it will be brutal. But H and M chose it, didn’t they? There is much talk about QE doing whatever she pleases but the fact is, she must follow the law as everyone else in the UK. That said, by law, royals cannot cash in on their titles or birthrights. Having followed the BRF for years, I expected this for H and M. That’s how the monarchy works. Wishing them the best, but I think “moving forward” might not be as easy as they might expect.
“That said, by law, royals cannot cash in on their titles or birthrights.”
@Angelique – Is it actually “the Law” or just Royal precedent?
See HRH The Duchess of York publishing books for personal gain before her separation and divorce from Andrew. Using HRH The Duchess of York as her author name.
See HRH Prince and Princess Michael of Kent publishing books for personal gain while sort-of working royals. Using HRH and their royal titles as their official author names, plus her outside design firm where she used her HRH and royal title.
See Beatrice and Eugenie keeping their HRH while out earning livings (in jobs most people assume they got via royal connections).
Try again, tumblr.
There was quite a bit of criticism of Fergie D of Y and her Budgie books, I recall at the time. B and E haven’t tried to use their titles/birthrights as a means for mass marketing products for income. P M of K is another matter.
See The Trade Marks Act of 1994 and Paris Convention of Protection of Industrial Property of 1883 (both pieces of legislation) . The latter was passed during Queen Victoria’s reign, so “precedence” for such activity has been around for quite some time.
Note to the new tumblr internet lawyers: UK law is unenforceable outside of the UK so quoting the section on trademark law about the word royal is meaningless.
I recall no criticism of Fergie’s childrens books, other than the fact they were low-key racist. But hey, that doesn’t appear to be a problem for the Windsors.
B&E likely owe their jobs to their HRHs, used openly, and hired because of them.
Too much logic, Nic919.
When I ask my previous question, I was not being snarky. I really want to understand this law covering HRH Royals.
If it is true that “by law, royals cannot cash in on their titles or birthrights” then why have Fergie, Andrew and The Michael Kents not been prosecuted in a UK court of law?
I am sorry but something is fishy and giving off a very strong odor.
@ BTb Enforcement of a trademark is something the alleged aggrieved party has to take steps to do. It isn’t a crime so there is no crown prosecutor pursuing the case. Therefore, the other royals not being in trouble simply means the Queen did not choose to pursue a claim against them. It is discretionary. Just like Disney can chose not to pursue all their trademark violations.
My comments about internet lawyers weren’t directed toward you, but to the numerous new handles quoting a section of UK trademark law without any clue what it means.
@Nic919: I believe Angelique is referring to article 6ter of the Paris Convention, which extends UK law restrictions on use of royal emblems etc to countries that are party to the convention.
Andrew, Fergie, Beatrice, Peter, Prince Michael of Kent, Princess Michael of Kent, Zara – stop me when I hit a nerve
There are a lot of assumptions floating around that Harry and Meghan are shilling their titles, but where is the proof in that? Why is this even a thing? Look at their work history and what they’ve done since the marriage. Look at what they did before the marriage and even before they met each other. When it comes to supporting charities and organizations, these two bring A LOT of experience to the table and bring in the funds. This whole argument is just stupid fiction. They have a track record and results of the work they have done, which gives a blueprint of the work they will do. All this nonsense about profiting off titles is a distraction. They, Harry and Meghan, ARE the brand, first and foremost. The reality is that all the increased interest in the royal family for the past few years started in October 2016. It was a snooze fest before and it’s getting sleepy in the kingdom again with them moving to Canada. The Sussexes were good for brand Royal, despite the haters and courtiers saying otherwise. Split hairs all you want over HRH and royal this and that, but the British press and the royal family had a golden goose, and they killed it. They seem to be the ones having a hard time adjusting.
it’s the twitter lunatics who think they want to shill crap with their names on it to make money. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. When they read about the trademarking of the name, all stupid hell broke loose. They conveniently ignored the fact that the cambridges – indeed, i think, all the royal foundations – also do that to simply protect the name from OTHER people cashing in on it. It was just morons on a rampage. And now they’re bringing it here.
I think the Royal Family is really scared about the huge Sussex polularity so the 12 months period. They still want the Sussex come back.
I’m still confused by the “ no precedent “ remarks. Peter Phillips, Zara Tindall, and the York princesses are all non working royals with jobs. Aren’t they the very definition of precedent?
Maybe the above mentioned did get jobs through connections but I know a lot of non-royals who get jobs because they know the right people/person. That is not unusual.
The difference is, none of them have trademarked their titles (Peter and Zara don’t have any) with the intent to mass market products for personal income.
Who on EARTH said they were going to “mass market products for personal income”??? Stop making up nonsense.
your perfect future future queen consort also trademarked her name, FYI.
Actual lies since the Cambridges did trademark their titles shortly after their marriage.
FYI only a bill of attainder can remove the Sussex title from Harry and it would have to be for something like treason. So he has it forever. The Queen cannot remove it now.
go back to twitter/tumblr with that nonsense. The cambridges trademarked their name/foundation in exactly the same way – and renewed it on the exact same day. And you would have to be a moron to actually believe that they intend to sell chachkies with their name on it. They (and all the other royals who matter) trademark their names/foundations/companies so that other people can’t use same.
W&K also trademarked their kids names iirc.
This last working Royal visit is just going to be ridiculous. I suspect Meghan has her own events but will not disclose until the very last minute. The rest of the Royals might as well just sit that week our because no one will be talking about them. The press will be crazy as hell, the courtiers will be in overdrive with leaks. William will be his usual sour self, because the Sussexes will be on the front pages again, with fiftyleven additional articles a day. Every gesture, outfit and reaction will be scrutinized and Piers will be in hateful ecstasy. It will reinforce to the Sussexes why they’re leaving that mad circus.
I want her only wearing old outfits. Don’t give the RRs more ammunition. Archie kept completely out of sight and not photographed once in the week they are here.
I hope they leave Archie in Canada with Doria.
They’d be criticized for leaving him for a week. Harry has an event on the 28th. Next event is the 5th for both of them. He could fly in and out for that, be attacked for it, but Meghan and Archie stay in Canada until the 4th. I don’t see them leaving him from the 4-10th, although he’s safer in Canada.
They’ll criticize them for anything they do. Keep his royal cuteness safe with grandma.
All this. Re-wear an outfit and leave Master Archie right where he is. Quick in, quick out, and back to working on their foundation is my recommendation.
Wasn’t there info on Vogue’s Forces of Change event being at the same time?
As much as I selfishly want tons of photos of precious baby Archie, I hope they keep him home and safe.
I think that Harry and Meghan will be the utmost professionals during this time. They will show up and do their official duties one last time, and then they will peace out until Invictus.
I think Charles will put on a grand show of being the adoring father, grandfather and father in law when they are there. (The Benevolent King) Camilla will be polite, but not “warm and welcoming.”
As for W & K, I don’t think William will be able to fake it, he’ll look like a damn sourpuss, and I think Kate will look “pleasant” — not bitchy, not effusive, she’ll definitely be like Camilla.
I think we’ll see a picture of the Queen with Harry at the very least.
As for the Yorks? They’re trash, who cares.
I also think Zara will have a smug, stink face towards Meghan but not Harry.
Anne will be Anne–neutral.
As for the Wessexes — I have no idea. Is Harry even close to Edward? I can see Sophie being gracious though and looking pleased to see them. But that’s just a guess–I don’t know much about Sophie and Edward at all. (Although, I have been love the tea that Edward is right pompous ass! He looks so bland, I didn’t think he had it in him to be such a d**k. If anyone knows more please, spill that tea!!)
I agree, Harry and Meghan will be professional, as they always are.
Sophie sure did not look “gracious” on that balcony with Meghan and Anne’s husband Tim when the wreath was being laid.
Harry and Meghan should return to the UK with their heads held high and their game faces on. They did nothing wrong and certainly not a high crime and misdeamor. The queen wants them back because she knows the BRF looks bad in all of this and people in and outside the UK are dragging the Windsors for Andrew on down.
This is all so useless and silly.
The royals are only interesting until they turn 40. Kate, Will, Meghan, and Harry are aging out fast. It is in all their best interests to end this rift fast and capitalize on their popularity before their teenage kids usurp them all.
Maybe to you, but not to everyone. One of my fav royals is Queen Margrethe II of Denmark who turns 80 this April. Writer, translator, painter, set & costume designer, fibre artist, archaeologist, intellectual.
I think previous royals have aged out of being interesting after 40 because that’s when their kids started being interesting and seen more in the public eye.
I don’t think they want her dead, just gone. Remember the “senior royal” who allegedly called her the “degree wife”, i.e. marriage lasting about 3 years the time it takes to get a degree. Well, surprise, surprise the 3 years is up next year, right around the time of the “1 year review of the current arrangement”. My tin-foil tiara theory is that they will offer Meghan a buyout at that time, tell Harry enough is enough and it’s time to come home. As for Archie, I’m sure part of their buyout offer to Meghan will be a nice place in London near Harry so he can be nearby the baby. Oh, and an NDA for Meghan to not do a book deal.
ETA: I was replying to a comment that seemed to have disappeared…..
Yikes- posts are really starting to sound sinister.
Harry and Meghan have checked out mentally and will never live in the U.K. for any serious time. Hence the shutdown of their BP office and I think even Frogmore. Archie will not be raised in England.
After one year why on earth would Harry even go back. What would be the incentive for him. A few extra patronages and opportunities to cut ribbons while under the watchful eyes of the rota? No thanks!
All I know with this upcoming trip back to the UK-The whole world will be watching how the Sussexes are treated by the royal family, the public, and the media. Everybody need to get their game faces on. As for as this one year in review-I can only hope Meghan and Harry do what is best for themselves and their child. Anybody who thinks the historical reference about this couple is going to be written someday with rosy glasses are kidding themselves. The royal family will be discussed, the public , media, and the downright evil of racist ways of all involved with this couple. I could list a thousand questions to be asked-My main one is why the royal family did not speak out against the smears directed at Meghan and Harry-I hope the royal family has an answer.
So, no Commonwealth Youth Awards? Was Harry axed immediately as an Ambassador? The awards are on the 11th, no? If so, the Queen really is one petty bit#h.