Radar releases blurred photo of Mel Gibson & Oksana’s daughter, post-beating

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Radar just released a blurred photo of Lucia Gibson, daughter of Oksana and Mel Gibson. The photo was allegedly taken right after the January 6th incident, in which Oksana claims Mel punched her twice in the face, while she was holding Lucia. I think the crux of Oksana’s argument is that one of Mel’s punches ricocheted off of her and onto the baby, or that Mel was just punching indiscriminately, not caring who he hit. The photo is here – it shows Lucia – still very, very small – with what looks like some bruising and redness around her little mouth.

This is the photograph Oksana Grigorieva is using to plead with a judge and child protective services to strip Mel Gibson of his custodial rights over their baby daughter Lucia. In a bombshell world exclusive, RadarOnline.com has obtained the photo of Lucia showing what appears to be a small abrasion on her chin after the brutal January 6 brawl, in which Oksana claims Mel punched her and hit their child, who was being held by Oksana at the time. The baby was two months old.

The image was taken in the hours after the fight and is evidence in the court battle between Mel and Oksana, as well as other ongoing investigations — civil and criminal — involving them. The Department of Children and Family Services is investigating and, as RadarOnline.com reported exclusively, will be interviewing Gibson this week.

Investigators from the agency have already interviewed Oksana and her 12-year-old son Alexander, also known as Sascha. Prominent civil rights attorney Lisa Bloom told RadarOnline.com the photo was “one more piece of evidence” to corroborate Oksana’s version of events.

“I think the evidence is very powerful,” Bloom, who has more than 20 years experience prosecuting cases of child abuse, told RadarOnline.com, after closely examining the images.

On a tape played exclusively on RadarOnline.com, Oksana alleged Mel hit Lucia when he punched her on January 6. Oksana told authorities that she was holding Lucia when Mel punched her in the mouth and then in the left temple, causing her to fall backward onto a bed. She says the Oscar-winning actor/director then put a forearm across her throat and used the palm of his free hand to cover her face, causing her to gasp, struggle and fear for her life.

“Oksana said right after the incident, she observed blood and a small abrasion on Lucia’s chin, which was not there before the incident,” said a source, who is familiar with the law enforcement investigation.

“She took photographed the abrasion that night.” Those photos are now evidence. It will now be up to a judge and law-enforcement investigators to determine who they believe.
Mel, through his lawyers, has insisted he never struck Oksana and says she is extorting him. He also says that she shook the baby and he tried to prevent her from doing that.
RadarOnline.com has been told Oksana took Lucia to a pediatrician at some point after January 6, but did not tell the pediatrician about the incident. At the time she was still in a romantic relationship with Gibson, despite the incredible turmoil.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department is investigating the situation and looking into domestic violence charges against Mel. The case will almost certainly be turned over to the District Attorney’s Office after the police investigation, and other charges may be filed or the case could be dropped. A judge is also overseeing a bitter child custody battle between the one-time couple. Mel has not lost custody rights. Oksana told authorities she taped her phone conversations with Mel because he threatened her life. In tapes played exclusively on RadarOnline.com, Mel tells Oksana that he will hit her in the side of the head with a shovel and bury her in the rose garden.

In one audio recording, Oksana leveled the shocking allegation that Mel hit her while she was holding their child. Oksana asked the disgraced actor, “What kind of a man is that… hitting a woman when she’s holding a child in her hands?”

Mel responded: “Oh, you’re all angry now! You know what, you f*cking deserved it!”

On several tapes Oksana consistently makes the accusation that Mel hit her while she was holding the baby, and that she was concerned for her baby’s safety. Mel, who rants and curses throughout the tapes, never disputes that allegation. (The tapes were not edited by RadarOnline.com and are in the possession of law enforcement.)

Bloom was shown the photo of Lucia by RadarOnline.com and the attorney told us, “The photo that I have seen of the abrasion on the baby’s chin is very disturbing. We have the photos, we have the tapes, we have to acknowledge what happened here.”

Bloom praised the Russian mother-of-two for having the foresight to take the photograph of Lucia, in the hours after the clash with Mel at his Malibu mansion.

“I think Oksana was very smart,” Bloom told RadarOnline.com. “It’s critical if you are a survivor of domestic violence to preserve the evidence. I think Mel Gibson’s in real trouble.”

Oksana presented law enforcement an unedited image of Lucia. RadarOnline.com made the decision to blur part of Lucia’s face which is not evidence.

[From Radar]

Combine this with TMZ’s story about Mel slamming 12-year-old Alexander into a table, and basically, Mel looks like the biggest piece of sh-t to ever walk the earth. Now – since I know many commenters like to analyze all of this evidence, I’d like to just give my humble opinion: I think the photo is for real, at least as far as Oksana’s claims that she was holding Lucia when Mel struck her, and that Mel might have landed a blow on Lucia. I believe this is a photo taken after the incident. Just my take.

ITAR-TASS 99: MOSCOW, RUSSIA. APRIL 19, 2010. Singer Oksana Grigoryeva, a former girlfriend of Hollywood actor Mel Gibson, reacts as she gives a press conference at the Moscow office of Komsomolskaya Pravda daily newspaper to announce her upcoming charity concert. (Photo ITAR-TASS / Alexei Filippov) Photo via Newscom

Singer Oksana Grigoryeva, a former girlfriend of Hollywood actor Mel Gibson, gives a press conference at the Moscow office of Komsomolskaya Pravda daily newspaper to announce her upcoming charity concert, in Moscow, Russia on April 20, 2010. Photo by Alexei Filippov/ABACAPRESS.COM Photo via Newscom

ITAR-TASS 101: MOSCOW, RUSSIA. APRIL 19, 2010. Singer Oksana Grigoryeva, a former girlfriend of Hollywood actor Mel Gibson, arrives for a press conference at the Moscow office of Komsomolskaya Pravda daily newspaper to announce her upcoming charity concert. (Photo ITAR-TASS / Alexei Filippov) Photo via Newscom

Lucia & Oksana, from their Hello Magazine shoot, courtesy of Celebrity-Mania.

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  1. denise says:

    Looks like a little pimple to me. When my baby was small, she had alot of little red dots on her face.

  2. zen says:

    thats a pimple on that baby

  3. Shay says:

    Jeez Radar must be inundated. I can’t access it.
    But I did find an article quoting another douche, Oliver Stone supporting Mel, being so moronic as if to say that directors will still hire Mel irrespective of what is happening. Oliver Stone, once again, fails to factor moviegoers.

  4. hanh says:

    I don’t see anything but I wouldn’t be surprised if Mel did hit the baby if Oksana was holding her. When men get abusive they don’t care who they hit. Children who rush to protect a parent often get hit as a byproduct as the violence is fast, full or rage, and indiscriminate. He wouldn’t care if he hit the baby, he would be so angry that he wanted to hit anywhere in the vicinity of Oksana.

    At least that’s my experience with abusers.

  5. denise says:

    These photos are not helping her case. To me, the photo of her teeth was’nt that convincing. There was no trauma around the mouth. I would think a punch strong enough to break your teeth, will leave you with a seriously busted lip and bruising.
    This is where Oxy loses me.

  6. happymom says:

    That’s baby acne combined with the red mouth area they get from either being mushed against the breast or the bottle.

  7. Serenity says:

    It just looks like a pimple to me. I don’t see any bruising.

  8. cowbell says:

    She’s totally losing any credibility she may have had.

    That “abrasion” is from breastfeeding and getting all sweaty and not having a person wipe her mouth dry.

  9. Jen says:

    Yes, that’s a baby zit. But I think they’re talking about the puffy, red upper lip. Honestly, I don’t know what to think about it. I’ve had three kids and all of them had some sort of redness/puffiness because that’s what babies look like. The one question I have is, why didn’t she leave him during all of this? And why hold onto the tapes for so long? Stupid.

  10. RobN says:

    That picture shows nothing. Less than nothing. Mel may be a piece of crap, but seriously, let’s stop making up crap headlines based on nothing.

  11. CathyT says:

    I don’t see anything unusual about this picture. Just a little bit of baby acne.

  12. Shay says:

    See, this is what irks me and I can see yet another terrible result from showing baby pictures on a gossip website. I can only picture Mel exploding at this point, and in this case, he’d have a point because despite all the allegations, why is there an image of Lucia on Radar?
    Who is giving these images to Radar? I’m betting Oksana is, unless there is some elaborate story about her phone being hacked, which I really doubt, but there is also the non existence of privacy as well.
    Which celebrity or girlfriend/mistress/wife of a celebrity has any privacy with domestic staff looking for a potential cash deal?
    It would be interesting to see if Radar Online receives any legal letters.

  13. bite me says:

    ocotsana might want to reconsider this pulic relation war and let the legal system handle this case…the public is very fickle babe…now get ur cash pay out and move on
    EDIT: hope she also use some of that money to go see a good therapist

  14. denise says:

    At this point Oxy is actually helping Mel’s case.

  15. pookie says:

    Sorry, that’s a pimple. There is NO bruising, swelling, anything else around it. It’s a baby pimple. I don’t understand how they are quoting someone as saying the image is hugely damning evidence of abuse?? My god, if that’s true, I have some photos of my son (the perma-boob feeder) from when he was a month or two old that will surely put me in the slammer. I better hit Photoshop! While Mel is most likely a crazed animal desperately in need of some therapy and meds, Oksana looks less credible each and every day.

  16. Schnauzers!!! says:

    Cute baby. Normal cell phone pic of a baby who either JUST got done feeding and had a good suction (and a little baby pimple).

    I still believe it’s not the end of the story and I don’t believe that Oksanna is telling the complete truth and we will be learning more, but never the entire truth. Oksanna isn’t helping her case in the least with these photos.

  17. Uzi says:

    Does anyone know what’s going on with Radaronline? I’ve been trying to access it for a couple of hours, and I get a home page from two days ago with Jeremy London as the top story. I’ve never commented on that site, so it can’t be that they’re deliberately blocking me…

  18. Pooky says:

    Surely if he hit Oksana twice before this picture was taken, they’d be swelling and bruising on HER face (make-up notwithstanding, it can’t cover swelling)?

    And young babies all look like aliens with a whole host of skin complaints.

  19. lilith says:

    Radar online is run by idiots. As many others said, the pic of the baby shows a pimple…not an abrasion or a bruise as radar online is claiming. Baby acne is very common and most babies will get a blemish from time to time. As for the Oksana’s tooth pic, looks like she pulled off her two front veneers and claimed Mel did it. If he did hit her, where’s the bruising and fat lip? I don’t doubt Mel is a douche but I find Oksana’s claims and pics very fishy.

  20. Shay says:

    Uzi, I’m having the same problem with Radar. I don’t get anything but standard web browser error report. I think they’re inundated with Mel related traffic and their server probably can’t cope. If that’s the case, one would think that they’d pay for better hosting services.
    Lillith, how on earth can people pull off veneers. It’s not like they’re made from paper. I’m betting she has porcelain veneers and they’re cemented on. It requires some force. But stranger things have happened. Still, Mel’s ‘you deserved it’ still echoes in my head. It doesn’t matter how many rationalizations people make, them an is a goddamn psycho.

  21. denise says:

    @ Uzi and Shay

    Radar probably collapsed under it’s own weight of bulls@#t.
    Mel’s camp probably shut it down, after the release of those photos.
    They had it coming, they have been numero uno in bashing Mel since the beginning and Oxy is turning out to be just as bad.(or possibly worse)

  22. audrey says:

    babies really get pimples?

  23. Pat says:

    Looks like all the paid posters are flocking to this site since they can’t infect Radar. Radar has been awesome!!!!!

  24. Marsh says:

    It doesn’t matter how long she stuck around. He is the abuser. Are the trolls suggesting that abused women should have their kids taken away? Be very careful what you say, your vile tactics could once again backfire on you.

  25. Sumodo1 says:

    Why on earth didn’t she take the 15 mil, shut up, and not destroy his career? There must have been something compelling her to keep him the fuck out of her life forever with no custody or visitation. Her attorneys apparently suck.

    If I were the judge, I’d wrap this mutha up, award her the money and property, instruct Mel that until their hearing at the same time next year, no visitation, no custody.

  26. LindaR says:

    @Audrey, yes babies get pimples, so do cats. My cat has pimples on his chin. I didn’t know about them until my vet showed me.

  27. Smooches says:

    I have no trouble with radaronline however they disabled their comments over the weekend after the fifth tape was released.

    Can’t say what’s on the baby’s face. If it’s acne I only see one blemish. If it’s a bruise Mel should be locked up along with Oksana for child abuse. She remained with Mel after he threw her son and hit her daughter. What kind of mom is she? Mel’s clealy disturbed. They are both unfit parents.

  28. pookie says:

    @Marsh: It doesn’t matter how long she stuck around. He is the abuser. Are the trolls suggesting that abused women should have their kids taken away? Be very careful what you say, your vile tactics could once again backfire on you.

    Uhm, yeah, I think people are suggesting that if the only parent around to protect her kids, is NOT protecting her kids, should not get to keep said kids. I don’t condone violence against anyone in any way, but getting smacked around and verbally terrorized does not lift you to the status of a saint who should not have to suffer any consequences of HER OWN bad decisions. It stinks that she was forced into a spot she shouldn’t have to be in, but it is what it is and she needs to put her kids safety first. She has shown that she has not done that, which is why these ‘trolls’ are so upset and questionable of her ability to parent/motive.

  29. Juiceinla says:

    Even if it cannot be proven that its a bruise from a punch, the things this man has consistently said, not just to her, but to the cops and reporters and anyone unfortunately enough to be within earshot makes it hard NOT to believe.

    Time and time again we hear his own voice and the mouth diarrhea he spews

    Anyone who says Gibson is anything other than a violently angry, frighteningly abusive, misogynistic, racist,bigamist,xenophobe has their head buried in the sand on the banks of River DeNile.

  30. Shay says:

    What’s next?
    A Mel and Oksana sex tape? The jacuzzi BJ?
    I’m expecting anything to happen. It’ll feel weird after all this stuff dies down.
    2010 has been the year of the scandal. I think Tiger Woods jinxed every celebrity.

  31. Terry says:

    The picture of the baby is really stomach wrenching. Team Mel must be really nervous. Mel trolls, YOU are helping her case. Oooh, I know, let’s call her a bad mother. Let’s say she’s just as bad. Let’s get the moms mad at her. Call it a pimple! Distract people from the real issue. Blah blah blah. He’s making himself look worse.

  32. pookie says:

    @Juiceinla: Anyone who says Gibson is anything other than a violently angry, frighteningly abusive, misogynistic, racist,bigamist,xenophobe has their head buried in the sand on the banks of River DeNile.

    I don’t think people are denying Mel’s behavior, or defending it. I think people are saying that just because he is a complete psycho, it doesn’t automatically make Oksana a saint whose own actions are beyond reproach.

  33. denise says:

    Right on Pookie.

  34. Fwoomby says:

    ROL has disabled their comment section so that is why their site appears a bit strange. I wonder what they’re (edited for typo) afraid of?

    ROL is grasping for straws and making theirselves and Oksana out to look like laughing stocks and are losing any and all credibility with the general public.

    Whilst I don’t condone Mel’s behaviour and abuse in any form, I’ve never believed for a moment that Oksana was physically abused.

  35. OXA says:

    I am appalled by Mel’s behavior and am on the side of the baby. I would not trust him with my child and I do not believe Robyn did not see any of his explosive raging.
    No amount of the Mel PR team posting will change my opinion of him.

  36. pookie says:

    Is there a second picture I am not seeing?? Seriously, all I see is a lil baby pimple and a lil red around the mouth. I didn’t see anything “really stomach wrenching” there. My kid stumbles into his walker and he looks worse than this baby who was “punched”? For real, if there is another picture, I’d like to see it. Again, I don’t love violence against women, I am not an abuser, I don’t love Mel Gibson, I am not a troll, I am not evil, nor am I an idiot. Thank you.

  37. Tia C says:

    @ Smooches: I was wondering about Radar’s comments. I just wanted to comment on what a pussy Lindsay is for crying as she entered jail yesterday, and there was nowhere to comment! Denied! Suckage.

    I agree with everyone here who says that looks like baby acne. It does. That baby looks fine to me. Oksana needs to chill with all the publicity. She is starting to hurt her own case. We all know the truth about Mel Gibson now. juiceinla summed it up best: He is a “violently angry, frighteningly abusive, misogynistic, racist, bigamist, xenophobe.” (not sure about the bigamist part, but he’s definitely the rest of it!)

  38. Jazz says:

    I can’t access Radar either.

    “Radar probably collapsed under it’s own weight of bulls@#t.”

    LOL @ denise!

  39. mr. stinky fishface says:

    Terry I take it you never had a kid? There is nothing showing ANYTHING on that baby.

  40. Terry says:

    Stomach wrenching pic of the baby.

  41. michael says:

    I’m curious to understand how a picture of a baby with nipple sucking lips and zits is damning evidence of child abuse.

  42. Riley says:

    He’s a monster.

  43. denise says:

    I’m sorry, but to me , I don’t see anything wrong with that pic of the baby. (The only heart wrenching truth, is that this baby is caught up in a very bad situation.)
    I do however see something extremely wrong with the release of these “so called abuse” pics. What kind of parent would release photos of their injured child? That should be kept private.
    Furthermore, these pics don’t prove the allegation of abuse on the baby. IF it’s a lie, that is extremely low class.

  44. Kitten says:

    Gibson trolls seem to be confused. Just because some of us are not throwing Oksana into the fire and excusing the monster that is Gibson does not mean we are elevating her to “sainthood”. It’s called EMPATHY for the VICTIM. Try it sometime.

  45. mymy says:

    Heads up. just for once walk in someone else’s shoes. Might make you more human.
    A mother does what she has to do. Period end of story

  46. Cooper says:

    Yes, team Mel. You have made it very clear OVER & OVER that you see nothing wrong with this picture. Protest much?

  47. denise says:

    Who exactly is a Gibson troll? I don’t think anyone has been defending Mel on this thread.
    I’m sorry but there is something definitely fishy with these photos. They prove nothing, and that is a vicous claim that Oxy made. If it’s a lie, she is a monster too.

    And I’m on Team Me.
    This whole story stinks.

  48. Liana says:

    If he did hit the baby, that is vile, disgusting, and the man deserves to be locked up… ALONG with his mother who took pictures of the alleged abuse in JANUARY and didn’t report it to the pediatrician or to the authorities.

    That said, God, Mel Gibson is a piece of shit, isn’t he?

  49. pookie says:

    I am not a troll. Nor am I team anyone. I am just a person who is capable of seeing things from different perspectives. Empathy is one thing, ignoring the fact that a mom put her kids in harms way is another. It’s as if this woman can do NO WRONG. And anything printed about her is gospel truth. And HONEST TO GOD, I have NO IDEA what anyone is seeing in that picture that I’m not! So basically anyone who has a differing opinion, question, or thought on this board regarding this subject is automatically a horrid evil person in league with Mel “the devil” Gibson and should go directly to hell?

    Honestly, can the folks that ‘support Oksana’ give me a valid reason why it is ok to keep kids in a house with an abusive parent? To let them get abused over and over? PLEASE tell me how that is ok as that’s the ONLY THING I have been asking. And not one person who ‘supports’ Oksana has answered that. All I get back is Pookie-bashing and accusations.

  50. Ellie says:

    “denise” you said that already many times. You’ve commented 7 times on this thread pushing the same comment. Do you get paid or something, lol

  51. denise says:

    @ Ellie

    You actually counted my comments? Pathetic.
    Do you have anything to contribute to this conversation, or are you just trying to annoy me?

  52. viper says:

    Youre all looking at the dot ( the obvious and first thing you see ) when you should be look to the left of that dot. I do see darkening at the left side of her bottom chin where as the right has none. That may very well be the brusing. Or it maybe a result of lighting. babies do bruise very easily so it’s very hard to tell with such a poor photo.

  53. hzl says:

    Looks like normal baby acne to me. My 7 week old’s mouth looks just like that.

  54. Ellie says:

    That makes #8, lol

  55. Mari says:

    Before you light you’re torches and storm the castle, let’s make sure we have all the facts, ok sisters and brothers. This whole thing is giving me a creepy witch-hunt vibe.
    Whether you feel I’m “defending” or “accusing” doesn’t matter. Let’s hold onto our pitch forks for the moment. We don’t want another Salem incident on our hands, now do we?

  56. cantbelievethis says:

    @pookie She didn’t keep the kids in that house long term. She did get out, which has protected her son but hasn’t protected her daughter. Mel still gets unsupervised time with that baby. So Oksana can’t even be there to protect her if necessary.

    It is extremely difficult to get a judge to strip custody rights. You have to have proof (like taped calls of abuse).
    My ex was/is mentally unstable. The courts didn’t see that and he got joint custody of our child. I had to let him have our child or I risked going to jail (I didn’t once and was found in contempt of court). It wasn’t until he attempted suicide while alone with our child that I could get a judge to implement supervised visitation and give me full parental rights.

    So many times a parent will stay in the relationship just so they are still in the house and able to protect the child.

  57. Syd says:

    He admitted to hitting her while holding the baby and said it was deserved. Give it up with the HIGH-larious zit babbling. You’re making Mad Mel look even more pathetic.

  58. Ellie says:

    using different name

  59. viper says:

    Okay the DOT is acne thats already been established now explain what I am seeing on the left side of her botom chin.

  60. pookie says:

    “In a bombshell world exclusive, RadarOnline.com has obtained the photo of Lucia showing what appears to be a small abrasion on her chin after the brutal January 6 brawl, in which Oksana claims Mel punched her and hit their child, who was being held by Oksana at the time.”

    Viper, Where in the article does it talk about her lips, cheeks, anything? All I see is what could be binky or boob redness on the mouth and a baby pimple. I am TRYING to see anything else, and it’s just not there. Uh-oh, wait, am I going to get comment-counted now too?

  61. denise says:

    Uh-oh, wait, am I going to get comment-counted now too?

    @ Pookie

    LOL!!
    🙂

  62. viper says:

    Wrll like I said it could be this or that. The dot looks liek acne to me but then again it could be blood. Its a very poor quality photo and as I said before it could very well be just the lighting.

  63. JustMe says:

    Gotta agree with the baby acne. Most moms out there have pics that their kids look just like this, which means I don’t need this b*tch trying to convince everyone that this baby is abused to further her golddigger claims, because that might mean someone will take a look at old pictures of my daughter and accuse me of abusing her.

    You know what? I was kind of neutral about this whole situation, but because of this picture and the story surrounding her son, I am completely convinced that Oksana is nothing but golddigging scum and really needs her kids taken away from her. I don’t think Mel hit her or the kids, I think she took a mean drunk and made tapes of him being his ***hole drunk self, placed appropriate hints that she was abused, and then told Mel if she didn’t get the money, she was going to ruin him. Unfortunately for her, Mel doesn’t, and never has, given a crap what anyone says about him, and he’s more than willing to fight in public.

    I find it really interesting this concerned *mother* allowed both her son and daughter to be hit and did nothing about it until several months later when all of a sudden it would make more sense for her financially to finally let everyone know what ‘really’ happened.

    Hmmm….

  64. Ellie says:

    Really struck a nerve of truth, huh minions, lol . Y’all are really nervous about this disturbing photo. You can go back to yammering at each other now. Seems to be your job or something

  65. pookie says:

    @cantbelievet – THANK YOU! A simple sane response to a simple sane question. Firstly, I am sorry you had to go through such an ordeal. Glad you were finally able to win the battle and best to you and your family.

    The problem I have, and I *could be wrong* (we all could, tapes aside, we are basing a lot of assumptions on tabloid journalism!!!) – there was no immediate call to the police or child services after Mel did any of these things to her, the baby or her son. She stayed for months after all of these events. It was only until she got the $15M that she left, if I understand it correctly. And then she revoked her part of the deal or something? I don’t know much about that, all I saw was that there was a pretty significant amount of time that went between the abuse and her reporting it. Maybe it’s just me, being the super-ferocious mama bear that I am, but if you hit my kid, we’d be out of the house calling the cops on the way to a hotel. Because Oksana, for whatever reason, didn’t report this at the time, all she has are photos of her daughter with what may or may not be a pimple. See, yeah, I still just don’t get it. She could have done more at the right times if you ask me.

  66. Crash2GO2 says:

    I don’t think anyone is trying to suggest that she is attempting to pass a pimple off as injury due to a blow.

    I see redness around her upper lip and some blue shadowing in the chin area. Neither is definitive proof of anything, unfortunately, but if the incident did indeed occur as Oksana says, Mel concurs, and Sasha witnessed, it is entirely possible the baby was struck and we are looking at some bruising in the chin area.

  67. Marsh says:

    “pookie” so your argument is that Mel Gibson assaulted her and the baby, and because she didn’t get out at the exact moment you decree (how do you even know when she got out), that custody should go to the abuser. You are clearly invested in him getting custody of the child. You fool no one. Your exaggerated rantings about not making her a saint further show that. If you have to resort to exaggerations and putting words in people’s mouths, you show your lack of argument. You are way too emotional and involved in this. It’s true, you and the other one (maybe you’re the same person) post an excessive amount and you say the same whacked out rambling thing and you are waaaay too emotional. You fool no one. The more you post and repeat, the more questionable you are

  68. denise says:

    @ Ellie

    Please stop lurking, because that seems to be your job.
    Why would we be nervous about a photo that does’nt affect our life in either way? Get a clue please, til then keep it moving.

    Post 10, ( I think)

  69. Kitten says:

    @ Crash-Second this!

  70. TaylorB says:

    Out of curiosity, food for thought… if someone said to you ‘you hit me while I was holding our baby’ and you were in fact innocent, would your reaction be A.) ‘You deserved it!’ with no denial or B.) ‘The hell I did, WTF are you talking about?’.

    He did not deny smacking her while she was holding the baby. That is basically an admission of guilt. She is a homewrecking tramp, but that doesn’t mean she deserves to be verbally or physically abused and if anyone listens to those tapes and doesn’t consider that verbal abuse… well I don’t know what to say about that except I am sorry, if anyone considers that an acceptable way to speak to another person, especially someone you love/d even if you are angry, that is really very sad.

  71. Delta Juliet says:

    Yeah, if you look at some of the other pictures, you can see a bluish “mark” on her chin.

    I already think he’s a piece of shit just from hearing those tapes. If he laid a finger on that tiny baby…well, I don’t know. What’s worse than a piece of shit?

  72. Sassy says:

    Mel’s a piece of sh*t, yes.

    However, all I see on the photo of the baby is a pimple and redness from a pacifier, boob, or bottle.

    AND – let’s say the photo IS real (as in the baby was hit) why would any parent want to show that publicly? I don’t get the purpose of that considering it’s now been established that Mel is in desperate need of help/therapy/jail – why put your baby’s “abuse” photo out there, which will be on the interweebs FOREVER.

    The only people that would need to see the photo are child-protective services, the lawyers and police.

  73. TaylorB says:

    Is that photo is blurry as hell or is my computer even crappier than I thought?

  74. nnn says:

    #71

    What’s worse than a piece of shit?
    ———————————-
    Diarrhea ?
    .
    Jocking aside, i agree 100 % with you !

  75. brenda says:

    Am I missing something? I don’t see anything on the baby’s face. What’s more, this makes me question her claims. She does not look like a woman who practically had her teeth knocked out only hours earlier. She needs to stop with the BS.

  76. My take – first of all I was completely on the side of “NEVER HIT A GIRL” but then this woman seems so shady and it gets to where I don’t know what to believe. Did he? Didn’t he? I really don’t know.
    What I do know: when my daughter was very, very young her bottle (birth complications prevented me from breast feeding, before I get an ear full) would leave a red, hicky looking mark around her lips, mostly her top, for an hour or so after feedings. Sadly I also know what it looks like when a child that small is hit both directly and indirectly, due to working in the medical field. Usually a baby that small would have a REALLY wretched mark, not some red or some bruising. A LOT. That photo does not look – to me – like a child who was struck.
    This is where this woman starts losing me, when things seem like they were bad enough but she wants them worse. Maybe she thinks worse = full custody and full custody = more money?
    Sad, sad all around.

  77. Squirtle says:

    I cannot wait for the truth to come out about this situation so everyone can stop with their ridiculous speculations and accusations of BOTH Mel & Oksana!! No one knows for certain what happened and it’s obvious that the media is milking this for everything its worth! I am really disgusted with Radar online for trying to use shock photos of the baby to make a profit. I hope the one good thing that comes out of this is that there are some restrictions placed on what the media can release to the public in the middle of an investigation. I think we can all agree that these supposed “leaked” photo’s and audio recordings do nothing to help anyone involved in this scandal!

  78. Crash2GO2 says:

    @cantbelievethis: (I think that is your handle, I can’t see your whole name, sorry). Your story really brought up a good point, and one I have thought about since we’ve heard that Oksana lost that first round in custody court. Oksana has to let her tiny baby daughter go SPEND THE NIGHT with this crazy angry drunk mad man, who very likely nearly killed her. How sick must that make her feel? No wonder many women stay in terrible relationships for the very reason you explained: So that they can be there to protect the child. I cannot imagine what you and your child have been through. Thank you for sharing that experience.

  79. TaylorB says:

    Brenda,

    You have to click on the Radar link for the photo they are talking about, not the photo at the top of this page. I made the same mistake at first.

  80. Kitten says:

    @TaylorB-PRECISELY. All the vitriol that people throw at Oksana can’t erase those tapes.

  81. mollination says:

    Listen, the audio tapes don’t lie so I wouldn’t be suprised at all if every little bit of this turned out to be true.

    But I have to say I have serious questions about Oksana – she reeks of opportunism and I am *not* saying she deserves to be hit, so if anyone else is reading this comment don’t twist my words. I am saying that I think Oksana is dumb like a fox and knew what she was doing the whole time.

  82. Uzi says:

    I wish I could get in on the baby pimple debate but I STILL can’t get on Radaronline. Enough with Jeremy London already; I never heard of him until he got kidnapped! Does anyone know if the photo can be seen anywhere else?

    @Pookie…HANG IN THERE!

    Gotta go…time to cash that “troll money” check Team Mel paid me for posting on Celebitchy!

  83. cantbelievethis says:

    @Crash2Go2-Thanks. I just don’t get why people say she should’ve left to protect the kids. Leaving could be even worse for the baby. Best thing she did was make the tapes public so Gibson is under scrutiny and will watch his step.

    @pookie-sometimes its hard to know what to do in those situations when you are actually in them. And she did leave, she rejected the $15M deal and she did the smart thing in collecting proof of his abuse. I honestly don’t think this woman is an angel, however Mel is the one who hit and was emotionally abusive. He deserves jail.

  84. pookie says:

    #Response to Marsh:

    pookie” so your argument is that Mel Gibson assaulted her and the baby, and because she didn’t get out at the exact moment you decree (how do you even know when she got out), – No, not my argument (I don’t KNOW that he assaulted anyone), and it’s not about ‘an exact moment that I decree’, she waited MONTHS.

    “that custody should go to the abuser. You are clearly invested in him getting custody of the child” – Absolutely not, I’ve said it before, NEITHER of them should get custody as they are both nuts and dangerous. Him if he abused any of his family, and her for not doing anything about it!

    “You fool no one. Your exaggerated rantings about not making her a saint further show that.” – Who am I trying to fool??? I am just a chick reading the never-ending crapstorm and throwing in my two cents like everyone else!

    “If you have to resort to exaggerations and putting words in people’s mouths, you show your lack of argument. You are way too emotional and involved in this.” – What am I exaggerating or putting words in people’s mouths? EVERYONE here is way too emotional.

    “It’s true, you and the other one (maybe you’re the same person) post an excessive amount and you say the same whacked out rambling thing and you are waaaay too emotional. You fool no one. The more you post and repeat, the more questionable you are” – Nope, not a double-poster. Just Pookie. And the voices in my head! I have to keep posting to respond to this kind of senseless attack. What’s questionable? You think I am a freakin friend of the Gibson family? I am sitting in my cube at work, bored off my rear end because we are all getting laid off soon and don’t have jack to do. So I cruise around on the internet and see stuff and post comments here and there. This is a particularly strange board w/ the amount of witch-hunt attitude and vehemence coming from complete strangers who have nothing vested in any of this. I am just a curious and bored American posting my opinion, as is everyone else. I swear, if people got this involved and excitable over anything that mattered (myself included), the world could really change. I think I will go write a letter to my Alderman now about those stinkin potholes at the end of my block!!

  85. pookie says:

    @Uzi – Gotta go…time to cash that “troll money” check Team Mel paid me for posting on Celebitchy!

    BWAHAHAHAHA!!! That was awesome. Thanks, I needed a laugh!

  86. denise says:

    Team Pookie!!!

    🙂

    So sorry you’re about to be laid off. All this Hollywood crap really takes away our attention from the REAL problems in the world. Sigh.
    Sometimes we do need, escapism.
    Hope everything works out for you and your colleagues. God Bless.

    And that would be post 11 😉

  87. Kitten says:

    @ cantbelieve: “I just don’t get why people say she should’ve left to protect the kids.”
    Because people are simple and think everything is black and white. Because it’s easier to believe that she should have just “gotten out”. Because it’s easier to condemn a woman then to try to put yourself in her shoes.
    (I know it was a rhetorical question but I just had to add that as an extension of your post 🙂 )

    @ Pookie-you shouldn’t have to feel like people are going to jump all over you for voicing your opinion. Just understand that the underlying issue of domestic violence is a heated one and people are going to get riled up. You know from my previous posts that I’m not trying to get into a war of words with other posters. I just feel really strongly about my opinion as I’m sure you do about yours. On a side-note, sorry for the news about your job. Ugh, f’n economy 🙁

  88. TaylorB says:

    Pookie wrote: “I think I will go write a letter to my Alderman now about those stinkin potholes at the end of my block!!”

    Could you post a generic copy of that letter so I can send it to EVERYONE? My g*d you could lose a car in the potholes on my street. Every day it is pothole dodging on the way to work, it looks like people are drunk driving with all the swerving to avoid blowing a tire.

  89. daisy424 says:

    I looks like baby acne to me.
    ALL of my children had it.

  90. pookie says:

    Yeah, the economy is a stinker! Thanks for the condolences Kitten & Denise, but I am actually kind of glad about the lay-off. Getting a severance so it’ll be a paid break for a while. Get to spend some time with hubby n son (14 mos old TODAY!), so it’ll be a nice change. Right now, I get about three hours a night with the boy. sniff sniff At least I get super splashtastic bath time! 🙂

    Yeah, I know it’s a heated topic, and I really don’t think anyone has said “hit her again Ike!” (haha?) at least I have not- but it just seems that comments are misread and people throw their own emotion onto stuff fast. I dunno, I am a board newbie, so some of this has been very strange. But yeah, for me, it’s not so much about the man hitting woman stuff, it’s just about those kids. I am FIERCE about protecting kids, and yeah, I can’t say what I would do in that exact situation. Granted. But as we all like to wonder and question, I just can’t help but think a good mom calls the cops after their kid is assaulted. Maybe there is some kind of reasoning I can’t POSSIBLY understand, but I am hard pressed to think of what that could be. Anyway, it’s a media circus, so it’s hard to know what’s the what, just would enjoy being able to throw ideas/questions out without so much fear of reprisal for being a free-thinkin chick. I DO feel strongly about my opinions (being an Irish-Sicilian is just a dangerous combo), as should others, but yeah, we could all stand to tone it down a tad and keep it more civil. I think it’s all the “you have a different opinion/question/thought therefore you love abusers and work for Mel Gibson!” that is driving me insane here! Too much hate coming from people who are supposed to hate people that hate. Pookie confused.

    I leave with one of my favorite lines of one of my favorite tunes:
    If you hear the song I sing, you must understand, you hold the key to love and fear…all in your tremblin’ hand…just one key unlocks them both, it’s there at your command.

  91. Madison says:

    If Mel had slammed my son against a table I would have told him never to come back, the safety of my children would come first. I find Oxsana’s actions in all of this questionable. Team neither. Throw both of them on a deserted island and leave them there to rot.

  92. TaylorB says:

    daisy424,

    How can you even tell? That pic is so crappy at least on my ‘puter it might as well be ET. People keep saying that they see a zit and others that they see a bruise, I can’t determine either way. Maybe I am seeing a very fuzzy version of the pic. Perhaps there is a better version somewhere that I haven’t seen. But from the one I have I can’t imagine that anyone can tell one way or the other.

    Not to mention, I would like to know who the hell had the nerve to release pictures of a baby involved in an ongoing abuse complaint online? It is a BABY! That should be private between the courts and the parents. What is this world coming to? Mel is an abusive jerk, Oksana (sp??) is no angel either, but they and their collective PR minions need to leave those kids out of this mess when it comes to the public stuff.

  93. flourpot says:

    What’s up with the absolute crap quality of radar’s pics? I’ve never gone there before the whole Mel debacle. Is it normally like that? … sketchy.

  94. bagladey says:

    That baby appears to have a “baby pimple” on her chin and her mouth looks like it was just pressed against either a bottle or a breast. Oksana seems to have been working up this scheme for a while.

  95. Brittney says:

    The only thing that makes me sicker to my stomach than this story is the response it’s getting.

    I can’t believe this is how people think in the 21st century.

  96. buckley says:

    I would have taped those conversations too.
    Just like he says in one of those tapes: “no one will believe you”…

  97. jane16 says:

    I teach photography. Photos can be funny things and often make a flaw looks less bad than it really is, so I wouldn’t be too quick to judge the pic. I fell down a flight of concrete steps a couple of years ago & my hubby took pix of my messed up face. We were both amazed at how much less the damage looked in real life than in the pix. And I can tell you guys from personal experience that a lot of the celebs you drool over have a lot of flaws in person that you will never see in a pic & thats taking photoshop into account. I personally find it impossible to say the roundish spot on the chin is a baby pimple. Could be, or could be an irritated spot. The upper lip area looks red and swollen. Could be a bad rash, or maybe mg’s arm or hand swept past it as he was taking a swipe at the mom. Some of you think thats from feeding. My kids never looked like that after feeding. This pic is low light and low res, and could likely have been taken by someone with less than a steady hand. Besides, human nature being what it is, people will see what they want in any photo. The fact is, mel didn’t deny hitting her. That’s the main point I’m taking from this, despite the story fatigue I may have from radar’s dragging it out this way (bad idea, i think).

  98. Squirtle says:

    Team Pookie!!!

  99. jane16 says:

    OOOPSS! Error in my post above. Meant to say hubby & I were surprised that the damage to my face looked less bad on the pic than it did in real life, not that it looked worse on the photo! Sorry! I am so dyslexic!

  100. jane16 says:

    TMZ is now reporting that the L.A. Cty Sheriffs Dept is investigating Mels charge of extortion. (that she is just trying to extort him) So, for those of you that don’t live here, let me say that the L.A. Cty Sheriff Dept, especially the station at Lost Hills in Calabasas (which is the station that often deals in stuff related to celebs) is known as The-Sheriffs-to-the-Stars! becuz they are believed to favor celebs and give them special treatment whenever possible. Gibson has already been given special treatment by them.

  101. GatsbyGal says:

    @Brittney – I know, right? I can’t believe there are actually women who are still supporting Mel.

  102. TaylorB says:

    jane16,

    I know what you mean, we often have to photograph dog/cat bites for our records and they always look much worse in person than in the photos. We just had a tech that was bit in the face and in the photo it looked like nothing, in reality he had 26 stitches, swelling, puncture wounds, two broken teeth, etc.

    As for this pic, to me at least, it is far too blurry to tell anything.

  103. jane16 says:

    Also, TMZ reported that mel’s wife robyn is “well respected in the Hollywood community”. As a wife in the “hollywood community”, I can tell you I have never heard anyone say they respected her. Felt sorry for her, yes. Wondered why she put up with mels sh*t for so many years, yes. That doesn’t add up to respect in my book, and now everyone sees her as an enabler, and everyone I know has a mel gibson story to tell, about how he was a jerk to them, or one of their friends or family members. So take tmz with a grain of salt, folks.

  104. cantbelievethis says:

    @pookie-What if your DH hit your 14 month old but there wasn’t obvious evidence (I have 4 kids, once they start walking they tend to get bruises from falling/climbing, etc). So, your 14 month old has a bruise you know it is from your DH, but there is no “proof”. You call the cops but again no proof. So you leave your DH and the court rules on temporary custody (innocent until proven guilty), your DH will get daytime visits and 1 overnight a week. How are you going to feel then when your 14 month old is ALONE in a house with your DH that you know hit him?
    The first thing your DH is going to say is that you made up him hitting the baby (14 months is a baby to me:) ). He’s going to you did it to get back at him and you just want to use the child as a pawn in the divorce. If he has a lawyer this is what they will advise him to say.
    The court is going to have someone evualate both you and your DH over the custody dispute. This can take up to a year or longer in some places (where I got divorced it would’ve been 18 months). Then add into this if you aren’t working how are you going to afford the lawyer all this is going to take, etc.

    Please don’t think I am attacking you. I admire that you are standing up for what you believe and I agree if someone hit one of my kids I’d do something. I’m just playing devil’s advocate and pointing out a few things about how things can work and why someone might stay. I do agree that Oksana should’ve called the cops when he knocked out her veneer, although I can also sort of see why she didn’t.

    (I’m obviously not saying your DH would ever do that but using an example of how things could go.)

  105. angelika says:

    @Uzi Though we are on different sides of the river i should admit u have a hilarious sence of a humor..You are very respectful opponent..
    Baby’s chin looks bit greenish to me,but not sure what to say,radaronline is overdoing this..Oksana should not agree to post her daughter’s picture..Since she is so tiny..MG is a bad bad man,we got it,no need to go further..I dont know why,but the pic looks creepy to me and it is going to haunt me tonight

  106. Kim says:

    It seems the people who saw the baby physically after the incident saw marks on her that werent just baby acne etc. To us it looks like a baby zit but in person it could have looked way diff/worse.

  107. ashleighlauren says:

    @Marsh, I’m not suggesting. I’m saying straight-up that if she were poor and not famous, her kid would be gone. I work in child welfare, and we remove kids from situations like this. And we should. I cannot count the number of cases I’ve seen of kids who have been injured because they’ve gotten in the middle of the argument.

    The picture of Lucia looks like a pimple to me. However, none of the tapes have Mel denying that he hit Oksana with Lucia in her hands. So maybe he hasn’t injured the baby yet, but it is not an unlikely scenario at this point.

  108. Debbie says:

    Uzi, and others For once it’s nice to hear people starting to doubt Oksana storys.

    If She claims the incident with her son last year, Why did she stay around ? as other people witnessed the alleged incident, whom where there tell a different story.

    Regarding these pis’s of Lucia Her story dose not add up, She claims to have had the baby ,holding her while been thrown on the bed and strangled.

    Well if this was the case Lucia’s injury’s would have been much more severe, with Mel supposedly lying on top of them both,

    Interersting fact though according to the source whom leaked this story said dhe took the baby to a doctor BUT never said anything about the supposed injury and how it happened.

    I have seen the pic’s and by the way radoronline headed the story I was expecting to actually see bruising, I agree with plenty of other people here These Pic’s will end up helping Mel if anything.

    You have to question why radoronline is dragging out this story, and any way concerning Mel still seeing his daughter The Judge whom I believe was a prosecutor in child abuse cases before coming a judge had no trouble in letting Mel still see his daughter. If there was a hint of danger and abuse against this baby It’s simple Mel would not be allowed to see his daughter.

    As some of you have already pointed out and agree totally with you. It’s the lack of police involvement in this, No calls to the said incident when it happened. No Medical proof from the doctor at the hospital regarding the said injury against the baby.

    And you have to ask yourself why did she have no problem in letting Mel have custody until Fathers Day.

    Something has NEVER been right with this story for a long time, and I for one believe in her constantly going to the tabloids to release unsubstantiated
    claims is going to be the undoing of her.

    As pointed out earlier It should have been dealt with when/if happened at the time.

    Debbie

  109. MARY says:

    Mel has certainly shot his career in the azz. You wonder why Oksana would wait with the evidence she had unless she was setting Mel up for a big payday. Sell the tapes and photos to Radar on Line, who release them one at a time. Radar backs her trying to bait Mel for a comment. TMZ seems to give facts that counter Radar. Photo of baby, is it a pimple or injury? If is an injury, did Mel do it? Or is this a big extortion plot?

  110. karmacoma says:

    Brittney and GatsbyGal: I agree completely. I read these comments off and on throughout the day, and literally felt myself getting sick to my stomach. A good friend of mine who was verbally and physically abused by her bf for years cannot even read the comments about the Mel/Oksana stories because they are extremely upsetting to her.

    It’s very upsetting to me that so many women on this site and other sites seem to have such little awareness about domestic violence and emotional abuse. I just can’t even fathom the idea of my father talking to my mother like that, or any man in my life speaking to me like that. Mel’s verbal abuse is just that- ABUSE. And while it’s very easy to cast stones when you aren’t in that situation, and to say that you personally would get out immediately, it’s quite a different story when you have a child with someone, and you loved that man at one time. I’m sure that Oksana knows a side of Mel that is tender and caring and loving, and it’s hard for many, many women to let go of that side, even when faced with extreme verbal abuse or physical abuse.

    I don’t know whether Oksana is 100 percent telling the truth, or 100 percent has pure and innocent motives. However, the fact remains that Mel did not deny that he hit Oksana!!! Think about it- if someone said to you “You hit me when I was holding our child,” and you did not actually do that, wouldn’t your response immediately be something along the lines of “What the hell are you talking about? I never hit you!” Mel didn’t deny it, but just kept yelling. And if I remember correctly, in the first tape he admitted he hit her when he said “you deserved it.”

    So to me, since Mel essentially admitted that he hit Oksana when she was holding the baby, is it really that far-fetched that this photo relates to that injury? And even if it later comes out that the photo is a fake… I just don’t care. Mel still admitted what he did, and he still verbally abused the hell out of Oksana.

    My opinion, for what it’s worth, is that Mel is an emotional and physical abuser. And this country needs serious education about domestic violence.

  111. My2Cents says:

    I have held back from commenting on this story as something just doesn’t add up to me. The more the woman releases to the media the more scummy I think SHE is. I do think he hit her, which is wrong but I have a feeling she has baited him and set him up. How sad.

  112. jane16 says:

    Debbie, are you a paid hack or something? You can’t possibly be that immature, or ridiculous. I suggest you start doing research on battered women, stat. Battered women, or verbally abused women, will stay with their abuser for years, or even a lifetime. They rarely call the police. Usually, if the police are called, a neighbor has called them. Oksana, after putting up with mels shit, was smart enough to document his behavior, knowing well she could end up being the next Nicole Simpson. This came out in the open when she asked for a restraining order and then mel asked for one, and the issue of visitation and child support came up. Mels flacks started in with their trashing of the woman, ably abetted by those women lovers at tmz, and then oksana one upped them all with her tapes and other evidence (dentist, etc). What’s not to understand?

  113. pookie says:

    @cantbelieve – Were my hubby to ever lay a hand on my son – I have three brothers, one of which is a fireman/paramedic, two fathers, and several uncles that are cops. I think with that kind of backup, we could make it so my husband had an ‘accident’ and is sleeping with the fishes. 🙂

    I get playing devil’s advocate, which I am a fan of and appreciate your conflict-free discussion! But I still think your first gut instinct is going to be to get the police involved asap. Now, to play daughter of the devil’s advocate, let’s ponder this: She doesn’t contact the police until much later, after she and her children have endured more abuse. After he essentially tries to bribe her with $15M in hush money contracts (and she thankfully rescinded), she ends up turning over everything to tabloids and cops alike, basically starting a war. He is now exposed to everyone as a monster (most likely rightfully so), and his career, his pride, his whole life really, are crushed. Obliterated. He is a pariah. He could be looking at serious jail time if any of this is proven true. He is highly unstable and an extreme alcoholic. He is clearly hanging on by a thread and already feels incredibly threatened, manipulated, used and cheated. He is at the end of the road and has lost everything. Now stop and think – what exactly does he have to lose by NOT harming her? A lot of people have the opinion that it was smart to trick him like this, to put all of his dirty laundry into the public eye, but really, if he is as insane as everyone says, won’t this pretty much put him directly over the edge? I would be more scared of him at that point than I would have been had I kept it between family and law enforcement. And to say that everyone will know he did it if something happens to her – do we all recall how the OJ verdict went, right? She has the same evidence of abuse whether it’s shown only to law enforcement at the time of the offense, or whether it’s plastered all over the internet. So I still don’t see how any of this is smart or safe maneuvering when it comes to the safety of her and her kids. I could be completely wrong, but just another view point on the other view point. 🙂

  114. jane16 says:

    I’m beginning to doubt if “debbie” is even a woman. Sounds like a guy and paid flack or troll, at that.

    Moderator, can you please free my other comment? Thanks!

  115. jane16 says:

    To the expert @ post 107 (name is too long), your claim is so ridiculous, it would be laughable if the reality weren’t so tragic. The truth is that many, many children are left in dysfunctional and/or abusive homes. There aren’t enough foster homes for them all. I know of one case particularly, where every member of my family has reported abuse of the mother and her boyfriend for years…and the children are still with the mother.

  116. jane16 says:

    The pro mel comments on this thread are so over the top, I have no doubt that the blind about paid flacks trolling the websites posting for mel are true.

  117. My2Cents says:

    I just dont know with this story so Im not commenting ever again. The whole thing is just sad for all concerned.
    I hope I am wrong in feeling like she has baited him. I really do.

  118. Laney says:

    Uh Mytwocents: WTF?!

    What exactly do you mean by saying that yeah, he hit her but he was baited?

    Give me a break. Blame the victim much? I don’t care if this woman is the biggest bitch to ever walk the earth. That doesn’t give him the right to hit her, and it cannot be excused by saying she “baited” him. In the tapes he basically said that he would kill her, but that she had to blow him first. Classy guy, eh? I hear everyone say how she used him for his money, fame, etc, but not one word about how he’s clearly using HER for sex.

  119. Uzi says:

    @angelika…

    “@Uzi Though we are on different sides of the river i should admit u have a hilarious sence of a humor..You are very respectful opponent..”

    Thank you, especially for using the word “RESPECTFUL.” I’ve been commenting on CB for a little over a year, mostly on Mel/Oksana posts. Us “Mel/Oksana regulars” got into some heated discussions; one that stands out was about religion/Catholicism/the private church that Mel built. BUT WE ALWAYS RESPECTED EACH OTHER AND KEPT THE DEBATE CIVIL!

    To “jane16” and others on Team Oksana: I realize that domestic violence is a “hot button” issue, but this is an entertainment gossip site. We don’t all agree and that’s okay. Please be RESPECTFUL of people who don’t agree with you. And by the way, if I’m being paid to post for Mel then Team Mel should ask for their money back; if you go to the CB archives you’ll see I’ve made many negative comments about him and his relationship with Oksana over the past year.

  120. original kate says:

    “We don’t want another Salem incident on our hands, now do we?”

    @ #55: great analogy…except the people who were hanged as witches in salem did nothing wrong. it was a story made up by young girls who wanted to wield some power and get some attention in a time when they were invisible in society. furthermore, they accused people with no proof; mel, on the other hand, has admitted to hitting his girlfriend, threatened to kill her and heaped verbal & emotional abuse on her (and evidently her son, also). it is all on tape. he needs to be held accountable for his actions, that is all. not exactly a “witch hunt.”

  121. Liana says:

    you know, doubting the veracity of ALL of Oksana’s claims is not the same thing as supporting Mel Gibson. I think there’s something shady going on with Oksana, but I also believe that Mel Gibson is an abusive douchenozzle. I’ve been around H-wood long enough to have heard the stories of Gibson’s temper to not discount most if not all of what Oksana claims occurred (that means that I believe the vast majority of what she claims). But that doesn’t mean that I don’t question some of her actions. And my questioning does not put me on Team Mel or on Mel’s payroll. It puts me on Team WTF is REALLY Going on Here?

  122. ERM says:

    Again, just because we question the veracity and motives of Oksana does not mean = Mel supporters. There has always been something off with this story. Instead of intially going to the police she opted to enter into negotiations for money AND that makes her actions suspect. He is a verbally abusive drunk and I lost interest in him during his last tirade with the police but that does not make him physically abusive. Women and men make false allegations all of the time.

  123. gg says:

    That does not look like the baby was struck. It looks like a baby pimple. I think they’re both nuts.

  124. Liana says:

    I don’t doubt the truth of the abuse. I think it happened. I don’t think there’s a thing on those tapes that didn’t occur. I think he more than likely HAS hit her, and not just the one time. What I question is that Oksana clearly had a support system that would protect her in leaving Mel and gathering the evidence necessary to fight for custody. Her son has a father living nearby. Why wouldn’t she have sent him to stay with his father after he witnessed the attack? And why the 6 month wait between the January 6 abuse and getting a restraining order? I question her choices, not the truth of what happened. And I think that Gibson needs to be held accountable for what he has done.

  125. Whatever says:

    I agree that doubting Oksana is not defending Mel. I see nothing in this picture, like many others. Is she seriously still trying to pretend she is not the one releasing this library of crap? She must think Americans are stupid! Mel may be a douche, but if she waited six months to report abuse on BOTH her children, she is negligent and the authorities should investigate both of them.

  126. Danny says:

    Wow, the case against Mel Gibson must be getting stronger judging from the increased onslaught of shrieking Mel defender(s.) They must be really worried about the baby bruising. They must also be really worried about the thoughtful independent thinking that was going on at this site, and want to TMZ-ify things. Mel Gibson keeps spreading the joy. The tapes are straightforward and a judge who allows this man custody of the baby would be questionable. Don’t let any paid posters flip the script and shift focus off of him with irrelevant crazy rants about provocation and gold digging.

  127. Nicky says:

    He admitted to hitting her while she held the baby. The more his minions holler and carry on about zits, the worse he looks. End of story.

  128. Ellie says:

    Oooh, clever comment @Denise, just repeating my comments to you back to me. Are you five? Can you think for yourself? Apparently not as it seems you comment from a script. Lovin how my comments touched the nerve of truth. Either you’re off the day shift now, or posting under another name.

  129. Marsh says:

    @ashleighlauren, my comment was to “pookie” Are you “ashleighlauren” AND pookie? Interesting. As for the child being pulled, the child wouldn’t be pulled because the mother is a victim of abuse. The child might be pulled because of the abuser father, but even that’s dubious. Especially as this father is rich and famous. The mother is not. Get your info straight.

  130. Pat says:

    Ha, “denise” got called to the carpet. Her over the top Mel-defending and redundancy = tedious & ignorant

  131. “you know, doubting the veracity of ALL of Oksana’s claims is not the same thing as supporting Mel Gibson. I think there’s something shady going on with Oksana, but I also believe that Mel Gibson is an abusive douchenozzle. I’ve been around H-wood long enough to have heard the stories of Gibson’s temper to not discount most if not all of what Oksana claims occurred (that means that I believe the vast majority of what she claims). But that doesn’t mean that I don’t question some of her actions. And my questioning does not put me on Team Mel or on Mel’s payroll. It puts me on Team WTF is REALLY Going on Here?”–Liana

    Amen to that!! =D

    Uzi, you got your check, too?!… Shopping!!! JK =P

  132. pookie says:

    Team Uzi!

    One and only pookie here! Sorry, no double-posting using various names. Just the Notorious P.O.O.K.

    Ok, it’s late, that was funnier in my head. Seriously, CALM DOWN folks. Yes, it’s a hot topic, but no need to go to bashing, name-calling and general pissy attitudes.

  133. cantbelievethis says:

    @pookie-Very good points! Although I do think Mel is concerned enough with his ‘public image’ that he will go about ruining her reputation to clear himself. I hope he doesn’t go after her or the child. That would be awful.

    I will say that I do fault Oksana in not getting her son out of that situation. He could’ve gone to his father or a friend. Just out of that house. My mom stood by while her DH hit us until CPS took us away. In her case there was no reason for her not to get out. They didn’t have kids together, he wasn’t hitting or threatening her and at the very least she should have protected us (it wasn’t like he had any custody rights).

  134. My2Cents says:

    Laney – I think its terrible what he has done but something does not sit right with me. You can have your opinion and I can have mine. I am not saying he is a saint or anything like that on the contray I think he is a dog for hitting a woman but something is not right with her.
    If he hurt her son what kind of mother would allow the abuser to live in the same house as him or not report him to the authorities when it happened? Why are the other people who witness Mel hurting the boy speak up? Why is she revealing all of this to the tabloids?
    Like I said, I dont know. Its so wrong on so many levels.

  135. pookie says:

    Oh, and Marsh, you need to get your info straight. I am not saying the kids should be taken away because their mother was hurt, I am saying they should be taken away (from BOTH parents) because she claims the father abused the children as well and did (seemingly) nothing about it at the time. It’s absolutely her obligation to do something to protect her kids.

    @cantbelieve – holy lord, I am SO sorry! What a terrible ordeal for you to have gone through – I am sure this case strikes a hard chord with you. 🙁 And that’s a really good point, the son at least could have been removed from the situation.

  136. Crash2GO2 says:

    I think it’s just wonderful that so many here know just exactly what she ‘should’ have done.

    How reassured you must feel that this situation will NEVER happen to YOU.

  137. me again says:

    This place is a cruise.LMFAO!!!!!!

  138. sandra says:

    U cant even see any bruising on the babys face. that oskana one had it all worked out..she only was with him for his money and got pregnant on purpose….especially seen as she was a poor when she was younger

  139. denise says:

    Ellie

    I ONLY post under my name and it’s my real name at that. Why would I feel the need to hide? It’s not that serious. And FYI There is never a need to attack someone’s intelligence, it just makes you look inferior.
    It seems you may have forgotten that we are here to post OUR opinions, and not everyone agrees.Some posters disagree gracefully while others choose to be crass and ignorant, but tis is life, now go get yourself one.

  140. Nick says:

    The publication is unjust. A lot of speculations. Authors has very good imagination…