Morrissey calls the Chinese people a “subspecies” & refuses to apologize

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This story comes via Gawker, and it’s slightly complicated because there’s some back-and-forth and some history to it. Basically, British singer and former Smiths front-man Morrissey is a racist douche. What’s interesting is that he has no plans to apologize for being a racist douche, or for his sketchy history of racist comments, and that his fans probably still love him.

So, in an interview with this weekend’s Guardian Magazine (UK), Morrissey began talking about animal rights (he’s a big animal rights guy), and how pissed he was that China still has a pretty terrible animal rights record. This is part of what he said:

Morrissey, a vegetarian and animal rights advocate who last year abandoned the stage at the Coachella festival in California because of the smell of cooking meat, described the treatment of animals in China as “absolutely horrific”, referring to recent news stories about animals in Chinese circuses and zoos. He told interviewer Simon Armitage: “Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare? Absolutely horrific. You can’t help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies.”

[From The Guardian]

That’s right, a “subspecies.” This is not Morrissey’s first brush with race-tingled comments:

In 1992 NME Magazine accused Morrissey of “flirting with disaster” and racist imagery after wrapping himself in the union flag while on stage in Finsbury Park, north London.

In the same year, the singer, now 51, was quoted in Q Magazine stating that he did not want to be “horrible or pessimistic” but he didn’t “really think, for instance, black people and white people will ever really get on or like each other. I don’t really think they ever will.” While in 1994 he told Select magazine that the National Front should be given a clear voice or platform in order for them to be “less of a threat”.

The war of words with NME continued in 2007 after Morrissey, who lived in Rome at the time, was quoted in an interview with the magazine apparently criticising levels of immigration after being asked if he would ever consider moving back to England. “With the issue of immigration, it’s very difficult because, although I don’t have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears,” he said. “If you walk through Knightsbridge on any bland day of the week you won’t hear an English accent. You’ll hear every accent under the sun apart from the British accent.”

At another point in the interview he stated: “England is a memory now. The gates are flooded and anybody can have access to England and join in.”

[From The Guardian]

During those past incidents, Morrissey apologized or revamped his comments, claiming he was misunderstood or misquoted, or that he didn’t really mean anything. In 2008, he even donated about $40,000 to Love Music Hate Racism as a way to apologize for the comments about England. That organization, LMHR, is now bashing Morrissey for the “subspecies” comment.

A spokesman for Love Music Hate Racism, which received a donation of £28,000 from the singer in 2008 after his apparently anti-immigration comments made in music magazine NME convulsed the media, said it would be unable to accept support from Morrissey again if he did not rescind or dispute today’s comments.

“It really is just crude racism,” said Martin Smith. “When you start using language like ‘subspecies’, you are entering into dark and murky water. I don’t think we would, or could, ask him to come back after that.”

[From The Guardian]

And Morrissey doesn’t seem to be in a mood to retract the “subspecies” comment either. The interviewer notes that “I thought at the time it was a dangerous thing to say into a tape recorder. He must have known it would make waves, he’s not daft. But he’s provocative and theatrical, and it was one of dozens of dramatic pronouncements. I’m not an apologist for that kind of remark, and couldn’t ignore it. But clearly, when it comes to animal rights and animal welfare, he’s absolutely unshakable in his beliefs. In his view, if you treat an animal badly, you are less than human. I think that was his point.”

And Morrissey offered this statement in the wake of The Guardian’s interview: “If anyone has seen the horrific and unwatchable footage of the Chinese cat and dog trade – animals skinned alive – then they could not possibly argue in favour of China as a caring nation. There are no animal protection laws in China and this results in the worst animal abuse and cruelty on the planet. It is indefensible.”

Of course, Morrissey also had some other lovely things to say. On “people” he says, “They are problems.” On being a lonely prig, he says, “We’re all lonely, but I’d rather be lonely by myself than with a long list of duties and obligations. I think that’s why people kill themselves, really. Or at least that’s why they think, ‘Thank heaven for death.’” And on the subject of cats, he says, “Yes. Cats. I’ve had lots of cats. But also many bereavements.”

Just to be clear, and offer my own opinion: I think Morrissey’s comments are reprehensible, and the fact that he’s sticking by them is even worse. If his point was to raise awareness about the lack of animal rights in China, he failed. Morrissey and his racism are now the topic. While I understand the anger he feels as an animal rights activist, referring to one billion Chinese people as a “subspecies” is f-cking horrible, and reminiscent of ye olde racist arguments that there is a genetic/evolutionary argument to be made to defend one’s racism. Now, I prefer animals to people as well, but I don’t care enough to break up my dislike of people based into “subspecies” and “not that deplorable, also: white.”

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Morrissey performing in Ireland and California in 2009. Credit: WENN.

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  1. Liana says:

    I never could with Morrissey. Always want to give him a wedgie and say “lighten up, asshole, you ain’t all that.” Now he’s got his head up his ass again.

  2. gem says:

    Who is this man and why is he making statements like he matters? I hate when people judge a whole group of people for one small sub group of that category smh

  3. geenie says:

    As much as I want to hate him, I can’t. The music that The Smiths have contributed to the music world is amazing. Just brilliant amazing music. I can care less about his personal racial beliefs.

    He clearly is an anti-animal cruelty extremist and is demonstrating his disdain with his ‘subspecies’ rant.

  4. DetRiotgirl says:

    Yeah, I feel like he may have had an empathetic thought in there (that we shouldn’t hurt animals), but it got lost in his epic douchery. And that is some epic racist douchery right there.

    Also, did anyone else roll their eyes all the way back into their head while attempting to read his commets about England? I just kept thinking “aren’t you living in Rome? Do you speak perfect Italian? Doesn’t that make you *gasp* an immigrant???” I guess he’s an exception to his own bias, huh? Douche to the max!

  5. Alex says:

    Actually a subspecies is a more evolved group of organisms within a species . . . what a thoughtless and idiotic comment; I am no longer a fan.

  6. humpybunny says:

    pity, i really liked morriseey as an artist. i think he’s very talented. eventhough im chinese (not from china), i do agree with what he says. the way some of the chinese treat animals is very inhuman but he could’ve talked about it in another way. calling the chinese a “subspecies” is not gonna do anything and sure as hell is not gonna bring awareness

  7. Kate says:

    Someone call the whambulance, Morrissey has been given access to a microphone.

    All I hear when he speaks is a 13 year old emo kid who is mad because his parents won’t let him dye his hair purple.

    Steven, if you hate everything so much then do the world a favor and go away.

    Get the fuck over yourself. You’re all for animal rights? Well then get off your ass and do something about it… something other than generalizing an entire nation, I mean.

    Guess what I did last Wednesday? I volunteered at the local Humane Society, and I DIDN’T make a sweeping statement about a nation of 1.3 billion people while doing it. And guess what else, Steven? It was easy to do and I didn’t come across as a racist shithead in the process!

    DetRiotgirl, you are so right, but I guess he feels that his theory doesn’t apply to him. Just to everyone else.

  8. I love the Smiths, but you know most celebrities would be better off to think before they speak. Here’s the difinition for you.
    sub·spe·cies (sbspshz, -sz)
    n. pl. subspecies
    A taxonomic subdivision of a species consisting of an interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms.

  9. Eastbay says:

    I just can’t hate on Morrisey. I have loved his music for too long. I don’t think he cares if he offends anyone

  10. Kiska says:

    Morrissey is known to shoot his mouth off. He is a true misanthrope. However, in his defense, who hasn’t said something stupid in the heat of the moment? I know I have done that. Racism is a mix of ignorance and fear. Do I believe the Chinese culture is wrong for skinning alive dogs and cats? Hell yah! It utterly disgusting! But its not the the Chinese people that I have a problem with. I don’t think Morrissey is against any one race but rather it is the whole human race that he hates.

  11. Whatever says:

    I wouldn’t call them a subspecies and the animal treatment is horrible, but what about human rights? They are severely lacking in that area as well. Of course, he probably doesn’t care a bit about the people!

  12. Kiska says:

    Kiska,

    So what explaination do you have for him saying that whites and blacks will never get along or that England is too diverse and he will never return to it.

  13. WTF? says:

    @geenie

    seriously? I’m glad to see that you don’t let dignity or decency get in the way of your ipod. I hear that Hitler was a virtuoso on the violin. foolish how everyone just focuses on that nazi stuff.

  14. Linda says:

    People who are mean to animals are….I’m not sure he’s all that wrong but they’re not only Chinese.

  15. audrey says:

    he is right about China’s treatment of animals – it is horrendous and
    I am glad that he’s drawing attention to it, but totally wrong to call them a sub-species. very wrong.

  16. eja102 says:

    I also prefer animals to most people.
    I get his sentiment, though not the delivery.

  17. Lenore says:

    Sorry, I couldn’t get any further than this:

    ““With the issue of immigration, it’s very difficult because, although I don’t have anything against people from other countries, the higher the influx into England the more the British identity disappears,” he said. “If you walk through Knightsbridge on any bland day of the week you won’t hear an English accent. You’ll hear every accent under the sun apart from the British accent.”

    At another point in the interview he stated: “England is a memory now. The gates are flooded and anybody can have access to England and join in.””

    Wow. I’d been all prepared to defend Morrissey – whose music I don’t much like, actually – on the basis of other incidents I was familiar with in the past, which I felt had a context that was never reported. However, I had never read these comments before, but there really is no getting around it: that is racism, pure and simple, unavoidable.

    Britain is an island that has been dealing with immigrants of one type or another since boats were invented. Whatever the circumstances, we adapted – we absorbed those new cultures. The identity of Britain, if it has one, is by its nature multicultural. I live and work in an area that is fairly evenly split between English and Pakistani populations, and you know what? I still know who I am. Funny how the dastardly immigrants – many of whom are second, third generation anyway – have not managed to affect my sense of self in any way at all. “Anybody can join in” he says, like that’s a bad thing! Did his mummy never tell him to share? The more the merrier!

    And what the fuck is a “British accent” anyway? Is it Mancunian, Liverpudlian, Scottish, Welsh, Geordie, Cockney, Brummie? In what way does it detract from the British identity to add Pakistani, or Bengali, or Kashmiri to that list? What a perfect moron.

    If one’s sense of self is so fragile that it cannot survive exposure to another culture, then that person is surely to be pitied. If Morrissey wants to cling to some Kray Twin-loving, mini-cooper-driving, Carry-On-esque, white-bread, crinoline-nightie-wearing, pearl-clutching, “who won the bloody war?”, backwards, bullshit, never-existed-anyway vision of England, then I’m glad he didn’t stay here to do it.

    And there’s something very twisted about a man living in a country other than his birthplace, complaining about the immigrants ruining his home.

    In conclusion: Twat. [/rant]

  18. Amoosed says:

    @Lenore – I found I wanted to cheer and also ROLF with your comments.

    Love your humour
    love your POV

  19. Kiska says:

    @ Kiska

    I’m don’t know about his other racist comments. I just said that he hates people period.

  20. gg says:

    haha, cheers Lenore. Nailed it.

    And the man can sing only two notes anyway. Move to India, Morrissey you whiner – you’re not far enough away.

  21. The Hamm is My Dream Man says:

    What a douche. The racists are really starting to come out of the closet as of late. I wonder what that’s about.

  22. aenflex says:

    The racism is sad and gross. Humans are humans regardless. But they way animals are treated in China and other countries, even this country, is also sad and gross. I don’t blame him for being reviled.

  23. veganism says:

    What he said should be examined closely, “you can’t help but FEEL they are a sub-species”. He is admitting to having racist feelings, not something many are willing to do but most probably feel at some time or another, and when confronted with such cruelty as that which he described, it is understandable that his emotional reaction may have been extremely base. he chose to articulate that emotional response in order to highlight the seriousness of the issue.

    Sometimes a shock is necessary to bring an issue to the fore, something which he seems to have achieved.

    The fact that he is probably aware that he will be misquoted and paraphrased opens up the question of whether we should temper what we say in order to cater for people who listen to hearsay and take the tabloid version as fact. Perhaps this is the debate we should be having.

  24. Kisser says:

    If you swapped the word Chinese for Londoners this wouldn’t be regarded as racist. It seems that if you criticise another country you are automatically racist. Typical of our dumb trial by media world we live in. A friend of mine always asserts that the Chinese are cruel. I tend to agree.

  25. Liana says:

    Lenore, you might be my girl crush.

    You know, people can have opinions and say whatever they want. But that doesn’t mean people have to like it or that you won’t have to suffer backlash because of your opinions. I had a dear musician friend who had a tendancy to shoot off his mouth a a lot of the time (OK, all the time), he was completely misunderstood because of his deep dark sardonic sense of humor and while he was really smart, he didn’t often express himself well (he had some articulation problems). He once said that (paraphrasing): “anyone who has an opinion and states it, will probably offend someone.” In this case Morrissey has no sense of humor to misunderstand and he’s too well spoken to BE misunderstood. He he was just offensive in his statement. If you mean that someone is less than human for their mistreatment of animals, than SAY that, don’t paint an entire country with such a broad brush. The treatment of animals (and people) sucks in many many countries, and I appreciate that he is attempting to bring this to the forefront, but he really should have thought, then reworded.

  26. mike says:

    Hitler was pro-animal, pro-environment. I bet Morriseey thinks Hitler was a swell guy.

    Who cares if Jews were gassed and put in ovens? They’re only a subspecies, right?

  27. OC lady says:

    Back in the day, I went to a Morrissey concert. Waited for hours because he was REALLY late. He comes in pissy and makes no attempt to talk to the crowd. Then, he plays for exactly 45 minutes and storms off with no encore. After that, I threw all his records out. So, this interview is no surprise to me. The guy is a complete tool. 🙁

  28. Solveig says:

    I’m curious to know what Morrissey thinks about British imperialism in India, Africa, America, Australia, New Zealand. Is cultural mix (I’d call it “cultural distruction”, in this case) acceptable when it comes from violent invasions?
    What makes people different is ignorance and culture, change the first factor and increase the second one and you’ll have people who respect animals, and probably also people who do respect other people coming from different places.
    Anyway, I dislike people in general, I think that the human being is the cancer and virus of this planet, I’m an extremist but at least I’m not a racist…

  29. wunderkindt says:

    The ‘Chinese’, or more specifically, the Chinese govt. have been very cruel not only to animals and the environment, but specifically to Tibetans to whom they have committed countless acts of torture, rape, and wholesale genocide. And it’s still going on today in Tibet.

    While I dont agree with Morrisseys’ delivery, it should be pointed out that ‘Chinese’ is not a race but a nationality. ‘Asian’ would refer to race. Morrissey may just have a targeted intolerance towards Asians of Chinese nationality.

    As far a national political agendas go, the Chinese have one of the most appalling human rights records on the planet.

    When it comes to religious intolerance and ethnocide, Beijing wins the top prize. They have tortured and murdered countless Buddhists and now Muslims. People have been arrested for merely meditating in a park. I have known people who were arrested and tortured mercilessly because they wouldnt give up thier religion and switch to Chinese state sanctioned atheism.

    The Chinese political regime seems to actually thrill in acts of pure heartlessness. It is these acts of the Beijing govt. which have made the ‘Chinese’ despised by some, disliked by many, and often unfairly villanized in other parts of the world.

    However, it is mainly the fault of the Beijing govt. and not that of an entire group of Chinese people.
    In fact, many Chinese nationals have been-and currently are-victimized by the inhumane policies of their own govt.

  30. Lenore says:

    Amoosed/GG/Liana, thank you guys! 🙂 Also, Liana, I TOTALLY agree with your post. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism – and if Morrissey had been misunderstood re: China, he could have said so. He did not.

    Also, while I’m ranting, I wonder what Morrissey’s opinion on the still-extant British farming of battery hens is? It’s a barbaric practice. Anyone in the UK, I advise you not to buy any eggs that don’t explicitly state FREE RANGE on the carton, because otherwise, the chickens who produced those eggs were basically tortured. Though I’m a vegetarian, I don’t think it’s wrong to eat meat, but I do think we have an obligation to limit the suffering of the animals we use for food. Does battery farming make the English a subspecies, in Morrissey’s eyes?

    Also – finally – did anyone ever hear Tori Amos’s opinion of Morrissey? It’s a classic, and it makes me think less harshly of her botox habit. On the live cover she did of Don’t Look Back In Anger, she announces her next song will be a Manchester song. Someone yells out for The Smiths or Morrissey and she responds thus:

    “It’s not Morrissey because he pissed me off. And I’ll tell you why. […] I don’t know, he could be a nice guy by now, but a long time ago […] I’m coming out of a TV show, right, it’s forever ago, and um he’s walking past, he’s this little short guy, and I’m walking past – I had heels on so I can say that – and I look back and I just say, “Hey man, really great songs”. He said, “What the fuck do you know?” [deep breath] So WHAT THE FUCK DO I KNOW, MOTHERFUCKER?! WHO ARE YOU TRYING TO SELL RECORDS TO IN AMERICA, YOU SMALL DICK FUCKHEAD?” [Smiling] And basically we never spoke again. So I’m not doing his song.”

    So, yeah. Great lyricist, terrible singer, owes his career to Johnny Marr.. and he’s a twat.

  31. jzhz says:

    Thanks, Lenore and Liana. Most of us figured out when we were 5 years old that you can’t say out loud every single inappropriate thing that pops into your head – at least, not without consequences.

  32. Kate says:

    “A friend of mine always asserts that the Chinese are cruel. I tend to agree.”

    Really?
    All 1.3 billion of them are cruel?
    “The Chinese”?
    ALL of them?
    Well then, if you and your friend say so….

    Just like all Americans are war-mongering cowboys and all French citizens are snobby wimps, all Germans are fetish-loving Nazis and all Brits are closeted homosexuals?

    It’s nice to know an entire nation; the most populous nation in the world in fact, can be categorized by the actions of a portion, or by their administration.

    And here I was thinking a nation with 1.3 billion citizens would have some citizens who don’t subscribe to a certain way of life. Funny that.

    Kisser, if one substituted the word “Chinese” for “Londoners” it would make no difference. Want to know why? It would make no difference because generalizing an entire population is unreasonable, intolerant, and cowardly.

  33. Snarf says:

    Moz isn’t a racist, he hates EVERYBODY.

  34. GatsbyGal says:

    LOL, look at that bloated fucking idiot, up on stage acting like he’s still 25 years old. Is his shirt tucked in the front and not the back? He looks like a sleazy old pedophile.

    Morrissey is a subspecies.

  35. Feebee says:

    This guy is criticizing the English immigration policy while he himself, an Englishman is living in Rome, Italy. If anything that’s an indictment on Italian immigration policy.

    As for “Chinese-sub-species” bit…. well, sorry to all the animal rightsy people but if you’re going to criticize the likes of China and their policies for anything I would think it would be for human rights violations. But this guy’s obviously got a huge mouth with feet to fill it. Maybe he shouldn’t speak like George shouldn’t drive.

  36. Conando says:

    “I also prefer animals to most people.
    I get his sentiment, though not the delivery.”

    @eja102, my thoughts exactly.

  37. canadianchick says:

    @Lenore, well said.

    This guy has a Ph.d in douchebaggery from the Mel Gibson College of Xenophobes.

  38. Mairead says:

    @ Kisser – err; DUH! If you denegrate another race, chances are you’re being racist, which is oddly enough. If you denegrate another country, you’re being xenophobic.

    If you denegrate Londoners, you’re basically everyone who lives outisde the M25 :mrgreen:

    @ Lenore, don’t forget the fact that his parents were immigrants adds a whole other layer of dumbassery to his comments. Mind you, his attitude is not that different than how most Irish feel, it’s ok for us to tramp around the globe and steal local jobs, and the Brits owe us, so we have a right to infest England. But don’t anyone who can tan better than us dare invade our patch 🙄

  39. KsGirl says:

    You know, I have seen those videos. And I have nothing good to say about a culture that is capable of that.

    Culture. Not race. Culture.

  40. mslewis says:

    Well, this sounds like something the Brits have to deal with since I have no idea who this person is. But, I will say that the Brits had loads of fun when they were colonizing all of those “subspecies” in the past and now those people have immigrated to Britain. Are they not welcomed? I mean, they were a part of the British Empire at one time, were they not?

  41. meaux says:

    Yeah…subspecies does not mean what Morrissey thinks it means. A subspecies is a genetically and/or geographically distinct population within a species; there’s no implication of inferioriority about a subspecies, despite what he seems to think.

    So it appears he’s both racist and uneducated. Delightful.

  42. Jen D says:

    @veganism

    I can’t help but feel that he failed to bring attention to the animal abuse that occurs in China. People are going to be focussing on his statement about the Chinese people rather than the issue of abuse. Which sucks, because it is horrifying what does occur there.

    On another note, why do musicians whose work I admire have to come out with these idiotic statements? Why do they have to make me guilty while I listen to their songs? Why can’t it be someone I hate, like Lindsay Lohan?

  43. Kate says:

    And yet, KSGirl, EVERY culture is capable of that. It’s not just one, two, or 12 cultures that commit reprehensible acts, or have the potential to; it is ALL cultures.

    In some cultures it is more widely accepted than in others, but that does not negate this fact.

    Does that make it the morally correct thing to do? Of course not. But does that mean an entire nation/culture/race/whatever you want to say, of people should be demonized as a result? No.

    Once again, instead of complaining about the actions another culture takes that one may consider “wrong”, one should be proactive and take action that could facilitate change.

    Morrissey would just rather complain and live in his miserable and sheltered thoughts, hating everything. That’s fine for him.

    Others take a different approach to life, and certainly their views are taken with more respect and consideration than his, simply because his message gets lost in his disgusting generalizations.

    If he didn’t speak down to people with his arrogant, smug and mean view of the world, then perhaps people would look into what he is saying and take their own action to stop it.

    Instead, all people see is yet another whiny and self-satisfied moron who preaches from the mount, while his head is stuck up his own ass.

  44. DD says:

    It’s not right to judge an entire race of people based on the laws of a country. I know a lot of chinese people who are loving pet owners and love animals. If you are going to make a comment, direct it to the people running the place and not to everyone of that heritage. So sad.

  45. mike says:

    I bet the Chinese people feel the same kind of revulsion for the American culture that says it’s ok for people to die of AIDS, but it’s not ok for them to use condoms that can save their lives…

  46. Fae says:

    Hooray for Lenore!

    I’m English and it’s lovely when you see someone’s on the same page. Unfortunately I hear too many people these days start sentences with the ever-so-disappointing ‘I’m not racist, but…’

    My partner’s great grandparents had to get official permission to marry because he was white and she was black (this was in St Lucia)- we’ve come a long way, baby, but sometimes I wonder how long we’ve got to go until people start to see all other human beings as just that: people. Some rubbish, some awesome. Some who honk down a microphone whilst brandishing the contents of some poor cow’s Mothers Day present. This Charming Man, indeed.

  47. sylko says:

    Perhaps if he visited some animal testing labs in the UK or the US he wouldn’t just be singling out the Chinese.

    Anthropologically speaking we are all subspecies.

  48. Truthzbetta says:

    His copy of the Mel Gibson Guide to Aging arrived right on schedule.

    Alienate, hate, and make sure your once great looks start disappointing the world by catching up with your butt ugly insides.

  49. Heaven-bound says:

    @OC lady

    Ugh! my ex use to drag me to all his concerts! he is a douche in my opinion, and all his followers are crazy, they worship him like a God. It’s very frightening. Up to this day I cant stand to listen to his music. (although he has some good songs with the Smiths) I think my ex traumatized me.

    And re: the comment about the Chinese, well after watching the documentary “the Cove” and being a fan of “Whale Wars”, it is very infuriating what some of these Asian countries do to our ecosystem in the name of profit. I also watched this documentary on Wal-Mart and the conditions that these factories have the Chinese workers is inhumane. All so you can get a sweater for 10 bucks. He has a point although, I’m not sure if it was correctly explained.

  50. Emily says:

    Urgh, what a pig. I hate it when people go off about immigrant. If people didn’t immigrate, there’d be 6 billion of us trying to squish into Africa.

  51. Adrien says:

    I’m part Chinese, so I’m part subspecie. Awesome!

  52. Dawn says:

    I guess he must know every black and white persons on the face of the earth. Gezz… Stay in rome and shut up.

  53. Sally says:

    @Lenore: Well said! 😀

    @KsGirl: Interesting to know you’re prejudiced about and have an all-encompassing hatred of Chinese culture. So I guess you hate Chinese culture that doesn’t involve animal cruelty as well?

    @Heaven-bound: And what about all the other non-Asian countries who destroy the ecosystem/environment/are cruel animals for profit? Like, a majority of the world *eyeroll*

  54. cprincess says:

    Hes a pain but you have to take the subspecies comment in context-hes a nut about animal rights and the Chinese are beyond unspeakable to animals (I think it was Ghandi who said you can tell alot about a country by the way they treat their animals) case in point Tianeman Square and Tibet….
    When he wrapped himself in the Union Jack, said that the National Front should be given a voice and then said that England had become a free for all immigration wise-his choice of words were unfortunate but again hes right-when many of the Eastern European joined the EU, millions of them flooded into England and as an expatriot I notice it-Ive often wondered on recent trips if there was anyone English left!
    India and Pakistan make up part of the British identity but Eastern Europe-to quote Borat-not so much….
    BTW-The Smiths music sucks…

  55. Crash2GO2 says:

    Did the moron ever think to consider that the current ‘British’ displaced a long line of former immigrants including the Iberians from Spain and Portugal who brought about the Bronze Age in Britain?

  56. carrie says:

    he’s Mel Gibson without the crazy intense drunk anger:what is his apology?? he’s incultivated???

  57. Mistral says:

    I agree with the interviewer’s assessment. He is a militant animal rights advocate, and sees any culture/society where animal abuse is still widespread (and we can’t say that animal welfare is important to the majority of people in China) as “subhuman”. He doesn’t like most people, but he really really hates anyone who mistreats an animal. I think Morrissey’s world is like this:
    Animals = Good
    Some People = OK
    Most People = Blah/Meh
    People who hurt animals = EVIL/HORRIBLE/NOT FIT TO BE CALLED HUMAN

  58. Chris says:

    Eating meat is just as bad as being racist. If you think that you have sound morals because you’re not racist but eat meat you have a long way to go. By eating meat you’re complicit in wide spread cruelty. Also, animal agriculture is the number one cause of climate change.

  59. Boombeeba says:

    @Chris U think a human eating meat is horrendous, but I guarantee u, if it came down to some Bear, Lion, Tigers, Crocs/ Alligator, shark etc survival & needed to feast & u were in their vicinity, that animal wouldn’t stop to think of ur so called “human rights”, ur @ss would be grass. If someone is killing an animal for sport, YES that’s wrong, BUT if the animal is being killed to provide someone’s family with a meal, how could that possibly be wrong?

  60. Heaven-bound says:

    @ Sally

    Please document yourself before *your eyeroll*
    will ya. it is obvious you have not seen the documentaries that I was talking about. NONE of the other non-Asian countries can compare with what China and Japan do to our ecosystem NONE! Your ignorance is outstanding.

  61. neema says:

    There’s a difference between a “racist” comment and a “prejudicial” comment.

    We come into this world as infants with the compulsion to categorize things by various criteria, one of those specifically being race. That is technically “racism”, and we’re ALL born with that innate compulsion.

    However, this guy is making blatantly predjudicial comments, making a truthful comment about a disparity between asian culture and some other culture is technically an acknowledgement of racial division and is thus racist.

    It’s when you start framing those differences with a senselessly negative bias that is the problem.

  62. Chris says:

    @Boombea: it’s wrong because humans have the capacity to provide themselves with a nutritious vegetarian diet. If it was a matter of life or death and you had to eat meat or die that’s one thing, but the majority of people who eat meat could be vegetarians if they wanted to be. If you’re interested in becoming informed about animal cruelty there’s a movie called Earthlings that you can watch online. Just Google it and I’m sure you’ll find it. It’s narrated by Joaquin Phoenix.

  63. GatsbyGal says:

    @Chris – So you’re citing a movie? And you say it’s narrated by Joaquin Phoenix as if that’s supposed to mean something. Hi-fucking-larious.

  64. Big Al says:

    I tend to agree with his views on animal treatment in China. It really is appalling how they treat animals there. Asia has a lot of catching up to do in regard to animal rights. The subcontinent on the other hand has a long tradition of vegetarianism and Europe has really only been catching up in the last 20 or so years.

  65. Michelle says:

    Lenore, I appreciate your wit and wisdom! I’m a mixed race Canadian whose great grandfather came from Canton, paying the Canadian “head tax” at the time, to work on the Canadian National Railway being built. He brought his son over at age 12 who then helped him in his restaurant. My grandpa Lee married a Ukranian-Jewish woman because they didn’t allow Chinese women to come to Canada in the 1930’s. (They wanted the Chinese men for the labour but they didn’t want the “Chinamen” breeding here in Canada). Fortunately we’ve come a long way since then. I’ve got a little half-Japanese nephew who’s living in England right now 🙂
    Allan Watts (a famous American Buddhist) was once asked why he was a vegetarian. His answer: “Because cows scream louder than carrots”. I happen to be a vegan now, but I’ve also hunted/fished with various “First Nations” aboriginals in northern Canada. They live in close harmony with the animals they use for food. In my opinion, whether it’s factory farming of animals, or pesticide-laden monoculture plant crops, we have fallen far out of harmony and respect for the natural world around us.
    My experience travelling in developing or third world countries (China included) is that in these countries, day to day existence is a struggle for most people, and human life is cheap. As a result, it isn’t until a nation reaches a certain level of prosperity that the society starts thinking about drafting laws to protect the environment or animal rights.
    Even my girlfriend who’s come to Canada from the Ukraine has been amazed at our “Pet Food” stores and the amount of money people spend on their pets. She recounted how there were no “Humane Society” laws or shelters for dogs or cats back home.
    Mr. Morrissey strikes me as a man who wants a simple “black and white” world that doesn’t threaten him with too much change. He seems to be rather angry that the world doesn’t conform to his expectations, and that people don’t always see things the same way as he does. He’s headed towards becoming a very bitter, bitter man.
    I get discouraged at man’s inhumanity towards other living creatures, but when I start feeling hatred towards the abusers, I try to remember these profound words…”I am human and I need to be loved…just like everybody else does.” 🙂

  66. What a twat
    Dont like him
    clearly raciest he needs to sit in a corner somewhere.
    animals are here to be eaten GET OVER IT!

  67. Persistent Cat says:

    I’ve been to Knightsbridge. I work very hard in looking like a cold, reserved blonde. Every single person I saw was colder and blonder than me.

    I hate immigrant bashing with such a passion. I’m Canadian, my mom is several generations, my dad is an immigrant (eastern Europe). Nothing bothers me more than listening to smug, entitled Canadians bitch about immigration. We essentially won a lottery and were born in a rich, free country. That’s it. We didn’t earn it nor deserve it.

    @Michelle, great comment. I’m ashamed at that part of Canadian history. I haven’t been to Ukraine but I’ve been to Moscow and I had a really hard time seeing the people on the street selling kittens and bunnies and dogs rarely on leashes.

  68. Chris says:

    @Gatsby Gal: It’s an award winning documentary that’s highly regarded among people concerned about animal cruelty, I know PETA have a high regard for it. But if your bias towards documentaries and Joaquin is going to preclude you watching it you could always go to an Animal Liberation website, or I can recommend the book Eating Animals by Jonathan Safran Foer. The information is out there if you dare, or care, to look for it, Earthlings is just a good introduction to the issue. I hope you watch it, I’d be interested to hear what you thought of it.

  69. Maritza says:

    Morissey? Never heard of him. I’m all for treating animal right but I do like me some meat.

  70. mike says:

    @Heavenbound,

    It is your ignorance that is astounding and to be honest, pathetic.

    China indeed is terrible, but Japan is a world leader in being ecofriendly, certainly years ahead of the US and parts of Western Europe.

    Don’t conflate whale hunting with the overall record. Japan has done more for the environment in the last 10 years than the US has done in the last 20, 30 years.

    So get your facts straight, you stupid anti-Asian douche.

  71. Andie M says:

    I DO AGREE WITH HIM ON THIS – HE SHOULD HAVE SAID ANYONE WHO IS CRUEL TO ANIMALS IS A SUBSPECIES “If anyone has seen the horrific and unwatchable footage of the Chinese cat and dog trade – animals skinned alive – then they could not possibly argue in favour of China as a caring nation. There are no animal protection laws in China and this results in the worst animal abuse and cruelty on the planet. It is indefensible.”

  72. Jen D says:

    @Chris

    I commend you for taking action and trying to do your part in helping animals. Vegetarianism is a great lifestyle choice. However, it’s not always completely cruelty-free. Huge tracts of land (once the home of many animals) are cleared every year to make room for plants we humans consume. This causes the death of animals on a massive scale. So many people on a vegetable-based diet don’t consider where their food comes from or how it was produced. If you only use locally-grown organic veggies that were produced on a small scale, then feel free to rain judgement down on everyone. If not, then you need to examine just how cruelty-free your lifestyle is.

    I’m not saying we should eat steak every day – just that there aren’t many simple answers… Vegetarianism can be great for the environment, but there is a potential for harm.

  73. Brittney says:

    Mistral…
    I wouldn’t call myself “militant” (and I hate that the animal rights message so often gets lost like this), but your breakdown of Morrissey’s mentality…
    “Animals = Good
    Some People = OK
    Most People = Blah/Meh
    People who hurt animals = EVIL/HORRIBLE/NOT FIT TO BE CALLED HUMAN”
    …well, that just seems logical to me. Most people are pretty meh, but I’ve never met an animal I didn’t like… and yes, intentionally hurting or inflicting cruelty on one is a sign that there’s a certain part of your humanity missing. Might even hint at psychopathy too, in some cases.

  74. Ironic... says:

    Meat is murder…tasty, tasty, murder…

  75. endoplasmic ridiculum says:

    A lot of nations are not friendly towards animals, and i’m sure that Morrissey would have a lot to say about them. I think he’s a general misanthrope and picked on one culture in this interview.. but I bet he has an earful about every other culture that mistreats animals..

    I tend to agree that any collective of people that engages in animal abuse (mine included) is not living u to its potential as humans…
    I just wouldnt restrict the critique to race….

  76. Tom says:

    China is very cruel to animals to the environment and the Tibetan people. To hell with them.

  77. Melanie says:

    I love it when expats complain about the UK being full of foreigners. It’s never said with a hint of irony.

    Yes, I am looking at you cprincess

  78. Jackson says:

    @72 Andie – I agree completely with what you said!

  79. bb says:

    His comments are typical Green Left misanthropy.

    How does any animal species have any more right to be on this planet than any human?

    It’s precisely atitudes like his that turned me off anything to do with animal rights and conservation during my teen years.

  80. ViktoryGin says:

    As specifically regards Britain and immigration, in which I’ve vested myself the right to voice my opinion as a descendent of the British colonial apparatus and an ironic and perhaps unfortunate anglophile:

    I picked up a great quote recently, and I can no longer recall from where it came but it went something like the follows:

    It’s perfectly fine to rape and pillage other lands and cultures, but when the locals follow you home, then you’ve got a problem. (Meant to be read with irony.)

    I maintain that Britain and immigration is a result of the end of the colonial era. Britain has imperialized hmmm…..Iran, China, India, Nigera, South Africa, Australia, the US, the Caribbean, and plenty more.

    It’s because of this type of exploitation that Britain (and Western Europe, in general) have enjoyed economic and cultural hegemony near the end of the last millenium. Now, that some of the people have come to collect in a gesture of cosmic irony, British nationalists want to get reactionary. Rudyard Kipling didn’t call it the “White Man’s Burden” for nothing, so deal with it.

    They don’t want immigrants in their country, but I’m sure that the NATIVES living in what is now Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Egypt, Burma, Zambia, Uganda, Somalia, Sudan, Ghana, New Zealand (ad mothafucking nauseum) didn’t want you there either pillaging their resources for the glory of the goddamned Crown. You scratched their backs (and beat them and make them work for free in some cases), and they’re coming to scrach yours too.

    But goddamn it if I don’t love me some Jane Austen.

  81. Cprincess says:

    @Melanie …..I’m looking at you…
    – I’m not entitled to an observation because I don’t live in England???
    Tell me exactly what connection/ benefit / colonial responsibilty England has to the Eastern Europeans pouring into the country???
    How many English go to live in Poland/ Romania/Bulgaria etc if you want to talk about Europe being 1 big happy family with no borders?
    I think Morriesey is moronic in his assertations that the National Front should be given a voice but call a spade a spade – everyone is so freakin PC nowadays…..

  82. fugly says:

    Geenie: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and yes.

  83. GatsbyGal says:

    @Chris – Well, if PETA has a high regard for it, then sign me up! Because PETA, as everyone knows, has its head on straight and isn’t at all a crazy organization full of hypocritical douchebags.

    And I don’t have to watch anything or read anything to give you my opinion already: I love meat, so kindly go peddle your crap elsewhere.

  84. Sally says:

    @Heaven-bound: Gulf of Mexico ring a bell? What about the years and years of oil spills in Nigeria? And all the species around the world that are now extinct due to human activity? Sounds like you’ve only been watching one-dimensional and/or selective documentaries. Japan is also not the only whaling nation out there. I’m not saying the asian countries (though you seem to be specifically talking about China and Japan) are any better than the rest of the world, just that the majority of the rest of the world is just as bad in terms of ‘our ecosystem’. Though I think you meant ‘environment’, since they mean different things. Perhaps you should do your research, hmm?

  85. Mingo says:

    Who cares?

  86. BurntSalt says:

    The term “douche” is done!

  87. original kate says:

    morrissey and mel gibson…separated at birth?

  88. jvon says:

    Morrissey is still around? Huh.

    *goes back to ignoring him*

  89. Chris says:

    @Gatsby Gal: Angry much? So animal cruelty is okay because you love meat. So does that mean that racism is okay because the KKK and Nazi Skinheads love being racist?

    Also, you said you don’t have to read anything or watch anything to give an opinion, no you don’t, but if your opinion is uninformed how seriously should anyone take it?

    I come across this all the time. I get into debates with people who think eating meat is fine but as soon I offer to show them evidence of what the meat industry gets up to they don’t want to know about it. Why is that?

    Oh yeah, Food Inc is another film worth watching.

  90. cara says:

    IDK….I have to have respect for someone who is so anti-PC and when they say something be it good or bad, they still own it. And as for the Chinese and animals…..TO THIS DAY, I cannot get an image I witnessed on A Current Affair, jeez, just about a lifetime ago. They were systimatically (sp?) hanging cats and dogs, IN THE CRATE THEY WERE HELD…and the last two cats were hugging eachother. THEY WERE HUGGING EACHOTHER!!!!!! It was an undercover cam.

  91. Liana says:

    yeah, Morrissey’s still kicking it.

  92. Heaven-bound says:

    @ Mike

    I stand by my opinions and I am free to state them.

    Insulting me is not going to change that. If you defend your opinion by verbally attacking me, who is the one showing his/her stupidity!! Lack of lexicon? You could have made your point with out the insults, but since you decided to insert them, then your opinion is rendered invalid in my eyes, Mikey!!

  93. Jo 'Mama' Besser says:

    This dude gets crazier with every swish of his middle age spread.

  94. Sally says:

    @Heaven-bound: You’re right, Mike didn’t need to insult you, but his point still stands. If you’re letting your opinion get in the way of the facts (in terms of extent of damage to the environment) then perhaps you are the ignorant one.

  95. Pirouette says:

    I hate it when meat-eaters get all defensive when someone provides them with information that doesn’t support and condone thier life choices. It is such a predictable reaction. The defensiveness comes from a deeper understanding that what you are doing is wrong.

    It also seems like people are much more sensitive in the U.S. about potential racism than sexism or animal mistreatment.

  96. LT says:

    I think the reporter said it right with: “In his view, if you treat an animal badly, you are less than human. I think that was his point.”

    I can see what he was trying to say, but it just came out the wrong way. If you’re trying to make a strong point about something that’s bound to happen. Is it strictly the word “subspecies” that’s the problem? Would it have been better if he’d called them a bunch of assholes instead?

  97. sad says:

    I’m a vegetarian, and I agree with your first paragraph, Pirouette, and that’s where it ends.

    However, don’t conflate racism with sexism, homophobia or animal mistreatment. I’d rather not compare apples and oranges – different kinds of pain, different manifestations and implication, well as relation to the issue at hand. Having experience with all of them, I can say that with clear conscience. And matter of speaking, there is alot of defensiveness about racism: it’s actually quite hard to make an accusation – it will not be taken seriously even though people may talk. Often the defensiveness you talk about is imminent – if you even hint at racism people come back 10x as strong about how you are playing the race card. And being a minority, you have a very small voice. Sometimes it feels so hopeless.

    Nonetheless, I disagree with Morissey that we will never get along… we are learning every day, but we are still a pretty new global economy and living structure. He is a xenophobic douche: the sum of both of his comments tell the full story.

    Also, racism is more than just what you learn in school; i.e. making fun of or not liking someone because of their skin colour or other racial features. That’s actually a very small subset and mostly all of us know that is wrong (a good thing). These days it is mostly the sum of our internalized misconceptions and preconceptions about “others”, often resulting in institutional racism. We all know what these preconceptions are – don’t even have to mention them – that’s just how prevalent racism is. It’s really hard to not be racist when ideas from way back are so widespread. Something we have to work on and openly discuss as it’s just so silly and sad.

  98. Cleo says:

    I can’t imagine the Chinese care one way or another what names they get called since the Japanese skinned Chinese people alive and raped tortured and murdered INFANTS.

  99. grazi says:

    @72 I completely agree with you. I believe in respect and harmony, and I am very inclined to despise people who are cruel, whatever nationality they may be.
    @73 I think your pont doesnt reallybmake much sense. Do you know that one of reasons of hunger is the high consumption of meat? the issue is basic the contray to what you have said, as a vegetarian diet consumes less space, food and water to be produced.

  100. Jill says:

    A lot of people hold the same view as Morrissey, but his comments are amplified by the press.

  101. missmilly says:

    ha! I love it…it’s people like this that make the world go round.

  102. Ph0s says:

    Wow. Lots of comments, so I’ll add mine to the mix. I have listened to Morrissey from way back and still do on occasion. I will also say that my politics and thinking are very much opposite with his. With this said, I think he has some very valid points albeit open to interpretation. With the comments he made, it is easy here for Celebitchy readers to jump in on the pile with catchy words like…. RACIST (dunn dunnnn dahhhhhhhhh).

    The fact is, most Chinese have a way of life that goes against the grain with most of the civilized world in many different facets including animal cruelty. Morrissey simply sees this as barbaric and more attune to the stone age versus civilized society as a whole. The documented cases for animal cruelty in many different forms in China is outstanding. It is as common as you or I going out for ice cream or pumping gas. So, from my view point, his comment rings wholly true if taken within context. The generalization is quite factual and valid. I call it like I see it, political correctness be damned.

    If celebitchy (or any other online blog) headlines someone as racist and throws out key words that the person said like “subspecies”, anyone sensitive to the subject will more than likely shut down their minds and blather on about how horrible that person is, regardless of any context. Regardless of the facts. If you go against the wave of political correctness, the critics will come out of the woodwork because your not playing the game. Typical.

    His comments taken from years ago regarding his own country sit well with me also. Say you lived most of your life in much of the same place. While there, many people that you had associated with have moved away for various reasons – including the escape to places where they feel more of a bond with their kin. In their place are people very different in many aspects and you have difficulty relating to them on many different levels – including language barriers or accents that almost require a star trek universal translator. Most people are drawn to their own kind and desire commonality in their lives and relationships. He was simply bemoaning this occurrence regarding the influx of immigrants flooding his country. If enough mexicans flooded this country, the way of life would be changed dynamically from language and culture to politics, etc. For good or bad, it would CHANGE. Depending on this change and the implications thereof, would be where Morrissey is voicing his opinion regarding the subject.

    I’m not vegan and love me some meat. Actually allot of meat. One thing nobody can take away from him is the fact that he is at least consistent with animal rights and has never swayed from that path. Hypocrite he is not regarding this – and this is the crux of the the article (not racism, as the celebitchy slantist blogger seems to try to twist it into).

  103. Crash2GO2 says:

    @Cleo: You make an excellent point. How can we expect animal welfare to come from nations where basic human rights are so ignored? Where people themselves are treated like animals?

    Has anyone seen a croc kill a gazelle? It ain’t pretty and it ain’t fast. At least, as humans (and natural meat eaters), we have people like Temple Grandin making revolutionary changes in the slaughter houses to make them more humane.

    Really, I think the key to least harm is ecofarming both flora and fauna. When you remove meat and other animal products (high calorie and nutritionally dense food choices) from the diet, a lot more land has to be plowed and cultivated to meet caloric and nutritional needs for humans.

    As far as PETA goes, they are so reprehensible in their own treatment of animals that I refuse to watch anything that they ‘condone’.

  104. Kelso says:

    @GatsbyGal: You love meat? You think the suffering of animals is ok so you will get your belly full? Which you can get without meat. You like the taste? Well maybe I don’t like how black people look like. Maybe I just enjoy killing people. Maybe I enjoy eating them too. Would you defend that? I mean, it’s a free world, right? I’m gonna go out and kill myself a nigger now. Just because they annoy me, and they taste better than a pale albino bitch 🙂

  105. Chris says:

    Apart from the well documented cases of cruelty there’s also the issue of animal agriculture being the number cause of global warming. Then of course there’s the health implications involved when people eat genetically modified animals that are full of antibiotics, growth hormones or disease.

    But don’t take my word for it, do your own research.

    @Crash: If you don’t want to watch Earthlings you could check out Food Inc. Here’s the offical website:
    http://www.foodincmovie.com/

  106. Susie says:

    I agree with him. Would you like some Egg-Cat-Foo-Dog-Yung? They should also learn some basic manners and stop spitting and picking their noses and eating it.

  107. Chris says:

    That’s number “one” cause of global warming.

  108. Jo 'Mama' Besser says:

    @Kelso:

    That is the damned stupidest thing I’ve ever read, and I’ve read a LOT.

  109. Aspie says:

    He obviously has an issue with non-white races and cultures and with those ignorant comments that he espoused about an entire race of people, he’s the REAL subspecies.

  110. luisa says:

    I Think that people must know a litle more about Morrissey.He talks about the real family (english real family)in the same way .With acid coments about their desrespect about animals(would be that call racism )He also is a great defensor of the Mexicans and frequently he does strong coments about the treatment of the americans against the minorities,and their cruelty…and recently he dedicated a song to Jean Charles (brazilian murdered for the british police)…Well…how can he called racist!!!!

  111. Spacin Jason says:

    Moz needs a pants button extender. He looks like he has been eating too much Chinese food. Oh and boogers are good don’t knock it til you tried it.

  112. timmlehh says:

    please. what a dickhead. if it werent for the australia literally 70 percent of the shit you buy wouldve never exiseted. why dont you die ina hole, coz nobody cares about your racist comments.

  113. timmlehh says:

    please. what a dickhead. if it werent for the china literally 70 percent of the shit you buy wouldve never exiseted. why dont you die ina hole, coz nobody cares about your racist comments.

  114. dee says:

    He’s right.It’s good to see someone has the guts to say it.

  115. Ashley says:

    I know that in The Cove it is made clear that the vast majority of the Japanese people did not know that the dolphin slaughter was even going on. It was just a handful of people taking part in and profiting from the slaughter, and selling contaminated meat to their own people, so maybe most chinese people don’t know what is going on with the treatment of the animals used for fur, or that if they do know, they are powerless to stop it because there is money being made. I think that most people are good regarless of race or nationality, so I assume that most people in China would be disgusted by the treatment of animals.