Star Trek icon Leonard Nimoy counts poetry and photography among his lifelong hobbies. He recently put out a coffee table photography book that features larger women without airbrushing or clothing called The Full Body Project. He’s hopes to get the message out that the images of models in the media are unrealistic and not even close to the size of average women. Some of his models are part of the “fat acceptance” movement, which promotes understanding and equal opportunity in society for people who are larger-sized. Nimoy says the use of super thin women in ads is a cheap ploy to make women feel inferior and buy unneeded products:
In his provocative new book, photographer and actor Leonard Nimoy captures images of full-bodied women, some of whom are involved in what is known as the “fat acceptance” movement. “The average American woman,” Nimoy writes, “weighs 25 percent more than the models selling the clothes. There is a huge industry built up around selling women ways to get their bodies closer to the fantasy ideal. Pills, diets, surgery, workout programs. . . . The message is You don’t look right. If you buy our product, you can get there.'”
[From Amazon.com, thanks to The National Enquirer, print edition, for the tip]
We’ve had a lot of discussion here about this issue after the recent controversy over gorgeous model Karolina Kurkova being called “fat” on the runway. I mentioned in the comments that I don’t want to see super skinny women modeling clothing because it’s not going to make me interested in a product line. Some people applauded Kurkova for not falling for pressure to be pin thin while others said it’s her job to look unrealistically skinny and she isn’t doing it by gaining some essential weight.
Entrepreneur and all around opportunist Katie Price, better known as Jordan, put out a lingerie line and featured models of all sizes wearing her bras and undies at a photo call. She had a line up of women that included thin, average-sized and one woman who could be considered obese. It was a smart move because it got her a lot of publicity along with showing that her underwear fits women who range from small to very big-breasted.
The Dove “campaign for real beauty” ads include women that are average-sized and mildly overweight and proclaim that we should feel beautiful at all sizes. By bucking the trend of showing super fit models Dove has received a lot of attention and press. Some people criticize the ads, because the woman may be larger than we’re accustomed to seeing but they’re still all gorgeous and airbrushed. Others pointed to the hypocrisy of parent company Unilever, which also has the arguably sexist Axe ad campaign featuring perfect, sex-starved beauties fawning over the men who use their body care products.
The choice to use small, average and/or large models in an ad campaign is ultimately a business decision. It seems logical, as Dr. Mr. Spock would put it, to chose women with bodies across the spectrum in order to show that your product or clothing item has wide appeal. Nothing drives frivolous purchase decisions quite like emotion, though, and that’s why they use tiny barely post-adolescent girls to sell luxury items. You may never be that thin in your life again unless you take drastic measures – and you’ll never be that young – but it’s easy enough to plop down the money if you have it.
Here’s 77 year-old Leonard Nimoy looking cute at “16th Annual Grand Slam: Sci-Fi Summit Day Three” in Burbank, CA on 4/13/08, thanks to PRPhotos.
Update: This is the first I’ve heard of Nimoy’s book, and the news is in the National Enquirer this week. Many of you note that the book is old. Amazon.com has it with a publication date of December, 2007.
Well he is right although the armchair warriors will be storming the castle any minute to fake gag. The WHOLE point of having unrealistic looking women in marketing is to sell the illusion to you subconsciously that you NEED the product in order to feel better. It works. Psych is a major part of marketing. If people started accepting themselves however, they would make better choices.
But I am sure the armchair warrior sect is gonna storm onto this page around now and fake barf and talk about how fat is gross and yadda yadda.
It is what it is. And the body is the body. Learn to love whatcha got cause you WONT have it forever.
Mr Spock’s a chubby chaser. Who knew! π
Holy crap, this is old news. The book is about 3 years old (I think). I’m kinda surprised Nimoy didn’t include Shatner in his “fat acceptance” book.
Damn well it’s news to me, I haven’t heard about it yet. Sorry about that. It was new in the National Enquirer this week.
This book is really old! I have a friend who got to pose for him. She said he was really friendly and easy to pose for.
I have to admit that I’m torn on the whole thing. I think it is important for everyone to love their bodies and accept themselves. And yet…fat isn’t healthy. It just feels the media has totally fucked us over in order to make a buck (albeit a big one) for themselves. The ads say, “you’re too busy, each this, and look at these healthy people eating this crap, it fine!!!” and at the same time making us feel like we’re inferior because we don’t look like we’re 15. (And at 15 I was wicked hot, but do you think I could see it? Nope, I was just convinced that no one would love me because I didn’t look like Paulina Porizkova.) Frustrating stuff.
I remember hearing about this book before…but it fell off my radar.
I’m compelled to buy it.
But then again, I’m on the verge of a complete mental breakdown, and apt to do some crazy shit.
Being fat is just as unhealthy as super-thin. I understand many women who eat right and exersize regularly can still look big boned, but many plus-sized woman don’t eat properly and don’t exersize. Just because it’s “normal” and “average” doesn’t make it ok. Stomach fat in particular leads to a higher risk of heart disease. Sorry to sound harsh but frankly, I’m tired of hearing these “fat acceptance” people and BBW’s go on about how they’re sexy too. I don’t find diabetes sexy. If there were a “skin and bones acceptance” movement, people would be so up in arms.
Eat right, exersize, and be healthy. That’s attractive.
Big difference between being big and having 30-40% body fat. Ditto for being thin and having 5% body fat. Either is bad. Neither is attractive.
I’m sorry, Elisha, but overweight women CAN be sexy. Sexy isn’t in what you look like, it’s your mood, the message you convey, your personality, and how you treat others. Sexy is appreciating and liking the opposite sex.
I have been overweight most of my life. I’m old now too. Two things for you to go EWWWW about. But you know, when I used to go out drinking (gave it up about 5 or 6 years ago) I could always walk in a bar and know that I could go home with any man I chose, IF I chose, simply due to my personality and sex appeal. Nobody minded that I was a size above average. I was likeable, and I liked them back. That’s sexy. Nothing to do with looks at all.
The book isn’t THAT old — December 2007. But he has had some publicity over the last several years for gallery shows of these photos.
With all due respect, Syko, almost ANY woman can pick up guys in a bar if she so chooses, regardless of her weight. Guys trolling bars are far more interested in getting some than they are in looks, because they are not looking for a meaningful relationship-just momentary pleasure.
That being said, fat is not beautiful. it just is not. It is ugly and unhealthy, and I am saying this as a fat person myself. That does not mean I think fat people are bad in any way; just that they have bad eating habits. I say the same thing about my anorexic mother, who is/was grossly underweight (she’s much better now, but still a little too thin).
In any event, extreme weight, in either direction is not attractive and should not be the ideal to go for. Women shouldn’t be stick figures like the supermodels are, but they shouldn’t be packing around extra rolls of fat around their midsections, either. Maintaining a healthy weight says a lot about a person; I am working hard to acheive my ideal, which is a size 10 or 12. I want to be curvy, not skinny and not fat. π
I agree with the people who believe that promoting either extreme is not a good thing. Excessive fat is not healthy nor is it attractive to me. I find people who believe obese people are attractive as strange as people who believe 90 pound models are attractive.
It’s pretty messed up that the fashion and beauty industry deliberately tries to instill self-loathing in women to generate profits.
I think the problem lies in how women are programmed to equate loving themselves with looking beautiful, because god forbid a woman judge her own worth by merits other than her looks.
I’m with ya, Syko.
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Yeah, really, saying you can land a guy trolling bars is like saying you’re a fantastic fisherman because you can pick dead ones up off the bank.
There is a big difference (get it, BIG difference?) between being a little overweight and being… these chicks. I consider myself reasonable when it comes to looks, and I dated a few women in my day that my friends gave me crap over, but there is a limit – and it generally begins when she weighs more than I do.
It’s a health issue more than anything. Is it sexy when someone is wasting away from cancer? Well it’s not any sexier to see someone killing themselves with oreos.
I have to agree with Lauri and Elisha. Being overly over/under weight is not good, nor healthy. By this i do not mean that every woman should be a size 4-8 with 15-20% body fat. Eat right and move around a bit. That might make what would be a size 14 a size 10, or a size 10 an 8. Oh, and there are certain types of guys at bars, and they are looking for a lay, not a relationship. That said, I am sure you are a pretty person and a good person Syko which means a lot more to many people than being a size 6 and an asshole. But you really shouldn’t have the attitude that you can eat whatever whenever, not exercise, and your still really attractive. That is just like being a complete bitch on wheels and a size 4-6, the size doesn’t make you attractive and the attitude doesn’t either, it’s the combo of having a little of both and knowing what you’re working with!
Last I knew, skinny people end up just as dead as fat people when it’s all said and done. Ain’t none of us gonna live forever, no matter how many carrot sticks we eat.
Using the fact that I, as a woman of lovely and bountiful curves, may or may not get some disease as a reason to call me ugly or disgusting doesn’t even make any sense. In the immortal words of The Black Eyed Peas, “ugly is as ugly do.”
Go L. Nimoy. It’s a GOOD thing we all come in so many different shapes, sizes and colors.
Syko rocks, ps. π
Thanks, Diva. π Thank you too, Chamalla. π
I’m not saying it’s okay to be morbidly obese. I am also not saying that I went trolling for men just to get laid. I am saying that sexy has nothing to do with body size. I’m also saying that I’m just a little tired of people who consider 10 lb. overweight to be gross and fat and sickening. Different people like different things. One woman may like a big teddy bear of a man, another may prefer the slender poet look. Same with men.
Being overweight does not automatically make you diabetic. If, at 65, after a lifetime of overweight, I am not diabetic, then I’d say I’m probably not going to be. I also have a healthy heart and other than having to have my gall bladder removed (which can happen even to the skinniest) am in good health.
An ugly bitchy personality is a much worse thing to have than a few extra pounds.
Thank you, Elisha! Just because it seems like everyone is bigger and overweight now, and the “new normal” is a 10, doesn’t make it RIGHT! Don’t get me wrong- I definitely don’t think people have to have perfect bodies – everyone’s different and some really ARE a size 10 at their fittest – but I’m tired of everyone thinking it’s okay just because it’s become the new average.
There are so many wagging fingers in the media over fat– but no other health condition in our society is so stigmatized (except for HIV, which is usually not immediately obvious). I think that it’s an easy way for people to belittle others; I just don’t buy that people care only about the health impacts of obesity and not fat people’s appearance. I don’t see the goal of fat acceptance people to make everyone think that weighing 400 pounds is sexy, but more that the 400-pound person is still human and capable of love and intimacy, who has value, and is not just a freak to be mocked and ostracized.
I say this as an overweight woman who regularly walk/runs 5ks, 10ks, and half-marathons– people may think that I’m unhealthy and unfit, but let’s see who’s still got a smile on their face after 14 miles in the rain! π I’m not at my ideal size, of course (though it drives my doctor nuts that I am so active, have such good blood chemistry, and am still fat– she’s always ordering thyroid tests, heh), but I’m also not a leech on society.
I would kill to be a size 10, I had no idea even that size was unacceptable.
I move a lot, I eat good food, I drink a little good wine – and I’m a comfortable size 14-16. The men I’ve known have always seemed pretty comfortable with my curves, I wouldn’t let ’em see them if they weren’t.
I think it’s interesting that most of the criticism comes from other women. Men are a lot less superficial than we give them credit for – I think it’s pretty sad that we do this to each other. Maybe the skinny girls are just cranky because they never let themselves eat.
So… both underweight and overweight people are unhealthy but only the overweight people look unattractive? How rare is thought and action against what is fed to us? We live in a world were the majority of the advertising is underweight unhealthy women but “ew overweight is unattractive”. They’re both unhealthy but only one usually is considered attractive. I applaud those companies and those who speak out against this hypocrisy.
It is my goal to teach (by example too) my daughter, that we as women should strive to be healthy and strong. Not weight numbers, dress sizes and bones or fat.
Chamalla – I don’t disagree that healthiness can be exhibited thru a variety of shapes and sizes. And I applaud you for being a fit 14/16. But I think you know there are plenty of women who should be an 8 who are not a fit, health conscious 14/16. That’s really what my post was referring to.
I’d like to point out that you say the criticism must come from “cranky skinny girls who don’t let themselves eat,” ….I can’t imagine the backlash if someone were to say, “You’re just bitter because you’re a gluttonous fat person.” I am not a “cranky skinny girl.” I am a healthy sized 5’3″ 123 lb person who LOVES pizza and wine and dining out practically every night of the week. I also go to the gym 5 days a week to combat that.
Scott… fat chicks are unattractive to you because you assume they have diabetes? Yeah, lol, right.
π My husband loves my rounder parts, I feel sexy every day! Sexy is WAY more a state of mind than the state of your body… I’ve been told by many men I was sexy because of an inate sensuality – fat rolls or not, lol.
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Last I heard, diabetes wasn’t contagious, anyway.
Oh, and Michelle? I don’t have the attitude that I can do whatever I want regarding food and exercise. And I’m not a particularly pretty person, nor a good person, I’m more of a bitch on wheels. And I don’t see a damn thing wrong with a size 14. I’m 5’9″, for god’s sake. I’d be anorexic in a size 8.
I think what Syko meant is that sexy is more about attitude than dress size. I agree wholeheartedly.
Um, I didn’t mention diabetes, that was someone else. And seriously, I don’t need anyone telling me what I do or do not find attractive, or why I should or shouldn’t feel that way. Fat gets you off? Fine. But fat not getting me off doesn’t make me a bad person.
What, it’s no longer alright to not be attracted to ANYONE? It could be because they’re too skinny, too fat, too tan, too white, too blond, too brunette, too stupid, too smart, whatever! Our personal preferences are just as important to our ‘uniqueness’ as our physical appearance is.
Now if you judge entirely on that, then you’re superficial, but to act like physical attraction (or revulsion) doesn’t play a HUGE part in human interaction is naive, new-age, bullshit.
Sexy isn’t just a state of mind either. Jessica Biel’s body and face on an uptight librarian would still be hotter than Richard Simmons doing a burlesque show.
Whatever.
Dude, relax, lol…
My point was only that you said “Itβs a health issue more than anything” like that’s what you based your opinion on what’s attractive and what’s not attractive!
You can get hard over whomever you want, just don’t try and make yourself sound anything more than superficial, yourself, by saying it’s health reasons that make someone hot to you!
Oh, and as for the Jessica Biel/Richard Simmons thing… GIVE ME A BREAK! LMAO Richard Simmons is a guy, no matter how effeminate he acts, so I would assume, that yes, as a straight man, you would find a woman sexier than a man. Apples and oranges.
Having recently lost 40 lbs and noting the fact that my boyfriend has stayed with me no matter my weight, I would have to say that Syko is awesome and I agree with them. π
Nothing like proud naked fat chicks to set everyone running around in circles flailing their arms over their heads in moral panic
CiCi –
Backlash? People say horrible things about overweight people all the time. You said yourself that you thought it was horrible that some women thought it was OK to be a size 10. I’d say calling someone cranky is a lot nicer than implying women who are large are completely worthless until they meet YOUR ideal body image.
i think people are always at least a little brainwashed by their culture’s standard of beauty. look at countries where being fat is a sign of wealth and privilege. look at renaissance paintings where women have rolls of fat (but curiously small breasts.) i was at the met the other day and saw a painting of a woman from the 1700s who in my opinion was seriously deformed! but the sign read she had been considered a great beauty.
men you should consider this the next time you find yourself “naturally” attracted to a woman.
Anyway, how can an overweight person be cranky and bitchy, we all know that fat people are always jolly!
Anon69 got it exactly. It’s an attitude, a comfort with yourself and your body, no matter what the size, and a warmth that’s projected when you actually like the other person. Funny how they like you right back.
If you like very slender people (although I have to say Jessica Biel’s lips seem just a trifle too chubby lately) that’s fine. Go for it. But don’t try to say that anything else is gross or unhealthy or ugly. Just accept them as human beings.
Everyone has sexuality within them. Even fat people, old people, deformed people, short people, they have the desires and the passion. If they project the passion, that makes them sexy, not what they look like.
I got most of my bitterness out on the Karolina post, but let me just say right now that looking “fat” and being unhealthy are two very different things.
Our concept of physical beauty is entirely our own; it is a product of what our culture and society teaches us to value.
Some instincts are intrinsic, part of mother nature’s urge to procreate instills most men with a natural affinity for hourglass shapes because generally well-proportioned women (wider hips than waist, ample bosom, etc.) are more likely to be fertile and survive childbirth. That part is nature. But the evolution of the Americal beauty ideal as a pin-thin, orangeish woman with enormous fake breasts and silicone-filled lips has reached a point of intense silliness.
You know what is really hard? Knowing that you can be fit and athletic, even underweight for your height, and still not fit the beauty ideal. That’s depressing. My body looks an awful lot like ancient greek statues( albeit with more tone since ancient greek women didn’t figure skate). At one time, I would have been considered such a hottie. Arguably, I still am to many, but I know that to many I’m not. THAT is what is wrong with the message women get–of course healthy should be beautiful, but that’s not the message we get. If we are not 50 pounds underweight, we are fat. If we have a little cellulite, we are heiffers.
Everything about this culture sends us the message that our bodies are disgusting. How many “feminine hygiene” products are out there? Is there a single thing besides plain soap for men to clean their freakin’ balls? No. π Nobody tells boys that their bodies are gross by implying that they need special products to “fix” them. (The exception to this is male enhancement crap, which is not at every store, and is a relatively new thing.)
Different people find different things attractive, and that is fine. But stop with the “fat isn’t healthy” crap because perfectly healthy people can still have some aesthetic “chub”.
I’ve battled with my weight my entire adult life, and right now I’ve got about 10 more pounds on my frame than I’d like. I know that if I were more disciplined about exercise and diet, I’d lose them. My clothes would fit better and I’d have more energy.
I like myself better when I’m in shape, and it has nothing to do with the media or magazines. It has to do with ME. I feel more confident when I’m eating right and working out, when I have the motivation and self discipline to take care of my body. It’s that simple.
When I look at that photo above, it represents to me women who have the same issues. I don’t think it’s bad to want to be thinner and healthier. I applaud them for not beating themselves up about being heavy, but at the same time, when I see someone with literal rolls of fat like that, all I can think is that they are lazy, undisciplined, and not concerned about taking care of themselves. Not because society tells me to think that, but because I know from my own experience that when I am not exercizing and eating poorly the same thing happens.
I think there is a difference between discriminating against people because they are overweight and accepting obesity as the norm because so many people look like the women above. I don’t think anyone should be made fun of, denied a job, or treated unfairly because of their appearance.
However, when I see women whose bodies look like the ones above, I do not think it’s normal or attractive. I don’t look at is as “just another way to look,” or “the normal body shape.” I can’t help but think how much better they would look and feel if they started taking better care of themselves.
Syko, defensive huh? Um I am 5 foot 8 and a size 8-10. Ohand I am at least 10 pounds heavier than I would be if I were in really great shape, so I am not saying I am all that!No you would not be anorexic if you were a size 10, you would be thin. If you are a 14 then that is fine, just saying that people who eat as they please and do not work out are not healthy. People that are a size 6 or 14 or 22 who eat what they want and do not work are not doing anything for their heart. That was all I was saying. Oh and if you are a bitch, not a good person, or a pretty person than the only person you are fooling is yourself!
I didn’t imply that anyone was worthless. Like I said, healthy comes in all shapes and sizes, I didn’t say MY size. My point was that we, as a nation, are getting bigger – and instead of seeing that as a problem, many people are simply looking at it as “the new normal/average.”
Can we all just step back for a moment and be honest? With the possible exception of one of those women, they’re not ‘chubby’, they don’t have ’10 extra pounds’, ect. They’re obese.
I’m all for being happy with your body, and I agree you should try to pass that on to your children. That’s also where I worry about this whole ‘being fat is alright’ thing.
Have you LOOKED at children in this country lately? What you do to your own body is one thing, but I see children 8 years old that can barely walk to the end of a grocery isle without passing out. Is it wrong to tell that kid they need to lose weight because it might make them feel ‘bad’ about themselves?
Believe it or not, there is a line where health becomes more important than self-esteem. Do you really want your children seeing the body image in that picture as healthy and desirable? How is that any more responsible than showing dangerously skinny models? Which ironically is the statement he’s trying to defy here with these photos. Let me tell you, I’ve worked in hospitals, if you think anorexia and eating disorders are a huge problem, you should come check out how many amputations we were churning out on a weekly basis because of morbid obesity.
Calling that model who was on here yesterday fat was ridiculous, but calling these women obese is clinically accurate.
Congratulations, Michelle.
No, I’m not being defensive. I just don’t think fat is disgusting. I don’t think people are disgusting for the most part, unless they’re being mean to other people, which is what I see happening when someone reviles someone else for their body size.
When it comes down to it, it’s nobody’s business but your own what you choose to eat, whether you choose to be active or not, what is attractive to you, how much money you have, or what your religion is. I don’t want everyone to love people because they’re fat, I want them to love people because they’re people, and fat has nothing to do with it.
And like someone said earlier, even thin people die. And not necessarily later than fat people.
And now I’m leaving, because nobody is going to change anyone’s mind, and we can go on all day hashing over the same stuff. But I know this, it’s wrong to make fun of others for their appearance.
Syko I agree. That is why I do not make fun of anyone (accept the scientolofreaks, but shhhhhhhhh! I don’t want to have an accidental “suicide”). My favorite sister in law is morbidly obiese and I would never make fun of anyone else who was. I see in her face how sad it makes her. I worry so bad though for her health and for my husband who will desperately miss her if she passes away prematurely (and her two teenaged daughters who would be extremely sad if they lost their mother sooner than they could have). Making fun of anyone for weight is wrong, but to have a personal preference not to let oneself get that way is probably a lot healthier.
Syk, that 1st post was genius & tell all. Love you for it. You are right. I’ve never had a weight problem but I do not care about someone’s weight. I look for good bone structure & confidence. You can always lose the weight but if you are ugly faced & skinny, you’re gene pool is not wanted. I never understood the hatred for fat people all of my life but I got a sense for it when working at a charity job when a fat girl would not do her part. Then I knew why people don’t like fat people, they are lazy. Well, the girl lost the weight w/the help of Adderoll & guess what? She’s still a lazy piece of crap.
I really don’t want to look at so many rolls at once! Scary…
This is so interesting.Sexy is sexy-its a matter of taste.Don’t be disgusted that part of a models job is to be thin.
Health is what matters.I have seen some people who are morbidly obese out jock-NO SWEAT-everyone!! Health does not have a weight attached unless your body says so!! I should not and try not to carry weight-bad hips since I was a kid. Real sorry but my Mom got diabetes after age 70……sorry. Listen to your body-it will tell all.
Wow! I have to admit…I’m horrified that this has turned into a skinny vs. fat thing, although I guess that’s what the article is intended to discuss.
Everyone – step off of Syko – she’s awesome
@ Syko – you go girl! I’m annoyed that anyone insinuated your beauty and your comfort with yourself is anything less than normal. And…btw.. I completely get what you meant by stepping in the bars and taking what you want – IF you want. I didn’t take it that you were trolling or anything else.
I guess this just shows where society is today, when we place the value of a person solely on their aesthetics, rather than the nature of the person.
To Syko, you’re absolutely right. Skinny people can have their gall bladders removed, too. I’m proof of that. I had mine removed at 26, weighing only 103lbs. The fact that to so many people, skinny = healthy and beautiful, while fat = unhealthy and ugly is very disturbing. The attitude and self-esteem of a person, or lack of, radiates from the person, regardless of their weight. Two women who weigh the same amount, with the exact same proportions, can wear the exact same outfit, but the one that exudes self-confidence will always be the one who gets noticed.
Well .. back in the day I was a skinny minnie … but I was also extremely unhealthy. Then I got kidney disease, went on dialysis and then got a transplant and grew with the combo of being deathly ill and now being on steriods. But no one sees that as the reason .. oh no!! Surely I am fat because I am an overeater.
It has literally gotten so bad .. and I am ashamed as hell as I admit this here .. but heck .. you guys don’t know me from Adam .. I have become agoraphobic.
I do not go out any more to speak of. I go out when I have to go pick up my meds and to have the groceries I buy online put into my car. Ya .. you haven’t lived til you are a big girl and you go food shopping .. ya .. real treat to be sure.
And young women are the worst of all! Some of these chicks have the b*lls to actually walk up and make comments. It was the fear I would smack the bejesus out of these people that led me to stay home and started me on the fun road to full blown agoraphobia.
I think it’s wonderful Mr. Nimoy has a compassionate heart and is doing what he can to encourage large women to love themselves and NOT to be like me. Trapped inside ..
sorry but getting back to the point of the women in the photo – isn’t it really about acceptance of all kinds of people? Who are we to say who’s overweight and isn’t. If those women are happy with how they look then it’s their life to live.
Jesus, live and let live for crissakes. And by the way, why not show a bunch of fat guys so they can be criticized too?
Let me tell you a little truth that nobody likes. THE TRUTH is that you can be UNHEALTHY at a THIN or even “accepted” weight as overweight. The strain on the heart is evidenced in EKG’s. Obesity carries risks NO DOUBT. However, NOT ALL overweight people will develop those risks. MANY overweight peoople ARE very healthy. Likewise, skinny or acceptable weight people are EQUALLY at risk. The ultra thin who restrict their diets to 1200 cals or less or go on those LOVELY protein diets, develop kidney, liver, and other CHARMING side effects as they get older. The lazy “normal size” person who happens to have a fast metabolic rate likewise develops plaque in the arteries, and other concerns due to lack of exercise.
You do not have to be in the medical profession to establish this. GOOGLE is your friend.
The argument here is absurd. If you are overweight and healthy or underweight and healthy, HEALTHY is the key. AT RISK does not make you UNHEALTHY.
Good lord stop getting medical degrees out of crackerjack boxes….
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Um, just wanted to point out that it should be “Mr. Spock”, not “Dr. Spock”. Dr. Spock is the guy who wrote the child rearing books. Mr. Spock was Leonard Nimoy’s Vulcan character on Star Trek.
Now you can get back to your argument.
@Evie: Hahah I haven’t watched Star Trek in a while. I will fix that. π
HA HA Xiaoecho!!!! So true!!
I agree with size not predicting health. People who are saying that fat is gross etc, are usually really obsessed with how THEY look.
Sure most heavy people would like to lose some weight (me included), but I’m not going to sit at home crying and feeling like less of a person.
Fat haters need to leave “fatties” alone and worry about their own lives. It’s each persons own business what they do with their bodies.
I’d rather be fat and happy then thin and miserable!!!
“Some instincts are intrinsic… because generally well-proportioned women (wider hips than waist, ample bosom, etc.) are more likely to be fertile and survive childbirth.”
You might want to look at your own brainwashing quotient. Breast size has absolutely NOTHING to do with fertility or successful breast feeding. If it did, the whole of Asia would look a lot different.
“People who are saying that fat is gross etc, are usually really obsessed with how THEY look.”
I’m not self-obsessed and I’m saying that fat is gross. No, I don’t hate fat people and I think they can look when clothed. Women especially can get away with a bit of extra weight. But have you ever had a boyfriend who developed a pot belly? I have. Trust me, it’s foul. My disgust had nothing to do with his health, it was purely an aesthetic concern.
While it is admirable that Nimoy wants to point out the beauty in these women, let’s face it, the book is not going to be a best seller, nor will it change the ages old debate on fat vs. skinny. Unfortunately the coffee table book will more than likely be a source for ridicule, rather than a pictoral eye opener showing the beauty of those with “Rubenesque” figures. I have been on both ends of the spectrum weight wise. I was always “encouraged” to lose a few pounds after I started college. Comments like “your cheeckbones would be so pretty if you just took off a few pounds” or “You need to lose that “baby fat” (which was actually Dorito and Taco Bell fat!) When I lost weight and not intentionally losing more than I should have, I had people telling me how gaunt, sickly, unattractive I was. “A few pounds you would be stunning!” I came to the conclusion that no matter who you are, famous or not, fat or skinny, toned or flabby, there are always people who criticize you on how they think you should look. Society, as a whole, is an unhappy bunch. We always have a beauty ideal to comment or complain about. Rarely do we say “They look great”, there is always something to pick on and tear apart. I am guilty of it myself. The topic of weight is as controversial these days as politics and religion, maybe even more so.
I just find it rather amusing how all the anti fatties always point out that is it isn’t “healthy.”
As if you really care
PFFFFT
Awww, now I loves me some Nimoy even more! And to all my sisters that I see here are who working on being healthy rather than working on conforming to an ideal: I’m right there with ya! Devilgirl, you’re so right, you can’t please everyone and trying to do so will kill you. Working on pleasing yourself! (and distribute unconditional compliments to friends and family at every opportunity)
I have to agree with elisha. I think that being extremely overweight is similar to being extremely underweight. As a society we say that anorexia is a disease and for the most part I believe we do not, as a whole glamorize it. We say that these people need help. People who are obese run the risk of severe damage to their bodies just as people who are underweight. I admire Dr. Spock for what he is trying to do but at the same time I worry that it might encourage society to accept that being obese is not something to frankly address just as anorexia does.
You know, the bigger society gets, the more we’re told by various mediums to ‘accept’ it. Ya know why? because its a shit load easier than putting down the oreo, getting off your fat ass and going for a walk.
Those women aren’t a ‘little overweight’ or ‘voluptous’ they’re O B E S E.
Ok, all I want to say is I am a bigger woman. I get regular check-ups of cholesterol, blood pressure, heart, diabetes etc, etc.
I am very healthy. I am 34, and a size 16 to 17 and 5’4″ {I am disabled, but still I go out and walk. I am a Semi-Retired Vet Tech/Assistant.}
I have junk in the trunk (as they say) and I love it! I live in the cold North of Canada and its called insulation. LOL
I walk everyday with my dog (she is 10 years old) and watch what I eat. Our genetics is part of all our DNA when it comes to being bigger. Why starve ourselves to look like something were not???
Not everyone can be 135lbs and 5’4″ and feel good about them selves. If you feel good at 165lbs and 5’4″ then be so. Like good grief. There are so many stereo types out there and racism. There are war waged in Religion…whats next, picking up Arms coz one side thinks you should be smaller or bigger than you should be? *sighs*
We have enough to worry about other than who is fat and who is skinny. Like if some dummy is going to press a button and were all going to glowing in the dark because of Radiation poisoning.
Just coz one lady looks one way does not mean everyone should.
Some are meant to be big and some are meant to be small. Just like height.
The same with guys.
I am not saying that being morbidly obese is good for ya…neither is being bone thin (Anorexic) either.
But just coz your big does not mean your 100% sure to be eating all the time, nor does it mean immediate Diabetes.
Also the whole being sexy or not on the outside to guys or girls is irrelevant. Its how you feel about yourself inside. It radiates on the out side. That is why there is different men and women. Some are attractive to some, but not others. It is in our genetic structure to be so.
I say Mr. Nimoy has the right idea.
Everyone should be accepted for who they are, no matter what their size is.
I’ll leave you all with this…
“Fat is just skinny with an attitude!!!”
Don’t like it…Don’t look at it…is my attitude!!!
IMHO, of course. π
I think it’s great the Nimoy is challenging how we look at beauty. Beauty isn’t only Heidi Klum or Daniel Craig.
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