Natalie Portman on Harvard: “I gained my freshman fifteen or 20”

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As we talked about yesterday, Natalie Portman is the January cover girl for Vogue Magazine. I’m still not a huge fan of the cover shot (below) – she looks so weepy. But the rest of the shoot isn’t much better. Anyway, Vogue has finally released their complete photo shoot (the photographer is Peter Lindbergh) and cover interview (full piece at Vogue here). Here are some highlights:

On doing ballet as a kid: With posture as straight as if she never hunched to text, she sits on a banquette at the Café Sabarsky and recalls years of ballet as a child on Long Island—“Two hours a day after school, five hours on Saturdays. When I started acting, I knew I’d have to downgrade to twice a week and would no longer be in the best class, so I stopped. The dance training for Black Swan started a year before the film, with two hours a day. Six months later we ramped it up to five hours a day, and the last two months it was eight hours a day, because we added choreography and cross training, so I was also swimming a mile a day. The discipline was good for the part—it hurt a lot; your body is in constant pain.” Like most dancers, she survived on coffee and ibuprofen, and slept five hours a night.

On her eating habits: A vegetarian at home and a vegan when out, she orders a thoroughly eccentric meal: field greens followed by a soft pretzel with mustard, and an elderflower spritzer. “Is that it?” I ask. “I swear, I eat. I ate a bagel an hour ago. I consume my own weight in hummus every day. I cook a lot, and I even do vegan baking. I like pleasure, I like joy. I’d never get to the point where I would starve or injure myself like Nina does. I’m the opposite—when I’m hungry, I eat, and I always make sure I’m eating something delicious. I’m tough on myself in terms of the standards I want to live up to, but that’s also part of my pleasure: knowing you are being your fullest self. Being your fullest self is a lot of work.”

Portman is given to extremes: “It’s almost more important for me to be going at something full force than what the specific thing actually is.”

On sex scenes, etc: When Darren Aronofsky first met her to discuss Black Swan—at Howard Johnson’s in Times Square, of all places—it was ten years ago, Portman was a junior in college, and there was no script. “He explained it was about an artist who has a double and battles with her own ego, and said, ‘You will have a sex scene with yourself.’” She has two: the first when Nina follows her choreographer’s orders to pleasure herself, and the second with a rival dancer, played by Mila Kunis. The scene is jolting. “Lesbian scenes, sex scenes, they’re all over the place!” says Portman. “But because it’s me, people are shocked. I see the value of a good-girl persona—it’s so easy to subvert it!”

On LA versus NYC: “I’d always been really wary of L.A.; then I realized I liked it. But everyone important to me for my entire life is in New York,” she says—her parents, her best friend, Jeanine Lobell, and her boyfriend, Benjamin. An only child, she has, she says, “fake siblings—I always imagine that’s why I have so many friends. In New York, I have probably 50 people that I’m very close to—so there’s constant interaction, but I don’t really see anyone regularly because it’s 50 people, whereas in Los Angeles I have five friends, and I see them every day. It’s the first time I’ve had really close girlfriends. Kate and Laura Mulleavy have schedules that are similar to mine, so we can go for a hike at noon, or to the museum in the middle of the day.” Kate and Laura’s inspiration for the Rodarte tutus in the movie was the Degas bronze statue of the little dancer with the torn tulle skirt at the Norton Simon museum in Pasadena.

On developing comedies about women: Portman has started her own production company with a partner, Annette Savitch. Handsomecharlie Films is named after both Chaplin and a—departed—dog of hers. They’ve already produced a comedy called Hesher, starring Joseph Gordon-Levitt, and are developing a girl pot comedy called Best Buds. “We’re very into female comedies; there just aren’t enough. We’re trying to go for that guy-movie tone, like Judd Apatow’s movies, or The Hangover but with women—who are generally not allowed to be beautiful and funny, and certainly not vulgar.”

Portman is in favor of vulgar. “There’s a difference between being in a bra and underpants as an object on a men’s-magazine cover and playing yourself—a woman with desires and needs who loves and laughs with her friends—in a bra and underpants. You become an object if you simply put it out there. Most movies are made by men, it’s totally natural that they’re going to present their worldview, so we’re trying to find more women who are writers and directors who are expressing their worldview. Did you see Tiny Furniture? Lena Dunham wrote, directed, and starred in it; she’s 23, and it is just amazing. She walks around in her underwear for the whole movie; it’s harsh. She’s the subject, she’s not the object, and it’s beautiful—that’s the kind of thing we need more of.”

On being an actor: “The biggest challenge for all actors,” says Portman, “is that you see yourself on a screen outside of your body and have to reenter your body to look at the world through your own eyes instead of at yourself. . . .I try not to read reviews or anything about me. It’s totally natural to be interested, but it’s completely damaging. Over the almost 20 years I’ve been working, I’ve been up, I’ve been down, I’ve been in, I’ve been out. Just getting to do the work is the privilege. I always feel like I have no idea what I’m doing. The one thing you have control over is having a great experience by doing your work fully.”

Portman’s most wobbly moment was at Harvard: “I gained my freshman fifteen or 20 and had superdepressed moments. That Cambridge winter is tough. It was important to know how to go through that and how to get myself out of it. You start learning how to ask your friends or professionals for help, or go to mentors.” At Harvard she confided in Jorie Graham, the Boylston professor of poetry. “She was the kind of woman I wanted to be—sexy and smart. It’s an amazing gift to get to hear someone talk in that way about poetry. Yeats, Eliot—the rhythms of the words stay in your body all day.”

[From Vogue]

Blah – the rest of the article is just all of Natalie’s friends and associates jazzing all over what an extraordinary talent she is. I think Natalie is beautiful, and I do think she’s talented – one of the most talented “under 30” actresses out there. But it depresses me to think that she thinks she has to “do it all”. She’s a tremendous dramatic actress – let’s not go overboard with the “I’m a talented comedienne, and a writer, and a director and a producer” as well. I applaud her for trying different things and stepping out of her comfort zone, but I get the feeling that Natalie is trying to do it all because she thinks she’s so magnificent and brilliant. It’s off-putting. To me, at least.

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  1. leila says:

    She looks pretty, but for some reason she just doesn’t do anything for me. She comes across as cold, refrained and unpersonal.

  2. flutters says:

    Natalie Portman seems pretty articulate. As far as her trying to do it all because she thinks she’s all that, maybe. But it seems like the projects she’s doing with her company are not pretentious and highbrow which makes me feel better about her trying this. On the other hand it doesn’t mean that they’ll be good.

  3. KelBear says:

    I gained my freshman 15 also. I think mainly from the fact that’s when I first had beer. When I went home for the summer after that I lost all the weight.

  4. Gwen says:

    Natalie is trying to do it all because she thinks she’s so magnificent and brilliant.

    This is how she seems to me too. It’s gets old really fast. Especially because she seems very cold. Cold and humourless.

  5. Johnny Depp's Girl says:

    I have respect for her as an actress. She went to college as well. I think she will be around for a long time.

  6. LOVE ANGELINA says:

    I love the pictures and I loved the little section of interview you highlighted. I like that Nat has her hand in so many things, as a woman you can go so far in acting, I love that she pushes herself and goes for bigger and better things. I think Nat is such an awesome role model. I just really like a go-getter spirit.

  7. francesca says:

    Her friends all find her hilarious.

  8. Solveig says:

    Probably I’m the only person in here who doesn’t think that Natalie Portman thinks that “she’s so magnificent and brilliant”.
    To me she’s just a young woman who tries to grow out of the image HW (or success) gave her, she’s trying to find her true self and I can’t blame her for doing it.
    She seems self-aware but that doesn’t make her a snotty snob, imo.
    The two pictures of hers sitting in the armchair and in the sofa are just beautiful.

  9. Obvious says:

    as a dramatic actress under 30, very few can beat her. She’s amazing. the rest of her is just blah.

    Mila can pull off both!

  10. Raven says:

    She’s talented and articulate. She seems at a point in life, though, where everything is so serious. She never smiles and it is like she’s lost her sense of humor. Hopefully, she’ll get over this phase and become a little lighter.

  11. Hakura says:

    I would never say she isn’t beautiful, very smart, and very talented. And she’s worked very hard to get where she is.

    But she doesn’t come across like someone you could easily have a conversation with. Like… she’d be looking down on you the entire time (with that ‘aw, thats so cute, you think you’re smart like me.’ smile on her face), speaking with confidence but also an incredible amount of ego.

  12. Riley says:

    Have you ever seen the movie Beautiful Girls? It was filmed in the 90s and has an ensemble cast, but the stars are really Natalie Portman and Timothy Hutton. It is one of my favorite movies, and I think it was NP’s first film (I could be wrong). Anyway, she was only 11 or 12 when the movie was made and she was absolutley adorable in it. Even though she may take herself more seriously now, it is refreshing to see a well adjusted child grow into a well adjusted adult. I like too what she said about the professor of poetry. I don’t know if I will see Black Swan and I definately won’t see No Strings Attached, but I do think she is a great talent. I just wish she would pick refreshing roles, like Beautiful Girls.

  13. l says:

    Brunette Gwyneth.

  14. Gypsy says:

    The smarter you are the less you smile, you’re just too busy thinking and doing stuff.
    Check out smart people like Founders of Microsoft, Facebook, Oracle and you’ll see the same look.
    Smart people do to impress not smile to impress.

  15. LittleDeadGirl says:

    I have alot of love for her because she is articulate and smart and does have a good head on her shoulder (nice for young girls to have a role model like her rather than the Miley and Lindsay) BUT I think because being in Hollywood she is surrounded by the bobble heads her sense of self worth is quiet inflated. I’m sorry I WANT to like her because so much about her is awesome on paper but when I hear her speak I cringe. She just has that “I’m so much better than you” vibe … intentional or not …

  16. Kaiser says:

    KJ – What I wrote was just my opinion. You have a different opinion, which is fine, and you are free to comment about that. But if you continue to be abusive towards ME, you will be banned.

  17. Embee says:

    She lives in a ridiculous world and she seems to understand that, even to be a little self-conscious about it. If she were plain she probably wouldn’t get the “snob” comments.

  18. dread pirate cuervo says:

    Gorgeous, just beautiful! Love her, love the bitchface, love the disconnected ice queeniness. But the story about the freshman 15? Bald-faced lie. Just admit you have to be anal about your weight b/c you’re an actor. No shame in admitting the truth.

  19. tiredofrumers says:

    she’s soooooooooo boring and high-and-mighty. she was good in black swan, sure, but i’m sure playing a frigid bitch wasn’t a stretch for her.

    fishsticks part deux.

  20. Michelle says:

    @Gypsy…Riiiiiight….

  21. KJ says:

    Kaiser – All I want is my original post back. I understand you all don’t have a comment moderator, and sometimes things get deleted accidentally. Fine, shit happens, right? But to have my post arbitrarily deleted while there are dozens floating around that are CLEARLY abusive and spam is a bit of an insult. Especially when I took the time to be civil and constructive rather than a straight up asshole. I only became hostile when my words were taken down seemingly without reason. I apologize for being a bitch, but all I ask is that you guys be a little more consistent about which posts break the rules and which do not.

  22. Crash2GO2 says:

    Hmmm. It seems they photoshopped her arms into oblivion on the cover.

  23. Kaiser says:

    KJ – I moderate comments in between writing and editing. Yes, I don’t catch everything, but when I do catch something that I find abusive, I will delete it (sidenote: this is why people should report comments that they find abusive – because I don’t catch everything).

    Some days I get more irritated than others, but at the end of the day, I found your comment over the line. You like Portman – fine. You want to defend her – fine. Just don’t have a hissy fit on me just because I’m not her biggest fan.

  24. Um yeah says:

    Maybe I am the only one who finds it weird that Natalie is almost 30 years old and people are still talking about her degree. Which is great, getting an education is always a wonderful way to improve yourself. But seriously, why is it always brought up? No really someone please tell me. It is almost as if she needs people to be reminded continuously about her degree so audiences will give her acting and projects the benefit of the doubt. Maybe I am off about that, but if she didn’t need that extra boost would it really be brought up so frequently?

  25. mln76 says:

    @Hakura I think her first film was the Professional I remember at the time it was really controversial because it’s a violent sexualized role and she was only 12. I just saw the Black Swan last night she was really,really good in it. I have to say that she is talented deserves her nominations but she doesn’t really emit nice vibes and from what I hear about her she is a typical bitchy/snobbish girl from Long Island.

  26. Bunny says:

    Is there an interview where she doesn’t mention Harvard, how many years ago was that.

    Don’t get me wrong, she is beautiful ,but boring.

  27. Flipper says:

    Why shouldn’t she do it all if she can, would we be having this same argument if it was a guy doing this interview.

    In Hollywood the shelf life of an actress seems to expire when they reach 40, so it just shows how smart she is opening up other avenues for herself, that said she always comes across as a standoffish but maybe it’s just her way of protecting herself in a land of dumb cluck D-listers and the misogynistic male Hollywood hierarchy.

  28. Gypsy says:

    Her education/degree is worthy of mention because in Hollywood it’s not a common occurrence for actors to have such a prestige educational background.

    I don’t need for my actor to smile off the screen, I don’t need a politician to be like me or have a beer with me.
    In fact I would be uncomfortable if he/she was a grinning idiot or an idiot reflection of me..then I’d have no reason to pay money to see that person.

  29. Gypsy says:

    I get the impression you folks are shopping for a roommate not an actor.
    Boring
    Aloof
    Stand-offish
    not a smiler
    Cold
    What do you think you’re getting when you buy a movie ticket, ownership of the actor/actress?

  30. KJ says:

    THANK. YOU. FLIPPER.

    It’s so sad that, even today, with all the progress women have made, if a chick is ambitious, she’s probably a condescending twat according to most people. Maybe the girl just sees all the opportunities in front of her to do awesome things. I know I would try any and everything if I were her. She’s not my fav person, she seems level headed enough, and I agree with some above that she reads boring and cold. But hate her because she’s trying to do more than just act? Cause she’s doing constructive work? Puh. Leaze.

    We wouldn’t be having the same argument if this was a man. Not at all.

  31. Embee says:

    Flipper: you make the point I was trying to make, but better. If you are a woman you may either be pretty or smart; if you are a man you may be both (Clooney, Damon, Affleck). No one bashes Nia Vardalos for being an actor/writer/producer/director, because she does not threaten this dynamic.

    PS I do find Vardalos pretty, but she isn’t envy-inducingly pretty like Portman.

  32. KJ says:

    @Gypsy – I think I’m def on the same page as you. Unless a celeb is an outright cunt like Kate Gosselin, I don’t care if she smiles or not, or is “boring.” I’m not buying movie tickets to sit next to her and have girl talk. I’m buying it because she looks like a great actress in it, and it’s a movie I’m interested in seeing.

    Sean Penn is a HUGE douche, but he’s a phenomenal actor, and unless he’s being a huge douche to me or in public, then I really don’t care.

  33. Liana says:

    I actualy don’t see most of her movies because she IS a pretentious bitch. I have met her, I have lived near her, and I have seen her bitchiness in action. Is she pretty? Yeah. Is she a good actress? With the right script, yeah. But she usually leaves me a little cold and I rarely become invested in her characters. Am I jealous? Hells no. My days of wanting to be an actress are long over, I’m passably pretty, have a very good education, and a happy marriage.

  34. LittleDeadGirl says:

    @Gypsy: The difference is that I’m voting for a politician based on intelligence while I’m watching an actor based on relatebility. Her intelligence is really of no concern to me save where it applies to her work specifically. I’m not shopping for a roommate but if I find her snobbish than that will lead me to not like her or watch her movies. If she wants her personality to not matter than just direct or wrote or produce. That’s purely cerebral.

    Penn’s douchiness got to me after a while and I just can’t stand to see him on films anymore because his IRL personality, in my opinion, bleeds into his work.

    However, I think Portman is smart and I think it’s smart of her to branch off into different areas. I don’t dislike her yet but her general coldness does put me off her so the two balance out in the sense I won’t go see a movie to see her but I also won’t not see it just cause she’s in it …

  35. Hakura says:

    @LittleDeadGirl (#34)- I agree with your comment in it’s entirety =)

    @mln76 (#25) – I do admit that Black Swan looks amazing, and that she’s a great actress. She doesn’t take the same role over and over like so many actresses these days, demands the projects she works on be of a certain quality. I can tell she works her ass off on everything she does, as well.

    I guess I’m just a sort of person who can go see a movie and enjoy it… and admire an actor/actress for their ability acting, but have trouble being a ‘fan’ of someone who comes off like they would judge themselves superior, even to those who have helped them get where they are by supporting them.

    But I’d be much quicker to be a fan of actual talent than of someone who stumbles through their career drunk and in various states of undress. xD

  36. whattt says:

    she’s amazing. I just saw the Black Swan last night and she truly deserves an Oscar for it.

  37. Gypsy says:

    I have been overwhelmed, by those telling little girl not to look serious or smart, just walk around giggling so you won’t come across as superior.

    On the other hand maybe it’s not she who is acting superior but us having an inferiority complex, so we see a confident woman as “acting superior”.

  38. wunderkindt says:

    Forget about the undergrad degrees and weight gain at Harvard. You really pack the weight on in Grad school!

    You can almost tell what year someone is by how much weight they’ve gained. It’s stressful and bagels are everywhere!

  39. Mika says:

    Can we all for a second think about how she was in the Star Wars prequels??? And sucked balls in them??? And in the add for that Ashton Kutcher film??

  40. janie says:

    gwyneth with college degree.

  41. Vee says:

    Liana – I always appreciate your opinions as you work in the industry. Thank you.

  42. Mikunda says:

    amazing, always loved her – how come they never gave her an oscar?

  43. jc126 says:

    She is smart and beautiful. I wonder if she ever misses Gabriel Garcia Bernal. If I had gone out with him, I’d have mauled him daily.

  44. TG says:

    @Gypsy – You had me laughing too hard about the roommate comment.

    Natalie might be pretentious but I would take 10 intelligent Natalies over 1 Hohan, Gosslin, Britney Spears any day of the week.

  45. april says:

    but she is totally loveable in “where the heart is”

  46. original kate says:

    she looks gorgeous.

  47. Um yeah says:

    @Gypsy: Maybe I have a problem with her degree being brought up so frequently is because having one is not all that infrequent in Hollywood. People just assume that because not everyone brings it up in every interview they have. Anne Hathaway went to what, NYU, Meryl Streep went to Yale, Emma Watson is attending Brown now. Those are just the people I could think of off the top of my head and that does not even include male actors. She just reminds me of those kids in school that constantly had to compare grades with you. I would respect her and her intelligence more if she never mentioned it again. Or maybe I simply find it annoying because I honestly believe that people have let her get away with generally less than stellar acting performances because of her degree and past success as a child star. Up until Black Swan her performances have been variable at best. The fact that she has to continually remind us all how smart she is says more about what she is not capable of than what she is.

  48. JenJen says:

    I am surprised so many people don’t like Natalie or find her boring. I love both her movies “Where the Heart Is” and “Anywhere But Here” with Susan Sarandon, I watch them everytime I see them on and never get tired of them.

  49. kimberly says:

    She’s acting in every interview. It’s her job.

    she’s still too pretentious to take seriously.

  50. Trillion says:

    Yeah, she gained her Freshman 15. Ounces.

  51. Hmmm says:

    I saw her in V for Vendetta. I consider her a lightweight. I certainly don’t see what all the fuss is about.

  52. Mrs. Darcy says:

    I don’t care that’s she’s a somewhat cold, mildly pretentious seeming type, I really don’t. If she were an actress who changed that impression in any of her roles I might really love her. I have tried, but I just have never 100% believed her in most things. I like her choices, I thought she was endearingly precocious as a young actress, and I admire her for not being Lyndsey Lohan. I will see The Black Swan because it looks good (hello Vincent!), but I really don’t grasp what other people see as amazing acting from her. She doesn’t annoy me the way that other NY brat Claire Danes does though! I think she looks amazing in these photos and wish she would rock her curls more often.

  53. Kay says:

    Vegan. Cool.

  54. monsley says:

    Mika – thank you!

    Her being in the trashy Star Wars prequels didn’t make me look down on her per se– it was just the fact that she was so utterly terrible in them.

    I can understand a good actor being encumbered by bad writing (and goodness, were there oodles of bad writing there) but Ewan McGregor was also there, also spitting out bad lines, and still managed to bring out a quality performance.

    If she were as good an actor as she is supposed to be, OR if she hadn’t felt as if the material were beneath her, I would imagine she would have been on par with him. She wasn’t.

    Which leaves me to ponder which is it? Is she a great actress when she feels like it, or is she only as good as whoever is directing her? If it’s the first, I’m afraid I can’t respect that. Do not take the paycheck job and half-ass it; take the paycheck job and be as good as you can be despite the circumstances. These were three films she was in, she definitely could have stepped up. And if she’s the second– then she is Marky Mark 2. Hardly the second coming, but can take your breath away if bolstered by top-notch surroundings– which is a certain kind of talent indeed, just not so OMGWTFBBQ.

    That said, props on her education, and goodness that girl is a stunner.

  55. LittleDeadGirl says:

    I have no inferiority complex nor am I threatened by another woman who is smart and beautiful and serious. That being said, she is pretentious, I’ve not seen one of her supporters defend that, I just keep seeing that either those of who don’t like her MUST be jealous of her because she won’t have a pillow fight in our rooms with us (oh I shed tears) or that we want women back in the kitchen gosh darn it and not acting all high and mighty.

    I’m the biggest supporter of women getting an education. I’m getting my masters in biology, I want to go to Vet school and become a doctor. I tell all my nieces to go to school and pay attention in math and science so they can change the world and not just brighten it with pretty smiles. BUT, Portman is an actress and her job is for us to like her and for her to mold herself to a role. I think like Goopy she resents that her paychecks comes from us little people. She might not and in the end I appreciate her as a role model for little girls much more than I am irritated by her pretentiousness but it wouldn’t kill her to be a little humble, and not because she’s a woman, but because she’s a human being.

  56. Sara says:

    This is amusing from the article!!
    “A vegetarian at home and a vegan when out, she orders a thoroughly eccentric meal: field greens followed by a soft pretzel with mustard, and an elderflower spritzer.

    A vegetarian at home and a vegan when out?? Good grief, then you are NOT a vegan, am I right?? It’s like the people that say they are vegetarians except they eat chicken, turkey, and fish. Hello, then you are not a vegetarian. Vegan’s don’t eat animal products and vegetarians don’t eat meat. She probably eats a lot of cheese at home because she doesn’t want to be seen eating it out LOL

  57. okaythen says:

    Could one refuse to wear the clothes chosen by the magazine due to one’s personal beliefs or is there no choice in the matter (ie, the J. Mendel–a fur company–dress on the cover)?

  58. K-MAC says:

    stunning!

  59. Miss Thang says:

    She does seem like a very serious person, and I don’t see anything wrong wtih that. Even in her lighter roles I think she’s come accross as serious (I’m thinking of Mr. Magorium), and I think that’s a problem. She was a cute kid, but I feel like she plays herself in movies and that is not what a good actor does. I am not interested in seeing Natalie Portman the ballet dancer and Natalie Portman the Boleyn girl. Those are supposed to be completely different people, but somehow I always feel like I’m looking at Natalie Portman playing Natalie Portman in a different situation.
    I had high hopes for her, but she’s not lived up to them so far.
    Maybe doing a little comedy will help? It would certainly help her image if she could pull it off.
    I don’t blame her for wanting to try different things. I’m that way, too. I want to try about 15 different careers out and there are so many options in this life why wouldn’t you if you had the opportunity??