It looks like stress really is affecting Madonna’s health

Last week we reported on a story that Madonna’s health was suffering from the stress of her “emotional affair” with Alex Rodriguez and the resulting fallout on her marriage.

The gossip has really been insane – partly because of the novelty factor (who the hell knew Madonna and A-Rod even knew each other?), how many people it ended up involving, and the way it managed to span at least three countries. You can argue whether or not Madge brought it on herself, but it seems pretty clear that she’s suffering from a good deal of stress as a result.

Madonna left the Kabbalah Center in New York City on Friday night looking “tired” as WENN kindly put it – and “looking borderline human,” as TMZ less charitably phrased it. Though I’m going to have to admit that TMZ’s description seems a little more accurate.

My first reaction was wondering if Madonna got terrible plastic surgery because her cheekbones are so prominent. But she’s been consistently photographed for the last several ways, so that’s nearly impossible. Looking at her closely, it seems pretty clear that Madge has lost some weight – nearly all of it in her face.

Considering she’s always been such a health freak and certainly didn’t need to lose a pound, I’m guessing it’s stress weight. Here’s Madonna Friday night. Photographer: Michael Carpenter. Images thanks to WENN.

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  1. drm says:

    She just looks f’ing awful! Nosferatu…

  2. Alina says:

    OMG, she doesn’t look good at all. And her arms.. Scary!

  3. C says:

    1) we’re used to seeing her with tons of makeup on

    2) it’s obvious at some point in the last year, she’s gotten cheek implants.. I’m thinking right around her induction into the hall of fame when she got a bunch of botox. look at her older pictures. they’re clearly a LOT more prominent than before.

  4. daisyfly says:

    Dear GOD, you’d think with all that money, she could have afforded to go to the BEST plastic surgeon, and not the most unKNOWN one…talk about butterface!

  5. Anon says:

    Her huge cheek implants looked OKish as long as she had some facial fat to surround them. Now that fat is gone, it looks just freakish.

  6. Nan says:

    A stunt. Paltrow did this no makeup look a few weeks back. Look at all the attention she got for a day. Sure Madonna lost weight but the dark cheek contour is obvious. You’ll see, just when it is time to tour and hopefully break records, all of a sudden she’ll look fabulous! She’ll share her revival ‘secret’ and try to sell us on that. Even her roots are fake. They are always the same length. You never see the roots getting done and then watch them grow out. She’s the best marketer out there. If she really looked this sick and tired she wouldn’t let herself be seen or photographed like this. Not with all of her money. And with all of her money she wouldn’t be sporting dark roots on a single-color dye job. Question anything this person tries to portray herself as.

  7. Nan says:

    Love how they photoshopped her right arm. They forgot the sleeve, though. Of course, her arm and face not consistant going in the chapel as it is exiting a mere few hours later.

  8. Nan says:

    JayBird, you believe this story? Since I am up, I will expose this for what it is. I’ve been doing this for the last few years. She’s wearing makeup, concealer and mineral powder brushed over. 98% of people with her coloring over 30, the skin around eyes is always a different shade than the rest of their face. She’s wearing white pearly highlighter under her brows & atop her cheekbone ridge and dark contour under the apples. She’s probably using a lash tint and a tiny bit of eyeliner on the top lid. Just don’t do anything to your lips & you too can appear to be all natural. Pfft!

  9. Lola says:

    She will feel much better if she put on a little weight. I can’t imagine calling her an adulterer can cause that much stress. She is not big on conscience. I hope she slows down. That is why I love Tom Cruise, all the sleeze has never affected his health.

  10. xiaoecho says:

    Lola……er, I assume you mean his PHYSICAL health. Over the last 5 years he’s completely lost touch with reality

    It’s amazing how much a persons looks can change according to whether they are happy or not.

    Poor thing looks miserable…..wonder if her marriage really is on the rocks

  11. mizzmish says:

    poor thing? ha! This is just her outside matching her inside. She is a living fable. She is as ugly on the outside as she is on the inside!

  12. Carrie says:

    I agree she’s had something done to her cheeks. The stress and maybe losing some weight has made the work she’s had done appear more obvious. Let’s face it, she looks like hell in these pictures.

    And the arms!….the arms!….aaaaargh! Whenever I see them I think of this plastic toy raptor with swivelling arms that my son played with when he was little.

  13. Darlene says:

    Her left arm looks all especially freaky because it’s being pushed out by the bag she has over her left shoulder.

    Her face looks puffy and weird, different than when she went into the center, probably because she’s been crying. I cry in church sometimes. She has a lot to cry about right now.

    That said, I believe this is yet another publicity stunt. Pharrell just stated recently that he admired her most for her “ability to manipulate a rumor” (or something like that). Perhaps this was one rumor that got spun way beyond her control and now she’s truly suffering as a result.

    Personally, I never saw her as a very feeling person, so I’m not sure she is suffering, only continuing to manipulate.

  14. ri23 says:

    Be nice, people. It’s hard to look good when you’re looking for those pesky Hobbit-ses and the precious. Damn you, Frodo!

  15. daisy424 says:

    @c I think you’re right about the implants, she was trying to cover up her bruised eyes with big sunglasses a while back.

    Agree with Daisyfly, you would think she could afford the best surgeon, but I think her weight loss accentuates the implants.

    I don’t worry about Madonna, she always comes out ‘on top’, so to speak. 😆

    My thoughts are with her children.

  16. Maritza says:

    She has no cheek implants! it’s only weight loss, she is definitely depressed because of all the bad press she has received. She probably thought no one would find out, now she has to deal with the guilt of having broken a family with kids and her own marriage. And on top of all that, poor Lourdes must be suffering all the embarassment.

  17. xiaoecho says:

    Lourdes looks stunning

  18. Kaiser says:

    Cheek implants, eye lift, and whatever they do to tighten the jawline. A waddlescomy?

    All that and man-arms. She really is a prize!

  19. lola lola says:

    Those cheek implants are truly creepy. I mean how can anyone take a look at Phoebe Price and think that those things could look good on anybody. They make your eyes look totally sunken–disgusting! I hope she has them taken out. It will make her look well rested to go back to the normal contours of her face. She’ll get through this. She’s as tough as they come. Go M Go!

  20. bros says:

    her cheek implants are so big it looks like she’s having trouble closing her lips together!

  21. Anastasia says:

    Dear Lord. The crypt keeper. I tend to agree with Nan. Madonna is the ultimate manipulator.

    And Lola, you love Tom Cruise?

    Suddenly I understand so much about you.

  22. Anastasia says:

    By the way, her shirt says 1-888-2CONFESS, a Catholic confession hotline.

    Is she trying to say something with the shirt, too?

  23. A.J. says:

    1-888-2CONFESS is not a Catholic hotline. It was/is a promotional phone number that fans (Hell, anyone) could call and leave messages (“confessions”) on to be posted on Madonna’s website. It was launched to coincide with her last album “Confessions on a Dance Floor” which was actually a really good album, unlike the crap she’s churned out this time, imo.

    I think even she realizes that this newest album was crap, hence the stirring up of all the over-the-top, in-your-face, incessant, TMI drama. I for one minute don’t buy that “stress is affecting [her] health.” Everyone seems so quick to forget that this woman is one of if not THE best media manipulator of the last twenty years. It’s all illusion: everything we see is what she wants us to see. Choosing to believe it, however, is another story.

    Michael K sums it up better than I can:
    http://dlisted.com/node/27391

  24. daisy424 says:

    She must be bench pressing A-Rod not screwing him. Give her a can of spinach, she will be fine.

  25. poopie says:

    POPEYE ARMS ! and now CHEEK IMPLANTS.. or maybe hiding nuts for the winter???????? and someone PUHLEEZZEE get lourdes to a salon and get her waxed !! those EYEBROWS are scaring me ! heck, wax her entire face except for the eyelashes. too much HAIR !!

    BOTH JUST WAAAAAAYY GROSS

  26. LiLi says:

    she is one horrible role model for her daughter

  27. nag says:

    Why can’t people appreciate their age instead of being a victim to it? God she looks terrible.

  28. A.J. says:

    Poopie, your comments are disgusting and uncalled for. Attack Madonna all you want, but it’s quite unfair to bring her children into the matter. Lourdes has nothing to do with public perception of her mother, and for you to attack her just shows your true character. Piece of shit.

  29. Anastasia says:

    I agree with A.J. Lourdes is ELEVEN years old. You know where all this obsession with looks and aging first comes from? The constant criticism women get starting when they are just CHILDREN. They internalize it and turn it on themselves and think they have to go broke spending money on expensive useless treatments and even surgeries.

    So leave the kid the hell alone. She’s a fucking kid. My 13 year old daughter has tons of freckles, should I take her posthaste to a cosmetic surgery in the mall so she can get them bleached off? Hell no. She’s gorgeous the way she is. And she loves her freckles. I’m glad. They are part of who she is.

    To be more concise: leave the kids alone.

  30. poopie says:

    That’s QUEEN PIECE OF SHIT please

    i was just noting that her mother, being the perfectionist that she THINKS she is, should GROOM her spawn. that’s all.

  31. Bina says:

    It’s like the Picture of Dorian Grey come to life.

  32. zippersgirl says:

    I’m 52 and she makes me look FABULOUS! Thanks Vadge!

  33. Prashant says:

    The New Michael Jackson …

  34. Anne says:

    We see Madonna without makeup all the time, she only wears it when on the carpet or out for dinner with Guy, otherwise after working out or at the airport I recall seeing the photos and wondering why she didn’t use even a little powder or brush her hair, something!

    I’m hoping these pics are photoshopped because she doesn’t look well. The cheek implants are obscene as are her arms.

  35. DLR says:

    Well damn, that’s a really bad picture of Madonna. 😯 The good thing is I look really pretty compared to that picture! 😆

  36. heehee says:

    Publicity stunt– to garner sympathy after these ‘unfavorable’ remarks are circulating about her- from her brothers book and her marriage.
    SHe probably decided to go out with no makeup and to not smile, just to get some publicity and some people more towards her side.
    A real shame.

  37. heehee says:

    And Lourdes looks amazing. Madonna is probably trying to let her have confidence in herself no matter what the cultural standards/taboos are, — to keep her from doing freak things to herself like her mother has!!
    I am fed up with all the shame and embarrasment people have- over their own bodies. Come on, all you women and men ALSO have eyebrows, and armpit hair, and facial hair etc– are you really that ashamed and disgusted by your own bodies that when you see the same on someone else you have to smash it down that badly?
    Lourdes is amazingly gorgeous- she;ll probably grrom herself as she pleases eventually, but she is only 11 and theres too much pressure as is for little girls to make themselves objects too early on, so this is actually a refreshign sight!

  38. Ella says:

    I agree that the arms (and maybe the cheeks?) were photoshopped–and sloppily, at that. I agree, too, that everything she does seems to be a publicity stunt. And I think her brother is guilty of the same.

  39. Carena says:

    I don’t think she looks that bad. After all, the lady is going to be 50 soon.

    One thing though, she really needs to have the mustache talk with her daughter. She is a lovely little girl but unfortunately she received her father’s hairy genes. Nothing a little work can’t remedy.

  40. AP says:

    Pass the torch to Lourdes, Madge. Glad that you are redefining 50 for everyone, but that doesn’t mean trying to hold on to 25.

    And I for one am GLAD that Lourdes isn’t bowing to getting rid of her hair. For one, Lourdes is not seeking out the cameras, she was born into the spotlight. Secondly, she’s a teenager! You’re supposed to go through the awkwardness of whatever your physical appearance is doing. WE all did.

    Looks like she’s def. inherited her mother’s headstrong attitude about being herself. There’s time enough for grooming her self for the camera’s eye.

  41. okay... says:

    Please, she is a master manipulator. There is a story on another site that she may have ghostwritten part of her brother’s book. I wouldn’t doubt it at all. Interesting that all these stories about Madonna suddenly pop up around the time she is getting ready to tour. She is a fame whore extraordinaire. She has always gone for the shock factor-I think she would prefer death over being irrelevant. At least in death she would get press.

  42. Vibius says:

    I want to feel bad for her, but how do we know this isnt fake? Shes gotten more publicity from the A-Rod scandal then shes gotten in the last 10 years. Now this is her way of putting a fire out?

    With Hollywood its so hard to tell when youre not being played.

  43. sue-blah says:

    She looks tired and drawn……wow you people are bitches.

  44. C says:

    i have to add this as a pure conspiracy theory.

    what did people do when britney was publicly displaying all of her dysfunction? people wanted her to get help. she got help, cleaned herself up, and now a lot of people like her again.. well, except me. maybe madonna realized this (putting britney into her touring show) and thought that she herself, playing on people’s sympathies, would get her back into the public’s good graces after her screw-ups. copying her younger counterpart?

  45. She does look like a vampire in these pictures.

  46. Rio says:

    Weirdly, I like how her face looks SANS makeup better than how it has recently looked on the red carpet. I have to say, I’ve never been of an age where Madonna was really ‘hot’ (I’m in my early 20s) but lately, she’s just…disturbing. Photoshopped or not, I really…really…REALLY do not want to see an emaciated, desperate-looking 50-year-old woman thrusting her crotch to all and sundry. And, to counteract possible arguments that I am ‘ageist’, I wouldn’t want to see a desperate 20-something woman doing the same either!
    (God do I miss her “Evita” and “Like a Prayer/League of Their Own” phases…probably just the rockabilly gal in me, but she was SMOKIN’ in those li’l 1940s numbers! 😉 )

  47. frewt says:

    She had a bunch of work done in the last couple of years including tightening of her jaw line, a little eye work and this cheek augmentation which is the only thing that seems a little overdone. It may just be a non permanent filler in which case it will be reabsorbed over time.

  48. Nan says:

    I agree w/everyone above, ‘cept Sue Blah. Don’t come here and judge us. C and Frewt have great points, to add.

  49. tp Vero says:

    The French have a word for it– “douche bag” Of course it is an instrument of cleansing, but in American slang (in its original sense) it meant an older woman who has seen too much action–in a more modern sense it would mean a ‘jerk’.

    I have been thinking Modona looked like an older woman trying to pass for 50, which isn’t that awfully old when you boil it down. But those arms, even with their viable stringy sinew have the look of a much older woman.

    I understand the addictive drug that fame is and after you have honed your craft to a fine science it must be hard to say I am going to retire from performing, but that would be the classy thing for this woman to do, or else she will just turn herself into a freak show.

    If she cared about children and using her fame to do good works, she could be a representative for Unesco or something, and still have a certain amount of fame and press attention, rather than try to compete with a bunch of nubile 20 year olds in the music business. In truth her singing abilities were never anything to write home about. She can’t act really, this was never her gift. A well timed retirement and the realization that time leaves its indelible mark on us all would be something this woman should learn. It is sad I know, but the way of all flesh.

  50. Alexis says:

    Oye vey! Have you seen Esther lately? I’m not saying she’s had any work done but, you could slice warm buttah with those cheeks. I am using the word cheeks very liberally! But, of course, you didn’t hear that from me.

  51. Tania says:

    She needs to stop working out so much, get a tan and get her teeth fixed! Soften up some … Look like a woman instead of a MAN! She doesn’t even have hips anymore! And cheek implants look gross! So do dark roots with blonde hair!

  52. Sarah says:

    Steroids… it’s all from steroids I’d say. 😉

  53. jean says:

    Don’t know what A-Rod’s wife looks like but if Madonna is the better looking of the two I don’t want to see her either…

  54. Wil in Mpls says:

    I am actually worried it might be something more serious with Madonna. I could be wrong with this .. but I do believe her Mom was about this age when she was diagnosed and died form Cancer. [Ooops.. no her Mom was only 30 … however .. still a worry.]

    If she doesn’t have it now .. look for that diagnosis at some point. Sadly – as I know from my family – it is genetic, the predisposition to certain types of Cancer. And stress .. that only makes it worse. 🙁

  55. Dios says:

    she needs to eat
    yea she got surgery so what
    she is not eating proper
    maybe shes over rehearsing for a tour
    but basicallly its this
    she has to eat and gain at least ten pounds
    she looks like she just got out of nazi concontration camp
    thats carryingthe jew thing to far
    MADONNA EAT BUBBALA EAT!

  56. Rainie says:

    We all should take a look in the mirror without makeup.. Actually take a good look, 🙄 better or worse without makeup?

  57. LHF says:

    Not really sure that is Madonna….if so, it doesn’t surprise me because all of these celebrities are just ordinary people with talent and attitudes….came from trailers and got a few bucks so they think they own the world…..in Hollywood, everything and anything goes….no morals or respect…..and it flies in the face of those innocents and “don’t give a damn” people who follow them like they are God! Really sad! Being married 50 times doesn’t bother her or any other excuse for a human being just like her.

  58. CHER says:

    SUCH AN OBVIOUS “”” P L O Y “”” FOR SYMPATHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LOOK AT ALL THE AIRBRUSHING THEY’VE DONE FOR THIS PICTURE. HOW STUPID DO YOU THINK WE ARE?????????????????????

    SHE’S A JERK AND ALL THE PITY SEEKING IN THE WORLD WILL NOT CAHNGE THAT. A-ROD, GET WHAT YOU GET AND DON’T THROW A FIT. YOU 2 NASTY DOGS DESERVE EACH OTHER.

    HER HUSBAND WAS TOO GOOD FOR HER!!!!!!

    A-ROD’S WIFE WAS TOO GOOD FOR HIM!

    THEY DON’T DESERVE THEIR CHILDREN. BUNCH OF WHORISH INSATIABLE PIGS!

    WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH. WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
    OUR HEART BLEEDS FOR YOU MADONNA!
    RIGHT…………………..

  59. Mary says:

    Ok, someone said she didn’t have makeup on and that makes a difference….errrrrrrrr, I’m sorry, but when I wake up in the morning and I have my hair looking like I might had been attacked by tiny monsters that made nests in my hair, AND no makeup to show….I could NEVER look this bad. As a matter of fact, I mean this with my whole heart here people, but I truly believe my 76 year old Mother-in-law is more beautiful than this lady! What the heck? Where does all that money go? Does she not have the money to go down and take care of herself? And who, in their right mind, would go out looking like that? Well…no one normal at least. So….know THAT is the question here. Normal!

  60. nellie says:

    It is people like you who drive these otherwise beautifully natural aging but lovely women to these extreme measures. Who are you to judge her?? She has made so many accomplishments and won the most prestigious award imaginable…what exactly are you doing? How is your complexion? Oh, thats right…your hiding behind your computer and contributing to the sickest part of our society. Did you ever stop and think that people like you are the reason why you have to starve yourself, inject botox and implant from your cheeks to your calves in order to show off your talent and skill?? How many ppl are working some 9-5 job that have a voice that flows like honey and acting skills that would put any A-list actor to shame…yeah the normal talented people are unheard of because we want silicone and bulimia. GET A GRIP on your lives ppl. Develop a hobby, join a gym, or just spend time with your family but plzzz get off the computer contributing to the infection within our society. Stop judging, it is not your right.

    btw. Madonna ROCKS and she will never be replaced..soooo stop ur hatin.

  61. nlittlefield says:

    i was scared to death when i saw this photo……no more restalin girl!

  62. tink1 says:

    To me it looks like all she needs is a good 3 nights of rest and sleep ,and a few good meals.
    If you look at her last pic. the side view she looks very well.Her arms do look scrawny but that too comes with weight loss and the viens look like she just did a major workout.
    She does have feelings inside and outward.And shes not some evil creature your making her out to be. 😉

  63. Ralphgmiami says:

    What if this is more than plastic surgery or stress? There are a lot of sexually trasmitted diseases, including HIV and AIDs. The other thing is crack addicts also look this badly. Madonna has allegedly slept with enough people to be a small community. Her past sexual partners are also promiscuous with just about anyone.

  64. teresa says:

    whats up with the lazy eye?
    😆

  65. Molly says:

    Oh My Freakin’ God!!! Madonna looks like shes 70 and her daughter has a mustache!!!

  66. douchey bagowitz says:

    Photoshop dudes and dudettes. check out the sleeves/arms

  67. lisa says:

    Lourdes needs a lip wax Damn

    What nationality is she anyway.
    Doesnt look like mom at all.

  68. Striving_Neutral says:

    I hate to be the one to say it, because back in the day, I was totally a Madonna fan. But that’s not stress making her look bad…that’s drugs making her look bad!!! Look at her eyes how squinty and how she just looks completely spaced out! MADONNA HIT THE REHAB CLINIC…YOU’LL FEEL BETTER IN 30 DAYS!!!

  69. Madonna Hater says:

    YES!! Same age as me and without Hollywood help she looks like like a meth addict or homeless person.

    Probably just a sympathy stunt–and this ‘has been’ loser needs no sympathy from us.

    Go french kiss another teen, that’ll help your sleazy career!

  70. imber says:

    She might have aids????

  71. amy says:

    hey its girl power keep up for what you believe in and dont let any1 tell you different and i know you look like a mess up but from the dust yourself off again and try again thats how the saying gose and we all love you take care of yourself and stay safe. :mrgreen:

  72. Shan says:

    Well……….she is almost fifty. She still look ‘ok’ for fifty. Compared to most of Americas 50 year olds.

  73. Shan says:

    Its NOT drugs. It is 50, 50, 50, 50 without makeup. She is fine for her age. She shouldnt look like a teenager anymore at her age!

  74. Shan says:

    And YES, She is too skinny for Fifty. When you are older you need to have a few more pounds then that on you as it really ages you.

  75. Toni says:

    Let me tell you. I’ve been follwing Madonna for 25 years…and let me tell you. I hope I look as good as her when I turn 50 and starting a long and tiring world tour. You go girl…and if you want to fill your face with Botox…you deserve to!!

  76. jen h says:

    Of course her dark roots are fake! She’s got gray hair!

  77. M says:

    She definatly looks like she had some cheek implants prior(like say years) to her losing weight. Maybe thats why they’re even more prominent now. She kinda looks like that freaky plastic surgeon nightmare woman who had her face made to look like a cat.

    Her arms are a little Crypt Keeper-ish and veiny…eeek.

  78. gg says:

    Haven’t you seen the before and after pics of these peeps … they always look better with makeup on … especially the ones who have been to hell and back. Once the makeup, eyelashes and hair are in place, she’ll be the same Madge she’s been …who cares

  79. Xmarksthespot says:

    You know I don’t see what the big deal is. She doesn’t look all that bad geesh… aren’t folks a bunch of critical bastards. How would they like a bunch of knowitalls judgemental folks who don’t have a life critique every damn flaw on their bodies. It’s just ridiculous. Meanwhile.. economy is falling apart, global warming is on our ass, all sorts of atrocities are going on in the world.. but stop the effin press.. Madonna has high cheek bones and no makeup and unattractive arms… ooooohhhh. Wake the hell up ya’ll damn.

  80. MiLa says:

    y’all are crazy. she looks like a normal thin, 50-some odd year old woman who isn’t wearing makeup at the moment. what’s the big deal? 😡

  81. veronica says:

    she looks anorexic. did she lose weight?
    or is it the fact that she has absolutely no makeup on?

    [someone please give her a Big Mac or at least a taco.]

  82. Dee says:

    Why do these has beens keep on trying to be in the limelite? It’s obvious that she’s had a heap of work done to try to pass herself off as still youthful – she’s just mutton dressed up as (pretty grotesque)lamb. And what’s with the cheek implants? They’ve pulled her mouth way out of shape….it’s laughable. She’s made enough money, she should just retire gracefully…and I KNOW that she doesn’t allow Lourdes go mow the monobrow and mo because she doesn’t want her to upstage her. Too late! Lourdes is going to be gorgeous once she’s permitted to bloom. Sadly Madonna is looking like a cross between Fay Dunnaway and Cher….a fucking joke.
    The Olsen twins are going to be the next plastic monsters…2 pretty enough girls turning into characatures of themselves….SAD! 😆

  83. Dee says:

    …..BTW – hey, xmarksthespot? If your so concerned about world events, why are you wasting time making comment here? I would imagine that Madonna’s ‘carbon footprint’ is far greater than the average person. What a hypocrit she is….the best of everyithing, chemicals to keep her face, hair and body beautiful. All that power, just for 1 concert! I bet she doesn’t even wear natural fibres (no, all plastic and synthetic showy, expensive costumes) – she of course would be a very ethical consumer (no meat, animal products – she’s obviously read ‘The Ethics of What We Eat’) oh, I forgot! As long as it’s kosher – the Kabalala thing! no pork….very important!….a REAL greeny, yeah, right! And a bloody grotesque one at that!

  84. mother*fkcer says:

    I mean, comment all you want on the photo, she still has a 120k pound deal for her tour…she’s taking it to the bank, what’s a few bad press shots.