I haven’t been following all the details in the disappearance of 10 month old baby Lisa Irwin from her parents’ home in Kansas City last week. Ever since I saw the parents give a press conference asking for help finding their lost daughter though, I’ve wanted to read Eyes for Lies’ take on it . Eyes for Lies is a truth expert who holds seminars in spotting deception. Her ability is similar to the professionals shown on “Lie to Me,” and I find her take on cases fascinating. Personally, I found baby Lisa’s father sketchy in the press conference and in my no-way-informed opinion, he was acting suspicious. Eyes agrees with that, and she points out holes in the parents’ story about how Lisa allegedly went missing. Go here for her analysis.
Good Morning America and People have more on the latest developments in this case. Apparently Lisa’s mother failed a lie detector test, by her own admission, and at one point she and her husband were no longer cooperating with police. They’re in communication with police again now, though. Cops tried to recreate the way they claimed the kidnapper(s) entered their home to snatch the baby – through a window. It was loud and difficult, and the window was too high up for a person to have reached it without a step or an accomplice. Here’s part of People’s story on it and you can see a video of the re-enactment at ABC.com:
According to her parents, the night of Oct. 3 started out like any other at their Kansas City, Mo., home. While Lisa’s dad Jeremy Irwin was working the graveyard shift as an electrician, Lisa’s mom Deborah Bradley put the baby to bed in her crib.
But when Irwin returned home early the next morning, he found the front door unlocked, a window open, three cell phones missing – and Lisa’s crib empty.
Her parents say they are devastated and desperate to find Lisa – and have hired a private investigator to aid the search. In one of several public pleas, Bradley held up a Barney stuffed animal and sobbed: “We just want our baby back. Please, bring her home.”
But in a case reminiscent of the Caylee Anthony disappearance, as police begin a second week of searching for baby Lisa, questions are being raised about the parents’ story, and what really happened that Monday night.
Bradley has acknowledged that police accused her of doing something to Lisa. She says authorities also told her that she failed a polygraph test (police said they would not discuss any result). A relative says that Bradley is bracing to be arrested at any moment.
“From the start when they’ve questioned me, once I couldn’t fill in gaps, it turned into: ‘You did it, you did it,'” Bradley tells Good Morning America.
Irwin acknowledges the bizarre nature of the scene, telling GMA that, “The windows were open and lights were on and she was nowhere to be found. We’ve been going over everything in our minds. We just don’t have any idea.”
Still, both parents – who are engaged to be married and have two other children – have worked with police along the way, with the notable exception of one disputed point when investigators claimed the parents had ceased cooperating. The family say they were simply exhausted by incessant questioning, and soon after were back speaking with police.
Police Capt. Steve Young denies that the investigation is focusing primarily on family members.
“We’re spending our time looking at everything,” he tells the Today show. “We have detectives farmed in and out of it all day long, chasing leads as they come and getting a lot of help from local police departments and some federal agencies as well, so we’re spending our time everywhere.”
Police staged a recreation of a break-in into the home, and the outcome showed that entering through a window was awkward and noisy. On Tuesday, investigators spent several hours at a well at an abandoned house near Lisa’s home, but came up empty.
The front- and backyards of the family home have been searched with metal detectors. Local TV stations have been subpoenaed for footage of interviews with family, friends and neighbors. People have been interviewed about a homeless man seen recently in the neighborhood.
But with what appears to be a lack of solid leads in this baffling case, the family says they believe police are focusing on them to the exclusion of other possibilities.
[From People]
Something similar happened when Madeleine McCann went missing. People blamed her parents because it didn’t seem possible that a small child could be stolen like that. We just don’t want to believe that there are people out there who would do that to a child, particularly our child. That’s what parents inevitably think of when we hear these horrible stories about children who were kidnapped. What if it were my kid? It’s just easier to think that the parents are hiding something and were somehow complicit in it. I get that vibe from this case, though I can’t say whether it’s because I don’t want to imagine the hell these parents are going through if they’re telling the truth.
Omg I mean if my baby were missing they would have to hospitalize me because I would be tearing apart everything around me with insane grief…. Anyone who can even stand still and hold a water bottle and have any kind of composure at all is highly suspicious in my book–
She apparently lied to the police about something and to a detective, that is like a cucumber to a vegitarian. They pounced on her and began pushing hard.
These two don’t seem sophisticated enough to pull off such a deception so I’m hoping they had nothing to do with it. If they did, they’ll break soon.
I have an 8 month old, and I can’t imagine what I would do if anything happened to him. My heart breaks just thinking about baby Lisa. The idea of anyone doing something to harm a baby is horrific.
it seems these days the parents always have something to do with it.
Theses stories make me sick. I hope the parents aren’t involved but I wouldn’t be surprised if they were…seems like the police think the mother has something to do with it.
I’m sure the police were acting like they were guilty from the get go due to sensationalism of the Casey Anthony b.s. I would be defensive too if the people who were supposed to be helping me find my child were acting all Law & Order (a show which often crosses the legal line in pursuit of thier criminals) and accusing me. I hope they had nothing to do with it and I feel sorry for them. But I can see police saying that “because none of our bungling small town cops could reenact it than the parents MUST be lying”. And to say I would be freaking out and anyone who’s not is GUILTY is just stupid. They have other children to consider and you could not possibly know ahead of time how you would act in that type of situation. If you did, it would be fake. DUH.
Cosign with Kaligula 100%. I really, REALLY hope they had nothing to do with this. a baby is such a precious life, and they deserve to be able to live it. if she didn’t want her baby, that’s why there are safe haven laws.
I really hope this baby is found, but I really am not going to hold my breath.
Okay, this is my extremely bias opinion.
I am not judging these folks yet. I am not buying into the gossip and innuendo.
The Police have already decided they are it. So that is the way they decided to sell it to the media. Which annoys me.
I also think the Mother did not fail her lie detector test. I think the Police got a non/in/un-conclusive (is that the correct word?) and decided to gas light her into “confessing”.
There has been too many times that children have been snatched. Then the parents/family are guilty of murder. Only because the police decided from the start…. that the someone in the family did it.
I always look back to Elizabeth Smart.
Where the police were CONVINCED that some in her family had killed her at first. (an uncle?)
Then they decided it was the man who had been a worker at their place for a decade. Who then died under mysterious condition while being held in prison. The local Police were convinced they were right.
And when the younger sister came forward with the correct info… the Police ignored her.
Had Mr. Smart not had a personal relationship with John Walsh. They would have never gotten Elizabeth back.
And this is not the only case in the last decade where parents were not guilty. But the Police/Nancy Grace/media decide to sell it the way they want. By destroying the parents reputation.
Like Jaycee Dugard… and her step father had been assumed the murdered of her from the beginning.
I will wait to judge these people till there is some decent proof.
“that is like a cucumber to a
vegitarian.”
What the hell does that even mean???
The thing with Maddie McCann is that – whether they killed her, or merely put her in a situation where abduction was inevitable – the parents obviously couldn’t give a tinkers toss about any of their kids.
The resort babysitters they happily left them with during the daytime were suddenly not good enough at night so they HAD to leave them alone! Then the father said he “felt the presence of another person in the room” when he went to check on them but didn’t investigate, WTF?!! They also hampered the investigation by refusing to answer standard police questions, then, having lost one child, they dumped their twins on a relative to go visit the Pope!
Some parents do not deserve the gift of a child.
What’s sad is that this story will have 10 comments with mine, and Beyonce’s baby bump has 70.
@tuppiv: I wondered the same thing.
Came over from twitter thinking “Baby Lisa? Dog the Bounty Hunter’s daughter? I bet it was Beth!”
Oops.
This is totally different from the Madeline McCann story. That one caught the public’s attention and ire because of the circumstances of two well-paid professional leaving 3 children unattended in a hotel room so they could go drinking. The McCanns were either criminally responsible, criminally negligent and/or criminally stupid.
As for this case, there was a similar story in Canada last month and it had a happy ending. Thank god.
“Exhausted by the incessant questioning?” WTF?!?! If my son (I’m a mom, not hypothetical) went missing, with that 48 hour window after discovery to find him safely, and I had nothing to do with it, I would throw myself on a fire to do anything to get him back. I wound NEVER take a BREAK because I (me, myself) was exhausted – HOW selfish is that?! That isn’t someone who puts their kid first. Taking a break within days of the disappearance? If Jack were gone, I would barely be able to eat and sleep just enough to be alive if he were to ever return, if I didn’t just flat-out die of a broken heart.
I totally agree with you kaligula. I would have to be sedated. I don’t know a lot about this case, but I will pray for that baby girl.
When I really think about it, if they had nothing to do with it, how do these parents keep from losing their minds? From walking the streets and driving around aimlessly searching, searching, searching. The not knowing would make me lose my mind.
@Jacq: That’s how I’d expect a parent to act if their child was missing, and that these two quit cooperating is unbelievable. The police wouldn’t be able to get rid of me if I were in that situation.
That baby looks unhappy and abused. Look into its eyes!
I live about 180 miles SE of KC. From the news coverage you’d think I live next door to these people. I am sad, like many and horror-struck by the thought that either parent may be involved. (I have 2 grown daughters.)What I find interesting is that the local news coverage has been very neutral. They almost border on pity for the parents. E.g., the reports that the mother was suspected was aired on nat’l news bf I heard it locally, and when it was reported locally, the anchor read it in a very monotone voice, finished, paused, and raised an eyebrow. Then moved on. I hope so much that some baby-desperate person has the baby, is caring for the baby, will come to her senses and drop the baby off at a fire station or a church (that’s what the news keeps broadcasting). That’s best case scenario, of course.
I just keep thinking of Susan Smith. She kept saying a car-jacker stole her kids and the whole world believed her. I still remember the press conference where the police chief said they were arresting Susan Smith for the murder of her children and the gasps of everyone in the room. Media, searchers and police. This case could be like that one, but I pray to God it’s not because they may surpass Casey Anthony as most hated in America.
I’d be camped out at the police station too.
I hope they’re not involved, but I don’t blame the police for investigating them, as far too often it is the parents or someone close to the family. As long as the police are keeping an open mind that it was someone else too.
Her going to the store with a mystery man that she nor anyone in her family will comment about is VERY sketchy. Who is this guy?????
Maybe she left the baby home sleeping while she went to store, didnt check on her when got home, then got so drunk she passed out hence why she didnt hear anyone or see lights on. BUT it makes no sense that an intruder trying to be quiet would turn on lights. That & the mystery guy dont add up. The parents need to answer who mystery man is otherwise they look totally guilty.
Also the husband has an alibi while at work but not once home & he is the one who “discovered” baby missing.
The reports of a homeless man seen several times in area and now they cant find him anywhere is only thing where i think maybe they didnt do anything but he stole baby and sold for money?
Either way that poor baby – pray for her.
I love Eyes, she always get it right!
Mother prolly did it. Not ready to hang her up yet. Need more info.
Unfortunately–in most cases of murder (which this may or may not be)–those closest to the victim are responsible.
That of course does not mean THESE parents did it. But as a cop, you have to start there. And if mommy was proven to be lying early on–I do not blame the detectives for jumping on that. It doesn’t exactly make her look innocent. I hope that they are also looking at every OTHER angle though…so as not to miss important leads.
Isn’t this the case where a neighbor claimed to have seen someone walking up their street with a diaper-clad infant early in the morning??
“It’s just easier to think that the parents are hiding something and were somehow complicit in it.”
It’s also most likely to be true. Stranger abductions are incredibly rare; the perpetrator is almost always a family member.
@tapioca…I agree, that really bothered me that they left those kids alone while they dined out..wth?
@Tracy9s…Susan Smith changed everthing in these cases.
I think the mom did something to her and got rid of the body. its just something that is sooo sketchy here.
failed test and stop cooperating??
I hope for the best, but its not looking good. I too, remember the Susan Smith story, how she lied and said some african american men stole her car and her kids..
I was shocked to find out she was lying.
horrible
A failed/inconclusive polygraph doesn’t mean anything, actually, which is why those are inadmissible in court. If I were in a situation like this, I’d probably fail one too because I’d be freaking out so bad it would probably say I was being “deceptive.” So I hope the parents had nothing to do with it, but just because the cops claim the mother failed the lie detector test doesn’t mean they did.
I think I would collapse into total grief and despair if anything happened to my little one. I would need to medicated and/or hospitalised, for sure.
His window is closed and double-locked at night, or he’s in bed with us. No exceptions. If it’s hot, I’ll turn on the freakin’ AC.
CB – No mention of the fact that she’s still legally married to another man? A deployed soldier.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/10/baby-lisa-mother-arrest-inevitable-police-search-well-vacant-house
They might be guilty, but there Are many cases if death or child abduction where the police zeroed in on the parents or family members. I just saw two shows. One where a 12year old was accused of murdering his sister. It was a drifter. They still refused to clear the boy even with blood evidence on the drifter’s shirt. Another case a 20 year old convicted of murdering his parents. It took 17 years to have it overturned. A shady business partner of his dad’s hired thugs to kill his parents. In both case initially the police used long hours and disturbing interrogation to trick them into confessing at first.
I just read the mother is still legally married to her first husband yet she’s “engaged” to Irwin. Has she (or her husband) actually filed for divorce? (I’m not saying it’s a red flag but it seems odd that she’s engaged if she hasn’t taken steps to divorce her husband)
While I genuinely hope the baby is safely found and that the parents had nothing to do with her disappreance, this case just feels off to me. There are too many red flags and I don’t envy the cops’ job at all.
Masque – see my link above.
@Tracy9s: I suspected Susan Smith from the very beginning, the minute she said a black carjacker stole her car, kicked her out of the car and drove off with her two little boys in the back seat. A carjacker would have kicked her AND the kids out of the car and driven off by himself. No carjacker wants a kidnap rap attached to him. What blew me away was that so many people actually believed her story.
I have always thought that if this were to happen to me I would be too hysterical to be of any use and would likely need to be hospitalized. I think that really, none of us truly know how we would respond until we were IN the situation. (I pray none of us ever are!)
But also—maybe the parents are just being strong for their baby. They can’t cooperate, or make pleas on tv..or lead searches if they are in the hospital. So maybe THAT is where they get the strength from.
Tracy9s: I remember the Susan Smith case. I also remember thinking she was lying through her teeth. Funny thing was at work the men were all: Poor Susan! The women, OTOH, were ‘she’s lying’.
I started to think something is fishy when the family took a break from looking for the baby to set up a table at the NASCAR race to ask for money for the “baby Lisa foundation”. If my family member was missing you would have to sedate me to get me to stop looking for them. Trust me I’m talking from experience.
I hate to think that the world today has come to a point where idiots look at people like the Anthonys and see the money they made and think “hey, we can do that and make us some money too.”
Sadly, I feel that this is whats going on with these two, I hope I’m wrong.
According to LE: the window was not the point of entry.
The unlocked front door was….
I DO NOT believe the stranger abduction AT ALL.
Let’s see:
Door was left unlocked
JI just happens to be at work (the very first night he’s worked overnight).
Three cells phones (1 broken) are all missing.
Mom says she went to bed at 10:30 that night, but at 2;30 A.M. she makes a phone call/ she’s at the computer when she is supposedly supposed to have gone to bed.
Lisa does not cry when “abducted”.
Baby Monitor next to crib and mommy does not hear anything.
All the lights are turned off except for two, Lisa’s door and other room doors are closed.
When JI says he got home all the lights were turned on.
They have a Black Lab and the dog does not bark.
Yeah, in intruder came in a took little Lisa without Mommy and/or other Children waking up.
Mommy is totally involved!!!!
Here’s what I thought was strange about the parentss story. They say that when the father got home, the window was tampered with, all the lights were on and the baby and THREE CELLPHONES were missing. If I were going to sneak into someone’s house to steal a baby, I would want to be in and out as quickly as possible. Why would he/she turn on all the lights? How would he/she even know where ALL THREE cellphones were? When I go to bed, I usually keep my cellphone next to my bed in case someone calls. I think most people do. Most moms I know, especially ones with an infant, are super light sleepers–they have to be to wake up when the baby fusses or when an older child gets out of bed. It just doesn’t add up.
@Cheyenne and @cr, I remember watching Susan Smith and her ex-husband in an interview, pleading for their children. He seemed genuinely distraught and supportive of her. She seemed shifty from the start.
She and Charles Stuart (remember him?) are why my immediate reaction to “A black man carjacked me and killed my children/wife/etc.” is “Yeah, pretty sure you did it, and there were no black men involved at all.”
It’s almost always a family member. Look at the statistics. There’s a reason police suspect family members–because they’re the ones most likely to have committed this kind of crime. Cases like Elizabeth Smart’s are much more uncommon.
The mother looks like she is fake crying in all her “scenes”. When I first saw her, I felt something was off.
Also the interview with the Aunt was just wierd. She was way to calm. If my sister was about to get arrested for something she did not do and it involved her own child, I would be letting the world know that she was innocent.
In the Susan Smith case, I thought she was hiding the kids from her ex-husband, and made up the carjacking story.
Guess I really didn’t want to think a mom would drown her children to get a man back, but it happens all of the time. : (
“I was shocked to find out she was lying”
I was shocked that someone could be that utterly heartless. It hurts my heart to think about those two.
Agree with those who stated they would be either catatonic with fear, or restrained for mine and other’s safety. God, I hope that baby is okay.
This is indeed a strange story. I might have some facts mixed up so forgive me if I do.
My understanding is that the baby’s mother and father are not married to each other. In fact, the mother is married to someone in the military. And the mother has had several children in similar situations.
I also understand that the baby’s father has a rock solid alibi while the mother does not.
I think often of the Susan Smith case and the Casey Anthony case. I want to not be judgmental of these two parents but find this story hard to believe the way that it is now with a supposed person climbing into a high and small window and taking the baby out the same way.
I am thinking that an accident happened with the baby and the mother is hiding the truth.
I sincerely hope the baby is found alive and well (this time thinking of Jaycee Dugard).
This is heartbreaking
To Jessica: I think you have nailed it and you highlight some very important facts that I was unaware of.
In cases like this it is ALMOST ALWAYS one of the parents/stepparents/guardians who is guilty.
There are exceptions, but statistically the parents should be under suspicion and examined closely.
Absolutely heartbreaking. The stuff of nightmares for every parent.
On another note: I just burned through 4 hours on Eyes for Lies. It’s freakin’ great.
I had to comment on this one- I live in K.C., and this story is EVERYWHERE here; I can’t say if ALL of the information we’re hearing locally is true, or just rumors that are being taken as fact, but everything points to this woman having a whole lot more to do with this “abduction” than the police are letting on. I mean, she never bothered to tell the police about her trip to (I think) Walmart five hours before the baby went missing, with some guy and buying a box of wine- wine they couldn’t find at the house after the fact…the whole thing about the cell phones missing and they weren’t able to contact the police right away? My baby goes missing? I’m banging on the neighbors door screaming like a banshee. There have been a lot of searches that haven’t turned up anything, but just the fact that the police are searching all the dumpsters and landfills within the state make me think they know this poor baby is gone. I agree with the idea that Casey Anthony has left a terrible taste of suspicion against the parents, but in this case I think it’s justified.
One thing that made me wonder is the detail that the baby had a cough/cold. Maybe the mother gave her too much medicine with tragic results and the father is covering. None of it adds up, but I hope there’s some small chance this baby will be found.
JI has an Alibi and DB does not.
Whole story stinks……
During the Victoria Stafford abduction (Canada) the mother was acting sketchy as hell and everyone assumed she was involved. But it turned out to be two other people who murdered her child (one of whom she knew). So I find it really hard to figure out if these people are just sketchy, or guilty.
However, if someone accuses someone else that’s easy.
To recap:
“An african-american man did it” = Guilty
“It was a one armed man” = Innocent
I’m from KC (not that it matters), but there is just a lot of things wrong with this. I believe that someone in the family (Mom? Dad?) had something to do with this.
ladybert62: I haven’t read much of the details, but I also wonder if wasn’t an accident and they’re lying about it. We had a case here, a few months after Susan Smith, where the young daughter was accidentally killed by either mom or the boyfriend and they claimed abduction instead of immediately fessing up to what happened.
To start, I don’t know any of the details and this is the first I’ve heard of this incident (I’m in Canada).
So… “failing” a lie detector test doesn’t mean a whole lot. Unfortunately, they have been shown to be an unreliable measure.
I do not have children, and I don’t mean to take away from any of the mothers here, however; it’s easy to jump and say you would do “this, this, and this” if you’re child were abducted and because that mother isn’t doing that – she must be guilty. It is easy to say those things but until you’re in such a position, you don’t really know.
For example, when my father was diagnosed with cancer I did think about what if he died. I was sure I would absolutely lose it, hysterics, off the deep end noisy type of reaction. I sat beside him while he took his last breath and cried. I cried a lot, but I was not hysterical like I had thought. I was not hysterical in the days or weeks after – I kind of just closed up.
Is it the same situation? No. Am I trying to take away from mothers? Not at all.
I’m only getting details from here so perhaps I’m missing something.
Just saying, lets try not to make such knee jerk reactions?
I hope the baby is safely found.
My husband and I have been struggling to have a child, so I cannot even imagine the pain of losing one. If it were me, I would not want to stop answering questions or working with whoever to find my baby… no matter how frustrating. I really hope this baby comes home soon and that the parents weren’t involved. Major prayers and blessings pushing towards this baby.
Gross little “spybot” behavior analysts that claim to know when a person is lying is garbage.
Everyone reacts to stress differently, everyone makes different facial expressions when they lie. Everyones brain is UNIQUE and different.
And people with Aspergers and mild autistic spectrums can have a multitude of varied responses to just about damn anything.
People can answer yes to a question about something, but accidently think about a hamburger that made them want to puke, and the “lie detector” says they lied.
All garbage. This “guilty until proven innocent” trend in this country is getting mighty damn dangerous to the American citizens.
my child went missing for 5 minutes at the beach and I was hysterical. I hope and pray that baby is found. I do think the police always look homeward first only because its usually the case…but I hope not here. As for the McCanns…..despicable parents.
It seems to me every time a child goes missing or murdered usually the parents have every thing to do with it. But in this case I can’t really give a strong opinion cause I just heard of this today on my news station.
In a kinda generalized statement here, folks, if you don’t want to become or be a parent please put the child up for adoptions so folks like my dh and I who can’t conceive can welcome that child into a home of love. Murder is never an option! Condoms are.
the madeline mc cann story is very different than this one. in that case the girl was supposedly abducted even though her parents were checking on her every 30 minutes, so that leaves a pretty narrow window. and not one person in the resort saw or heard anything – how is that possible?
i don’t know the details of this case but the fact that the parents stopped talking with the police because they were exhausted seems strange. i don;t have kids, but if anyone i loved went missing i would certainly not be “too tired” to help with the investigation. i don’t know of any parent who would do that, either. seems weird to me.
the reason that police always look first at family members whenever someone (child or adult) goes missing is because more often than not they have something to do with it. at the very least they may kn ow something that they don’t think is relevant but is. any parent should understand that, push it aside and not let their pride/anger get in the way of the ultimate goal, which is to find their child.
I’d be wary about trusting any so-called deception expert. The truth is the research says there are no set cues that people are lieing and its pretty much a game of chance where no one knows one way or the other. Also, lie detectors are a waste of time, which is exactly why the courts don’t recognize them anymore. I don’t know a thing about the case, but its much better to look at the inconsistencies in their story than either of those two things.
If my baby girl had ever gone missing I would have been so distraught they would have had to sedate me. It doesn’t even bear thinking about. Reminds me of the HELL Kate McCann and her husband have gone through. Hate to say it, but in this case I feel the mother has something to do with it. I hope they find the poor little tot alive and well.
I come off as a bitch most of the time in these comments but I’m going to be completely honest with every single one of you.
I don’t know anything about this story, but honestly STFU about what the parents “SHOULD” be doing. You actually have no idea you’d act because it hasn’t happened to you.
Growing up a child in my neighborhood was kidnapped and to put it as gently as possible, she didn’t come home.
So please just stop, it’s rude and inconsiderate.
I live 2 hrs west of Kansas City… There is so much gray area that I even hate to speculate. At one time the KCPD had a history of everyone is guilty and if they suspected you for any reason they would look no further (that was even coming from my Ex Spouse as he was a PO). However, KC is riddled w/ crime, so I don’t understand why anyone w/ common sense would leave their door unlocked.
Depending on what side of the table the law has you at they will admit innocent people fail lie detector tests or only guilty fail. I would hope the child was loved and cherished and her parents were not involved. Though w/ so many women that have proven themselves to be monsters (Susan Smith, etc)… It’s hard to say. (Elizabeth Smarts family was once a prime suspect and that proved totally wrong and so tragic).
I too couldn’t have children and it was a deep pain in my heart. So if it were a child of mine, you couldn’t get me to be silent! I would talk to everyone I needed to insure my child’s safe
return. That being said, everyone knows how they believe they will react, however when something does happen they react differently or shut down. It’s just very sad, when ANY child is harmed. I pray they do find this baby unharmed and the guilty party…just as I pray for all children who have been taken, who face abuse of any kind, or go hungry..as each child is precious and a miracle…
It seems like a lot of these comment-writers are falling into the “just world” fallacy. Psychologically, humans are unwilling to accept that sometimes bad things happen to good people. In a “just world” bad things happen to bad people, and so when bad things happen we rationalize and dehumanize the victims as a way of reducing cognitive dissonance.
So for all of those who judge these individuals, it is really easy to be armchair critics and talk about what you would do… but you don’t really know what you would do until something actually happens to you.
We are all really good at thinking we know what we would do in a situation, but we are lousy–absolutely lousy–at actually predicting behavior from our attitudes.
Just a few thoughts, since no one here has any special knowledge of the evidence, or special experience and training that would help them interpret said evidence if some did exist.
I think one of them is having an affair and is trying to cover that up.
My theory is like Dana’s about the affair idea. Mom has boyfriend. He comes over while Dad is at work, they drink wine and are having fun.
Lisa wakes up cause she doesn’t feel good and Mom loses her temper. May have tried to get Lisa back to sleep and over-medicated her, shook her or something. Not meaning to harm her, but accidents happen.
@Carly, oh yes, lets speculate, lets imagine…..and while we are at it , let’s just INVENT an entire story because we failed in journalism.
I am so glad you posted. You, and newcasters with your style are why innocent people are locked up.
Your ilk make me utterly sick. Shooo there are rocks to crawl under.
In 1969 my husband was 5 weeks old. He was stolen from his pram which was left outside a shop. This was the norm in those days, children were routinely left in their large silver cross prams outside shops while their mothers were inside.
He was missing for 6 days. My MIL and FIL and all the male relatives were interrogated and accused of murdering him. My poor FIL was interrogated 6 days straight until he nearly collapsed. My MIL was sedated so much she could hardly speak.
He was stolen by a woman who had tried to pass him off as her own (she had previously had a miscarriage)
Before you all leap to judgement, remember you don’t have all the facts. Lots of people assumed the worst about my blameless inlaws.
Casey Anthony anyone? Anyone remember Susan Smith? Many a time we’ve seen people on telly standing at mikes begging for the return of their beloved spouse, sibling, or child, and a few weeks if not months later we find out they did the crime themselves.
This is such a horrible situation. I can’t even say anything other than I hope that baby is okay, and I hope the parents had nothing to do with it.
That man is not touching Lisa’s mother. He shows no emotion which is completly baffling at the disappearance of his child. He could have come home at anytime while people were asleep and or passed out. What then? Maybe everyone is pointing a finger at the wrong person. He has to pay child support. What are the problems in the home? Her guilt is that of drinking and not being with the baby. She may feel her baby is gone because of the drinking neglect which in the final annalysis is correct. But why is he so cold acting? He either did something himself or knows a great deal else or all of the above. Was the baby walking enough and went out into the yard through an open door and got out into the road. Another bad story here possibly. Somehow the woods are not likely for a baby as ease of walking would be the norm for a tiny child unless for a more vile scenario by an adult. Where is that tall boy/man in all this story and what did he have to tell. Haven’t heard a thing about that boy/man except being at the store with the mother getting wine. The dog barking would have targeted a stranger or even a neighbor. This is very close to home is my guess and the outcome seems to point directly to odd behavior. People in a throw away society have no respect for their humaness anymore. Too self centered about self gratification to care about the future and the children that are to fill that future when their life has been fullfillled. What do they think their purpose was in the first place? I would plead that the baby is somewhere safe!
I’m with you, Kaligula. I would become a snarling animal, ripping walls apart with my bare hands, never sleeping, day or night, out there in any weather, harrassing police, FBI, anyone and everyone for the rest of my life. I would eat and sleep enough to go on until I found her. She is somewhere, dead or alive. I can’t imagine I would ever be able to maintain enough composure to speak calmly to the media. This is what is suspicious. Displaying some minor emotion
I was kidnapped at the age of 16 months in Guam. I understand that my family was very upset, but could do very little and were helpless as Naval police and Guamanian authorities handled it. I was found unharmed two days later in the care of an extended native family who lived up in the hills.
I really think that people, including law enforcement project too much in these investigations. Let the evidence be accumulated, the search go on and preserve the idea that one is innocent until proven guilty.
These people make me sick. Just do what you are supposed to do already and let the police interrogate you and the boys. As far as being “exhausted”, too bad. Can you imagine how “exhausted” Baby Lisa is, if in fact she was abducted? I hope she is all right, but I doubt it very much. This mother and father are losers.
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