As you may remember, Angelina Jolie and her father, Jon Voight, quietly put aside their differences several years ago. There has never been a super-happy photo op of the two embracing or anything – I personally think that one of Angelina’s prerequisites for allowing her father back into her life must have been “we’re doing this all on the downlow.” Still, over the past few years, Jon has been spotted around Angelina and her family (he even made a trip to Venice while she was filming The Tourist), and Jon has confirmed their ongoing relationship in interview after interview. I partly think it’s nice that Angelina has let her dad back into her life on her terms, but I’m also waiting for the other batsh-t crazy shoe to drop. We can debate whether or not Angelina is insane, but can we all agree that IF she is insane, she got it from her father? Anyway, Jon has given yet another interview about his daughter:
He has spent nearly a decade bitterly and publicly estranged from his daughter Angelina Jolie – but now Hollywood star Jon Voight has revealed they have reconciled after he was struck by an emotional epiphany.
The Oscar-winner has spoken for the first time of how he changed his attitude ‘in a moment’, and now lives for his family.
The 72-year-old fell out with Jolie in 2002 when he accused her of having ‘serious mental problems’, while Jolie, 37, had criticised him for having an affair behind her mother’s back.
Father and daughter had their first tentative meeting in Venice last year after Jolie’s husband, Brad Pitt, acted as go-between.
Now Voight says the feud is over and he feels very close to his grandchildren, three biological and three adopted.
Speaking from Los Angeles, he said his change of heart came in an instant.
He said: “I suddenly saw things differently and everything shifted. That one moment changed my whole life. It gave me back my daughter and my family. Being reunited with my Angie is very precious to me. I adore my grandchildren, they are my great love. It makes me so emotional and grateful.”
“When my daughter sees me with them she says she sees another energy in me which takes over. I’m always laughing and completely happy when I’m with them. It makes Angie so happy too, as you can imagine.”
[From The Mail]
Well, that’s nice. I guess. Jon gets to spend some time with his grandkids (probably on Angelina’s terms, once again) and he gets to talk about her and the kids in the press, because that’s his favorite thing to do. Throughout the years, the tabloids have always suggested that Brad was the one pushing for Angelina to reconcile with Jon, and that Brad was the one who arranged this reunion we now have. I’ve always been doubtful of that though – I think Brad is really close with his family, and he probably doesn’t understand how Angelina and Jon could have been so estranged for years, but I don’t see him pushing the issue…? I don’t know.
Photos courtesy of Fame & WENN.
I actually used to like him till I read an interview of him and I found out that he’s extremely pro Israel. Now he can go suck it.
I hope he now correctly remembers his grandkids’ names.
Why do so many publications insist on referring to Brad and Angelina as married? I’ve seen this many times. And The mail did it here by calling Brad, Angie’s “husband.” Is it laziness or ignorance on the part of the magazines? I have to believe it’s laziness since Brad and Angie are one of the most famous non-married couples in the world. It’s weird
Jolie’s problems are well known and confirmed by herself but I think she was already in a better mental state in 2002. The crazy period was definitely when in her early 20′ until the first Tomb Raider/end of BBT marriage. Even so if she wasn’t mentally stable, her dad shoudln’t have said that. Help her then instead of bashing her with such private, fragile information.
Nevertheless of his actions and intentions now, he’ll always be a better actor than father. You don’t get to ditch your children and expect them to love you no matter what. It’s brave she forgives her father, even if the relationship is on her terms. I wouldn’t be able to do that…
He’s a sucky dad, sucky person and the reason why Angie had a difficult childhood and youth. Glad they left it all behind them and made up, now he should once and for all shut the f up and stop talking to the press everytime about his daughter.
And I always found he looks like Angela Lansbury minus the cuteness.
There is something about how Voight has looked in the last year or so… to make me think his health may be a little fragile.
Jon better put a sock in it while he’s ahead, because it seems like whenever he starts blathering on in the press, things go sour again.
That top-photo – in some way it just always freeks me out seeing Angie and her brother – they just look so much alike. I wonder if Brad and angie’s kids also are going to be looking so similar.
Does anyone know how tall Jon Voight is? I’m curious how tall Angelina really is. Oh, and the nips showing in that top photo – I’d DIE if that were a photo of me with my brother and dad.
Note James’ nose and mouth; I still doubt AJ had a nose job.
Angelina makes that simple white shirt look stunningly stylin.
I can see Brad pushing it, not in a dick way just in a “I don’t get it way”. I’m estranged from my father and I always get people with awesome families telling me to reconcile. Their parents love them unconditionally so they tend to put my issues down to some sort of misunderstanding. They aren’t trying to be rude but it tends to come off that way when they push it.
Lol @ kaiser’s referrence 2 brad as angie’s husband, is angie legally married 2 brad?
I can understand her reasoning for estrangement when it happened, who wants their Father on National TV on every celebrity entertainment show (and fOX new) telling the world things you want private (like Maddox adoption).
I agree he needs to just keep his mouth shut and just enjoy his time w/ his family..the more he runs to the Press to discuss it the more HE looks insane. An over the hill Actor that can only get the spot light by talking about his relationship or non relationship w/ his family. How pathetic. Wonder how he would have felt if back in the day his Mother or Father pulled that crap on him?? He does have a lot of Skeletons in his closet;)!
I commend Angie for being the mature one in this situation, letting him see family BUT on her conditions..but there comes a point where enough is enough..think he’s getting kinda close to it!
Angie said in an interview that it wasn’t Brad that initiated it but that she felt it was time.
I want to know what happen to James. I know he went into some type of ministry and that was the last I saw and heard of him and Angie.
Lauren:
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 am
I found out that he’s extremely pro Israel.
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I bet Angelina loves that! (sarcasm)
Yeah i think hes on the extrem right on alot of things. Which again Angelina problebly loves. (sarcasm again)
I doubt they talk about politics, since thay problebly know were the other one stands.
And Angelina should wear more suits. (not sarcasm)
I miss T-shirt/jeans Angie.
Her dad’s press conference was horrible and could have cost her the finalization of the adoption of Maddox. He was overly dramatic in the press conference, like he was acting.
But I am glad they finally made up. If he died after she kept rebuffing his overtures at reconciliation there would be regret. Death is so final and you can’t go back. I think he is always respectful now when he mentions her and the children. Pretty much just says he loves them. He’s older now and facing his mortality. I’ve seen photos of him and his son together also. I’m happy for them as a family.
James was at the Salt Premier and at the premier of The Tree of Life with his girlfriend.
He has been seen with the family a lot. Just no pictures.
and of course the story is wrong. Angie gave an interview in 2009 that she and her father had started to communicate through letters. He even said he was with them on Thanksgiving or Christmas. And that they were going to keep their relationship more private. Just because there were no pictures of them together until Venice didn’t mean that they had not seen each other. In fact John and the JPs were seen out to dinner on several occasions. Just that the paps didn’t have pictures. So they got a picture of him visiting in Venice and to them it meant that this was the reunion.. which in fact is not the case. They had reunited a year or more before.
This is not a bad story.. but they just can’t ever get the facts. And really a shame when there are easy ways to check facts.
and yes she said in her interview with Cynthia McFadden when promoting SALT that Brad was not the one that brought them together.. that he was supportive, but that the decision was hers.
I like his comments on how he feels about his grandchildren. As a grandma I can totally relate.
Fake interview by fake journos. ‘Nuff said.
@tpass
in addition to what I posted before. Jamie in fact does a lot of work with Brad’s brother Doug. They have all become close. Jamie and Doug are on the JP Foundation Board as well, in addition to some other projects they are doing together.
Only Angelina would pose in a picture with her sibling and father bra-less in a see thru shirt with hard nipples. Class all the way, eh Angie? *eyeroll*
@JC123 Jon Voight is apparently 6’3″, according to his IMDB page.
@jc126 – I Googled Jon’s height and it said he’s 6’2. I remember reading that Angie is 5’8, so it looks about right in the photos.
I don’t find Angelina very relate-able very often, but in this case, I do. I dealt with severe anxiety and depression issues for about two years and it strained my relationship with my father to a breaking point. When we finally talked honestly with each other, we were able to work things out. I can understand how hard it must have been for her to have been so publicly thrown under the bus in her time of need and her reluctance to want her father in her life subsequently. He might be gushing about how great all this is, but if she’s like me, there’s still a grain of sand in her heart that irritates and hurts. It’s really hard to go back.
Agree with many of the above – he crossed a line but I’m glad they’ve been able to come to a compromise, hopefully they’ve found some love for each other again as well. She was clearly very close to her mother and it must have been profoundly painful when he left her & his kids. But it’s true, things change as you get older. I doubt Angie does anything that isn’t on her own terms but I’d think her family & Brad could have had a great deal to do with her change of heart. No one knows but them. My dad has been at my mom to make up with her brother but she steadfastly refuses – he really, REALLY pissed her off apparently, and they’ve never gotten on that well.
valleymiss, at least she doesn’t strip for a men’s magazine to sell a dog movie like a certain sitcom actress. Angelina is far more classier than Aniston.
Who wants to bet that he’s up for some role and is using his daughter’s name for visibility? Apple…tree…not very far apart. Pimping out your kids for attention is disgusting, no matter who is doing it.
All three bio-kids look like Voight in picture #2, especially Vivienne.
Tabbycat, I’m not creeped out by nipples/nudity. I’m creeped out that she’s showing ’em off with her brother and father in the picture. It’s creepy. And if I saw Aniston posing in a see thru tank with hard nipples with her dad for a publicity photo, I’d say the same thing. Clearly this is a family that lacks appropriate boundaries.
I think Angelina found herself in a better place before she hooked up with Brad and I think adopting Maddox was a huge step in that direction. I think she was in a better place mentally before she hooked up with Brad and after her divorce from Billy Bob despite the poor judgment on their hookup timing.
However, I have no doubt that any issues Angie had were the result of her coping with her issues with her father. I’m sure that she has found a way to work through them. Personally, I’m glad that Jon and Angie have worked things out.
Do you notice how Jon talks a lot without saying anything at all? He doesn’t get overly personal, he talks more in general terms about being a grandfather. I’m sure he and Angie have worked out the boundaries of what it is okay to say in the press and what is not okay especially since the last time they fell out had to do with him talking to the press. I am sure that is a boundary Angie established very quickly, she’s not stupid and neither is Jon. He knows that it will only look bad on him from a PR perspective if they fall out again. It was a disaster for HIM when they fell out last time. Everyone sided with Angie.
@valleymiss: Are you kidding? From what I’ve heard, she flashed them on TV every week on Friends.
@Iheartlasagne: I hope your mom and her brother make up. My dad and his brother didn’t speak to each other for 30 years until his brother called him one night from South Carolina where they both grew up. They kept in phone contact after that but my uncle died before they could meet again in person. I never met him. My dad always regretted that. Life is too short to hold grudges.
@canuck
I had no doubt you would find you way to make some snarky comment about Angie.
Well she is not pimping her kids. She and Brad sold baby pics.. what 3 years ago. And they are not the only ones. Thing is the press is and will always be hounding them. Something you can’t get you head around.
But not surprising. for you to have such dislike for her you find your way to her thread. But let someones say something about your perfect one then oh no that is so off limits.
Valleymiss:
Agreed with everything. I couldn’t put my finger on it, but there you go.
Canuck, pimping out other people’s children, ie bad-mouthing and using a bff to speak racist things about an enemy’s children, is far, FAR worse than disgusting.
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/jennifer-lopez-gives-tearful-performance-lost-love-142545264.html?nc
I think she is honoring love and wouldn’t purposefully do anything to make herself look pathetic. It shows she really believes in the romantic and love. I think she is trying to make the most of her past and not trying to pretend it didn’t happen.
She is also waving the past good bye.
Nice sentiments, Jon. IF HE REALLY SAID ‘EM… I think the story’s fake. And Angie’s 36, NOT 37. Brad is NOT her husband. And yeah, jc126. I ALSO have NEVER believed she got a nose job.
@Valleymiss. She was a 20-something wild child. Get over it… cos she’s now 36 y-o mom of six who won’t even wear a one-piece swimsuit to the beach.
PLUS… Aniston’s titties featured on her sitcom all the tyme. I’d be more shy of strangers b4 I’d be shy of the males in my family.
Unless of cos, your family dynamic is the kind in which seeing each’s other’s bits could lead to an orgy…
Also, there were fourth parties… It was a photoshoot. The photographer who took this pic AND HIS CREW and it was ‘Angelina Jolie’… Of cos, they’d want to see her nipples…
valleymiss, did you consider the possibility that Angelina wasn’t aware of her nipples? And you say “clearly” there is a boundary issue in that family? What ‘clearly’? You can ascertain that after ONE photo? I guess her brother and father weren’t dirty-minded and were more liberal, which is a good, not bad, thing. American’s and their obsession with things like that fascinate me, considering in many cultures nudity or breasts showing is completely normal. I live in a progressive western English-speaking first world country, and I rarely wore a bra at home in front of my father, and I nor he nor anyone else thought anything of it. I’m bemused at the suggestion I should have. I’m glad I’m not uptight or narrow-minded.
@valleymiss: That “family” photo gives me the creeps, too.
@valleymiss: I think the same thing. Super classy.
To those who disagree with my opinion (and I have no problem with it, we’ve all got opinions right?) …I dunno…coupled with her open mouth kiss with her brother at the Oscars…? It just gives me the creeps. Like, she’s even gotta be sexy and dangerous in family pictures? Lol! (And how about how Angie seduced her mom’s boyfriend?) There are some odd family dynamics there, that’s all I’m saying. Or at least there WERE, in the past. I’ve no doubt that AJ is squeaky clean now. 😉
Lauren- how dare someone be pro-Israel….
valleymiss, you come across as a tabloid-believer.
Number one, the kiss was a CLOSED mouth kiss, ON the lips. This is also common with many cultures such as Italian and others where greeting relatives with a kiss on the mouth is common.
Number two, it was proven by others that she never seduced her mother’s boyfriend, that was a load of discredited malicious rubbish by a hackloid writer who’s book rightfully bombed.
I suggest you stop believing everything you read, utilise logic and be more discerning about your reading material. 😉
@Valleymiss: Angie seducing her mom’s boyfriend was tabloid bullshit. Don’t believe everything you read in In Touch or Star magazine.
Valleymiss. I heard you guys were stuck in the 90’s, along with JA. Didnt know it was this serious… 😉
@Valleymiss:
Don’t even bother, every slightly negative point of somebody is going to be greeted by fierce defending, even if it’s not insulting. Their queen must not be insulted =).
@Sakyiwaa:
“PLUS… Aniston’s titties featured on her sitcom all the tyme. I’d be more shy of strangers b4 I’d be shy of the males in my family. ”
Actually, most of the (sexual) abuse sadly happens within a family or marriage. That means that nowadays you’d have to be more careful around the people you trust instead of strangers. And I’m not implying she was abused or anything! Just stating the abuse facts, has nothing to do with Jolie.
And damn what the hell happened to your profound way of stating an opinion? CAPS, terrible personal attacks (“Unless of cos, your family dynamic is the kind in which seeing each’s other’s bits could lead to an orgy…”) Aniston remarks without any need to, bad spelling. All over some damn stupid remark about stupid tits/nipples????
Those CNN and BBC blogs sure messed you up =). Nelson Mandela would shake his head…
@tabby@lisa: sorry, but once you sell photos of your own children to the tabloids, you’re pimping them out and it doesn’t matter a whit what the money went to. You’ve made them open game at that point. Tell me, do we hear jokes, no matter how inapproriate, about Depp’s kids? Affleck’s? Damon’s? Jackman’s? Ever seen a pic of Tom Hank’s kids, does he even have any? Spielberg? Lucas? Yeah…no…so, who exactly put their children directly into the eye of the media storm? Oh yes, the ones who CHOSE to sell them out to the tabs. The ones who sold their own personal photo shoots to a magazine. Even Michael Jackson managed to keep the faces of his children private while he was alive. Like it or not, Daddy Voight is as much of a user of his daughter for publicity here as Miss AJ Voight is of her own children to launder her reputation and that of Pitt. Even though I strongly suspect that the whole “feud” was a jumped up non-starter designed to give them both lines in the press. And obviously still is…
@Goldfish & grace: Yeah. ‘creepy’ and ‘super classy…’ but they sure trump ‘boring’ (confirmed by Pitt) and ‘stuck in 1998’ (out of the lips of John Mayer) any day ;-).
@NM9005. Yeah. I’m about as messed up as you are… Since we have spent about the same time posting multiple delusional comments… 😀
Er, does Handler have a problem with any of those kid’s parents? There is your answer. Your post is a lot of FFer invective and rubbish and nothing can excuse Aniston’s manipulating and using other people’s children for her sick game and benefit. Too bad you don’t have the decency to see it.
I think that is wonderful that they are reunited as a family and that was very sad when she shut him out.
He is a fine actor and I’ve always liked him. He seems like a nice guy.
I don’t know why would anyone add “I guess”, emphasize it’s good that’s on her terms etc. and just because he has his political opinions, doesn’t make him “crazy” or less worthy of the most human thing- to be a father and grandfather.
I don’t know anything about Angie’s mother, so I don’t know if some of her issue came from her mother.
@NM9005. …posting here and on the previous thread … 😀
Nelson Mandela doesn’t read Celebitchy btw.
Oh, and I made the ‘orgy’ comment because I do KNOW some Western families are that twisted ;-).
weren’t there some blinds/rumors that implied that Voight may have Alzheimer’s? If so, I could see Pitt strongly encouraging Jolie to end the estrangement and give her father a little latitude (especially to avoid the shoulda, woulda coulda that some people feel when they realize they’re past the point of no return).
It’s also a bit hypocritical for Jolie to make such moral judgments against her father’s infidelity when she has, allegedly, been a/the “cheater” in some of her relationships as well.
and Lauren, I don’t like Voight’s politics either but wow – nice to know that any support of Israel makes someone so hateable. Just out of curiosity, do you have the same objection to folks who show any support for the US or UK to have secure borders based on the evil done by the governments and some supporters of those countries?
ol cranky, Angelina has never been a cheater. So your comment about her father is irrelevant.
@ Lauren: I also disliked him after reading a couple of interviews and that crazy open letter Obama (in the Washington Post last year) regarding Israel. Regardless of what one might think of Jolie (whether she’s stable enough, or slightly crazy), I think it’s say to safe with Voight something’s off. I agree with other posters in that he often comes off as exploiting his relationship with her and her kids. Unless she publicly says so, who knows if she’s actually forgiven him for anything.
As for the comment on how dare someone be pro-Israel, try re-phrasing it to: How dare someone not be offended by Israel’s racist policies and illegal occupation? In other words, how dare someone be pro state racism and colonialism. Said that way, yeah, how dare anyone with a conscience.
Poor Canuck still living in her own little world where reality is a stranger.
@of cranky..her biggest feelings of betrayal were from her father telling the world of her adopting Maddox before the adoption was final, which could have caused complications. Besides it was her child and news so it should have been done in her time by her.
As for her feelings about her dad & the other woman…that was when she was younger in her teens … There was no Brad then and she had made up w/ him that is why his appearance in Tomb raider meant so much to her.. It was like a healing for her. The words Lady Croft says to her father and emotion, Angie has said many times she didn’t need to act because that was real between her dad and herself.
@ol cranky: not that I’m supporting what has been done by any side, but did you ever wonder WHY the US and the UK became targets? Aside from the sound bite rhetoric which is BS, do you actually have any idea why? It’s not “freedoms” since obviously places like Switzerland, Sweden, Holland, Canada, Denmark, France etc have the same. What makes the US and UK different? Do you know?
@Yasmine: UN vetos, 99.9% of the time…
@Katherine: Yes, I must have dreamed that they sold their children’s photos to the press. 14 million for the twins, 4+ million for Shiloh, photos taken by Pitt in the Chateau including those of Jolie breastfeeding. Yup, didn’t happen EVER… Just who is living in their own little reality? K-K-K-Katy…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgzlLpve8is&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Yasmine- Defending themselves against another country that would like to see them wiped off the earth is offensive? Palestine has kids shows about how it’d be great to kill an Israeli. Awesome country.
Israel was there over 3,000 years ago.btw
Er Canuck, I think Katherine was talking about your conspiracy theories and your opinions, not on the photos, which incidentally, was a very smart move, that can’t be denied.
That first pic is actually quite gross. A daughter standing next to her father in a tight tank top with no bra, revealing her assets. Not cute and quite tasteless, but that’s Angie.. a rebel without a cause. She seems a little classier than those young days so I give her credit for that, but that pic has to go.
Oh please all the non fans looking at her nipples.. but you all had your little faces pressed against the screen.
Typical of you.
@Lisa – James has a girlfriend you say? I thought he was gay. He seems so feminine.
And I disagree with whoever said that selling your childs photo means it is open game on them. Many sitting presidents will release a few family photos so the public gets what they want and they can still protect the privacy of their kids. You obviously come to a gossip site so you are one who is interested in photos (not sure about kids, but I bet you have looked at Angie’s kids photos before) so seems kind of hypocritical to call others pimpers when you are the one getting the benefits of it. I agree there are many famewhores in hollywierd and I don’t know whether Angie and Brad are ones or not but to release a few photos isn’t a sin in my book.
Odd how everyone bashes Jon. Never a mention of the way her mother treated her when she was small, making her live with a nanny in a different house. Or letting her move in her boyfriend into her bedroom when she was only 14. Neither parent was a winner in my book.
@annie: the Kingdom of Israel… 1020 to 931 BC. Then they allowed themselves to divide and eventually be conquered and dispersed. A common political reality under aristocratic rule, alas. For the past almost 2000 years, what is now Israel was in the hands of the Palestinians. While one can’t fault the Jewish people for wanting their own homeland, given that the Europeans regularly decided to persecute them once the powers that be owed them too much money, one also can’t fault the Palestinians for not being too happy that the Brits decided to give away the country and land they had lived on for the past 2000 years without consulting the people who actually lived there and who had absolutely nothing to do with what happened to the Jews during WWII. I wonder just how happy the Germans, Italians or Spanish would have been if the Brits had decided to hand over one of their countries without the agreement of those who actually lived there? I can guarantee you that not one of them wouldn’t still be in the grips of some form of guerilla warfare to regain what they feel is theirs. Only as white Europeans, they’d have more sympathy in the press. JMHO
@Canuck: I realize this is beyond the reach of your comprehension, but which do you think is preferable: 1) some paparazzi manages to shoot photos of the kids, sells them to the gossip tabloids and pockets a bajillion bucks, or 2) Brad and Angie sell the photos to a reputable publication and donate the money to charity?
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@Sandy: You never did anything remotely rebellious in your young days just for the hell of it? You must have missed out on a lot.
I don’t think you can lay everything at the door of the father. Her mother apparently had a few issues as well, depending on which biography that you want to read. Either way, those who provided information about her mother knew her and they are sourced by biographers [thought I’d mention that before someone explodes in here]
It takes a lot of strength to overcome the issues of both parents. And they both had (in the case of her mother) issues. More is publicised about her father, because of his initial stellar career, but her mother, after separating from Voight, didn’t have the motivation to even look at her daugher, and had her raised by nannies most of the time, during her infancy. She was also a spend-a-holic as well, with no rational approach to finances, essentially emotionally immature on a few levels.
For Angelina to come this far, she must have a lot of strength, that, and I’d imagine she has invested in some quality therapy along the way. Because both of her parents had issues.
In any case, psychological issues usually tend to arise from our environments, how we learn. And both of her parents weren’t great in providing her a stable home.
@ Lauren, really what an ignorant comment? Many people in the film industry are pro-Israel. Let’s begin with Spielberg, shall we? What makes Jon Voight more evil for supporting Israel?
As far as I can tell, so far, no Israeli has secretly loaded themselves up with explosives and randomly detonated themselves in public places, like Palestinians have, a recent female prisoner [who gained her freedom last week] has been quoted to say that she’d do it again if she had the chance.
Voight may be whacky, but he stands by his convictions. However she isn’t stupid to be as crazy as her dad in her openness [re: Israel – that’s if she felt the same way], but I’d say that if she openly supported Israel, that would make it a hell of a lot more difficult or impossible for her to visit other Middle Eastern countries as a UN ambassador, that openly loathe Israel (most Arab countries do and if they say they don’t they’re just being polite) and would immediately make a negative association with the visit – as Arab countries usually do as most of them believe in the propaganda of a Zionist conspiracy.
OH and here is the classy thing about Angelina..
YOU will never find in any interview or comment that she has made where she has spoken badly about another person. EVER
so yeah Classy.. some of you could learn a lesson or two from her on that score.
And of course the old she held her father to a standard whatever. John cheated on her mother when Angie was less than 3 years old. They separated when she was 2 or so. There are loads of pictures of her with her father at various stages of her life. She was not holding a grudge. Her problem with her father has been an ongoing thing. After the promotion of TR her father wrote her a hateful letter.. that is when she broke off contact. Not to mention he went on TV and spouted off crap that was misinterpreted.. and to this day being used against her. Statements that could have interfered with her adoption of Maddox. Especially since she still had to go through home visits and such.
so all that misinformation about her talking about her father cheating 28 years later is silly. That was not the reason for their break.
but please as always with Angie.. don’t let the true facts mess up your uninformed judgments.
@Auds: http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm
Maybe you need to read up on the Stern gang and Irgun, not to mention when the Israelis decide to pass themselves off as Canadians, Americans or nationals of other allied countries in order to assassinate people. Thereby putting at risk the nationals of those countries once the sh*t hits the fan.
@Hi Sakyiwaa: I’m starting to like you haha…
Yes, I’m a multitasker =).
Of course he doesn’t but you seem to hold him in high regard, as with the Doctors without Borders etc…so it’s weird you would spew such vile things to somebody you don’t know. I didn’t expect that from somebody who respects such organisations and people and again, could discuss like a non-crazy person. I couldn’t believe you would write that even though I don’t know you at all. Was hoping it wasn’t you but somebody who used our name and was preparing my apologies actually…
Ok, true it happens in many countries, in “respectable” neighbourhoods… It’s really sad =( and most of the time the men are treated as victims and the women aren’t helped at all.
I digress, my point was you didn’t have to direct it at that commenter. It was quite personal.
@35
lisa, what did you expect? canuck is from FF.
I think some of you sound like a bunch of bigots.
Israel is a people and a country, and if someone were here making blanket statements calling to be against Islam because of their advocacy of terrorism or their calls for jihads and the fact that all of the Sept 11th terrorists were Muslim it would be a problem. Or would that stay as the first comment?
But the Left has been becoming increasingly full of such blanket statements which is worrisome.
@49
You, a hater, are obsessed with Jolie.
The paparazzi know that people are much more interested in Jolie and Pitt, and therefore in their children, than in the celebs you mentioned. Surely you know that! That’s why we see so many pictures of them. The paparazzi know how to make money.
It DOES matter (to those who benefit) where the money went. It’s great that the money went into their foundation from where it goes to charities of their choice. Others, like JLo, put it in their pocket. That’s her choice.
@ Lauren
“I actually used to like him till I read an interview of him and I found out that he’s extremely pro Israel. Now he can go suck it.”
Oh this. I’m not a frat boy but can i still express a (with trepidation?) fuck yeah! Thanks lauren, sometimes i feel alone out here…
@ Annie Grey- Palestine isn’t a country, Israel has denied that possibility..or aren’t you paying attention? And “btw” the majority of Israeli’s don’t recognise ANY form of Palestinian identity.
@ Auds- please come to the West Bank or go to Gaza. No, I can’t think of instances where Israeli’s have loaded themselves up with explosives for a suicide mission, they don’t have to, they have a military that fights for them (however maybe google Baruch Goldstein).
Anyhoo I can’t think of a single palestinian that has loaded their F-16’s with phosphorus gas and bombs and used drones to kill thousands (no, not dozens) of civilians, i can’t think of a single palestinian that has bulldozed israeli homes, i can’t think of a single palestinian that has stolen “israeli land”, i can’t recall a single palestinian ever…. well the list goes on, and i still can’t think of a single israeli who is worried about being humiliated, raped or beaten at checkpoints… funny that. Get educated.
Aside from my vitriol, voight seems determined to give the press unsolicited angie updates at any opportunity so i can understand where she’s coming from. Maybe just keeping his mouth shut would be a good idea, but really, his daughter is the only thing that makes him still relevant.
I’m glad for father and daughter that they have put the past behind them, and it’s great that JV enjoys being with his grandchildren.
Canuck you must have missed the pics of Vanessa P. breastfeeding Lily Rose in 1999 in a national mag (a beautiful shot, but shows way more than the pic Brad took of Angie doing the same) or the daily pics of the Affleck and Jackman kids. Seriously we see many more pictures of Violet, Seraphina, Oscar and Ava than any other celeb.
Team Israel!
Tabbycat, I agree with you completely over that angelina posing in a tanktop braless with her brother and father is not necessarily a creepy thing. A lot of people are quite liberal about these things, and a lot of cultures too. The Finnish and other scandanavian countries actually go into the family sauna completely naked with their mother, father and siblings. Not to mention it’s a tradition in some scandanvian regions to strip naked during midsummer night. It’s not a bad thing, and it is certainly not a new thing either. No need to demonize it or call it creepy.
Auds, what makes Jon voight more ‘evil’ than steven spielberg is very simple. Steven spielberg supports Israel as a state, and identifies with its jewish character, since he is Jewish himself, that is natural. Jon voight is a known zionists and supports and has funded ILLEGAL settlements that even Israel looks down upon. So yes there is a very clear and big difference, if you have any knowledge about Israeli politics or Israel in general, you would know this.
and Auds, no Israeli has loaded themselves with explosives… so what are Irgun and Hanagah exactly? If I remember correctly they were dubbed as terrorist jewish militants….
As for Angelina, Angelina is actually quite supportive of the Palestinian refugees as she has visited many refugee camps and documented this in her book as a UN goodwill ambassador. It’s a shame the world likes to dub the Palestinians as ‘Iraqi refugees’ instead. And as for your openness about Israel and visiting middle eastern countries… lol you do realize that Egypt, Jordan, Morocco have relations with Israel, trade and military cooperation and so on…
Awww that’s good their relationship is back on track, love the both of them!!
Ugghh i hate it when commenters on this website start to mix POLITICS with celebrity entertainment, becuz 99% of the time their comments sound idiotic & VERY IGNORANT.
Please people, stick to critisizing celebs. Thats what were here for.
@Freya.
awww so that was what I *******.
boy they can’t be happy in that pool of ****.. they have to come out in the real world and spread that silliness.
Now I know.. and when you know, you are ahead of the game and the players.
Gretchen-I won’t call it a country, again.
I second the notion. This is NOT the forum for a discussion of Middle East politics.
It’s not that I don’t have an interest in the subject–my Mom is from Israel. I have very strong opinions about the subject and the lies and half truths bandied about.. However, this is not the appropriate venue.
Several people have stated or inferred that Jon Voight is using his daughter to get acting gigs or stay in the spotlight.
The guy is a working actor–he has never really slowed down. Obviously, as one ages the parts offered differ but he does fine on his own. The guy has been nominated for an Academy Award FOUR TIMES and has won once. He’s not a 2 bit actor living vicariously through his daughter.
@Auds: I surely hope you are not talking about the “biographies” written by Ian Halperin and Andrew Morton. Halperin is a pathological liar, and Morton’s book is totally lacking in footnotes, index, bibliography or any kind of reference. A lousy example of a “biography”.
It’s easy to slam Marcheline Voight after the woman is dead and unable to refute any of it.
I agree, let’s not turn this thread about Jolie’s dad into a political fight.
I hope and wish for peace between the people of Israel and the Palestinians.
Venice, I’ve seen that whole breast picture of Vanessa Paradis too. Compared to that, there’s nothing to see in Jolie’s breastfeeding picture.
Canuck, there have been many pictures of the children of Depp and Damon and Affleck and Cruise and Jlo and others. The public is MORE interested in the JP brood because their dad is Brad Pitt and their mom is Angelina Jolie!
Even haters want to read all about the JP kids. You are one of them!
I’m glad they were able to work things out.The heaviest burden,is the one you carry in your heart.
Nice to know they finally are talking to each other. Jon Voight is getting old and I’m sure the happiest moments he spends are when he is with his grandkids. I wonder why we never hear from Angie’s brother?
OMG! Its Shilo as an old man! The bio kids really take after her and her family!
Wow, anti-Semite much? Deplorable comments.
I’m a pretty liberal person but we in North America have got to stop apologizing for not being Western Europe. Okay, so people in Europe wear their breasts one way and people in America don’t, so when presented with different cultural norms there’s a reaction of surprise and sometimes shock. So, who is being murdered? You want to frolic in the nip, do it, but be aware that demonizing someone else from averting his gaze and relating his malfunction of morality to some deep-seated psychopathy or a signal of the distress of your culture as a whole and as a matter of fact does not really speak to the all-embracing nature of the European soul towards which we should all apparently strive. I find spinach vile beyond all comprehension, and that’s why you must bomb Canada? What’s the link? Isn’t it enough to admire and enjoy the beauty in those nations and what they have offered us? Why do we have to all each relationship into antipathy. I had the opportunity to go to Europe and I frigging LOVED my time there and will find ways to get back there, you can put your first born’s life on it, but good luck trying to shame the nations into being exactly like Europe, but, y’know, bastardized. Hand touching the clouds experience that I had there, I don’t find myself to be culturally or intellectually lacking at home.
It’s a tank top, not a declaration of war or a biography proposal, no disrespect, but it really THAT telling when someone responds differently? It’s clothes, isn’t that inherent in their nature?
FFS, to those of you who have jumped on me. Take a chill pill. I’m not going to even bother elaborating as I don’t feel that I have to.
And if you’re looking for a fight Cheyenne, as you usually are, then you can still keep waiting. I’m not biting the bait. I’m a bit fed up with adding a comment, to be bullied by you.
This is Celebitchy.
Wanna argue political veiws?- Please take it to a political site.
Geez, what ever happened to light hearted celeb gossip.
@altdixie, anti-semite? Who said something against semites or jews? Last I remember anti-zionism is not anti-semitism, nor is criticism of Israeli policies. Please pick up an education book for once. Sorry for picking on you, but the whole calling someone an anti-semite because they criticize Israeli foreign policy pisses me right off. You should know that Israeli academics and Jews are often the heaviest and harshest critics of Israel.
@Canuck and @Auds
Thanks for your comments regarding Israel and Palestine – they’re intelligent and well-thought out. I like to tease you Canuck but I’m on your side on this one. You’ve both written it out much more eloquently than I could have. Honestly though (and I think you’ve probably already seen this from the responses), I think your entries are probably wasted here.
pulling the “anti-semite” card is so lame.
Gretchen and Leen: Yes, thank you.
Jon Voight: Good actor; dumber than a sack of doorknobs.
It’s a good thing they mend fences and are back in better terms whatever their viewson politics. They are daughter and father, they are not perfect but they have that daughter/father bond that is most of the time undestructible
It’s always important for humanbeings to do it while you are still alive, otherwise you may have regrets of what might have been if you had tried.
The joy of being reunited is so powerful and worth it.
That’s why, it think it’s great for Jolie who has lost her mother to have succeed in keeping on lock her fear to be hurt again to have a chance to be a daughter again and have her father in her life.
I hope Jon realised how lucky he is that both his children have accepted him back in their life and that he won’t blew it away this time.
On that matter, I have found a blog held by Marcheline’s sister who lost both Marcheline and their brother, two years later.
It was so touching the love letters she wrote about her sister. The celebration she gave to her and the fact that she is grateful to have her husband and children in here before being reunited with her sister in heaven, one day. Apparently, they were super close.
I saw a picture of her and family members gathering a few days after Marcheline’s death and Voight was there with a flower. I found it touching.
The Stern gang and the Irgun?
So now we are revisiting the 1940s? Seriously? Do you even know how tiny these groups were? I’m not so sure you can compare the aftermath of the holocaust with the current situation.
@Auds: FFS yourself, nobody is trying to fight with you. You said according to some bios which you didn’t name, Angie’s mother had some issues herself. The only bios that said anything about Angie’s mother are Halperin’s and Morton’s. Halperin’s bio was a lying hatchet job, and Morton made some dumb-ass statement that Marcheline Voight resented Angie because she looked so much like her father, which caused a lot of problems in Angie. Everyone who knows Angie has observed that she and her mother have always been close. Morton’s and Halperin’s bios are patently false, and if those were the bios you were referring to, then you cited false information and I called you on it.
@Canuck – The US and UK are not only targets because of their support for Israel. Both the US and the UK have a history of Imperialism (the US is pretty much still an Imperialistic Nation) so let’s not blame Israel for all of our woes and bad deeds. We earned (and, thanks to the dominionists, continue to earn a bad reputation worldwide).
As for my comments re: allegations of Jolie being a cheater – I was not referring to Pitt but her previous relationships/marriages in which there are allegations (did she not get involved with Billy Bob while he was still involved with Laura Dern?)
I am surprised at some posters here, so loaded with hate toward Israel.
and to hate on a person for supporting Israel?
How did a nice post about reuniting a father and his family is an excuse for such fervor?
The Palestinians refused to live at their state when the UN has declared 2 states Israel and Palestine at 48′ and decided that their treatment of Jews living in the area is killing them all.
In some incredible turn of events, they somehow lost, even though most of the Arab countries have participated and they had armies and trained soldiers.
So, if you decided to go to war, because you are a racist and cannot stand the idea of Jews living next to you, why do you whine when there are consequences for your decision to fight someone.
and don’t even get me started about the US and UK, as your example actually proves the counter-point of view, as Denmark and the rest of the civilized world, has suffered too, from acts of violence in the name of Islam.
Hate on someone for supporting a Western, secular country, that actually contributed to science, the arts and culture, doesn’t serve your cause.
As for the “Irgun and Hanagah”, they were the basis of IDF- thanks to them, the Jews that lived in the territories that are Israel today have survived the attempt to be killed for being Jewish.
Leen, you wrote: “The Finnish and other scandanavian countries actually go into the family sauna completely naked with their mother, father and siblings.”
As CHILDREN. You know, pre-teens. Before puberty. Before the breasts have developed. Not after that, good god. The very idea is nauseating. Well, if you’re a girl, you’ll go to sauna with your sisters and mother, and boys will go there with their fathers and brothers. Not everyone together, no.
And I’m a supposedly liberal European, have gone skinny dipping in the summer with my friends, and been to sauna in mixed company – with men and women who were not related to me in any way, and I still find the top photo tacky and unnerving. The are moments when you just don’t have to go to your default sexy, sultry pose, Angie dear. Blech.
@Katherine: When people start trying to re-write history, common sense goes out the window.
Auds: Good for you for not taking the bait. Don’t give in though. Attention is what keeps bullies going.
And that picture is gross. I understand that some of you worship the ground Jolie stands on but the hypocrisy mind boggling. It’s ok for her to pose without a bra with her nipples showing with her dad and her brother in a photo that was released to the world and it’s European and open and liberal. Or how about those horse pictures where her boobs are completely exposed. Or the films she’s appeared in, tits-out.
But when Aniston poses naked but covering up her privates or has her nips showing in a freezing studio on a tv show, its the most God awful, classless thing in the world.
Far as I can tell, no one has ever seen full Aniston bare nipple in public unlike your princess supreme.
@ol cranky: That would make Billy Bob the cheater, not Jolie. Nobody has ever accused her of cheating on her partners.
Damn iPad and the speller thingy.
Cranky… Laura Dern again? Everytime she gets mentioned is as a victim, which she is not. She meddled in BBT’marriage with chillaren… And then he never married her and most probably they broke and then he got married to AJ. Laura then went on to be the other woman again in Ben Harper’s marriage with children, she was even pregnant at the same time than his wife.
Now that you mentioned, I remembered all those Jen fans claiming that because JT was not married to Heidi, it was ok to cheat, er… “move on” to another woman, JA. It would be same in AJ and BBT’s case, so it was never cheating and neither was AJ ever a “homewrecker”.
@ Heine
Maybe it’s gross, but the same persons who are offended about the grossity of boobs in a 20 something, were mute and silent last week when 42 years old JA was all nipples and partly boobs in full display in a semi dress.
And yess pointy nipples there were also very noticeable under the material as well as more flesh than necessary.
Personally it didn’t shock me at all there and didn’t shock me here where there is at least more covering of the boobs on a 20 something besides.
So i get the grossity of some. I just don’t get the double standard of the same people when it comes to pointy nipples at one week of interval between a twenty something 15 years ago and a current 42 something who has been caught countless of times wether on shows, red carpets, ect with the same very noticeable pointy nipples without it never triggered that grossity sentiment.
AJ at the time of the pic is more or lees any youngster in HW right Now, miley, racoon taylor, etc.
Now, nipple gate …JA has displayed hers on purpose all her career, not only in movies, but everywhere! She could have easily worn a thicker bra all these years, give it a break.
@ Heine
There were actually a full nude boobs Aniston picture wearing only a thong walking on a beach. She was in full display. Another one was seized where she was all boobs out in full display while smoking. So yeah she has been caught in such position.
And like I said, last week she was once again with her frozen nipples and a short dress revealing half of her boobs in a a very formal party where everyone was fully dressed.
Again that is still current, at 42 years of age, hence twice the age Jolie was about those photos you are talking about that are long in the past in Jolie’s case.
If I had to cast out every insane person in my life, there would be no one left. Everyone has a degree of insanity. Life is too short to be bitter and angry. Forgiveness is the key to happiness, so you’re not holding on to hate. I’m very happy for both of them.
I’m European, born and raised.
But even I must admit that no other continent on this earth has more bloody, more violent and more hate fueled history than EUROPE.
Two world wars, countless ethnic, religious, civil and territorial wars over centuries.
Europeans came to North America and almost wipped out the natives for pure greed nothing else, just one example of what injustice Europeans caused.
I’m so ashamed of how Jews are still treated in Europe, being a Christian and after everything that Jews went through before, during and after the holocaust.
Why are they always targeted, why can’t they just be left alone by whatever group be it neo-nazis or terrorist muslims.
Just let them be!
@Cheyenne: so someone who gets involved with a man who you know is involved in a relationship makes her somehow permits her to make a claim of moral superiority? Sorry, the fact the he was the one directly lying to his partner doesn’t negate any culpability on her part and doesn’t somehow make her a better person than her partner.
Julia: She was topless at a beach. How European of her. 😉 I’d never seen those, so I stand corrected. But I will say she’s never done posed nudes with anything really exposed like a porn actress nor has she done softcore porn (Original Sin).
But the point isn’t that Jolie’s nipples are pointy and showing (that shirt isn’t exactly opaque), its that they are pointy and showing while posing with her DAD and her brother. That is beyond icky to me.
We can have a difference of opinion about it but personally, when I have daughters, their boobs will be fully covered around their male relatives.
Billy Bob cheated on Laura with Jolie. He kicked her out, bags and all. Classy. And Jolie was a part of that.
She did cheat on Johnny Lee. With Jenny Shimizu. They were together in 1996 and she met Johnny in 1995. Do the math. Johnny had to go through her crazy “I am playing the person I am in film”. Shimizu even confessed that she hooked up many times with her throughout the years while Jolie was romantically involved. Common knowledge…
Then on the set of Mr. Mrs Smith, Pitt and Jolie fell in love. JA knew something was up and during their vacation, he confessed. A book that isn’t based on lies:
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/pitt_jolie_heated_up_set_8EVdBtW5ynTj0TVQSan9WJ
Being Brad’s former friend, you can’t deny how many bridges he burnt with that confession. Plus, you can’t say he’s a shoddy journalist without sources.
A woman or man very well knows that if you hook up with somebody that is supposed to be “unavaible” in what way whatsoever, you are actively participating in the cheating. Your moral compass should point in the “exit” direction and go after somebody that is available if you are a confident, nice person. If we are shaming on Dern, JA, Rimes and all those other women (and men) then Jolie is definitely a part of that. More than once. And if my bf would ever cheat on me, I would shame both him and the person he cheated me with. That’s what you get when you lie and hurt the ones you love. Karma.
Oh and her tits? Big deal they look nice, she always had good boobs. I’m European and I couldn’t give a damn but being European or not has got nothing to do with it imo. Some people are prudish, and some aren’t. Being nude is the most natural, vulnerable form of a human being. I can only find that beautiful.
Besides, I have seen Jolie’s boobs in three films already, this is nothing =).
@NM9005:
I don’t find the top picture showing Angelina without a bra with her nipples hard, appropriate taken with her dad and brother.
I’m European and I can’t agree with it.
Yes, naked human body is beautiful and there is nothing to be ashamed of, but there is a reason why not everything is appropriate at every time.
I don’t show up to class with no bra on or go to the hospital and do my rounds with hard nipples or go to the post office or jump on a plane.
Definitely would never be dressed in a way Angelina is in the top picture around my male family members.
But I certainly do it around my boyfriend and I’m almost always topless at the beach.
I’m no prude, I’m not ashamed of my body, I actually love it and I’m happy with.
I’m just saying :
RIGHT PLACE, RIGHT TIME!
HAVE SOME CLASS!
JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT, DOESN’T MEAN IT SHOULD BE ON DISPLAY!
@ NM9005 :
I don’t think it’s appropriate to be around your male family members without a bra on.
No problem around my boyfriend or friends or even strangers going to the beach.
I don’t come from a religious family, but I just think that it’s tacky and not classy.
I’m from Spain and we never showed skin in front of our male family members, since being pre-teens with my two sisters.
My impression of Jolie is that she is more than “regular crazy”.
I just kind of believe what her dad said a while back, that she has some metal issues.
Rolling my eyes@ this whole write up. Who gives a poop how pitt Was involved or not involved. I bet he was tho because Jon voight is a good actor and brad probably wanted some tips…oh wait I forgot, this site thinks brad’s acting is spectacular. Rolling my eyes some more.
@NM9005. You’re interesting too. In hindsight, I know I wasn’t very objective… Alas, I was trying to make an analogy.
Rolling my eyes @ this whole write up. Who gives a poop how pitt Was involved or not involved. I bet he was tho because Jon voight is a good actor and brad probably wanted some tips…oh wait I forgot, this site thinks brad’s acting is spectacular. Rolling my eyes some more. And wtF @ the comments about hard nipples and how wrong she is for wearing a tank top around her father. Wow
Heine,forgetting Horrible Bosses?
That is more “softcore porn” actress than anything Jolie has ever done.
Anyway,it’s good that they are working things out.
@Valleymiss …
The thing is, if Angie ‘really’ did seduce her mother’s boyfriend, where’s the proof? If it’s true, then there must be some tangible proof out there from a ‘named’ source, right? And I’m not talking about Ian Halperin’s book either, which has been debunked on SO many levels or Andrew Morton’s ‘anonymously sourced’ book, that had nearly as many re-cycled tabloid stories as Halperin’s did. I’m talking about actual, ‘Marcheline Bertrand said’ or ‘I was with Marcheline Bertrand when Angie rubbed up against her Mom’s boyfriend’ kind of proof … not the ‘a source close to the family’ B.S., which is made up 99% of the time.
As close as Angie and her mother were (no estrangements there), can’t you see how doubtful some of us are about your statement? If you have actual proof, please provide a link for us. Thank you.
@ol cranky: I didn’t say it made her a better person than her partner. But it doesn’t make her a cheater. He was the cheater, not her, but the jenhens blamed her for all of it. Go figure.
Bean: i’ve never seen horrible bosses. Was she completely nude simulating quite realistic looking sex that if you didn’t know it was in a major film you’d think you’d switched to Skinemax like Jolie was in Original Sin?
Or did she stick food objects in her mouth with underwear on and take a picture of herself faking sex with someone? That’s what I got from the trailer but if she was fully exposed in the film then I will gladly eat my words.
@Sakyiwaa: No hard feelings here =). Sometimes things can get heated and I know that I need to stop it and back up sometimes because my point vanishes in too many comments (30+ on that last thread, emberassing). I just like argueing so much haha…
@Capri, Barcelona: Yeah I get that. But she wasn’t going out or in public. It was a promotional pic or something. It doesn’t say anything on how she dressed at other times (around her family). How many ads are there where the women are submissive to men? Sex sells and I think that is far more worse but nobody complains about that besides the feminists and they are not taken seriously most of the time. But one pic of 10+ years ago, one moment in a lifetime should be offensive?
If I would have children I wouldn’t be ashamed of undressing before their eyes. If it’s in a healthy, loving enviroment were we trust and support each other, I could care less what other people might say about it. I used to prance around naked in my house all the time much to my grandmother’s dismay =D. I see it is a symbol of freedom and being yourself. Why should I contain myself in order to not upset men? My body, my choice, in my house that is. When outside, I’m a proper lady WITH bra and other clothes ;). Oh, but I wouldn’t want my children to be too naked around men (except their dad) because they do not realise what can happen. It’s all very difficult to explain but in my head it fits y’know?
Im happy for the kids sake he can be part of their lives.
@NM9005 :
To me it’s offensive, it’s not the right message. We don’t know who sees these pics and what they use it for.
Yes, SEX sells, but I don’t remeber when I last saw a picture like Jolie’s with her father and brother with another female model.
It’s CREEPY to me.
Jolie knows that the scrutiny-fish bowl existence comes with the territory.
The huge amounts money that they get paid, the perks from the best restaurant tables to free merchandise and all of the critisism is part of the deal.
All I’m saying is that I would never be dressed in that way around my male family members.
I think it needs to be pointed out that way too many cases of sexual abuse and molestation start in the home, unfortunately sometimes by fathers, brothers cousins or uncles.
IT CANNOT BE UNDERESTIMATED!
I come from a very free thinking European family, but it’s a misconception that I often hear and don’t like hearing that most European’s are running around half naked in front of their families.
It’s quite different to be showing “stuff” in front of my dad or brother, compared to a stranger on the beach or a buddy.
@NM9005 :
To me it’s offensive, it’s not the right message in my opinion, doesn’t matter when it was taken.
Yes, SEX sells, but I don’t remember when I last saw a picture like this with Jolie.
It’s CREEPY to me.
The whole kissing episode with her brother and few other things that I read or heard make me think that boundaries were not properly set-up, maybe in her childhood.
I kissed my brother, dad and grandpa countless times, but only on the two cheeks.
Lip kissing is only reserved for my boyfriend, it’s too sexual for me to share with family members.
Jolie knows that the scrutiny-fish bowl existence comes with the territory.
The huge amounts of money that they get paid, the perks from the best restaurant tables to free merchandise and all of the critisism is part of the deal.
All I’m saying is that I would never be dressed in that way around my male family members.
I think it needs to be pointed out that way too many cases of sexual abuse and molestation start in the home, unfortunately sometimes by fathers, brothers cousins or uncles.
IT CANNOT BE UNDERESTIMATED!
I come from a very free thinking European family, but it’s a misconception that I often hear and don’t like hearing that most European’s are running around half naked in front of their families.
Not in my house and I have no problem with being naked or sexuality, but there is time a place for everything in life.
It’s quite different to be showing “stuff” in front of my dad or brother, compared to a stranger on the beach or a boyfriend.
@Barcelona:
Totally with you on your last paragraph! I too pointed out in another Jolie thread that (sexual) abuse happens more within a family/marriage than by strangers. Sickening and sad! But I wouldn’t want to instill that fear in my children, just teach them the consequences of certain actions. Not that women are to blame but some men can’t contain themselves so children must be aware of that. And I would never let them run butt naked all the time of course =).
Oh believe me, there are a lot of awkward family photos by normal people too, we just don’t get to see them because those people aren’t famous so unvisible for the public eye.
That picture is clearly from her 20′. AKA the crazy, I-want-to-break-out-as-a serious-actress period. So probably trying to look edgy and naughty, that’s her thing. Plus she never had that conventional father-daughter relays so she might’ve not realised how this might look =).
You find it creepy and offensive, that’s your right. I’m fine with that, I can see how other people don’t find this normal but for me it’s kind of “meh”.
“completely nude simulating quite realistic looking sex”-There are so many actors who do this,Kate Winslet comes to mind(BIG TIME!),but it doesn’t mean they are classless whores! It’s call acting,just like Aniston was doing when she was masterbating in a tub and telling someone to “eat my pu**y”.I was just answering to that fact that you were calling Jolie some kind of pornstar,when none of her roles have been described as a “character whose actions and words would make a pornstar blush”,like Aniston’s in Horrible Bosses.
Bean: So you think simulating masturbation is more classless than simulating hardcore sex?
@NM9005, #124 … “Then on the set of Mr. Mrs Smith, Pitt and Jolie fell in love. JA knew something was up and during their vacation, he confessed. A book that isn’t based on lies:
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/pitt_jolie_heated_up_set_8EVdBtW5ynTj0TVQSan9WJ
Being Brad’s former friend, you can’t deny how many bridges he burnt with that confession. Plus, you can’t say he’s a shoddy journalist without sources.”
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(Blinks) Are you seriously giving credit to a second-hand source’s third-hand sourced–and unauthorized–book? Arnon Milchan didn’t write this book, it was written ‘about’ him by Joseph Gelman and Meir Doron. And since the book was unauthorized, they probably never spoke directly to Arnon Milchan at all. Arnon Milchan may have been a friend of Brad’s, but Joseph Gelman and Meir Doron certainly weren’t. More over, what Gelman and Doron say in their book contradicts what we know to be true.
Jen kicked Brad out of the house when she found out about his and Angie’s ‘on set’ thing? How then to explain that joint separation announcement issued in January 2005? And if Jen kicked Brad out of the house after he ‘confessed’ everything to her during their February 2005 vacation (according to this book), then how do we explain the hugging and tears on the beach, or the fact that when they returned home from that vacation they walked away together arm in arm?
Furthermore, why would Courtney Cox, who was obviously in Jen’s camp, then lie about it in that 2005 “Vanity Fair” article? After all, if Arnon Milchan knew that Jen kicked Brad out of the house after she found out everything during that February vacation, surely her BFF would have known as well, right? After all, she and her husband David were on the same vacation.
And an awful lot of what happened around the filming of “Mr. and Mrs. Smith” is SO easy to check. For instance: the notion that Arnon Milchan introduced Angelina to Brad and then cast Brad to play opposite her is ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that Nicole Kidman was originally cast to play Jane Smith, but Director Doug Liman messed around so long that she had to drop out to honor her contract for another film (I think it was “The Stepford Wives”). The search to find her replacement took so long that Brad was ready to drop out himself. Then Angie was cast.
Doug Liman started filming “Mr. and Mrs. Smith” in January 2004. They stopped two months later so that Brad could go to Europe to film “Ocean’s Twelve.” They started filming again in the fall of 2004. Brad and Jen separated in January 2005. Brad and Jen went on vacation with Courtney Cox and David Arquette in February 2005. Jen filed for divorce in March 2005. Brad joined Angie in Africa in April 2005. They re-shot scenes of the film with the principal actors from late April through May of 2005. The film was released in June of 2005.
Classless? None of it is classless! Masterbating,sex,etc,are normal activities.
Hardcore sex? To me,the love scene in Original Sin was just that,a ‘love’ scene.No one telling anyone to eat their pu**y(or other ~sexy~ demands),no bodily fluids, & no penis or lady bits(besides BOOBS!OMG!) showing.
They are both actors,’simulating’ is what they do.Neither are classless.Neither are pornstars,but to me,it seemed like you were/are judging their off-screen ~morals~ by how ‘classless’ they both are on-screen,as actors acting the part.If that was/is the case then Aniston in HB takes the cake.
Angelina WAS unstable back then, and I’m not just talking about the wild child image and Billy Bob Thorton years. In interviews, she has admitted to deep depression. Still, her dad shouldn’t have called her crazy in public. It would’ve been more sensitive and fatherly to deny comment and try to help her behind the scenes. He paid for such mistakes through an estrangement that lasted ten years. I think it’s wrong to assume he only patched up the relationship so that he could talk about his wonderful family life in the press. I think he is a sincere man who realizes his mistakes and truly cherishes the opportunity to be a part of his daughter’s life. As for Angelina, I’m sure she also realizes that her youthful behavior was erratic. Instead of criticizing them, we should all take lessons from their struggle and wish them well.
Bean: hmmm. I wasn’t talking about morality. I said that Original Sin was soft porn (and it is) and you tried to make the argument that Aniston masturbing in a tub was somehow more porny than anything Jolie has been in. Which is just blatantly untrue.
But whatever, I’m done with this circular conversation.
One love making scene=porn movie?
and it is true,seeing as(again) Jolie’s roles have never been described as PORN-LIKE but ok…
Bean: you’ve clearly never seen Original Sin.
Oh, please! Basic instinct, Fatal aTtraction, The Lover (Annaud movie), OMG!!!!!!!!!! Last Tango in Paris, Whie Palace (sarandon and Spader, and many movies with Sarandon and Spader in them, like the hard to watch Crash), Sex, Lies and Videotape, The hunger, REqueim for a dream, Irreversible, The piano teacher, Antonia’s line, the ugly Baise-moi, European movies OF COURSE, I can’t remember the names, Wild at heart, Body heat, 91/2 weeks, Body of evidence (madonna and dafoe), eyes wide shut, Boys don’t cry, Showgirls, Y tu mama tambien, The piano, Dangerous liasons, quite a few almodovar films, that horror movie filmed in Venice, etc.
There is only one of all these that would only qualify as porn, but not the others, even if they are quite explicit. I would dare to advise some poster(s) not to watch anyhing beyond PG, it seems to affect them badly.
@Heine, #147 … “Bean: you’ve clearly never seen Original Sin.”
I guess the question everyone is getting at is was the explicit love scene in “Original Sin” (that you can’t seem to get out of your head) any steamier than the explicit love scenes in the William Hurt and Kathline Turner film “Body Heat,” or explicit sex scenes in Jody Foster’s film “The Accused,” or in the Sharon Stone and Michael Douglas film “Basic Instinct,” or between Diane Lane and Olivier Martinez in the film “Unfaithful,” or in some of Nicole Kidman’s films? In other words, “Original Sin” seems to be the only movie you’ve seen with an explicit love scene, but not so much for the rest of us. You act as if Antonio Banderas wasn’t in the film at all and that Angie just acted out that scene without any regard for the script or any input from the Director.
And in my opinion, sitting through an explicit love scene with a tasteful soundtrack in a movie theater is far more comfortable than sitting through Jennifer Aniston’s explicit masturbation tub scene while she utters the lines “Eat my pu$$y” and “F$ck me hard in the a$$.” That’s probably just me though.
@ Emma that’s crass comedy. 20 years ago some crass teen movies were in bogue (I can remember some of them 🙁 ), and now the then teens are still making those, but with adults.
Original sin was a beautiful film. I loved the scenery and cinematography, not only the beautiful Antonio and Angelina in the leads.
The cinematographer was Rodrigo Prieto, who had worked in films like Amores Perros, Lust, Caution , Alexander (2 times worked with AJ!), and I think that he was Oscar nominated for his work in Brokeback Mountain.
No wonder some can’t get those scenes out of their heads!.
Emma: Actually it’s not the only movie I’ve seen with explicit ‘love scenes’ (sex scenes). And the fact that there was an explicit scene isn’t the discussion topic. Other explicit scenes from other movies are irrelevant to the discussion.
The original statement was that Aniston hadn’t done anything nearly as porny as Jolie. Bean disagreed citing Horrible Bosses, which I haven’t seen.
To me, explicit full-on intercourse between two people with the intent to arouse the audience is more porny and uncomfortable than a crude masturbating joke played for laughs.
That joke is clearly in poor taste but in the context of an already crude film that isn’t primarily about sex, it’s not even close to porn. That’s just my opinion and we are free to disagree.
Anyway, I don’t have issues with explicit scenes in movies, it’s just a fact that Jolie has done more of them and far more explicit ones than Aniston. Nothing wrong with it- just stating facts.
#144 Bethany:
After reading through all of the comments, I got to one that I could agree with. Thanks for the sensible comment.
Also, whoever commented that Voight was “using” Jolie to be relevant…I agree with the poster that said he is a working actor and always has been.
“she’s never done posed nudes with anything really exposed like a porn actress nor has she done softcore porn (Original Sin)”
“no one has ever seen full Aniston bare nipple in public unlike your princess supreme”
^^^These statements are implying that Jolie is some kind of porn actress(for simulating sex) & classless (for showing some nipple¡!OMG!¡)
Thus implying that Aniston is sooo much ~classier~ than jolie.When Aniston has shown her nipples to everyone and their mothers,posed nude only like a bajillion times & (yes,”with the intent to arouse the audience”) masterbated on-screen!
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“The original statement was that Aniston hadn’t done anything nearly as porny as Jolie. Bean disagreed citing Horrible Bosses,
“it’s just a fact that jolie has done more of them and far more explicit ones than ansiton”
^^^Even though it went there,this was not my point(see above),I’m no prude but since we’re classifying whats porny to us…simulated oral sex with fruits & sausages,masterbating, & screaming “eat my pu**y””fu*k me hard in the ass” would make me feel uncomfortable more than a full on sex/love scene!
It’s all subjective.
Lose case.
Jolie is not some kind of porn actress.
~That is all~
We’ll just have to agree to disagree, Bean.
But I have to say: Jolie has done more love/sex scenes in movies than Aniston, period. There is no denying that.
And showing pointy, covered nipples is different than exposing them altogether. Just ask your local police chief when you have your breasts out on display and get arrested for indecent exposure while the pointy-nippled woman wearing a thin t-shirt nearby averts her eyes.
@Heine: Anybody who would classify “Original Sin” as soft porn needs to have their mind washed out with Lysol.
I wouldn’t call sex between a married couple (as shown on “Original Sin”) hardcore either.
Maybe you just have a problem with sex, period. Does it embarrass you?
Cheyenne: I like a good, athletic romp in the hay as much as anyone else. Thankfully I’m young enough to do so without breaking a hip.
But do I want other people to see me having sex on ANY way, shape or form, including playing pretend? Nope. And I would venture to guess most people are in my camp on the subject.
Oh and Peter Travers from Rolling Stone: The film aspires to be Hitchcock…but comes off like one of those soft-core Red Shoe Diaries flicks you see on cable tv.
I guess sex must embarrass him too.