Here’s some just-released photos, which are the last ones that we have access to of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes together — they’re shown holding hands on 4/1 in Baton Rouge while Tom took a mini-break from the Oblivion set. As you can see, Katie is wearing her very best painted-on smirk, so I guess maybe she’s not such a terrible actress after all. These are not the official final photos, however, which you can see here — Tom and Katie were together in Iceland on 6/16, and she looks pretty damn miserable. Now get ready for a TON of TomKat divorce updates:
Remember how people wondered why Tom and Katie didn’t do their usual “happy family” photo op before Rock of Ages? She didn’t even attend the premiere with Tom, and everyone said she was “working” in China and couldn’t attend (that was the official excuse, but I really think that it was ultimately because they were fighting). Obviously, Tom was in New York City for at least a few days last month while promoting ROA, shooting a few scenes for Oblivion at the Empire State Building, and being non-roasted by the Friar’s Club. During that time, he and Katie were both in NYC but never spotted together, and we posted a photo of Tom leaving the Greenwich Hotel, but I assumed that he was merely doing press interviews there. Nope. He was actually staying at the hotel while in NYC last month, and TMZ has the details. Not only did Tom and Katie not sleep in the same room together during his recent NYC stay, but he never even set foot in their apartment:
Katie Holmes and Tom Cruise were both in New York City in the weeks leading up to her filing for divorce, but they did NOT stay under the same roof … TMZ has learned.
According to our sources, Tom was in town for a few days around June 10 to film a movie. We’re told Tom did not stay in the apartment the couple has in NYC … but rather at The Greenwich Hotel … and never once stepped in or near the apartment.
Our sources say Katie, meanwhile, was going back and forth between the apartment she and Tom shared, and a new apartment she recently got. The two were both photographed during their time in NYC (see above) but never together.
We’re told Katie did bring Suri to visit Tom at the hotel on two occasions for a few hours and that the visits were unplanned — Tom’s own security didn’t even know they were coming.
According to the people we spoke to in Tom and Katie’s building … they couldn’t remember the last time they had seen Tom. Our sources say that while they were clearly having problems, Tom had no idea this was coming and his entire team was caught flat-footed by the filing.
[From TMZ]
Meanwhile, it is believed that Tom will file his own divorce papers in California, and he’ll be asking for joint custody as opposed to the sole legal custody that Katie has requested in her New York filing. Radar has spoken to some lawyers who believe that she can’t use Scientology in her argument to achieve sole custody of Suri, but a bit deeper into the article, the argument is reframed as “Katie doesn’t really need to use Scientology as the basis or reasoning to get sole custody.” So it sounds like if her lawyers can otherwise prove that Tom is unfit to raise Suri and make decisions about her education, religion, and upbringing, then Katie might still be able to pull it off. Also, while a court will not specificially ban Tom from joint custody merely because he is a Scientologist, Katie might be able to prove something more sinister is going on and use it for her case. This is actually very scary stuff too — TMZ now has details that Katie believes she’s being followed by agents of the cult:
Katie Holmes believes Scientology now views her as a threat to the organization and has put a team on her tail … sources close to the actress tell TMZ.
We’re told Katie believes in recent weeks — as the discord between her and Tom Cruise grew — Scientology has been following her moves, especially in New York City.
This does not appear to be the mind of a paranoid person. People who have photographed Katie multiple times tell TMZ there have been several “mysterious” men and vehicles around Katie’s apartment and following her when she’s out.
Specifically … a white Cadillac Escalade and black Mercedes SUV (see above) have been seen near Katie’s NYC apartment for the past week.
FYI — there is a publication that has put a tail on Katie, but the people doing that are separate from the people Katie believes have been dispatched from Scientology.
It is unclear if the two vehicles that have been constantly spotted near Holmes’ pad are from Scientology or from the publication.
If Katie is able to keep the divorce in New York — where courts generally like to award sole legal custody to one parent or the other when there is conflict — proof that she’s being tailed could help her case.
We put in a call to Scientology … so far, no word back.
[From TMZ]
I think that’s hilarious that TMZ actually called the CO$ for their take on the story. As if they’d indulge the media with a response! LOL. (UPDATE at the bottom of this post.)
Further down the gossip line, E! Online also has a few stories about why Tom and Katie split. The first story takes a “the fairy tale was over” stance and holds that Katie has been unhappy in the marriage for years. She wanted him to be home more, he wanted to be away working all the time, and she was upset that his career always came first: “Tom only knows how to be a movie star. He’s a great dad and husband when he is there and present, but…work comes first.” The second story runs with the theory that we’ve Scientology was the main reason for the split. Apparently, Scientology was “everything” to Tom while Katie wanted to pull away from the “church.”
Some even more interesting details are coming from an article in the Sunday Mirror about how separate sleeping arrangements have been a part of the marriage for quite some time now, and Katie was embarrassed that all of their staff knew about it. That story seems competely believable to me in light of our previous coverage of Katie’s life full of surveillance and control. The Mail excerpts the Mirror’s story as well and concludes that Katie fully “cracked” under the pressure of never being able to act independently. It’s difficult to see how Katie didn’t realize how she was also being handled during she and Tom’s courtship, but I guess it wasn’t nearly as severe during the “lovebombing” phase of the relationship.
Meanwhile for Tom, the show must go on. Despite being “deeply saddened,” he’s taken no time off from filming Oblivion and is seen here filming at Reykjavik airport in a helicopter. I guess maybe he prefers to distract himself through work.
UPDATE: Pacific Coast News has published this photo of a white SUV outside Katie’s NYC apartment. The vehicle is reportedly following her every move. How terrifying, but I guess the paps are serving their purpose.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet
The bigger news for me would have been if they were ever actually sleeping together.
Yeah, no joke!
This shit is fascinating! Big stars, big money, cult, and real craziness. It’s highlight of the year already. The real Mission Impossible!
totally
Right, Lisa. I’m sure she would have a bigger payout if they shared the same bed. Unfortunately for Katie, tiny Tom doesn’t like to dirty his member with girlie parts so she’ll have to make do with her set payout. Poor paid Katie.
Ofcourse they are watching her! She knows what she married into. She’s trying to get out of it now because her child has reached an age where those people will start auditing her. I hope this evil cult goes down soon. Has anyone read those reports from former scientologists about children slaving away for little money? That’s illegal! Why hasn’t the government looked into this?
Yep, just posted on the last thread. I knew this would happen, it’s standard.
Like I said, be careful crossing the street, Katie!
I wonder the same thing! How can they get away with all of the things we hear?
How can people join them, when they know all these things?
“I wonder the same thing! How can they get away with all of the things we hear?”
How do bankers get away with the things they do? Because they have enough power and influence to get it ignored?
This isn’t conspiracy theory stuff, it’s just the way it is.
Now, if the COS were caught selling pot, then they’d probably get in trouble.
I hope Katie manages to get herself a bodyguard who’s 6ft6, 200lbs and called Knuckles. Seriously. If she can get proof she’s being followed, that’s tantamount to stalking, isn’t it?
With all these different stories flying around, I’m starting to feel bad for everyone involved now. Tom’s basically Co$’s poster boy who’s been tricked, stolen from and lied to, yet he continues to devote himself to this cult.
And Katie’s been sucked into this crazy little world which she’s finally getting out of.
I really hope the state department investigation thing is true. Hopefully they’ll get the cult shut down. Now all we have to do is find someone who will unbrainwash Tom…
Edit – I think we broke the Internet on Friday. I’m posting from my phone, and I keep getting thrown off the site ^^
I can’t make myself feel too badly for Tom. He is so high up in this cult that he is FULLY aware of plenty of nasty. They may shield him from *some* of it… which he is probably aware of on some level, but VERY schooled in the practice of justifying, rationalizing and overlooking… basic cult ‘training’.
I can’t imagine that he is in the dark about the slave labor he takes advantage of to work on his own personal projects, or that he is not aware of the extreme tactics employed when certain members have ‘blown’ (run from the church). Katie would be a perfect example of this right now, only she is too high profile in the public eye to resort to kidnapping her, or worse (at least I HOPE they don’t resort to such things).
Sorry, but Tom is more than just a victim of the Co$ at this point. Still a victim yes, but now a knowing participant in a whole lot of ugly. Even his grossly-audited, super-human brain recognizes this.
You just described my ex-husband! Maybe I ought to send him Katie’s way…He used to work in security too. My first thought when I heard she filed for divorce was that the cult would never allow her to do so…or they will try and make her look bad. I hope the fact that her dad is a lawyer will help.
I hope Katy has her own “security” too and I hope they are baddass. The good thing is that there are people watching the people who are watching Katy. Tmz and other sites are already posting pictures of some of her suspected stalkers, but who knows if all of the people hanging around watching are co$ bad guys? Some could be her own security watching for bad guys and some could be undercover paps and reporters.
If the Justice Department is investigating co$ – they could have their own agents hanging around watching the proceedings. This is serious, but it’s almost like a Pink Panther movie, where everyone is following the heroine, and you don’t know who the hell is who.
I really feel for KH. I was looking back at pics taken when they were going out and TC was lovebombing the girl in high style. And she looked so happy. It would be a long hard fall from that state to having to pull off a surprise divorce filing, deal with your soon to be ex husband’s cray cray pseudo-religio minions following your every move, and worrying about the future of your child. Run Katie and Suri Run! And take a large chunk of the lift wearing midgets money with you!
Non-related, but…Bedhead, Kaiser and CB….THANKS for pulling weekend duty to keep us informed! Sadly, I have become somewhat obsessed with TomKat and hopefully, the beginning of the downfall of Co$. Yes, I do have other things to do with my weekend, BUT…this is just SOOOO riveting and SO much fun.
Thanks for donating your weekend to bitchery, much appreciated! 🙂
I’m going to second the thank you 🙂
We may not say it as much as we should, but we definitely appreciate all the work and overtime you put in to keep us informed <3
+3
+1000
Same here! Thanks!
+infinity
She needs to hire a body guard for her and Suri’s safety.
Ha! Sci is gonna dig themselves into an even *bigger* hole with the general public by stalking Katie. They’re only giving credence to what everyone already thinks of this whack “religion.”
What’s funny though is how the article mentions how Tom wanted everyone to call her “Kate” and how he told her when she could see her parents. It actually reminded me of the royals and how it’s “Princess Catherine” (right?) And how she has to celebrate all holidays with Will’s side of the family and her family isn’t invited or something.
We’ll see how it goes for “Catherine” but this situation reminds me more of Princess Charlene. Someone who *thought* she knew what she was getting into but didn’t realize it was much worse.
How is Charlene these days anyway?
Valleymiss: Catherine’s title is Duchess Catherine. She is not a princess.
Suri should have a normal childhood in school with other kids. Tom messed up. Period. He makes his own choices, but he will never get out from under until he admits that COS is crap. Meanwhile, I guess the show must go on. He seems to be a good father so I see no issue with joint custody, he should have that at least.
Yeah, but she should have the right to make decisions.
If it wouldn’t affect the life of a 6-year-old it would be actually interesting to see how Tom Cruise/Scientology will handle the situation.
I feel like even joint custody is dangerous in the case of Suri. Tom is manipulative and could convince Suri to try some auditing or to even have an open mind about the “religion”. If I were Katie I wouldn’t let him in a room alone with her.
Even if Scientology was not an issue, Tom would still remain a control freak who likes to micromanage his partner and his kids. He would still be a narcisstic man who is always “on” in public and has a deep sense of entitlement that the world revolves around him. His work will always come first, and it will be his wife and child(ren) who have to uproot their lives to visit him on location, because he won’t make the effort to visit them. As if that isn’t bad enough, he seems to have a tendency to lose sexual interest fairly early on in his relationships. Katie and Suri are much better off without Tom.
Vesper, ITA. These types of men come on strong during courtship, or anytime you are ready to leave, but once they’ve “got you” in a committed relationship, the sex falls away. What’s more, they get a cruel enjoyment that you have needs that are not being met. Yes, they are better off without him.
I have unfortunately dated 2 men like Tom which is why I can’t hate on Katie. In the beginning they seem to be absolutely obsessed with you, make you feel really wanted and special, shower you with money and gifts and hours long sex sessions and generally seem really “nice” and like great listeners albeit a big clingy. They as soon as they think they’ve “got you” they become super cold and distant and even seem to enjoy making you feel secondary to the rest of his life.
I’ve noticed they always seem to be EXTREMELY opinionated about certain things to the point of being fanatics, even if they are not cult members per se.
Vesper, Annie, you guys are describing my father. I have so much admiration for my Mom, considering the things she went through to get away from him.
One of the biggest warning signs I’ve noticed is this – does he treat his “underlings” coldly/distantly and rudely, even when he’s showering you with praise and listening to your life story?
Well hold on to your hat and prepare for a bumpy ride, cause that’s how he’ll be treating you as soon as you agree to a committed relationship.
Could it be that this spilt was being planned for some time now by Cruise and his folks and they thought Holmes was going along with their general “pro Cruise/COS” plan… Meanwhile, Katie was planning her own break (for a myriad of reasons)?
In the end, that is what Cruise was blindsided by… not the divorce, but the fact that Katie had her own separate plan all along to help her get out, she took the upper hand and filed on her own terms (to protect herself and Suri).
I think THIS is what happened
+2
Yah. That’s why no fight about the money cause it’s all been settled. Tom thought he ran the divorce. And would get Suri.
Katie fixed that.
Funny how Tom didn’t like his father calling all the shots. But he does the same thing.
Wonder how Tom’ll get another woman after this? Who’d be dumb enuff?
There’s no fight about the money, because that was settled in the pre-negotiations/pre-nup phase.
Suri though, she could be the deal-breaker that unravels the whole thing. I don’t think kids are something that can be adequately covered by a pre-nup.
I could be wrong, but I think if there’s anything in the pre-nup about kids, the whole deal could be contested.
@ Bellaluna: Legally, custody arrangments cannot be dictated by a prenup.
Thank you, Vesper. I thought not. Seems to me that something like that in the pre-nup could open the whole can of worms, rendering the entire thing null and void.
Particularly if Katie signed “under duress.” (“Duress” includes pregnancy or postpartum.)
Tommy is really a dictator. For anyone who is curious about him, read Andrew Morton’s unauthorized bio. It is very interesting and it talks up to the point where he was dating Katie (he really should update that book now).
If you recall, Mama Cruise was part of the entourage for awhile but you don’t see her anymore. Anyway, per the book, Mama Cruise remarried and was living with her husband in some other state. She was not a scientologist but she belonged to some church where she served as an elder. Tommy pretty much fixed that by making her drop everything (including the hubby) to travel in his caravan.
She hasn’t been photographed in awhile. I wonder if she finally got fed up and went back to her life with her hubby.
This really shows he’s a dictator.
Agreed. The time for the contract was up. I give Katie props for having a plan, for thinking of the kid’s welfare and future, and for somehow staying out of the cult. I’ve never thought the kid was Tom’s – wonder if that will come out?
I must be the only person in the world who thinks Suri IS Tom’s child. There was a recent photo of her and she looked like a female mini-me of Tom!
I think Suri is Tom’s. Now, was she conceived the old fashioned way? The jury is still out.
I’ll agree but add I think Cruise thought he could convince her to’re-up’ until he decided he was done with her. It’s always the quiet ones that surprise.
Now see, I think her refusal to have a second child was “the beginning of the end.”
After that, he realised she was serious about not having a second child (he and Nicole adopted two), and was therefore not eligible to “upgrade” to another contract.
Hence, he threw himself into his projects, effectively isolating Katie and Suri, making them both miserable.
She got sick of it (spoken like a true work-widow); made her plans; and secured a way out. HOPEFULLY.
I think you might be right on with this. The end was coming no matter what, but she wanted to save her kid and pulled this instead. Very good theory, mia girl.
I think this is what happened, Mia. Check out this excerpt from Morton’s unauthorized bio of Tom, too. It goes into Tom’s transition from Mimi Rogers to Nicole Kidman and the early days of his recruitment by Sci and Miscavige. He had already moved on to Nicole but in interviews was talking to the press (and lying) about his happy marriage to Mimi blah blah. Anyone can say what they will about Morton’s book but I find his POV easy to believe, regarding Cruise. I wanted to reiterate my point about Cruise as a man who is indeed intense and quite the lovebomber, but who is actually quite shallow in his love relationships. I said this in response to another comment on the previous TomKat post:
“He seems to be intense, i.e. infatuated, early on. However, at some point he’s been positioning himself to move on to “the next one” if it’s examined how he split with Mimi and transitioned without nary a break, on to Nicole. Also the way that he split with Nicole. It seems all too easy for him. It seems to me that Tom is ever looking into a mirror and that mirror is the women/wives whom he sees himself perfectly reflected in, until he doesn’t.”
Here’s the book excerpt link:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/22613285/ns/today-books/t/exclusive-tom-cruise-unauthorized-biography/
I read Morton’s book, and I totally agree with u. As for his breakup with Nicole, he started dating Penelope Cruz not long after he filed for divorce. I have always believed that he got involved with her before the split, as they were working together in Vanilla Sky. It was exactly how he got involved with Nicole before he split with Mimi, during the filming of Days of Thunder. Tom seems to like having someone in place before he jumps ship.
Another interesting part in Morton’s book is that Tom was love bombing Sofia V. about six weeks before he met Katie. Of course, part of the courtship was introducing her to Scientology. Apparently, Sophia was horrified when she realized the accidental meetings with scientology members were not so accidental, and she broke off all contact with Tom without as much as a phone call. Six weeks later he did the same with Katie.
Hi Vesper, thanks for the co-sign! I’m in the middle of reading Morton’s book right now and it’s like I can’t read fast enough amidst the explosion of current events.;)
i haven’t read Morton’s book but i thought it was fairly well known that he started up with Penelope Cruz while they were working on Vanilla Sky. He then filed for divorce and had the ‘first’ public outing after the divorce.
He was more blatant or should i say, public, about that transition than the one from Mimi to Kidman.
Vesper –
Tom and Penelope were definitely involved on the set of Vanilla Sky while he was still married to Nicole. The director Cameron Crowe outed them by saying how beautiful it was to watch them fall in love during filming. I remember thinking – really?
Didn’t he also audition Scarlet Johansson? I remember reading she walked out when he took her to the room filled with scientology suits.
Tom cares about the church first and foremost. Why i have no idea, but seriously, who is this nuts!! (besides Mel Gibson)
Vesper, LAK: Yeah, I remember the sketchiness of the denials regarding Penelope and Tom on the Vanilla Sky set, coinciding with the timing of Tom and Nicole’s anniversary dinner… Tom so abruptly ending the marriage. Now we can clearly see this was a pattern. Good point, Vesper, that TC needs to have the new woman in place ahead of breaking up with the previous one. The sanctity of his vows in marriage have meant nothing to him and as you said, LAK, he stepped up the brazen factor as he went!
Another commenter left a link from the Voice concerning this discrepancy in actions vs. Scientology’s stance on marriage, but I couldn’t find it. Did anyone else read that comment and click the link?
Mayamae, since you mentioned this:
“The director Cameron Crowe outed them by saying how beautiful it was to watch them fall in love during filming. I remember thinking – really?”
I think I do remember that (and thought “O RLY?” myself). But only because you reminded me today, so thanks! What the hell were ANY of these people thinking? Ugh.
Jovia: this one, I think:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_family_court_katie_holmes_suri_cruise.php
“Anyone who actually knows anything about Scientology, of course, knows that church members divorce each other about as often as Catholics take communion.
If you’re new to Scientology, try to keep this in mind: Scientologists, if they do nothing else, think big. They consider themselves immortal beings who have lived countless lives over trillions of years, and they plan to take over the planet, and the galaxy, as they live countless more lives. Their current lives are trivial and momentary, and if they end up marrying several different times, it is less important than that they serve Scientology as it works to expand and assume control. If you want to understand why Scientologists do what they do, you must keep those facts in mind.
To them, a divorce is nothing. It’s eternity that counts.”
Found the link originally posted by Emily and it’s a pretty good one if anyone’s not read it yet:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_family_court_katie_holmes_suri_cruise.php
“If Radar’s piece was wrong, it wasn’t stupid. Honors for dumbest thing written yesterday about the TomKat situation was easily won by the Daily Mail, with this piece of drivel, “Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes’ divorce ‘won’t be recognized by church of Scientology'”
Relying on Scientology’s farcical websites for information (always a really bad idea), Daily Mail writer Louise Boyle actually uttered the following tripe:
According to the official website, marriage is considered essential to family life along with the belief that the religion will strengthen bonds between partners.
Scientologists also claim that people who follow the religion are more likely to stay married.
Anyone who actually knows anything about Scientology, of course, knows that church members divorce each other about as often as Catholics take communion.
If you’re new to Scientology, try to keep this in mind: Scientologists, if they do nothing else, think big. They consider themselves immortal beings who have lived countless lives over trillions of years, and they plan to take over the planet, and the galaxy, as they live countless more lives. Their current lives are trivial and momentary, and if they end up marrying several different times, it is less important than that they serve Scientology as it works to expand and assume control. If you want to understand why Scientologists do what they do, you must keep those facts in mind.
To them, a divorce is nothing. It’s eternity that counts.”
My apologies in advance for quoting it in part (and reposting Emily’s linkage) but I couldn’t edit my last comment to add it.
Anne de Vries, Thank you! 🙂 Was busy looking, finding and then the cut and paste while unbeknownst to me you were already responding with it. Oops!
It might be more serious than we know. Tom Cat is high up in the Church of Scientology and the fact that Suri is his daughter, Suri might hve been set to fulfill somekind of promise in the church when she reached a certain age. Tom Cruie is a prime example of the worse kind of abuser, the immotional kind,no bruises or balck eyes but what they do cuts to the heart, immotional neglect while they claim to love you very much to and in public, keeping up a false front, Katie looks as if the life have been sucked out of her after marrying that jerk, she should never let his shadow darken her doorway ever again,let him visit his daughter by third-party, he deserves everything he is getting.
Interesting thought!
If Tom is now at “God” level, what does that make his offspring?
U see how phony it all was because Tom was Quoted left and right about how loves making her romantic dinners. WTF? They were not even remotely together.
Hmm, never cared much for Katie Holmes, but all of a sudden, she’s my new favorite person. ;D
I don’t follow these two either, and not particularly a fan of either, but I definitely will be rooting for Katie. I hope she can get herself and daughter out of this mess relatively unscathed. She has the public on her side, who will be watching all of this very carefully. I think if Tom tries to pull on her, what he did with Nicole and the kids, his career will be absolutely DONE.
A commentor on previous put forward a theory based upon the fact that contract was up vis a Vis TC’s career.
per your comment, Tom cruise has to play this very carefully otherwise his career is in the toilet.
So rather than he file,let’s her file, asking for things she may or may not get but which are probably covered by the pre-nup eg $3M bonus per child they have – apparently that really is in the contract on top of rumoured $3M per year. He then puts out statement that he is blindsided. blah, blah, blah. So even if people slam him or co$, his career is not jeopardised. – of course they probably didn’t factor in how much co$ is abhorrent to the public.
However, if they are aware about public mood for co$, then he can have a smidgen of sympathy because hey, she’s a grown woman who should have known better or he is just as much a victim of co$ rather than TC, once again failed at marriage.
too conspiracy theory?
@LAK – that could make sense if it were not for the fact Holmes filed for sole legal custody and filed in NY to have a better chance at it than she’d have if she filed in CA. Her people are already putting out the stories on fear of CO$ antics (standard operating procedure for them) so if that was the plan, the blind side was her having her own plan and using the original joint plan to give her the latitude she needed to escape with her child
@Olcranky – but that is exactly what i am saying. She may file those things, it is not certain that she will get them or that divorce will be heard in NYC.
As for the Co$ angle, it works both ways for both of them because at the end of the day, it is about public perception. She went out of her way to establish via paps visual residency in NYC. She could have been living quietly without the paps in NYC. And the walking out of her front door looking terrible, unkempt and depressed. I do not doubt that she was, but some news reports and many blinds are saying she did that on purpose. So i wouldn’t put it past her to go along with something like that. And co$ never let anyone get away that easily.
It’s very easy for her to play the co$ victim but also very easy for him to blame co$ as a pseudo victim rather than say he was a controlling little a$$hole and it was a sham or DOA marriage.
Both their careers depend on public sympathy. Hers has just been revived by this action. His can only be saved by being ‘blindsided’. All things being equal, he can not afford another divorce. In monetary terms yes, in career terms, no.
Suri was born before they married. Surely it’s all in the prenup, what would happen to her?
Me too. I’m also ashamed to admit I only kind of liked Nicole before the divorce. That’s what started my love for her.
Darn! Didn’t see the new thread! I’d just posted this on the old one! Oh well, here goes:
Now this is SCARY..
On Zimbio.com, there is a photo of a building and the blurb accompanying the photo says:
‘Tom Cruise Has Katie Being Watched By Private Investigators’
Underneath the picture:
‘General Views of Katie Holmes new NYC apartment in Chelsea in New York City, New York on June 30, 2012. Private Investigators, allegedly hired by Tom Cruise, seem to be keeping tabs on Katie and her whereabouts. The constant surveillance of Katie has made her security team buy camera gear (video and photos) to keep track of the investigators. The private investigators have been hiding out in Escalades and a Mercedes SUV’
There’s actually 10 pictures and in the very last one there’s a close-up of the inside of one of those vehicles – with 2 NYPD caps on the dash.
Here’s the link (don’t know how to embed – sorry)
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/Rg59jgnlcf6/Tom+Cruise+Katie+Being+Watched+Private+Investigators
I hope Katie has moved into that new apartment.
This is all so 50 shades of grey with the stalking haha
Does anyone know, are those authentic ( looking )NYPD hats?
@Bee – I doubt they’re legitimate. You can get those caps anywhere in the city. Any crappy t-shirt place has them.
They’re always being followed by papparazzi, aren’t they. And now that they’re getting the ball rolling on divorce proceedings, I bet the paps will be on the road even more.
Can’t they help run distractions for Katie? Or keep tabs on these stalkery Co$ types? I wonder if one or more of these paps can be called as witnesses or something, they probably know the celebs goingson than the celebs themselves at this point…
i hope Suri is being shielded from most the storm, at least. it’s one thing to live the Co$ lifestyle with two parents playing happy family, but i’m guessing, she’s also going through what many kids with parents going through a divorce will be experiencing. and it’s not a good thing.
That’s what I’ve thought! The paparazzi should document the spying! 😉
Im afraid that the paparazzi will do anything for mOney, and that makes me think that they can be ‘persuaded’ by scientology easily, the Church has more money than Katie.
Bingo!
YES–the paps can be called to testify, and more important, any documentation they get can be turned over to prosecutors or investigators.
I think this is an instance where the paparazzi can be a big asset and act to protect Katie. I think people give paps a bad rep (some deserve it!), and the industry could surely use some great PR…
I know some celebrities are on really good terms with certain photographers and paparazzi–they smile, give them a good shot, and go on their way. Then the celeb isn’t bothered all day, and can go about their business. That kind of working symbiotic relationship is beneficial for both parties. I can see how something like this would benefit katie.
I have to wonder if she planned this a year ago in order to meet the requirement of a one year residence in New York? She had better check her apartment for bugging devices, seriously.
Following her, both seen and unseen, is 100% Scientology’s Modus Operandi. You bet that that’s happening. They’ll have a few obvious ones to intimidate her, and a few non obvious ones to make sure they cover every angle. The non obvious ones may include people in her trusted circle – people she doesn’t know are connected to Co$.
One of the way the cult screws with defectors’ minds is by making them seem paranoid to outsiders – while usually that paranoia is 100% justified.
Katie is now an SP (Suppressive Person). And that makes her ‘fair game’.
“ENEMY SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.”
– L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 18 October 1967
“ENEMY SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.”
– L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 18 October 1967
Seems like any reasonable, unbiased judge might be concerned with this little tidbit.
Why would anyone with a hint of sanity would want to join a cult that has THAT on the “book”? They might as well admit to be satan lovers,it would be less shocking in a way…
Scientologists are told that order was canceled with some letter Hubbard wrote for the public. Tony Ortega mentions this in a lot of his articles about Scientology for the Village Voice, and I know he’s written at least one article only about this.
Of course Fair Game wasn’t ever canceled, and Scientology does intimidate and stalk people they see as enemies. It doesn’t take much for this paranoid cult to decide someone is an enemy and therefore “Fair Game”. They call anyone outside the cult “wogs” and do not see us as full human beings. Now Katie’s divorcing their golden boy, Miscavige’s best friend, and trying to make sure he does not have control of her daughter’s education. If not for the paparazzi documenting everything, I’d fear for her safety.
Because they don’t present the crazy up front, of course. Like any cult (or abusive person) it’s all lovely up front, everybody is super nice and it all seems really innocent. And Katie was lovebombed by her childhood idol, of course she wanted to believe him and not the nasty things being said about him.
The crazy is introduced gradually, and by the time they get to the really batshit parts about aliens, you’re already in way deep, all your friends are scientologists, you’ve invested god knows how much money, and you will actively be trying to convince yourself that it’s all true, because the alternative is to lose everything: relationships, friends, family, house, everything they can take away from you. I’m convinced that there are a lot of people on the higher levels who want to get out but haven’t gathered their courage yet – but with the high profile defections of the last few years, I think there are more to come.
Co$ actively tells people who
might consider leaving that the outside world will treat them horribly, that they’ll die in the gutter and that they are nothing without the cult.
Oh yeah, the ‘Fair Game is cancelled’ thing. How they think anybody could buy that is beyond me, but of course the sheer arrogance of the cult is astounding.
“The practice of declaring people FAIR GAME will cease. FAIR GAME may not appear on any Ethics Order. It causes bad public relations. This [policy letter] does not cancel any policy on the treatment or handling of an SP.“
So basically, stop writing ‘fair game’ on paperwork. Nothing else changes.
I totally believe CO$ is watching Katie, and I wouldn’t put anything, including bodily harm, past this whacked out cult. I do hope that, with the increased information about Scientology freely available on the web, people will see this “religion” for the lunatic group it is. I really, really want to see public opinion come down loudly and firmly on Katie’s side, so that Tom and his cohorts have to keep the crazy under control.
One of the saddest things is that we’re all not even surprised she’s being followed. There are some scary things documented on what the Co$ and their minions do when you break off from the herd and it’s horrifying to think it’s happening fully in the public eye – especially when a little girl is involved.
Though I do have to say, it’s probably a huge benefit that the paps do their own stalking – they can spot and document the non-pap followers. Also, I highly doubt the NYPD (since the cars have the hats on the dash) would use a Mercedes for security and readily plop their hats in open sight.
Good points, all. Let us hope the paparazzi don’t meet with untimely accidents, as well.
Amurph,
About the NYPD caps, I was thinking the CO$ goons were using them as a cover, so they wouldn’t appear to be so obviously watching Katie.
I’m sure they have tricks up their sleeves we haven’t even THOUGHT about.
those nypd caps are ubiquitous here … if it was real cops on duty, there’d be a shield on the visor.
I can imagine these crazies going to the NYPD Uniform Store and buying the hats, thinking it’ll throw everyone off their trail! Dumbasses!
I’m thinking the same thing. The hats aren’t the same as, say, a uniform or even a badge. As e.non said, those things are EVERYWHERE.
@Playlist, it’s true – it’s against the law to impersonate an officer but honestly, I wouldn’t put it past Co$ to do it. They’ve probably broken other laws but it’s the whole mob-mentality. Intimidation works wonders when you have blind followers and strict minions. I doubt they’re truly doing that but I could imagine them thinking the public is full of idiots and probably wouldn’t second guess if they were involved with some security or police work. I just think of police officers who are on details – they wear a uniform, no ball caps. Even if they were in plain clothes, they’d have their badge readily available.
Posing as a police officer is against the law and has serious consequences. Even the CO$ has to know that fact. Those surveillance people could be there for Katie. She didn’t move in with her parents through all this, which is curious. Her parents aren’t going to ignore her need for protection, so there is more going on that isn’t being shown. For all we know, Katie could be part of a whole investigation into the church and the authorities are protecting Katie as part of the agreement.
As for the case in court, Katie’s ace in the hole is proving Tom is not Suri’s biological child. She has probably already submitted the DNA test as evidence to the courts with her divorce filing. Tom cannot fight that in a court of law and the church will have no say whatsoever. Plus he is always working and she is clearly always taking care of Suri. All those pap pictures of her daily outings with her daughter are proof enough. It’s a slam dunk and even Tom has to realize it. Neither Tom nor his church are as powerful as they used to be, due in large part to the powerful instant and invasive age of the Internet.
Katie has more dirt on the church than they can ever create on her. She also has the public on her side. She’s holding all the cards and I don’t believe for a minute she’s doing all this without re-enforcement behind her.
The sickest part of this whole thing is what a great movie it would make.
Good lord, you just can’t make this stuff up..
I know… it sounds like a science fiction horror movie gone wrong, right? Oh wait… that’s what the Co$ is!!!
This is actually stranger than fiction. Katie is holding Co$ at ransom right now. If they do anything overt like bug her apartment, her phone, threaten her in any way, they will only draw more negative attention to themselves and Tom’s already fragile reputation. His career would go down the toilet. I think Co$ will have to take the high road this time and just let her walk or risk having the whole organization under a microscope in a very public way. Just imagine if this one event could bring about the end of the “evil empire”!!
Yup. Co$ have to just chill and let Katie go. The whole gossip world is watching right now, and they’ll just confirm what everyone thinks if they act crazy. Miscavige doesn’t like to be made to look like a fool, though, and I’m sure he’s fuming right now.
I know, right! I really, really hope this is the final nail in the coffin for the Co$… can you imagine, how awesome that would be?! 🙂
I’m actually really happy for once with reading gossip: Katie’s freedom is REALLY good news. Let’s hope everything goes in her (and Suri’s) favour.
You’d think they’d realise that, right? But I don’t think it’s inconceivable that they will go about this in typically heavy-handed nobody-can-touch-us Co$ style. The pride and arrogance at top level is staggering. They believe they are above the law (literally!) and they managed to blackmail the IRS into giving them religion status. I don’t think they understand what public opinion could do – they certainly never understood shit of Anonymous.
I wish absolutely no harm to Katie and Suri or their circle, but I am kind of hoping Co$ is going full steam ahead with the crazyness on this one. That really could be their downfall in many ways.
The pride and arrogance at top level is staggering.
This. Miscavige is unpredictable and he runs the cult with an iron fist. He’s driven off everyone who could handle this situation in a way that would not make the Co$ look worse. He’s surrounded himself only with people who will do whatever he says for most of his life — he cannot handle the idea that the best way to do something might not be the way that punishes someone he sees as an enemy.
@Emily
You may find this interesting: Tory Christman said at some point that they literally CAN’T adapt. Hubbard wrote to handle things a certain way, and Hubbard Can’t Be Wrong. The Tech Is Always Right. Their own mythology forces them to follow his directions again and again, and if it fails that is personal failing, not ‘tech’ failing.
Which is why they messed up so specacularly in the face of a force like Anonymous – the ole Hubs never saw the internet coming and had no concept of an enemy that couldn’t be disabled by ‘cutting the head off the snake’. He decided that Co$ was above the law and I don’t think he had the slightest concept of public opinion mattering. It worked for a long time, but the world is a different place now.
How do we know the cars following her aren’t security her father hired. I agree with above Katie is my new favorite person now. Don’t you just love how tommygirl acts like he doesn’t have a care in the world when we know in his mind and behind closed doors he is losing his sh*t.
The Escalade and black Mercedes SUV are probably just decoy vehicles.
Nevertheless it’s safe to assume that Tom’s attorneys & The CO$ have a team of high priced private investigators attempting to dig up some dirt on Katie.
Sadly, they don’t need to dig up dirt. If they decide to, they will manufacture it themselves.
*Cherry-pick juicy tidbits achieved through vulnerable auditing sessions.
*Pour on a generous number of minions, willing to say or do anything for their cult.
*Mix in ‘anonymous’ tips/stories from various ‘sources’.
*Sprinkle on connections with corrupt officials.
**Simmer briefly, no time to waste.
***Smear.
Hopefully, if they do attempt this, most will recognize what it is, and it will backfire.
Katie’s parents must be really freaking out right now.
I bet it’s been seven year of holding their breath.
Their only saving grace is that she his away from him now and that soon it will all be over. Hopefully.
The only happy ending would be if Tom decided to leave the cult too. And if they stayed together because the still cared for each other.
OF COURSE they are! Did she think she would be special? Certainly she must have learnt a thing or three after 5 years of marriage and a year of “pre-marital grooming.”
We’ve already gone into all the details the last couple of days why we’re hoping Katie gets sole physical custody of Suri, but today, I’m more concerned about Tom Cruise having ANY unsupervised access to Suri.
Someone said yesterday that when Connor and Isabella reached a certain age (I think it was 13?) that the process to turn them against Nicole really began to escalate.
With everything we have learned about CO$ and the details coming out about Katie being followed (which we all know is true) I don’t think the ‘church’ would wait until Suri is older to bad-mouth Katie to her child and starts that process a whole lot earlier.
If Katie is truly aware how Nicole’s kids were turned against their mother, I hope she’s got a lot of aces up her sleeve because she has a huge battle on her hands with CO$ to keep Suri from turning against her, just like Nicole.
God, it would break your heart to see that happen to Katie.
The custody issue is definitely the most gripping part of the divorce and I think it may yet get really dirty.
It’s going to get really nasty dirty, no doubt about it. Let’s put this in perspective:
Suri is Tom’s only biological child (that shouldn’t matter, but it may, in his mind);
Look what he did to Nicole, who put in twice the time Katie did;
Look what he did to her with regard to their kids;
He’s destructive and vain. He wants what he wants, no matter the method.
Bella, do you really thinks it’s his biological child?
Agreed on all scores, except I don’t believe Tom is capable of fathering biological children. (Suri might be his cousin’s daughter, the child of a Co$ bigwig, or Chris Klein. My other theory is that Connor is biologically related to him somehow, because they look a lot alike.)
The difference between this divorce and his last one is that he was the instigator — in fact, he blindsided Nicole — so was able to get all his ducks in a row before the split.
Katie better have a lot of ammo on Tom and Co$ because otherwise she’ll end up having as much contact with Suri as Nicole does with her children with Tom.
I doubt it, NYC_girl. But there is a precedent-setting case that established both child support AND visitation/custody for a father who was NOT the child’s biological father, but WAS the only father the child had ever known. (Pertinent info, since when I divorced my ex, he was the only father my son had ever known.) I think it’s called a Clavinger Kid case.
If Tom’s really not the biological father, and Katie really wants to keep Suri out of his (and CO$) hands, she could play dirty and request a paternity.
But I highly doubt Tom would EVER admit Suri’s not his.
Look what COS did to Isabella:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-V_H_WECY0yk/T6h-LZg_r2I/AAAAAAAAF2o/98nahGz9PVA/s1600/Isabella-Cruise-acne.jpg
She is deep in COS. Does she wash her face? She looks like she doesn’t bathe.
@OBL ‘If Tom’s really not the biological father, and Katie really wants to keep Suri out of his (and CO$) hands, she could play dirty and request a paternity.’
I have a sneaky suspicion that this would have been one of the issues addressed in the prenup.
If Suri is not his biologically, and he agreed to pretend she was, I bet he protected himself legally from any adverse actions that might come later. After all, he knew all the tricks already – he just gone done employing them to destroy Nik. So I am certain that, were this the case, there is a clause in the prenup that either forces Katie to NEVER reveal it, or punishes her by witholding any financial remuneration (now detailed as $3Mil per year of marriage, not to be confused with spousal support) she might otherwise receive under its terms.
He is not very bright, OBVIOUSLY, but he is very sneaky and vain and all about self-preservation, and he will protect his interests till the end, so I’m sure his legal team had forseen and resolved this exact issue in the contract, whether it be the prenup or the ’employment’ one.
I agree that’s probably the case, Polk8dot, and that Tommy probably had some clause inserted in the contract, but I wonder: if there is a court order does that clause stand or does it lose its “no telling” power? The news of Suri not being his and probably of the fact that he ever hardly touched or even kissed his own wife would have a lot of relevance.
I think in the light of that maybe Tommy would be more willing to settle quietly and concede pretty much whatever Katie wants. After all, all that matters to him is to be perceived as a real macho virile super-fertile man, no?
Ugh, I think it’s absolutely disgusting what the Co$ did to Nicole’s children. When I started researching the cult to learn about all the crazy crap they do, I came across a lot of info about what happened with Nicole and her children. I was (and still am) pissed that they would turn children against their own mother. It makes me sick! How dare they! I really hope that one day, Nicole and her children can repair the damage the Co$ did to them.
As far as Suri goes, I hope Katie can keep her the hell away from that looney ass cult. And as sad as it may seem, Katie might have to keep Suri away from her father, because he just can’t be trusted not to hand Suri over to that cult. I hope Katie gets sole legal and physical custody of Suri and if the courts give Tom visitation, I REALLY hope it’s supervised, and that the courts investigate whoever is supervising thoroughly to make sure they’re not connected to the Co$ in any way, shape or form. You cannot trust that cult. They’ll do ANYTHING to get what they want.
He seems to display a lot of scary “small man syndrome” attributes; and those mixed with screwed up CO$ values and beliefs make him one scary person! I hate how controlling and manipulative he seems to be with his wives. Well done all of them for escaping the clutches.
He seems to display a lot of scary “small man syndrome” attributes; and those mixed with screwed up CO$ values and beliefs make him one scary person! I hate how controlling and manipulative he seems to be with his wives. Well done all of them for escaping his clutches.
He seems to display a lot of scary small man syndrome attributes; and those mixed with screwed up CO$ values and beliefs make him one scary person! I hate how controlling and manipulative he seems to be with his wives. Well done all of them for escaping his clutches.
@polk8dot “I have a sneaky suspicion that this would have been one of the issues addressed in the prenup.”
if Cruise is not the biological father, there could have been an agreement for him to be a legal guardian however, for that to be enforceable, the biological father would have to be dead or would have to have agreed to terminate his parental rights
Only for two years. If not contested, the husband is considered the putative father of the child.
Did anyone see the two ‘Panorama’s the BBC did on $cientolgy? You can see them both on You Tube, the first is called $cientology & Me (2007) and the follow up is called The Secrets of $cientology (2009). Both very interesting, especially the 2nd doco and I’m just gonna say, if they were following that dude, they’re sure as hell following her.
Yes! I watched both documentaries.
I could not believe what I was seeing. Scary, scary stuff.
They should broadcast them on National TV in the US.
Just wondering have there been many hits of those You Tube links in the last couple of days?
I wonder when Anonymous is going to show up and start harassing her Scientolonut tails. I hope she has a private investigator that can testify in court to all of the Scientologists actions towards her.
Now, more than ever, I wish her success. This is scary.
I posted in another thread about this… I believe the reason she didn’t see how she was being handled during their courtship was because she was being charmed and swept off her feet. Many women fall for seemingly amazing, attentive men… and early on, can easily rationalize ‘little’ things that might seem ‘off’, and later find themselves stuck in horrid relationships. When it comes to the Co$, they operate as any cult does… they seem caring and helpful, show you the lighter side, find a vulnerability (I think Katie’s was TOM himself!), love-bomb, set the hooks… isolate you from those who might talk some sense into you…and then let the gradual indoctrination begin. The manipulation is subtle at first, but it is there… and as with those relationships that seem so wonderful and perfect in the beginning, ‘odd’ things are overlooked… and the red flags are easily explained away… rationalized. I can only imagine Katie, with her rose-colored-in-love-with-her-childhood-crush glasses on, overlooking the Co$ handlers being around…. you know, it’s just Tom’s assistants or security people… for their safety, right? No time to see friends and family when you are in a new whirlwind romance anyway… how often do people tend to immerse themselves in even new, ‘normal’ relationships… very common, so that one is easily rationalized as well, especially given the resources available for Tom’s love-bomb campaign… the fancy dinners and trips… plenty of excuses to keep her away from those SP’s (of course, Katie wouldn’t have learned of this wonderful practice quite yet, and when she does, it will be presented gradually, twisted and distorted so it doesn’t seem as awful as it really is). Like taking candy from a baby, sadly. Of course, one of these ‘assistants’ turns out to be very attentive and sweet to Katie in those rare moments Tom is away… so easy to talk to, and turn to… a wonderful new friend who can manipulate, isolate, rationalize and reinforce the the subtle indoctrination that has begun. So sad.
Sorry for the ramble…
I think you nailed it. In the beginning it ws Tom himself who was with her day and night and he could explain the extra people around as friends and bodyguards and such as a high profile actor would need around him.
As things progressed and they settled into married life, he and Katie weren’t together as much and she began to really know the crew that followed them around. It probably began to seem really restricting when she and Tom were apart and she had no choice as to who was following her around all the time.
That was probably when it began to be really clear that she was being “minded” and constantly watched and reported on.
Jaxx… I also don’t think she ever fully ‘gave in’ to the ‘church’. As time passed, there were more and more stories coming out about the Co$… many from people who had left. For members who are fully submersed, the stories and talk are easily dismissed. For someone who hasn’t completely bought into it, it would be natural to become skeptical.
Belle..I don’t think she bought in either, most especially when it came to subjecting her daughter to their interrogations. Once that reality finally dawned on her I think she knew it was now or never. Young children are so susceptible and I find it hard to believe any mother would let her child be exposed to their lunacy. I just hope she hasn’t waited too long. I think Suri is very attached to her daddy. Though I’ve never believed that Tom fathered her biologically, he is all daddy to her. It is going to be very rough on Suri, especially since I think Tom has been willing to indulge her in anything she wants, whereas Katie is the source of any discipline she gets. Tom will find it very easy to make Katie the bad guy and children that young don’t know what is best for them. She just knows that Tom doesn’t say no and Mom does. It’s a good thing the courts don’t allow children this young to chose who they live with.
I love how ‘love-bomb’ is now becoming a verb 🙂
@ Belle:
BINGO. Beautiful summation of what probably happened. I get a bit sore where all of these Katie bashing, “She was just in it for the money and new the Co$ score” stories are concerned. She was a lovely, naive and fresh young starlet, who had a massive crush on one of the biggest stars in the world. HELLO? Who amongst us wouldn’t have been swayed at that age?
LOVE HER for seeing what the Evil (auditing….PUKE!) Empire would do to her child’s life, if she let them. Smart, clever, resourceful girl. I have been delighted with the details of this story since it first broke.
Katie, you may be able to singlehandedly bring down the Evil $$ Empire. Cheers!
+ 1.
He probably knew from day 1 this will end, but wanted to use this for PR, and didn’t intend for it to end so soon.
I am worried that a person cannot be free and has to endure being followed without the police investigating the matter and protecting her.
That is a criminal matter and I don’t care if they are “only” watching her.
There’s an implied threat and infringement on one’s freedom and sense of privacy.
Anyone involved with that should stand a trail.
Why isn’t it enough that he is involved with such a cult to get the court to rule that he should not have any say on what’s going on in the life of Suri?
Isn’t the court supposed to protect her and make sure she can lead a normal life?
Because in the US Sci is not considered a cult. It has been officially been deemed a church and given tax free status. So now if they infringe on Tom’s rights they will break laws about freedom of religion.
When is the US going to wise up and stop this dangerous cult’s practices? The cult better think twice about harming Katie as that might be the very thing that would bring the hammer down on them. If she is harmed her family will never stop bringing it to the government’s attention. They better hope Katie comes through the divorce with nary a scratch.
I hate to say it…but I immediately thought, oh shit, Katie is going to end up like Princess Diana. There will be some mysterious accident where she will initially be holding on by a thread and then unfortunately they will not be able to save her. I just feel it.
I fear the same thing you do. I hope we are wrong. But, like you, I’ve always felt that Diana’s death was no accident. There was something hinky about her lying in that ambulance for three hours. Why wasn’t she taken to the hospital, instead of them messing around for so long until it was too late for help?
I keep thinking they wouldn’t dare harm Katie since it would be so public? But then nobody could be more public than Diana and it didn’t save her.
I hope Katie has good bodyguards. If she was my daughter I would never let her out of my sight until this is long over.
CO$ is definitely watching her. At least she is strong enough to get the heck out. CO$ destroys people. Check out The Golden Suicides. I don’t think the couple were scientologists, but there was a CO$ link there. There is a lot of speculation that Tom is not Suri’s dad. I always thought Suri looked like both Tom and Katie. However, someone on a message board said there is suspicion about Tom Davis a CO$ high up being the dad. Google him and you will fall of your chair!
Tommy Davis is featured in those BBC documentaries Amurph mentioned above.
He is one SCARY dude. Put it this way, he comes across as another David Mascavige.
And I think you can see who taught Tom Cruise the no-blinking, staring-a-person-down trick.
Yep, and he is Anne Archer’s son.
The cos and ties to hweird run deep.
They did all this stuff to my family as well. It’s what they do, the way they work. See up thread as someone knowledgable has already posted LRons policies above.
OTiff – I think CO$ appeals to H-Weird because it’s something they can put a price tag on. You know, an “if I ‘donate’ this much, what’s the return on my investment” -type thing.
Would you like to try a Scientolo-tini? 😉
Oh please, I’m certain I’ve been served one before 🙂
I just Googled him and…I fell off my chair. Uncanny! His likeness to Tom and Suri is ‘amazing.’
Christ on a bike….0_o
Now that, ladies and gentleman, is creepy.
Holy crap! Suri looks JUST like him! Especially the eyes. They look like they have the same eyes. Wow.
No need for DNA testing!!!
I know I just checked out photos of Tommyboy davis and he and suri looked exactly alike but why the heck would katie have a child with tommyboy davis? I don’t get the point of this? And if she did, who is listed on the birth certificate as the father?
I think Tommy Davis and Tom Cruise look a lot like each other. And that Katie Holmes looks like both of them.
Tommy Davis has been aol for quite a while now, by the way. He’s most likely in “The Hole,” the prison camp Miscavige sends any executive he’s unhappy with for any reason. I want Davis to break out and write a tell-all so much.
Any theories as to why Miscavige would be displeased with Davis?
Miscavige becomes displeased with people for reasons that are not rational. He has a nasty, violent temper and he likes to have a scapegoat for everything. Tommy Davis made some PR mistakes, like getting angry on camera, and he was caught on tape threatening someone with disconnection after claiming in an interview that disconnection didn’t exist. But Davis also had an impossible job in trying to defend Scientology.
Actually, the answer for why Miscavige decides to punish anyone is “he felt like it.” He’s a terrifying, abusive person with near-unlimited power over other Scientologists and a tinpot god complex.
If this was the case, Katie could threaten a DNA test…however I believe that Suri is Tom’s child. He got Nicole pregnant on 2 occasions. Plus, she looks like him.
If he really can’t have kids, I believe he just would have adopted again – he has twice before – rather than fake it.
Don’t forget when you are comparing Tom to Suri in appearance, you have to use what he’d look like minus the cosmetic improvements:
http://curiousphotos.blogspot.com.au/2010/09/young-tom-cruise-back-in-1984.html
This is like a movie! I wonder what the next plot twist will be??
I just hope that poor kid is ok. Divorce is hard for any kid, let alone with the whole world watching and dissecting every part of it (myself included).
I think it was the Daily Mail where I read that she had actually signed a 5 year contract for around 3 million a year. And she got a bonus for producing a child. Well, her 5 years are up and she’s leaving. I hope she wins in the end. Tom Cruise has always been useless in my book. He’s only made one movie that I ever liked
The contract theory is BS. 3 million for 5 years is 15 million in total, which is nothing. Even if Katie got 15 million plus other perks, it’s still peanuts for having to endure Cruise crazy and CO$. And if her Dad hammered a pre-nup for her, then it is stretching too far that he accepted a contract for just 15 million plus some perks for 5 years in hell.
why does tom keep having these problems (marital, career, image) if he is suppose to be ‘clear’. i thought that was part of the whole COS scam…you will have a better life, etc.
doesn’t he ever ask himself that? or will he blame katie for his problems because she is a ‘suppressive person’.
He just wants to have his cake and eat it too! By god…Xenu, he should date/marry a CO$ practitioner after the divorce is finalized.
I read somewhere how is no coincidence this is his third divorce and all three being 33 yrs old when they divorced even though Katie initiated this one it is still creepy. I have also read how difficult it will be for her to get sole custody based on Scientology alone since this is considered a religion and the courts do not get themselves involved in religious matters when it comes to divorce and she needs more proof than just hearsay. It scary though how people who do not know anything about Scientology think that it’s the same as Catholism and because of that they don’t believe it to be a cult.
I’m a born and raised Catholic and the Co$ is nothing like Catholicism. I’ve never been forced to give all my money to the Catholic church, I’m not followed if I miss mass, the Catholic church has never forced me to abandon members of my family or friend that aren’t Catholic, and the Catholic church sure as hell never forced me into slave labor.
Anyone who says that cult is just like the Catholic church deserves a punch in the mouth for being an idiot.
Agreed. COS and Roman Catholic Church? I don’t see any similarities!!!
I suppose that the people making those comparisons could just be ignorant, but I tend to believe that they’re more likely Scientologist apologists – trying to deflect the “cult” criticisms by saying, “oh, all religions are like that.” Which, no, they are not.
But they seem to like to use that argument to derail the discussion.
well said! I am Catholic too. Neither I was forced to end communication with family members who are not nor punished if missed church (etc) and I studied 12 years in Catholic school.
Ducky La Rue is correct… most of the posts that show up, making the religion comparisons, with the… ‘aren’t all religions bad… why single out Co$????’ and ‘the media is controlling everyone and making Tom look bad!’ mantras are trolls… damage control by minions of the ‘church’, dispatched to deflect and derail conversation. They used to be fairly good at it… and still are on some sites. Fortunately, they are pretty easy to spot.
Well, the Catholic Church before the 19th Century did have a lot in common with Scientology. They punished parishoners for reading, published all holy works in Latin, which was only available to the clergy, and literally said– the only way for you to get into Heaven is for me to pray for you. And for that to happen, you’re going to have to pay me. They bought more and more land in Italy until they owned almost the whole country, while all the peasants were starving, because only 10 percent of the arable land was available for their use.
They persecuted anyone wanting reforms, even big names like Michelangelo. Finally the peasants had to revolt, and that’s why by law the Vatican’s physical property is contained to Vatican City. Almost the same exact thing happened in Mexico, and incidentally, that’s part of the reason why priests in Mexico aren’t allow to wear white collars.
Also, during the Spanish Inquistion, when Jews were being slaughtered left and right, a few pretended to convert to Catholicism to save their lives. But a special group of enforcers would watch their houses and if they didn’t light a fire on Saturday (because they were observing the Sabbath) they were promptly arrested and burned to death publicly.
So, that’s some history of the Catholic Church. It’s true that it’s become much more accepting in the last hundred years, and especially since the 1970s. However, Pope Benedict did say recently that one of the most pressing issue the Church faces is female priests, who are technically banned from wearing the cloth. Apparently, there aren’t any other, more dangerous problems to worry about.
@Janne frisby – We are not in the 19th century. Apples and Oranges.
And really, why pick on the catholics? I am not a religious person but why is it a default excuse for scientology that they are no worse than ancient Catholic times??? Did i miss something? are we still living in ancient times and i am oblivious or unknowing?
Show me a recent catholic inquisition like that lady who was kept in a bunker in the desert.
or where the current pope is using children and adults as slave labour
or catholics being terrorised because they decided to have a thought that wasn’t strictly speaking catholic
or denied their faith if they didn’t hand over cash??
really i could go on….
This is stuff that happens to regular people, not the higher ups in their towers having philosophical discourse on how to progress their religion.
It was wrong then, just as it is wrong now.
The only similarity or tie between the 2 is Tom.
1. Tom was raised Catholic
2. Tom considered going into the Priesthood
3. Tom went into Scientology
a. was it Mimi Rogers who did it?
4. Tom tries to convert Catholic women.
a. Nicole
b. Penelope
c. Sofia
d. Katie
e. There may be others between Nicole and Katie.
LAK, yay! 😉
Islam, Judaism and Catholicism do all have their dark history of times in which human beings misused Koran, Torah and Bible.
But Scientology is definitely not a religion. It’s a dangerous organisation of people, who just want to have power and money.
Yeah… I think society in general has moved on since the 16th and 17th century, so the repeated mentioning of the Inquisition as a way of legitimating Scientology’s weirder practices baffles me. You can’t compare modern society in any way, shape or form. Women had no legal status, and nor did a lot of men. It’s kind of weird when mediaeval religious observance is used as a yardstick for that in the USA in the 21st century.
Not to mention that Catholics who dislike church teaching and dogma are allowed to ignore it without being expelled (look at the birth rate in Italy) challenge it without being ostracised (I can find you some pretty feisty nuns writing sharply critical articles) and leave, as others have pointed out, without being harassed and stalked and separated from loved ones who remain. It’s just a daft claim, that Catholicism is a cult.
I’m an atheist, by the way. I don’t believe in God at all. And my husband is Jewish, and has ancestors who had to leave Russia because of persecution at the hands of the state religion there. I know the history of many is dire. But I don’t worry about Catholic or even Born Again friends. If one became a Scientologist, I’d be very worried indeed. It’s a cult, and anyone without an agenda admits it.
Yes, Mimi is the culprit
Rogers was born Miriam Spickler, a daughter of a Jewish father and a goyishe mother. She and Cruise got married in 1987.
But the time Rogers and Cruise were married, her link to Jewishness was all but severed. Her father, Philip Spickler, was one of the original disciples of L. Ron Hubbard and the Church of Scientology. Mimi followed in his footsteps, and then introduced her gullible husband to the cult.
And then she goes out and says all this $hit about him? I haven’t liked him in 30 years but still – Bitch (in a bad way). Don’t bad mouth your ex when everything wrong with him other than his Napoleon Complex is your darned F-ing fault.
When I was a kid I thought she was “so old” vs him just being older than I was.
I can’t believe she was only 33 when it ended. I can barely believe she was 33 in my lifetime.
Now she is on my $hit list with the Kardassians.
Per Andrew Morton’s book, Tommy had to kick Mimi to the curb in the end because the Church didn’t like it that her dad was making a stink re new policies. Apparently, in the beginning, those storefront churches were run like franchises and the owners (Mimi’s dad) got to keep the profits. Somebody (l ron? David Midgee Miscavige?)decided to alter policy and made those storefronts turn in all the profits to headquarters.
When her dad made a stink, the Church ordered Tommy to divorce her.
I suppose one good thing coming out of all this publicity is that folks seem to be reading the articles published in newspapers and online and may be following the posted links to find out more about CO$.
And that has to be a good thing. People need to be made aware what the ‘church’ is really all about.
I think the original contract Katie signed probably had her agreeing to joint legal custody and for Suri to still be in Scientology, and for Tom to file first. Instead, she bucked the contract and is trying to do things on her terms now. And that made Tommy and Scientology look stupid.
And I definitely think Suri’s real daddy is Tommy Davis. The resemblance is *uncanny.* Oh AND! Tommy Davis’ wife is Jessica Rodriguez/Feschbach, who is/was Katie’s “minder.” It’s been mentioned by many interviewers over the span of TomKat, that if Katie does interview to promote the few movies she’s done, Jessica is *always* present.
You CAN’T make a contract for custodial visitation. If parents can’t agree it would be up to decide the best interests of a child. This is why she’s chosen to fight this outside of the CO$ corrupted church.
I think the Travolta and Presley matters gave her that last bit of courage she needed.
CO$ is under fire from several sides now. They can’t use all their resources on just her.
utmost and formost I pray for her and her child. I had a child with a Scientologist and had to dissappear before they could get their hands on my daughter.
Good for you!!!
And they way they’re holding hands … fingers interlaced. Totally reads happy, having sex regularly. I guess they are both better actors than are credited.
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That man has peeved me since I can remember. I Am really glad she left but I don’t feel she’s safe. Good luck, Katie!
I have never understood why Nicole Kidman didn’t fight for those kids. What in the world could they have on her that warrants leaving those children in the clutches of COS? I truly can’t imagine, even if she did something horrendous, that she’s allowed them to be subjected to that mind torture. Makes me dislike her because it feels like she protected herself but not them.
I hope to hell Katie wins out and it seems she took the upper hand with good advice at first glance.
I really think it’s about Suri’s well being, and the benefit will be Katie getting HERSELF back as well.
It’s because Nicole realized it was better to be alive and hope that her kids would somehow seek her out (they’re over 18, they can do what they want, in theory!) than have something “mysteriously” happen to her and never have the ability to see her kids again. And we don’t know – the Co$ could have threatened Nicole that they’d harm her sister or parents. She probably decided it wasn’t worth it. Not that her kids weren’t worth it, but that the potential harm (being run off the road, having brake lines cut) wasn’t worth it. Connor and Isabella don’t want to see her anyway. Why should Nicole risk being killed for kids who have been brainwashed so fully against her?
I feel the same way about Nicole. Nothing and nobody could stop me from having my kids. My ex and his family and friends tried, but they didn’t succeed.
Having kids, I of course feel the same way. Without being in her situation though, we have no idea what she was threatened with. I’m not trying to trivialize what might have happened with your ex and his family… but Nicole was mixed up with some very powerful, very nasty people who not only go to extreme lengths to get what they want, but also manage to hide their activities with their ‘religion’ status.
I have to say, the one thing that could possibly keep someone away from their kids is if the kids themselves were threatened. I know logic would suggest that there would always be a way to get help from someone… but I don’t know if logic can be easily applied when it comes to the Co$.
two words: parental alienation. Connor and Bella were older than Suri and already immersed in CO$ schools which mean they were already being controlled by the church and probably already encouraged to publicly reject Kidman. My guess is that the knowledge of this coupled with the crumbling facade of Travolta which the general public sees as a CO$ creation and the recent high profile escapes of some CO$ folks are what emboldened Holmes to make her move.
A couple of theories I’ve heard for Nicole’s abdication from parenting her kids:
1. Those kids are adopted it is quite possible that they are legally Tom’s kids.
2. The visitation was initially joint and it was documented that the children attended her wedding to Urban….it’s been floated about that KU’s drug/alcohol addiction prompted Cruise to block visitation.
3. TC seemed to have enough dirt on Nicole to keep her quiet.
4. The high point of Kidman’s career box office and critical was immediately following the divorce it’s possible that she signed away her rights (if she had them) in order to advance her career (I’d like to think not but it is Hollywood).
5. I genuinely think that she was blindsided and bullied, that Tom and the Sceinos executed their plan to indoctrinate those kids so swiftly that before she knew it they were ‘gone’.
I’m still praying that i live long enough to read Isabella Cruise’s memoir.
IF she escapes. the bf she lives with has been brought up in CO$
@Belle I know things were much worse for Nicole and nobody knows what she was threatened with but I just can’t understand it.
My ex had me followed, taped and edited phone conversations, paid my ‘friends’ to spy on me and report back to him, reported my parents to social services for having an unfit living environment for the kids because my sister is mentally disabled (which nearly had her removed), hired a legal team to declare me dangerous(!!!) amongst many many other things.
I stayed strong, complied with the courts and psych evaluations he insisted on and fought him every step of the way.
The courts saw through him and awarded me full custody with him having visitation.
I really feel for Katie, being followed and monitored. I wish Nicole had fought harder. It was really scary for me for a couple of years but I played the long game. I hope Katie has the same stones.
Weren’t they older? They may have been too far into the clutches of CO$ and wouldn’t go with her.
3. + 5.
there’s also speculation that josh hartnett or chris klein being the father-and i do believe she was pregnant when the ‘arrangement’ was created with tom. It would be seen as a win-win; tom gets the image/pr, she gets to not be an unmarried struggling actress in her prime. she’s get access to career opportunities, etc.
I personally believe this to be true. I do not know who the bio father is.
All of the gentlement *could* be said to bear resemblence to suri [or, rather, visa versa].
I’ve been saying that on every thread. Suri is not Tom’s kid – not even legally unless he adopted her because she was already born when they were married.
Tom will let Katie keep Suri to keep that from hiding out. It’s all about the image and he’s sterile. I’m iffy on gay but I’ve heard the sterile rumors from various sources since I was 12.
The problem with the “sterile” claim is that very few men are sterile, as opposed to not fertile enough for a natural conception to be likely. Low sperm/motility would have meant it was hard to conceive back in the late 80s when he was married to Mimi Rogers, so I can buy her saying that then, but technology has moved on so much. They can inject a single sperm into an egg, now, and very few men don’t produce *any*.
The main things to make me suspicious are that the pregnancy was almost immediate. As in, right away. That just seems so improbable. And Suri looks SO like that senior Scientologist it’s actually scary – not even the eyes, but the jaw. The same long, narrow face. But then again, who knows? And if she’s been raised as Tom’s from birth, he’s the father in every way that matters. Terrifyingly.
In a way I hope he isn’t because that strengthens Katie’s hand in the custody dispute. Not because a non-bio, but from birth, parent would have less claim but because Cruise sure as hell won’t want anyone to know that is what he is.
Finally, did anyone else find it amusing that Tom is STILL calling Katie “Kate” even in his statement expressing sadness that they’ve parted? You’d think he would realise that little rechristening had failed, already. But no.
I think she was already pregnant. If she was inseminated why that guy and not Tom. Still the uber bitch Mimi did tell a German magazine TC had a ZERO sperm count. I am not sure if this is feasible. I was a kid then, I’m 40 now.
Katie was not struggling financially. She was reportedly paid $1 million for her role in Batman Begins, which was filmed before she met Tom.
From the aggressive trolls on the last thread to these stories about her being tailed and going ‘underground’… I’m actually surprised that the CO$ hasn’t changed tactics based on the bright spotlight of this particular situation. Scary.
I sometimes wonder if Tom isn’t medically delusional and confusing fantasy (i.e. his movie roles) with reality.
My guess is that Katie gets out of this marriage with full custody of Suri. Then in 6-12 months she is killed in an “accident” whereby Tom gains full custody of Suri ( who will never see her grandparents again. )
Some mistakes can’t be fixed. I feel for Katie and I hope she makes it out of this mess. Somehow I think the Scientology Church is going to make her pay for the rest of her life.
I really hope you’re wrong, but I’d be lying if I said similar thoughts didn’t run through my head. I’m actually scared for her well-being right now.
It’s a disgusting and shocking scenario, but I thought of it yesterday.
And it’s a scenario we know CO$ are capable of.
No, too many people would be asking questions. Tom knows if he fights Katie too hard it will be a PR disaster. If Katie were to die in a car accident 6-12 months from now, too many people would think he’s involved. It would also bring $cientology under greater scrutiny. They would not be able to escape the rumors. The strategy is even simpler and only involves time and Tom kissing ass to Suri.
He’ll let Katie have custody. Him doing anything else would kill his image. He’ll portray himself as the A-list movie star single dad. He’ll spoil Suri whenever he can and try to be the cool dad. Eventually, he’ll ask that he be given summer visitation of Suri (around age 9 or 10) and chances are Katie will not be able to stop it from happening. Then Suri will be allowed to run wild and do her thing. When Suri turns about 13 or so Tom will ask for custody and Suri will ask to live with her dad instead of her “boring” mom. That’s how it will go down. To harm Katie in any way will only make everyone else, Tom and Co$ look bad and suspicious.
I thought of the ‘accident’ scenario yesterday as well. It’s sickening.
But I think LeeLoo has hit the nail on the head.
I reckon what with all the recent bad publicity and more information being available to the general public, Co$’s plan is going to be more long term.
Seems a bit over the top, though. You’d think they’d let one kid go, it’s not like it would destroy the cult.
thinking he’s involved and proving it are two different things
I wouldn’t put it past CO$ to have Holmes killed off somehow but I think they’d try to make it look like suicide or find a way to poison her
@olcranky If Co$ is seriously trying to kill Katie then they are stupid. If she dies under any circumstances it will only bring greater negative media scrutiny down on them and on Tom. It will open up a huge can of worms and the Co$ will be bound to falter.
Sure she’s a suppressive person now but they know better than to mess with her. She couldn’t have filed at a better time. If she were to even die of a legitimate stroke not involving Co$ in any way before Suri turned 18, David Miscaviage and Tom Cruise are so screwed.
Sorry, but these people love when the public thinks this way (that they are too “stupid” to take action). It all boils down to how dangerous she may be for co$ or how angry she made tom. If these both prove true, then heaven help her.
Leeloo,
That scenario of Tom turning Suri against Katie when she’s older is a real fear of mine. How awful would it be after fighting so hard for her daughter? That’s why I cannot understand why she would be willing to allow him unlimited access. Surely she must know how easy it was for him/CO$ to poison Connor and Isabella’s minds against Nicole? Unless, as I said earlier, she has some ace to play to ensure that won’t happen. I really, really hope she has.
I’d be mucho grateful for the paps at this point if I were Katie. The more they follow her and keep tabs on her, the safer she is. And the paps are now on a watch for the CO$ crazies. Good. And no doubt in my mind that she is being watched/followed by TC and CO$. Scary stuff, indeed.
I hear some NYC civilians, pissed off by all this, are taking it upon themselves to keep tabs on the crazies following her. Not paps. This could get interesting if some silly co$ goon with a video game mentality forgets his manners! I would love to see one reeducated by a gym member in Hamptons shorts, or a cabdriver who’s been given a nice big tip. Bwahh ha ha. Welcome to summer in New York, tools, where everyone has a camera.
Love New Yorkers, can see lots of them making it their duty to help protect Katie.
I apologize if this has been asked and answered on an earlier thread, but is there any chance that Katie was emboldened by the recent news about Lisa Marie Presley extricating herself from Scientology?
If she deviated from Tom’s contractual plan, maybe that’s another reason (in addition to her concerns that Suri could be audited now that she’s 6)?
Oooh! Another person that can potentially be depo’d.
I totally think Lisa Marie and the scandal with Travolta helped her make a move.
I heard LM was in hiding in London but she was at some event locally within the last 2-3 months which means she feels safer.
Spill it all, Katie. Take down the cult!
I believe something very sinister & creepy is the root of the divorce. This doesn’t seem like the typical “growing apart” separation–this is a woman, Katie, who is finally opening her eyes to the crazy, destructive lifestyle brought on by her husband’s cult.
Let’s hope that the paparazzi will document the CO$ people who are following her! In this instance, I think the paps are more likely to keep Katie & Suri safe than to harm them. Here’s hoping.
Thanks for all the updates Bedhead & keep ’em coming!
Could someone explain the logic of “the contract is up”? I’ve always heard that and never understood it. I mean: Surely THIS was not how the contract was supposed to end, right? How does the idea of a contract fit into this story?
When they first got together ‘The Daily News’ gossip column stated that Holmes signed a 5yr marriage contract with TC for 3 million + a bonus for any children. This was in 2005 she produced a child then married for 5 years almost to the day that’s no coincidence.
@ How about the fact that the way it’s publically playing out, minus co$ bashing, is also the way it is supposed to be because Tom’s career would take a serious hit if HE filed for divorce. Therefore let her file, be ‘blindsided’. The fact that she’s asked for certain things in the filing doesn’t mean she’s going to get them especially as it’s already taken care of in pre-nup.
I know everyone is saying she’s a smart cookie blah blah blah, but i almost think it was too easily executed given the level of spying that she was under. This is a woman who has had minders since day one. When would she have contacted her parents to help out without co$ finding out. And isn’t the first tenet of co$ to remove anybody in your life who isn’t drinking the co$ kool-aid? or am i giving co$ too much credit and being too cynical about Hollywood people and their level of deviousness?
Thanks, y’all. I’m starting to get part of the picture, I think.
I understand the timing looks suspicious. What I don’t understand is: what is the theory about what Katie is doing now, and how it relates to the contract?
But let me check my understanding. I had thought that Katie’s actions right now must surely be breaking any contract. But is it the common theory that this *is* the contract? Is this in collusion with Tom, or an escape from him?
One would hope that Katie has a bodyguard around. I do kind of wonder if TMZ is making something out of nothing. It would make more sense to me that Katie would hire a bodyguard at this time to keep the $cientologists (and Tom) away.
I do agree with previous posters. I think the paps actually have Katie and Suri’s back on this one. It’s like a big brother protecting his sister from a douchebag ex-boyfriend/husband. With all the sinister info regarding Co$ that has come out in the past year, I think everyone wants to make sure she’s safe and are rooting for her. Both TMZ and Radar seem to be interested in giving her advice to win her custody case than interested in spreading malicious gossip. Notice how EVERY media outlet has been very careful about what they are reporting? They seem to be cautious about coming down too hard on Tom or pissing off $cientology too bad. The stories are not overly salacious and seem to be consistent in telling. Whether it’s workaholic Tom, controlling Tom, or crazed $cientology Tom these are not new stories. I think you have several media outlets like TMZ that know more details but are keeping quiet for Katie’s safety and so they don’t piss off Tom.
Despite all of that, I think Katie is keeping her cards very close to her chest. If her father is a lawyer, he probably told her not to share anything that can potentially be used in the battle with anyone. I get the feeling she has a load of dynamite in her jacket. This is gonna be a fun ride.
@LeeLoo: I don’t think TMZ are making something out of nothing, because even
@rupertmurdoch tweeted something about Co$ today: Scientology back in news. Very weird cult, but big, big money involved with Tom Cruise either number two or three in hiearchy. (typo by Murdoch) and Watch Katie Holmes and Scientology story develop. Something creepy, maybe even evil, about these people.
I don’t follow him, but those tweets were retweeted by Roger Ebert.
When even Rupert Murdoch thinks you’re ‘creepy’ and ‘evil’, you must be very creepy and evil indeed.
Nanea,
Murdoch is a very good friend of Nicole. I think he was even at her wedding to Keith Urban.
@ Tiffin: right, now that you mention it…
Murdoch and his tabloids are pretty creepy themselves, so he knows from creepy when he sees it.
Maybe now he will use some of the information he probably promised Nicole K never to repeat, but will somehow find its way into one of his stories on this. A Sun bombshell with mysterious “sources” on some of the “creepy” stuff that went on when Nicole was married to Tom.
This is some scary, yet fascinating sh!t.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/scientology/
I don’t understand why Katie would let someone other than Tom father her child.
Not sure who the father is, but if it is someone else, then it could be either she was already pregnant when she got with Tom (a lot believe this one), or that she agreed to artificial insemination with what she *thought* was Tom’s baby batter.
got it, thanks
You know I am mixed about Katie. I have to say a part of me has little sympathy for her. She stood by and supported Tom in what he did to Nicole. Smiled big and bright when those children called her Mom. A woman that will sit by and support a man taking children away from their mother loses a lot of points in my book. She was all front and center when Connor and Bella were removed from the life of their mother. Going on Oprah spouting off about “her family”. Now she is on the other side of that.
Whether Tom is Suri’s father doesn’t matter. If he is then by law he has a right to be in the life of his daughter. If he is not the father then that means Katie was a part of that deception. How does that make her look. People may hate the COS but Katie knew going in what was going on. She had a first hand view with Nicole. And she didn’t care. I don’t want to compare cases because they are not the same, but everyone here has been on Halle’s case about her taking Nalah from her father. If Katie is going to try and say Tom is an unfit father then she should be very careful. The Courts would have a lot of problems bring religion into this case. It would not stop with Tom/Katie but go into many marriages. That is sticky. Besides Katie is on record in so many interviews print and otherwise saying how amazing a father Tom is. Just like when Halle was screaming Gabe was abusive Yet before wanting him out of the picture she was saying how great he was.
This will be a battle. And like it or not Tom is not going to be excluded from this child’s life. And Tom is on set acting like he has not a care in the world. To me that is more scarier than if he had rushed back to the states. Katie better watch out.
Lisa – You bring up some really good points both on Katie’s behavior re Nicole’s kids and with the custody thing taking Suri away from her father. I feel though this might be a different case from Halle’s because if Katie can prove that Tom and his goons are harmful to Suri and Suri’s relationship with her mother that might be something. Also, if Katie is going to say she was controlled and had minders/handlers around at all times I mean she could argue that any interview she gave was watched so what could she say? Tom is controlling and evil? Also, it was obvious she was being controlled all she could ever say were some lame adjectives about Suri being “magical”, “amazing”, etc. I mean we don’t know what she knows so maybe she has some really good dirt on this maniac. But, like you said I keep thinking about how she said Nic’s kids call her mom and that did seem disrespectful and she treated Bella like a nanny. And she was not a girl in her first flush of youth so she would have had some wisdom by the time she met tommygirl.
You know I was thinking regarding the minders/handlers.. Look at the comments here. Everyone and their brother have a negative view of the COS. It could be argued that Tom was trying to protect his family from fanatics that could bring harm to this child. I’m sure Tom has all kinds of hate mail or threats to back that up. There are are some seriously crazy people out there. Tom could argue that he is in a better position to protect Suri. We have seen so many celebs hurt or killed by nuts. So again I don’t see the courts taking Suri away from Tom unless Katie could show that he has hurt the child in some way.
I’ve had yet another thought about the custody thing. (Jeebus, I can’t stay away!)
Now please understand I’M NOT BASHING ANY RELIGION; I DON’T MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE: THIS IS JUST ME WONDERING OUT LOUD.
You know when you sometimes hear of court battle between parents or the authorities and parents, say regarding witholding treatment of a sick child based on religious grounds. Would the US courts intervene, based on what’s in the best interest of the child? I’m not from the US, so I don’t know how that works. Does it differ from state to state?
I don’t suppose Katie could use some kind of a similar arguement that
religion should be taken into account in her custody case, because we’ve all been reading what kids in CO$ are put through in this ‘interview’ at 6 years of age and that is NOT in the interest of the child.
Don’t know about specific laws but Katie will not have a strong ground unless she can produce any kind of damning evidence against CO$. She cannot contest on the ground that she does not agree with Tom’s religious beliefs and that Suri’s upbringing as per CO$ can be harmful to the child. Also, I’m not sure she can contest on the argument you mentioned – “we’ve all been reading what kids in CO$ are put through in this ‘interview’ at 6 years of age and that is NOT in the interest of the child.” If that were the case, the government would have revoked the tax-free status of CO$ a long time ago. It’s still recognized as a ‘church’ and any religious arguments made would amount to questioning the secular nature of the constitution.
Thanks for that – I was just throwing the idea out there. I just want Katie and Suri as far away from the CO$ as possible.
I am sorry for drifting a bit of the topic, but being european this is quite new and fascinating for me.
I just discovered there IS a scientology church in Portugal (where I live). CREEEEEEEEEEEEPY!!! Just by checking their website you perceive that they’re cmplete MANIACS!!! I wish I had the power to shut all of that down. I almost feel tempted to pretend I want to be one, so I could learn the DIRT and then destroy them or kick them out of Portugal!
I would like to ask: is scientology the only like…”dangerous” religion in the US? I heard some creepy things about mormons too, pedophile scandals and such,are those rumours true?
and how did it really happen with nicole kidman and the kids? I read somewhere that the girl Isabella(?) was miserable because she had to babysit for Katie and Tom and wasn’t treated in a very nice way…
This is totally of the top of my head (so not based anything like facts) but the US has lots and lots of ‘cults’, religions, etc. But even if they’re ‘dangerous’ they’re not on the same scale of power and influence the COS is.
And yes, there are people who think Mormonism is a cult, but then I’ve met people who also think Catholics aren’t really Christians.
Thanks,and yes I’ve never read anything so crazy like all those things about scientology! I would think it violates human rights,I mean…I know kids are supposed to be under the protection of parents, but isn’t interrogating them at such an early age by such means a terrible violation of privacy and ethics?
Of course there were lots of worse things going on with other religions or cults in other centuries and still are in some countries, but it’s weird that scientologists are so powerful! I think many of them don’t even believe in scientology, it’s just a scam to fool people, earn money a have power and control.
Just in case that wasn’t a joke, please don’t join for any reason, not even to expose them. There is real mind control and brainwashing going on in there, and even if you were mentally well prepared and had a solid support network to pull you out, it would likely be an extremely unpleasant experience.
even journalists who went in fully prepared report that they felt affected, were pressured in various ways if they wanted to leave, and thoroughly spooked by the whole thing.
http://www.hollywoodinterrupted.com/2006/03/23/ebner-undercover-scientology-spy-magazine-1996/
That article was both hysterical and skin-crawlingly creepy. I’ve looked into some of the stories from former CO$ members, but even still, that gave me chills.
It was a joke, I honestly am afraid of those people!The experience that journalist had sound terrifying, I wouldn’t put myself through that unless it was a matter of life or death! I think I’m gonna start to make people in my country aware of the dangers of scientology. Fortunately I think nobody here cares about it, people are starting to become very indifferent to religion and stuff. He have loads of “scientology behavior” in our politics though =( Half of our politicians should be in jail!
The more I read about this stuff, the more I am scared for Katie.
On Friday, I was so proud of her for filing for divorce (honestly didn’t think it would happen for another 5 years). I don’t have anything against Tom, but it’s the Church (and the people in it) that scare me. People are following her? Could you imagine having that happen with a child? I know, she’s a celebrity and used to having paps following her. The main difference is the paps will leave once they get a few pictures. The people following her from the Church–when will they leave?
The people in the fancy cars are the more obvious ones…I’m sure there are other people strategically placed.
Chills chills chills.
co$ are so dangerous, they are totally following her and will do eveything they are accused of. its is so obvious they have leaked these stories about john travolta(danny) because he wants to leave the church after their bullsh!t killed his son. they cant paint katie as a pedo or a deviant but they will follow, intimidate or even worse. she will not get full custody, and unfortunately suri will choose to live with tom like connor and isabella. because anybody would choose to live with the nice guy, the one who lets them have icecream for breakfast and does not tell them off. its sad but true. katie leaving now is closing the gate after the horse has bolted. that child will never never be able to function in the real world because of the over-indulgence she has had in these last 6 years. props to katie, but its too damn late. and she was not naive, she lives in los angeles, works in the film industry and was 28 yrs old when she married tom. she should have known about co$, or men who seem “too good to be true”(they are.)no sympathy for katie, hope it works out but suri’s too rotten beyond redemption. no happy ending, and we must rid the world of co$.
“that child will never never be able to function in the real world because of the over-indulgence she has had in these last 6 years”
So you’re saying a 6 year old is irredeemable?
i am not a fan of Tom or Katie.i used to be a fan of Tom Cruise when i was a teenager but I overcome thatI haven’t seen any movie of him for a long time.i became annoyed with him during the courting of katie.its over the top.but in this divorce , as it information being leaked each day(which im sure katie is responsible)even if i am a woman i starting to have sympathy on Tom Cruise.I think Katie is pulling aJennifer Aniston here.Nobody forced her to marry TOM and joined Scientology.Its her choice>She want fame and advance her career that’s why she married him.and now that it didn’t happen because she has no talent and charisma,and because it did not worked she divorce him and trying to get people sympathy which may help her career even if it destroy the father of her child.and i think she is also using her childto get that.we have a choice.i don’t know about scientolgy she had a choice and joined that religion.this makes me admire nicole kidman more.She never do this thing that katie is doing but with her talent she achieved fame and the respect of people.a classy lady. i never thought i will defend tom cruise.this is the first time i defended him on the internet.i am sick of people judging him through speculations.let us not quick to judge pls.
Don’t be so quick to judge Katie then!
Oh please, this bullshit defense is so old and doesn’t hold any water. Try again. Nobody should be feeling any sympathy for Tom whatsoever. Nicole probably didn’t do any of this, because she was probably threatened by the “church” in one way or another.
If whomever is following Katie, and is displaying NYPD officer hats, and is inferring they are with NYPD, that is impersonating an officer, which can lead to an arrest of the individuals. I honestly am scared for Katie and her child. And Tom needs to pull back and let her go because I think this will make him an outcast even worse than he is. And kill his career. Unfortunately, he is such a control freak and psycho, I dont think he could even be reasoned with. I hope and I am sure she has body guards. But I would have body guards protecting those body guards personally.
“this makes me admire nicole kidman more.She never do this thing that katie is doing ”
What thing that Katie is doing? Being the one who was doing the blindsiding instead of the being the one who was blindsided?
Or Katie becoming a Scientologist? Because Nicole was also a Scientologist during her marriage to Tom.
Katie doesn’t need to use Scientology to get custody because Suri isn’t even Tom’s child — I’ve never believed that she was and I think it will ALL come out, finally.
Katie doesn’t need to use Scientology to get custody because Suri isn’t even Tom’s child — I’ve never believed that she was and I think it will ALL come out.
I feel for Katie. However, I need to admit this is one divorce is newsworthy because it exposes C0$. Ironic if Katie Holmes is the unraveling of C0$. Since the church probably orchestrated the pairing, they in a sense orchestrated their possible downfall. If it breaks out in the mass media they’re stalking Katie, its bad publicity for the church. Since this has happened I began reading the many articles written by ex-members. They are a cult, and a dangerous cult. Katie probably is being stalked and bet it didn’t start with the divorce. I’d assume they have watched her for a long time. Creepy and hope they get their tax-empt status revoked.
She’s not going to bring it down. She was barely in it. They’ve had leaders in the church defect and talk and share real insider info in the last few years and it didn’t bring them down. She could hurt Tom’s career by talking about Scientology practices. That’s her leverage. Tom doesn’t want the career he worked so hard to rehabilitate and resurrected to be hurt so they will all play hardball but eventually quietly settle the divorce. Mark my words. Tom thought he was invincible years ago careerwise. He now knows he’s not.
Will it collapse completely, no. However, I believe it will further expose it as a cult rather than an actual religion. Ex-memebrs aren’t A-list celebrities. Most people aren’t going to purposely watch or read about ex-memebrs escapes or traumatic experiences. This is Tom Cruise, not a John Smith down the road. If its true, they are stalking an A-list celebrities wife & child. Katie could be the fuel that makes the fire a much bigger fire. The outing of them possible stalking a mother and her child, Paul Thomas Anderson’s film The Master (defiantly eludes its about L. Ron Hubbard) in October. Its going to be a bad year for C0$. Jayna you’re definitely right about Tom Cruise!
I’m watching ET and it has begun. They have devoted so far the first 30 minutes showing “what an amazing person” Tom is. Showing his female co-stars saying how great Tom is. Showing Tom and Katie in better times.
I’m going to be curious to see how the media covers this. Gossip blogs are one thing. But TV and such is a different animal.
TC being the A-lister, of course they’d paint him in the best possible light. And he’s got that Rottweiler/Staffordshire Bull Terrier of a lawyer named Bert Fields on his team. That one is good at scaring/threatening people.
Let’s hope they won’t all say what a good person Crazy Cruise is, that some will report about the evil of Co$. But I highly doubt it.
You know…..it has got to be tough to see your marriage fall apart. No one wants their marriage to fail, but on the same token if you are not happy and depending on how well both parties are willing to compromise it may be best to dissolve the relationship.
I am sure many of us have been there. But when you look back, sometimes you can see where it was the best move. Living separate lives most of the time, control issues, cheating, realizing you did not know the person long enough and other factors kill many marriages. She can get out of it and come out on top because they have money, but so many people stay in because of financial reasons and they stay miserable. She looked weathered, her head was always down, she just looked sad and the smiles she put on looked forced. This was probably the best move for her and a weigh will be lifted off her shoulders.
I wish her all the best.
And look at their hands. He looks like he is firmly clasping hers and her fingers are not clasping his. He’s choking her hand just like he chokes her neck lolll
I’ll bet them not sleeping in the same bed for months is because Tom wasn’t getting his way on having another baby…He seems the type that if he doesn’t get his way, he will just freeze you out…
I think it would be fair to say that if Katie does win full-custody of Suri it means she has plenty of shit about Tom that she can blackmail him with. He won’t want this to go to Court and I bet it gets settled and that Katie gets full-custody. This will kill Tom, he adores that kid, but he won’t have a choice!
Tony Ortega consulted a Manhattan lawyer who’s studied Scientology, and he disagrees with Radar: http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_family_court_katie_holmes_suri_cruise.php
Thanks for the link, Emily!
Thank you. I didn’t think that sounded right (at least, not for NY, anyway).
I read that as “spit-roasted by the friar club”. Maybe I’m physic…. 😉
Normally, I post with my real name but in this case since I’m revealing a very personal story, I’ve decided to change my name. I can DEFINITELY relate to the idea that Katie genuinely believed this “whirlwind romance” would work out (and not that she “knew what she was getting into”). I think it was Belle (?) who gave the best description on what could’ve happened. I say this from personal experience: I was engaged to a man 12 years my senior (I was 20 at the time) and I saw a lot things I overlooked because he swept me off my feet. In the beginning, he sent me flowers to work (in Texas) when he was out-of-state training for a federal job (in South Carolina) that came with a card that said “Thanks for being so amazing! I love you!” He then welcomed me home the first day after our engagement (proposed on Valentine’s Day) to a banner that said “Welcome Home Beautiful”. My fantasy growing up was to marry a buff,tall, blonde, blue-eyed, creative man who could give me all the love and support I needed. He did give me all of that but showed red flags like telling me he once broke a computer just because he was frustrated it didn’t work and how he previously had another broken engagement. Needless to say, I was young, naive, and innocently hopeful this would work out. He ended up calling the cops on me and putting a peace bond on me. I had NEVER had ANY run-ins with authority so it was the most humiliating thing I’ve ever been through. I just looked at him crying and asked why? and he just shrugged, smiled, and said I didn’t give him any other option. THIS was the man I wanted to marry but was blinded by all the acts and genuinely fell head over heels (then flat on my ass lol)…to be kind, it was a learning experience. I’m assuming the feelings I felt could definitely be Katie right now, too. I NEVER genuinely care for celebrities. I just check in Celebitchy everyday because I love reading what the writers/ comments say but this time, I feel really worried for her. All of us seem to side with her and I’ll be praying for her safety and peace of mind.
Add all that you felt for that guy at the beginning and Imagine having loved and adored that man as a child/young-girl even before you ever met. Katie had a mayor crush on Tom growing up. Pretty sure she had stars in her eyes when they met. She kept saying how “privileged” she felt being with him, and i no doubt believe Tom and his team constantly made her feel like she’s the one who should feel “grateful” to be his wife. Took her long enough for her eyes to finally clear and see the truth.
btw, I’m sorry for what happened between you and that guy. I hope your stronger and better for it.
Thanks, Cam!
I kind of feel pathetic for posting that baggage on here since I haven’t even told close friends how we ended. He blindsided me and told me he was going over to a friend’s house real quick and came back with the cops and that was the last time we ever had contact. It was pretty heartbreaking. I am better now..more guarded but more self-aware.
I didn’t mean to make that whole rant about me (lol) but I guess the gist of it was that I am definitely more empathetic now after going through that junk. I used to be very skeptical about things like this but I genuinely feel for Katie. You’re right, though. She was probably 1000000000X more hooked than I was; I can imagine it was like living a dream at first for her and sometimes you don’t want to be honest with yourself when your fantasy isn’t as awesome as you’d thought it’d be now that it’s a reality. Truly sad.
What a horrible story! I hope it happened a long time ago and that you have moved on to bigger and better (or even just better!) things.
I once dated a sociopath who also pulled out all the stops and then delighted in freezing me out at odd times. We were together for a year but I never truly bought into him and, in the end, I got him back with a carefully placed nine word barb that ensured he knew I wasn’t available for his f-ery anymore. I was almost 30 at the time though. You were a baby.
Thanks, Mich!
It’s been almost two years now…I’m a lot better. I’m seeing someone who is the complete opposite but that kind of trauma sticks for a while…I was with my ex-fiance for a year and a lot happened in that year. I’d like to think I came out of this a lot wiser and approach relationships with a more rational mind instead of jumping into things. I had never done anything like that before but I honestly believed him. I’m glad you got out of a toxic relationship too. We get what they put up with and I’m glad you had the head to get out of there.
My personal feeling is she went into this as a business deal, make me a star and I’ll pretend to be your wife. I doubt if they ever slept together at all. I don’t feel that sorry for her because her parents and everybody else tried to talk her out of getting involved in the CoS crap. Now the payment comes due for that. I wouldn’t be shocked at all if there weren’t an “unfortunate incident” involving her.
Not sure if I agree with you, but if you’re right, I feel so, so badly for her parents.
her parents never hid their co$ disapproval and many tabs run stories about it. I am very very surprised that co$ didn’t declare them SP because that is a very basic tenet of their church.
@ LAK
Are you really surprised? I’m not.
Celebs clearly get special treatment to keep them in the fold and to maintain a positive image.
Because of this, I was really taken aback by the obvious, aggressive and insulting trolling from ‘operatives’ on previous CB threads relating to this story. Why let the world see so clearly what you have always denied? It goes against PR 101.
There is no explanation except that these people live in a bubble.
Personally, I LOVE how they refer to the internet as a live, singular being instead of the combined voice of thousands and millions.
This has Katie PR team written all over it. I mean really how would TMZ or who ever know, what Katie feeling unless her people are feeding them information. Whether its true which when talking about CO$ is very believable or not.
This is all staged, in hollywierd you see what they want you to see.
Conntract is up that’s it nothing else
She will keep suri
He gets a new beard
End of story
The fact that Katie’s dad is a lawyer doesn’t mean squat. There’s nothing he can do for her that any other lawyer can’t do except give her free advice, which is no big deal because both she and Tom can afford all the legal support they’ll need. However, the way some of you are talking about the CO$ I’m starting to wonder if Katie’s in danger of going the same way as Lady Dianna.
I’m so afraid for Katie. She did the right thing by leaving his crazy ass, I just hope it doesn’t cost her dearly the way it has cost others who’ve tried to leave that disgusting cult.
Weren’t the Cruises palling around with the Beckhams quite a bit? Whatever happened to that relationship?
They were all hanging out…the Beckhams, the Travoltas, the Smiths…..2/3 I just listed are having marital problems. And surprisingly this thing about these men being homosexual keeps surfacing. Now I have nothing against LGBT but this is a common theme in these relationships. Relationship problems and sexuality issues like I said seems like a theme with this group. Hmmm
I have never heard any rumors about Beckham being gay. Quite the opposite.
I think you have a point except for the Beckhams. David Beckham is straight and he and Victoria got sick of Tom trying to convert them. As one tabloid said “Victoria is a God fearing British women”…and so is David Beckham. Thy are no nonsense.
Tom did pall around with Jennifer Lopez (her Dad converted from Catholicism to Scientology)and Marc Anthony a lot. Leah Remini may have been a part of that group too.
I think the Beckhams liked the idea of all those connections in Hollywood, but they are both too grounded and too media savvy to fall into the Co$ trap. Once it became clear that recruiting was what the friendship from Cruise was all about, they cut that shit off.
The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that Suri must be his baby and conceived naturally.
She was pregnant in under 3 months of them getting together. An IVF cycle takes about 2 months. That would mean she would have had to agree to IVF virtually in the first week of them getting together. Not to mention signing all sorts of contractual agreements that would have been run past lawyers – there just wasn’t enough time. It’s an insane theory.
The opposite theory says that she was already pregnant with Chris Klein’s/someone else’s baby. But that doesn’t add up because that would mean that Suri would have to have been about 5 months older than she is officially – and there’s no way she was large enough or developed enough for that.
I agree Suri probably was conceived naturally when they were together – just not actually by them together. That kid is the absolute spitting image of Tommy Davis – so much so its disturbing. I’ve never thought she looked a thing like Tom – definitely Chris Klein when she was much younger, but even Tom as a younger man pre-face messing, he still doesn’t look like her, and nor does Katie entirely. Of course some kids come out like one parent or the other, a perfect mix or like a grandmother or uncle, but in this case Tommy Davis looks like Suri if she chopped off her hair. I never really believed TC was 100% sold on vagina, and with all the crazy reports out of hollywood, the blind items, whatever your favorite source for this might be, I find it much more plausible that he’s just not that into her…in that way…but needed a child. Find someone within this cult who looks a fair bit like him and Katie and voila! The fun thing about predicting genetic expressions is that you can never depend on them, and sometimes you get a jewel like Suri who rocked out all the right genes for Tommy Davis. Those subtle expressions are worth more than any tell-all. Who knows how he spun it to make it happen, but I don’t doubt if Katie were going along with it she would have been accepting of his reasons at the time. TC always seemed very odd and bizarre when talking about her and vice versa, almost like couples I see that you know don’t dislike each other but don’t love each other either…but try and pretend they do, and of course fail miserably by overcompensating. Do a side by side of Tommy Davis, TC and Suri, and even Maury Povich could call that one. One of the highest ranking men in CoS just happens to look near identical to Suri because of coincidence?I just can’t buy it, not with this group of crazy…
You make a great point…but what about the where’s Suri reports that seem to come out when no one could get a picture?
it’s a good publicity for the new film of Paul Thomas Anderson
I keep thinking that if she gets custody of Suri, it is going to make Nicole Kidman look pretty bad. I’ve always given her the benefit of the doubt regarding why she gave up her kids so easily and if Katie keeps Suri it shows it can be done.
The divorce from Nicole was before Tom Cruise’s monumental freakout on live tv. That combined with M I Scientology video really revealed Scientology to the public as cracked.
He is not Mr. Number One A-List anymore. He is revealed as a weak-minded and suspect and now is an object of repudiation.
Katie is standing on different ground than did Nicole.
Also – people have hinted that maybe Nicole made a mistake and actually took auditing seriously or something ?. Because leaving her children seems impossible. But it happened. Also, she definitely seemed crushed by Tom. Like she would take him back in a heartbeat. When people are like that they can take insane risks in the hopes that things will change back.
So, it looks like Tom is filing separately in California.
Can someone explain what happens when there are two competing divorce filings? Does the first filing take precedence? Can Tom get Katie’s thrown out?
this may be completely unrelated, but if this article is right, then with this kind of connections, Co$ can do a heck of a lot of damage to Katie if she’s not carefule 🙁
gosh this whole debacle sounds like something out of “24” or something.
http://bocktherobber.com/2012/07/scientologist-tea-party-congresswoman-threatens-galway-over-che-guevara-statue/
If the ace she is holding is that tom isn’t the father than why would she be asking for child support? I would think if she is trying to say that she had suri before her marriage and that tom isn’t even the father she wouldn’t be asking this man to support her child. So even if he isn’t the biological father by seeking child support she is acknowledging him as the father. Hope you guys are right though because that would be fantastic for both katie and suri. This has been fascinating and I don’t think any of us has gotten much done with our weekend. I think many of us are so riveted to the situation because of the cult aspect of it and it is likely every parent’s nightmare. Did everyone see that the cult put out a statement thru their lawyers that they are not following katie? LOL
Given how controlling they seem, it wouldn’t surprise me if it turns out they recorded EVERYTHING about Katie’s life, like when she’s at home in the bathroom taking a dump. Or giving Suri a bath. And that they would be willing to “leak” it to punish her.
I also think she needs to beef up her own security. These people are scary.
Don’t have time to read entire thread: 1. Co$ can afford to wait to punish or eliminate Katie. 2. The US Govt doesn’t CARE about this kind of shenanigans. It’s a criminal-run enterprise & those in charge Facilitate the abuse.
I hope that in addition to kickass legal counsel and very loyal security detail, Katie gets herself and Suri into counseling, stat. After five years of crazy CO$ Cruise I imagine it’s going to take years to undo the psychological damage and paranoia he’s instilled in her. Not to mention the insane pressure she’ll be under with the custody battle. I totally agree with everyone who thinks this sh*t is about to get good and ugly…
seriously?
this is all terribly, frightfully, sad for this poor woman. I sincerely hope and pray to God (yes, tommy, there is a God!) that he looks over her and suri and keep them from harm.
just imagine that in your life, being followed, by something you cant see…it’s a horrible horror movie script in real life
stay strong KATIE!
what a DICK!!!
scaring the #%@%!^ outta your own kid and soon to be ex wife..
DICK.
omg scared for katiebot
Gorgeous helicopter. Creepy guy riding in it, lol.
I really do hope the paps step up to do the right thing and aid Katie with evidence she & Suri are being stalked. TMZ are you listening?
I don’t care who you are or what religion you belong too. If you stalk a little child you are creepy filth.
Thank you CB for keeping us updated. No posting on 4th of July. You all deserve a break. CB & Kaiser hope you and your loved ones are ok after the huge storm this weekend.
Katie’s not poor or middle class, she can afford bodyguards. And if she really has balls like everyone here claims by filing for divorce from Tom, don’t tell me now that’s she’s afraid to call the cops when she believes someone is following her. Or maybe this whole divorce thing was already planned by both. Some people like yourselves cheer for Kate while others feel sorry for Tom.
For once, I am grateful for the paps.
I don’t think Cruise was blindsided by the divorce. After all, 5 years is up. What he is blindsided by, is her move to take Suri. Deep down, I think Katie hoped Tom would love and cherish her always. But when it became apparent that that was not going to happen, that he was going to cut her loose after the 5 years were up, and that she was going to lose Suri just like Nicole lost Isabelle and Conner, her hand was forced. She got a good read on the outcome of divorce from Tom, from his divorce from Nicole, where kids are concerned and I’m sure that she is scared to death.
I’m pulling for her. I think Tom could sink like a stone in the public’s opinion if he succeeds in taking Suri away from her.
Katie was hoping Tom would turn her into a Big Star. Neither one in my opinion was fit parents when it came to raising Suri.
They both knew what was coming down early on. Probably still negotiating in Iceland…from the looks of that one pic.I hope Tom will bow out gracefully to shut her greedy ass up. Then again…she lived through it! Who really knows what went on there? I want facts, but Katie will pull the Nicole treatment!
I must be the only one not surprise they are divorcing. Since a year or two ago tab’s have been mentioning a five year contract. Not many people such as myself believed this we’re in love for real, all I can think of was how long is their contract. It’s good PR for Katie since we know divorcing Tom will not get her an Oscar like Nicole, but it mite get her better work then what she has now. Do you think Tom would really be the one asking Katie for a divorce? It would be bad PR for him esp. since he made hisself look like a fool with the madness of love display, and people would be saying I thought so. We all know he cares about what the public think! And when did Katie ever think about being a good parent. Suri wears diapers, still drinks out of a bottle, sucks a pacifier, and she’s Tom and Katie’s walking advertisement. Katie pimped that child day and night in front of the pap’s and now she’s afraid of someone stalking her. All the money she’ll be getting from Tom, what she can’t afford bodyguards now? Why didn’t call the cops as soon as she realized she was being followed, to keep herself in the papers that’s why.
Who cares if she is being followed — she is way to in the public eye for anything to happen to her. Actually it just proves what nuts Scientoligists are if they are following her.
Can you imagine what is going on behind scenes in Scientology right now! You know they are panicking that Katie will reveal info but she wont because im sure she signed off on all that when she married Tom. Its not like she can run to the press with any dish about Scientology without being sued for breach of contract.
Katie made her bed but unfortunately found out it was a very messy one. Tom will black ball her in Hollywood and she wont work again.
I think she was totally star struck by it all! He was her childhood crush after all, she literally hero worshipped the guy and they molded her so she was the perfect stepford wife who looked good on Tom’s arm. I think they took advantage of her naive and weak nature which made her suseptible (?) to the brainwashing subjected to her by the handlers. Girlfriend had her blinders on in the beginning of the romance which wore off late into the marriage and I’m glad she found the courage to pull one over on Tom and his cronies. Although it was a huge step to take now the real work begins and I’m scared for both Suri & Katie considering what that cult is capable of even though both girls have the love and support of her family. I sure hope the paps and the residents of NY look out for Katie & Suri. Remember Katie we are all behind you, I hope you get what you want out of this and stay strong! On another note Katie, her lawyers, her PR team can do damage to the cult/Tom’s image however they alone can’t bring em down (I will be surprised if they do) now Rupert Murdoch has spoken of his disapproval of the cult maybe if Katie’s team can get him on their side with his power and influence in the media he could potentially take the cult down. This could be the beginning of rehabilitating News Corp’s image considering how much their image has been tarnished. I know Rupert isn’t exactly the best person. xx
Did scientology people really come here to comment??? what the hell could they say to defend scientology?
I’m glad her father is an attorney.
I still find it curious that we don’t have any real answers to: courtship?, engagement, pregnancy, life together for 5 yrs. Good PR or NO one dares to talk for fear of Cos$? Or Tom will sue ya! We clearly saw it all exposed in fake scary pap pictures. What really happened here?