Elle Magazine hit the magazine motherlode by interviewing Katie Holmes just before she began her ballsy breakaway from Tom Cruise and the Church of Scientology. Elle usually releases their cover stories and cover shoots mid-month, but I guess they wanted to start to get Katie’s August cover out there quickly, to build on the divorce storyline. I should note – this interview did take place weeks before Katie filed for divorce, but Elle is making a big deal about Katie’s “foreshadowing” her unhappiness in her marriage, etc. Some highlights from the piece thus far:
Katie Holmes hinted at her state of mind in an interview conducted weeks before dropping her divorce bombshell, saying she was entering “a new phase” and “I know where I want to go.”
“I definitely feel much more comfortable in my own skin,” Holmes told Elle magazine when asked about being in her 30s, for an upcoming cover story. “I feel sexier. I think in my 20s, it’s like you’re trying too hard to figure everything out . . . I’m starting to come into my own. It’s like a new phase.”
Six weeks after Elle’s mid-May interview, the actress revealed her “new phase” would not include her husband and the father of daughter Suri, Tom Cruise.
Holmes further indicates an independent state of mind in the interview, which hits newsstands July 17, in response to a question about her identity as Mrs. Tom Cruise. “He has been Tom Cruise for 30 years,” she says. “I know who I am and where I am and where I want to go, so I want to focus on that.”
A source close to the magazine told us that during the interview — and accompanying shoot with fashion photographer Carter Smith — “Katie didn’t speak about Tom in a lovey-dovey way at all. She deflected the Tom questions and brought them around to herself.”
Holmes also says in the piece that being married to Cruise didn’t help her career, and that she had to work harder because of the role.
“Things are not handed to anyone,” Holmes says in excerpts exclusive to Page Six. “If anything, you work a little bit harder when you’re in such visible circumstances.”
Holmes subsequently filed for divorce June 29, reportedly catching the “Rock of Ages” star by surprise while he was filming in Iceland. Holmes also fled to her own apartment in Chelsea.
The Elle piece — which went from a good get to a hot property with the divorce news — was not pegged to any of Holmes’ films, but to her fashion line, Holmes & Yang, which she launched with friend and stylist Jeanne Yang, and is being sold at Barneys.
Yes, it does sound like she was telegraphing her intentions, and perhaps being a bit more direct within the interview than she normally is with celebrity journalists. It’s an interesting view into her mindset pre-split, as she prepared to make her getaway. I think she sounds pretty good. Brave, even. Brave enough to imagine her life without Tom, brave enough to plan for her future and her daughter’s future. I love Katie Holmes: Phase Three. Phase One was the pre-Tom time period, when she was “the Dawson’s girl” with a promising film career. Phase Two was the “Cruise Era”. And now Phase Three is Post-Tom, Post-Xenu, a single mom in the city who is hunkering down for the fight of her life. Bless her.
Speaking of the fight of her life, there’s been even more movement this morning after Bedhead covered all of the stuff that happened yesterday. Tom flew from Iceland to LA on his birthday, and it’s believed that he “hunkered down” with his team to come up with a strategy to fight Katie legally and PR-wise. We’re now seeing some push-back in the press by Team Cruise, so despite Tom’s bitchy lawyer’s statement, Team Cruise is totally playing the press. Some bullet points:
*Radar says Tom “has made getting temporary visitation of their 6-year-old daughter, Suri, his main priority, and he intends to go to court in Los Angeles and make the plea in person.” Tom contacted (allegedly) his LA divorce lawyer Dennis Wasser, who has advised Cruise to file for divorce in California, and then get a temporary court order to gain access to Suri.
*A source tells Radar: “Team Cruise has extensive documentation to prove that Los Angeles is where the case should proceed, because this is where he says they have lived. Tom is extremely disappointed that Katie filed in New York, and he feels that she is trying to cut him out of their daughter’s life. Tom won’t tolerate it and told his lawyers that if he personally needs to go to court and make a plea in front of the judge for an order allowing him to see his daughter, he will. Suri knew it was his birthday on Tuesday, and she said she had made a card for him and made him a gift, and it just tore at his heart.” So sad. Team Cruise, playing on the heartstrings.
*Eventually Tom may seek full custody of Suri, sources say: “Tom has faith in his lawyers, and the legal system. Tom is also discussing the possibility of pursuing full legal custody of Suri. Tom could make a very strong case because he raised his two adopted children, Bella, and Connor with Nicole Kidman. Tom was their main custodial parent. Tom is just at a loss as to why Katie would go to such extreme measures when she decided to file for divorce. Tom’s lawyer will also request an order that Suri return to Los Angeles as soon as possible, and that she can’t travel out of the state without each parent’s prior approval.”
*Sources (close to Cruise) claim he’s hellbent on having all of the legal stuff moved to California because “neither of the actors met the residency requirement.” Which is BS because Katie and Tom shared an apartment in NYC, and she is now a resident of NYC because she’s got a NEW apartment.
*TMZ says Tom and Katie are not in contact at all, but his people and her people are talking and fighting about Tom’s access to Suri. Tom is allegedly speaking to Suri on the phone once a day, but Team Holmes is making even phone calls very difficult. “Sources” also say that Tom isn’t talking about the divorce with Suri. They also say that Tom isn’t going to try to see his daughter immediately, because he’s got to film a movie next week. The (Cruise) sources say “things are really bitter now” between Tom and Katie and here’s the richest line ever: “He feels betrayed by her and thinks she is using Suri as a weapon.” Really, bitch? You mean THE EXACT SAME THING YOU DID TO NICOLE KIDMAN?
Photos courtesy of Elle, The Fashion Spot.
Tom sucks but he didn’t take his kids away from Nicole or use them as a weapon. A couple of high ranking officials who defected from CoS say he split everything fifty-fifty with Nicole, and then church insiders with access to his household set about turning his kids against Nicole. Of course as a parent he should have made sure his kids weren’t allowed near such negative influences.
I just don’t think he’s the cult mastermind people are making him out to be. The church has totally made him their pawn.
church insiders with access to his household set about turning his kids against Nicole
You aren’t naive enough to believe that Tom didn’t have the knowledge about what these people were doing are you? Tom let his emissaries bash Nicole while he kept his hands clean. But the plan to excise Nicole from their lives was done with his active consent and planning.
Katie has no choice to limit his access to Suri if she doesn’t want the same done to her.
No, I’m just not overestimating him. The guy is super intense, takes himself way too seriously, and tries to manipulate the shit out of how the public sees him, but in the grand scheme of things he doesn’t seem that smart or cunning and likely lets his major decisions be handled by other parties. Not absolving him from it, but felt the need to correct an error made in the original post.
Also, where did I say that Katie is doing the wrong thing by limiting Suri’s access to him?
@mln76 – blah is right to an extent. The THR article on Katie and CO$ puts the church and it’s members at the centre of all of the scheming. There is no reference to Tom manipulating. If anything, it says, he’s being manipulated as well. Another point to notice in the article is that the main cause of deflection from high ranking CO$ members is Miscavige, not “Scientology” per se. These ex-members continue to practice sci independently and/or they remain loyal to Hubbard’s teachings. The problem according to them Miscavige and his tyranny.
http://www.celebitchy.com/237932/katie_holmes_foreshadowed_her_divorce_in_elle_team_cruise_ramps_up/#comment-11682459
EDIT – The THR article link is
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-divorce-scientology-344687
I totally agree with you. Tom knew what was happening with his kids and let it happen, wanted it to happen. The few interviews I have seen him in gives me the impression of someone who is totally immersed into this cult and he truly believes it is the only way to live your life, so why wouldn’t he want his kids to live the same kind of life?
Of course they wanted to live with him after being brain washed. What he allowed to happen with his first two kids was shameful and immoral. He had no right allow that cult to alienate the mother of his children with the intent to separate mother and children as much as possible. Tom was a coward to allow that to happen.
However, I will say that just because the kids wanted to live with Tom didn’t mean they should have been allowed to. I don’t know why Nicole let that happen if it wasn’t part of the custody agreement. And even if it was, go back to court and try it get it changed.
If there was any point at which you give your all regardless of consequences, it is when your kids are being manipulated to the extent your relationship as mother and child(s) is forever strained and abnormal through nobody’s fault but delusional daddy and the powers that be behind his cult.
Yup. Agree completely.
Oh and another thing…Tom unlike John Travolta (who I truly believe is a pawn trapped by the CO$) is one of the most powerful people within the Church of Scientology…he ranks just under David Miscaviage within CO$. According to a Pulitzer Prize winning writer he used Sea Org slave labor in his home.
Tom is not a victim except of his hubris and maniacal ego.
Powerful? Please. Tom is being monitored, stalked, manipulated, and brainwashed as much as anybody in that cult, probably more so. You really think they’re going to let someone they targeted and recruited as the face of their cult for so many years have any real say or jurisdiction? Maybe Tom thinks he does but that’s not how Scientology works- they’re doing their damnedest to protect their investment. Read up on what Mike Rinder and Marty Rathbun- who were actually on the inside and dealt with him directly- have to say about the whole mess.
Some people are still very naive about the CO$ and how they work, they destroy lives and separate families, its awful what they do.
How am I naive about what the Scientology cult does and how they split up families? Of course Katie’s doing the right thing taking her kid away from him and that batshit mess.
On the other hand I don’t think he’s pure evil and by any means running the CoS show, and hold out hope he’ll be able to break free. Even though he seems way in too deep.
Yes, it is. And for those of us wondering where Shelly Miscavige is, here i the latest write up in the VV, please read.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_shelly_miscavige_disappeared.php
What else is scary? The CST base is literally in Devore basically, right off the 15 leading up to the high desert. As in when I was living at home, I regularly rode my horse from my house out to that area on the regular. If I was at home, I would totally go try to check it out by horseback. So weird, I worked across the street from the LA blue prison, live midway between LA and their Int base and can ride to CST, it’s a veritable den of crazy cult members in Socal!
@ Blah
I’m not sure I agree that he isn’t evil. Sure he is flattered and manipulated and spied on – but he also happily takes part in the abuse of Sea Org members. They literally get locked inside when he wants to run around the property because he feels like his mansion is a ‘prison’. He pays for materials on the overhaul customizations of his cars and buses and bikes and plane hangers – but not for the labor. He has never once stood up for people like Rathbun who were instrumental to his going ‘up the bridge’. He doesn’t seem to ever question where Shelly M is. He allowed his wife of 10 years to essentially be declared an SP and be alienated from her children. He had spies reporting to him about Katie and one report says that he has even put spies on Bella (for her safety – but I’m not sure this is actually true).
And he isn’t isolated like Sea Org members – forbidden from free thought, free association or free access to information.
At best he is arrogant and entitled beyond belief. At worst, he really and truly is an evil person.
Indeed, Mich. That’s the one thing that doesn’t sit well with me where Cruise and the other brainwashed “PR celebs” are concerned. I’m willing to write off the motorcycle refurbishing and other sea org labour nonsense as him being shielded and manipulated. Also, CoS has dug up enough dirt on Scobee, Rinder, and Rathbun (who have done their share of vile things in the service of CoS) to convince somebody who really wants to believe they’re lying that they can’t be trusted. But yes, at some point or other even a puppet like Tom should question why the head honcho’s wife has suspiciously disappeared for so many years.
Like Rathbun says, it’s not too late for Tom to get out, but time is passing by quickly. I still hold out hope he’ll be able to be deprogrammed.
@ Blah
It seems to cross into the territory of Hannah Arendt’s ‘banality of evil’ thesis. Oddly enough, both the supporting side and the side of the critics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banality_of_evil
@ Blah I am saying you are naive to think that Tom Cruise does not know what the CO$ is really like, he is willfully ignoring the actions of those around him because they give him what he wants, that is reaffirming that he is special, and enlightened because he follows the teachings of CO$, this strokes his ego and makes his feel superior to others. It also serves to separate him from critics of his beliefs and he has willfully encouraged his older children to be separated from their mother because she didn’t fall into line.
Irene, it’s precisely the way Cruise been pandered to, showered with gifts, given his own way, and built up to believe that he’s a mega important apostle of a pure and holy cause that’s leading me to believe that he’s more of a manipulated puppet than an evil and cunning mastermind. Scientology works by love bombing potential recruits, not by being direct with them.
If Miscavige and his henchmen had recruited him with a different tactic- without the flattery and rockstar treatment- and been completely straight up with him about what Scientology is about then I’d be inclined to agree that he’s pure evil. They didn’t seduce him by being direct and saying ‘hey can you help us make a ton of money by scamming innocent people by making them believe in a bullshit, crackpot philosophy’. Cruise is crazy enough to think he’s doing good for the world.
Cruise obviously wants to believe that Sea Org members like being taken advantage of for free labour, and that his kids prefer him over Kidman because she’s an evil “SP” as opposed to facing up that he wants to control them. It doesn’t make him blameless, but as I said in another post, a lot of Scientology crazies take a good long while to be deprogrammed because they don’t want to deal with the truth, and acknowledge what they’ve partaken in for so many years. Plus everything they’ve invested into the cult.
“At best he is arrogant and entitled beyond belief. At worst, he really and truly is an evil person.”
@Mich: THIS. ^^^
Thank you for saying it.
Sorry, Blah, but Tom Cruise is an adult, with children. It doesn’t matter if he’s being “manipulated.” It’s his job to protect his daughter from harm, and if he’s not because he’s so “manipulated” than I have no sympathy for him. Furthermore, I have no idea where one would draw the line between “manipulation” and “conscious action.” That’s a great point for philosophers and psychologists to debate, but unfortunately in this case it doesn’t matter. There are so many examples throughout history where people who have done atrocious things have claimed “manipulation,” but the reality is that adults must own their actions. Even tiny adults like Tom Cruise.
Of course he’s an adult accountable for his actions- why are you reiterating what everyone, including myself, already knows? Since you aren’t reading my posts here’s a rundown:
tl:dr- Crazy, yes. Control freak ahole- yes. Sauron- no.
Tom Cruise is responsible for what happens within his household. If these people had access to his kids and turned them against Nicole, that would make Tom liable. Especially since he micromanages everything and knows everything and everyone that is within or has access to the household.
You’re not contradicting anything I said in my post- of course he’s responsible for what happened to his kids! I’m saying that he’s not a cult mastermind and is the church’s puppet as opposed to power player who’s leading the fold.
Give me a break, Blah. He’s a grown man.
BK where in any of my responses did I ever excuse him for his actions or say he’s an innocent in the grand scheme of things? Christ, me not thinking he’s a brilliant evil mastermind, or thinking he has as much influence in the CoS as he’s likely told is NOT giving him a get out of free pass!
I so agree with you .. I was a cocktail waitress at an event when Tom and Nicole were in the bar.. some guy staaarted taking pictures.. I heard and saw him say very vicious like .. get that guy! Nicole totally panicked and kicked off her heels.. I guess cuz he did not want to appear short.. He then shook hands with the guy and tried to pretend it was his handlers and not him that took the film.. you know all shucks sorry and all that.. it made me look at his shoes and they were totally stacked… I felt very sad for Nicole and so ugh with with Tom.. After they got the film and the guy was ushered out Tom yelled at Nicole something about her shoes.. so sad and pathetic.. he is a short little sh-t.. I am 5’4″ and even with his herman munster shoes he was just a bit taller than me maybe 5′ 6″ if that .. what a jerk!! I will never forget it her face was so red and she put on flats from her bag. i will never forget that and we talked about it all night in the bar after we closed
Funny you have this anecdote. Years ago, perhaps a year after the divore, Nicole was doing an interview with Letterman or Leno; and she was asked how she was doing in the wak of the divorce, and she answered “Well, at least I can wear heels again.” The entire audience ripped with laughter. I hope Katie Holmes begins to come into her own after this.
I would have sympathy for Katie if she didn’t know all this stuff before she married him. She rode that train for all it was worth, she got a line of clothing (like when was she a designer?), exposure, movie roles that sucked…she just didn’t get what Nicole got because she is a terrible actress.
Yawn. You’ve never had a relationship where you could see things about your partner in hindsight that you couldn’t see at the time, because you were blinded by warm fuzzy feelings and wanting to believe the best about them?
Suck it up and back off TommyGirl. You’ve been played and beaten at your own game.
MAN UP Bitch.
The public and Fox are behind Katie. Hopefully she’ll come off good in this divorce. Genuine question – what sane judge would allow TC any kind of custody when his cult counts kids as ‘mini adults’ who can do exactly what adults do. EXACTLY what adults do 0_o
Yes!!!
Yes, kids should be kids and keep their innocence for as long as possible!! There are way too many ‘child adults’ in this world!!
I just read this article and it’s really scarey that she has had to go to this extreme situation to keep herself and her daughter safe. To have he parents informed every hour of her where abouts.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/katie-holmes-divorce-scientology-parents-advised-location
Catherine, that’s completely mad! I can’t even find the right adjective to describe that …. Terrifying? But smart.
Actually, that article’s just given me a really good idea.
Hopefully the Blue Steel Crew will keep Katie safe 🙂
how funny it will be when the judge makes tommygirl pay for the security to keep her safe from his own people.
Get it Katie!!!! This girl has brass balls and I can do nothing but admire the way she orchestrated getting away from TC. This just makes me want to support her in her future career more.
Couldn’t agree more.
And still judges and such in California seem to be so easily star-struck!
I hope Katie brings everything she’s got to the table, and more. I hope she uses everything she knows and owns and proves to be the death of the co$, once and for all.
I’m more than pissed right now!!! I loathe this tiny tart…who in the hell does he think he is??? What has occurred to me lately and is a little frightening, what if her legal bills drain her financially…they very easily could…could it be a plan on his part…long drawn out proceedings?! Then she couldn’t financially support Suri in the manner in which she is accustomed to. Will he be ordered to pay Katie’s legal bills? I certainly hope so. I can’t stand that smarmy little troll… will not see another. TC movie!!! Poor Nicole… sorry but I feel sorry for both of them… they were relatively young and impressionable… he was a coup or both of them but turned into a personal coup d’etat of sorts. Very sad indeed.
I so agree with you .. I was a coctail waitress at an event when Tom and Nicole were in the bar.. some guy staaarted taking pictures.. I heard and saw him say very vicious like .. get that guy! Nicole totally panicked and kicked off her heels.. I guess cuz he did not want to appear short.. He then shook hands with the guy and tried to pretend it was his handlers and not him that took the film.. you know all shucks sorry and all that.. it made me look at his shoes and they were totally stacked… I felt very sad for Nicole and so ugh with with Tom.. After they got the film and the guy was ushered out Tom yelled at Nicole something about her shoes.. so sad and pathetic.. he is a short little sh-t.. I am 5’4″ and even with his herman munster shoes he was just a bit taller than me maybe 5′ 6″ if that .. what a jerk!! I will never forget it her face was so red and she put on flats from her bag
I don’t know, SoCal seems to be full of judges who have a mindset that goes against what most of us call sane or normal. Why Does LiLo constantly get away with everything she does?
I hope Katie’s filing for divorce in NY proves beneficial in this whole sordid mess.
Just saw an update I hope is true that the divorce will be staying in New York.
Go Katie!
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/07/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-divorce-remain-new-york
LiLo constantly gets away with everything because they have to make room in jail for people who smoke pot. There are mandated minimum sentences for drug offenses but not for kidnapping and drunk driving (as far as I can find). Also, she’s rich and white. It may not even be the judges’ fault, but the prosecutors’.
http://www.ca-naacp.org/advocacy/item/35-mandatory-minimum-sentences-for-drug-offenses
The reason a judge would allow it is because of the First Amendment, they almost never interfere with a parent’s right to raise a child in whatever religion they want to. The only time you can use religion against the other parent in a custody battle or prevent them from exposing a child to a religion under CA and NY is if you can prove it has already caused the child substantial mental or physical damage that has manifested in developmental issues. It is pretty tough to prove because courts don’t want to be seen as overreaching on freedom of religion. The SCOTUS has never heard a custody case dealing with religion so there are three different reasons it can be considered with varying standards of proof.
If the judge believes she has enough evidence to allow the issue to be heard, it will be even uglier and more heartbreaking than it is now.
In some states what the “church” does would be more than enough because their requirement is a high risk of mental or physical harm. The lower burden of proof and Scientology’s comparatively low influence in NY are two reasons she filed there. She has clearly thought this out and her dad is a divorce lawyer I am sure she has been gathering evidence to ensure Co$ is brought into it.
(The US needs to do what Germany did and declare it a cult and outlaw it. How much more do people need to hear?)
He’s such a little effing pisser. Seriously. Yeah, he raised two kids on his own and he may file for full custody of Suri?? So much fail in that statement. Go audit yourself you fukking freak.
So true. I wish there was more coverage of that. I almost feel like he got a ‘free pass’ on that. It’s so rare (at least in NY where I am) that children go with the father but to have NO contact with the mom? That’s pretty much unheard of unless there was some circumstance to warrant that. Poor Nicole. But yes, exactly!
Nicole has said that they were old enough to decide who they went with – is that really how it works? Wouldn’t there be shared custody typically? Comment above says there was? Maybe this will be Nicole’s chance to get her story out there without being the one to do so.
p.s. not loving that cover look for Katie.
When they first split and the kids were younger, they did split custody and the children were often photographed with Nicole, went on vacations with her, etc. But as they got older and spent more time being home-schooled by Tom’s sister and got more entrenched in CO$, “they” wanted to spend more time in LA and “they” stopped wanting to visit her. While she did (as presumably does still) have partial custody, what is she going to do? Strong-arm a teenager into a car with her and force him to spend time with her? Even her legal recourse would have been limited after the kids reached a certain age, when most family court judges take the child’s opinions into account when deciding custody arrangements.
I agree- I think the fact that, somehow, Bella and Connor ended up almost completely estranged from their mother reflects very poorly on Tom. How could a judge grant him sole custody knowing that means, in Tom’s world, Suri will basically be mentally and physically estranged from Katie. I didn’t care for Katie’s first two phases but I love her now!
Ahhhh, there is my favorite picture of Cruise. Looking like a friggin’ sociopath.
And then this….
“He feels betrayed by her and thinks she is using Suri as a weapon.” Really, bitch? You mean THE EXACT SAME THING YOU DID TO NICOLE KIDMAN?…”
I know! Right!
He is p*ssed cause Katie caught him off guard.
And no one is going to see him as sane person.
Ever.
It will be very difficult for the people around Cruise to speak “truth to power” so I imagine that his side will implode. Imagine Dennis Wasser, his lawyer, saying to him: “Listen, your are perceived as a scientologist nutjob – you will never get sole custody; that worked once under very different circumstances – work this out quickly and quietly in private – YOU ALREADY LOST”.
No siree – they will fight; the lawyers will get rich and the tabloids will be center stage as TMZ/Radar Online and The NYPost all play key roles (and are on Team Katie big time already).
Geez, I may as well hire someone to do the chores around here until this is over. Tearing my self away until later, discipline must be maintained. 🙂
This story has sucked all the air out the gossip world like a vaccum. Depp could walk down the street with a pregnant Amber Heard and no one would notice.
Mr. Cruise is powerful and rich, so he should not be discounted. But, he is claiming he raised his two other children. Didn’t they live with his sister while she brainwashed, opps, home schooled them, in the COS ways? Katie knows this, so he should be careful about bragging about how well his other children are doing. And since he is going back to work instead of fighting for his daughter in person, that might also look a little less than appealing to a judge.
I am so thankful I got my computer back yesterday! New hard drive, way more RAM, I was living during the gossip event of the decade on mobile devices.
It was torture. I suppose now all my time will be sucked into the gossip vortex now.
I am concerned that she won’t meet residency. She is supposed to have lived there FT for at least one year.
I hope her lawyers can argue that she is a NY resident. I bet she still have her CA driver’s license, how long have the bills been going into NY in her name?
Tiny angry midget and his goons will fight long and hard. I said it would get dirty on the first post of the saga and it is…
@jenny “This story has sucked all the air out the gossip world like a vaccum. Depp could walk down the street with a pregnant Amber Heard and no one would notice” +1 LOL
@anon: LOL
It’s true that TC’s people will advise him on how NUTS the general public believes he is and direct him to behind the scenes negotiations with Katie to be done as quietly and prudently as possible. BUT I’d bet TC will want to fight – he’s not used to not getting his way – and I’m not too sure how all this will go down in a court of law. It will take concrete evidence that TC is indeed a crazy and that the CoS is made up of evil crazies for a judge to keep Suri from her dad. It’s going to be interesting. I for one am on Team Katie and would like nothing more than to see TC and the Cos finally get what’s coming and be exposed.
totally agree. kidman/cruise divorce was before the age of the internet and the online gossip sites and before he jumped on a couch and the scientology recruiting tape was leaked and he devolved into a pot of crazy. we are dealing with a very different tom cruise this time.
The people have spoken & no one is on your side tommy boy! Are you punching a couch @ the moment??? Lolz!!
He needs to be lying on one in a pyschiatrist’s office….he’s a nutcase!
Oh, but don’t forget psychiatry is a pseudoscience that should be outlawed, according to Tom. His e-meter readings are bound to be off the charts!
Omg, that photo of Tom kills me every time.
And speaking of photos, that Elle cover smacks of 1985. Love it. She must have been so excited by her impending escape that she couldn’t help but hint at it.
I just want to wipe off that fake smile from his face. I can’t stand this guy. Team Katie.
A spoon full of sugar won’t make his own medicine go down. Payback’s a bitch.
Even leaving aside the cult crap (of which there is plenty!) full custody is far more likely to go to Katie. As I understand it Craz..I mean Cruise is filming movies almost non-stop these days. (Highest paid actor last year and still coming across as desperate, so weird) So basically the child could be with her mother full time -or with a bunch of nannies, handlers, and Cruise’s sisters. That works in Katie’s favor as much as anything!
Exactly! I think Tom’s two older children were raised by his sister(s) and/or mom.
I hope Katie’s team is keeping with all this info on the Internet.
Tom going for full custody? LOL he must be crazy and dumb too.
I’d love if Nicole teamed up with Katie. If only she’d be brave enough to come out and tell everything that went on, it’d be huge and a great help.. but that’s Nicole we’re talking about. duh.
I have a funny feeling Nicole has already helped Katie out – by getting Nic’s good friend Rupert Murdoch to weigh in via Twitter. Murdoch is one of the few I can think of with the financial resources to withstand the Co$ strategy of intimdation and EXPENSIVE litigation.
I think Murdoch is probably one of the few who will fight as dirty as CO$ if threatened by them, too …
Double post
Someone said earlier they tried to recruit Murdoch’s son.
I guess he’s a guy with a grudge, probably fueled by what Nicole told him.
The Co$ problem is that they have way too many people with grudges against them.
Nicole Kidman is doing the exact same thing Katie’s parents have been doing the past five years: Staying neutral and within reach so her children will (be allowed to) maintain contact with her. If they ever decide they want out, you bet that she will be there to help them and fight for them.
It’s sad to me that people recognise and admire what Katie’s parents have done while calling Nicole Kidman a coward. The more she ‘fights for her kids’ the harder she will drive them into the arms of the cult. The neutral waiting approach is what cult deprogramming specialists recommend. It just hasn’t paid off yet – and it might never. But I can still see how from her point of view it’s the best thing to do.
Tommy is pissed! Can you feel it? Things are not going his way and it’s getting obvious. His lawyer just wants to absorb as much of a paycheck as humanly posssible so of course he’ll go along with Tom wanting to fight. Plus, everyone is crowing about the fact that Tom Cruise is filing in CA and how he has everything to prove that this case should proceed in CA but I cannot remember the last time I saw a pic of Katie and Suri in L.A. They’ve lived in NYC for at least a year haven’t they? Plus, wasn’t Katie living in New York before she met Tom?
Also, as Katie has proven, she is not stupid. I doubt she would have filed in NY unless she seriously felt she qualified as a resident. I get the feeling a lot of information is going to come out in court proceedings that will not paint Tommy girl in a pretty light. I think Tommy’s desire to take control of a situation will be his undoing because the more he does the more information Katie can release publicly and the fact that the public is pretty much team Katie tells me that the more he fights her the more the public will turn against him.
P.S. Is it just.me or does Katie look like Tiffany Amber Thiessen in Saved by the Bell in that photo?
I kind of see it, I think she looks good here..
And Tommy-girl is being a little bitch, there is no way he would ever get full custody without proving Katie is an unfit mother, and that’s not going to happen.
The only thing Cruise’s comments are doing for me is ensuring that I will never see another movie TC stars in, cause all I can see is crazy..
nicole and cruise did have shared custody, it was in a statement their lawyers made after the divorce was settled
would see if i can find the link
do people forget that a year or two after the divorce the kids mostly spent time with nicole???? even when he was dating penelope cruz , nicole still used to be pictured with the kids
its only when katie holmes came into the picture that i think the kids spent less time with nicole
No, it happened as Tom Cruise let the COS completely brainwash his children against their mother.
From what I remember it was slightly before that. Rumors came out that Nicole did not get to see them so much.
Now we know why she did all those “photo-op” moments with Suri in NY over the last year or two. She has photographic evidence to show that she’s been residing in NY and Tom has been on set after set.
She’s made of sterner stuff than I realized.
Absolutely. She must have been planning this for quite a while.
I was also thinking her foray onto Broadway now may not have been merely coincidence.
TEAM HOLMES
I believe that for years the more main-stream media has been banned from going after Tom due to the threat of legal action from CO$. His crazy has always been treated with kid gloves.
But now I think the media is going to attack him with glee, using Katie as their shield. This will be epic.
+1
Katie could help take the church down.
Murdoch did kind of declare it open season on Co$ with that tweet, didn’t he? 🙂
I’m not sure she’s going to be able to file in New York. The law states:
Two years of continuous residency in New York by one spouse;
One year of continuous residency in New York by one spouse, if the couple got married in New York or if they lived in New York at any time as married persons;
One year of continuous residency in New York by one spouse, if the grounds for divorce occurred in New York; or
Both spouses are New York residents (it doesn’t matter how long) and the grounds for divorce occurred in New York.
I haven’t seen that length of residency, in NY, during their marriage.
I just realized something. Even if the divorce happens in CA, all Katie has to do is pull a Halle and say she will be living in NY full time. If what TMZ said about custody in those types of cases are true, they will have to basically assume that Katie will live in NY and decide whether Suri should move to NY with Katie. Then jurisdiction will be moved back to NY on the custody case.
Katie lived in New York before they married. I remember the first interview I read w her was in tr April or May of 05 issue Of InStyle magazine, and she talked about her life there. She had an apartment and called herself a NY girl at heart. Maybe she always kept her residency there????
@LeeLoo …
The difference here may be that Tom and Katie are married, Halle and Gabriel aren’t. Halle’s premise is that the press makes a semi-normal and safe life for Nahla impossible here in the States. Although the majority of Katie’s fans may feel little Suri is in some kind of danger, Halle actually has a video tape and legal documentation.
There is also that incident when Nahla was one or two months old and a photographer actually broke onto Halle’s property to get photos. Halle won her case against the photographer, because it was easy to see by the photos in Tabloids, and the layout of her property and house, that he could have only gotten the pictures he took of Halle, her mother, and Nahla in the backyard by breaking onto her property.
It probably depends upon whether or not Katie has legally documented proof against the Church of Scientology to support a permanent move to NYC in order to keep Suri safe from the Church … and Tom?
this is the old article about tom and nicole custody agreement
according to the lawyers they finally agreed on joint custody
http://articles.latimes.com/2001/nov/15/local/me-4365
I think it’s commonly known that they had joint custody and then the children were brainwashed against Nicole (a supressive person) by the cult. I think that is Katie’s fear–that Tom will get joint custody and then in five years, suddenly Suri wants to stay in LA all the time, doesn’t want to go back to NY, starts calling her “Katie” and Tom’s new girlfriend “Mom”, etc etc.
Kaiser, you called him a bitch! LOVE IT.
+ 1 Love it, too!
I really don’t think NK was bothered about her older children not being around. Some of her comments and lack there of over the years regarding them has been straight up cold.
Tom has his issues, but NK isn’t getting my sympathy.
I agree. And let me be clear. I adore Nicole. She’s my favorite actress past Meryl Streep. And I think she’s beautiful and a sweet soul. I don’t care for inane Katie but root her on for protecting her child from Scientology. Tom is a good person whose narcissistic side has been seduced by a cult and I doubt he will ever get out unless he falls for a woman like Nicole again who had an influence on him. But he seems too high up in it now to see reason.
But Nicole had half custody and shared it for years, as she discussed in interviews. She seemed to stay depressed. Her children should have fulfilled her in those early years; yet, she said she disappeared into roles. As the kids got older, she seemed to work all the time and gave up. Tom’s home had his mom, sister with her kids and upbeat Tom. In other words, home. Nicole’s home was just depressed Nicole. Ccuple that with the influence of Scientology as they got older and then her move to Tennesse, the estrangement seemed permanent. As a mother she chose Keith. Keith is a musician. They shoukd have created a permanent home in California to be a mother. In teens your life is your friends. You’re not leaving them for Tennessee. I still live Nicole, but wonder would she have fought harder to have a relationship if they were her biological children?
Those kids were completely brainwashed by COS against Nicole. They were surrounded by Cruise and his family-who are all Scientologists. No way she could fight against the cult-and they were a lot more powerful then too. Several high ranking members have since defected (and are apparently advising Katie Holmes’ dad).
By the time Keith came into the picture tho’ – how many years ago was that? It seemed like she hadn’t had contact with them for awhile. She seemed so sad about it – the little bit she’d said.
You sound like you know a lot about her but that doesn’t sound entirely plausible… I believe the COS had a lot to do with it too. Or else I’ve just read too many articles.
Well, I think if someone “put a gun on your head” and said that if you said a word or even if you dared to fight with them, they would either hurt you or your children or other reliatives, you’d stay quiet and I think that’s exactly what happened with Nicole.
Also I believe, there won’t be any major fighting, as it could destroy co$ even further and Tommy’s twin brother, David will not allow that, not a chance. He’s just too greedy…
And I think that this is what Katie has finially figured out. This fight is not about Tom and Katie, it’s about Katie and co$…Tommygirl is just a tool in this battle.
Some of you do not know about what CO$ is really like. I don’t blame Nicole at all. My family lived through this and it is every bit as bad as what you read.
Trust me, it was NOT Nicole’s fault. Her kids HAD to turn against her or they would be declared SP as well.
THIS, so much.
I’m sorry you had to live through that.
Of course, any side against CO$ is the side I’m on, and I do think that what he did to Kidman is inexcusable (Lainey said it best, Kidman was in completely different situation)…
but I refuse to treat Holmes as a hero: she was 26 yr old (Kidman was 23!!!) when she married him-she didn’t know how to google?? It’s HW and I just can’t believe she was blindsided: she brought a child in that situation and I just can’t comprehend that.
Cruise is Suri’s dad (I think he’s a good dad, all the sci-fi stuff aside), and I do think child should keep in contact with both parents;why punish Suri for her father’s sins? Yes, he did the same to Nicole, but in those situations children suffer most-and retaliation is not the best way to deal in those situations. I hope she gets sole legal custody, but I also hope that Suri will see her dad enough.
I feel sorry for Kidman.
I feel sorry for all of Tom’s children…but I don’t feel sorry for Katie-she knew what she was getting into.
ETA:Oh, Katie and I have the same haircut..hahahaha, and mine is just a few days old. Did Kaiser write this? Where is the complimentary “I hate bangs/bangs are evil” part of the article? 😉
those are really good points. I mean Tom should have wanted Nicole to have contact with the children and however that split happened (the suppressive person ‘influence’ or whatever) it wasn’t right. Nicole seemed really heartbroken by it. I can understand also why Katie wouldn’t want to be dealing with him – once you’re over it, it seems like you’d be really over it especially, yes, the Tom of today. Nicole really seemed to be ready to go the distance with him and he treated her horribly from all accounts. It’s true Katie should have known but it sounds like there was a part of her that was like ‘OMG. Tom Cruise likes ME!’ Maybe that’s what her reference to her 20s is partly about. Oh and I agree that the girl should get to experience both her parents. That’s important if it’s possible. But then again just read comments about how Suri might be ‘brainwashed’ against Katie and can totally understand that concern too. Geez.
Totally agree. I’ve been feeling like Holmes is now being treated like a hero. She was a grown up when she got into this relationship and as someone else posted, she could have done some research on his religion — the internet was alive and kicking when they first got together and she had the means to hire a P.I. for background info. Then again, I’m already tired of this Katie stuff. She was bland before, bland during, still bland now.
Dont forget she let this man named their daughter Suri Xenu (you know it was his idea), and still decided to marry him.
Whoever is helping Katie (I bet her father) knows what to do.
The timing is perfect, Tom can’t be around because of his schedule, the place NY, the pr campaign. I imagine they’ve been working on this for months. And she is taugh, much more taugh and smart than I used to think. GO GIRL!
With all his money, he couldn’t get decent veneers? His teeth look so bad.
With all his money, he couldn’t get decent veneers? He fixed his teeth once, but damn. Those front two look horrible.
ew can you imagine the epic eye roll that will be him ‘personally pleading to a judge’?
Imagine if the judge has the cheek to be glib! Tom will be forced to tell him that he needs to ‘put his manners back in’.
And then the judge will say “You can’t handle the truth!”
I can totally imagine him treating the situation as that movie.
The lawyer will probably write a script for him so he can learn his lines and everything.
I dont really feel this vehement “Team Katie” thing. Seems like they should have shared custody if what Katie really wants is for Suri to have both parents. I dont see why we should applaud the fact that she is trying to keep Tom from Suri, his daughter. And for those who think its fair since Tom did that to Nicole – 1, we dont know for a fact that Nicole even wanted custody of the kids and 2, those children are separate from Suri who should still have enough time with dad.
Also, the whole lawyer’s “bitchy comment” wasn’t really all that bitchy, it’s just reality these days in Hollywood that a lawyer also has to adopt a bit of a publicist role if that’s what it takes to get the case rolling.
The coverage here has been so anti-Tom, I think the glee is misplaced unfortunately because the general public still likes Tom Cruise the movie star, or at least has that image.
Good for Katie for having the courage to decide on what she wants, no one should stay in a marriage that they don’t want, but I’m not so blindly Team Katie. After all, she was a grown woman when she married Tom and had a child with him. If she thought Tom was ill-suited to be a parent (since she could judge from his other two kids), then it was irresponsible on her part to have Suri. I don’t have the hate-on for Tom just because he’s short or is a Scientologist. That’s his flaw or body part that like the rest of us, he would like to change and makes an effort to cover (and what’s wrong with that? Do we say a woman is pathetic or crazy for wearing heels to elongate her legs, or wearing spanx to control her figure and pretending she’s always like that? Who doesn’t try to cover one’s flaws?) and that’s his religion. Katie knew he was a Scientologist before she married him. Until I see evidence he abused Suri or let her be harmed, I won’t judge a parent for raising their kid by their religion. I don’t see anyone condemning others for making their kids pray or teaching them about creationism or fasting etc.
Completely agree.
Sorry, but Scientology is not a religion- it’s a very frightening cult. No bones about it. Watch the South Park episode “trapped in the closet” for a surprisingly accurate and non sensationalist rundown as to how it works. Scientology is so evil and fucked Parker and Stone didn’t even need to satirize anything and played it straight.
What separates Scientology from religion is that the racket/scam aspect is integral to it, where a Christian or whoever can practice their faith without the scam. A few Scientologists are spearheading a reform that doesn’t involve the scam aspect, but they’re not nearly enough for Scientology to truly be defined as a faith as opposed to pyramid scheme. Until you can be a Scientologist without having to shell over exorbitant fees, it’s a cult, and people have every right to criticize its followers.
I agree. Katie is trying to keep Suri out of the COS clutches. If Tom were a mentally stable individual, maybe she would be willing to share custody but clearly that is not the case. She is protecting her daughter from COS and a “father” who would be more than willing to subject a 5 year old to who knows what kind of inhumane treatment by the COS.
One of the best posts of the day. It’s a f*cking cult in every sense of the word. And started by a greedy, deluded lunatic. TC’s credibility will suffer, trust me. Big time.
Mia, it’s not a religion. It’s a conartist duping people out of their savings to take courses. It has become criminal under Miscavige since he took over.
I would fight them being raise in that cult-like organization. But beyond that Tom will and should be a big part of her life. From the phrasing in certain statements, I infer that Katie understands Suri will be exposed to Scientology. That’s not what she’s fighting. She’s just fighting that Suri won’t be educated and raised as a scientologist.
PS I don’t have as much of a hate on for Tom as others bc I know Scientology targets high profile people to be their unofficial PR agents and gives them rockstar treatment that shields them from the crap that lay folk who get sucked into their scheme have to deal with.
Blah, Jayna, DSS, thanks for the insight. Really appreciate it was given politely. I don’t know enough about Scientology to really make the call, it always sounded like a strict religion to me, it seemed to blur the lines of cult/religion but I have my own thoughts on how we differentiate a cult from organized religion so it’s probably influencing that.
I def agree that if Scientology or Tom will damage Suri psychologically or emotionally then Katie should present her evidence and get her case. Otherwise, I still don’t jump on this gleeful “get that scientolgist midget” bandwagon. At time of marriage and now, at divorce, Katie was and is a grown woman with her own money and advisors. Tom’s had a long career of good roles and hits. He’ll be fine, and I can’t rag on him for trying to be part of his daughters life.
Actually what I said about being sympathetic to celeb Scientologists isn’t fair to other “laymen” Scientologists who get sucked in because a good many of them are drawn in by family members, or targeted when they are vulnerable. I.e. struggling with drug addiction, or deaths of loved ones. If anything, celebrities shouldn’t be so easily duped and should be filled in by handlers or publicists that they’re being courted in such a shady way.
I don’t hate Tom. He’s batshit, but I don’t think he’s evil. Likely he was crazy before CoS got their claws into him, and now it’s being used for evil.
Just know that it’s difficult to Scientologists to break free because they’ve invested so much in the cult. Money, time, family, friendship bonds, etc. Paul Haggis defected but he’s publicly said that he’s felt a “gap” since.
L Ron Hubbard was a raving lunatic:
“I’d like to start a religion. That’s where the money is.” – L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949
MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY.” – L. Ron Hubbard
“Scientology is the only specific (cure) for radiation (atomic bomb) burns.” – L. Ron Hubbard
“This is the correct procedure: Spot who is attacking us. Start investigating them promptly for felonies or worse using our own professionals, not outside agencies. Double curve our reply by saying we welcome an investigation of them. Start feeding lurid, blood sex crime actual evidence on the attackers to the press. Make it rough, rough on attackers all the way.” – L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 25 February 1966
http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/quotes-by-and-about-hubbard.htm
http://www.exscientologykids.com is an incredible website with testimonies from people who grew up in scientology.
How would Katie know all this stuff? When you are in, you are basically forbidden from reading anything not approved by scientology?
I don’t necessarily think TC is a bad dad, but I do think his intense involvement with scientology is clouding his judgment when it comes to raising a child.
Personally, I wouldn’t want this cult anywhere near my family, let alone my kids.
Considering how ignorant you seemingly are about Scientology, it’s a bit rich to condemn someone else for being ignorant about it too.
Scientology is not comparable to any legitimate religion. I find it unbelievable that anyone could even try to compare auditing, sec checking, slave labor, fair game, and disconnection to something like fasting.
Emily I’m not sure if you are responding to me in the first paragraph, but I think me as a normal member of the general public not knowing about Scientology hardly seems comparable to Katie. If I was about to marry someone, I think I would have done some research into his religion first. It doesn’t matter that I don’t know about Scientology as a cult since its not my or my kids life being affected – but it sure is affecting Katie an Suri. That was her responsibility.
I have never cared about Katie Holmes more than I do right now. I’m impressed!
“Tom is also discussing the possibility of pursuing full legal custody of Suri. Tom could make a very strong case because he raised his two adopted children, Bella, and Connor with Nicole Kidman.”
As a lawyer who has seen more than a fair share of family battles, this would probably backfire. Team Katie could parade witness after witness testifying to those kids’ alienation from Nicole. I really don’t think the example of his two older kids would help. I mean, is Tommy going to insist that Suri call his next wife Mommy?
Also, I hope Team Katie does an extensive background check on whatever judge they end up in front of – to make sure he or she has NO ties to Co$. Paranoid? Sure. Sensible? Absolutely.
I don’t believe that statement. Just as many untruths are being put on gossip sites as truths. Even Katie has disavowed one report put out there. Tom has many movies lined up. He understands he would never get full custody and won’t ask for it. He didn’t ask for it with Nicole. They shared the children for many years before they lived with Tom permanently.
“Tom could make a very strong case because he raised his two adopted children, Bella, and Connor with Nicole Kidman.””
This statement is beyond ridiculous as it says more about Kidman’s role as a mother, or lack thereof, than it says Cruise is a superior father. The fact he became primary custodian of children from another woman does not in any way show he is a better parent than Holmes or better able to raise their child than Holmes.
I just came to say that this divorce is the BEST thing that could have happened to our Summer Gossip… Is Gossip Manna
she married him 4 the money
Go Katie!! Tom needs to just leave her and Suri alone. He’s a sick brainwashed man.
If reports are to be believed, I just don’t understand though how her lawyer father could allow her to sign a prenup which gives her NOTHING. It just doesn’t make sense. I remember reports saying that her dad was fighting for her to be treated fairly. I don’t get it.
“Tom is just at a loss as to why Katie would go to such extreme measures…”
Oh REAAALLY…?? He’s full of CRAP he knows full well why the “extreme measures” were taken and if he’s not careful we’ll all know.
CA may support fathers rights but Katie would have to be a crackhead with three strikes to lose custody around here.
I’ll just call it now:
Joint Custody PRIMARY to the Mother. She won’t need spousal since a percentage of his 75K a yr income will cover all the child support she’ll need.
YOU GO GIRL!
Please Xenu, let Katie respond “Tom knows why”!
lol, I was just thinking that.
It’s a classic abuser tactic: make the woman feel like she’s overreacted to the whole thing and make her question herself… “It’s just in your head, honey!”
I love how he’s supposedly hellbent on getting Suri back to LA as soon as possible yet is leaving LA before the week is out to continue working in another state.
IIRC the project is moving to somewhere in the Rockies to finish filming. He’ll be leaving her alone with creepy, brainwashing $cienos again. Guess it’ll be up to Grandma, Aunt, Brother and Sister to start turning Suri against Mommy. Maybe they’ll start calling Katie/Mommy a sociopath and other nasty adjectives like what the Scienos did to Bella and Connor about Nicole back during their daily sessions at the Celebrity Center.
This is about absolute control and him not having it, probably for the first time in 20-30 years, and doing whatever he can to regain it as soon as possible.
They’ll want it handled in CA because it will be in LA. They can get to the judges in LA. (prob have a few Co$’s on the bench) If, I hope not, but if it does get moved to CA then I hope her lawyers will be smart enough to get it moved from LA County to Marin or Kern or somewhere remote.
Pursuant to the CA Family Code jurisdiction requirements, a party must have resided for at least 3 months in the county where the action is filed. If the case stays in CA, it stays in LA.
That sucks. NY then.
I know I posted this somewhere else on site, but I’ll just reiterate (and say a small prayer): If the trial is in L.A., Team Katie should do a deep background check on the judge. No question in my mind Co$ will be central to the custody issue, and if the judge is Co$, it’s grounds to have the judge recuse him or herself from hearing the case. Under the circumstances, if a judge refused to do so, it would probably be grounds for interlocutory appeal (immediate appeal, as opposed to waiting until after the trial is over).
Wherever the trial is held, I really hope the judge considers SURI first. Religion should never be placed above a child’s welfare, particularly when said religion could very realistically harm the child.
I hope Nicole Kidman has to go to court and testifies for Katie. Maybe she can tell the court something about Tom’s craycray behaviour and his CoS obsession.. DO IT NICOLE!
I guess Nicole wants to stay the hell out of this divorce. She has two kids to worry about. I pray for her older kids to come back to her and leave CO$ and Crazy Tom for good.
She isn’t going to do it. Katie had her kids calling her mom. No love lost. Nicole did a couple of interviews last year and said nice things about her marriage to Tom and said he did a wonderful job raising the kids these last years when she moved. She seems to be in a good place and reflects fondly regarding him. She isn’t going to let herself be dragged into their divorce mess. She has her own life. Plus, Tom is her children’s father and they love their dad. She has contact with her children somewhat. She isn’t going to risk alienating them even more. No matter what, she won’t turn on him.
Nicole Kidman is not going to be insinuated into this divorce action. She will fight tooth and nail to not be pulled back into the vortex of everlasting sh-t this co$ mess is.
Again. Katie asked for sole LEGAL and primary physical custody. Sole legal custody would provide her with the authority to make decisions about Suri’s religious upbringing. Primary physical means Tom would not be cut out of Suri’s life.
With respect to “Tom has a great argument for full custody because he raised his 2 other kids”==that’s ridiculous. From a gossipy point of view I just think of the pictures of a miserable Bella trailing behind Katie and Suri looking like their personal sherpa. From a legal point of view, it is hardly a “strong argument.” From what we know there is no reason believe that Katie is an unfit mother thus at a minimum she would receive joint physical.
BTW, I have a client who is Catholic and his ex-wife is Wiccan. They have joint legal custody but the court imposed restrictions on the Wiccan practices to which the kids can be exposed.
I’ll check in later–I’ve got a pre-nup to finish. 🙂
+1!! And, if anything, the fact that Tom has had the kids calling Katie mom could work against him, demonstrating tendency toward parental alienation.
Now, go get that pre-nup done!! 🙂
Hannah F, I love your comments–I have so many questions I want to ask you about family law regulations! I wish you could just do your own personal Q&A here on C/B!
These divorce seems like a business thing. He movie flopped while married. Has another coming so divorce to generate buzz.
All your base are belong to us.
If Tom succeeds in cutting Katie out of Suri’s life like he did Nicole, I hope he can kiss his career goodby. I hope no one in America would pay to watch him in anything ever again.
Tom’s career (other then the MI series) is all but over anyway. He doesn’t really have a fan base anymore, except for a few dillusionals that don’t see him for the narcissitic creep he is and still remember him from Top Gun or such. Ugh!
He won’t get Suri because the scrutiny of the general public and because of how everything went down with Nicole (and let’s not forget beard #1 Mimi Rogers). There are good lawyers out there that even the Co$ won’t intimidate. It will be an epic battle though.
Ok so we all know that Tommygirl is staying or being kept in the closet (God knows why) but why are there women who think they are going to be the one to change a guy. I mean are there women out there that are so naive that they hear all these stories of guys like Tommy and JT and would really sell themselves that short for what little (particulary in Tommy’s case) they get out of it. No amount of money or fame could compensate for the misery and embarrasment being with one of these dudes. Ever.
It’s not over enough to suit me. He’s going to be making that Jack Reacher movie, of course it’s his money behind it. Hopefully, since he is so miscast in it that it will bomb bigtime. Unfortunately he has so much money he can keep paying for movies to cast himself in even if they bomb, rather like Jennifer Aniston has done for the last decade. It’s her money going down the drain, but hey! she’s in the movies.
I keep remembering when Tom was overseas somewhere and paid all these kids $200 a piece to scream for him when he got off a plane. When reporters asked who they were waiting for they didn’t even know who he was. Now that’s the definition of PATHETIC!
and yet he’s the highest paid actor?
About being the highest-paid actor: I think Cruise is absolutely professional on set. He shows up on time and puts everything into the job. In the latest Mission Impossible, he did some stunts that were extremely dangerous and physically demanding. He doesn’t do drugs or drink and he gives the director everything they want and more.
BUT. He’s not a box office draw. I think when Cruise is in a good movie, like Mission Impossible whatever number it was, people will still see the movie. But he can’t salvage a movie people wouldn’t want to see anyway, like Rock of Ages, which was not a success. I just don’t think stars matter all that much any longer, for good or ill — most moviegoers want to see good/fun movies, regardless of who’s in them.
I see Scientology people have arrived here. Because who else would defend Cruise and trash Nicole.
People seem to think I’m defending Cruise when all I’m saying is that he’s a crazed, brainwashed, and rather thick puppet as opposed to evil mastermind. Maybe he doesn’t deserve my sympathy but I feel bad for anyone in that cultish mess. Even dipshit Tommy Davis.
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You have made it so clear that you have no respect for Scientology! I don’t see you as defending Cruise as much as trying to rationalize him. You certainly haven’t painted him as an innocent.
Isn’t Tommy Davis also MIA? I don’t think anyone has seen him since last year.
I remember hearing Davis got in a ton of sh-t after that whole BBC expose and not being able to handle John Sweeney, and that Scientology basically made him their fall guy. Weird how I feel bad for Tommy considering he stalked, harassed, and verbally abused John Sweeney. Seeing how his whole family’s in the cult, and likely his whole social circle, the guy is probably f–ked and has no support system.
Honestly I don’t think anyone’s safe. Regardless what sh-tty things Tom, Kirstie, and the rest of those nutters have done, nobody deserves to be faced with the threat of potentially “disappearing” from the face of the earth.
poor mr oblivion it isn’t fun being on the other end is it? jerk. Go Katie!
What are his pr people thinking… and letting his lawyer or instructing him to make such statements
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He’s seemingly doing more damage to his public persona. Dolt
Holy photoshop batman!
Also, team Katie.
Nicole Kidman may have been subjected to Tom’s intimidation and tactics but she is not blameless in the situation. In order for someone to have leverage over an other they have to have reasons for it. While, I am sure there are many juicy tidbits that Nicole could share regarding their marriage, there is clearly something that could be shared about her that is equally as damaging to her. That is why she has kept quiet all this time. Katie likely does not have the skeletons in her closet that Nicole did, therefore, CoSign is not in the same position to strong arm her as they did Nicole.
THANK YOU! Finally a voice of reason in all this GO Katie-hoepla. No one is innocent and the all-round good guy in situations like this…
The girl clearly wasn’t happy with her marriage and decided to get out but she was a full-grown woman and went through with the marriage, despite many people warning her about Tom and also his ties to COS. I can understand being overwhelmed but it still not excuses everything.
If this is what she wants, good for her but she’s not an innocent lamb. And this is the same woman who everyone criticized for years, calling her a bad mother for letting Suri run amok etc. And now all is swept under the rug (See post about taking Suri out for ice-cream in the evening)? Tché.
Amen. As much as I will always be Team Katie she did get herself into this mess. how you could worship that man is beyond me but I am sure his millions were a factor, too. Her parents knew about Co$ and so did she. And if she didn’t she could have educated herself but chose him anyway. I would have been suspicious as hell after all the Kidman stories but, oh well, people like to say that love makes blind. I hope she proves she has learned from her mistakes because her family is paying for it as well. Let’s hope she comes out of this as a winner.
It doesn’t matter if she has skeletons in the closet or not – if they haven’t heard anything juicy enough, they’d make shit up. And even Nicole Kidman does have ‘skeletons’, she didn’t deserve what she got.
What’s really keeping Nicole Kidman in line is that they have her kids solidly under the cult influence. If she makes the slightest indication that Co$ is a bad thing, she will be declared SP and the kids will be forced to disconnect from her. She is following the neutral-waiting-within-reach approach that is often recommended by cult deprogramming specialists. It allows her to maintain a line of contact with her kids, gently encourage them to think for themselves, and if they ever change their mind, she can be there for them.
This is in fact the exact same thing Katie’s parents have been doing for the past few years.
Earth to Tom! You do not have a space alien in you! and if you do…your spaceship needs to come get the whole damn bunch of you scientologists.Ya goofball.
From what I read she isn’t trying to keep Tom from Suri. She asked for sole LEGAL custody and joint physical custody. She wants to keep Scientology out of Suri’s life, not Tom.
His lawyers and PR people really need to sit down and shut the F*** up. His attitude isn’t going to win him any public sympathy. In fact the more I hear from his team the more I root for Katie!
If he had any sense at all he would not fight her on legal custody. His “church” would suffer and they in turn will make him suffer.
I don’t care how much he thinks himself a Supreme Sci. If it will hurt Sci or David …Then David will have no problems casting Tiny Tom down a rabbit hole…I mean, just look what happened to his wife!
This is what it seems like to me, that Katie wants to keep $cientology out of Suri’s life, and not necessarily Tom. Though we don’t really know, I’m wondering if Katie hopes that Tom will begin to question $cientology in being forced to consider what is best for his daughter.
Its sad that Katie will have to spend the rest of her life watching her back from both Tom and the Church. Since Miscavige’s wife “disappeared” a few years ago and no one has really went after them I think they all think they could get away with hurting Katie. Either they will hurt her or someone close to her.
I really fear for Katie. Everyone says that he wouldn’t dare hurt her but he doesn’t have to do the deed himself. Remember HenryII and Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury? Henry said, “Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?” And just like that Becket turned up dead. Henry didn’t do it, some underling did it for him and Henry could not be blamed.
Unfortunately I can see something like that arranged for Tom while Tom was iron clad alibied and could not be blamed for the “unsanctioned acts of some lunatic.”
I’m sure Katie can imagine it too and I feel sorry for the fear she will live with for a very long time.
I’ll be honest, that does worry me as well. I think if something were to go down this would be the likeliest scenario. I think they would claiim a “loose cannon” member of Scientology did the deed. You’d have the higher ups claiming nothing like this was ever sanctioned and the same with Tom Cruise. Said assassin would probably commit suicide shortly after. He’d never even stand trial.
But I think Co$ would have to be pretty stupid to even try it because it would seriously bring the cult under more scrutiny from not only the media but law enforcement. I really do believe Katie has tied their hands. I also believe she has the truth on her side.
I do hope you’re right. It would be a stupid move on their part. But then I read all the stupid stuff they do to people, and I can’t help but say a little prayer for her safety. In fact, I hope she has a whole lot of people praying for her.
I don’t know if pointing to Nicole’s kids is a good strategy for Tom. It just underscores the point that scientology turns kids against their parents. And he raised his kids to call their mother “Nicole” and the latest wife be hired “mom”? That’s really messed up. The problem is, Tom doesn’t see how messed up that is because he’s too deep into the cult. Unless they have a scientologist judge (and who knows, maybe they do), I don’t see how that argument will fly in court. It will only hurt him.
I’d like to see Tom fight this just so Katie’s lawyers can depose David Miscavige and other scientologist to get all the dirt on them that they can.
Remember when they sued National Enquirer or some rag for saying Katie took drugs? I said back then that they will settle very quickly before any discovery can be conducted, because they couldn’t risk Katie begin deposed and releasing all kinds of dirt on scientology. Sure enough, they did exactly that.
I think Kaite learned her lesson from that experience. Scientology will not allow their important people to be deposed — there is too much dirt that could be revealed. David M. is supposedly Tom’s best friend — what if he got deposed and was asked where his wife is?
They’re bluffing. And I’m sure Katie’s lawyers know it.
The Co$ has been known to twist itself into knots in the past to avoid even the slightest possibility of David Miscavige being deposed. This is the man who not only is the head of Scientology, but who is Tom’s best friend and who went on Katie and Tom’s honeymoon with them. Katie’s lawyers can easily make an argument for deposing him. David Miscavige will tell Tom to do anything and everything to stop that from happening.
I’m hoping this whole divorce blows the organization to shit. Ex Scientologists say that the church is using scare and intimidation tactics developed during the 50’s that aren’t prepared for the internet or social media. But yes, the church has done a pretty decent job shielding Miscavige and keeping him as low profile as they can.
Because the church turfs whoever isn’t useful to them anymore, I’m wondering if they’ll break free from Tom for not “handling” Katie better. Maybe without him as their mouthpiece the whole mess will implode.
None of those events you just named will ever happen. These are not ordinary people you can just serve with a notice and they’ll just show up and dump out all their criminal activities. In fact, nobody does that, evil or no. This is a divorce case between 2 people and it will not involve the Cult Leader.
I hope Katie reads the web sites and knows that public opinion is 100% behind her! I never really cared for her when she was with Tiny Tom because it looked like she was putting her personal ambitions ahead of everything else. Now she is acting like a real Mom! Go, Katie!
I hope all the famous ex-Scientologists help her out. Collectively they must have a hell of a lot of info to share with her legal team.
I am so grateful that Katie’s parents hung in there and waited for her schoolgirl crush stage to blow over. I can only imagine what it has been like for them for the last few years. Now they have hope of getting their daughter and grand-daughter back!
As I questioned in an earlier post her father must have been love bombed by cruise also since according to People, he gave an over-the-top effusive toast at their wedding about how awesome tiny tom is. So how could a seasoned attorney be blinded by this stupidity is beyond me.
exactly! do you think it was sincere, I wonder?
OK so I just read the most recent TMZ story and I have to say a huge “BITCH PLEASE” to Tom Cruise’s sources (*cough*sister*cough*)is claiming Katie was all about $cientology. I can pick apart and find at least 2 arguments with that story.
1)What the hell would Tom have done if she didn’t show anything less than enthusiasm for Scietolology? Of course, she was outwardly showing enthusiasm for Scientology because she didn’t want Tom freaking out and thinking she was a suppressive person. See: Shelly Miscavige.
2)Um she enrolled Suri in a Catholic preschool. Um…how oblivious do you think we are? Just because you didn’t realize that Katie hated Scientology doesn’t mean that the rest of us are stupid and can’t see that she has been trying to pull away for awhile.
Am I the only one who really REALLY hopes that Katie dumped Tom’s @$$ for Chris Kline and then we find out that Suri was in fact Chris’ kid all along? I would love Tom to be served with that type of karmatic retribution.
I think it is becoming glaringly obvious that Tom’s side is trying to feed us bullshit and Katie has the truth on her side. She may not be spilling every detail but I think everything that has legitmately come out from her camp is closer to the truth.
Yep, just read that story. What a joke. Especially funny is that the “source” wouldn’t tell TMZ what the reason was…yet. Yet? These people are fools. What are they going to do, run some different stories by focus groups and see which one makes them jump out of their seats and scream “Yaaay! Team Tommy!” Sorry, tools, not gonna happen. I’m sure Katie left for a combination of many reasons, including Scientology. Good enough for me. Team Katie all the way!
I’ve never believed that Suri was Tom’s child but I bet Katie takes that secret to the grave. I don’t think she would dare bring that out. Tom is so hung up on having the world think he is this virile young stud that if that secret broke he would flip completely out and Katie would suffer from the fall out.
If she has to tell the courts I bet it is buried forever.
See, I wonder about that. I do wonder if he is talking a lot and huffing and puffing but if he even really wants Suri. I think this may go Katie’s way and he will eventually quietly settle and never see her. If that is the case, I will 100% believe Suri is not his.
I kind of think he paid a bazillion bucks to a genius doctor who extracted that one single living sperm TommyGirl had in him for an in vitro procedure. Or he told Katie that is what they would do and then took a donor’s sperm with or without telling her. A nice pure Co$ donor of course, like an OT 5 at least.
It will probably always be a mystery. But do you really think he doesn’t want Suri? I think he has this fantasy about taking a newborn and raising it from birth the Sci-bot way and see if it turns into this super-person. He insisted on that no talking during the birth nonsense and I think he sees her as his little guinea pig. He isn’t going to want to give up that fantasy.
Guys, you are seriously killing my fantasy.
I want her to get back with Chris Kline. Chris says something like “I’m sorry I was such a lush during our relationship.” Katie forgives him and Katie explains that Suri was never Tom’s but in fact Chris’. Chris helps Katie fight the demontroll Tom and Katie gets full custody and Suri is raised by her biological parents. They all live happily ever after.
It’s a total fantasy, I know. But let me dream sometimes.
@LeeLoo – but EW! Chris has always looked like a weiner to me. So gross!
That is besides the point. I think there is a chance Suri may be his. I’m not going to go all conspiracy theory about it. But I think there is a chance Katie was already pregnant when she hooked up with Tom.
Wow, even if she was at one point all about Scientology, a person is allowed to have a change of heart. Is that the best team Cruise can do?
Slightly OT: I had posted somewhere about Ted Casablanca and Perez Hilton, and how I hate their practice of outing people. Well, this just in… Ted’s leaving E!
http://www.eonline.com/news/the_awful_truth/thank_you/327003
Apparently his readers will miss him. I doubt most celebs will, though.
For those that think Nicole wasn’t pushed out of her kids’ life by Tom… it’s quite obvious they were. She did initially see them after the divorce, but even those occasions were very rare. I think the last time Conner and Isabella were seen with Nicole was at her wedding to Keith Urban. At least that’s the last time I remember seeing them with her. When she’s been asked about them in interviews, she always sounds very vague and obviously is trying to get away from the subject. It’s obvious she has almost little to no contact with them. And it obviously wasn’t her choice. Why do you think that is?
So no wonder Katie knows she needs to put a fight. I’m just worried Tom will find a Scientology judge or that the whole trial is going to be presided by Scientologists.
All right guys: here comes his spin-“it’s not about Scientology-Katie was a devout member too-she’s just trying to hurt Tom”
http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/05/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-divorce-not-over-scientology/
Really-this is the best they can come up with???!!
Go Katie!
Go up and see my post on it. But I am totally not surprised TMZ decided to go Team Tom since Radar is 100% Team Katie.
Also: Who wants to bet a freetini that their “source” is Tom’s sister Cass Mapother? Isn’t she the one who became his publicist for awhile and is as much of a $cientology nut as her brother is?
I thought that was his sister Lee Ann Devette? She HATED Nicole from what I’ve read (and the feeling was mutual).
Yes, you are right. Tom has too many sisters.
IMO, the Scientolo Boogeymen stories are just a smokescreen for hiding the true reason Tommygirl and Stepford Katie are divorcing. Think the contract thing and what is going on now with JT. Ask JT, whose career is probably kaput, what scandal would he rather have right now? The church of scifi is the scapegoat here that Tom is willingly sacrificing. He is not dumb or brainwashed, just a little crazy. No, I am not a member, do not care one way or the other about the xenu. It’s OK as all parties will win in the end. We are talking about Tom as never before and even making Katie a hero when nobody cared before. Stepford Katie who can’t even get an acting job, dresses her child in high heels and we wouldn’t know who she was without Cruise. As for Nicole, that icequeen made it seem in interviews she considered Sunday Rose her FIRST child even though she had two adopted already. Rumers are these women stay with Tom until they are done with him and become famous and he is OK with that and goes along. Why would that be? Let me say again, this is IMO only, but my eyes are rolling when I read these stories about scifi men in black hiding in Katie’s bushes and my instincts of BS have to give this stuff the side eye. I think Tom is a good actor and father despite the crazy religion. If his older kids denounce him, I will change my mind, but not until then. But this stuff, all PR, but entertaining and at it’s best.
What you are saying may very well be true. But the Scientology angle is way more fun and intriguing. Plus, this cult has needed to be out under scrutiny for awhile.
Btw: How are the stats today?
I feel afraid for her. Though she got in first good blow, it was a sucker punch. Once Co$ recovers from the surprise, they’re going to bring the full weight of their litigation and personality smear tactics to bear, and that’s what they live for.
I defer to Hannah, but I am licensed in 6 states, just not NY! No surprise that you can’t file in concurrent jurisdictions in domestic cases. And I wouldn’t be so dubious about proofs of residence-they owned property or leased living space for over a year, recieve mail at that address, etc. Residency isn’t defined as domicile.
So did Tiny Tart (thanks @EnuffSaid – this is my favorite name) get his mom and sister involved in Co$? That must be one very weak family that they can all be lead around like sheep. They sound like a bunch of idiots. I bet those two women would never so much as dare question the tiny tart on anything, no matter how small or they would be cut out completely. Doesn’t sound like true “family” to me. I have a sister like that, you can’t question her motives or criticize in any way or you are out 100%. I am on the outs now and happy to be there monitoring my every word to this person just to maintain a friendship was exhausting anyway and I never really respected her to begin with since she is a weak person.
I cannot get enough info. I am living vicariously through her. I wished I had her strength when I left a controlling abusive mate. I love how she orchestrated the whole scene. I have a new respect for her that I NEVER HAD WHEN SHE CHANTED over and over that her life and Tom was AMAZING AND MAGICAL
it was strange and almost tragical to hear her describe her relationship with him
BTW I have never subscribed to Cruise being the biological Father of Suri
Thank god I am not the only one that is obsessed with this, I can’t get enough!
I despise Katie and her fake, pretentious life. But if she and her dad succeed in squashing Tiny Ton into the concrete and exposing CO$, I’ll grudgingly give her props. But I’ll expect her and her no-style self to disappear shortly thereafter.
lainey over at LaineyGossip has been posting some very interesting articles this week and this snippet from one today caught my eye:-
‘I’m told that he’s being advised, strongly, by his Scientology supporters, to “give her hell”. Those voices are, unfortunately, louder than the ones coming from Hollywood. My sources tell me his agents, the studios, they’ve all very subtly suggested to him that he needs to keep it dignified, and as quiet and civilised as possible. They are trying to assure him that he can let her go and bounce back from this, no problem. That they will help him. That they are confident it can be done. It’s a matter of whose counsel he chooses now.’
So, which will he choose? His career or his ‘church’?
I do think that Suri is not Tom’s daughter and I think it will come out. But more in a –
TOM WAS BLINDSIDED! SURI ISNT HIS BABY! KATIE LIED TO HIM! EVIL LADY! sort of way instead of the truth which seems to be more along the lines of
TOM KIDNAPPED AND ARTIFICIALLY INSEMINATED KATIE WITH DEAD SCIENTOLOGY JIZZ!
and frankly, that sucks. because its one of the few things that could turn the tide against her. i am almost afraid to say it because i dont want to give them ideas.
but if it does come out, his whole god like virility will go to hell as will his whole CO$ gets people to be “clear” and “free”. because really? katie was audited for years and didnt spill the beans on suri’s dad? obviously auditing is bunk.
and yes i am blowing holes in my theory that it will come out because i want the CO$ trolls to know this isnt a good idea.
+1. You could not have said this better.
+2 – I think Tommy Davis is Suri’s father. The resemblance is uncanny. And where has Tommy Davis gone? Another “disappeared” to the slave camp.
Also, for everyone posting that Katie knew what she was getting into etc, please take a minute to think back.
When she fell for Tom, he had god like status in Hollywood.
He was the golden boy, adored by millions.
The truth about Scientology hadnt come out. Too many people were too scared to talk.
Its very easy to hear from the person you are in love with that their ex was/is a bad person. “Nicole Kidman is a selfish and bad mother. Thats why she abandoned her two children. The kids love and need YOU, Kate.”
Katie did not have an active role in destroying the kids relationship with their mother- it looks like she simply tried to be the best step mom she could without understanding the details of the situation.
Katie was “love bombed” – she went from dating tom, to pregnant and engaged so rapidly. She didnt have time to truly stop and think. Hindsight is 20/20. Lets all please have some understanding.
This is how emotionally abusive relationships work. Everything is perfect at first, and slowly they exert domination and control over your life. Her falling for Tom does not make her weak.
Her involvement with the CO$ makes sense. She loved this man, and he couldnt speak highly enough about his religion. Why wouldnt she want to learn about it?
And people, THINK! She figured out that Tom was controlling and awful and that the CO$ is evil. She left both and she did so covertly and with great planning. Dont you think that her feeling the need for this level of planning makes the case for what kind of relationship it was? Its textbook how to leave an abusive relationship.
Anyways- GO KATIE! I am so proud of you!
most of this makes sense but even my Bangladeshi granny neighbor knew about TommyGirl’s cult when he met Katie. If you meet a guy you are nuts about and he actually wants to date you, let alone marry you, wouldn’t you google his “religion”? She must have had at least a few people pointing out stuff to her about it. My guess is she read about the bad stuff and didn’t want to really believe it and asked him about it. He told her it was all lies and she accepted that as the truth because she wanted to accept it. There is also no way that she never read about Kidman being absolutely stunned to hear about Tom filing for divorce. Just that would have turned me off. She wanted to believe him and be Mrs Cruise. I don’t think any man will ever fool her into fooling herself again once she has come out on the other side of this battle.
your neighbour is a wise woman. I went to a Mind Body Spirit festival recently and CoS had a booth. It was packed with people doing “analysis”. I wanted to shake them and tell them to get out of there.
Excellent point, excellent. I hope the right people see it completely that way, because it speaks for itself, doesn’t it. I pray for a wise judge who awards her sole legal custody. He is scary, Tom Cruise, scary.
She’s lucky her dad is a lawyer, he deserves most of the credit. The sad thing is the many men and women stuck in controlling relationships who don’t have that kind of resource to help them get away with their kids.
@Viv- I agree with many of your points. I do think that its very easy to get swept up in a relationship, and to turn a blind eye and heart to things that arent quite right.
I also think that being with “Tom Cruise” was very appealing, and his allure, charm and star power made anything that she heard seem uncredible and a much less substantial worry than it warranted.
People refuse to believe the most horrible things about their heroes, or people they know so refusing to accept odd “eccentricities” seems easily par for the course.
I too knew about the evils of Scientology back then, but mostly because there are members of my family who are life long members. They are and always have been “off”, most of which I blame on their indoctrination and the numerous courses they have gone to for personality adjustments.
There truly wasnt tons of information around back then and the level of fear and intimidation surrounding the cult was intense. I remember reading about it online and being scared to comment because they would somehow find me. And I am just some random non-member.
I keep coming back to how dominated and controlled she seemed. He even changed her name! Its classic abusive behavior and it sucks. Regardless of whether she wanted to be Mrs Cruise or not, I cant imagine she had the slightest clue the hell she was in for.
Scientology ruins lives and families. Tom Cruise is the number 2 or 3 guy. He might have been a victim at some point, but now he is a willing perpetrator, brain washed or not. Evil.
Run Katie, RUN!!!
So sorry to hear about your family. It really is intimidating but it’s awesome how we are part of destroying that power through gossipping.
For once my gossip obsession is paying off! 🙂
Team Katie & Suri all the way! Katie has a fabulous PR team around her. She’ll bring CoS down single-handedly. Cruise’s image is shattered beyond repair. His only option is to denounce all things CoS. The second torpedo is if Travolta does the same. That perception of Katie being a good mum and protecting Suri is PR gold. Cruise can’t say or do anything to counteract it.
I don’t know if this has already ben shared but it looks like their are some new details on how Katie got out of th home she shared with Tom and into her new place. I’m so glad she made it out of there!
Here it is:
http://laineygossip.com/Articles/Details/23973/What-drove-Katie-Holmes-away-from-Tom-Cruise-and-Scientology
If he smears KH, it hurts him and the church. Would they really be that stupid? Bc everyone has seen what a hands on mom she is. Everyone has seen how depression and SOMETHING has brow beaten her.
I agree w above posters in that she was a c/d movie star, and then this a-lister says he loves her? Who wouldn’t be swept away, especially if you’re preggers, and he says he’ll give you and the baby the world (if Suri isn’t his – he had to know)
I’ve been here – a guy swept me off my feet right at the end of an engagement. Pulled me out of my depression w his manic ways. Then decided I needed a make over. He started by changing my clothes – he bought it all for me. He made suggestions about my hair, and I trusted him. Eventually he too wanted me to change my friends and even church. He isolated me from my family – I wasn’t allowed to be alone w my parents. It took me years to untangle myself and leave – your self worth is so tied up w him. I eventually was accepted to an out of state fellowship program, and my friends there began to de program me.
Good job! Its a hard road, but you are doing it!! Good for you!
OK I’m officially convinced that Rupe’s put the memo out to all his media outlets and told them “Go after Tommygirl’s crazy arse”.
Because his Australian online news arm is going HARD on the scandal and he’s Team Katie all the way. I have NEVER seen gossip reporting of this magnitude in a mainstream publication.
And as for Katie? I have her strategy ALL FIGURED OUT!
She worked out a couple of years ago that she had to escape but, knowing what a bunch of homicidal maniacs the goons at Co$ were like, she decides to be very smart about it.
She sets up base in NY so she can file for divorce from there. Then she goes about getting papped as much as possible, makeup free, frumpy and depressed looking (remember those HIDEOUS tan suede booties? GONE!).
She files. The news EXPLODES across the world. She gets papped only days later, she’s wearing floral print espadrilles and laughing as she hangs out in an ice-cream parlour with her daughter. The message? Tom and the evil Church made me and my daughter downtrodden and depressed but look at how happy we are now we are free!
I LOVE this girl. As Lainey said today, this dimpled, softly spoken Mama Bear is gonna go down in history as the woman who singlehandedly brought down the evil cult that is Co$. Go Katie!
So true – and throughout her relationship with Tom, Katie’s never put a foot wrong. She’s been the dutiful girlfriend/wife/mother and has always made him look good. Until something happened. I don’t know what it was and won’t even venture a guess as there’s so much she could have wised up to: i.e. Miscavige’s wife’s disappearance, Co$ interference with Suri’s education, the horrific treatment Co$ “slaves” have to endure, or some kind of juvenile auditing they wanted to do with Suri, whatever…Co$ IS at the root of this divorce. If Rupert Murdoch wants to save his reputation, he’ll work with Katie and maybe even Nicole to take on the war with Co$. They must be brought down.
This!!!! As isaid, I was w a OCD control freak, and you have to basically play a chess game to leave. I moved out of state
Bravo, kudos to you because that’s a huge emotional and physical undertaking!
That THR article said Murdoch has declared CO$ fair game. All News ltd reporters can write what they like. It’s on.
The background is this: In 1999, when Tommy was still with Nicole, he was sent by CO$ to groom Lachlan and James Packer, being among the wealthiest Australian families and huge cash cows. (Not to mention the idea of having a media empire at your disposal was probably irresistible them). At that stage they were socialising together and Tommy kept dropping into conversation about how awesomesauce Xenu was.
Lachlan didn’t get sucked in, but James and Jodhi did. There’s speculation that Rupert had an intervention set up for Lachlan if he drank the kool-aid but L denies it saying he was never interested in joining (read: dumb enough to fall for it) at all.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tom-cruise-katie-holmes-divorce-scientology-344687?page=4
I think Australians in general are not overly fond of Cruise. Nicole is their biggest star and I remember that after that divorce, they grumbled a lot about him.
HA! OMG! I never thought of that! Brilliant!! and sooo true!
AWESOME! I swear this should be made into a horror/drama movie when allll the garbage comes out!
Katie’s proving to be a DAMN good actress! at least in real life!
gonna go down in history as the woman who singlehandedly brought down the evil cult that is Co$
If only.
Look, this can, and hopefully will, do a lot of damage in terms of PR and public support. Recruitment will hopefully dwindle further. Defection rates will hopefully rise further.
But there are a LOT of people so deep inside that cult that they literally feel they have NOTHING to lose. It’s their entire life, they have been brainwashed into believing that the ‘wog world’ is hostile to them and that they’ll die in a gutter if they blow. They believe that they are saving the world.
The cult is on a downward slide and has been for about 20 years. The internet age really started the slide, Anonymous added soap to the slope and increased its momentum. With any luck this will give it a good shove along the way. But the cult’s complete downfall? I’ll bet it takes another twenty years.
20 years…or the arrest and successful prosecution of David Miscavige.
“he personally needs to go to court and make a plea in front of the judge for an order allowing him to see his daughter, he will.”
??? If he cares so damn much about Suri, why not just go to court IN PERSON and fight for her? This guy has no time in his calendar (or his ego) for anyone else! How is Suri supposed to be in the best of care trolloping around the world, shuffled from one nanny to the next (prob 2-3 at a time), away from kiddies to play with???
Tom is in a difficult position here. He is making a movie, that he has signed a contract to be in, his stepping away from the production schedule costs hundreds of thousands of dollars a day. And could even leave him in violation of his contract if he doesn’t show up. Not saying that Suri is less important to him but he really is in a bind.
I’m not making excuses for him at all. I’m making this point more to show the beauty of Katie’s planning and timing (she knew his hands would be tied) than to take up for Tom.
Of course Tom has enough money that he could have chucked it all and come blasting back here to take care of business. What’s a few hundred thousand to him? If my child’s future was on the line that’s sure what I would do. But I imagine he thinks it will all be handled to his satisfaction soon. I would so love to witness the tantrums he is going to be throwing when all DOESN’T go his way, the way it did when he rid himself of Nicole and controlled every aspect of things. Karma can be so sweet sometimes.
Good point Jaxx, she knows his contractual obligations will make it hard for him to stop filming to appear in court. But if he doesn’t show up personally, he plays into her hands when she says he’s always away on location and never makes time for his daughter. She’s a clever little bunny.
ohhh me too! me too!
I wonder why this divorce debacle gets ALL of US rowled up so much!?!? ….I’m reading the comments and they’re very well written, thoughtful, discussing strategy!?
For me, it’s the sheer arrogance, cock attitude, hyper ADHD that gets me!
Fight between ‘Good’ and “Cocky A***hole; that keeps me tuned it…oh and the spooky Scientology angle.
Don’t you all think a Horror movie about the truth/unveiling of Scientology be AMAZing??
That last pic of Tom rivals Nicholson in The Shining! LOL
“Suri knew it was his birthday on Tuesday, and she said she had made a card for him and made him a gift, and it just tore at his heart.”
Rme. Give me a f–king break. Most of the public is not going to fall for this.
Especially because Katie isn’t trying to keep Suri away from Tom. She’s asking for joint physical custody. But Katie does want sole legal custody, to keep the Co$’s paws off Suri. I think the public understands this pretty well by now, and that’s one of the reasons Tom’s entitled whining is backfiring.
She’s a smart cookie. That legal vs physical will make it very hard to paint her as a baddy, while it also points the finger right at CoS
I don’t feel sorry for him at all. I am so glad for her that she is getting away from him. DOn’t really care about either of them though.
Viv and several others bring up a good point about tommygirl not being the father. I do agree that him swapping out his sperm for someone else’s (tommy davis probably), sounds like something they would do. I do not think Katie would know about it, I think she believes he is the father, unfortunately. The question is does it work in Katie’s or tommygirl’s favor? I mean if he isn’t the father than katie is free and clear to raise her daughter on her own? Tommy davis and tommygirl look very similar so even though I agree suri looks exactly like tommy davis and katie combined, the two tommy’s look so much alike who can really tell.
I so agree with you .. I was a coctail waitress at an event when Tom and Nicole were in the bar.. some guy staaarted taking pictures.. I heard and saw him say very vicious like .. get that guy! Nicole totally panicked and kicked off her heels.. I guess cuz he did not want to appear short.. He then shook hands with the guy and tried to pretend it was his handlers and not him that took the film.. you know all shucks sorry and all that.. it made me look at his shoes and they were totally stacked… I felt very sad for Nicole and so ugh with with Tom.. After they got the film and the guy was ushered out Tom yelled at Nicole something about her shoes.. so sad and pathetic.. he is a short little sh-t.. I am 5’4″ and even with his herman munster shoes he was just a bit taller than me maybe 5′ 6″ if that .. what a jerk!! I will never forget it her face was so red and she put on flats from her bag
@TG: Check out his cousin, William Mapother, the actor from Lost. He’s the most likely candidate for sperm donation.
I always thought TC was her father, because she looks like him. But, (as someone said the other day here), Mimi spilled the beans that he was infertile years ago. So, if that’s true, it makes sense that he’d use a family donor who has the same dominant physical traits – the big nose and down turned eyes etc. It paid off too, she looks like a Mapother.
@Jo: Your story was v funny. Could totally picture the whole scene. Classic Napoleon Complex!
@Sarahtonin It’s a great theory but I think that would hinge on whether William is actually a Scientologist. I know he has evaded that question for a very long time.
Okay, I just read the latest update from “Team Cruise”. If he continues with this retardedness I will refute everything I said about him being crazy instead of evil.
Christ, Tom. Your cult is in shambles. Public opinion of you is at an all-time low. Give Katie everything she wants AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.
@blah I like reading your posts you are very pragmatic.
I think in the end Tom will have no choice but to give Katie everything she wants from a legal standpoint. However, I don’t think that will stop him from trying to tear her apart in the media.
Maybe they should change the name of the movie he’s currently filming “To Oblivion and Beyond”.
Wow! Talk about crucifying a guy based on media sensationalism, tabloid gossip, personal dislike and speculation. Does anyone on this thread have any factual inside information regarding this couple and why they are divorcing? Probably not!
No but womanly intuition sends red flags up with Tom and feels sorry for Katie. The fact we have much in the way of personal info about these two makes it easier to surmise what is going on.
Stay strong, Blonde. Keep those stats up!
@ Blonde- all you need is to read the truth about Scientology.
@moxie Leave @blonde alone. He or she has probably got paid $0.60 an hour by Sea Org to do this and he or she is probably trying to keep themselves out of that dreadful Rehabilitation (slave) camp Co$ has.
I’m a Scientologist now? That’s your comeback? An insult? So you are judging this guy because of womanly intuition and personal information? Where did you get your “personal” information. Tabloids? Everyone is assuming it’s TC fault simply because he is a member of Cos. I think the guy is probably pretty intense and controlling but unless I have facts and truth I dont think it’s fair to play judge and jury. How do we know KH hasnt met some other guy and thinks he’s amazing now?
@Blonde If you are looking for facts and truth then don’t troll a gossip comment board. I mean seriously, this is all speculation, we all know this is speculation. We are commenting on stories discussed. Most of us know these stories need to be taken with a grain of salt. If you want people to not speculate or be ridiculous don’t read gossip.
I’ve been mulling over why she would suddenly decide to get it together and run and it’s dawned on me that Suri is not exactly normal. You see Shiloh and Gwen’s son who are both around her age walking on their own and usually happy and sometimes with friends, but you never see that with Suri. She just doesn’t look like a happy child, and I realize a lot of that is probably due to the paparazzi, but I think it’s something else too.
Could it be she has an issue Katie wants a professional to take a look at, but since Tom is anti-psychiatry/psychology, won’t allow it?
Obviously I have too much time on my hands! But it’s everywhere in the media right now and I keep trying to figure out what would have caused her to finally see the light.
Hmmm. You COULD be on to something. But I tend to chalk that up to her overindulging parent(s). But I would not be surprised if Katie would send her to a therapist if/when she gets legal custody of Suri to sort this out. Suri may have issues but I think it has more to do with her exposure to an emotionally abusive household/influence of Scientology/father’s influence than anything else. That’s not to say that I think Katie is the perfect parent or a saint in this. I think she has done much to spoil Suri as well. But to me, Suri seems to be the victim of growing up in an unstable household where she is allowed to sort of run wild. I think Katie may invest in a psychologist to make sure she is okay but I think that with some extra socialization, boundaries and a good education, she will be fine.
Yeah, the impression I’ve gotten is Tom doesn’t set any boundaries for her. I have no idea what Katie’s true parenting style would be like without him hovering around, but since Scientology has that anti-discipline stance (or something like that), all of the freedom might be ruining Suri. I’m no expert on kids, but I do think they need a regular schedule in order to thrive.
The fact that she doesn’t appear to go to school is kind of odd. Yeah, the Jolie-Pitt kids have home tutors, but they also have each other so there’s plenty of socializing there. Suri has no one her age to play with (at least from what we see).
The worst part of this is Katie will be under the spotlight for a long time now and the paps will be even more intense, which will frighten Suri even more. What a life for a kid. She can’t even go for ice cream without someone getting in her face. That just isn’t right or normal!
oh poor Tommykins, looks like you pushed the wrong Katie-cat. lol 😀
yeah baaby!
HOLY COW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This website about Scientology (written by ex Sceintologist) is AMAZING!!!
http://askthescientologist.blogspot.com/
I stumbled across this yesterday when I did some research on Scientology trolling (so much more interesting than the research I was SUPPOSED to be doing!). Thanks for the reminder, I’m still in procrastination mode and you have just helped me do it productively for the next few hours:-)