Welcome to Sunday morning’s wrap-up of all things Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes. Fortunately, there wasn’t a huge news dump on Friday or Saturday, although there are these new photos of Katie entering and exiting her New York lawyer’s office. Sources (“sources”) told the tabloids that Katie was seen crying and looking kind of sad and rough on Thursday while she was out with Suri… this would have been two days before these photos were taken. According to Us Weekly, Katie was out to lunch with Suri and some friends but Katie had to take a phone call on her cell. Sources say Katie seemed “flustered and upset” and she was seen wiping away tears. Then, on Friday and Saturday, Katie was spotted at her lawyer’s office (the photos in this post):
Katie Holmes paid a visit Friday to the high-powered New York law firm representing her in the divorce from Tom Cruise.
Casually dressed in white jeans and a yellow top, the actress, 33, arrived with four bodyguards in a Mercedes with black-tinted windows about 11:30 a.m. at the midtown Manhattan building housing the offices of Aronson, Mayefsky and Sloan. Daughter Suri, 6, was not with her, observers say.
PEOPLE has learned that for the past few days, lawyers for Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes have been working to negotiate an agreement between the two stars to avoid a brutal public divorce battle. “Neither one of them wants this to be hashed out in public,” says a source.
Holmes’s visit comes after Cruise attorney Bert Fields spoke out to the BBC about the possible next steps for the 50-year-old superstar.
“Tactically we can’t say where Tom will file a divorce case and if he’ll be seeking joint custody of Suri,” said Fields.
The divorce case involves legal heavyweights on both coasts.
Holmes’s attorneys Allan Mayefsky and his partner Michael Mosberg work for the firm that represented Peter Cook in his bitter 2008 divorce from Christie Brinkley. Their co-counsel, Jonathan Wolfe of Skoloff & Wolfe in Livingston, N.J., has handled the divorces of football star Braylon Edwards and NHL player Martin Brodeur.
Fields is a longtime Cruise business lawyer in Los Angeles with a host of celebrity clients. The actor’s lead divorce lawyer, Dennis Wasser, is another prominent Hollywood attorney who represented Cruise in his divorce from Nicole Kidman.
Yes, there has been movement as far Tom’s potential divorce filing in California. Radar claimed last week that Tom wouldn’t be able to file any divorce paperwork in CA because Katie had already gotten the ball rolling in New York. TMZ reports that Tom and his team now know that they’re going to have to “fight” Katie on her own turf, in NY, and TMZ makes it sound like Tom and Katie are now trying to negotiate this thing quietly:
Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes have called a temporary truce while their lawyers try to negotiate a full divorce settlement … TMZ has learned.
Sources very familiar with the situation tell us … there are NO immediate plans for either side to go to court. There will be no court hearing Monday, Tuesday or in the foreseeable future, unless the negotiations fall apart.
Sources tell us the lawyers are negotiating child custody, visitation, child support and a property settlement.
We’re also told the whole settlement could be ratified in New York if all goes well. In other words, there may not be a move by Tom’s camp to transfer the case to California, where judges are more likely to award joint custody.
One source described the emotional state of the negotiations as “calm.”
People Magazine had a more sympathetic version of this (sympathetic to Tom) too – their sources claim Tom “doesn’t want his family dragged through the mud… They both love their daughter.” One of People Mag’s sources also says that Tom could be open to Katie having primary custody of Suri but “any agreement would have to include generous visitation for Cruise.” The source says, “There’s no world where Tom won’t be seeing Suri.” UGH!! While I think it’s good that Katie and Tom (and their lawyers) are discussing everything like adults, I would like to see Katie stay strong on custody. Sure, Tom has a right to see Suri (I do believe that) – but that right should come with court-ordered restrictions about Suri’s potential CoS education (no go) and Suri’s potential time with Scientologists. Is there a way to do make that kind of agreement? Because there’s still a very real possibility/probability that Tom could still brainwash Suri even if he only has limited access to her.
People Magazine also spoke to an LA family law attorney named Steve Mindel who says, “I’m sure Tom Cruise’s attorneys are doing all they can behind the scenes to negotiate with Katie’s side to calm the situation. Ultimately, neither side would want a messy public case to avoid bringing emotional harm to their daughter. Don’t be surprised if Katie quietly retracts her divorce filing and they eventually agree to an amicable divorce and settlement.” See… I don’t think Katie would mind a messy custody dispute. As we keep saying, she’s got nothing to lose. This is her fight, and I hope she doesn’t get talked into negotiating away her upper hand.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet and WENN.
Stay strong Katie! Don’t let this freak manipulate Suri, like he did with Connor and Isabella.
Marriage to Tom Cruise? Cruise to disaster.
Interesting read on the Cult:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170232/Scientology-Pinching-purification-finding-The-Bridge-Total-Freedom-My-sinister-induction-Scientology-HQ–just-days-ago-July-4.html?ICO=most_read_module
and this
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170027/Scientology-Karen-la-Carriere-wife-Church-president-Herber-Jentzsch-allowed-sons-body-morgue.html
Must be hard to live in fear the rest of your life – there will always be a possibilty he talks Suri into Scientology – and of course she will hang out with “friends” of him.
While i do hope she gets primary custody of Suri, I really hope she doesn’t settle and then sign a confidentiality agreement. I really want her to break the silence and shine a light on the abuses within Scientology.
I don’t understand why this “church” gets away with what they do. Just reading about David Miscavage’s missing wife is enough to make me cringe.
She may be railroaded into this and there may be no choice.
However, nothing gets done to $cientology until there is a federal action charged against it anyway. The attention the divorce is getting may spur the US Government (please!) to finally bring formal federal charges against the Cult. The Cult will not be tried in this divorce case; it’s just a divorce at the end of the day.
I will be so disappointed with Katie if she does not expose CO$. The ball is totally in her court. CO$ wants this to go away quietly and have clearly instructed Tom Cruise to make it happen.
If Katie lets CO$ get away with this tactic it would be very selfish. She has helped to recruit how many women into this cult? To then extricate herself without exposing them for what they are, therefore letting how many women fall into this trap is unacceptable.
I’m also interested to see if she continues to reject Bella and Connor – I read that she fired Bella from her company. I understand in a way because I’m sure they would spy on her but how unfair to them. How sad for them to now lose two moms.
Well first off… “yea! Katie purchased some new suede booties”! 🙂
And I am not convinced that her Lawyers are negotiating with anyone.
I smell a CO$ planted story. “Look at how civil Cruise is being! All he wants is to settle this quietly”….
I will believe this story when Katie’s PR team says so. But I do hope things can stay calm for her. And she gets her divorce without CO$ loosing their sh*t, with daily attacks.
But…. I did read this… and I bet CO$ is not pleased. At all.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2170237/Tom-Cruise-Posing-G-string-temper-like-fury.html
Ohhhh, I love it!
And I already said I suspected he was a big ass screamer in private. When he didn’t get his way. 🙂
Does anyone remember the Tom and Nicole wire tapping? They had a real screamer if I recall correctly.
Great article.
I just did a quick search and found a link that has the transcript on it. I am sure there are more but this was the first one I saw and this guy is a very angry maniac. So much for his cultish lies about the mind and being at peace. This guy is not peaceful, he is mean, manipulative and just plane disgusting. But she also sounds desparate and very insecure demanding that he send her gifts when she is on location? WTF they both are insecure maniacs. I don’t like her too much now either. It also sounds like he doesn’t ever have sex with her. No surprise there.
http://www.lipstickalley.com/f15/leaked-tanscript-tom-cruise-nicole-kidman-phone-conversation-410793/
@tg…about the gift thing.
It was sarcasm on her part about the gifts. He was forever giving her post-it notes with love messages and flowers. He “love-bombed” her all the time. Her comment in that conversation was a reference to Tom’s habit of sending her love notes and flowers and smothering her instead of fixing problems between them.
I got all that from the biography written a while back…forget the author at the moment, but it was pretty good.
Edited to update: So…I just went to your link (thanks for putting that up), and it SO does not sound like sarcasm. It sounds like she’s complaining just like you said. Wow. The portion of that conversation that was put into the book I read was really selectively put together to make Tom look bad.
Thank you TG 🙂
@ TG
Although I feel kinda creepy now for reading such a personal conversation I have to say a couple things:
1. That didn’t sound like a conversation between 2 contracted “spouses.” That sounded like the real deal.
2. Nicole feeling like she isn’t getting enough attention and/or her needs met, Tom’s cryptic “she knows what she did” quote… I wonder if Nicole cheated on him.
3. The story from Tom’s first manager tries to make him seem sympathetic. While I can be somewhat empathetic towards him, I also believe that we can break our patterns. He’s way too old to not have dealt with what happened in his childhood whether he believes in therapy or not. Therefore, I haven’t nearly as much empathy nor sympathy for him as I would for some kid trying to deal with the same thing. I think his camp releasing that story might be more detrimental than anything else.
“I smell a CO$ planted story. “Look at how civil Cruise is being! All he wants is to settle this quietly”….”
Exactly!!!!!!! Tom is playing “nice” now that he knows the public is 99.99% on Katie’s side.
aha, love that article! I was checking up on Andy Murray, and just had to click on that little gem.
It kind of makes a lot of sense actually. I could see him being perfectly charming one minute and screaming the walls down the next. I heard somewhere that he was bipolar but sci-crazies don’t allow medication, etc.
Eh? Wire tapping?
Upon reflection I think that it was someone picking up on the frequency of their phone. This was ages ago. Look it up. It’s out there.
The correct term here would be “throwing hissy fits”.
That link you provided however, made sympathetic to Tom. It was about an 18 year-old young man, who had survived an abusive father, and who suffered from dyslexia, at a time where nuns and priests thought you were being possessed by the devil.
It shows how cults and religions pray on the weak, and dangle salvation and peace, but have you sign over your soul to the devil. Tom should try and get away from Co$, no matter the price, the short-term price. In gossip, everything moves forward, fast. Just ask Johnny Depp!
Meant to say prey on the weak, not *pray*! All that talk about nuns and priests made the little Catholic in me blunder…
I think maybe this was also one of the moves of Team Katie. Maybe it serves the purpose of showing the judge that will eventually rule on the divorce that Katie was willing to try for a negotiation.
But I really do hope she does not negotiate and goes on with the public divorce, since she could embarrass $cientology and Cruise so much to actually destroy them!
@Hautie – Thanks for the link. Don’t know how much of what the lady says is true, but it gives a good background to understand Cruise. It’s very say that he hasn’t found a way to release his anger and open up to his wives/girlfriends. I maybe in the minority here, but I do feel sorry for him. My sister has the same problem – she still has a lot of pent-up anger in her and none of her relationships have worked out. At least Tom has a reason for all the anger – his abusive father. My sister also has issues with our dad, but a lot of it is due to her inability to comprehend situations and make an attempt to understand the other side. My dad has his flaws like anyone else, but he’s amazing. I know how moody she is and how she can get angry at the snap of a finger. She lives alone now because she rarely gets along with people. It’s gut wrenching but it’s the sad truth.
Now, everybody take a look at those b&w pix at the bottom of the link Hautie so generously provided (thanks, Hautie!) and focus on the brows, eyes, and that nose.
Then, go take a look at the pix of Tommy Davis.
Those two Tommies are related, I think.
The booties were the first thing I saw. Unfortunately they look JUST like the old ones! #fug
This whole thing has to be tough for everyone involved. I even feel bad for Tom. A few short years ago he was couch-jumping with joy after finding his soulmate and Kate was marrying her fairy tale love. Now it’s all in the delusional crapper.
Sad, just sad.
So are you upstat this week? Poor Tom, right? Does he help you clean out rubbish bins when he tours the org?
The delusion started with the couch-jumping.
And this soulmate thing you so call… It was rather robot-mate contracted for 5 years.
Sorry to break it to you Rita, but Tom is reaping what he’s sown for decades now. When joining a cult, and faking a life, you take your chances on maybe payback biting you on the a$$.
With the Israel Co$ branch defecting.
With the many disappearances, of the President of Co$ international, and so many other notables who were forced to make way to Miscavige.
I think Tom has no choice but to pretend decency, and putting family first.
good ord, do you realize that if someone had written a book or made a movie with a plot that was only half as crazy as the stuff CO$ pulls, it would have been trashed as being so unbelievably unrealistic at best? The truth is so much weirder than fiction
It does sound like a Grisham thriller!
Boy, everything is coming to a head right now, with Herber’s son dying, his mother not allowed to see the body, and quite notably, the Co$ refusing to hold a memorial.
Apparently, that is a big no-no in Co$, having something to do with moving on to a new life, or admitting to rejecting someone as suppressive person… Hope they bring it down, and free those poor people with Sea Org, or The Hole.
he won’t sacrifice losing anymore of his reputation or career for custody of his child. my guess is she will get everything she wants in exchange for silence.
Exactly and she would take it too
I believe Katie would love for this to be done with the less fuss, aggravation and media play as possible so she and Suri can move along. However, I also think she is showing her mettle against the whacks of the cult that she will not sit back and be victimized like Nicole was by Tommy and Co$ creeps.
So far she has played it well and I wish her continued good luck and success. She may have entered this arrangement for the wrong reason, but which one of us hasn’t made a mistake in a relationship? I’m not going to cast stones at her for that.
Tom and his team want to keep everything calm because the minute they piss Katie off all hell breaks loose. If they go to court she will expose him and his cult. Tommy doesn’t want that so he’s playing nice.
I think people want it to be messy cause they want the drama. Good if they can do it privately cause it is getting tiresome. I can’t take anymore of Katie paps strolls anymore. Don’t feel any sympathy for her cause she knew exactly what she was getting into.
Agree. Good post
“Don’t feel any sympathy for her cause she knew exactly what she was getting into.”
Did she really know? How do you know it?
Sure, she knew exactly what she was getting into. Uh huh.
http://www.wmagazine.com/celebrities/archive/katie_holmes
Does that read like somebody who was of sound mind and entered the relationship with open eyes? Because it sure sounds like somebody who was heavily under the influence of mind altering techniques to me.
barf.
and yes, i remember the whole press-tour at the time.
she was acting like just as much of a weirdo as he was.
I think Katie only thought she knew what she was getting into, but the reality was far more extreme and frightening than anything she expected.
Maybe she was love bombed, ambitious and impressed with Tom’s extravagant lifestyle. She made a big mistake with her life and now she has the welfare of her daughter to consider. The question is where does she go from here, and the answer seems to be as far away from Tom and CO$ as possible.
Sorry Isandgirl, but NO ONE enters a cult with open eyes.
No one knows beforehand the extent of the travesty.
Can we please stop beating this drum?
Katie was a rube; Tom was one of the “hottest stars;” she confessed to crushing on him since childhood (probably one of the reasons she was chosen).
It’s not like Katie was following the TC/NK divorce like we’re following this one.
CO$ only ALLOWS you to know what they want you to know.
When Toto pulled back the curtain, Dorothy didn’t like the all-powerful Oz with which she was confronted.
I hope they get very specific with the details of what Tom can and can’t do with Suri. Like he can’t allow her to be audited and he can’t take her anywhere near the Scientology camps. Katie will need to still be very careful Tom may chip away at Suri bit by bit each visit. That is how they do it. I hope she holds her ground and if she can’t get it all in writing then she needs to take it to court. Katie’s father would be involved somehow so I think she should be ok. So far he has done really well for her.
+1 God only knows what will happen to Suri when she’s with Tom and his crew, especially since he and CO$ now have an axe to grind with Katie. They turned Bella and Connor against Nicole; why wouldn’t they try to do the same thing with Suri and Katie?
I hope she does get very specific about what Tom can do with Suri and the cult he belongs to. I think it has to be argued on her side that Scientology does the fit the definition of a cult and if Suri is exposed to it in any form, he will lose visitation.
Katie has obviously seen the disconnect between Nicole and her kids. She has seen the lost years Nicole experienced that she will never get back and how she seemingly walks on egg shells to keep any kind of relationship going with her older kids. This is Tom’s fault, entirely. When he saw his kids were deciding not to be with their mom, he should have had the balls, the integrity, to stop that. He doesn’t have either one.
I disagree. I don’t think she wants a messy custody issue. Why put her child through that just to feed the public appetite for gossip. Think about the child here for a minute.
What is the problem with quiet negotiations? The interests of the child should be paramount, not satisfying celebrity smut hounds’ need for gossip. No judge in the US is going to deny TC access to his child; there is no history of abuse either to Katie or Suri. If there is evidence that COS is brainwashing, then the judge will get to the bottom of it. There are far too many children who are deprived of a father figure in this country. Keep it out of the press, because these days, press coverage and pressure seem to determine outcome and which parent gets to be the designated villain and victim.
Totally agree with you. Some of these people don’t care about katie and Suri. They care about gossip and the drama this bring
Absolutely.
the problem is people want the truth about CO$ made public and Katie Holmes/this divorce is the best chance at blowing the lid off it
I hope they can settle this quietly for Suri’s sake. And selfishly, I’m ready for this story to end because these endless stories are annoying.
This.
As long as Suri and Katie are safe and I hope for Suri’s sake, Katie wins the sole custody.
It’s NOT about money for her. I don’t get that vibe. It’s all about little Suri. I think that she executed the initial divorce action beautifully, and I wish her well.
How can a woman look years younger in a week? You can see that this marriage was a major strain/burden on her.
Team Katie (obviously).
There was a picture on this site a few months back when Katie and Tom were jogging.
That was the first time I was suddenly convinced she was sick of him. He with his fake smile, while she just endured.
I did not think she would be this smart at it though.
yes those are the pictures where he is actually holding onto her arm while jogging like she might bolt.
I remember those as well! It was one where he so obviously was yelling at her for not keeping up with him!
Thank you for the reminder @flan, some of those rag quotes were making me feel a tad sad for Tommy boy.
Always happy to help, Maguita 😉
Yeah, I’m no expert on body language or anything, but she looked like a woman who still semi-politely tries to extract herself from an unwanted conversation.
There were a lot of rumors around the time of Suri’s birth that she wasn’t Tom’s biological child. Could this be Katie’s trump card?
Katie seems like a nice girl without any major skeletons in the closet. I think she’ll get her way about Suri.
Not that again please and if that is true what does it really say about Katie huh
Sister, I don’t think Suri is tom’s child for a lot of reasons but the number 1 reason is her eyes. CB had a picture up of her in a hat recently and she looked just like Chris Klein, it’s the eyes. She mostly looks like Katie but it’s the eyes that make her look like Chris, the shape is the same. If she ends up tall we will really know!
I’m pretty sure that, when Katie was with Klein, she was saying that she was a virgin and would remain so until marriage because she was a “good Catholic girl”. It was a huge headscratcher for me that she didn’t put out for fiancee Klein but got preggers with Cruise’s baby and didn’t get married right away (I’m not even sure if they were engaged prior to her getting pregnant)
I agree.. Suri looks like Chris Klein. Which is what the rumor is…. And maybe the contract wS always for Katie to get legal custody but they are now fighting or pretending to fight for custody so that when Katie gets to raise suri outside of co$, it doesnt appear that Tom or the church abadnoned her!
This is bananas… That child looks exactly like Tom, ESPECIALLY her eyes!
It has long been rumoured that Katie Holmes was impregnated, a la Rosemary’s Baby, with the preserved semen of deceased Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.
If true, Suri would be the heir apparent to the Scientology throne and as such they would never relinquish control.
It won’t really matter if Suri is the spawn designated of RLH:
If Miscavige was clearly able to push aside, and apparently imprison, the real entitled President of Co$ International Heber Jentzsch, there is no telling what he would do to keep Suri away from the throne. Run Katie, run!
Suri looks too much like Tom Cruise I don’t belive one second she’s not her biological daughter,there were rumours back in the days part of the deal was having a babay right awway :
“On June 17, 2005, the NY Daily News gossip column The Daily Dish [about Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes] wrote this…
Some engaging tidbits So here’s what I’m hearing about that relationship.
A source VERY close to the deal is saying there’s a contract.
It’s worth $5 million.
It’s for five years.
There will be no sex.
The deal was sealed June 7.
That’s what I’m hearing.
And one kid. I obviously have no way of confirming this and don’t know who does. What I can confirm is that Katie read for Tom Cruise’s partner, Paula Wagner, for a part in Mission Impossible III and was subsequently sent to LA for a read with Cruise. Holmes did not return for 17 days and when she did, she met with and fired her manager stating, in a prepared speech, that she was embarking on a new journey in her life and needed new people around her. Rumor has it those 17 days were spent detoxing in The Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre. I find it hard not to believe this…”
@bubulle,
I’ve heard/read some of those details before, but I had read the contract was $10 Million for 5 years. Did not know however that a pregnancy was negotiated, and Katie’s 17-day disappearance.
I think it convenient for any cult to recruit in Hollywood. A place where people are literally driven to do anything for a job, a scene, let alone a whole role in a movie.
And Katie was coming out of a long-term relationship with Chris Klein. Sometimes, in a moment like this, you just jump into an extreme experience hoping for change in your life.
Hope though Katie’s misadventure is a lesson to all: No matter what, have NOTHING to do with a cult.
Sorry for the typos by the way, I don’t think anyone will ever get the right figure considering there is a confidentiality agreement, sorry Maguita but when you’re jumping in a brand you relationship with someone to mend your broken heart you’re not willing to get serious so soon, Holmes got pregnant 2 months after dating Cruise, that’s why I’m not buying she was blindsided by love, if anything she was infatuated with the possibility to live the life of an A-lister. But you’re right she was definitely an easy target for the cult.
You know what, this is a mess. It seems like no matter what happens this child is going to be alienated from a parent. Either she ends up like Tom’s first 2 kids calling someone else mom after a very short period of time or she ends up not having a real relationship with her father because no one will let her be alone in a room with him. If I were Katie Id be crying too but this is what happens when 2 people get married without really accepting who the other person is (well at least in Hollywood anyway). Tom needs to stop trying to convert people and Katie needs to make sure that the next person she marries is not so obviously crazy. Poor Suri.
Suri doesn’t have to deprived of Tom. All it would take is Tom deciding his time with his daughter is more important than his cult. He needs to decide there isn’t anything more important than seeing Suri and that his beliefs are not the Holy Grail of how to live. However, I doubt that will happen.
Tom is used to people treating him like he knows it all and he shall be obeyed. If he has been calling the shots on Katie’s career, then he is lousy at it. He is either incompetent on that score or he was deliberately sabotaging her to keep her where he wanted her.
Jane – Sabotage, plain and simple, to keep her dependent on him and isolate her from SPs.
Classic abuser tactic.
Well I love hearing about it so I would be sad to see it all go underground– but I guess publicity is the big chip she can cash in in exchange for maximum control over Suri’s life moving forward, so we may be forced to know less, moving forward, for the good of Katie and Suri.
It has just been great though– fun gossip drama mixed with all the elation people feel in empathy with someone throwing off the yoke of an oppressive person and organization. I hope and suspect this internet firestorm will free many more people than Katie and Suri. Our interest in them and reflections on them have no doubt sparked doubt about the COS and longing for freedom in others who have been pressured to read this blog in order to make contrarian comments. I hope some of them (you) have the strength to follow some links, do some research, and find a safe way to start new lives. Go Katie Go!!
Okay then……
We see you trollin’…
We see you baitin’…
We know that you and Toot are ridin’ dirty…
@islandgirl and Soxfan:
Why would this be a trolling post? If you read it carefully, Rachel is saying that hopefully other Co$ members will be inspired to break free from the cult. I kind of agree, it’s a GOOD thing to hope for.
Hi Izzy-
My response was to Islandgirl-not Rachel.
Sorry, reply, not response.
Soxfan
I agree Izzy!
Although if you don’t follow through, it could seem a bit Co$ promoted, but the end sentence makes it clear, and encouraging more to break free.
Children of Co$ and Anonymous are out there. Ready to help.
Soxfan – apologies! Thanks for clarifying.
I expected this. There’s no way this is going to trial where all the thetans can come out of the closet.
I just read this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/fashion/for-scientologists-divorce-is-no-simple-matter.html?_r=1
I wish the media would stop consulting official Co$ websites and spokespeople. THEY LIE LIKE RUGS. Of course they’re not going to talk about the reality.
And the reality is that divorce is extremely common among scientologists. LRHubs was married what, three times? For people in the Sea Org, marrying is a way to get more private accomodation. They think in billions of years, the ‘current’ really just isn’t very significant. Who cares about a couple of years with one person or another?
Here’s some cool info on how that ‘working it out’ thing is supposed to work..
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_marriage_counseling_what_have_you_done_to_tom.php
It gets weirder!
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_sun_21.php#more
Only victim here is Suri
This may be out of left field, and I really do NOT want to raise the hackles of anyone at all, but I’m going to throw it out there. Is it possible that Suri is on the autism spectrum and fears Tom and CO$’s unwillingness to get her treatment? A la Jett Travolta? Obviously Suri’s issues are different from Jett’s, but wouldn’t that be something that would make Kate definitely want to keep her away from CO$ and want/need absolute decision-making power over her care?
Of course, there’s no way to diagnose her from pictures, but the great unhappiness at being papped (well beyond the realm of other celebrity kids who are frequently papped, like the Pitt-Jolies or the Garner-Afflecks) and the being carried/carrying stuffed animals/wearing clothes that seem unusual or inadequate for the weather could all add up. Does she talk? I just hope she gets the care she needs. I have a child who has a neurological disorder, so I know how hard it is.
Suri seems fine. Remember this poor little girl has been isolated from children her own age until recently. She was also horribly spoiled by both of her parents. She is probably just a little emotionally and mentally immature for a child of 6 but I doubt it has anything to do with having a neurological disorder. I think in time if her mom gets her into a little therapy and puts her in a regular school then she will be fine.
Perhaps it’s just lack of socialization? She has been isolated for so long in a cult that believes children should be treated like adults, and this during a time where the formation of social skills is crucial. She may be delayed in that sense, but if Katie has her way, Suri will catch up.
Edit: Posted this and that’s when LeeLoo’s post showed up. So, +1 on what LeeLoo said!!
Or, she’s carrying stuffed animals and her mother carries her bc she’s only 6?!?! People forget, this little girl is a CHILD. If you and your child were constantly papped, you’d probably carry them around frequently as well.
I’m aware that she is a child. But I have three children, and my six year olds did not carry around stuffed animals or insist that we carry them everywhere. True, we were not being papped, but this child’s behavior is far outside the realm of what most would consider normal. There are pictures of her drinking out of a sippy cup taken this year! Six year olds are known for asserting their independence and wanting to show how grown up they are, not clinging to infant toys, blankets, and sippy cups.
Hey, it’s just a theory. But please don’t pretend that her behavior is that of any normal six year old. It is not. Then again, nothing about her life is “normal.”
My kids carry their favorite toys around all the time. Especially when they know no other kids are going to be around wherever we’re going. It’s 100% normal behavior for a 6 year old child.
I totally agree with Boo; my kids at that age might have brought a toy somewhere with them, but not a special stuffed animal that’s clutched like a blankie. But if we were at, say a zoo, and bought souvenir stuffed animals, they might for that day.
2 reasons why my kids didn’t do that: 1) I would probably say NO, to leave special toy at home,and 2) their peers weren’t bringing a security toy with them wherever they went, so they knew it wasn’t typical.
My sisters both carried babies with them until they were 7 and 9. I still have my favorite stuffed animal from when i was 6. He is in my closet as i type this. IMO, a child carrying around a favorite toy, be it a stuffed animal or, like in my sons case, a race car, if you go out does not equal a neurological disorder. I’m not negating that she definitely needs time with other “normal” children, but I do feel as if you’re reaching. Every parent has their own styles. Katie likes to carry her daughter and has no problem letting her child carry a toy. Just because it’s not something you do or care for, doesn’t make it wrong.
I realize you aren’t bashing, but I’m do sick of mothers disagreeing with other mothers, so it makes their actions wrong or the children “slow” or something like that. We all do things our own way and we shouldn’t be judged negatively for it.
Also, I give major props to mothers with children that have special needs. You all are stronger than I could be.
To me, that is easily chalked up to social skills. She has been rather isolated from children her own age. She may not have the social skills or the awareness to be at the phase where she goes without a stuffed animal. Everything discussed here may or may not be normal for her age but I think it’s silly to say she is neurologically damaged because of it. That’s like saying I’m somehow damaged because I still read young adult novels from time to time. She’s just a little immature. Hell, after seeing some photos of her messing with the paparazzi making faces for the cameras, I’m pretty sure she will be fine and one day Emperess Z and Suri will argue about who gets to take over the world. 😛
This is SO unverified by I read a post somewhere yesterday speculating that Suri might have an anxiety condition (and who could blame her with crushes of camera wielding adults screaming at her every time she goes outside!). This could certainly explain the constant presence of comfortable snuggies.
That wouldn’t surprise me one bit.
If I were afraid of my daughter being snatched, I’d carry her around all the time for as long as it’s possible to do so.
I think if they are negotiating, it’s because Katie has big stuff on cos that she is threatening to release. Otherwise, I don’t see Tom relenting at all. He seems like a very stubborn, I want what I want kinda guy. Watch, if she gets what she wants, nothing will come out. She was very cunning, in a good way! 🙂
Publicity is the best weapon Katie has. In reality, Katie’s people don’t have to do a thing. People want to expose Scientology for what it is, a cult, and they see this divorce as their best opportunity to spill the beans on CoS and Tom.
I don’t know if Katie can restrict Suri’s exposure to Scientology and Tom’s friends. The courts would have to decide his beliefs and his friends and family (Connor, Isabella, his sisters, his mother, and cousin) are a danger to Suri.
Hautie, really? Are these new suede booties?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/style/what-katie-holmes-changing-style-1130757
I don’t like these boots with a dress.
I think when she left she couldn’t take a whole wardrobe, just took what she could. She’s worn those dark wash skinny jeans several times, I never liked these boots. I also think it will take time to rebuild her wardrobe because she doesn’t want to seem like she’s spending excessively.
It is good for Suri if this can be settled easily and with the least amount of fuss. On the other hand it seems like the spotlight of recent attention on CO$ would have brought much needed widespread media attention to their practices.
The best outcome imo is that both Katie and Suri are safe and the recent media reports lead more people read up on this cult.
I love when commenters try and micromanage the posts by going up and down the page and discouraging any free thought. 1st, this is a gossip site, it’s suppose to be mindless and fun. 2nd, gossip is a buffet, YOU CAN PICK and CHOOSE what you want to believe.
ALSO on two different posts today I have seen people complaining about subject matter, really!?!? This is the most exciting thing since Tom split from Nicole, celebrity gossip wise and I would rather have 10 TOmKat posts over any K family post. We should be loving CB a long time for not putting the mothers geriatric bikini shot up.
My point is gossips, is to have fun with this because we are all going to have different views on this one and we get anything this juicy for awhile. Now let’s make popcorn and let the theories fly!
right on!
+1! Start mixin’ those Thetatinis!
Scientolo-tinis, straight(ish) up! 😀 We also have Karmakazis and Karmaritas. 😉
I’ll have an Enturbulini please
>We should be loving CB a long time for not putting the mothers geriatric bikini shot up.<
Love, love, love to CB! Love, love, love!
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That outfit is horrible. She is getting so thin. They showed a photo of her back and it was painfully bony. But the stress of a divorce will do that to you. No matter if you want it, you’re sad. She may be out with a smile on her face for the paps and PR, but I have no doubt behind the scenes this is terribly sad for her even though she wants it, and having to deal with a child, having to tell the daughter you’re divorcing. My friend went through telling their daughter at six, and she said it was something she never wants to deal with again.
seriously. more money that god and she dresses like i dont even know what. i cringe every time someone here praises her style. and youre right, she’s on stress overload right now i would think… but she can’t dress herself in good times or bad.
A few threads ago, some people were posting about trolls, and I thought “nah, why would that happen?”
but you know, I really think Islandgirl is a plant, a troll.
It needs to come out, so other people can not fall into the same trap. it needs to come out so katie and suri are not harmed by COS.
we might not need to read every detail, I for one find it an invasion of privacy.
But I hope it’s not behind closed doors. I hope it all comes out, for the people who cannot afford to take a stand, I do hope katie can pick up this ball and run with it.
Not for my need for drama, not because I am nosy. But this “religion” is so truly scary, it needs to come out and be brought down.
Ok so only one thought is allowed. Anything else is a troll. Thanks for letting us know!
no.
it’s not the dissenting opinion, it was the posting on so many threads, saying the same thing, and all rather suddenly.
As I read above, I am not the only one with this concern.
Thats not true. There are people on here who are not exactly pro-Katie and feel she sold her soul.
However, as I’ve been reading through the TK threads, to me Island girl comes off consistently pro CO$. If that’s her deal, she should own it. However while I can’t link to anything at the moment (I’m on my iPhone), I’ve seen a few stories on how CO$ members are supposed to discredit this. Again if it’s your belief, own it and bring it to the discussion in a positive way. This religions marketing to the masses and it’s PR spin has been its own public downfall. Just my opinion.
It is a well documented tactic for the Co$ to have people who do nothing exept scour the internet to downvote, report or counter any anti Co$ sentiment. Or if they can’t do that, just plain drown out anti-Co$ stuff. Back in the day the alt.religion.scientology newsgroup was DROWNED in thousands upon thousands of spam messages – posted by Tory Christman, who is now a very vocal Ex-sci activist. In a PR crisis as big as this one, you can bet that they have a room full of people to counter all the ‘entheta’ posted here.
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/07/05/scientology-inc-wants-to-censor-cruiseholmes-break-up-news/
Just a question : do you think people in Hollywood are supporting Katie, I just read a tweet from TC here is what he said :
“Hearing @AshtonKutcher privately “feels sorry” for @TomCruise. Fascinating! Since he sorta did same to Demi “
huh?? wow – i dont even get what thats supposed to mean. please elaborate…
TC is tweeting right now? seriously??
im not seeing parallels between Ashton/Demi & TomKat. are you? so wth is TC trying to say. someone fill me in.
Casablancas has been fired from E allegedly because he accidentally outed Jeremy Renner in one of his BV, so tweeter is his new communication tool. The only thing I get is that Kutcher is secretly sorry for Cruise, I’m like you on the Demi Moore’s analogy don’t know what he means.
… maybe they just feel sorry that their careers are taking a hit due to their personal problems, but whatEVA! i’m not feelin’ it for either one of ’em – they’re both complete ego-maniacs.
@Bubulle: was that the reason? I found so strange that he left right after the Holiday… I remember I read the BV, but it was already fixed. I Think I remember the story (on a party he invited another guy etc), but not the monikers,do you remember? Thanks!
@LucyOriginal I’m not sure what you’re talking about but I’ve also read that E has been trying to get rid of him for a while now, rumour has it was because Ted was writting BV about Ryan Seacrest, and of course Seacrest complained, I think they were just waiting for a good excuse to fire him, they were also probably tired to deal with the celebs pitbull lawyers, Ted used to hint at things about Clooney’s legal team, that’s why he has only appeared once in his BV and even he was only a co star.
I was referring to the BV you mentioned of Jeremy. I read that, but I could not remember the moniker (the name he gives instead of the real name). I remember now, it was Freddie friction. I usually don’t read the BV’s unless someone I know reads it and talks about it.So, I have no clue about Seacrest’s BV or George’s BV either. I never believed these BV’s were real. Anyway, thanks.
@LucyOriginal My bad I didn’t get your whole post at first, anyway like you said Ted’s BV moniker for Jeremy was Freddie Friction but in the middle of the blind he accidentally? called him Jeremy Friction that’s how people figured out it was him .
Here is a link a to the non fixed BV (you can still the name Jeremy instead of Freddie) :
http://www.blinditemsexposed.com/search/label/Jeremy%20Renner
Here are the Clooney’s one (Charmaine Chuck-Up : Renée Zellweger / Trent Spent : Brad Pitt)
http://www.blinditemsexposed.com/search/label/Trent%20Spent
http://www.blinditemsexposed.com/search/label/Pete%20Poked
And Ryan Seacrest :
http://www.blinditemsexposed.com/search/label/Ryan%20Seacrest
Who knows if it the BV involved Jeremy or not. The reason Ted & his editors got fired was due to the fact they left his name in. They reviewed it, approved it, and let it be printed. If it wasn’t true, then Ted just set E! up for a slander suit. It’s all fun & games & gossip until you start putting names to things that are just rumors and unsubstantiated. That’s why Ted got the boot.
That said, I don’t believe it. That BV came out years ago when Tom & Becks were buddy buddy. Years before Jeremy started filming MI4.
The BV he left Jeremy’s name on has nothing to do with Tom Cruise. As far as I know or I guess I don’t understand the BV’s at all.
@Bubulle: Thanks!
Katie looks very cute here, but I am still not digging those suede booties that she seems to favor. I hope to God that she does not back down on wanting sole custody. Hopefully Tom has some non-Scientologists advising him, and that they’ve told him he needs to give her what she’s asking for, or else risk the complete end of his career. Even if she does get sole custody, I still think it would be very scary for her to have Suri spend any amount of time with him. I just don’t see how Suri will not be exposed to the CO$ in any way, since he is her father, and she would still visit with him. I would think there would still be some exposure.
Being the devil’s advocate here – there are two possibilities for this calm out-of-court settlement. One, Katie has enough dirt on Tom and is ready to spit it out in the court if Tom plays hard. Two, Katie’s PR very smartly used Scientology as the reason for this divorce whereas it could very well be that this is the only way Katie would get a ‘good settlement’ along with sole legal custody of Suri. Her pre-nup would have got her a chump change of $15 million only. If this what it is, then well played team Katie. You are one smart cookie. On the other hand, it’s fair enough. Tom is worth $300 million and it’s better that he shares the fortune with Katie and Suri than drop it into the coffers of CO$.
The joke is on us if this grand divorce ends in an out-of-court-settlement. Ex-members of CO$ came out in support of Katie/Suri hoping that this would help bring down Miscavage or even prompt some action against CO$. Most of us dedicated our past week reading about CO$ and made this out to be about Scientology. Looks like it ain’t!
Hmmm…where art thou, Mr. Depp?
I’m reading the Jack Reacher stories. Only because I heard that Tom Cruise was starring as Jack. Can’t wait. In all I’ve seen about 5 Cruise movies and enjoyed them all. I would hate for him to give up movie making and go into a funk because he feels people dont appreciate him.
Also. The freedom to worship whoever, is that not an inalienable right?
Yes,the freedom to worship is an inalienable right. HOWEVER, the freedom to impose your quack and frankly dangerous religious beliefs on a small child is not. Especially when it involves threat, intimidation and brain-washing.
kkkaren, Tom Cruise doesn’t care whether people appreciate him or not. He’s a narcissist with a Napoleonic complex–all he cares about is what’s in the mirror. So don’t worry, The Little General will NEVER go into a “funk” over others’ perception of him. Because he really just wants attention, power, and control. Making movies and being famous is just a means to an end for him.
no, people don’t have the right to worship in ways that break the law, ex. child labour.
Not unless you are married to Tom Cruise.
“Also. The freedom to worship whoever, is that not an inalienable right?”
Not unless you are married to Tom Cruise.
The man is OTVIII, he doesn’t GO into a ‘funk’. He has cleared his reactive mind. People of his level are above all those base emotions.
In fact, as an OTVIII, none of this should be happening to him at all. He should be able to influence the world around him, see into people’s hearts in minds, and be the master of his own fate. It shouldn’t have been possible for Katie Holmes to surprise him with a divorce!
But hey, if he does go into a ‘funk’ (like, you know, depression?) he can always just take some vitamins and it’ll clear right up.
Anne de Vries, do I detect of touch of glibness in that reply? 😉
She is going to need a good settlement – her styling is terrible. I don’t see any future in her Holmes & Yang venture.
There is no way her Father will allow her to retract her divorce filing as this article states. She would lose all of her power. They might be amicable, but she’s not retracting anything. She did it for a reason. L
I don’t understand if she gets everything she wants why would she bother ?
Because either party can always go back to court to have something amended. If she retracts, and this gets moved to California, it would make it more advantageous custody-wise for him since that state favors joint custody. In divorce proceedings it is not uncommon for this “we want to play nice attitude” to appear out of nowhere so that one party will halt going down the legal road they are on. I promise, she is not going to back down on the filing in New York. Okay, they might settle quietly, but by it staying in New York, it will ensure that when problems arise down the road (no compliance with custody arrangements or agreements) that Katie will have New York law on her side. That is why when children are involved you should never just settle on your own without a good lawyer involved. There will always be reasons down the road which will warrant going back to court. these include non-payment of child support or non-compliance with the order regarding visitation arrangements. You set it up legally in the beginning so as not to have these problems in the years to come. There is being decent, but there really should be no assumption of a scorned party playing nice. If he plays nice today he will change his mind tomorrow.
I don’t believe Cruise will try to get anything amended just because KH has the public on her side, and Cruise’s career means the world to him, I don’t think he wants any more bad publicity, I think him and the cult are desperate to play it cool.
Her father not allowing her to change her mind. So she is not independant. Moves from her father’s control to Tom’s back to Daddy!
The thing that has me riveted about this situation is that except for the money and fame, KH is no different than any other woman trying to get out of an abusive relationship.
To those talking about alienation from one or the other parent – if you have a parent with an agenda that isn’t as much about you as it is about something else (punishing the other parent, making sure you become THEIR version of you, not the best version of yourself) – a full and healthy relationship is not possible.
The way she ended this is classic “best practice” for leaving an abusive situation:
1. Have a plan and some sort of reliable support system.
2. Don’t let your abuser get wind of it.
3. When the time is right, go.
4. Be very careful. The immediate aftermath of the leaving is the most dangerous of all.
My read on this – from the same remove as everyone else – is that KH will emerge from this stronger and wiser.
My fantasy is that she will use her visibility to help inspire women in similar abusive situations (no physical abuse, but other types that are just as damaging and more insidious) to leave, and to give themselves and their children the same shot at growing up to be emotionally healthy adults.
No, offense, but I doubt Katie will inspire many abused women. She is wealthy with a lot of family support and a father who is a lawyer. Most abused women are hampered by lack of education and financial means, strapped with kids to worry about supporting, lack of self-esteem, no support system. The average woman would never relate to Katie, a wealthy actress. Maybe a few Scientologists might be inspired by it, but I kind of doubt it because they’re so brainwashed and adore Tom.
+ 10000000
I wish people would actually volunteer at abused woman shelter before they say crap like that.
Jayna:
No offense taken. And at this stage, I totally agree with you. What I hope – and I didn’t phrase it as well as I might have – is that once this is all behind her, maybe someone will point out to her that she can use her story and her wealth to seed a foundation to help other women who don’t have the same advantages she did. And you are absolutely correct about the support system. It, more than anything, is what makes the difference between being able to successfully leave a toxic situation or be stuck in it.
As for you, Ali, offense taken.
I left a marriage to a man who wouldn’t let me work when we were married, wouldn’t support me when I left and openly looked forward to seeing me crash and burn. The abuse was financial, emotional and psychological and sexual. He never hit me. He didn’t have to.
Our daughters were 2, 4 and 7 when I walked. It took me 15 years to get to a point of anything resembling financial stability, but I did it. My daughters are grown women who have not chosen abusive partners.
For the past nine years of my work life, I’ve been running a program for Displaced Homemakers (look it up). More than 50 percent of my participants are leaving or have left abusive relationships. I’ve spent plenty of time at local domestic violence shelters – conducting workshops and letting the women there know that I’m out here and ready to help them when they’re no longer in immediate crisis.
Maybe you ought to check out where someone is coming from before you start throwing terms like “crap” around.
I would like to start calling Katie, Katie “Houdini” Holmes. For her great escape.
First off… Let’s hope that these divorce attorneys don’t have any skeletons, because it seems they would be, stalked, harassed, or blackmailed by them.
Secondly – Since when has People been so solidly Tom Cruise? Just enticing readers or is the ugly reach of scientology being revealed?
Thirdly – Where is the proof that living this way is a good way? All I’ve ever heard about them is their torture of their own members. And the dubious proof of their help to celebrity careers of people who already are talented, good-looking, and charismatic is ridiculous.
It could be the studio heads leaning on People to go soft on tiny tom. After all it is all about money and he is their moneymaker. I have noticed the major newspeople aren’t going after him very hard. CNN coverage of the cult is minimum and blah and as you can see People is doing the same thing. The E Channel is kissing his a** too, but that isn’t surprising since that’s what they do with all celebs and faux celebs.
Good point. Can’t forget the incentive to protect the investment.
i’m a dullard.
Katie’s nude bootie ROCK!
all i get from this post on a lazy Sunday is the fashion. 😉
especially when one is too hard pressed to give a damn about a pedi (hence the boots…great idea!), whist plotting your Amazonian-in-magnitude split from the world’s biggest egoist.
the Catholics have got a poster-child yet. holla!
p.s.- errybady check out ‘the others’. Nicole filmed a movie about a devout catholic mother teaching her kids to deal with their fears right b4 Tommykins gave her the ol’ heave-ho!
i’m not one…but if this shatters that crazy org, CATHOLICS ROCK!!! 😀
Of course Tom is negotiating. He’s got too much to lose right now if he doesn’t negotiate. He’s got at least 3 major films coming out in the next 12 months. The studios told him that he better make this go away quietly. I’m sure he’ll do anything to keep his career and avoid a public battle.
As long as Katie gets full legal custody and Tom has a few conditions set to his visitation such as not allowing Suri to leave NYC, not exposing Suri to Scientology, and not exposing Suri to strangers and having a nanny present during visitations then I have no problem with Tom being allowed to visit Suri as long as he wants. Tom maybe a controlling asshole with a Napoleon complex but he does deserve an opportunity to be in Suri’s life provided he plays by the rules.
This marriage was a recipe for disaster right from the get go. Why blame it all on TC and Scientology? Not that I support Scientology, I dont know that much about it. But take it out of the picture. The marriage wouldn’t have lasted anyway because they are a total mismatch. He opened doors for her that wouldnt have been opened otherwise and she pretty much failed at everything. She’s walked around with her bottom lip dragging on the ground for a couple of years now. She’s the other half of this equation. If it was so bad what took her so long? Could it be the relationship didnt add up to her unrealistic expectations,Tom isnt amazing afterall so she’s simply leaving?
The most important aspect is that she did file for divorce. Obviously, you have never been in a relationship with a person who is controlling and emotionally abusive. Getting away is never easy, Katie probably feared if she let on the fact that she was going to divorce he would try and get custody of Suri. The way she moved out and filed for divorce suggests she waited for the perfect moment to strike. Plus, if she wanted for the divorce to happen in NY she had to wait 2 years. It seems to me that she did everything she could to get her ducks in a row and to give herself the upper hand. The way she filed suggests she was trying to remove herself from a toxic situation.
LeeLoo: fyi I was married to an extremely controlling, devious and highly successful man who has NPD. He was a living nightmare! I know full well how difficult it can or cannot be. I think it’s a problem leaving when you are threatened with death to yourself, your children or others. I highly doubt TC did that. Unless the court can prove you are an unfit parent you are not going to lose your child. It’s obvious from media scrutiny this marriage has been over for some time. Everything at this point is speculation.
@Blonde I feel your pain. I was in a relationship for 5 years with a man who had NPD.
Yes, it does take 2 to ruin a relationship but there was always something so off about Tom. He strikes me as the type that is really put together on the outside but something dark and awful is lurking underneath. I don’t pretend to know the guy. But all of these pictures of their relationship is worth 1000 words. Something was definitely wrong to make Katie flee the way she did if she had to “blindside” him.
In the end we are only discussing what the gossip rags are telling us. That’s the whole point of this. Usually there are grains of truth in all of the gossip but I highly doubt any of it is 100% of the truth. The reason Katie is getting canonized in this is because she represents a generation of women who made a bad call with the person they chose to be with and she’s getting out of this situation and kicking ass while doing it.
LeeLoo – You are so right and she by now would be very aware of what happened to Nicole with being “blindsided” and not having he upper hand. I just love how she handed him his a** in the process. I am sorry you were in a relationship for 5 years with an NPD person. It must be so weird to be with someone like that because they would make you think you are the one who has the problem or is crazy or it is your fault.
As far as TC goes, I just don’t think you can separate him from his religion. Not at this point. Even with the age difference and NPD, TC is CO$. There were 3 in this relationship from the beginning, and I’m not talking about Camilla Parker Bowles.
I agree. They have a 17 year age difference which makes a divorce rate much higher, and studies show if a couple has a child together before marriage they have a higher chance of divorce. So add in Scientology and the marriage will crumble. It was doomed from the beginning. All the facts were there from the beginning.
At least she was smart enough to get married because she will walk away with her head held high and have a very secure financial settlement. If she wasn’t married she would have lost out on a lot.
she is a fashion CATASTROPHE.
gawd.
notice Posh finally ditched… (moved from L.A. true, but still – no appearances together anymore? ever??)
Agree. She is not stylish at all. I think she dresses too young for her age.
Just posting a random thought I had while reading the article and posts… it will probably be MUCH harder to alienate Suri from Katie, thanks in no small part to Katie’s father, who is likely the driving force behind her entire divorce strategy. If even a whiff of parental alienation pops up, you don’t think Martin Holmes will help Katie bring down the hammer? I hope for Suri and Katie’s sakes that TC and Co$ never try it, but if they do, I hope TC and his little cult posse get shredded for it.
What Katie needs to fear about “liberal visitation” is this:
If Tom gets to visit Suri in Cali, the CO$ megatropolis’ are RIGHTTHERE;
If Tom gets to visit Suri in NY, the FL CO$ megatropolis is a short flight away (I’m sure JT would offer to pilot the plane – he lives in FL anyway);
And the England megatropolis is just a few hours’ flight away (again, JT would fly).
THAT would cause me to seek “supervised visitation” or DEMAND highly stringent visitation rules about WHO is permitted to be around Suri and where she is NOT permitted to be taken.
And just because a judge orders it doesn’t mean TC will obey it. (He’s got that SMS, you know.)
I agree with you bellaloona and many others on here as well. The only problem is I can’t imagine a settlement out of court that would restrict visitation in such a way. That is why I don’t want her to settle, I think he will be granted much more opportunities to brainwash. I just keep reminding myself that this woman planned an escape not just decided to divorce and take her daughter with her she planned a freaking escape with her families help. That says it all to me, because only a woman who fears for her life or her child’s life and or freedom would do such a think. That is very telling about the situation she was in and it doesn’t look good for that tiny controlling cult maniac. He and miscavige seem to be one and the same.
This is what would concern me as well. Isn’t it funny that he couldn’t be flexible enough to work out these issues inside his marriage and save it, but he is going to play nice an be flexible while getting the divorce? I just don’t buy this. He is merely playing chess at this point. This is where women in controlling and abusive situations lose their footing. They want to believe their partner is an innately good person. Those who have made it through to the other side know better.
Message to Tom: the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again an expecting a different outcome. And I don’t mean choosing wives.
Yes, the whole pretending-to-be-flexible game, when really he’s just planning total annihilation.
TC is W-A-Y too used to being in control of every little facet of his life to roll over this easily.
Unless the CO$ has him bent over a barrel, as well. Figuratively, of course! 😉
As far as working on his marriage, he was too busy being “TOM CRUISE” for it to matter.
I seriously think it will all settle in Katie’s favor. My best guess is once Tom realizes that he can’t force Scientology on Suri he will stay away. But at the same time, I do hope he does remain in Suri’s life provided restrictions are put in place and I think they will be put into place in the settlement.
Honestly, I really believe Katie has some dirt on him. I think that’s why he is willing to settle quietly and from the sound of it be very generous to Katie. I think she has information that leaves him with no choice but to give her whatever she wants. It sounds like Katie knows something that he doesn’t want to get out.
LeeLoo – I totally agree…Katie has something really big on Tom and I would love, love, love to find out what that is someday…I’m sure it is juicy!
I agree. I’m sure Katie wants strict guidelines in place concerning where Suri can be taken and who she can be exposed to.. but I can’t see a judge putting supervised visitation on Tom and his family without cause..so I think Katie has something good to bargin with or she wouldn’t have asked .
I really wish this would open Toms eyes to his cult, but sadly I can’t see him getting out. I mean he would most likely lose his other children if he did.
I love how Katie seems to have timed her exit so well. With Tom signed on to at least two big budget movies, she effectivly loped the movie execs into pressuring Cruise not to act like a nutjob. Maybe this will help her.
If Tom were movieless with no contracts on the horizon, then the only people around him would be other cult member. Just think of what he might have done under those circumstances with that group of loonies with him.
I would love it if this organization were persona non grata in the hollywood community. They don’t need any more money. That monstrosity needs to be starved.
She’s got him by the balls. Or rather her lawyers (read her dad) do. Tommy Boy may have been caught off guard, but what’s more is his LAWYERS have been caught flat footed. Really, you’re going to file in Cali when there’s already a petition in NY? Um, no. You’ve got to get the NY petition dismissed FIRST, dipsh&t. Any lawyer who practices law in a city that borders another state (Like New York), would know that. The next step for him, legally, is to respond to the New York petition, which firmly puts the case in NY. Only then could he legally challenge the assertion that Katie has met New York’s residency requirements for filing and I’m guessing she can. Her Dad has been so freakin’ canny on all of this, they never would have filed in NY if she could meet the requirements.
She really caught them flat-footed. It’s so brilliant to watch all of this. She has the upper hand, and she’s not going to give it up. This story smells like a plant. As Lainey puts it, the girl is a baller!
I wish she writes a book about everything she knows about him and Scientology that’ would be awesome i will buy it in a flash, i’m glad at least someone is standing up to him after so many years.
Thanks @MrsNix – I think your version makes more sense but it might be a little of both, she probably became insecure living with that monster.
I just don’t see a restriction that Tom is not allowed to take Suri to California for his visitation.
I fear he will try to indoctrinate her when he can.
I think it was @TG who had said on yesterday’s post, if proceedings are to stay in NY, Katie could ask for psychological evaluation.
Are you choking on laughter? Can you imagine Tommy boy being asked to go through a psych evaluation?
Also, she could by the same breath request supervised parental visitations. Thus ensuring that Suri is never left alone with Tom, and any of his Co$ relatives/supporters. Keeping Suri away from that cult as much as possible.
I can’t take credit for the psycological evaluation,though I wish I had thought of it. Someone on People.com commented wondering what would happen if he was required to go for an evaluation so I mentioned it on here after reading that. So I don’t think that has actually come up as an actual possibility, but if she really is trying to protect her daughter from the evil influences of a cult and controlling maniacal father than it could be something a court would order. And I don’t think you can use religion as an excuse to get out of it since he would be being evaluated for the court and not treated by a doctor.
re: An internal memo from Scientology’s “Office of Special Affairs”
Sooo…. who here is a COS commentator?
They are quite easily differentiated, actually. While their talking points have changed from several days ago (why is COS so bad, why diff from other religions, etc), their posts still differ from other commenters. Their posts are usually brief, repetitive (add nothing new to the dialogue), and devoid of intellect or wit. They frequently rappel quickly into anger even when challenged quite lightly. I think its great they are here, and regret saying earlier that we should ignore them. I was so touched by posts I read earlier noting that these scientologists posting here are likely victimized people themselves and we have a chance to show them a loving outside world. I recently learned that typically, they are not allowed to read anti scientology things on the internet (they are told it will take away their ‘wins’). So, the fact that they have been told to post here gives us a unique opportunity to educate them on the ugly hidden truths about their religion. *steps off soapbox*
That’s sweet and open… But I don’t see any Co$… Then again, I’ve cut-off all caffeine from my diet, so I’m running slow today?
It has been interesting to see the talking points change! I was particularly intrigued when they started to mirror the party line being put out by the Cruise camp – that this divorce has nothing to do with Scientology; that Katie knew what she was getting into; that Katie is trying to hurt Tom.
Marty Rathbun (thorn in DM’s side) just put out an interesting post about this and about how he thinks things are going to play out.
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/07/08/holmes-vs-cruise-the-end-game/
I’ve been checking out a few of the official Co$ websites (not to convert – I remain a Nice Jewish Girl), and another flag for Co$ troll postings is really, REALLY bad spelling and grammar. I mean REALLY bad. As in semi-literate bad. Co$ apparently doesn’t put a lot of stock in education on useful things like language arts or math. Or science. Or anything based in fact, really.
Mich – nice link.
Reading the comments here I think a lot of people are going to be surprised and disappointed in the outcome of all of this. I’m quite sure Tom and Katie had an iron clad Prenup. All of this was spelled out for Katie before she signed. And her father I’m sure looked at it carefully. Tom is not a dumb man. Nicole didn’t talk after the divorce, and she is not talking now. There will be no tell all books or interviews where Katie spouts off about the COS. She may be giving people the impression that she is holding all the cards. She is not; at least I don’t believe she is. And the comment above that said 99.99% of people are behind Katie.. yes.. maybe, but I have seen on a few sites a lot of negative towards her and her daily outings with Suri. I know people are saying the more she is seen the safer she is. Well that may be the game Katie is playing. But thing is Tom is very huge in the COS and I don’t see them doing anything to Katie or Suri. But I also don’t see the courts taking Tom’s right as a father away because people don’t like or agree with his religion. He could make some argument against Suri being Catholic. We forget that everyone thinks their religion and the way they worship is the right way and only way.
I just don’t see Katie as the doe eyed innocent. She knew what she was getting into. Wanted it and love it. Then she made Tom think she was fine and waited for him to go far away then she filed for divorce. So I’m not taking sides..just watching and seeing how this turns out. I think there will be lots of surprises.
If you have not already done so, check out the village voice coverage on this.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/scientology/
@Lisa2 – You bring up some good points, but you also fail to get that she escaped from him. And by looking at that last pic of tinytom and her together no one would mistake that for a happy woman. Any deception on her part was necessary to escape plain and simple. I don’t think you have ever known anyone who has been in an abusive relationship or have ever read extensively on the subject or you wouldn’t be saying that part about trickery. Just read her 2005 W magazine interview and you will see the control and alienation of her friends and family had already begun and that was only about 6 weeks into the relationship I think.
I like your logical approach. If they are hammering out all the details now, the courts will presumably just okay everything if both parties are happy.
Me thinks one of the ex’s *cough* GodblessyouNicole *cough* gave her a lil’ ringy-dingy.. of courage..
Over at the DM site:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2170405/Scientology-Son-Church-president-Heber-Jentzsch-troubled-life.html
Seriously, they all look really really freaky, yes? That look in their eyes.
Honestly, it gives me chills just thinking about it.
*shudders*
Does anyone think Katie would do this just to get everything she wants?
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/07/scientology_katie_holmes_tom_cruise_divorce_rathbun.php
As a mother, I would in her position.
As a member of the public, I would love to see this continue to shed light on CO$ and hopefully spur more public support/demand for investigations into CO$ criminal activity. As a mother, my end game would be to make sure that my child was safe, free to be properly educated, free from brainwashing, free to associate with others and able to receive proper medical care whenever it was needed…among the many things that could possibly be denied with a CO$ upbringing.
What L. Ron Hubbard made sure his then wife signs to stop vilifying him to the media.
“I, Sara Northrup Hubbard, do hereby state that the things I have said about L. Ron Hubbard in courts and the public prints have been grossly exaggerated or entirely false.
I have not at any time believed otherwise than that L. Ron Hubbard is a fine and brilliant man.
I make this statement of my own free will for I have begun to realize that what I have done may have injured the science of Dianetics, which in my studied opinion may be the only hope of sanity in future generations.
I was under enormous stress and my advisers insisted it was necessary for me to carry through an action as I have done.
There is no other reason for this statement than my own wish to make atonement for the damage I may have done. In the future I wish to lead a quiet and orderly existence with my little girl far away from the enturbulating influences which have ruined my marriage.
Sara Northrup Hubbard.”
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I don’t know if Katie Holmes’ father would allow this. He and the team surrounding Katie had shown themselves to be much, much more savvy.
And I still believe that Katie is fine with the pren-up. It is the shared custody, and any if at all having Co$ into Suri’s life that she has a problem with.
I believe that is the big divisive point.
She doesn’t want Suri having anything to do with that cult.
Isn’t Sara Northrup Hubbard the one L.Ron Hubbard tortured and told to kill herself? Some more information on Sara and L.Ron’s divorce. He was a real sick bastard.: http://www.xenu.net/archive/ronthenut/northrup.htm
But I’m sure everyone is already aware of all of this lol.
Yes. After reading your link, I can’t help but wonder if the rumors about Suri’s paternity were started for a reason. It might be Tommy’s way of trying to dodge his way out of parenting if Katie succeeds in taking Suri out of Scientology for good. It seems that the precedence has already been set for acrimonious divorces.
@ ME
OMG. I haven’t seen that story before. How absolutely horrific. The petition labels LRH as both “insane and crazy” and his actions certainly were. How in the world can people worship this man??
I think she and her dad would be ok signing anything that gives them full legal custody.
Tom thinks that a signed document will ‘repair’ his image.
I think the Holmes family knows no matter what they sign the CO$ is going down. the village voice blog you linked to is fascinating.
I truly hope others who are waiting to be reunited with loved ones will finally get their wish. The article on the village voice blog about the daughter turning in her mother was heart breaking. I am more interested in the stories about people without high powered fathers and little financial resources.
Thanks, Katie for tipping over the first domino!
Yep, I do. There’s no way this is going to court. Mnormallyy is on it going down just like the VV article. Tom will save face and his cult. He’ll have liberal visitation with Suri. He’ll “promise” not to indoctrinate her until she’s old enough to decide for herself (he’ll break this promise but subtly).. Katie will never speak ill of Scientology and will say it had nothing to do with the divorce. Suri will hopefully end up mostly normal
The End
i read over the weekend there’s a whole foods in her aprtment building. Maybe she wants air or something hard to find. Otherwise, wtf with the papparazzi strolls?
It’s on the same block, but she would still need to leave the building to get into the store. For all we know, she IS going to that store. It’s not like paps need more than two or three steps to get their shots.
I still doubt Tom was blind-sided. Seems like he feeds a BIG fat lie to the public always. What if the church dumped Katie(for looking way to unhappy all the time) and made her file first to save Tom’s public creepy face – but all planned out of course. Is she following orders, or did she truly catch him off guard? I hope so!!!
Also??? I’ve read other blogs where movie crews say it’s common knowledge he is with men on recent sets. Is he really or just super discreet or BS? How much power does he/they have – scary!!!
I read the Village Voice blog and sounds like we will never know the REAL outcome. Katie will never talk. I want to know what went down!
Hey this is SUPER INTERESTING.
This is a link to a transcript of an interview Australian tv personality Andrew Denton did with Kate Ceberano, possibly Australia’s most well known Scientologist.
(Just as an aside, our last census indicated Australia has only 2100 practicing Scientologists. We are safe here ; )
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s917578.htm
Read it all. The way Kate describes it, it sounds like a big old hippie commune. Maybe this was before Miscavige the Psychopath took over?
@snowpea – just read the interview and it was pretty interesting. I kept thinking now if only tiny tom could present himself like this Ceberano chick (just an aside I have never heard of her) he would not have as many public image problems. He comes off maniacal and super defensive and she comes off like you said laid back and hippyish in a good way. Though when I was reading about how they blame illness on other people and associate it with not being happy it explains a lot and definitely explains tiny toms super maniacal “happy” behavior – he is obviously trying to ward off suppressive people. LOL It is also interesting because, I too think children are over medicated and people resort too easily to mood suppressants, but I also think their are many people who can benefit from pysciatric drugs and people who need serious counseling and I think sometimes people get in these crazy religious cults and they don’t get the proper treatment. I know I was raised in a weird religion and my mom could have benefited from drugs and counseling since she obviously had/has serious mental health issues, but part of the religion was to deny the physical body so basically you keep telling yourself you are made perfect and you can’t be sick or you can’t have any problems.
Oh my god, I just read the divorce case for Ron Hubbard and Sara Northrup and now I know why hed doesn’t believe in psychiatry, he was found to be schizophrenic. Tell that to a narcissist. How can these people believe in this horsesh*t? It is unbelievable that anyone would fall for this guy’s crap. I feel like everytime I click on a link, my first reaction is holy cow or oh my god, something along those lines. This stuff is so unbelievably crazy that I just can’t fathom that anyone would buy into this cult.
@ Snowpea
The same Oz census indicates that around 6,000 people identify their faith as “Jedi Knight” 🙂
I find it interesting that NO one actor is speaking up in her behalf. She was let out of the cage a few times. Then again…was she not well liked, too Tom heavy, or that church? No Hollywood or friend support for her. Is everyone waiting for the Cruise move? Kind of sad.
Interesting, this V’Voice column from last month. Luka Magnotta, the cannibalistic killer was into Scientology and worshipped Tom Cruise. Interesting stuff about Will & Jada’s deep involvement in a Scientology school just below that article, too.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/06/luka_magnottas.php
@LeeLoo I didn’t even think of that…
@Mich , I’m guessing COS doesn’t include this part of L. Ron’s life in their hagiographies about him.