I actually do like Tom Hiddleston. And I’ll defend him on some things, and I’ll call him out on other things. I think at his best, Tom is grown-up geek, a nerd who loves his fans and honestly tries to give them something special. At worst, he’s a total cheeseball and rather conceited and famewhore-y. There’s a little bit of everything in Tom’s profile in this week’s Entertainment Weekly “New Hollywood Issue”. Part of me is like, “O RLY, Tom? You’re comparing Loki to Die Hard’s Hans Gruber?!!?” And, “O RLY, you’re name-dropping David O. Russell?!” And another part of me is happy that Tom is gracefully handling the news about Loki not being in The Avengers 2. So, this is a mixed bag:
Whether he’s channeling bow-down-to-me villainy as Loki in The Avengers and Thor or bookish wit as F. Scott Fitzgerald in Midnight in Paris, Tom Hiddleston is one of the most exciting British actors to hop the pond in recent years. And we’re not the only ones who think so.
“I met David O. Russell for dinner when he was in London for Silver Linings Playbook. I just wanted to tell him how much I loved the film. And he basically spent an hour telling me why he thinks Midnight in Paris is the greatest film that’s been made in the last 20 years, and he insisted on taking a picture because he was such a fan of Fitzgerald,” recalls Hiddleston, 31, who’s part of EW’s New Hollywood cover package, on stands now. “And I wanted to say, ‘David, can you please stop? I need to tell you how great your film is!’”
That kind of reaction isn’t unusual for Hiddleston anymore — and it’s not just industry insiders who are starstruck. “I was going through the security machines at Heathrow, and the guard’s eyes went wide, and he said, ‘Oh my God, it’s Loki! Then the whole line turned around. It turned into Comic-Con,” he says. “But I always say, an actor cannot call himself an actor without an audience.”
Fans will get another chance to catch Hiddleston in his Loki cape in Thor: The Dark World (Nov. 8) before he heads to London’s West End to star in Shakespeare’s Coriolanus. (He’s also in Jim Jarmusch’s vampire film Only Lovers Left Alive next year.) And after that, Hiddleston says he’ll let his instincts guide his career choices — a bit of advice he got in an email from Thor director Kenneth Branagh when Hiddleston was pondering a tricky decision.
“It said, ‘There are no wrong decisions. And you will make the right decision.’ It sounds rather Jedi-like. But what he was trying to say was, ‘Don’t live your life in the fear of making the wrong choice. Just go with your gut,’” Hiddleston says. “The people who excite me are the ones who go with their gut. I think of Day-Lewis, Gary Oldman, Bill Murray, Heath Ledger while he was still with us, Pacino, DeNiro, Branagh. They seem to be very quietly confident about their instinct. As actors they have chased the things that inspire them, which end up being even more wonderful than what we could’ve wished.”
Tom Hiddleston’s Loki had some of the best scenes in The Avengers, from bringing an entire crowd in Germany to their knees to getting whipped around like Raggedy Andy by the Hulk. And fans of the mischief-making villain should savor those moments — because Loki won’t be back for the sequel, Avengers: Age of Ultron.
“He’s not in it,” Hiddleston confirms to EW. “Here’s the thing: I don’t think there’s anything else Loki could contribute to The Avengers, narratively. Joss gave me so many wonderful things to do in that first film that we’d only be trying to repeat ourselves, and probably less well in the second one.”
The actor, who earned a spot in EW’s New Hollywood issue for bringing Loki to life with such devilish charm, says there are no hard feelings — he truly believes it’s better for the series to move on without him. “When I think of all the things I loved as a child, for example, Hans Gruber wasn’t in Die Hard 2. And in Indiana Jones, by the time he moved from the Lost Ark to the Temple of Doom, there was a whole new bad guy. I think keeping it fresh and new is good for The Avengers even though it’s a shame for me. And let’s face it, there’s seven or eight of them as it is, and Joss is thinking about adding two more, so the screen’s gonna be a busy place. But I had the time of my life on that film. It was the most fun ever.”
But the character isn’t gone for good: Loki fans can still get their fix on Nov. 8, when Hiddleston reprises the role in Thor: The Dark World. “Oh, I’ve got plenty to do in Thor [2], believe me. A lot of new stuff. It’s a new iteration of the character,” he says. ” It’s a new development. Another trick, another poker game for the god of mischief. And he plays it well.”
[From Entertainment Weekly]
So, Tom just compared Loki to Hans Gruber and Indiana Jones villains. How does that make you feel? Ugh. I mean, I know what he’s trying to say and he’s making the most out of what is probably a big disappointment. Quite honestly, I’m more peeved with his name-dropping and humblebragging about David O. Russell. Tommy, you worked with Steven Spielberg!! REEL IT IN.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
I vomited into my mouth a little. This guy turns my stomach. I detest him.
I can’t hate on that smile and puppy-dog eyes. He seems hyper, is all. If you locked him out of the room he’d whimper and scratch and beg to get in All. Day. Long. And then you’d finally relent and let him in and he’d run up and jump on you and lick you and run in circles, which would make you laugh and wonder why you didn’t want him by your side in the first place.
AGREED.
He seems to be salivating over his own celebrity, which hopefully won’t last long.
Is he an overzealous and geeky cute puppy? Yes! Is that a bad thing? Nope. I don’t care. Still love him! I just can’t hate The Hiddles. That being said, that won’t ever stop me from being critical of him when warranted/ when he’s a being a bit of a tit. Hiddleston honey, sometimes you need to reel it in and shut your lovely cake-hole.
Ha, overzealous. Youve got to be kidding. Thats as vain an article as you can get.
And I stand with you, Allons. Smack him around? Sure (and he would enjoy it.) But hate Tommyanna? Nope.
This js pretty much where I stand. I just wish he would stop with all of this nonsense. It’s sad.
j.eyre, you’re alive!!!!
I knew I’d find you on a Hiddles post! 😀
Hello Kronster, darling. Just because you can’t see me, doesn’t mean I am not here…
I would insert some form of maniacal laugh here but t just comes out like a goose honking so let’s skip that, shall we?
@j.eyre
lolz at the “goose honking”.
I just really missed you, that’s all. 😀
We need to have a serious discussion over why a guy can get away with this, while a girl would be finished if she attempted even half of Hiddles bs.
Oh come on, everyone knows that when a man is ambitious and full of himself he is just stepping up to take that to which he is entitled, which makes him a leader.
A woman doing the same thing is a pushy, aggressive bitch who needs to be brought down.
…There have just as many dissenters of this as there are people that are okay with it, and it’s like that with *every* post I’ve seen here regardless of the gender. I think you guys selectively see things sometimes, geez…
I agree with you, Monty. If this had been an Amber Heard interview, everyone here would be ripping her to shreds but because it’s “Hiddles” with his smile and puppy dog eyes, it’s ok for him to be narcissistic.
Are actors allowed to ask the journalist to read back what they just said? Because they ALL should probably start doing that.
Lol. This.
Also, it’d be a lot more fair if the reporters printed the questions as well as the responses. There’s a difference between randomly bringing up your dinner with a famous director, and bringing it up when you’ve just been asked something like, “do you think the role has bought you any recognition in Hollywood?” or something like that.
I want more context before I get too judgy.
EXACTLY. I feel like I’m misunderstanding or they really are idiots lol.
There seems to be 1 rule for Hiddleston and 1 for Cumberbatch. Benedict would get annihilated by women on this board if he said the nonsense Hiddleston does.
@ hols – if you were Hiddleston, and you read this thread, I think you’d pretty much feel annihilated. There’s much more criticism than there is praise.
… but who has that kind of time – to read back a TH answer!?
Are actors allowed to ask the journalist to read back what they just said? Because they ALL should probably start doing that so they can stop sounding like a**holes.
Why is he a geek? Or nerd? I mean, I’m not English so maybe I don’t understand those terms, but I don’t think he is a nerd. Those terms are being waay overused lately.
I like him.
Because he’s obsessed with his character Loki.
I’m obsessed with Loki! (No harm no foul)
This Venn diagram might help: http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/nerd-venn-diagram-20110626-192132.jpg
To the extent that Hiddles is smart and obsessed (e.g., with Loki and Shakespeare) he’s a geek. When he’s simultaneously being smart, obsessed and socially inept (e.g., in this interview) he’s being a nerd.
(Bringing a Venn diagram to a gossip site would be a combination of intelligence and social ineptitude … so I think I just proved myself a dweeb.)
I like him too…
Jeez, if a WOMAN had given such a painful interview…let’s just say that there would be no question mark after humble-bragging and pitchforks and stakes would be rolled out on this site. This guy is full on PAINFUL. It hurts how douchey he is. It hurts.
I’m cringing at how douchetastic this guy is. Honestly though, I think he’s just incredibly insecure. Guys that feel a need to constantly talk about how great they are usually have some serious self-esteem issue.
Yes, that was my take on his comments, too. The part about turning Heathrow into Comic Con? That really smacked of insecurity.
+2. I started to get how insecure he is when I saw all the video reels of impressions he did – in interview after interview, on the red carpet, during a Comic Con panel… It was very “see how awesome I can be!” Good impressions, but overdone.
Or a micro penis.
Hiddles doesn’t seem to be suffering from a micro-penis. I’m too lazy to google some pics for you, but it’s been discussed here on Hiddles’ posts quite a bit in the last few months.
I haven’t looked *that* closely, of course. 😉
I rather think the whole point is that you DON’T have to look that closely … it kind of leaps out. 😉
He makes my skin crawl. He’s absolutely nauseating. Any other actor being so up his own ass would be called out by the press. He needs taking down a peg or two.
Oh, all that pales into insignificance compared to the utter tosh he was spouting while pimping The Hollow Crown at PBS, which has been all over Twitter. I just want him to stop stop stopstopstopstop with the triteness, truisms, banalities and self-help cliches and just come out with One Single Actual Opinion.
Every time I start to forget I’m annoyed with the little Marshwiggle, he goes somewhere, opens his mouth, and I get yet another overwhelming urge to smack him.
*Quietly* According to Hayley Atwell’s twitter, the Capa film is “on hold.” That has got to be a disappointment. Coriolanus and a muppet cameo are about it for this year.
There are many things I like about him and lately I have badly, badly wanted to be generous. Then this comes out.
Humble bragging? Where’s the humble part
That’s awful thin, ain’t it? What is the problem? He’s not being cast by ANYONE? Surely things aren’t that bad in Marshwigglesville? He’s got a sense of entitlement and is being too picky? Down on him as I can be, he doesn’t strike me as a guy to turn stuff down. I don’t get it.
It doesn’t make sense to me– I can’t imagine he doesn’t have offers, and I’m sure he is auditioning hard, but even not compared to Cumberbatch and Hemsworth, this is pretty thin.
Welp, there’s the Joanna Hogg film Exhibition which was filmed at the beginning of the year. Black Wings Has My Angel is on hold. It’s not that bad. Redmaine has shit going on this year. Even Fassbender doesn’t have much lined-up for the rest of the year. X-men and hitting the festival circuit.
Meanwhile Cumberbatch seems to take everything he can get his hands on. I’ve just read he (and John Malkovich) is going to voice “Penguins of Madagascar”
Fassbender’s Assassin Creed movie is really a thing or is it just a rumour?
I think he’s holding out for high-profile stuff, or really smart indies. Neither of which are coming his way, apparently.
The problem is, I think anyway, that he’s on the cusp of both.
He’s done the big action (Marvel) and has done the smaller indie films (Only Lovers) and each could be cancelling out his appeal to the other market, you know?
He hasn’t really got the box office clout (or the studios don’t think he does..yet) and the smaller indies might not want the shadow of “Loki” and his fans affecting how the work is perceived.
Either way, he’s had a relatively quite year, compared to 2012 and while actors do go through stints of bulk filming, then bulk promotion, 2013 has been fairly quiet in comparison. He needs to get some decent work, fast.
That’s just my 2 cents
I think that’s it. Plus, he was last year’s It Boy. Now it’s Cumby’s turn and interest in Hiddles is drying up. But, instead of putting his nose to the grindstone, he’s trying to whip up interest the wrong way.
@Fanty – I said in a thread a week or so back that Tom could learn the virtue of patience from RDJ and the Brits who are making it big stateside. Tom has (relative) youth as his advantage, seeing as Cumberbatch, Fassbender, RDJ, etc didn’t start gaining real momentum until their late thirties. And maybe if he had more confidence in himself, he could have had made something of his on-the-cusp It Boy status. Now he is chomping at the bit to hit it big any way he can.
However (and I say this as a big IF), if he can just take a step back, find a good management team (or someone to give him a damn pep talk) and put his dues in, I think he could actually make it just as big at the other Hollywood Brits. Look at the crowd when he stepped out as Loki at Comicon. The man has that spark that makes you want to watch him.
ProBeer,
Yes and no. I agree he’s got some years to build a CV like some of the older boys, but Hollywood is fickle and he’s already a year away from breaking out in a blockbuster and hasn’t capitalized on that. When the Assange movie comes out, Cumby will still be the guy from Star Trek, which will be making the rounds on DVD. TommyAnne missed that boat and is now playing catch-up.
Miss Fanty,
Actors don’t control when a movie comes out. Cumberbatch has been lucky/unlucky that all of these movies are coming out around the same time. I say unlucky because of the shit Jude Law got a few years ago when he was in every other movie. I feel icky (not really, but I’m tired and can’t think of a better word) saying one person needs to be at this point in their career because their peers are at xyz doing x, y and z. I don’t think an actor in general has as much choice as one would think. Hiddles in particular probably isn’t getting the types of scripts he wants at this point, who knows. Not really his fault. As a Bale historian, I can tell you that he lost more parts to DiCaprio, Pitt et al, in his early career before landing Batman Begins. He’d been an actor for more than a decade at that point. His career was close to breakthrough for the longest time. He made some shit movies. Equilibrium, anyone? And I watched every one of them.
This guy will have a bit of an uneven career. And mainstream/a-list status is probably still a few years away. Even considering Marvel, as huge as it is, is still pretty niche and getting crowded. I don’t think he is obligated to catch up to anyone. If he’s smart and self-aware he could build an interesting resumé, but it shouldn’t be because he is imitating another person’s career path. I guess let him do him is alls am saying. 🙂
Hey thar, Miss Rose,
Again, yes and no. I do think he’s been unlucky with regards to patchy movies, but when an actor gets hot, and agents see that coming, there are a lot of opportunities that come their way, while they’re fresh and new. Most actors have a year where they’re in one HUGE movie and in a dozen smaller projects, because they’re taking every job that the hype brings their way. That’s why many actors have a period of time where they’re everywhere (hence the golden age of Cumby we are presently enjoying). Hiddles doesn’t seem to have capitalized on that, and has lost his freshness. Hence, the catch-up.
And as a Bale historian, may I please congratulate you on your boy’s masterpiece, Reign of Fire, one of my secretly-favorite movies.
@T.Fanty,
Don’t get me started on Reign of Fire. It’s on Netflix, you know. He was saddled with the promo for that one because M McConaughey (Sp?) didn’t want anything to do with that movie. True facts!
But back to this boy Hiddles. I see your point. However, T-Hids is in most cases a casting director’s second or third choice after Fassbender, Hardy, Cumberbatch, and Redmaine have said no. So that lining up of projects is probably still a while away.
I say go and find smaller projects that aren’t dying to get one of these guys. Or find untested talent that could use a relatively famous name. He can allow himself a little-seen movie project where the pressure is minimal and he can test his range. Hids go make a “Captain Corelli’s Mandolin ” and get your naked ass spanked by the elder villager and try your hand at a Portuguese accent. Live a little.
“Hids go make a “Captain Corelli’s Mandolin ” and get your naked ass spanked by the elder villager and try your hand at a Portuguese accent. Live a little.”
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MRS. EYRE? MRS. EYRE? JAAAAANE! LETS GO FIND AN OLD GREEK LADY STAT! I’VE GOT AN IDEA!
*puts on a black shawl and eye-pencils in some wrinkles on my brow*
σας κάλεσε?
O Fanty, I love you, you dashing old Greek lady, you! Here is a wooden spoon. Please have at it.
@ Fanty – can I come, too?
@ LilyRose – my younger son thinks Reign of Fire is one of the best films he’s ever seen. I kid you not (and privately despair).
It’s over-eager puppy-dog Tom. “You like me, you really like me!” (Yes, I know that’s a mis-quotation.) I can only roll my eyes and try to forget I ever heard about it.
Cumberbatch mentioned in his print EW piece that he and Hiddleston became friends doing War Horse, and now it was nice because they were going through some of the same things. Can you even imagine those conversations?
I’m wondering how that would even work- Tommy and Cumby? I mean, one’s ego would have to win, I doubt they’d have the patience to listen to the other prattle on and name drop. Either that or the epic one-upmanship would commence. ANd yet, somehow, I like them both-ha!
Aw, I think Hiddles is mostly harmless and maybe over eager. Sometimes, though, I do have to roll my eyes and just kind of back away when he gets into humble-brag mode.
Hiddleston just seems like an overzealous puppy. Cumberalien is like a disease that spreads like black oil.
Black oil…of talent!
Miss Jane says this of Cumby, but for me it’s true of TommyAnne: I can’t read his interviews. When I read them, I cringe, but when I hear him talk, I don’t mind the geekiness at all. I don’t think he translates well into print.
I LOVE his voice. His voice does to me what Cumby’s voice does to most others.
It’s all about the tone. I always thought the Batch was a prissy arsehole based on written interviews until I actually saw a taped interview complete with facial expressions and hand gestures. Hiddleston is a bit of the same, except he’s always trying to be serious and thoughtful. I prefer his funny interviews, making velociraptor noises, etc.
Oh god, that’s what made me fall in love with him. That, and his total fanboying over Hemsworth.
Yes. Except the Dino thing is getting old. When I imagine him saying the Hans Gruber/ Indy stuff, it just sounds as though he’s thinking aloud. The David O. Russell bit is shameless, though. Cumby has a reputation for unbridled garrulousness and he can’t even pull off the name dropping. TommyAnne cultivates an image of control and intelligence, so that kind of talk just seems calculated.
I just want to burn this one. I like his dorkiness. Such as we get to see in the Nerd HQ spot, and I can look the other way on his silly self help clichés. But this.
TommyAnnE, I want so much to like you again. Stoooooooooppppp.
Sorry Fanty! I went off and did some work and then took my book to the garden. I’m currently in the process of splitting my Twitter into work and play accounts. When it’s done, I’ll wait until we’re around together again and leave you my new name there.
I think the “listen don’t read” rule applies to Tommyanna as well.
I just give him more leeway because I want to strap a leash on him and make him bark like a dog.
You say that like it has anything to do with his interview style.
That is how I interview him. If I don’t like what he is saying, I stick a bone in his mouth… among other things.
I don’t interview him either. I would cut out his tongue, but that would be problematic given the stuff I *am* prepared to do with him on the days I’m not smacking him in a non-rude punishment way.
Sixer – why would you ever de-tongue a man who is that desperate to please?
Because I’m the kind type. I don’t keep them in my dungeon ALL the time. And I concede they may need to talk when they’re on their 30 minutes of daily freedom. It’s just that Puddletom is NEVER allowed to talk to ME.
Oh. Edit. I thought you said why would you want to and then not. Or something. I think my reading contains wish fulfillment today. And my writing contains poor editing (I’m an editor). I’m getting muddled between US and UK double consonanting. Oh dear. The day and my posts are going downhill.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say that was my writing, not your reading.
What do you edit? Just out of curiosity. I’m smitten with you and your ability to recognize every random reference I throw your way.
All sorts (I freelance from home, which is why I can be here so often), but my favourite area is children’s (well, young adult) literature. I have a lit degree, though, which is probably why I see you and you see me. You’re theatre, right?
An editor, you say?
*raises eyebrow*
Why, Ms. Sixer, have I told you how lovely you look today? Oh, don’t eat those scones – they’re from yesterday. Just give those to Fanty. Here is a nice new batch I just pulled from the oven. Lavender jelly?
I accept your lavender jelly and reciprocate with some lemon curd (it’s not subtle, but it has good coverage).
Seriously: I’m an editor because I can do it from home, and enabled to make home the West Country and not London. I love London (brought up there) but I wanted me some country living.
Heyyyyyy now.
And Sixer – in Miss Jane’s head, she now owns you. You drank the kook-aid. Or ate the tea-cakes. Try to ignore her stroking your leg right there.
That’s a great job – especially if you do want the luxury of being out of London Tahn. I assumed you were something literary. I’m an academic. My research and background is theatre, but my department is English.
Then we are almost kindred souls, Fanty!
I think we should all sit down to a nice cream tea. Leg-stroking welcome.
On a different note: Look at what just fell into my mailbox!
http://lanternhollowpress.com/2013/08/02/exhilarating-early-moderns-william-shakespeares-thor/
@ Sixer. Yes. I’m on twitter. Come find me.
(deleted name. Let me know if you’re around and need me to repost briefly)
@Sixer – as anyone who has ever met me will tell you, the thing I need most in life is an editor. And lemon curd.
And I do not stroke your leg because I feel I own you… it’s just a very nice leg.
Sixer? You are an editor? I am a writer. A poet to be exact, but I also write things that people read.
Lit degree and an utterly useless MFA in creative writing.
We need to talk more!
@Miss Eyre,
Jane, will you please stop putting My Batch in the oven! I don’t care if you are about to pull him out & he’s nice & fresh. The oven dries out his lovely soft curls.
I can’t watch him *every* minute, you know.
@ Fanty – I replied in the wrong place as usual. Will post my personal Twitter when it’s properly up and running at the earliest time we’re both about together.
@ everyone – ladies! I KNEW there was a reason I was so tempted to post here. There’s a great deal we all share – and I’m not talking about sex toys.
I’ll always like the geekiness. Subtract the bragging, and I am fine with this interview.
Hemsworth and Hiddleston in one day? It’s like Kaiser heard my prayers!
The only REALLY obnoxiously show-offy part is the David O Russel story. Tommy, it’s tacky to talk about other people fangirling/ fanboying you! I’m also trying to decide if I like or hate the ‘actor needs an audience’ comment – on the one hand it’s a refreshing change from all those I AM AN ARTISTE! typed, but on the other, WE GET IT, EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU AND LOVES YOU. Otherwise he’s his eager puppy self.
Amen!!!
I think he needs to get his philosophy straight: either he trusts his gut or he needs his fans. Which is it TommyAnnE?
Do the work you really believe in, and it will find the right audience. You do not need to chase your audience or count your twitter followers. Neediness does not hit it.
Oh how I long for those days when I loved on him in total obliviousness of his famewhorey ways – and then I met you, CBitches!
Oh but, it’s still worth lurking over the Loki thread on Datalounge. Is it bad to confess to lurking on Datalounge? Hey ho. I do that. They’re still on about Jane Arthy, who has followed a Thor 2 Twitter account. Sure evidence that they’re NOT going out all. She’s throwing herself at him Twitter-style. Apparently.
The data lounge crowd is brutal! I kind of love them for that, though.
The bottom line here is that he’s hot, but annoying. Plenty of women coast by on that combo. He needs to stop being cheap and hire serious management to promote him and coach him on subtlety in interviews.
Way to precis, Fanty! On the button.
I love Datalounge generally, but in particular the threads about heartthrobs taken over by fangirls from elsewhere. Every now and again a regular butts in waspishly and it’s all very entertaining. I don’t have the chops to post though. Somehow it feels rude what with me being female and straight.
That’s my feeling about lurking there. And, I don’t want a fangirl taking over, because I’m quite enjoying their speculation on whether he’s a dom or a sub, and I want to hear more of it. I fear that such talk over here would get me cast into moderation limbo.
I used to frequent DL, LSA, and ONTD, but I guess when you’ve been lurking long enough, the story patterns start to repeat. Too many people trying to post straight up fan fiction, rather unimaginative fan fiction at that.
Has the LSA post about how TommyAnne’s signing for a bigger agency (one that goes by the Hollywood package system) is costing him roles? I’ve been away so it’s probably been discussed by now. Anyhow, the increased famewhoring may be him trying to gain more public attention that he can leverage to get himself in a better package.
@Drea, I have heard nothing about this, and have no idea how the system works– although I do know it is a system, and a very ruthless one based on numbers and box office pull. If it is what I think, it could be a very, very bad move for him.
What the skinny on what you have heard?
@Crumpets: Wait, before anything, I’m still sleep-deprived so I may have smudged two different items together. I just remembered that Tom is with WME, right? And the package thing was mainly about CAA, I think. Too bad I can’t quote directly right now because LSA’s still down (I wonder who one of the incogs pissed off again). However, I’m not sure if this info is from the same set of posts that was copied straight off of ONTD, so the info might be there as well.
Anyhow, from what I remember, Tom’s career may be in trouble because he left his old agency to sign with WME, thinking he just got himself a big, powerful agent, when, in reality, he’s being handled by the big agent’s flacks. According to the post, he was pursued as a client because he’s a good actor who’ll be working steadily (and making them money) for many years, but it was never in the plans to groom him for major stardom. There are just too many people ahead of him in the hierarchy of agent’s favorites. Considering it was his old agency that got him his only big movie roles to date, Tom leaving them for these guys might seem like a bit of karmic retribution.
As for the package thing (sorry for mixing it all up), that’s about how CAA has these packages (groupings or lists of actors) that filmmakers need to choose from when hiring a cast. I guess it started as a savings things–pick from the same package, which can consist of 50 or so people, and you get a discount. If you’ve ever wondered how pre-Oscar boom JLaw was cast as young Mystique, a lot of that has to do with her being in the same package as Fassbender and some other people in the cast. Sure, she’s done well in the role, but she’s not exactly the first person you think of when casting v1.0 of a bombshell like Rebecca Romijn, right? This is also one of the reasons David OR is really happy keeping the Cooper-Lawrence combo together, they’re all in the same package. The system’s evolved to the point that if the headliner chosen from a package quits or is fired, the rest of the lesser actors from the package are let go as well.
@Crumpets: LSA’s back up so if you want to read the other gossip about Hiddles (like how he tried to make a coffee date behind his girlfriend’s back) and more details about package dealing, this is a good place to start: http://bit.ly/15GFkCe.
@Drea – Good lord, it sounds like a groupon deal with actors. Or worse – like a quieter version of the Old Hollywood Studio System. It’s ridiculous. Which naturally begs the question of why anyone would want to break into that as a career (that’s a rhetorical question) and who is going to be the Olivia de Havilland that takes on the system and beat them at their own game (that is NOT rhetorical question, and i encourage any “speculation” on that).
The saddest part isn’t how Tom is getting shafted by the CAA, but that the adorable little girl from Beasts of the Southern Wild who blew us all away isn’t going to get better roles because of her small agency. Ugh.
@ Drea,
Holy crap that sounds as depressing as hell. This is why actors are crazy.
That said, I kind of love the idea that Tom is a groupon actor. That’s horrific, yet funny.
Links please… Nothing wrong with lurking. I was a lurker here before I gained the courage to comment.
I like the Loki character and I’m ok about Tom for the most part but this is a perfect example on why actors should only say the lines fed to them. Every time they say something on their own, they’re mostly a disaster.
“I am an exceptional thief and villain, Mr Loki wuss. And since I’m moving up to smacking the back of your head, you should be more polite”
Sincerely, Hans Gruber.
He seems like a sweet guy, corny, but sweet. But I don’t find him that attractive.
He needs to hop off his Tumblr thread every once and awhile. He so believes what they post about him.
His “name-dropping” doesn’t bother me at all. Tom is not only a geek but a huge movie fan. He “fangirls” actors and movies he likes all the time. He used to do it often on his twitter.
Tom is no worse and no better than most actors. He has a geek enthusiasm and by all accounts from people who know him personally is extremely generous and kind. I have seen BC on talk shows where his behaviour felt false and cringe worthy but in other situations he comes over as intelligent and well thought out. Most actors are selling themselves in someway or other either by an “I do not care attitude” or “I am way to clever for this film and have to help rewrite the script” which personally I find equally egotistical and self serving. As for this year he had a film at Cannes and that rates higher than a few block buster roles in my book. Actors go through peaks and troughs. Tom is no worse and no better than any of the others in his pursuit of his career. I go by the acting not the hype and having studied dance and drama for two years, followed community and west end performances for many, many years I admire the dedication with which he puts into his performances and admire his acting style. I also am reminded that how you perceive others says as much about you as it does about the person you are discussing. As the saying goes haters gonna hate and negativity is more than often in the eye of the beholder
“Tom is grown-up geek, a nerd who loves his fans and honestly tries to give them something special. At worst, he’s a total cheeseball and rather conceited and famewhore-y.”
100% Agree. I’m so over him.
He’s a total cheeseball.
And Loki in The Avengers (I never saw Thor) is one of the worst superhero villains of all time. What a dweeb he was.
It’s upsetting to see him come off as so full as himself. I want to bask in the glory of my crush on him but he makes it’s hard. Same goes for Benedict Cumberbatch, Michael Fassbender, Henry Cavill etc. Fyi boys…..humbleness is sexy.
Pretty much all the English actors suck (giant egos, past racism, rumors of violence)
HAHHAHAH sucks for all the Anglophiles.
I think our nicest ones avoid going transatlantic, Jen. We keep ’em in house when we can. 😉
Jen,
No no no. Honey, most English actors discussed on this site do not suck, but are complex, endlessly intriguing souls who keep giving. Just when you think you’ve figured them out, they’ll come up with some new whims and you’re hooked again 🙂
For example Tommy and Cumby. You either love them or love to hate them…
A blanket statement like that leads me to think that perhaps there is some trans-Atlantic culture clash.
@Sixer
“I think our nicest ones avoid going transatlantic, Jen. We keep ‘em in house when we can.”
And keep doing on so, please.
Hollywood doesn’t deserve them!
All the English actors suck?
????
EsCon – I read that as “Hollywood is smelly and doesn’t deserve nice people” – but I may be wrong.
I have never seen anyone on that list besides Hiddleston come across as cocky-particularly Cavill who always seems a little shy and awkward in interviews for someone who’s face looks hand crafted by Zeus.
@Side-eye: He across better in live interviews than he does in print.
@Miss M Which one, Cavill or Hiddleston?
I don’t know. Cumberbatch’s sense of humour has spectacularly failed to translate on more than one occasion – Downton Abbey, anyone?
Why do I get the impression he’s deliberately ‘talking himself up’? And that it comes across as a teensy bit insecure, even desperate. Like he’s trying to say: “Yes, I’m famous, I’m popular, people really like me, you know”.
Well, yes some of us do. But what of it? Methinks he’s overdoing it a smidge.
Okay, the Russell stuff was over the top. But I didn’t read the other bit as comparing Loki to to Gruber et al, I read it as “these are villain performances I admire/aspire to, so if there is a parallel I am okay with it”. I don’t really see what’s wrong with that?
I read it that way, too.
you are right -its all about how people choose to perceive it -most interviews are a bit like a good script and can be taken in a myriad of ways with currents of subtext. But what we see is a snippit of who they are and most of what we choose to perceive is guess work based on on who we are. Tom to my mind speaks from the heart but this is my perception and not as statement of fact. I do think there are some cultural differences which can affect our understanding of how people function but in the end you go with your gut and my bullshit detector says he is no worse than most people in the limelight. I actually read the Russel? comments as the director admiring Woody Allen not Tom and thought it was quite amusing especially as I can understand a younger director fanning Woody. The best directors and actors are often the ones that are passionate over performances, theatre and films and have a little bit of the fan boy/girl in them.
Devil’s advocate here: the interviews *are* edited before being printed/posted so we’re not seeing the entire thing and it may not be as humble-braggy IRL. However, I think Tom DOES do that (on purpose or just because he has no filter, who knows) and at the moment is in the throes of trying to make sure he HAS a sustainable career, so maybe the name dropping to show he has ‘relevance’. He needs new management, I think… He’s a fantastic actor but is either not getting scripts, or he’s not getting material he wants to/can work with.
Something’s definitely going wrong. And I would like to see him do well (although I’d like him to learn to button it more).
Yeah, it seems like he’s at sea lately. for a while he was doing a strong rise but now he’s hit a plateau and it looks like, from this POV, his representation isn’t doing much in the way of ensuring their client stays their client.
Word.
He isn’t getting the parts that will move his career forward. I don’t believe he is turning things down and being picky– he is hustling with everything he has, and it shows in this interview. I wish he had a better publicist who could help him manage this in a way that would be less embarrassing.
I thought the same about the interview– who knows what else he said, or what context brought on all this name dropping.
A lot of fans dislike Luke Windsor since it seems his PR has taken a weird, desperate turn since he took on Luke in that role. I don’t know about his agency but I do remember he changed a year or so ago, from a smaller one to a bigger one, and it seems like he’s lost in the shuffle of a bigger firm whereas, at a smaller one, he was at least getting consistent, albeit small, films (The Joanna Hogg ones, etc).
good point about editing it can really impact on what was actually intended in a positive or negative way. We are only getting a few snippits of what was probably a half hour plus panel. I really wish we could see a broadcast but as far as I know that will not happen,
Part of me thinks this new wave of UK talent are being told to be more confident to get noticed in the US.
Humble & self-effacing doesn’t seem to have done much for the Hollywood careers of David Tennant, Matt Smith or Eddie Redmayne.
Cumberbatch, Hiddleston & Cavill all seem to be trying the same tack of exuding confidence but more often than not, they come across as kinda clunky & awkward.
I guess they can’t all be Hardys or Fassbenders.
Hold on now. Dont put Cumberbatch in Hiddleston’s big head category. Cumberbatch is mega talented and is getting the roles he deserves. He doesnt have to sell himself hard like this guy. Hiddleston isnt good enough to wipe Cumberbatch’s arse.
Blimey. I think Cumby’s talented, but I don’t think there’s that huge a gulf that we should be dropping trousers and baring bums over it. Hiddles has some chops. There’s a post today about Ben Whishaw. For me, he can blow both Cumby and Hiddles out of the water. But that’s just me. And my trousers are firmly up. 😉
No no, I agree that Cumby is more talented than Hiddles, but they both have suffered from giving cringey interviews that appeared to backfire – Cumby with his posh complaining & Hiddles with his humble-bragging.
Cumby may not be as try-hardy as Hiddles but I think they both suffer from talking too much.
I get you, Mena. It was Sarah’s arse-wiping that bothered me slightly!
Yea dont compare Cumberbatch with Hiddleston or Cavill…his talent speaks for itself. The roles come to him because he is talented not because he is kissing someone’s ass for it.
Cumberbatch has arrived late than Hardy and Fassbender in Hollywood, so give him some time and I am sure he’ll be at the same level as them or maybe even surpass them
Thanks Sixer!
Abby, yeah, I’m not saying Cumby isn’t talented – he is. I’m talking about their PR.
There’s no denying that Cumby, Hiddles & Cavill have had some PR blunders.
In interviews, Hardy & Fassbender come across as being confident without being self-absorbed. So, it is possible to do.
I think Cumby, Hiddles & Cavill have all tried to present themselves as confident (perhaps even being professionally encouraged to do so) but IMO none of them have pulled it off yet.
@Mena…I understand what you mean. The thing is Batch had always been under-confident…lol is that even the right word anyways you probably get what I mean.
I have never seen Batch brag about what some actor told him like Hiddles does. With Hiddles its like more than the world he wants to remind himself again and again that he has fans and he is popular.
Cumberbatch is happy in his space and he doesn’t need the assurance from himself or anyone that he has fans or he is talented.I have to say his fandom is very loyal to him irrespective of some hiccup giving interviews (like complaining about posh living etc). But see there too I felt he was being criticized too much. He has the right to say whatever he likes and that’s one quality that at least I like about him.
I am sure with time he will gain confidence…I mean I don’t blame a guy being insecure a little considering how much hate he gets for his looks and being honest I was one of those people too who was his hater because he didnt look the certain way. But seeing his talent and charming personality, I am certainly a proud fan now
Cumberbatch seems to be getting enough work to keep 2-3 people busy. And he has enough varied work out there already for anyone to see, if they’re considering him for a part.
I’ve forgotten what role this was, but I recall hearing that Tom Stoppard wanted Cumby for Parades End because of something much smaller that he had seen him do.
I doubt that Cumby will have to scramble for work or worry about not getting offers. He is probably past that stage.
I’d actually wondered about that, too…? I dunno. Maybe it’s a phase? Although, you can come off as confident, without having to brag about yourself and name drop everyone you know. But, again… who knows.
Also, I didn’t realize Tennant had tried to cross over?
@sixer. I couldnt agree more about Ben Whishaw being more talented than them both. The thing is Ben has none of the need for the media attention that Cumberbatch and Hiddleston has. If anyone is the new Day Lewis its Ben, Not Hiddleston.
Yeah, that’s kinda how quickly David Tennant’s attempt at breaking the US market came & went. Blink & miss it.
It was around the time that he did the Fright Night remake with Colin Farrell. David had filmed a TV pilot for I think it was NBC. It was being touted as a potential flagship show but then NBC dropped it before it even aired and that was it – back to England.
LOL! You should see a clip. His accent is breaking through the entire time. It’s too funny. I love the man, but that clip lol. It’s obvious why they dropped it. As adorable as he is, he can’t do a convincing American accent. So distracting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4cqRsvu9t0
@mena yes, it was a blink and you miss it. I think that’s good for him because people think he doesn’t want a career here. It makes him seem humble.
I think it’ll prove for the best for Tennant. He’ll be one of our national treasure TV actors who always gets work – and the best parts. Something like John Simm.
This is like the English actor version of that time period in music during the late 90’s-early 00’s where there were all of these little blonde, teen, pop singers.
Fassbender = Britney Spears. He’s the one that burst on the scene and made everyone pretty much lose their sh*t. Everyone trying to collaborate with him and have him in their movie. They both have that natural “it” factor and the ability to draw people in. Plus, when you scratch the surface they’re both kind of a mess and seem as if it wouldn’t take much for them to go off the tracks.
Cumberbatch = Christina Aguilera. He has raw talent that few can deny, but for some reason can never out shine his competition. Plus their both major b*tches and no matter how much they try to hide it or down play it, everyone knows it. Though, I would greatly love to see his version of a “Dirrty” phase.
Hardy = Jessica Simpson. He’s talented too, but people seem to go on more about his looks (his lips = her boobs.) They both have the kind of personality that makes come off as kind of simple/earthy/non-pretentious. They also, both seem needy in relationships. Like Simpson, Hardy is also getting into fashion.
Hiddleston = Mandy Moore. Much like Moore’s sad attempt to fit into the cookie-cutter image of a blonde poptart, Hiddleston doesn’t seem to be really fitting into this leading actor, major Hollywood player role that he or his people are trying to shoe horn him into. Just read these interviews, they’re about as awkward and cringeworthy as Mandy’s dancing in “Candy”. I think like Mandy, he’ll find his niche in this industry but it’ll be some less glamourous. He’s not really about that A-list, Hollywood life.
Cavill = Hoku. Who? Exactly. She had that big hit song called “Perfect Day” that everyone was jamming to for like a minute and than was never heard from again. Replace “Perfect Day” with “Superman” and you pretty much have Cavill’s career outside or after the franchise.
Now before their respective e-gangs, I mean fans come for me, know that this was all written in good fun. So please sheath your lady shanks.
PS. I couldn’t think of anyone that fit Willa Ford, so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Colin Farrell, maybe??
@Jinni OMG tht was the best comparison ever hahahha I loved your analysis. Keep them coming girl
Jinni, that was amazing! True story – I only knew Hoku’s “Not Another Dumb Blonde” song. I didn’t know she did “Perfect Day”. I love that song!
That being said, I would say both Cavill and Hiddles are Mandy Moore AND Hoku. They can trade-off. I would also compare Colin Farrel to P!nk, and make Jonathon Rhys Meyers Willa Ford (minus the dating a boy band member. They all did that in the nineties).
@theypromisedmebeer:
I thought Moore and Hiddles were a better fit because he at least has his theater background to fall back on, just like Mandy got into more folky music. I think Cavill will probably not really make it in any form of acting and disappear like that other chick did.
I never would have thought of P!nk = Farrell because she would probably die if she was ever lumped in with those poptarts, but I can kind of see it. I totally forgot about Meyers.
But, both of these guys came out before this new batch of Brits. I can’t think of anyone that’s just came out on the scene to really fit Willa. But thanks for the suggestion!:)
@jinni
This is one of the best posts I’ve read in a while. I wonder… what about Mcavoy?
@Agnes – I instantly thought of Jewel for McAvoy: he’s more of the indie level (Jewel is part of the Lillith Fair set), but he can go mainstream when he needs to (see: 0304 and her work with VH1 Divas, he does X-Men and that crazy Illumanati assassins movie w/Angelina Jolie). He has also been on the Hwood scene for a little bit longer than those guys, just like Jewel compared to the blond pop singers.
I like the comparisons but have to disagree re others overshining Cumberbatch. Noone overshines the Batch.
Fassbender, Farrell and Meyers are not British actors though, they are Irish and Ireland is not a part of Britain or the UK.
I’m soooo glad you pointed this out, Amy. I think people have a habit of too often making that mistake.
Difficult when you start to categorise-based on what I have seen I actually have more admiration for Tom and BC’s talent than the Fassbinder or Hardy but I can understand that others feel differently. A lot of it is down to what films you like, the style of acting and basically what you want from that actor in a role. But they are all good actors in their way its just that currently Tom and BC because they have just come on the USA scene have more focus on them at the moment. This will change -suspect it may be Matt Smith next.
Unfortunately for Tom, he’s having to sell himself purely through interviews as opposed to his acting because he just isn’t getting any roles whatsoever in which to display his acting chops. Maybe as he said in the Nerd HQ panel, he’s not at the top of anyone’s list at the moment so the role offers just aren’t coming in for him as frequently as he would like. I imagine he constantly has to compete against Hardy, Fassbender and Cumberbatch for the same types of roles. I fear the worst for him and his career if this continues much longer because I do think he is a good actor. He really needs new agents and new PR, stat!
I found that to be the most interesting and real part of the Nerd HQ interview. Actually, the most honest and unrehearsed I have ever heard him.
The whole “I get whatever Fassbender turns down” comment was telling. He seemed deflated and you could see the bruising clearly.
And I found the realness of it very appealing, I might add.
Personally I would be happy if he concentrated more on stage work and picked up a few good HBO roles rather than him getting pushed into taking poor scripts etc
Both Midnight in Paris and Silver Lining Playbook were good enough, but neither one is one of the greatest movies of the last 20 years.
There is one big difference between Hiddleston and Cumberbatch. Cumberbatch works his butt off with lots of quality work, while Hiddleston runs around and visits comic cons and gives weird interviews.
I dont think going to Comic Con is bad…a TON of stars went to comic con, not just him.
Lex,
it’s not bad to go to comic con but I think Birdie meant that BC, beside STID, has interpreted a lot of different and varied characters in quality movies/series that proved how talented and versatile he is. Maybe I’m wrong.
Yes to this.
I know he has done a lot of theatre work and a good number of smaller films but barring Loki and The Hollow Crown, he’s been in very few high profile things(2 of which were Marvel, so he was playing the same character). I personally haven’t seen a huge amount of range from him (I’m not doubting his talent). I think, he got swept up in all the Loki stuff, you could see that with his fans, he fed off it and the result was him not thinking of the bigger picture and having a lot of diverse other stuff lined up.
Look at Cumberbatch (as he’s an easy comparison), while he was filming Star Trek, he already had the Fifth Estate, August:Osage County, and 12 Years lined up, and he’s added on that now with Turing biopic and the 3rd Sherlock.
His parts in some of them may not be big but they are going to be high profile films for him.
I kind of agree that if Hiddleston had been a woman, we’d all be ripping him to shreds. Whenever I start ripping someone into shreds about an interview like this one, it’s generally because they have no talent whatsoever.
And unfortunately that’s a lot of young female actors. I think it’s easier for women (when they’re young) to become a “thing” i.e. known for their tits and ass, than having actual talent. And a lot of them confuse being famous with being talented i.e. “Let me do my damn job”-Ashley Greene.
So when I see an interview like this w/ Hiddleston it makes me giggle and say that he’s so needy and try hard and annoying (same with Anne Hathaway), but will that cause me not to watch a film that I am interested in, that they’re in? No.
But that story with David O. Russell was just painful. I don’t think hearing him tell the story would make it better….it just sounds soooo bad and needy.
He was in midnight in paris? i dont remember him at all, so that says a lot.
Its funny he compares himself to day lewis, etc. They were never this thirsty for attention and fame. He comes across as SO full of himself.
Yep, he played Fitzgerald in Midnight in Paris.
The reason you did not recognise him is because he is able to change his overall personae and mannerisms so it is not obviously him. That is what a really good actor can do.He does not compare himself to Daniel Day Lewis he admires him and how he managed his career. There is a difference. on another point BC has been around longer and has longer CV but Tom although he has not done that much has won awards for a lot of his UK WORK.BC has also won awards but has done a lot more TV stuff that was so so in amongst the good stuff. They are both good actors its just that it was Tom’s year last year and BC’s this year
I think her not remembering means she wasn’t left with a good impression, not that she was absorbed in his amazing chamelonic acting ability. For instance, with someone like Gary Oldman there have been times where I didn’t recognize him because he faded into the character, but I would *always* be asking who the hell that guy was. I don’t see that with Tom, especially in regards to the whole switching mannerism or whatever. Whenever I see a movie with Tom in it, I see *Tom*. But that’s just me.
@Side-Eye
Agree with everything you wrote, especially regarding Gary Oldman. Been watching him since Sid and Nancy- he’s amazing, losing himself in characters.
TH-meh. He was pretty replaceable in: Wallander, Cranford, Midnight in Paris (Corey Stoll and Adrien Brody!)War Horse (all of 10 minutes), even the two indies he made- he wasn’t particularly memorable.
He’s just not a leading man, though he desperately wants to be one. Don’t think he’s awful onscreen- he is just better as part of an ensemble.
Hiddleston was actually good in Midnight in Paris, but it is hard right now to see where his career is going.
In regard to some earlier comments, though–Cumberbatch and Hiddleston are very similar in terms of humble-brag and name-dropping and trying to be front and center all the time. I’m not convinced that there is a huge gulf in talent between them, so I don’t know why Hiddleston is not doing better with this approach.
As for Fassbender and Hardy, since they say virtually nothing they don’t really belong in the “look-at-me” category.
I think the difference between BC’s and Hiddles’ careers comes down to representation. Both are fantastic actors when given the material, both come from similar educational backgrounds, etc… Hiddleston just isn’t getting the scripts and seems to have representation that’s not working in his favor whereas BC seems to have a team that’s busting their asses 24/7.
Best Chandler Bong voice.
“Shut up! Shut up! SHUT UUUUUUPPPP!”
Goodness gracious. This boy is incredibly cringeworthy.
Oh my gosh – that is my favorite Friends outtake of all of them. The scene was pretty good but the outtake is hysterical. PIVOT.
Whenever I want Tommyanna to close that pretty little mouth of his, I shall hear this in my head – thank you… or maybe I will just go find Matthew Perry and make use of him for the day.
No problem!
And now I’m just realizing I misspelled Bing. Lol, it still works Ms Chanandler Bong.
Didn’t care for his EW interview at all, he sounded so pompous I thought he was cumberbatch for a second.
I really think Tom is quite good at what he does. Especially his Shakespeare work.I also dont think posting and talking about Shakespeare like he does is a bad thing…maybe because I would love to geek out about Shakespeare with somebody too lol.
But I get the feeling from every Celebitchy thing that’s posted about him that I’m in the minority on being a fan of him. :/
I like him too.
Just surprised that he seems to be having to go for the ‘hard sell’ in interviews. I can’t help feeling he’s losing ground somehow. Perhaps Coriolanus at the Donmar will bring him some fresh plaudits (and more offers of work).
No, I wouldn’t say you’re the minority. When he first started hitting it big, his posts here were funny (along the lines of the Cumberbatch posts). And most of us *are* fans still, BUT, unlike the blind worship of Tumblr, we see the traits that are inhibiting him from making it even bigger (or anywhere).
That’s why I like this place so much. We can call it like we see it.
I think I get snarky because I would LIKE to be a fan of him but he keeps making it so dashed difficult.
Even the way people (not you, Nicole) speak reverentially about Hiddles and Shakespeare ends up getting my goat. It’s as if he’s one of our greats, but he isn’t. He’s never done a Shakespeare lead before (can’t count Hollow Crown for TV). Coriolanus will be his first. We have dozens of Shakespearean actors in front of him.
I’m down with “TH, a guy who has great Shakespearan potential” but not with “TH, a huge star of the British theatre scene”.
Mind you, I blame the Donmar for that. They’re becoming as famewhorey as the bloody actors they employ.
I think he’s a whole lot of try too hard. He desperately wants to be the next big thing and he’s going for parts that he’s not suited for (cough…The Crow…cough). Not that I blame him, he’s trying to strike when the iron is hot. I think he wants to be a leading man where Hollywood sees him as a supporting/character actor.
Agree he has not done a lot of Shakespeare but every role he has had has been well received by critics . He had a lead role in Cymbeline and in fact played two characters and one an award for it. He played Romeo at Cambridge. He played Cassio and was nominated for an award but lost out to himself. Many of the leading directors/producers in the UK have spoken of his talent.Sometimes more is less
Well, sometimes more *is* less, icerose. But not when you’re talking about the difference between potential and achievement. Nobody remembers the could-have-beens. Everyone remembers the weres.
He’s got a huge and serious fan following. But it’s mostly among women who do not think “geek” is an insult.
I hope he doesn’t get managed to be yet another bland too-cool actor. He should keep tweeting and keep cheeseballing and keep geeking out. That is what will keep him his following.
I have no problem with the geekiness (and my own geek quotient is pretty high, thank you.)
Its the pomposity, shallow tweeting, and constant famewhoring and name-dropping that I find to be off putting. Though I think he has great potential as an actor, he has *not* broken through and proven himself yet. This is a very bad time for him to not be getting parts.
He was completely overshadowed in The Hollow Crown by Ben Whishaw. Considering Hiddleston appeared in a number of the plays and Ben only 1 he probably expected more heat from it. Especially as he did most of the pr. There are any number of actors in the Uk who are better Shakespearean actors than him.
Whishaw was outstanding though, no question.
TH probably needs to build his theatre CV a lot more. He’s definitely got the raw materials there to work with I believe. But maybe he’s not going to be an ‘overnight sensation’ and will have to accrue more experience over a greater period of time. Unless of course, he’s more interested in chasing after ‘instant fame’ in Hollywood blockbusters… His upcoming stint as Coriolanus maybe suggests otherwise though.
I think Ben’s acting was terrific but it did not over shadow Tom’s at the time. I read just about every review at that time and he was praised by the critics. One of the criticisms of Richard 11 was that it was very theatrically dramatic for a TV adaption and I concur there .I do think Tom had a much greater challenge he had to carry three plays and his over all character development was more expansive and subtle.
Of course there are Shakespearian actors who are better than him and Ben. Mark Rylence is probably considered the best Shakespearian actor of the last few decades and the UK stage is full of wonderful actors like Samuel Barnett who have very little presence in American films. That does not mean that he does not love Shakespeare any more or less or talk about it any more than they do. He has according to one of the West ends producer/directors a natural gift for speaking Shakespeare as if it is everyday language. But he has along way to go as does Ben before he is considered one of the Shakespeare greats
Kaiser, I like how you put your feelings on Mr. Hiddleston here. Its just about the same as I feel. But it’s achingly obvious that Tom needs three major things in his life right now:
1. A new publicist/management team
2. Someone to tell him that he is okay and that he needs to take a deep breath and calm the eff down.
3. To get the hell off of Twitter. Go into Tweehab. Take a sabbatical. Whatever it takes.
He is much better than this.
BTW, is he still doing all of that UNICEF work or was that a temporary set-up?
TPMB, he is a junior ambassador for UNICEF. Presumably, they will be asking him to take another overseas trip for them, or something.
I don’t think he’s as keen to tweet as he once was, but with everything else you mentioned (especially that he is better than this, IMHO), you are spot on.
I like him & will probably check out anything of his that he is in, but I won’t owe up to being a fan of his in RL.
On datalounge someone posted that he didnt turn up to a charity rally. That he was on the running list for the big name appearances/speeches but he just didn’t show up at all.
There was some scuttle the no-show was due to a filming conflict doing pick ups for Thor 2 but I don’t know how true it is, given his non-appearance was also just after the incident in Cannes with the crazy hugging fan so maybe he was super skittish…
Indeed I think that jumping fan at Cannes must have knocked him a bit and was probably advised not to show up to the rally, particularly since some of his more shall we say excited fans were really getting into finding him there.
What stands out from that datalounge info is that he not only didn’t show up but he didn’t tell anyone either and he was expected to make a speech and was on the list of expected guests and then he just didn’t go with no explanation.
Seems that you can really see which celebs do charity for the PR and which ones have their hearts truly in it and HIddleston seems to be the first….
he never actually said he was going he just tweeted that it was on and encouraged people to go. I think fans just jumped to conclusions and assumed he was going to be there. I do not think there were any official announcements as to why he did not go but fans again assumed it might be something to do with Thor reshoots which were happening at that time
@Becky
Bill Gates was there, so I’m sure security would have been OK, for the actor, Tumblr stans notwithstanding, LOL.
That poster was representing another charity. Said he WAS listed as attending- just didn’t go/tell anyone he wasn’t going to be there.
You are correct. Some use that for PR. But, we knew this from his promotional stint in Guinea.
Most of his Unicef tweets are just retweets. I think he is sincere, but I don’t think that he is another Mia Farrow or Matt Damon. He seems to spend a lot of tweet time schmoozing ambassadors like Eddie Izzard though.
Guinea is going through hell right now with a lot of tribal violence, massacres, etc. Farrow has been tweeting about it really consistently and brings a lot of knowledge to the table, but it doesn’t seem to be on Hiddle’s radar at all.
I think he means well, but I get tired of how his fans crack him up to be some sort of saint to the third world when there are so many other celebrities who are quietly doing so much more (and not even bringing their publicists along).
Agree with all this!
Being a total cheeseball is central to Hiddleston’s appeal. He’s not “cool”.
And I think his comparisons are perfectly apt. Die Hard and Indiana Jones are not Hamlet, ffs. They’re good popcorn action-adventure, exactly like The Avengers.
A lot of posters have stated if a woman gave this interview (humble bragging and name dropping) she would be branded a biatch and brought down. So playing devils advocate here…isn’t this what GOOP does on a regular basis?
I hate Goop because she’s a shallow, overprivileged, myopic ignoramus who tries to tell everyone else how to live, and to top it off, her advice is unhealthy. Also: she is stupid. The humble-bragging is the least of her sins, and if that were all that was annoying about her, I wouldn’t dislike her at all.
I’m sorry but the only reason Cumberbatch and Hiddleston Are compared is because they both came to be known by the public roughly around the same time. They are both English and have done some theater work(like alot of brits) Other than that I dont see a comparison career wise.
Cumberbatch is on the rise right now. He is getting alot of parts and might be getting an oscar nom soon. He’s been nominated for Emmys, Baftas, & a golden globe.
Hiddleston while popular is only known for being Loki. Most likely he has to compete against Hardy, fassbender and Cumberbatch.
I get why they are all thrown in the same boat though but the comparisons are limited.
@Cassandra
I agree. Both rather blipped on ppl’s radar around the same time.
Comparatively, they are very different. Both did smaller stuff/theatre for years. However, I believe BC’s range is off the charts, hence his getting meaty roles. I also think his avoidance of social media has actually helped him. TH, on the other hand, while an OK actor, jumped onto the Marvel train. A heady ride in 2011-12, but it needs to be seen if that will typecast him. Bating fangurls on Twitter hasn’t appeared to advance his career. But, we shall see what next year brings to these guys. Hope to see BC, ’cause he’s a chameleon (I don’t really care about his personal life, TBH). TH- well, I dunno about him. His pandering to everything/everyone is grating, but I’d like to see him in something…good, that will showcase his talent. Please, Tom, say good-bye to Loki for 2014…
no they did not do theatre work for years. BC did a lot of small guest roles on TV alongside some stage work but he is also older and I think his overall education span was shorter. Both have won awards but in the last year or so whilst TOM was involved with Marvel BC has been nominated for two Emmys for Sherlock and Parades End. I would say BC has the stronger CV but from what I have seen Tom has the wider range and his roles have been more diverse. BC often plays to type although I am about to see his performances as both Frankenstein and then as the monster which might change my mind. It will also be interesting to see how BC comes over in his knew films or how much he is being cast as the go to stiff upper lip Brit. Tom I think is much more difficult to cast as he does not have a particular personae which comes across in the roles he has played so its possible directors do not automatically think of him for a typecasting
totally agree. people seem to forget (or ignore) that cumby had a fairly large body of work before sherlock. and he’s been amazing in all his roles.
I’m so afraid to say anything haha but…Cumberbatch back when he was 32 is not what he is now. Was nowhere near where he is now.
So idk…I just think give it some time. Let Hiddles grow a bit. But Hiddles is absolutely at a point where he CAN NOT screw it up. These next couple of years will basically determine everything.
I think he has potential because I’ve seen 3 indie films of his and yea he’s good.
Go hiddles you can do it!!! 😛 haha
Hiddleston isnt a leading man. He’s too camp. There’s no real energy in his performances. He can get away with this campness on stage but the screen isnt so forgiving.
He looks creepily like Danny Kaye to me and I’m not the first one who has noticed that comparison.
TH is in LA for Disney’s D23 (where I hope to see him and the Chris’s on Saturday). Also heard he may be auditioning for 50 Shades of Grey this week (Datalounge gossip).
Wow. He may be desperate, but I hope he stays far away from that role. I have heard that everyone right and left has been turning it down as career suicide.
Wowsers. There’s no way he’d be interested in doing 50 Shades surely? It’s a ludicrous suggestion IMO.
Cumberbatch at least does loads of charity work. Only the big stuff gets picked up but he;s very low key about most of it. Quite often fans only find out because some kids was excited and took a shot of him.
Tom does LOTS of charity work btw
@Jamie
Do you know what this “LOTS of charity work he does” is exactly? I am just curious.
In particular Cumberbatch does loads of Prince’s Trust charity work. Not the big concerts but small groups of teens (this work isnt publicised at all). I agree you occasionally see a photo from one of the kids in the group but usually its months after its happened. I love this about him. He takes his responsibilities very seriously.
The problem with hiddleston is he wants to be a leading man type actor. And he just hasnt got that kind of charisma and looks. If he was ok with being the character actor type he would be ok. He doesnt understand where he fits in things.
Just sayin’, but getting career advice from Branagh may not be that smart… Branagh is the guy who started w/ Shakespeare and ended up directing Thor (a silly movie where A.H. hams it up for the sake of the paycheck)
Hiddles should probably try and ask someone else, like RDJ’s wife? Jarmusch? David O. Russell?
yeah, I agree, branagh is not good enough for hiddles, so please please please go back to those bigger and more successful directors and advisers please, I want to see more people get blamed for hiddles’ career.
and as far as I can see, branagh is keeping distance from this hiddles now and I don’t think he will work with him anymore, which is a good thing thanks god
oh, and by the way, do you know that hiddles once said branagh never give him advise or tell him how to do something, I guess branagh know himself as silly and unwise so he won’t give any advise
If someone famous and respected complemented me on my work while I was still trying to breakthrough, I’d want to brag about it too, tbh. No shame in trying to sell yourself.
His persona is that of a constantly excited fanboy be it of Speilberg, Loki or Shakespeare (especially him lol), I don’t see anything out of character in this interview for him. You either love him or hate him for that.
TH changes his context for UK vs. US interviews consciously. He thinks we here like the name dropping. Here is a telling quote and link from Esquire UK Nov. 2011:
‘Hiddleston’s expressive features drop and suddenly he appears a little crestfallen. “Sorry to blow my own trumpet,” he says, “I’d forgotten that I’m back in the UK now. In America, that’s what they expect.’
http://www.esquire.co.uk/style/fashion/1083/how-to-wear-black-tie-with-tom-hiddleston/
Well that’s a cultural thing -most Brits are self effacing and dislike what thy see as the overconfident assertiveness that some Americans have. I have lived on both sides of the Atlantic and when I read that comment I fully understood what he was referring to. Its not uncommon to change aspects of your behaviour according to the environment/culture you are working in. I could write a book on the little differences in communication and presenting attitudes that I have seen over the years
Someone needs to tell him that name dropping is considered obnoxious in America as well. If I ever met him and he told me about meeting so and so and so, I would side eye him and tell him to slow his roll because my crush on him was diminishing with every name he dropped. To thine own self be true, yeah right eh Tom?
@flower
YES! This! Thank you! This total and complete pandering to everyone and everything is just insufferable and unacceptable. He doesn’t need praise for this- he needs smacked over the head. Obnoxious, indeed. Did they not teach him that at Eton?
Oh, well, perhaps not…
I guess it’s to be expected that he would slightly change his behavior based on the changing environment – but I think Tom is going OTT and ham-fisted with his interpretation of what “American Assertiveness” is.
And to this American, Tom isn’t coming off as assertive, he’s coming off as phony and kind of insulting.
Is Tom going by some cartoon-y notion of what “American Assertiveness” is or is he modeling his self-promotion style after someone specific? Because I can’t think of any A-Listers who toot their own horn as loudly as Tom has been tooting his.
Lainey even pointed out that Tom is promoting himself like he is Kellen Lutz. Kinda harsh but not untrue.
He’ll make 2 more Marvel films. He’s on promo mode (Hollow Crown, Thor 2, OLLA) until the play starts. No time for anything else in 2013. I’ll be curious to see if anyone else shows up from Thor 2 at D23.
He seems to do anything Marvel asks and enjoys being the favoured son. I wonder how he puts that across when dealing with Hemsworth. He seems to want to keep the friendship going but at the same time is enjoying stealing his thunder. I bet he’s a master at keeping useful acquaintances happy. I just hope Cumberbatch never gives him early warning of roles he’s up for. Benedict is far too trusting.
Reading the earlier comments where its mentioned that Cumberbatch got these new roles because of heat from 1 role. Actually the director of 12 Years a Slave didnt know him. The guy’s wife had to tell him he’d picked Sherlock and the guy got confused thinking she meant RDJ. BC auditoned. War Horse and Tinker Tailor – again he just auditoned for. The director of Tinker hadnt even seen Sherlock. Speilberg just saw his Atonement work. BC’s has a great relationship with casting directors like Nina Gold. he’s also got better nailing auditions as he’s grown in confidence/experience. His work with Peter Jackson must have been seen by Guillermo Del Toro and thats what kick started that new relationship. Also Del Toro’s love of Frankenstein must have helped. So I dont think BC’s workload is to do with being a shortterm flavour of the month.
I’m sorry. I just don’t take much issue with this guy. He’s sycophantic to point of silliness at times, but he’s innocuous. I would much rather have his almost comical-self aggrandizement rather than the likes of misogynistic douches like Seth McFarlane, Sean Penn, and James Woods. Any. Day.
Seriously, people, stop. Does anyone REALLY, honestly believe that this guy is good looking???? He looks like a muppet. He looks like he might have been in my 8th grade math class. Need I go on? Come on. Don’t confuse the character with the actor.