As I discussed yesterday, Emma Thompson won Best Actress at the National Board of Review Awards two nights ago. She looked gorgeous, she was gracious and fabulous and she might even pick up another Oscar for Saving Mr. Banks. What I didn’t know until now was that Meryl Streep, Emma’s old friend, former costar and her direct competition for all of the Best Actress Awards, was the one to present Emma’s NBR award to her. Meryl went HAM. Not on Emma. No, Meryl loves Emma. Meryl went HAM on Walt Disney, on misogyny, on how Saving Mr. Banks completely rewrote and mischaracterized the real relationship between Walt Disney and PL Travers. Vulture had the full transcript of Meryl’s speech, which I’m leaving unedited (because it is glorious). Here’s Meryl’s speech:
I’m not the prize winner. It’s so weird! This is a very late night, and we have Spike Jonze — twice — coming up, so I want to say to you, I have a short, sweet, kind of funny version of this tribute to Emma Thompson, and I have the long, bitter, more truthful version, so I would like a vote — and I’m serious! I’m happy to do just the short one. I’d love to do the long one. [Lots of applause, one audience member hollers, “Go for it!”] Anybody want to leave? Go now. I guess that’s the long one.
Some of [Walt Disney’s] associates reported that Walt Disney didn’t really like women. Ward Kimball, who was one of his chief animators, one of the original “Nine Old Men,” creator of the Cheshire Cat, the Mad Hatter, Jiminy Cricket, said of Disney, “He didn’t trust women, or cats.” And there is a piece of received wisdom that says that the most creative people are often odd, or irritating, eccentric, damaged, difficult. That along with enormous creativity comes certain deficits in humanity, or decency. We are familiar with this trope in our business. Mozart, Van Gogh, Tarantino, Eminem … Ezra Pound said, “I have not met anyone worth a damn who was not irascible.” Well, I have — Emma Thompson.
Not only is she not irascible, she’s practically a saint. There’s something so consoling about that old trope, but Emma makes you want to kill yourself because she’s a beautiful artist, she’s a writer, she’s a thinker, she’s a living, acting conscience. Emma considers carefully what the f–k she is putting out into the culture! Emma thinks, “Is this helpful?” Not, “Will it build my brand?” Not, “Will it give me billions?” Not, “Does this express me? Me! Me! My unique and fabulous self, into all eternity, in every universe, for all time!” That’s a phrase from my Disney contract. I’m serious! “Will I get a sequel out of it, or a boat? Or a perfume contract?”
Ezra Pound said, “I have not met anyone worth a damn who was not irascible.” Though he would say that because he was supposedly a hideous anti-Semite. But his poetry redeems his soul. Disney, who brought joy, arguably, to billions of people, was perhaps … or had some racist proclivities. He formed and supported an anti-Semitic industry lobbying group. And he was certainly, on the evidence of his company’s policies, a gender bigot. Here’s a letter from 1938, stating his company’s policy to a young woman named Mary Ford of Arkansas, who had made application to Disney for the training program in cartooning. And I’m going to read it here in Emma’s tribute, because I know it will tickle our honoree, as she’s also a rabid man-eating feminist like me!
“Dear Miss Ford, your letter of recent date has been received in the inking and painting department for reply. Women do not do any of the creative work in connection with preparing the cartoons for the screen, as that task is performed entirely by young men. For this reason, girls are not considered for the training school. The only work open to women consists of tracing the characters on clear celluloid sheets with India ink, and then, filling in the tracing on the reverse side with paint according to directions.”
When I saw the film, I could just imagine Walt Disney’s chagrin at having to cultivate P.L. Travers’ favor for the 20 years that it took to secure the rights to her work. It must have killed him to encounter a woman, an equally disdainful and superior creature, a person dismissive of his own considerable gifts and prodigious output and imagination. But when we sit in our relative positions of importance and mutual suspicion, and we cast judgment on each other’s work, we’re bound to make small mistakes and misconstrue each other’s motives.
Which brings me to awards season. Which is really ridiculous. We have made so many beautiful movies this year, and to single out one seems unfair. And yet, it’s a great celebration, and I’m so proud to be here, in this group of artists. Nobody can swashbuckle the quick-witted riposte like Emma Thompson. She’s a writer. A real writer. And she has a writer’s relish for the well-chosen word. But some of the most sublime moments in Saving Mr. Banks are completely wordless. They live in the transitions, where P.L. traverses from her public face to her private space. I’m talking about her relentlessness when she has her verbal dim sum, and then it moves to the relaxation of her brow, when she retreats into the past. It’s her stillness. Her attentiveness to her younger self. Her perfect alive-ness. Her girlish alertness. These are qualities that Emma has, as a person. She has real access to her own tenderness, and it’s one of the most disarming things about her. She works like a stevedore, she drinks like a bloke, and she’s smart and crack and she can be withering in a smack-down of wits, but she leads with her heart. And she knows nothing is more funny than earnestness. So now, “An Ode to Emma, Or What Emma is Owed”:
We think the Brits are brittle, they think that we are mush
They are more sentimental, though we do tend to gush
Volcanoes of emotion concealed beneath that lip
Where we are prone to guzzle, they tip the cup and sip
But when eruption bubbles from nowhere near the brain
It’s seismic, granite crumbles, the heart overflows like rain
Like lava, all that feeling melts down like Oscar gold
And Emma leaves us reeling, a knockout, truth be toldLadies and gentlemen, the entirely splendid Emma Thompson.
Wow. If it was anyone else, I might accuse them of hijacking the event to make it all about politics. But you know Emma probably loved every word Meryl uttered, and Meryl is pretty awesome for going HAM on Disney and the misogynistic culture of Hollywood.
As for the pointed criticism about the historical inaccuracies in Saving Mr. Banks, there’s a good LA Weekly piece about it here. I saw the film and I enjoyed, although I tend to think that Emma was the best part (and Paul Giamatti was the second-best part), while Tom Hanks’ Walt Disney just seemed… I don’t know, I didn’t really buy it. But I also took the film as a sort of Disney-ified fairy tale about filmmaking, and I wasn’t expecting gritty, misogynistic realism. The film simply wouldn’t have been made if they told the REAL story of PL Travers and Walt Disney.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
I can’t decide who I love more, but what an introduction! The only thing that I still haven’t been able to work out for myself is whether or not a beautiful piece of art redeems a rotten person.
Definitely 2 amazing women there.
I don’t think great art redeems a rotten person, at least not completely. I think you can separate the person from their work and despise one while appreciating the other (for me it’s Woody Allen/Midnight in Paris), but when someone is truly awful, even great art doesn’t erase their words or actions.
I think for me, it would be Rosemary’s Baby. I am a huge fan of horror flicks and saw this movie when I was younger, long before I knew anything about Polanski other than that his wife was killed by Manson. When I found out about the child I was horrified and as much as I hate what he did, hate who he is and think he should be punished for it I still can’t seem to stop myself from turning to that movie whenever it is on..
I gave up on trying Woody Allen films after Match Point, that movie was simply awful in my opinion.
I love this too. I LOVE Meryl and I love Emma. I love that Meryl and Emma love each other. Oh, to be a fly on the wall when they get together for coffee! They both seem like very wise women to me.
As for the rotten person thing, my interpretation was that she was saying that it has been conventional wisdom that great creativity has to coincide with a nasty personality as well. I thought she was saying that Emma proves that concept wrong, because she is both incredibly talented and incredibly kind. I could be wrong, though! 🙂
I didn’t think of it that way, you might be right.
I think talent or great art are some of the things can redeem a person if it’s just a personality flaw like having a short temper, being demanding, or being a little self-absorbed. But if it’s something serious- like a person being a literal racist, pedophile, or rapist, then I would say no.
But even if a person is one of those horrible things, I wouldn’t judge another person for liking their art or music, because I do think you can like something a person has created but hate things that a person has done.
I felt the same, I enjoyed the film for what it was but accurate in it’s portrayal of Walt Disney, it most certainly is not.
She is 100% correct in her opinion on Emma Thompson.
I remember hearing things about who the real Walt was a few years back. I wasn’t surprised because of the era he came from. He grew up during a period when racism and sexism were extremely aggressive. I was however sad to hear that Walt possessed those types of views. I was a huge Disney fan. In his case do we take the good with the bad are we more forgiving because it was Walt?
It makes me think about Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. He was a great civil rights activist and we owe him a lot. But when we see his portrayal in films there’s a part of his life that they leave out. Dr. King was a serious womanizer who had countless affairs during his marriage. I think Jamie Foxx is slated to portray him but I’m sure they are going to leave out the details about his affairs.
They leave out A LOT. IIRC he used to beat the prostitutes he hired too. Not to mention the drug rumours floating around as well.
It sucks that great people often come with some sh*tty traits and are horrible people.
To add about King, he was also a smoker and a drinker but you won’t find too many (if any) photos of him smoking because those around him controlled that image of him. Their reasoning was they didn’t want kids to see that he smoked then take it up themselves.
There’s been talk of just a Walt Disney movie for years and I’m sure they will candy coat certain aspects of his life as well.
To me being a serial-cheater isn’t on the same level as things like bigotry and sexual violence, so yeah, I can definitely overlook his womanizing, since he was a great civil rights activist. It doesn’t bother me if someone smokes, drinks, or does drugs. But LadySlippers, who is IIRC? I’m slow on figuring out abbreviations.
Leila-I believe IIRC stands for If I Recall Correctly.
The Civil Rights movement wouldn’t have been the same without King but knowing more of the human side of the man makes him just that, a flawed human like all of us.
Im soooo happy Meryl didnt sugarcoat this Jerk.. i cant with Disney’s lack of diversity or Walt Disney’s notorious EVERYTHING.. Or the subsequent whitewashing of him
Every respected historical figure gets whitewashed – five minutes on the Internet will reveal some horrible truths about everyone from Winston Churchill to Gandhi, Henry Ford to (gasp!) even Mother Teresa.
It doesn’t surprise me in the least that Walt Disney got the cuddly-wuddly treatment by Hollywood.
Actually, if you do some digging into Mother Teresa, she is not the saint she appeared to be 🙁 Apparently her charity did some nasty business buying & selling children in India. Google at your own risk.
Christopher Hitchins wrote a brilliant book on Mother Theresa – worth a read if you have the inclination…
I love that she gave this speech. I’ve always heard rumors about Disney being bigoted, and I think a lot of people forget things like this when they speak about what a ‘wholesome’ man he was and how he would be rolling in his grave now.
I’m going to have to google the people you listed now, Tapioca.
This is the best.
I completely agree. Just when I thought I couldn’t love her more.
Yeah, I’ve read that they disney-fied the Disney film. They even removed his smoking habit to get a lower film rating. The analysis I’ve read about whitewashing Disney as the genius and Travers as a stubborn pain in the ass, has kept me from seeing the film. (Maybe that indictment isn’t true?) So it’s a an interesting dichotomy to see Meryl praise Emma, while in some ways sort of dissing the film’s pro-Disney perspective, thereby subliminally discouraging viewers to see it. I’m kind of mixed on how I feel about the speech, not for the content, but for the time and place. She also sort of lost me by equating Eminem to the irascible unflinching artist dedicated to purity of work, which was kind of weird, since he has espoused his own brand of misogyny, but maybe I’m not getting the point. Since she gives Ezra Pound a pass for antisemitism, since she quoted him, because of his poetry, is she also saying the means justify the ends? I’m a bit confused.
+10000
Kiddo, Great points. I’ll have to go an reread her speech but I kinda thought she was in general dissing all the douchy men but at least with Pound — he made good poetry so wasn’t a compete [edited] waste of a man. I could be wrong though as that was just my first impression.
I’ll still see the movie but I’m glad people are acknowledging that Disney is too afraid of the truth and had to sugarcoat their film to make it more palatable for Disney. I don’t care about the smoking but if Walt Disney was an a** we should see him as an a** not a benevolent father enlightening the world.
Please come back and tell me what you think, I’m seriously not sure what she meant.
I just recently heard someone say that if a character smokes in a movie, it’s an automatic R rating. I don’t know if that’s 100% true, but it seems a bit insane (and I am very anti-smoking).
Well, we couldn’t have a “Disney” film about a Disney rated “R”, now could we? The man had a habit that wasn’t as clean as Snow White, so ‘poof’, it didn’t happen.
I don’t think smoking automatically triggers an R rating…but it is one of the criteria that they MPAA uses when giving a film its rating. Ratings are very arbitrary sometimes and it can also be political.
I don’t think she was giving Ezra a pass.
My interpretation is that she was saying that for a long time it has been conventional wisdom that great creative talent has to come with a horrible side as well. She was saying that Emma proves that concept to be inaccurate because she is both insanely talented and incredibly kind.
Thanks Tiffany! I have reread it now in that vein and it makes more sense. I will have to read it a few more times, but I still think she says some work redeems the soul, while still not quite favorably promoting Saving Mr. Banks for the film, only for Emma’s performance. I think she could have also left out the part where it was weird that she wasn’t taking a prize (I know it was a joke, but still), and how many other good films there were; that’s usually left up to the recipient of the award to spew. But somehow, it still doesn’t entirely sit right with me, because I feel that there were double entendres throughout, although admittedly, I am sleep deprived having worked late, and may be misinterpreting everything.
Meryl just went up a thousand notches in my book! And it speaks volumes about Emma as well.
Thanks for sharing this with us.
I love Meryl – she’s perfection. I don’t know too much about Emma but now I want to learn more. I also want to use ‘irascible’ in a sentence today.
“I’m not the prize winner. It’s so weird! ”
Can you imagine the mess if another actress would say this ???
Just when you think you can’t love Meryl anymore…..
Emma had always seemed like a nice person and a talented actress, but she won me over for her role in Love, Actually. The scene in the bedroom as she’s fighting to hold back her tears, and then the brave face she puts on for her children. She portrayed such believable resilience while facing a devastating realization.
LASTLY…I had never heard of HAM…you learn something new every day! To use my new knowledge: I often go HAM on honey-baked ham.
Both Meryl and Emma are inspirations! Well done, ladies.
I know, right? They are gorgeous and un-Botoxed and so seem to own their age and their sensuality! I want to be them when I grow up!
I don’t buy Meyrl sincerity here, this will hit Disney movie chances in favor for other one chances to rise wait and see.
This is long detailed proofed speech, a well planned one IMO.
I’ am not judging the speech facts but Hollywood is full of bigots so why now Meyrl?
When we can’t win we turn tables
Please guys don’t hate on me i love Meyrl and she is phenomenal actress but its Hollywood and everything is possible. Meyrl gives the mean girl vibe sometimes so i don’t think its impossible to happen.
You seem to be saying that Meryl is knocking Saving Mr Banks to give her film Osage Country a better chance during the Awards Season. Why? She is likely to be in direct competition with Emma Thompson for the Best Actress Award (Golden Globes, Bafta’s, Oscars) so why would she then get up and make a speech – fulsome in it’s praise to say the least – for Emma Thompson? It doesn’t make any sense to me that she would do that – but then I’ve always been confounded by the underhanded…
I agree with most of your comment. Meryl states she is flattered by noms & awards but she really wants other people to win too. In fact, she prefers it now.
Hollywood doesn’t define everything for everyone.
This is not aimed for Emma this is aimed for the movie itself , it has a Chance for best picture or other kind of nomination that might bother or upset other studios.
the competition this year is very high and its going to be dirty competition and Harvey knows he is out of the game this year.
so i think he struck a deal with other studio who have an average(possible contender) movie to bring down Disney movie ( which is another average and possible contender).
Despite high competition , this year you can easily see few films are competing on the upset factor because they know they are average they need more than the regular ways to compete. one of them is collide to clear the space.
okaaay, “I’m always confounded by the underhand” and never more so than now. It seems that the film they are all going to have to get past will be 12 years a Slave, Soooo – what would be the point of Harvey Weinstein pushing another average film at the expense of Mr Banks when the real competition is elsewhere? Again it doesn’t make sense, if he really wanted to cause an upset he would be targetting 12 years a Slave, Gravity or American Hustle – from the coverage so far these seem to be the front runners so there would be no benefit to Harvey or Osage County by knocking Saving Mr Banks – he would need to go after the main competition not the also rans – in other words if he was out to split the vote – he’s going after the wrong film.
Screw Meryl Streep. When Roman Polanski won the Oscar she was one of the people who gave him a standing ovation. Guess raping kids is ok.
And will she ever attack Harvey Weinstein or any of the other Hollywood producers who are horrible to women-nope. Only attack dead guys.
I’d be impressed if she used her voice to go after someone living.
Thank you , I felt so too. I smell Dirty eliminating job here i am sure no matter how she applaud what she calls her friend Emma she still hijacked her winning.
simply she can get any newspaper or blogs to gives her column to write her very long speech any time long-back , why now ?
+1
She is continually impressive.
They should give her an Oscar for that speech. Nay, the committee should create a category called “Meryl Streep” and just hand her one to start the show.
Disney would be rather unlikely to make a movie featuring Walt Disney as a character and not tweak his image in a most favorable way.
I honestly think that Meryl should not criticize Walt Disney when she is appearing a Disney movie next year. It would be different if she actually knew him or Travers or was there when Mary Poppins was filmed, now she is just saying things that she has heard of second hand sources and might or might not be true. I just do not understand what is the point of saying something like this in an interview.
I think there is a lot of evidence out there for people that have studied the matter. Like his forming an anti-Semitic lobbying group. That would certainly leave a verifiable paper trail.
Yes the lobby group would leave a paper trail if it would exist, but have you seen such evidence? If there exist a paper trail she should have mentioned those in the interview and not a letter he did not write himself from a time wonemwhere hired for hardly any creative work anywhere in Hollywood. I just like people spreading rumors, and while I have heard some that Disney was anti-Semitic, I have not heard of any lobbying group before, and I would like some proof since it is very heavy accusation. If Disney was so anti-Semitic that he formed the group, why he hired the Sherman brothers who were Jews for many films to compose music, including Mary Poppins?
It does not matter much but I like facts and not rumors. And Disney is dead, so if his family, his daughter Diane Disney Miller died just recently, so he can not defend himself and has no people no defend himself.
why she did not write about it before in the newspaper?why she is accepting to act in of his company movies?
Well, she’s totally right, but I think that easn’t the right place or the right time to say it, even if Emma was apparently ok with this.
In my opinion,it wasn’t the right time or place to make such speech.She could have make it in another moment or she could have written an essay about it.To me the subtext was a critique to Emma’s choice since she declares herself a feminist…I don’t think Emma was genuinely ok with the speech.I love Meryl but going on a rant about the whitewashing of a movie your dear friend is being rewarded for isn’t nice of her. She should have chosen another time.
Exactly You said it better than me, she made Emma the fool feminist who stared in a movie glorifying a bigot, if she is really feminist and Emma friend why she did not pick the phone and told her friend about it? or is it OK to do movie with them but not about them?
Its a blow to saving Mr. Banks Movie and she blew it while Emma receiving accepting her award, no matter how she praises Emma she did embarrass her.
I feel sorry for Tom and Emma
Years ago (I think in the 1980’s) the original ‘Mouseketeers’ were interviewed in TV Guide about some new Disney thing (it could have been the ‘New Mouseketeers’ with Britney Spears, Justin Timberlake, and Christina Aguilera). Anyway, the discussion turned to Walt Disney and the three or four original Mouseketeers who were being interviewed all said that Walt Disney didn’t like kids.
At the time, no one wanted to believe that Walt Disney couldn’t stand to be around kids. After all, how could a man who created so much for children, and actually ‘had’ children … not like them? I remember discussing this with co-workers who didn’t believe the comments in the interview one bit. I asked “Why would these people–most of whom became Mouseketeers in the 1950’s when they were 10 or 11 years old–lie about something like that?
Walt Disney, creative genius that he was, seems like he was a real piece of work.
@firsbeejada not all awards are best picture there are many other awards that average movies would like to have.
this is my opinion.
at last this is Hollywood do not exclude any scenario 🙂
in terms of marketing a film that is not ‘populist’ i.e. Iron Man – major awards can financially make a picture like Osage County – which is why Harvey Weinstein has always fought so hard for them. To a certain section of the market an Oscar is like a Good Housekeeping seal of approval – the Santa Barbara film awards are not, they will not ‘sell’ the film the way the Oscars/Golden Globes do to the film going public and will probably have only minimal impact on Academy voters. He can try and use the more average awards to build up momentum for a particular film or performance but I think this year he’s too late, there are stronger contenders out there and Saving Mr Banks is’nt one of them.
When someone sort of disses the film by trashing the subject, while praising the star, doesn’t that have the same effect financially? Maybe Meryl has some personal issues with Disney, the company right now, with a contract or something else? The speech seemed ill-timed as far as a benefit for Emma.
I love both Meryl and Emma. My favorite Emma movie is Last Chance Harvey with Dustin Hoffman, another favorite of mine as well. Love that movie. It is so touching and I am either laughing or crying while watching.
Honestly, it’s not brave or provocative. It seems very much self serving and honestly downright rude to Emma. I’ve yet to hear a peep from Streep regarding Harvey Weinstein or Polanski. Both of their behavior has been well documented and rumored forever. It’s far easier to criticize Disney now because he’s dead. I’ve honestly RARELY heard Meryl Streep talk about anything this deep. She’s like JLaw in that sense, she avoids real controversy. For Streep this is an EASY topic. You know it’s not complicated. It does nothing to her. She gets to stand as if she’s on the right side of history with next to no criticism because who can argue with it? So yes, sure. Meryl gets some brownie points for bringing out this criticism, but she’s not getting a standing ovation from me like everyone else.
Yeah I love Disney movies. I’m a huge fan of Sleeping Beauty bitches. It’s not as sexist as you think. Is Aurora passive? Yes! Most definitely but there is so much more to that movie then that. And the outright dismissal of the movie is annoying.
Sorry Meryl. I think you’re a talented actress, but I found you slightly insufferable for this. It’s possible I’m still bitter that you beat Viola Davis for the Oscar. Scratch that I am still bitter about that.
I want to MARRY this post! Especially the last paragraph. (:
What’s Meryl gonna do with those Disney dollars she receives from her role in Into the Woods? This is something she could have done on her own platform, instead of turning someone else’s evening into a protest. Even if Ms. Emma is the coolest of cool when it comes to these type of discussions.
I hope the same attention is given to her and Disney when her film is released!
Fact-Checking Meryl Streep’s Disney-Bashing Speech
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/fact-checking-meryl-streeps-disney-bashing-speech-94380.html