You know how I’m sometimes (often!) inappropriate, rude and offensive? IT’S MY JOB! Ha, no, I often try to reel it in, which is what happened when I wrote about Candace Cameron Bure’s “submissive” relationship with her husband. I mean, I basically believe that she’s an adult and she can define her marriage however she wants, that’s her business. But I actually wrote out a 50 Shades of Grey joke in the post and I deleted it before I published because I thought it would be “too offensive.” The joke was a throw-away: “Candace believes in 50 Shades of Jesus.” It still makes me giggle. I know, I’m going to hell. Anyway, I bring up my deleted joke because Candace offered a “clarifying statement” on her pro-submission stance. And she mentions 50 Shades of Grey. It’s happening, people! Her statement:
“I use the word ‘submission’ and yet it’s a biblical definition of it, and I think the first thing that pops into peoples’ mind is this ‘50 Shades of Grey’ use of the word, or something that’s oppressive, or it’s a dictatorship in my home, and I’m like, ‘no.’ I love my man, I want him to lead our home, but it’s kind of like driving a car. Only one person can be in the driver’s seat, but you’ve got a navigator. You’ve got a partner riding with you, and we do it together.”
[Cameron’s comments via The Rachel Ray Show]
This kind of sucks as a clarifying statement because she basically repeats the same thing she said to HuffPo. We get it, Candace, your husband is in charge and you help “navigate”. I don’t think any of us really thought that Candace was talking about sub/dom sexual relationships. She was very specific. So let’s just spell it out: Candace’s submission doesn’t have anything to do with Christian Grey, from what I can tell. Just FYI.
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Good god girl, just shut up about it already! It doesn’t make it sound any more appealing. I know this is the most media attention she’s gotten in like 15 years but I think she should just let it go. Geez.
Oops someone must have read C/B.
Lmao. It was quite the discussion! Kaiser That joke is crazy, girl. Those explanations beforehand show how angsty you musta been lol. It’s okay woman!
This lady, however should shut it!
LOL!
I logged in specifically to say “shut the eff up already.” But you beat me to it. :0)
Um, on long trips, I think it’s a great idea for people to take turns at the wheel, but whatevs. She got her 15 minutes on the story, time’s up.
LOL you said it!
Great point.
My mind never went to 50 Shades when she said submissive, but instead back to the 1950s or something.
Exactly, I didn’t read 50 shades of grey and only have a vague idea what this book is about (sex?) but no one took it in a sexual way, it was pretty clear what she meant. And imo being submissive in a sexual way is way more okay if it turns you on and pleases you than being submissive in life and in your relationship.
1950’s Shades of Grey, lol!
But weren’t you just dying to know about DJ Tanner’s marriage set up? Didn’t you want to know that she’s even more vanilla now that she’s clarified that she was talking about the bible and not sex in her previous comment?
I know I can finally cross that item off my bucket list! Praise Jesus!
Good point, Kiddo. I have so much respect for my husband. One reason is that he treats me as an equal partner and doesn’t need me to constantly reassure him that he’s the man, he’s the leader, he’s the one with the brain, I’m so following you, honey, ugh.
I get what she’s saying, she’s just not saying it well. I’m a wife like her – a co-pilot or vice president to my husband. Not because I’m weak or can’t handle it, it’s because I trust him and his ability to lead our family. That doesn’t make me anti-feminist or anything. I can see that he’s way more type-A, better at managing money, and better at making big decisions. I’m not as good at the big things, so I know when I’m better off looking to someone else to handle it. Could I do it without him? Of course. But I don’t really want to.
I’m with you. I’ve actually been thinking a lot about this since yesterday. My husband is more of a details person, and he’s a bit Type-A. I’m someone who doesn’t notice the dust in the corners until 3 minutes before my in-laws are due to arrive. And if I were managing our money, our savings would probably hover around nil.
When we’ve had major life decisions, you can bet I’m there, and we have a complete balance – but day-to-day, I’d consider him the captain of the ship. And it works out well for us.
I actually think that’s a little different than what Candace is trying to say. She’s taking it an extra step and claiming that, in general, men are like your husband and women are like you and that this is the proper biblical way to conduct a relationship.
As long as people stick to their particular relationship dynamic, whatever works is a good thing. The problems arise when these specific traits are extrapolated onto other couples, a number of whom probably have a wife who is more type-A, better at managing money, and better at making bid decisions.
Yep, that’s the point. It’s not so much that it works for HER marriage, it’s that that’s how it should be for ALL marriages. I’m not sure if she was raised as a Christian or not, or if she’s in a really strict evangelical faith–but that’s what I heard in my old church. That the man was the boss, and that was it.
I’m not going to judge her for the way she and her husband choose to run their household. I know couples who operate very similarly. My best friend and her husband are a deacon and deaconess at their church, they are very spiritual. Their dynamic is that they ARE a partnership, but final decision about any major decisions are his. But that is after they’ve had a serious discussion about it. And if Bure said she would allow her husband to make decisions that would be detrimental to her family, that’s not sound judgement. Having faith in God doesn’t mean you shut your brain and your ability to reason off. I know there are people who operate that way and to them I say “God Bless”. I have had the pleasure of being around people who were very faithful to God, but were still willing to think and reason things out. You CAN be a 3 dimensional Christian.
Jaye, I have no trouble acknowledging that there are 3-dimensional Christians.
But this isn’t just about the way Candace and her husband choose to run their household. They don’t just believe this is best for them because it suits their personalities and makes them happy. They believe that men are better at these things than women and that other couples should follow their example. I can judge that belief (especially since it judges my abilities!) while having no problem with the individual arrangements of one married couple.
If your husband is a Type A and you are as flaky as you claim, you should both be in counselling learning how to reign in is these qualities. Neither are admirable in the real world. A Type A will find himself ostrasized at work or even at play. Same goes for the flakes of these world. Life is not Dharma and Greg. That crap isnt cute, its just wrong. You need to be helping each other hit happy mediums.
And besides Candace isnt saying that the party with the strongest traitr shnuld “drive”. Shes saying that the man by virtue of a Y chromosone should lead. Shes saying it doesnt matter whether the guy IS a flake. Or if the girl
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Wow, seriously? Hurry atrain, better go get some counseling because some stranger on the internet inferred that you were a flake. A FLAKE! Oh the horrors!
@Jojoann Wow. I think it’s a bit much to tell someone they need couples counseling because they are not that organized or that Type A’s are going to be ostracized at work, because that’s simply not true. Hell, in the financial/accounting world Type A’s are most desired because of their attention to detail. It sounds like the OP and her spouse balance eachother out, which is great. There are things that I’m not that great at that my husband is a rockstar at and vice versa, it’s what makes our relationship dynamic fun and interesting. I love it when he’s watching me doing something I’m good that (that’s he’s not so good at) and seeing admiration in his eyes, I feel the same way about him when I’m watching him do 50 pull ups in a row or crunching crazy numbers off the top of his head and I tell him “Babe, you’re so awesome!” No one is perfect so it’s nice to have someone to balance things out and pick up the slack where we need it, nothing wrong with that at all…
Oh, so no one likes a hard working person in the workplace!!!??? LOL. Do you fully understand Type A personalities? And honestly, “ostracized?” You use a very wide brush to paint people into corners, and that is very sad.
This woman shared her story. Her husband tends to some things, whilst she tends to others. Each has their strong suits, but she defers to him in areas where she feels lacking. Yes, we ALL know this is different from what Candace is stating, but this is also the choice for Candace to make. I would never do this, my personality would never allow it, but I won’t condemn a person who does. Who am I to think my word is law?
I’m not sure what you read, but I never claimed to be flaky. I said that my husband was better at managing money and making big decisions, so I defer to him. We balance each out very well, which I think should be the goal when finding a partner.
As far as type-A people being “ostracized” in the workplace, you couldn’t be more wrong. There’s a big difference in being a true type-A personality and just being an A-hole. Type-A people tend to be very hardworking, organized, and good leaders. My husband’s strong personality and great leadership skills have driven him to a VP position at the largest IT company in the Southwest.
Your advice to get counseling was very humorous to me. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. We aren’t all luke-warm robots operating the same way. It’s okay to be with someone that is better at certain things than you are. I’m comfortable knowing that I have certain weaknesses. I don’t need to run to a therapist to “fix” that.
We’re not judgmental of each other and needlessly rude in the CB community. Go find so we here else to comment.
This is an example of what I was trying to say yesterday – this dynamic works for you because you’ve lived it and know it works, and everyone is happy with it. I fear with someone like Cameron, she’s not doing it for that reason, but because the Bible tells her to. Which is very different, I think.
I agree with you. I read her statement again, and it’s clear that her reasoning is because the “because the bible tells me to.” I mean really, if we all followed the bible so strictly, this world would be a very different place, full of concubines, slaves, and other old ideas that have since been replaced. I was raised Mormon, and even they aren’t that strict about these sort of household dynamics.
Well it makes you sound super insecure and self-conscious. If he would be a great man he would actually support you in becoming more confident and not so co-dependent. And being a type A is also something that is not exactly a great quality. My bf is very indecisive and general likes it when I make decisions for us but I refuse to be that person. I want him to form an opinion and reflect on what he wants and then we have a discussion. How boring and unchallenging it would be when everything would be my way just because I tend to have a dominant personality, I want to look my partner in the eyes and not down on him. I am sad for you that you feel that you are “not good at making big decisions”, it is your life in the end, what role model are you for your children if you have some?
Glad to see these comments from other ladies, I was feeling very in the minority when reading other comments. I strongly believe in “traditional” marriage roles, I hate that term but I guess now a days its viewed as really old fashioned. I love that my husband is a true man’s man, and he treats me like nothing less than a lady. I totally get what DJ Tanner (lol) is saying, her husband isn’t a dictator, but she allows him to be the man and lead. Sometimes its hard to explain these roles to people who don’t function this way in relationships because no matter how you word it, it sounds like you are a helpless woman and needs a man for direction. It’s different strokes for different folks, you know? Its funny, because of the two of us I am much more “type A,” but it comes in handy trying to manage the house, our kids, schedules, budget, etc. I guess all I’m saying is that people shouldn’t judge her or belittle her; she seems like a decent woman with core values, she isn’t being abused or held hostage and they must be happy- they’ve been married forever! BTW- I am not even remotely familiar w the bible, other than the things that everyone knows (adam/eve, noahs ark type stuff) so for me this isn’t a bible thumping (SORRY!!!!) thing, its just our way of life.
See what I read you saying still isn’t you submitting in the way she describes. It’s you recognizing how you and your husband complement each other. My husband is the big picture guy. He’s the one who reassures me we won’t be on the street poor when we retire when I freak out about our savings. I’m the details girl who makes sure all the bills get paid on time. We are different but equal. That is different than putting the husband in the driver’s seat and just trusting he will get you where you want to go. It not only is submissive but also handing off the responsibility. It may work for some but I’ve seen too many wives with this attitude be in a complete mess when husband dies or worse yet, decides he wants to lead someone else now.
It’s been a lot time since she has been in the limelight. I’m sure she will be “clarifying” a few times.
Oh no, I got it the first time but it doesn’t change my mind. It still means that I would defer to my SO to make decisions when my brain functions the same way as his. Granted there are some things he knows more about and I will listen to his advice but that doesn’t mean I blindly follow it because “he has spoken!” It goes both ways and he doesn’t always take my advice either. But see that’s the difference, we give each other advice because we respect the others opinion, whether or not we use it is entirely up to us. I will never just hand over decision making of MY life to someone else, ever. I was raised to believe that marriage is a partnership. *shrugs*
When she stated that, yes, she would let him make decisions to her family’s determent, (if it came to that) because that’s just how she does things, I had to shake my head.
I think that she needs to understand that the people that DO live their lives this way were always going to be cool with what she said and the people that don’t live their lives like this were never going to be like, “oh wow, I’ve seen the light”. There’s no need for clarification, backtracking or trying to make it sound better. It is what it is.
Definitely agree.
Not to make light of it, ok I am but what if her husband was dumb as a box of rocks. Would she let him make all the descission even if she knew they were bad ones. Would she be that submissive to let him put them in a finanical bind. What if he was making investments that could cause them their livelihood, would she just accept it because he is the head of household?
I know people who have this marital arrangement, and yes, in a lot of cases it does mean that a husband who’s a poor financial manager or an alcoholic or simply a bit of a flake ends up making very bad big decisions that negatively impact the rest of the family.
The theory is that the husband will learn from his mistakes, and that he’ll eventually be a better head of household for doing so.
You’re not making light of it, you’re making sense and being practical. I think this is one of those things that many Christians agree with doing in general and end up not doing – like love your neighbour, turn the other cheek, all that jazz. I think that if she were fully honest with herself, she would probably admit that they just end up doing whatever seems best.
Yes, she would. My sister is a born again Christian and HER husband IS dumb as a box of rocks (never even got a HS diploma) and she lets him make ALL the decisions (even moving half way across the country, away from all her family, just because he said so. And this is a woman with three masters degrees. When women buy into this crap, they really buy into the crap hook, line and sinker.
I can’t help but feel she is the victim of stupid patriarchal BS disguised as religion and spirituality. Men are idiots, we all know it, we deal with the consequences of it everyday and this female genius just wants to hand the reigns of her brain over to her man. More power to her I guess but if we want the world to improve maybe we should stop drinking the testosterone laced kool-aid.
No sweetheart NOW we do however, have to wash our image of some 50 shades of grey fuckery and DJ Tanner off our minds so thanks for that… We got it the first time tho, it just sucked plenty that time to hear that mess on 2014
That’s the problem with words. They mean certain things, they have definitions. When you use a word expect people to understand the real definition and not what you think it means.
In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya ” You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.”
In no definition of the word submission or submissive is the word partner used. Partner and submissive would be antonyms.
I love that you referenced Inigo and I completely agree.
Yuuuuup. This is basic stuff, did you really have to mention it? Oh wait, yes, you did, because people pull this crap ALL THE TIME! This usually happens in situations where people are doing something kinda gross, but they are trying to spin it as double-plus good. Shouldn’t that be classified as a form of lying? Can you tell that maneuver really pisses me off, lol?
“In no definition of the word submission or submissive is the word partner used. Partner and submissive would be antonyms.”
Wow…I love that.
What is amusing to me, is there are going to be a large handful of women who are up in arms on Candace’s behalf, but there are a ton of marriages out there where the wife is “the driver” it’s just not a spoken agreement. The husband can give all the input he wants, but at the end of the day, it’s the way the wife wants things to run, is how they are going to run.
I mean, do you ever watch House Hunters? Then, you know.
OMG, best comment ever! House Hunters makes me laugh at those poor, submissive, husbands every time….
LOL-so true!! Oh my god-some of those women I want to smack. And those poor, sweet guys trying to make their wives happy-it’s both funny and sad at the same time.
Hahaha…Hilarous comment!! Love House Hunters and totally get what you’re saying…
in every single relationship one person will be more dominant….it could be the man or woman (or whom ever depending on the sexual orientation). no big deal. what kills relationships is a lack of communication
…and sometimes the dominance shifts from one partner to the other.
LOL, an Abfab rerun just flashed back to me: “You can’t put two racehorses together, they’ll kick the shit out of each other. The racehorse just wants a little old donkey to be a companion.” I don’t subscribe to Bure’s deal and I think a marriage absolutely CAN be happy and successful when it’s a partnership of equals with neither person “dominating.” But I do see some logic in the idea that two aggressive Type-A’s together are a rumble waiting to happen.
I disagree and feel that paranormalgirl’s statement is the more correct one.
However, Candace isn’t just saying that her husband takes on the dominant role because he’s more naturally suited to it. He takes on the more dominant role because he’s the man and that’s the role he should take. That’s a belief that applies to marriages other than hers, including ones in which the wife has the Type-A personality.
I don’t think dominance and submission are always clear cut, there’s a lot of seemingly passive, submissive people who exert great control. Relationships have their balance and often the strengths of one balance the weaknesses of the other.
That is one horribly frozen face….
What a bimbo. Who would compare marriage to driving a car?
You’re very mature.
You don’t get it?
Are their ideas so far apart that they can never agree or compromise and one person needs to be “The Decider” (to quote W)?
I don’t think she should have tried to backtrack. I took her statement for what it was to her and I didn’t for a second think that she meant be a doormat. I know what she meant and it works for her. She’s had a long, happy marriage and this has worked for her. It doesn’t work for everyone and it wouldn’t work for me but she should have just left it alone. It’s her life, she shouldn’t feel the need to justify her comments.
She said the same thing twice.
This was a great comment/summation, I tried (above) to comment and feel like I kind of tripped all over my thoughts…its a difficult thing to explain to people who cannot move past the stigma
I’m sure this kind of arrangement does work for some people, and that’s fine, but all the women I know who boast about being good, Christian, submissive wives are in reality the biggest controlling harpies ever. Some of them don’t even bother being passive-aggressive about it; they’re just complete hypocrites.
haha you have a point, ive seen this can be true! i’ve seen type a personality ladies competing with one another on who can be the most wonderfully submissive, self sacrificing wife. meanwhile it is they who actually passive aggressively run their husbands and families.
Did anyone actually misconstrue her words and think she was admitting to a kinky sex life? Or is this a feeble attempt to invoke Rule 34 to drum up some publicity for a book no one is interested in?
She should not have to explain what makes her marriage work…..to anyone.
She is selling a book on how well her submissive marriage is and how everyone should do it. She invited everyone in. Once you invite guests in, you don’t get to tell them how to behave.
I’ve always said, if we peeled back the privacy of our homes we would all think each other freaks. That’s why we don’t let everyone and anyone into our private lives.She has invited everyone it, told us how kick ass her marriage and her life are and how we all need to follow biblical rules just like her in order to be happy.
She brought this crap storm onto herself in order to sell books. She said things she knew would invoke a response, she knew she would have to defend herself and her position. She knew it would help sell books or at least get her name out in non-christain book buying circles. Now she gets to play the victim,” the liberal media hates christians and christian women”.
Everyone has an agenda, and I don’t mean that in a nefarious way. Simply we all have needs and we want them met. Right now she needs to sell books and show how superior her biblical based marriage is.
I would add I don’t see any thing particularly “Christian” in marketing your life and marriage for a Bible reading audience. I am so happy to live free of this type of repulsive hypocrisy. If you truly love Christ, live a Christian life and shut up about it. No one needs nonsensical proselytizing from some brainless tv actress now or ever.
Well, she did write a book about it, so there’s that…
50 Shades of Jesus! Genuis! It TOTALLY made me giggle too!!
I’m fine with whatever people want to do, if they are not hurting anybody.
However this twit wrote a book and is saying this is how to make a marriage work. It takes all kinds sweetheart. Quit drinking the kool aid. Just be married and happy. Don’t write a book if you don’t want criticism.
I know. Logic!
She said he makes all the decisions. It doesn’t matter if you wear the label of navigator if the captain chooses to go in another direction. And last time I checked, getting married means you have a spouse, not a captain or a swabbie.
So she gives an interview about something that was not only going to get people up in arms and a possible People cover, several follow up stories on other websites and request for more ‘clarifications’. Well done DJ. Well done.
Whatever floats your boat and sells books eh Cameron? Weirdo.
Funnily I find it less offensive if she were all top/bottom in the bedroom than the whole biblical definition of marriage, conjured up during a time when women were chattels and had similar rights to the goats and chickens in their farm yard.
Such as, “I now pronounce you man and wife”
and “to love, honor, and obey”
I obey traffic laws…most of the time : ) I agreed to a partnership with my spouse.
Barbie and Ken
She’s just as annoying and obnoxious as her brother. She needs to STFU!
Am I the only one who thinks her husband looks like Spencer Pratt in 20 years? Just an observation.
YES!!!!!! Thank you. Kept thinking he reminded me of someone but couldn’t think who…
LOL 20 years? More like 5.
I feel sorry for kids who are raised in this type of home, where they are taught that a male will make the ultimate decisions in their lives, and the females are supposed to go along with it because that’s what the bible wants.
True. Totally bad role model for her daughters and especially her sons, who are growing up thinking that women are weak, co-dependent lost puppies who can be so grateful if they find a man who leads their life.
Me too.
I’m pretty sure the Duggars subscribe to the same bible-led beliefs about marriage and men and women. When their oldest son got married, the girl he married was specifically given by her father to her new husband and they made it clear that he was to be her boss and she would be submissive. I feel sorry for the kids raised this way as well. So limiting. How can you see how fast you can run if you’re always stuck in a cage?
I was raised in this type of home and I turned out well. My upbringing did not make me feel I was worth less than a man,in fact my mother is a proud feminist and I also identify as a feminist. I am a journalist and I have a good relationship with my husband.
I think every relationship falls into roles. my husband and I have a very respectful, egalitarian relationship, but we still fall into a lot of gender typing just because that’s how things go in our house. I prefer cooking and I’m better at cleaning. I’m a social worker and he’s a computer programmer, so money-wise it was kind of a no brainer that I would stay home with the baby and he would go to work after our last one was born. I scheduled the doctor and dentist appointments, he pays the bills because I can never remember to do it on time.we take equal time with the kids when we’re both at home. he defers to me on some decisions, I defer to him on the ones I think he understands better than I do. Every single relationship is different. Although I do find it a bit strange to give the man automatic authority and decision making power, I think most successful partners defer like this to an extent.
I know a few couples who do this, but ironically, from the outside looking in on those relationships, the female is still running the show even when she thinks she isn’t. I’m not saying that’s true for all couples that practice this, but I think it’s funny and ironic.
nobody should really be surprised by Bure’s comments, though. she’s happy so I wish her well. I won’t hit on her just because religious beliefs don’t make sense to me. but I sure am glad I don’t have a religious perspective that makes me less than a man.
Your arrangement is just a normal partnership. People just choose to do what is in line with their natural or acquired talents, that’s not being submissive. Somebody mentioned submissive husbands on House Hunters- this is probably just an area where the wife has more interest and experience so they’re just along for the ride. They aren’t submissive, it just isn’t their area and so the wife is the leader. Some other men might be the more involved one in such a project and the disinterested wife would be the “Yes, dear” one.
The absolute idea that the man should always take the lead just because he’s male is what causes trouble. Google “no longer quivering” for a detailed look at what can happen. There is no biological basis for such a belief and there is a ton of accumulated experience to the contrary. Men and women also tend to acquire knowledge in different areas for entirely cultural reasons, although Mother Nature does give women the advantage in multitasking among other things. A lot of things are simply taught more thoroughly to boys or girls based on gender. For instance, men who have daughters rather than sons (or a son who is much younger than the first-born daughter) tend to pass on what they know to their first-born daughters, explaining the higher percentage of such who become engineers.
Methinks the lady doth protest too much. DJ from Full House is blatantly all about the red room of pain (*cough* my friend read it and told me that. Okay fine, I had to know what all the fuss was about… that’s a good three hours I’ll never get back). She let it slip and now she’s backpeddling. Whatever floats your boat Cameron!
ha ha, you made me giggle
Oh we get it Candace, we would have never dreamt of interpreting your comment in a sexual way. We understand you allow yourself to be unequal in your marriage by acting completely submissive & obedient to your husband, all because you apparently have the wrong body part. Perhaps while you’re at it, your husband can add some concubines and you can hire a slave, because the bible encourages that as well. Oh wait a minute, that wouldn’t be right, would it?
He looks like an older version of Spencer Pratt.
That whole family looks like a bunch of Canadian, vanilla aliens.
LIke she needed to clarify she didn’t mean 50 Shades of Grey? That girl looks and sounds like someone who has sex by cutting a hole in her panties so she doesn’t have to take them off.
Don’t knock Canadians. Really, there are a myriad of stereotypes we cd whip out re the States but for the most part we refrain because they’re just that: stereotypes. Which is the enemy of accuracy. For the most part we ‘look’ the same as Americans.
Ha! Thank you for sharing your “50 Shades of Jesus” joke anyway! Made me giggle too 🙂
Those hardcore religious types creep the sh*t out of me and it makes little difference what religion it is. Little wonder I am an atheist, since all gods seem to consider women inferior.
My suspicion is that the whole “women, be submissive to Men” thing really has nothing to do with spirituality and everything to do with the pea-brained, controlling, chauvinistic ancient man’s sexist agenda for society.
Kaiser, please, do not reel yourself in. I love offensive, rude and inappropriate jokes. Fifty shades of Jesus = funny! Cheers!
She is a hardcore extremist Christian conservative. On twitter, after America’s last Presidential election, she was tweeting things about how America will be sorry, its so disappointing, its the start of the end, etc. No bull, seriously. Anyway, I sent her a few tweets, and trust me, I as someone who watched Full House and my favourite character of all was DJ – I was very polite. I said straight up basically; hi, I ‘m a huge fan of yours from Australia and then went on to say that I understand her position but that you (her) need to understand that a lot of female voters will be put off by extremists in the Republican party saying things like if a woman is raped, she won’t conceive and that abortion is worse than rape etc that things like that are only going to hurt the Republicans chances and scare voters away. She blocked me almost immediately. 🙁 The whole ‘exchange’ (if you can call it that) between us was a real eye-opener and a real shock to the system. Suffice it to say, I have not been able to sit through a Full House episode since. I now have no doubt that she truly believes what the oddballs in the GOP said about rape and abortion, hence her blocking me as soon as I typed the words out so its no surprise that she submits to her husband being the head of the family.
Well, I absolutely don’t understand a relationship dynamic like that, regardless of whether the male or the female is submissive, simply from the point that the dominant person must be SO BORED with their spouse. Can it get more uninteresting and unchallenging? I remember there was a rather successful german TV-presenter who had a similiar book and it was not well received, her career was completely over and everyone was so irritated.
Did she read CB?
And of course, women take submissive roles in the church. Where are the female priests? Where are the female leaders in these houses of worship? Exactly. These religious organizations that push this submissive stuff do not see women as equal.
Please stop making generalizations. There are women leaders in churches in my country (NIGERIA). Women even head and run churches here.
Urghhh…..anybody’s else’s gaydar going off like mad?!?!!!
Everyone is forgetting that being submissive to your husband means allowing him to set the discipline for the kids and pets. This can lead to abuse where the dumb submissive wife goes along with her pig of a husband. And this involves non-religious people too, not just those kooky faux Christians out there. Not saying that all of these folks who decide to let a man lead them around on a leash abuse their kids but it happens a lot and for this bimbo to be pushing this American Taliban bullcrap annoys the heck out of me. The only consolation I have is that these fools are a dying breed so in a few more generations we won’t have to hear about them. Why would any woman let a man lead her around just because he is a man?
^ This. People like that creep me out.
This x2. This is an old paradigm that should no longer be relevant for our times. We aren’t in the 50’s anymore. Woman have worked and fought too damn hard for it to go back like that.
I’m also an atheist. I continue to shake my head at what people do in the name of “god.”
It would be nice if Christians were so absolute about things Jesus actually did say about love your enemies, pray for them but don’t kill them…
But to be honest, this man the boss/woman the submissive servant is pretty old and part of many religions and cultures but not all (matriarchies have always existed also and individual families have always ultimately made their own adjustments).. There’s nothing specifically Christian about it and many Christians don’t buy it either. It’s part of a cultural problem and will lose its religious significance eventually once the culture eradicates the idea.
Shakespeare said, “a rose by any other name…”
Freud said, “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar”
Folk wisdom says, “If it walks like a duck, etc….”
Her hubby is top dog with her permission. It is not an equal relationship. She kowtows to his wants and needs. No matter how unwise, weird and abusive he may be. The implication is also that somehow men have been graced with monumental maturity and wisdom simply by virtue of being born with a penis. It’s all or nothing.
What self-respecting woman would acknowledge hubby as better than her just because he’s got different anatomy? What about the brain???? Seriously? If you use logic, her assertions do not compute.
BTW, is Pavel Bure this religious or religious at all? Because, seriously, if he is not, she is opening herself up to inequity and abuse; it’s not like he is with the meaning of the religious program. What a coup for the guy.
I think the biggest takeaway from all this is that Born-Again Evangelical Christian Candace Camaron Bure read 50 Shades of Grey. lol
I mean, there’s no need to clarify the word submissive unless you know exactly what the book is about. A “good Christian woman” would NEVER deign to allow her mind to be poisoned by such filth!
Ew, her husband looks like her brother ew ew ew.