Yesterday, CB and I were talking (amongst ourselves) about this Daily Mail post about Bruce Jenner’s fingernails. Go and look at the photos and then come back – Bruce looks like he’s growing out his nails, right? And it looks like he might be wearing some clear polish and even French tips too. Kris Jenner told ET that Bruce likes to wear clear polish, but there’s no confirmation on the French tips.
Taken with the repeated stories about Bruce wanting to undergo a laryngeal shave (more on that in a sec), a picture is starting to form. And while I think Bruce – and the entire Kardashian-Jenner clan – is fair game for run-of-the-mill gossip, I do wonder if at some point, the coverage borders on transphobia. Or is it wrong to even call it transphobia because Bruce has never spoken about a desire to become a woman? So, I wanted to be clear: if Bruce wants to begin the process of becoming a woman, I’m absolutely fine with it. It’s none of my business and I’m not judging. But what should be our (and other sites’) editorial policies on covering his “change” if it does happen? This is an open-ended question and I’m assuming there isn’t just one right or wrong answer. It’s difficult to assess because Bruce and his family live so much of their lives in public, so I’m kind of assuming that if Bruce does want to become a woman, we’ll know about it via interviews and their reality shows.
As for the laryngeal shave… Radar and the National Enquirer claim that Bruce has already undergone the procedure:
Bruce Jenner underwent a “laryngeal shave” procedure earlier this month to soften the appearance of his Adam’s apple, in what could be the latest step in his quest to allegedly become a woman!
According to a new report — and photos — from the National Enquirer, the former Olympic champ entered The Beverly Hills Surgical Center in the early morning hours of Jan. 19 to have the procedure with famed plastic surgeon Dr. Stephen J. Pincus.
According to the report, experts call the laryngeal shave the facial feminization process prior to gender reassignment surgery.
Photographs obtained exclusively by the Enquirer show Jenner with his long hair down, in a top zipped up over his neck, and bandages clearly poking out.
“The car took him back to his Malibu home, and he was told no talking for a few days,” the insider told the magazine. “He was also told to stay off his feet for the rest of the day — to just take it easy and rest. But before Bruce had his Adam’s apple shaved down, he talked to the doctor at length about having his penis removed next.”
I don’t know enough about sex reassignment surgery, but is it really a situation where you’re like, “Okay, let’s talk about cutting it off now?” I thought there was a longer process involving multiple surgeries and hormone treatments and such.
Is it transphobic to wonder what Bruce’s name will be if and when he makes the change? Ten bucks says it will be a “K” name, right? Like… Kacey Jenner. Something like that.
Photos of Bruce on January 18th, courtesy of Fame/Flynet.
I really really have no shade for him if he is trying to do this, like if anything I embrace him for coming into his own real person
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And you know Kris will try to attack this move of his (if he does it). That kind of hate will only backfire at her.
Best of luck to Bruce!
And it won’t be a K name. That’s Kris’s thing.
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I don’t think it’s transphobia to talk about it, as long as it’s not bitchy or mean or whatnot. I mean, if he is doing this and it’s what will make him happy then more power to him.
It may or may not be transphobia, but I think this is a violation of his privacy and in bad taste.
I agree that it’s a violation of his privacy and it does make me feel uncomfortable (for that reason) but I also think this is what happens when you marry a woman like PMK..maybe he didn’t realize that he was doing a deal with the devil.
I agree. I think it’s okay to cover this as long as the general sentiment is “We are all behind you if this is what you want to do.”
I don’t see it as a violation of his privacy, considering he has made the choice to lead an extremely public life. He’s pretty much told the entire world that he does not value privacy. And I agree that it is in bad tasted, as well. But the Kardashian/Jenner clan are nothing if not the embodiment of bad taste.
I personally don’t care what he does as long as it harms no one else.
I agree with you. I think this site is doing a good job of covering this, but. . .reading about it makes me feel really kind of icky, like I’m invading his privacy.
This seems like such a personal thing, and so fraught emotionally. He’s purposefully not making public statements about it, and I feel (this is just me, personally) like I’m really denying his privacy by reading about it. And yet here I am.
Someone’s sexuality is so private, especially in a situation like this, and I’m seeing this turn really transphobic and gross on other sites. Even the curiosity over whether he’s going to get surgery, and what he’s going to get. . .it’s normal to be curious, but it’s such a personal thing. I’m not even sure what I want to happen. Cover it, but be polite and respectful and supportive? Stop covering this at all until Bruce gives a statement? I don’t know.
Hmm …if you think back to his pose on the 2013 Kardashian Khristmas Kard (yeah, I did that), he was trapped behind glass or in a tube or something …at the time I thought it was commentary on his place in the family (isolated, ignored – and is he silently screaming?). But now I feel maybe he was letting us know he feels trapped, perhaps a female trapped inside a man’s body??
Am I reading too much into this? I hate that I think one can even read too much into anything about that family, they’re so transparent and the opposite of deep and/or complicated.
But to your question – he was the only one who was a bold face name before he married the Harbinger of Doom. He was THE ATHLETE, that face, that body, a real man’s man. If he continues down this path the public thirst for all the gory details will be palpable and he knows it. Hopefully along with any negative will come support and encouragement and he’ll take strength from that.
So many great, respectful comments, I think people think “gossip site” readers just want to tear people down.
Anyway, I’ve never watched a second of their show, or even seen a commercial or preview so I may be 100% wrong- but from what I read, it seems that he is much more private than the rest of the Klan. Since he has been part of it. I’m sure the scoop will be released one way or another but hopefully it is on his terms, that’s a very personal and sensitive choice. Good for him, and hopefully his (bio) kids have his back.
I think you have a point there. The only male allowed in that Xmas card was Bruce, but he was trapped in a tube/shell. Was it Kris’ way of saying that he’s a woman trapped in the body of a man?
+ over 9,000! (who ever gets that reference, can we be biffles!?)
If this is what he wants then I say go for it! Whatever makes him happy. If Lucifer thinks that she’s going to get sympathy because I can see her try to spin it to make it about her, she’s in for a rude awakening.
His nails are pretty doe!
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I agree. I’m all for everyone being exactly who you are. I always wonder in “post Oprah” America, how anyone isn’t living their true life. And for sure – B.Jenner should do exactly what he wants.
And as far as him transitioning – there isn’t one answer for everyone – some people feel complete just by adapting some opposite sex affects (grooming, accesssories, etc.), others need to live fully as the opposite sex, but don’t feel the need for surgery and some people for sure need the surgery to feel right. Whatever is right for him, is right for him. I have no shade for him, at all.
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Man, he always just makes me sad…something seems so tragic about him.
Maybe he’s just suffering from Post-PMK Syndrome.
Anyway, ITA 100% that is if makes him happy and he feels like he’s being true to himself, I fully support him.
Maybe he’s just suffering from Post-PMK Syndrome.
You win on the internet today!
I don’t really think Bruce’s possible transition is fair game because he’s not a Kardashian level famewhore who lives for the spotlight and makes regular rounds on the pap stroll. He’s always been more reserved than the rest of his family, and I don’t gather that he actively seeks to be seen and photographed. That being said, I imagine a gender transition is a highly personal experience that could potentially bring about a lot of hateful comments and ridicule, so for those reasons I say leave him be.
I read about this a few weeks ago on another site and wondered if Celebitchy would cover this or not. If Bruce is going through a transition right now to become a woman, good for him. I can’t imagine it’s easy to do it in the public spotlight, ESPECIALLY when you’re attached to the fame hungry Kardashians who will do and say anything for attention. Wasn’t there a story a while ago too where Kris said she’d use Bruce’s cross dressing against him if their separation/divorce didn’t go her way? I hope this works out for him and that the Kardashians don’t use it as some kind of attention grabbing storyline for their show.
Me, too. Maybe her threatening him made him realize that he had to just put it out there. I hope he finds happiness away from the Kardasians.
More power to him, if this is his truth. I believe he would have to live as a woman for a number of years and undergo counseling before any reputable doctor would consider any surgical procedures.
As well as that, not all transgendered people actually want to undergo ‘all’ the surgical procedures… I’ve studied this at University and I’d never really thought about it before…
It’s really interesting once you start reading personal accounts of people going through it. Some people feel 100% betrayed by their body and cannot wait to completely change. Others are happy living with breast implants (for example a man-woman change) and the genitals they were born with. It isn’t as cut and dry as, I want to be a man/woman so I will get the according genitals and take all the hormones I need.
If anyone is interested in the topic, I strongly recommend reading articles or watching documentaries to learn more about it. It is nearly unfathomable to me – I never had a strong connection to my gender particularly – I was just socialised into my gender. It’s amazing to me to consider there are people out there who are SO sure of their gender that they can identify they were born into the wrong body. It feels like they are operating on a higher level to me. Try and keep an open mind and read more into the topic (by intellectuals, not assholes) and you could be amazed too.
Agreed with everything you said. Some of the speculation is ridiculous, especially since there are many different ranges within transgender experiences and needs. We don’t yet know if or how he is transitioning, or if he is simply a more feminine Bruce. And that’s okay.
It’s really sickening how the media pokes and pries into someone’s personal life like this and then blasts it all over the Internet for trolls to criticize. Whatever Bruce wants to do with his life and his body is his business and no one else’s.
Well, he can wear nail polish if he wants, but laryngeal surgery made me clutch my throat. I’m not even wearing pearls.
That was my reaction too – “ouch!”
Me too, I’m really squeamish at the thought.
This would be so hard to do with the public exposure he has- so many people have a hard enough time worrying what work/family/friends will say, he has the whole country watching. more power to him, being the person he needs to be. No shade here.
“…to just take it easy and rest. But before Bruce had his Adam’s apple shaved down, he talked to the doctor at length about having his penis removed next.”
Who is releasing this info to the press, or are they just making it up to force a comment out of him?
It remains his private business, unless he is still on the show, then the privacy issue is a moot point, isn’t it? At any rate, if he is or isn’t transitioning, I do not judge. Gender identification is a very individual thing. I do judge him, however, for having an association with Kris. Or are they kaput?
Thank you. And p-nises aren’t removed. They’re used to fashion a vagina.
Plus he’d need to take hormones and live as a woman before any surgical things happen, right?
Very true. If I’m not mistaken, there is generally a process of living as the gender that one wishes to be reassigned to, for a period, before the surgery is scheduled.
I’m no expert, but I think that it can be a very lengthy process to undergo a sex change.
I know that in some states, a mental evaluation is required, then if one “passes,” they go through hormone treatment while also undergoing the surgeries that are of lesser significance (for lack of better words), like the laryngeal shave, or some men would go for small implants. All this can take over a year.
I’m not sure about other states that don’t require mental evaluations (if there are any – I only know about my state) and how long it would take, but I don’t think it’s truly a matter of “Well, we got your Adam’s apple down, how about that dick?”
I watched a documentary a while back on this subject. At the time, there were only 2-3 hospitals in the US that performed the surgery, and strangely at least one of the hospitals was in a very conservative area. I know two of the requirements were to pass a psychological exam, and to live as the opposite sex for a year before reassignment surgery.
I went through a phase of eating McDonald’s ice cream cones daily, and watched the guy who works at the drive through window grow out his hair, wear dressy long earrings, wear makeup, and beautiful porcelain nails. I was secretly cheering him on, and proud that this McDonalds, which was in a small conservative town, was open minded. About six months later he was back to his starting point. I always wondered what his story was, but would never have dreamed of asking him.
To undergo a full transformation involves hormones, multiple drs appointments, and therapy (if going through insurance and can take a long time) and then the surgery reassignment. I don’t know about the other surgery though and he can pay for anything out right so who knows. But if he’s happy great because he has seemed miserable on that show lately.
I was going to mention the therapy. Most doctors require it if they’re not quacks. It’s a huge decision. There are men that live as women for years and years before even considering that kind of surgery. Many never take that step.
You know what, good for him!! Its so sad that people often feel forced to live a life that isn’t their own ….. maybe now those Kardashian girls might have a chance at having a mother they should have had!
Why the hell are mullets making a comeback? Is it a mullet, or does he have no sideburns? I don’t care about his surgery if that’s what he wants to do, I just want to kill mullets DEAD
It’s a very delicate subject, and I really don’t know how people and the press could handle this.
if he wants to wear nailpolish because he likes it no problem for me. I like nail polish too.
If he wears nailpolish because he is undergoing a transition we will talk about this when he will be ready to talk.
Good for him. I can’t imagine the pain and frustration he must have been feeling all of these years. However, if he has the strength and perseverance to do this, he can get his two youngest daughters away from Kris. He knows, more than anyone the life his two children has in store for them. Save them!
Waitttt a minute, why are we all assuming that he’s getting gender reassignment surgery? Maybe he just likes pampering himself!
Could be true, but I think he may be transitioning (and that may have a lot to do with his separation). My neighbor transitioned from male to female and there were little clues like this for a year or two before she decided to talk to us about it. At first she grew her hair out, then she appeared to be wearing gloss and then a light foundation etc. I finally knew I wasn’t nuts when she started carrying a purse. She has a very supportive partner and son who stuck by her side throughout the whole ordeal and she confided in me that she wanted to wait until her son was grown and out of high school (and her father had passed) before she had the surgeries. Very sad that she had to live over 40+ years in the wrong body, but she is very happy now. Too bad Kris couldn’t support his transition.
Kris is about Kris. I don’ know if anyone else counts.
As much as I don’t like Kris I think it’s unfair to say she isn’t supporting him. We don’t know what is happening behind closed doors and for all we know she could be his number 1 supporter. Just because they split doesn’t mean they aren’t friendly. As it is his right to choose if he wants to go down this path it is also her choice to remain married to someone who may one day be a woman. She could not want that but still be a good friend to him and be there for him. It could also have been his decision to leave her as well.
IF this is even true, I don’t see how you can say she’s not supporting him. They haven’t divorced, they seem to have stayed friends, and she seems to be going along with his timeframe and not blabbing about it before he’s ready to. The fact that they separated doesn’t mean she’s not supportive – maybe she didn’t want to be married to a woman and maybe he doesn’t want to be married to a woman – IF he is actually doing this.
I was going on her behavior and actions historically. Maybe she is supporting him, but then I still think it wouldn’t be a selfless act. Sorry, the woman comes across as incredibly self-centered and self motivated.
He decided to grow his hair out and immediately people started speculating that he wants to become a woman. A man getting a mani with clear nail polish is also not an indication that he is transgender, IMHO. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
I don’t think the hair and nails alone indicate that’s he’s transitioning. The feminization of his face is a strong indicator though.
@patrickbateman, you’re right. I suppose kris could be supporting him behind the scenes, I’m just assuming she’s selfish (and therefore unsupportive) based on everything else that’s been reported about her.
I think it’s more likely that he’s a self-conscious man going through andropause and influenced by vain surgery addicts.
If he is transitioning, though, more power to him and my heart breaks for him the way it would for any person who had to live so long in a body that doesn’t match who they are.
If he wasn’t, I would have to think he would deny this is a very public way. This is a pretty major life change and at this point, he seems to just be dealing with it and the fact that the press keep harping on him.
No one’s business, and if this is true the media should give him the privacy he deserves. Good for him if this is what he wants. You have to make yourself happy, life is too short. Period.
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I agree- leave him alone, and if someday there’s something he wants to talk about, fine. But until then let him be.
Yes. This is such a personal and private matter. Leave him alone and all the best to him.
Yup, agree with everyone, no shade at all! We all have every right to seek our proper place.
You do you, Bruce. No shame in being who you are.
I don’t think she turned him into anything. That’s not really how it works… But anyway – I think he’s always been strolling in that direction. He was attracted to PMK because she is the way she is and lets him be submissive and maybe he associates that with femininity. Didn’t we read a while back that she’d said that he liked to don the drag once in a while? Anyway – I’m indifferent to his choices really… wish him well. Oddly enough I don’t think it would change his relationship with his wife and family all that much. lol
Yes, I hope Bruce finds his happiness. He seems like a nice person and gets no shade from me.
What is transphobic? Is that like discrimination against transgendered people? Why would people care if he felt better as woman?
I am sure he will be a better woman than any of the K bunch. Good for him
Why would people care when someone is gay? There is intolerance everywhere, and I think it’s a misunderstood subject.
People fear what they do not understand. Hence every other prejudice that exists, pretty much. Fear, when left to fester, can turn to hatred, intolerance and disgust.
Good for him if that’s what he’s doing.
It’s tricky to know, though, what the boundaries are with this family, if any, since they live in the public eye and put basically everything “out there.”
Personally, as someone “other-gendered”, I feel it is inappropriate to simply cover speculation with no confirmation. If he is transitioning, then until he confirms or announces, his privacy should be respected. Transitioning is a very difficult process already and I can guarantee he will get a very vocal negative reaction (as we can already see from the mere speculation–his identity has already become a matter of debate and he hasn’t confirmed a thing). It just is vastly different from other types of gossip. To be trans or even if he is somewhere inbetween/other-gendered is not acceptable in society still and prompts a largely negative and violent response from people. I have been identifying for years, but remain publicly “in the closet” because I am not legally protected from discrimination. On top of that, not only am I in danger of being attacked, refused housing or a job or services, but my partner is as well merely for being with me. If someone was discussing my identity publicly, I would be afraid, regardless if I had the money to protect myself. It is hurtful too to hear people discuss you like you are an object and no longer a person just because you are different. People are going to tell him he must be a man or will always be a man and challenge his identity for the rest of his life if this is true and we should be doing our part to be supportive and respectful.
Props to you guys for asking. Few people care to ask and just run with it. This is obviously tricky because he is a public figure and even if you guys choose to cover the speculation, I have serious respect just because you asked.
Well said. I also have respect for much of this thread, which has been mature and compassionate for the most part, so far. Not so long ago, it would have been another story entirely on a gossip site…. Nice to see the lack of hate here. 🙂
“I can guarantee he will get a very vocal negative reaction (as we can already see from the mere speculation…”
I have seen nothing but supportive comments here. I’m hoping you will experience the same reaction or better if you choose to reveal your true self to those you associate with
” It is hurtful too to hear people discuss you like you are an object and no longer a person just because you are different”
The same could be said of women and minorities too, which is why I think most of us are *generally* understanding and accepting of differences. We understand what it’s like to be treated as “less than” and wouldn’t wish that experience on anyone.
Best of luck to you.
Thank you for your insight and explanation. I hope Bruce finds what it right for him (and I only believe something from these rag mags when it comes directly from the person and not SOURCES) and everyone leaves him alone. Unfortunately he is associated with the Kardashians and that will bring out a lot of nasty people no matter what.
I think Bruce will get more positive support than he will criticism. I would think that comments from well-wishers such as we here on Celebitchy would not be unwelcome.
Crystal, thanks so much for adding your voice to this. I am grateful that CB has some really insightful and empathetic participants. I am glad I get to be part of such a nice little enclave. Sadly, the rest of the world isn’t really like this. Being other is often dangerous.
I think I can add something of value here. This is an example of how being other can make you a target.You may not have heard about this, but a woman created a great new putter. Grantland ( a sports site) was writing about the putter and the woman who created it. Turns of the woman, a Dr. Vanderbilt was trans. The piece stopped being about the putter and became something else, a smear piece about a lying trans person.
Dr. V was outed to investors
Dr. V committed suicide before the article was published.
You can read about Grantland’s apology here:
http://the-toast.net/2014/01/18/responses-to-grantlands-trans-outing/
http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2014/01/20/3184091/simmons-grantland-hannan/
I read the article the other day. Dr. V had lied about her higher education and about her impressive work experience, portraying herself as someone with very impressive credentials, when the exact opposite was true. She had been a mechanic among other things. I feel her suicide had more to do with being outed as a fraud regarding her secret work experience with the government and her extensive education, all lies, even more so than being outed as transgender. It was disturbing. Her own brother-in-law or relative, I think, called her a con artist and that wasn’t about her gender. The sad part was she had a viable product. Living as a fraud the way she did (not talking about transgender) I am surprised she agreed to the article and thought she could hide that her whole resume was a lie.
No shade from me. My only comment is that Bruce has put himself in the public eye his entire adult life, so I think it’s fair game to report on his transformation — as long as it’s done in a respectful fashion. Besides, there should be no shame attached to this and to shy around the subject implies that there is.
Disagree. Imagine if a decision you made at one point then determined every action you made in the future? Just because he agreed to something once, doesn’t mean he will always agree to it.
He doesn’t ‘owe’ the public anything – we don’t deserve to know about his life
People have a right to privacy in their lives regardless of who they are.
This is a hugely sensitive issue and to say he shouldn’t be ashamed is pretty narrow minded. IF THIS IS TRUE by the way, his life could be on the brink of change in the hugest way possible.
A year ago Bruce was on WWHL with Andy Cohen and he was still in that macho man phase and seemed to be irritating Andy with some mildly homophobic behavior.
I don’t know what to think of any of this. It all seems out of left field.
He can be transgendered and homophobic.
so he wears clear nail polish/ grows out his hair and suddenly he’s transitioning…okayyy
Yeah, I’m kind of with you.
If Bruce Jenner indeed transitions MTF, then it’s correct to call by “she/her” and by the first name she’ll choose to go by. No different than Chazz Bono.
A lot of the coverage on this has been snarky at best and transphobic and nasty at worst.
Saying that, however, Bruce Jenner made himself a public figure by going on that damned famewhoring bandwagon, so I have no problem with coverage.
Also, all we have is conjecture now anyway.
until he confirms it, it is sheer speculation, and i don’t think it should be covered. what if he went to the doctor for some completely different reason, such as treatment for a throat cancer?
I think my biggest peeve with the Radar story is that, if Bruce is in the process of transitioning, he wouldn’t have “talked to the doctor at length about having his p-nis removed next.” That choice of words shows a lack of understanding about what a vaginoplasty entails, and is transphobic in itself– transwomen are transwomen, not p-nisless men.
It seems like a small, semantic thing, but it strikes me as cruel. Like an attempt to paint whatever Bruce is going through (whether its transitioning or the outward manifestations of body dysmorphia) as some kind of sideshow spectacle, which definitely doesn’t do trans* people any favors. Then again, it *is* Radar and the Enquirer… maybe my expectations are too high.
For the general public, the process is largely unknown so I don’t think it’s fair to say it is transphobic.
The exact point at which someone decides they want to be known as ‘he/she’ (of the opposite to how they were born) is completely personal. One person may allow their family/friends to do it but won’t feel comfortable with everyone saying it until their transformation feels “complete” (whatever that may entail). Other people may want to be called ‘he/she’ from the moment they work out they were born into the wrong body.
There will be a way to go before something like this is universally accepted (if it ever is). Some people are still against interracial relationships and think homosexuals are the devil incarnate. We can hope for understanding and compassion but to expect it is probably naive.
That’s the thing, though– like other posters have mentioned, the “concern trolling to sell tabloids” aspect is a biggie. If Radar and their ilk were even going to try to feign anything other than a prurient interest, there’s any number of other phrases they could’ve used that would’ve made far more sense and been just as intelligible to someone who’s unfamiliar with transitioning: “he talked to his doctor about a sex change,” “he discussed gender reassignment surgery,” etc. I have a hard time buying that their poor choice of words wasn’t deliberate, and it definitely isn’t going to help as far as acceptance goes.
There aren’t enough facts to say what is happening. He was the most likeable of the whole trainwreck family, but it’s also unclear whether he has truly freed himself from their clutches. He chose to continue going along with their fame-hungry antics and storylines for so long.
I could see Kris either ridiculing him or even making it a storyline to keep the show afloat. Nothing ANY of them do surprises me, and he never appeared to have enough backbone to fully stand up for what he wants.
It is hard to believe that once upon a time he was a huge name in athletics and pop culture on his own.
Yes to this. I could see this being a storyline in the guise of “helping others out there in the same situation,” whereas it would really just be for the prurient titillation factor.
Oh yeah, I can smell the tabloid concern trolling from here.
Watch PMK find a way to make this story about HER.
And, if this is was Bruce needs to find some peace and happiness, I wish him the best.
Why are we assuming he’s trying to become a woman? My brother gets his nails done. Lots of men do, and a lot of men wear their hair long. I’d bet good money that Brad Pitt got his nails done while he had long hair. It just happens he’s less feminine in appearance so it isn’t news. I think this isn’t necessarily transphobia but some sort of sexism.
However, I have no explanation for the laryngeal surgery.
Transphobia and sexism aren’t mutually exclusive, though– there’re a lot of interesting theories about how hate against transwomen is rooted in the thought that any man who wants to be a woman must be some kind of freak, because why would a *man* ever want to be a *woman*? Similarly, why would a man ever want to be interested in having, wearing, or doing “women’s things”?
Either way you slice it, it’s derision against someone for not fitting into the (completely artificial) gender boxes our sexual culture has created. In this case, The fact that the idea that he might be trans* is being used for shock value is transphobic. The fact that the speculation seems to be based on him growing his hair out and wearing nail polish is sexist.
This story is false. The media is really stretching with this one…orrrr PMK put this ridiculous story out there for PR.
Okay I honestly just have questions about this, and I don’t want to come off as transphobic. I’m just curious. If he is transitioning and wants to become a woman then will he still date women? Does that mean he is actually sexually attracted to men? He’s had so many wives and lots of children, so he’s had sex with these women and I just don’t get it. If he’s always wanted to be a woman then idk I would just assume having sex with women would be weird for him. I am honestly maybe a little transphobic because I haven’t been really exposed to it and I would love to learn more so that maybe I could understand it better.
Gender identification is different than sexual orientation although both elements may intersect. Someone who is male may identify as being female (gender) may be attracted to females, or may be attracted to males, (or both, as that which happens with people who identify with their biologically determined gender).
Which gender you feel like you belong to does not necessarily dictate who you are attracted to. Gay men, born biologically male, identify as being male, but have same sex attraction.
Does that help?
Thank you all for the information. I definitely feel more knowledgeable about the subject. I appreciate the point Kiddo and J. pointed out, about how gender identification is a separate thing from sexual orientation, which actually makes perfect sense. Thinking about it more, I emphasize with anyone who isn’t comfortable in their own skin, and everyone has the right to find that comfort. To each his (or her) own!
ETA: Kiddo beat me to it.
Gender and sexual orientation don’t always go hand-in-hand– for lack of better phrasing, there can be transwomen of any orientation just like there can be other women that are gay, straight, or anything in between. Same thing for transmen and other men.
A person who was born with male parts and is attracted to women can very well be a transwoman– she may find that her dating pool just shifts to women that are attracted to women after transitioning. If she was married while living as a man, transitioning might impact her existing relationship. Sometimes it doesn’t, and she and her straight spouse just adjust to make sure everyone feels loved and fulfilled and happy. Everybody’s different.
I know of two males who chose to live as females. The first transitioned many years ago (early 1980s). He was married when he went through surgery and apparently didn’t discuss transitioning with his wife beforehand. She thought he was on business trips. They divorced and he (now she) has had LTRs with females only. She reminds me of Bruce because she was an excellent athlete.
The second was a classmate who now lives as a female. She dates a man. Though she has lived as a female for 20 years, she has not completed the full transition due to costs.
I saw this thing on Oprah once about this professor who, after more than 25 years of marriage, told his wife he wanted to become a woman. They stayed together because he was still attracted to her. As in, he is essentially a lesbian. Or is he a lesbian. I’m a little iffy on the correct terms myself but it’s entirely possible that Bruce is sexually attracted to women even as he wishes to become a woman.
I seen that episode too…. If you choose to do this there is no turning back, so its he must have been thinking basically his whole life
This is a great story on a family who supported their child who is transgender. Most had to suffer as a child, teen, by being forced to conform to what their families feel they are, the sex they were born as, and many become suicidal. This family is very special andthe little girl is very special and strong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk_YlBM5JAE
Yeah, I would steer clear of this unless he gives an all out interview or something. If it’s true, I have much respect for him. He looks quite happy nowdays.
He also has no hair anywhere on his body other than his head so….
Yeah.
I’m going to venture a guess that he might be in transition.
I feel extremely uncomfortable when various sites are proclaiming that he is transitioning. I get that as gossip sites you/they are on the look out for unusual things to talk about – like his fancy nails or whatever – but how about we drop the assumptions unless/until something concrete comes out?
Can’t a guy play around with his looks without being shoved into the “oh he wants to be a woman!” box?
I don’t know what to think when its comes to this story, Bruce does creep me out a bit always did… I do remember a story about Kris saying he cross dresses and for some reason I think that is true… What gets me is that no one from his camp has come forward to deny it.. Growing your hair not a big deal getting for nails done not a big but combine that with his adams apple shaved down then that gives you something to think about plus he seems to have boobs.
I don’t know how true this is but I thought he would have to see a therapist or someone professional to talk it over to see if he really wants to go there. From what I’ve read, It’s usually a long drawn out process and it doesn’t happen overnight like the Enquirer is implying.
Whatever if he’s happy that’s fine with me.
It wouldn’t surprise me if he was contemplating gender reassignment. He already looks like a woman. Is it fair for the press to report on his change if he decides to going through it? Maybe. He was on a reality show about his family, what does he expect? I can’t believe his wife’s need to be famous was a sudden need. He knew what kind of woman he was marrying and what her values were. I doubt her values were that different from his….at least in the beginning of their marriage.
Whhhhy is everyone believing this story? IT KAME FROM KRIS JENNER!!!! It is just a plot line for the tv show, folks! This story line and potential divorce are the ONLY story line that is about the parents and it gives them a reason to be on the show and get camera time.
Do you REALLY think Kris would tell the press that he wears nail polish, etc., if she didn’t want to give the hint that he was a cross-dresser? Do you really think that TMZ is getting any of their “surgery” information from anyone other than Kris? TMZ and PMK are super tight, she has them on speed dial. Anything Kardashian related on TMZ comes from PMK.
It’s kind of refreshing to visit here and read a report regarding Bruce. Y’all aren’t reporting for “shock value” like everyone else is. Bruce should be able to transition on his own terms descreetly if that’s what he wants to do. Some of the other reports i’ve read are disgusting. Bringing up his past life, how he was less feminine then and all the surgery he’s had. Blah blah blahhh. It’s bullying. Plain and simple.
Bruce deserves to be happy. He has been treated badly by many of the Ks (the children he raised who don’t even call him dad) and now he needs to do whatever he needs to do for himself.
I can’t figure out where this rumor started, if there was ever a shred of any reason for anyone to think Bruce might feel that he is transgender, or, more likely, was this a fabrication that got repeated so often that it’s become an internet “known fact”? I am not someone who thinks a man growing his hair long or wearing nail polish necessarily means he’s hankering for gender reassignment, so I’m wondering where this came from and if there’s any remote facts behind it?
Meanwhile, i don’t personally care one way or the other, and generally feel that people should be free to be who and what they are. But I DO find it interesting that the general concensus on here seems to be that Bruce should somehow be excluded from any and all criticism just because he might be contemplating a life change that everyone wants to support, if it’s even true. If someone is deserving of criticism as a Kardashian/ extended family Kardashian, if he deserves that criticism b/c of how he’s lived his life and raised his kids, how he’s worked the press and public for his own gain, whatever one might say about him, those things don’t become suddenly not true just because he’s transitioning to a woman. Even if you want to be supportive of this process and this struggle, which may be imaginary anyway, doesn’t mean he’s suddenly “deserving” of a privacy and delicacy he gave up years ago. It’s almost reverse descrimination, to treat him like a delicate flower who can’t be criticized or commented upon in any capacity, just because he is possibly transgender.
If this is true then I wish him the best, but I think the reportage is getting way ahead of itself here. Having seen a few eps of the KUWTK, nothing in his personality has ever indicated this would be something he is open to. He seems like a very straight/occasionally borderline macho homophobe. And yes I get those who say this doesn’t rule it out, but still, it’s not insignificant. I do think he has some form of body dysmorphia, to have had such dramatic plastic surgery when he was a young, handsome man is highly unusual, keeping in mind this was before he got involved with all the plastic Kardashians. Especially given that he was such a great athlete, it does fascinate me that someone who could achieve physical perfection, gold medals, etc could be so alien from their body as to mutilate it at a young age. So who knows what is going on. I’m surprised at the amount of people defending PMK in all this, wasn’t she originally the source of some of these rumours, or am I wrong?
Gotta say: way to go, Celebitchians. We’ve got a helluva lot of Bruce support and goodwill going on here. It gives me hope! best wishes to all–enya.
My goodness, what did that woman do to him? Can’t believe he would do this to his young daughters….