We have two new chapters in the Woody Allen-Dylan Farrow saga. Both are very “TL;DR” except I did sit here and read both articles, as I’m sure many of you will too. First, late Friday evening (I think it actually dropped in the middle of the American airing of the Olympics Opening Ceremony), the NY Times published Woody Allen’s rebuttal op-ed online. This was expected – there was widespread reporting that Woody had approached the NYT about his response and they agreed to publish it.
As for what Woody actually has to say… well, it’s very long. I’m not going to cut-and-paste it. You can read the whole thing here at the NYT. By now, you’re probably pretty familiar with Woody’s argument, because he makes a lot of the same points that his lawyer made on the Today Show earlier last week. The basic gist: he never molested Dylan, this is all some huge plot cooked up by Mia Farrow many years ago and Mia is still pulling Dylan’s strings even today. Woody says that Mia is consumed with jealousy and vindictiveness about all things – about Woody still winning awards, about his relationship with Soon Yi, etc. Woody also slams Mia for hypocrisy because Mia got with Frank Sinatra when she was 19 and then Mia got so judgy (I’m paraphrasing) about Woody’s relationship with Soon Yi. Woody also goes hard after Mia’s current claims that Ronan Farrow is really Frank’s son, and Woody points out that he paid child support for Ronan for years too. You get the idea: Saint Woody thinks he’s better than Psycho Slut Mia.
Dylan responded to Woody’s op-ed within hours in a statement to THR – you can read the statement here. She basically says that Woody is made of lies and perversions and she makes bullet points to refute some of Woody’s claims. She again claims that her goal is to encourage other victims to speak out, and she reiterates the fact that she “won’t let the truth be buried and I won’t be silenced.” My interpretation of the point-counterpoint… Woody focuses his anger squarely on Mia and dismisses Dylan out of hand, as if she is still a “confused” child. The level of vitriol Woody still has for Mia is interesting. If we weren’t talking about child molestation, this would be a ridiculous story about how Woody and Mia still have a lot of unresolved hatred for each other and how they’re still capable of getting under each other’s skin.
As this splintered family continues to duke it out in the public sphere, I do wonder how much more we’re going to hear from Dylan, from Woody and even from Mia, Moses and Ronan. Will we hear from some of the other Farrow children as well? There are a lot of them. A lot of versions yet to come. If this goes on another week like it has… I might need to start drinking again. I’ve been off liquor for a while, but I could really go for, like, a really strong mojito right now. I kind of think Cate Blanchett could use a stiff drink too.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Team Farrow for ever and ever. The man is scum.
+ way to derail the conversation by pointing away from himself using “crazy woman” trope, how original…
Cheap Trick is 100% correct, and Thank you, IzzyB!
I’m providing a link directly to the entire 33 Page “Allen v. Farrow Custody Ruling, June 7, 1993” – http://www.scribd.com/doc/205403621/Allen-v-Farrow-Custody-Ruling-June-7-1993
This is the only document you need to read to cut through all the bullshit misinformation and misdirection astroturfing campaign to deliberately tire and confuse the public into letting someone else do their thinking for them.
Although I’d already read and posted huge swaths of this completely unequivocal Court Ruling, I only made it to Page 24 before I had to put it down. In a bit, I’ll finish it reading it to the end. I just had to take a break because that’s when it starts Satchel’s/Ronan’s story; I couldn’t handle reading about yet another of WA’s children being chewed up and spit out by his coterie of high priced attack dogs.
For anyone who thinks we commenters have unfairly pilloried Woody Allen, I only have ONE question, “Have you read this 33 Page Report?” If your answer is YES, I’d like to see your thoughts. Mrs. Darcy makes an excellent point about keeping the discourse civil and constructive.
This 10 Facts is worth a good read, as is the copy of the 33 page court document at the bottom of the article.
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts
Gave me much perspective.
Read the court document last night – Jesus, Woody Allen does not come out of that well. It ought to be required reading for anyone before they even start to comment on this case.
What strikes me – given that Woody is STILL trying to sell his Jealous Mia Brainwashed My Daughter BS – is the extent to which Mia tried to accommodate Woody throughout their relationship. They hook up, he says he wants nothing to do with her kids, she agrees. Later, when a psychologist identifies his behaviour around Dylan as abnormally intense, Mia gets him therapy and allows him to still see Dylan, albeit not unsupervised. Even after Dylan says Woody molested her, Mia asks her daughter if she might not be mistaken, if “daddy didn’t really do that”. And then for twenty years, this vindictive harpy…just got on with raising her children, while Woody Allen’s career has continued to thrive without a dent?
Bottom line, even if you accept that he didn’t molest Dylan on that day, in that room, his behaviour with her (as reported by witnesses) on other occasions is not the behaviour of a loving father, but of a man with no concept of appropriate physical and emotional boundaries between family members. He behaved inappropriately with his adopted daughter, he had an affair with his children’s sister, and he tore that family apart, and now seems to show no remorse for the pain he inflicted on them.
Maybe he was never charged, never convicted, but if nothing else he is exposed as a thoroughly loathsome man with no regard for the feelings of others.
@ Londerland: Well said and I agree totally. We may never know beyond a shadow of a doubt what happened on that particular day, but the evidence from the 3 different court hearings is clear that Woody Allen crossed a lot of boundaries, both personal and sexual, and shows no remorse or understanding for any of the damage that he inflicted. This to me seems clear that Woody Allen is a crap human being at best, and perhaps a clinical psychopath at worst.
I believe Dylan, but I don’t think you have to believe her in order to recognize what type of person Woody Allen is.
In his June 1993 ruling, [Judge Elliot] Wilk also denied Allen any visitation rights with Dylan or his older adopted child with Farrow, 15-year-old Moses. In May 1994, in a hearing considering custody or increased visitation for Allen, the Appellate Division of the state Supreme Court cited a “clear consensus” among psychiatric experts involved in the case that Allen’s “interest in Dylan was abnormally intense.”
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/culturebox/2014/01/did_woody_allen_molest_his_adopted_daughter_22_years_ago_reviewing_the_evidence.html
Woody Allen in the October 4, 1976 People Magazine issue:
“I try to have sex only with women I like a lot,” Woody explains solemnly. “Otherwise I find it fairly mechanical.” (He has little interest in family life: “It’s no accomplishment to have or raise kids. Any fool can do it.”)
He goes on: “I’m open-minded about sex. I’m not above reproach; if anything, I’m below reproach. I mean, if I was caught in a love nest with 15 12-year-old girls tomorrow, people would think, yeah, I always knew that about him.” Allen pauses. “Nothing I could come up with would surprise anyone,” he ventures helplessly. “I admit to it all.”
I hope they lock him up for good!
Agreed. After reading the ten facts, I am convinced he did it.
After reading that list, it shows just how sick both Woody and Mia are. She said that he fondled his 2-3 year old daughter. Why did she not immediately call the police and leave him? Disgusting! Team Dylan!
I haven’t watched a WA movie since I found out who he is married to, so I found this article to be both enlightening and appalling. What do the celebitches think?
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/dylan-farrow-woody-allen-movies?src=soc_twtr
chilling. He’s disgusting. You would have to be willfully blind not to believe Dylan Farrow. I hope Hollywood opens their eyes to this creep; he needs to go away and leave Dylan in peace.
This is a good read too.
http://gawker.com/woody-allen-is-not-a-monster-he-is-a-person-like-my-f-1518291644
the ONLY thing worse than a child abuser is a lying child abuser
How anyone can read that ruling and come out on any side other than Mia Farrow, Dylan and the kids is beyond me. I wonder how he manipulated Moses into believing him after all these years. What a sick f*ck. Anyone who works with him after reading that ruling should be ashamed of themselves. This is no longer “he said/she said.” And how on earth did NY state allow them to adopt children. I guess money talks! I hope Soon-Yi has kept a close eye on them at all times.
While I never intended to comment on this again because it is gut-wrenchingly sickening, and I am powerless to create resolve, I do feel motivated to say this: The man takes no responsibility for any harm he caused the family and it appears that he is devoid of true empathy and self retrospection.
Even if Mia was cheating with Frank at the time, Frank was outside of the family unit. Woody didn’t know about it. Woody proceeded to embark on a sexual relationship with a member of the family that, although he has stated he didn’t raise, he was surely aware of since she was a small child, and he was aware that she shared siblings with the other children that he either fathered or adopted.
“I was in the blissful early stages of a happy new relationship with the woman I’d go on to marry”. His framing of this relationship, with one of the siblings of his children, and the daughter of the woman for which he had a committed enough relationship that he made legal their shared parentage of children, as a completely innocent endeavor, is astonishingly tone deaf and demonstrably narcissistic. He acknowledges no impact outside of what it meant for his own desires. Even with all of the time that has passed, even if he remains with his wife, and even if Mia is the craziest woman to ever exist on the planet, he still can’t accept any wrong-doing, harm, or grossly inappropriate crossing of boundaries. He sees his relationship with Soon Yi in a vacuum, for his own purposes and pleasure, with no regard for other people it affected. Not even his own children. Not even after contemplation does he have a revelation that his actions set in motion the entire set of circumstances, even if I am to accept that he isn’t a molester.
He needn’t have apologized for his present day marriage, but he sure as hell could have analyzed his own decisions made with arrogant selfishness, years ago, that obliterated this family unit. There was not one apology for the harm that he caused, not to Mia, not to the other children, not to Soon Yi, who also lost siblings in the aftermath. He pens himself as a guiltless victim of other people’s malignant personalities and motives, much like how he might write himself as a character in a script.
If for nothing else, even if I leave for suspension of disbelief as to him not being a child molester, I find him revolting for being callous and self-serving, with a life truly unexamined. His ignorance, responding in the manner that he did, perpetuating and even fueling a feud with Mia, should also be noted, in contrast to whatever brilliance he is routinely credited with. He threw kerosene on a flame and offered no contrition, even in the smallest degree. He mentions that there is pain, but accepts no burden of it. He is intellectually dishonest in his assessment of personal culpability, which then calls into question everything that he defends or advances. I’m done.
“effected”..sorry, no editing before hitting post.
Word. Brava, my lady.
Perfectly and beautifully stated, Kiddo. I could not have said this better myself.
Wonderful analysis.
Well said, Kiddo!
Perfect. I’m too sickened to reply to Woody’s delusional rant, so I’m really glad that Kiddo nailed it.
Perfectly stated. Even if he never had molested Dylan, he behaved morally despicable when marrying Soon-Yi. His inabilty to knowledge that makes his “truth”very implausible.
@Liv, who wrote: “Even if he never had molested Dylan, he behaved morally despicable when marrying Soon-Yi. His inabilty to knowledge that makes his “truth”very implausible.”
He’s calling Mia ‘vindictive?’ He made Soon-Yi sign a contract that either was, or later became, part of the prenuptial agreement that she would never, ever have any contact with her family … meaning Mia and the majority of siblings who thought he was a monster. The saddest part of this whole thing for me? He probably convinced Soon-Yi that Mia was so angry because she was just jealous; not because she was Soon-Yi’s mother and Woody was in all but name her step-father.
And he keeps framing his argument as if Soon-Yi was an independent available ‘woman’ when he first desired her. Soon-Yi was 10 or 11-years-old when Woody Allen got togehter with Mia. Exactly ‘when’ did Soon-Yi’s ‘womanly charms’ first attract him?
Emma, what is your source about the contract he made Soon-Yi sign? I’d be interested to know.
Why are you quoting me?
@Liv …
I was agreeing with you and continuing in the same vein. I wasn’t calling you out or anything. Sorry if you thought so. (Blush)
@Liv
Emma always does that, probably just in case the comment ends up in the wrong spot–so that people know what she’s referring to in her comment.
@Miis Jupitero, who wrote: “Emma, what is your source about the contract he made Soon-Yi sign? I’d be interested to know.”
Unfortunately, I can’t find any original ‘hard fact’ articles about the prenup, because even in December 1997 the majority of news and gossip was still in hard copy (I didn’t read about the prenup on the Internet). The Inernet is now saturated with articles about Dylan’s op-ed, Woody Allen’s response, and Dylan’s response to Woody Allen’s response. I’ve only found a reference to the prenup in a December 25, 1997 article with breaking news about Wood Allen and Soon-Yi Previn’s marriage, with a recap of the previous Woody Allen and Soon-Yi Previn gossip, the highlights of the prenup, and a Woody Allen spokesman saying there never was a prenup. Here’s the link:
http://articles.philly.com/1997-12-25/news/25554706_1_leslee-dart-previn-biological-son
Lack of info dosn’t surprise me though. If you Google Julie Stiles’ dating history all you get is pages and pages of ‘Julia Stiles Home-wrecks Michael C. Hall’s Marriage’ from 2010.
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Brilliant and moving post, Kiddo, Thank you. As a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, I am sometimes too quick to react emotionally but you have put into words precisely the problem with his ‘denial’. He has now, nor will he ever, take responsibility for his actions – typical of an abuser. Thanks again, Kiddo xxxx
Kiddo, You’ve written a beautiful post on the ugliest of vile men.
It seems like you reached a point, like Dylan, where you couldn’t hold in your silence anymore. You’ve written of realizing speaking out doesn’t ‘resolve’ anything. Even as that may be, you are helping countless others, not only adult survivors to come forward and/or to heal in their own way, but you’re also helping innumerable people by bringing knowledge to the table no one wants to sit at.
As much as it takes out of you to write about this pedophile’s Evil, that pain is more than equaled by the breadth of you touching an even wider audience with Good. Your post is completely worth it because it’s almost certain to be preventing another child from being sexually abused by alerting a suspicious adult in their lives.
Letters like yours and Dylan’s, show us what it means to take be brave, to take heart, to stand your ground, and to proclaim the truth in boldly ringing tones no one can ignore. You show adult survivors (and everyone really) the way through to a meaningfully happy life. You are making a difference.
Thank you.
Excellent analysis, right on point. I totally agree with you.
Yes, even IF Mia is as terrible as he says, even IF he didn’t molest Dylan, his actions outside those two events speak volumes. That’s the problem with his argument. Even if what he says is true, he is still a terrible person. Wonderfully said.
Someone posted a you tube video after all this came out and that was what really stood out was how he took no responsibility – and how he justified EVERYTHING – and takes responsibility for NOTHING. That you tube video was creepier than The Shining.
Very well said.
Thanks Kiddo, beautifully explained. As Hubbahun said above, as an abuse child survivor I get too emotional sometimes, which detracts from any argument I could make.
Thanks 🙂
@Kiddo …
Well, and most eloquently, said.
@Kiddo –
You should definitely send this letter to the New York Times! Thank you for posting this. Well done!
Agreed! Very well written – and directly points to the maddening part of Woody’s attitude and ‘logic’ in responding to these ‘claims’. For me, it reinforces that he did it – because only someone who could so clearly and carefully disassociate himself from any real perspective or responsibility could execute molestation of an adopted child with no guilt or conscience. He is truly a sick bastard and I hope that he does suffer from his actions. Ignoring him for his ‘work’ in Hollywood is a good start. No one who has inflicted this much harm with such arrogance and callousness needs to experience the karma that goes with it in SOME form. I do believe he did it. And finally, many other are too..
“For me, it reinforces that he did it – because only someone who could so clearly and carefully disassociate himself from any real perspective or responsibility could execute molestation of an adopted child with no guilt or conscience.”
@ParisPucker- Totally. I wonder if he actually doesn’t view what he did to Dylan as “sexual molestation,” and thus feels as though he is telling the truth. Which is the scariest interpretation to me, because it brings into question lines he may cross with his current underage daughters.
Exactly, completely on point. His lack of empathy is stunning, although it shouldn’t be. Everything about Woody Allen is all about him, all the time.
I have nothing to add but applause.
Perfectly stated, Kiddo….
I totally agree with you, Kiddo, I don’ t tell anything more, ’cause you already said everything I’m thinking about this man.
A symphony applause.
*slow claps*
His shoving the blame onto everyone else BUT Woody tells me that Dylan is telling the truth more than anything else. Classic pedophile/abuser behavior right there. Further try to shame and knock down the victim to regain control and show them that he’s still the boss. It’s transparent and text book.
Kiddo, you have said it perfectly. Thank you for the relief I feel just in reading your words–the kind of relief that comes of knowing that the truth you would fight right down to the mat for has been set out clearly for everyone to see. Seriously, thank you for that.
I’m so obsessed with this right now, for personal reasons, as I’ve said before, but mostly for Dylan and the other victims of WA’s pathological selfishness, perversity, sexual opportunism, dishonesty, and utter lack of conscience and human empathy.
I’m just spinning with moral outrage after having sat up all night reading everything I could find on this case, including the complete 33-page ruling by the judge in the 1992 custody case that ended with Woody losing visitation rights–and oh my god, there are details in there that made my f’ing jaw drop. This document has just been made available in its totality for the first time ever (damn, I think I found it at HuffPo, but am so exhausted right now I can’t remember.), and it reveals, in the judge’s own words, the extent of Woody Allen’s duplicity, cravenness, heedlessness, and cruelty. I’m about to drop right now, and I apologize for not having the link handy. I hope someone else will provide it downthread, or someone can find it by Googling. PLEASE read it if you want to get at the truth of this man’s character! Appalling!
It needs to be said, I think, in case I sound like I’m on a witch-hunt, that I grew up WORSHIPPING Woody Allen. I was in college and studying to be a writer when I discovered his films, and I loved the way he could address both simple and complex human issues with a kind of skewering humor. Hell, I wanted to BE him, a female him, and take on the mysterious terrain of human behavior, the mystery of two people alone in a room, because that’s where everything really begins–even war and economic theory! I would tell other writers, “If you can’t make me laugh, you won’t be able to make me cry, because humor is the foreplay to essential human understanding.
Well, shit. So I’m doubly shattered and f’ing flummoxed by the new truths that are emerging and joining forces with the old truths that came out when all this first happened–i’m shattered both as a survivor of abuse, and as a former devotee of all things Woody Allen. Gotta sleep now, but thank you again, Kiddo, for taking the time to write your articulate, succinct, and persuasive summary. It actually relaxed me to know you’d got it all down that way. Now I’m gonna try to sleep.
Here’s the link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danny-shea/heres-the-1993-woody-alle_b_4746866.html?1391802520
G’night. Yeah i know it’s not night.
Wishing you peaceful rest, LadidahBaby.
Thank you, Kiddo, Sloane W., for your thoughtful analyses!
I am truly, deeply appreciative of Dylan for her bravery, and to the Celeb-tches here that have shown support, shared their experiences, and just generally banded together, for the good of humankind. The comments of supporters speak volumes, and today, I hear their voices – LOUD, STRONG, UNWAVERING in truth. I am uplifted, and grateful.
Great post, LahdidahBaby! I wish you a good night’s sleep!
Nicegirl, I appreciate how kind you’ve been, so I’m highjacking a little to say Thank You. Occasionally, my posts will get massaged out of the comments section, and some of them were responding to you.
“The comments of supporters speak volumes, and today, I hear their voices – LOUD, STRONG, UNWAVERING in truth.” – THIS.
I have to join in with the applause. That was beautifully stated. We all rise with a thundering slow clap.
Excellent analysis.
I agree 100%, Kiddo.
*insert that gif of Orson Welles applauding with an expression of righteous fury*
Nailed it. Perfect.
Kiddo
WOW
YOU NAILED IT
thx
@kiddo: you are brilliant. I could not have articulated that better. Not in a quizillion years. Thank you.
Kiddo- this is perfect, and gives words to that “icky” feeling reading his letter gave me, which I couldn’t quite articulate but which I knew had the adverse effect of making me feel less sympathetic towards him. Bravo!
Kudos to you. Couldn’t have said it better myself. Woody Allen makes my skin crawl.
Kiddo, this is perfectly stated. Thank you.
And Beyonce style mic drop.
Thanks Kiddo.
Amazing Kiddo. A brilliant assessment indeed.
Perfect Kiddo. Thank you.
This is going to be my first time commenting on this whole saga
Basically….. anyone who can follow the paperwork here can conclude one thing for sure, (1) the 1992 investigation into the sexual assault was grossly mishandled from the very beginning (2) from the beginning, Allen has tried to get ahead of the story at every turn using the means of his name, achievements and status. Social workers who refuse to testify and only offer depositions through a Doctor that has never interviewed the victim??? Refusal to take a state
polygraph and insistence on using one you have paid to be administered? Touting incomplete summaries of investigations in which your money supplied most of the evidence? Woody is guilty of all the above.
Not to mention, if he and Mia were together for 12 years, and Soon-Yi Previn was 19, when she and Woody started fooling around, this would mean that Soon-Yi was seven years old when Allen and Farrow began dating. Allen says he was never a father figure to the girl and she already had an adoptive father. In fact, apparently he never even lived w Mia, BUT he was around enough to be a father figure to Moses Farrow who is only 5 years younger than Soon-Yi, as well as Dylan and Ronan?????? How does that work??
Its important to read this… http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts.
I think Woody’s letter is going to cause him more harm than good because the persecutor has come out retirement and is granting interviews.. This has just gotten interesting. Dylan keep being strong we are behind you.
Source about the prosecutor coming out of retirement? If Allen finally gets pulled into court to answer for himself…. Oh my, that would be golden.
Yes! He recently granted an interview to ABC
On ABC Saturday evening news the prosecutor said 1.he found there was probable cause.2 there was no evidence of manipulation by Mia 3.He asked Mia if she wanted to be present when he interviewed Dylan,she said No.So Mia was not present.
That article is important, a judge stated that Dylan needed to be protected from her father… that to me says A LOT.
Kiddo-you said this much better than I ever could. I agree 100%.
Me, too.
He’s gross. I believe everything Mia and Dylan have to say about him.
I agree. Who marries their step daughter? Sicko. He can pretend he wasnt her step father but he was, in practice, and he is an incestous pervert and I believe Dylan. I will never watch a woody allen movie ever again
Woody Allan is a fcking liar. I wish I believed in Karma because he is grossly overdue for a serious Karma-slap upside the head.
As a survivor I know the rage one feels against an unexposed predator. The “Oh, he’s such a great guy” you hear from other people while knowing the monster that lurks beneath the facade. I was silent out of shame, but my silence left him free to prey upon others. And he did.
@ Ruyana. I don’t know what to say except that it take a lot of strength to get from victim to survivor, so good for you for getting there, and same to every other poster here or those who are just starting that very hard journey. As for Allen, he looks frail, but he’s still got a few years left ,I’m sure, to be dealt out what he deserves.
This is a sad situation. I’ve always felt Allen was guilty and despise all the support this man gets from Hollywood. The man could somehow find a cure for cancer and I’d still think he was scum! It’s also idiotic when celebs (Walters and many more) who claim since they are friends with Woody Allen, he of course is innocent of molestation. Are people this stupid? Do you honestly believe a pervert is going to openly molest a kid in front of them? Hate to break it to idiots, but pedophiles aren’t always lurking in bushes ready to abduct a child. They are usually family or people the children trust! I just can’t with his man or his supporters.
My eyes were opened when the lead case worker from our local children’s advocacy center provided an overview of what they deal with on a daily basis. The sheer number of reported cases was staggering (further imagining how many go unreported).
One thing that stayed with me from her presentation was that people often assume most sexual abuse cases are perpetrated by strangers when the vast majority of the cases they see involve known, trusted individuals (members of family, church, sports, etc.). She said that many parents have agonized over how they never suspected people they trusted and allowed around their children.
I have always suspected he may be guilty, too. This latest round has not done anything to change that opinion. Actually, it only solidifies it.
This–if his only defense is that Mia’s crazy, then that tells you something.
This is a man who is worth millions, who just let this go–his custody over his kids, etc. If I had been accused of child molestation, and I was innocent, I would’ve let them do whatever it was they had to do to clear me. And this is if I was broke, not if I had millions of dollars.
The fact that he just let it go, is a huge red flag to me.
Also–he doesn’t even acknowledge Dylan, really. He says that she ‘fantasized’ about it or something like that (which is creepy, given that she was SEVEN YEARS OLD), and doesn’t even really talk about her. I would think that given he is her biological father, he would be trying to repair the relationship, would say something, to the press, along the lines of—I didn’t do it, I hope Dylan is healthy/happy, etc. But he can’t even fake that.
Such a fking creep. Who knows what goes on with his kids w/Soon Yi.
‘Who knows what goes on with his kids w/Soon Yi.”
Virgi, I think we all know exactly what is going on with his adopted daughters. The question is, will anyone do something about it?
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I believe Dylan. Reading her letter a few days ago hurt my heart and my stomach. Seeing her name makes me feel that same pain. I believe her and so do hundreds of thousands, if not millions of abuse survivors.
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I believe her, too. Reading her letter was both troubling and sickening. The more he says, the more I think she is absolutely telling the truth.
“They are usually family or people the children trust!”
Yes. They usually have the trust of children’s parents, as well. The overwhelming majority of child sexual abuse happens in very close social circles – family, close friends, neighbors, etc.
An interesting and sad essay about the ramifications of staying friends with rapists: http://feministing.com/2014/02/06/dont-be-friends-with-rapists/ I wonder if those who continue to be his friends and refuse to “pick a side” understand that is exactly what they have done.
Woody Allen indicts himself with his own word and actions, Lucinda.
His letter is so textbook for pedophiles, he may as well sent the NY Times his signed and notarized full confession.
Child sex abusers reserve their worst vitriol for the one who gives them the most consequences. While a pedophile like Woody Allen typically falls back on the textbook tactic of disparaging their victims, he is foaming at the mouth with rage that Mia got in his way and publicly defied him showed him for the perversely evil slime he is.
@Sloane,
He is so textbook that it was shown that he did everything within his power to divide the family, pit one against the other, and it was the judge that asserted it in explaining his ruling. That is what abusers/pedophiles do- divide and conquer, isolate….And he has succeeded to some extent. And of course, predictably smear the victim(s).
The worst thing about HuffPost is that most of the raging defenders of this pervert are men.
@Virgilia….Woody is not Dylan’s bio father…He and Mia adopted Dylan together….
If there is any lingering doubt about what truly sick predator this man is, read that vanity fair article linked in Dylan’s response. It erased all doubt and explained why he was never prosecuted. I hope this is the last we have to hear of this, but that his career fades away and no actors of note continue to work with him.
Just the fact he claims he simply blew off the initial allegations is weird. Who dismisses getting accused if something so horrible?
There are so many ways to start when one wishes to parse his narcissistic, absurdist denial. One aspect that just blows my mind is this:
“The self-serving transparency of her malevolence seemed so obvious I didn’t even hire a lawyer to defend myself. It was my show business attorney who told me she was bringing the accusation to the police and I would need a criminal lawyer. […] I naïvely thought the accusation would be dismissed out of hand […]”
1. A healthy response to an unjust accusation of this gravity, given that he has resources to do so, would have been to instantly hire a lawyer and go after Mia for calumny, slander, you name it. He has a lot of money and power. Had he been innocent, he would have immediately responded in a firm, unequivocal way.
2. This mealy-mouthed “I naïvely thought the accusation would be dismissed out of hand” is ridiculous.
An innocent person, especially one with lots of money, does not put on a bewildered, vaguely put-upon act and assume that the problem will go away. An innocent person would become incredibly incensed and respond with vigor.
He made himself look a LOT worse with this rebuttal.
My thoughts exactly! I’ve always believed Dylan, but even if I hadn’t, the fact that Woody hand-waved MOLESTATION accusations would instantly have me on Dylan’s side. It’s not like he was accused of something inconsequential, like jaywalking or stealing a candy bar, he was accused of one of the worst crimes you can commit. An innocent person wouldn’t have been so blasé about it.
Agreed!
I disagree. I would do the same. If someone was accusing me of something that I thought was blatantly untrue I would let it go. I would let my unspecialized lawyer handle it. I wouldn’t fight too hard because I would imagine that it was as obvious to everyone else that it was untrue. Using his regular film lawyer makes him less guilty to me. Also, if you’re long term lover is a bit difficult, it also makes sense to me that you fall for someone nearby. This whole case is odd. He said, she said and we might never know. It seems like a weird overly full house.
Well, Jess, Woody Allen learned quickly enough to hire a battery of high priced lawyers and PR firms to disseminate propaganda through astroturfing.
There are NO depths this filth will not stoop to.
Jess,
Seven days after the molestation accusation surfaced Woody sued Mia for custody of Dylan, Satchel, and Moses. He hardly blew it off as he’s trying to say in this latest salvo.
Regardless of her age Soon-Yi was still Mia’s daughter. She lost everything because of Woody, her mother, the only home she’d ever known and all of her siblings, and Woody knew it and did not care AT ALL. He could not be more self-serving.
And, I’m sorry, but how can you say that it makes sense to you that if one’s partner is ‘a bit difficult’ that it makes sense to fall for someone nearby, in this particular situation? Seriously, you think it’s normal to ‘fall for’ a lover’s child? Like Woody Allen, a longtime world famous director, hardly knew any other people who were not somehow related to Mia Farrow? Please, that is beyond ridiculous, and rather disturbing.
@Jess,
If you loved your daughter and it was all a lie, you would not let it go. You would try to get to the bottom of it, try to reconcile etc.
If your long term lover failed you, any normal man would not seek comfort with her daughter. GEEEEEEZ.
Well, of course, HE’S the victim (according to him). So predictable.
Oh and for those who haven’t seen it, the Huffington Post published the legal decision on Allen and Farrow’s custody case:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4746866
The details are pretty damning. Allen’s oped is filled with easily refuted lies, and the hole he is in just gets deeper and deeper.
This! Woody has got it coming am glad this is finally happening.
WA has opened a can of worms with his name on it.
ITA, Jupiter, especially the part where he denies ever being in the attic. WA lied to the police too, who on the record completely refute his story.
On Jan. 6, 1993, Allen appeared at the state police barracks in Litchfield for a three-and-a-half hour interview. He denied assaulting Dylan. He denied ever having been in the crawl space.
But Allen did say he might have reached into the crawl space on occasion, either to grab one of the children or to give them a soda. State police reminded Allen that to reach into the crawl space, he would have had to enter a small closet first. Allen vehemently denied entry to the crawl space.
But when state police told Allen they had taken fingerprints from the crawl space, he said it was possible that he is prints would be found there. State police characterized Allen’s statements as inconsistent. – t-Today/September-2013/Mia-Farrows-Vanity-Fair-Interview-References-1997-Connecticut-Magazine-Article/index.php?cparticle=3&siarticle=2
Sorry for the bad link:
http://www.connecticutmag.com/Blog/Connecticut-Today/September-2013/Mia-Farrows-Vanity-Fair-Interview-References-1997-Connecticut-Magazine-Article/index.php?cparticle=3&siarticle=2
All this story is exshausting, seriously.
And more Woody Allen speaks more he comes out like a real asshole.
I am and adopted child and my parents are the persons who raised me, so fort me he became an awful person when he married Soon Y aka his son’s sister.
But most of alla: how is it possible this man and Soon Y were able to adopt???
Saddenly I know the answer: money.
According to the recent Vanity Fair article files from the case went missing so the adoption agency didn’t see those so there would have been no red flag to his adoptions of those two girls with Soon Yi. I also suspect that the agency was paid off because even if they didn’t have the molestation allegations the fact that they let man who poached from his children’s siblings adopt shows gross negligence on the part of the adoption agency.
I have not commented much on this. I don’t know what to think.
I just don’t know what the outcome is suppose to be. What does each side want. I see that Dylan wants her story out there. And Woody wants his story out there. Now the back and forth. She says this; He says that. She counters; He counters. Is it possible to refile charges; can she file a civil suit. what is going to happen? Does she want legal action. Does she want Hollywood to boycott him and his films. How is all of this going to end..and what is the desired end.
I find it all very sad.
Dylan wants other survivors to not be afraid to speak out. Our culture of blaming the victim, “refusing to take sides” and just wanting it all to go away protects the rapist. She is very brave and the more he refutes, the worse he looks. She is taking back her power by showing him she will NOT go away. It is very sad when people don’t get why she can’t just let it go.
She just wants the truth out there. And, as long as he calls her a liar and attacks her mother for brainwashing her, the more she will assert her truth.
She is very brave. That’s being lost in a lot of this. Dylan Farrow is very brave.
I think she wants what all abused or raped people want.. To get the truth out there, to get rid of the burden they heavily stood on their shoulders for many years….
It was bad for me to see a serial rapist to be celebrated as a good person… Can you imagine the nightmare to see this creep celebrated by everybody for his genius when you know it is not like that?
Firstly let me congratulate Kiddo for succinctly expressing her views. I absolutely believe Dylan Farrows first person account.
What I would like more would be for people not to discredit Mia Farrow as a crazy woman. What ever her life’s mistakes were, I totally empathise her behaviour as I would also absolutely, violently and obsessively protect and defend my children from a predator like Woody as long as he is alive!
After all Soon-Yi too is Mia’s daughter!
Notice in his whole disgusting rebuttal, he NEVER mentions the children, he never mentions how horrible any of this was/is for Dylan and the rest of the kids, including what he did with Soon-Yi. It’s only and always about HIM. And, the “crazy scorned woman” trope is strong with this tool.
And, the whole part where he attacks Ronan and his paternity is just WEIRD.
Also, shame on the NYT for giving him an Op-Ed and just making Dylan’s original statement a blog post. That rubs me the wrong way for some reason.
I don’t think there’s any getting around ramifications of having received treatment for inappropriate fixation on young Dylan nor his marriage to an adopted family member so many years his junior. Both damning facts, clearly exposing some unhealthy and dangerous interaction with children, ICK. I agree with all the commentors stating Woody’s open letter has dung himself into a bigger hole.
I don’t think there’s any getting around ramifications of having received treatment for inappropriate fixation on young Dylan nor his marriage to and adopted family family member so many years his junior. Both dancing facts, clearly exposing some unhealthy fixation with children. ICK. I agree with all the commenters stating Woody’s open letter have dung him into a big hole.
Sorry for the redundant 2nd passage
Woody keeps talking and digging a bigger hole for himself with every sentence imo. There’s a reason most lawyers tell a possibly guilty client not to testify. Every claim he makes can be checked against records from the time, or against our own sensibilities because as others have more eloquently stated, he seems to be clueless (by design) about the recklessness and inappropriateness of his actions and that’s not including anything Dylan related.
Jesus. I read the judge’s 33-page decision during the trial. i was horrified. I believe Dylan’s story 100%, and i feel that people forget that she is now a 28 year-old who went through extensive therapy. I doubt mia would still be able to brainwash her now.
Also, even if you choose to doubt her story, just reading how Woddy ripped that family apart is horrible. The kids lost their sister, they couldn’t even look at him anymore. In the report there is a letter from Moses that says he destroyed his dream of having a father. he tore that family to shreds and his only defense is : Soon-yi is not their biological sister? what the hell is wrong with him!! He demeaned adoption and the sacredness of the bond between the siblings. he is so horrible!!
http://www.vanityfair.com/dam/2014/02/woody-allen-1992-custody-suit.pdf
check it out if you have time.
Also, does anyone think cate blanchett will still win the oscar this year? I’m imagining her saying, ‘ I would like to thank woody Allen ‘….
I would like to see what would happen Oscar night if Cate wins. Want to know what she will say…
This is a message for actors in the future who would want to work with this creep!
Not for nothing but Mia instructing baby sitters not to leave him alone with Dylan and Mia not reporting it to the cops says a lot. Maybe Mia is SO adamant now because she feels guilty for not preventing it sooner.
You are right Mia never went to the police about the allegation of sexual abuse. Mia’s lawyer told her take Dylan to a pediatrician, who was bound by law to report Dylan’s story of sexual violation to law enforcement.
IT’s not Mia making the allegation but Dylan. Dylan was the one who was sexually assaulted by her father Woody Allen. The facts of the case have been public record for twenty years. Dylan’s story has not changed since the allegation was made in 1992. As others have pointed out read the 33 page custody ruling, Woody Allen against MIa Farrow. Woody lost the appeal.
This story is really becoming very tedious. Same thing every week, it’s going on forever. ..neither parts will step aside in their arguments and that is really becoming irritating. While I support the victims of child abuse and wish they seek their rights and speak out, I don’t understand why tje public has to be involved in all the drama which is going on between the Allen and Farrow family.
I know – it’s inane isn’t it.
Red Viper I think you’re trolling but I’m going to respond any way. Some of us grew up around this mythology that part of traveling in intellectual circles meant appreciating Woody Allen films, which are often horrifically misogynist. Male privilege often stands as a guard dog at the entrance to upper circles in education or industry only letting in women who acquiesce. Woody has been entirely unwilling to address or apologize for the damage he did and the hurt he caused his own children. He feels entitled to a young obedient wife groomed for him in his own home.
Because he is so high profile and his movies win awards for reflecting his own sick ideas about power over women, this issue is public. Whether or not Dylan’s memories are accurate, she has been undeniably traumatized by a man who was supposed to be her father. His extremely public callousness towards her is fair game for discussion.
Bettyrose, I’m not trolling. If you read my words that way I guess it’s your choice. I think I made a clear point that I support the victims of child abuse and I think that they should speak out and seek their rights. All I was saying in my previous post is that this story is going on for a really long while and having reached a dead end.I think Allen won’t confess what he did, which in my opinion is very rude ,disgraceful and even disgusting. My point is media is serving this story every day and it became tedious. Many victims are still unheard but we delve into this case.
I have two friends which were victims of child abuse and I truly feel for them.
I believe my words are wellbeing read this time. Please don’t read my words as trolling, that’s my point of view . Thank you.
@ redviper
The point is that Woody is being exposed. It’s not about him copping to it (because he never would and that’s what he’s fighting). He got exposed, this big man drowning in laurels, by this inconsequential woman, his daughter.
Because being silent only helps one party: Woody Allan & friends?!
I agree this should have been done differently – as the way this was done this was the only possible outcome
This is the attitude that helps perpetuate rape culture. And we do live in a rape culture.
So sorry if this makes you uncomfortable but victims speaking out and the support of people not directly related to the assault is the only thing that will help to change rape culture. When victims feel they will be supported and believed they speak out against predators. The same predators that will continue to assault and harm if they get away with their crimes because of silence. Silence only works for the wolves. Just ask every monster in the Catholic Church and the monsters that helped hide them for decades while supplying them with new victims.
Chances are you know someone who was raped or sexually abused. It may be someone you consider yourself close to but because they fear your response or repercussions they say nothing and live in a horrible silence. They live in a sense of shame because of something that was done to them, through no fault of their own and you think silence is better to having a voice.
PLUS INFINITY.
None of us thinks it’s tedious to hear the Lioness Dylan Roar The Truth. It never gets old watching a villain get their comeuppance and innocents prevail.
@Sloane
Especially because it’s very rare indeed, and especially for females.
You mean you’re the one who doesn’t like seeing it. Close the browser then. And you shouldn’t speak for the public as if we were all one entity.
Domestic and sexual abuse are social epidemics, they are not private issues. The law recognizes them as crimes and should be treated as such by all of us in my opinion. I don’t understand by what leap of logic or lack thereof some people equate familial discord without abuse with actual abuse. Seriously?
We should all open our eyes and step in and build ourselves a healthier society, not cultivate our own cowardice and discomfort.
Red Viper, I am glad you clarified your statement. I do understand what you are saying. There will be no legal conclusion to this. It makes it frustrating for everyone. We as a species want definite answers. It makes the world an easier place to live in when all things are black or white. It rarely happens in sexual assaults. I have a tendency to focus on minutia, one of my many faults. This case begs for people to focus on facts and timelines and speculation. This case is made of minutia and I have to force myself to see a bigger picture.It only takes a little bit to change the conversation about this case to all cases. Using this as a springboard we can have conversations about how we seem to value children but aren’t protecting them in out court system. We can have conversations about how white men of affluence have the deck stacked in their favor in cases of accusations of sexual assault. We can have a conversation about how women are seen as manipulators and vindictive and crazy when they accuse a man of assault. So many conversations.
I want Dylan and the all the victims of assault to be able to speak openly and clearly. We need to hear their voices. When you think of how few assault cases are reported and how few of those that are reported ever make it to trial, the numbers are heartbreaking. Being heard is often all that they will ever have.
We need to change the conversation about rape and sexual assault. Dylan is changing how we have those conversations. She has put a name and a face to assault. In order to protect victims, the media does not use names in reporting assault cases. Because of that it often feels like victims are made from the ether. Nameless and faceless, Jane and John Doe. Because the victims remain unnamed it is easier to dismiss them, to imagine they are not real and can’t be like anyone we know. By putting herself out there Dylan has made it possible for many who have suffered the same things to be able to speak.
For me, I hope Dylan never stops telling the truth.
I am so glad the world has you in it.
Very well said both here and all over this post.
Thank you for this post, Abbicci, well all of your posts on this story, and thank you Slaone Wyatt as well. You have both conveyed my feelings on this subject far better than I am capable of. Well said indeed.
I disagree. I think public outrage might be the only justice Dylan ever gets and Woody ever receives for his despicable actions. If the public is outraged enough that will put other self-centered actors on notice that they will be held accountable for choosing to work with him and will lose fans and public support and will not be getting awards for their performance. Just maybe this will be enough to shame them, after all it takes a lot to put hollyweird on notice.
red viper is entitled to her opinion, even if it’s counter to most people’s. I what she’s saying, and I don’t think there will be any resolution.
I believe Dylan Farrow. She certainly has nothing to gain by coming forward, and Allen has everything to lose if he admits he did it.
I guess the WA pr team isn’t working this board as hard as Huffpo,Gawkerand other various media outlets. The evil is appaling and vomit-worthy, but WA has millions $ and surely its not hard to find minions willing to stoop to this new low. His original crimes were vile enough, and those siding with this monster are just as bad or worse. ROT IN HELL.
Money Talks
Cult of Celebrity
Neither of those statements make any sense. Who is getting money from this, and who is participating in a cult of celebrity?
Rich powerful,famous celebrities are not treated the same as non celebs by the judicial system.My point was I think “Daniel Allen,the mechanic would have been charged with a crime.JMHO
No, those of us who are legitimate commenters here were appalled by the vitriol directed at us last week. I resent the implication that anyone who disagrees must necessarily be a shill for Woody Allen.
Maybe not a “shill for Woody Allen” but a pedophile-defender and victim-blamer. Or one of those women who figures if it didn’t happen to you, than whoever it has happened to you must have done something wrong/did something to deserve it. Much easier than acknowledging we’re an oppressed majority. Then you’d have to *gasp* do something about it!
Accused pedophile. And point me to a single comment on this or any other Celebitchy thread that has blamed Dylan for anything. Your tone is condescending and assumptive: it has happened to me, by a family member. I know I did nothing wrong. If Woody is guilty, I know Dylan did nothing wrong. I’d like to know *gasp* what you’re doing about it. Other than commenting on threads.
I think that anyone who isn’t 100% “I believe Dylan” on CB is now going to be labelled troll, shill, paedopile defender, victim blamer etc., when it’s clearly just anger and false accusations at any voice of dissent spreading like wildfire. No one has blamed Dylan, in either circumstance she is a victim. I have been a commenter for YEARS (do a Google search), so I don’t see the point in trying to have a rational two way on this one on here anymore. I have not been convinced either way as of yet, if that makes me a bad person so be it.
Very few if any of the “apologists” are saying he’s a pillar of society with a great moral background, or any of the other nonsense flung. I am simply saying it is not enough, for me, having read many accounts and books (more than many on these threads I imagine) on the subject, to say “Yes that man is definitely guilty”. And while I can see that his replied defense has incited further outrage in its lack of what, apologising for a crime he (claims) he didn’t commit? Sensitivity? Anyone with a cursory knowledge of the man behind the movies knows he is an emotionally stunted, highly intellectual weirdo. Of course he won’t be responding kindly towards Mia, she has launched an all out attack on him, what is he supposed to do, lay down and take it if he is in fact innocent? Everyone is quick to put themselves in Dylan’s shoes, imagine being falsely (as he claims) accused of a horrific crime, your life’s work and all its contributors impugned along with you?
He is incapable of responding in the language of Mia and Ronan and Dylan, they are overflowingly self confident media warriors, he is a little nebbishy near 80 year old man who doesn’t know what Twitter is. And no, this is not a defense. It is quite possible he is a guilty liar, but I take as much issue with Mia’s mishandling of the situation as anything else here. That is my dilemma, it doesn’t mean I don’t believe Dylan believes her own story or that Allen didn’t deserve to be punished for a crime if he was guilty.
They have succeeded in uniting victim’s voices, I would never knock that, if nothing else comes of this at least there is that. It is natural to defend what you believe in, especially when it hits close to home. I just wish that it was done when it could have settled the matter once and for all in a court of law because unlike most people it seems I am uncomfortable being put in the position of a public hangman.
@Seagull-just curious, have you read the 33 page report by the judge? I was pretty cautious about assuming WA’s 100% guilt, but after reading that–it was so damning. The only 2 people who “know” what really happened are Woody and Dylan, but the testimony of multiple other people involved in this case with no allegiance to either Mia or Woody pretty much put the nails in his coffin from my perspective.
@Mrs Darcy
I think that what so called ‘apologists’ actually dismiss is the voices of all the survivors who comment and who know from whence they speak. There are also the voices of those who are knowledgeable about sexual abuse. It is not that a dissenting opinion is not heard, it is that the overwhelming number of voices of the abused and knowledgeable are not heard and in effect, dismissed, as if all voices were equal on this topic.
PS I can’t believe you fell for his nebbishy persona! Seriously? Then I see how the predator succeeds.
WOODY – Give it up, you lost the argument years ago. You’re limply flogging a dead horse with a wet noodle and NOBODY believes you. This back and forth crap is just fruitless and boring. There is nothing you have said that does not dig your hole even deeper. Just go away and tuck your tail between your legs and keep it there. You and Polanski go to the hinterlands somewhere desolate and stay there.
Lol. Thanks for the comic relief GG
As a sexual abuse victim, I get goosebumps reading these comments from all you CB posters. Yall are able to express my feelings more beautifully and eloquently than I ever could. It makes me happy to see strong women and *some* men stand up for those of us who have been hiding in the dark of their pain and sufferings for so long, either out of shame or out of sheer pain and depression. I cant call myself a survivor yet because my hurt of the assault still plagues me and ive hidden it from my loved ones, however reading these strong supporters of Dylan and sexual abuse victims give me strength and hope by proxy. God bless yall. Yall give me hope and probably so many others.
You, hamommak918, have more than earned every right to call yourself a “VICTOR”!! This goes double for every Victor of child sex abuse.
Victors will always hide some of the (A LOT) of the details from their loved ones because they want to shield them from the evil they endured. You are like ‘Carl’ in last night’s episode of ‘Walking Dead’, you are ALIVE, and that means YOU WON!
This episode is a metaphor, momma, for doing really GREAT in the face of a really bad hand because you’ve survived. Every day you are above ground is a day where you might smile, where you might laugh, where you might love. Just by breathing, one day might be a day you CONNECT with people who love you more than life itself. That’s the day where you know what childhood should have been like.
In the meantime, you can choose to be the one loving OTHER PEOPLE freely; it doesn’t matter if they’re strangers to you. If you decide to love and help others and to give back when you have nothing left inside you, in spite of STILL living in a chasm of howling darkness and pain, YOU WIN.
I believe Dylan.
I believe Crystal Mangum…because, you know, rape culture ‘n’ stuff.
It seems clear that both Woody and Mia were and are unfit parents- neglectful at best and abusive at worst. It is really unfortunate that in the back and forth between them, Dylan’s experience gets forgotten to some extent. She either was sexually abused, or made to believe she was sexually abused and those two things are effectively the same at this point.
The rest is just squabbling about which parent gets the blame for her lifelong pain.
That’s exactly the point. No one save Mia and Woody can know the truth at this point. Dylan is not lying, and I believe that she believes 100% what she is saying, but memory is a tricky, slippery thing. Woody may well be guilty – how in the world would I know? And I think the incidence of falsely reported abuse is very, very low – but Mia may well have abused her daughter by messing with her memory. If we must, 100%, believe the claims of an abused child, why are Moses’s claims given less validity? Why must he necessarily be out for Woody’s money?
And can anyone answer why Mia gave the okay for her film clips to be used in the Golden Globes tribute? I’ve never heard of a pedophile offending one single time with one single victim – where are his other victims? And why would he do this in the middle of a contentious breakup? And for the allegedly damning court files from above, I’ve seen ones that say the exact opposite. I can’t pull myself away from coverage on this, though I keep trying to.
There is truth. It is not relative. Touting false equivalency is a spurious and dishonest and biased argument.
You could read up on pedophilia.
@hmm – I have, and through my husband’s job have heard too many of their twisted sick stories. Why do you assume I haven’t?
And furthermore, I tout no false equivalency. If Woody is innocent, and Mia planted or twisted a memory that now haunts Dylan, that would make Mia as bad as if she had physically abused her daughter. Dylan is in real pain.
Have you or your husband read the entire 33 Page “Allen v. Farrow Custody Ruling, June 7, 1993”?
http://www.scribd.com/doc/205403621/Allen-v-Farrow-Custody-Ruling-June-7-1993
@ Seagulls, if your answer is YES, then I’d be interested to see your thoughts. If not, your opinion is at best half-cocked and ill informed.
Nobody in their right mind forgets about Dylan no matter how much WA would want the public to, no matter how much mud is thrown Mia Farrow’s way.
Also, enough with this shit about fake memories. What do you personally know about it outside of a cursory wikipedia read? That’s like saying one can understand how pharmaceuticals work just because one can read a leaflet.
I really want to know if you and others like you personally believe that anyone could possibly implant fake memories in your own head about something like this. And how would anyone go about it.
Dylan is a grown woman. Dismissing her as a fragile minded child is disrespectful and disingenuous. Come right out and say she’s lying, don’t hypocritically hide behind some some concepts you and others like you don’t even understand.
“She either was sexually abused, or made to believe she was sexually abused and those two things are effectively the same at this point.”
What an incredible stupid, tone-deaf and insensitive thing to say.
What do you personally know about memory and its proven infallibility and suggestibility? Even adults can have memories suggested to them that they become absolutely sure of. People have had memories implanted. This has been documented. It has happened, and coming as it did during a particularly acrimonious breakup it doesn’t seem that unlikely.
After Dylan told Mia about her abuse, Mia spent several days interviewing her daughter, turning the camera on and off. This is exactly when Dylan’s memories could have been tampered with. I’m a parent. If my child told me anyone had touched them inappropriately, I would not be videotaping my child, allowing the pervert to walk free, possibly reoffending. I would call the police immediately, contacting every friend in high places I knew or could think of.
@Seagulls I, unlike other people, yourself included, do not pretend to be a specialist in the matter.
However, having finished medical school, including an in-depth, mandatory, psychiatric rotation and a psychology course, then a years internship in my country’s leading psychiatric hospital, I do have the tools to read and understand a medical text even if it’s not in my field. Being a doctor for the past 6 years in the field of labor and family medicine and having consulted thousands of patients of almost every age, gender, social-economical status and ethnic group in my country, with a vast array of pathology, I have learned how to talk to them and more importantly how to listen to them and extract the necessary information to formulate a presumptive diagnosis with a high degree of accuracy. Basically the algorithm for any diagnosis goes like this: presume nothing, gather all available information with an open mind, first eliminate any and all organic causes by performing an in-depth anamnesis (medical history of a patient), cataloging objective symptoms through observations and medical maneuvers also referred as the medical consult, and then running a battery of targeted tests. After every organic cause has been excluded with the highest degree of certainty possible, then take into account a psychiatric illness. The actual process increases its accuracy with experience and decreases in length, obviously. In other words, crazy goes last always. It’s the medical equivalent of Occam’s razor.
I think you see where I’m going with this. Yes, I do know how people lie. And I do know how people lie to themselves to such a degree that they end up in the hospital. And I know how people lie to each other and hurt each other and manipulate each other. And how they can make themselves believe and make others believe things that defy logic and common sense. They do it because of misguided opinions, fear, lack of education about themselves and others, tunnel-vision, laziness, selfishness and other causes, and sometimes mental diseases. The human brain is extremely malleable and when faced with aggression tries to defend itself through many methods, by hurting itself, by projecting onto others. And that our own experience and our own actions do not inform or mirror other people’s actions the way we think they do. Of course there can be many similarities in the way we act, depending on the situation we are in and the support of those around us, both social and legal, on our socioeconomic level, our education, our life experience, our age, gender etc. etc. Are you in any way equivalent to Mia Farrow in any of the above? Do not forget that in that time, the protocols for investigating child abuse were very different from today.
I am not. So here’s my personal protocol in dealing with reported abuse (I have never personally dealt with child abuse, just domestic abuse, but I did give counseling in cases children were involved). First listen and document because the fresher the memories are, the more accurate they are likely to be. Also, people, all people, not just abused people, are more likely to be more open and talkative in an environment they are comfortable in. I do not care if they’re lying or not. It’s not my job. It’s my job to listen and advise and establish a baseline of safety for them on a case by case basis. Because they may present similarities, but they are never the same. Then, I send them to specialized centers that know how to deal with abuse victims and how to help them deal with the authorities and with the community and their family. Because the sad fact is that our society is more likely to assume they’re lying and/or that they are at fault somehow so they need specialists to help them through it. I, of course, also counsel them to seek legal aid with the help from the crisis and abuse centers. Things are different for children of course, since I’m mandated by law to call the authorities, but I would advise the exact course of action above.
So based on my years of schooling, years of experience in the field, self-education, after having read about 99% of the materials available in this case, it is my educated opinion that Dylan Farrow, a 29 year old woman with obvious intellectual and logical abilities as evident in her letters, is more likely by a considerable degree to either be telling the truth or to be lying. It is far less likely, though not impossible, to be some kind of Manciurian Candidate and to have had some memories implanted. Having something be documented as having happened doesn’t mean that it has happened in this case. It’s a false equivalence.
Having read the documents pertaining to the case, I’ve yet to see this fake memory claim from anyone other than Woody and people on Woody’s payroll. I do see this claim a lot from posters that do not want to say outright that a child abuse victim is a liar, because they are cowards and hypocrites. In my opinion. Not saying that it’s your case.
I do not care what kind of wizardry Mia Farrow performed with the camera because again, Dylan Farrow, 29, apparently sane and coherent on her own. The way people seem to set aside the fact that Dylan is a grown woman is mind-boggling and very indicative of the society and culture we live in and the way we deal with abuse.
@Seagulls,
Well, you must be the perfect parent. You have no idea of how pedophiles operate and the secrecy and illusion they create, and the lengths to which they will manipulate a good person to tolerate a lot, and the doubt they instill.
Implanted memory has been discredited. Making up lies through coaching is a rarity and, lies are impossible for a child who knows nothing about sexuality and everything about being messed with. So who do we believe, the child, the stats, or that lying god Allen? It’s a choice, hey?
As a medical doctor specializing in psychiatry, I am 100% on board with everything that Siedhr has said (and said well).
And add to that, implanting memories is not an easy task as the memories will eventually break, and factor in that Dylan was 7 and is now a fully functioning adult who is maintaining the exact same thing she did when she first told a pediatrician what happened (yes, Mia is not the one who went to the police, a pedicatrician did), it is unlikely that these memories are false.
Both are pretty horrible options but if he did it … or honestly if he didn’t but behaved grossly towards his children in other ways …. his body of work deserves to have the same asterick on it that Roman Polanski’ s does. Woody Allen’s legacy will be forever tainted by suspicion. I hope he wakes to that realization every.single. morning.
Anybody else find it strange that Mia Farrow is still friends with Roman Polanski, who is indeed convicted of child rape? She even testified in Polanski’s favour during the trial, and now she’s saying that the Hollywood Foreign Press is doing a disservice to all victims of assault. As Polanski’s victim Samantha Geimer has recently said, this is quite ironic considering Farrow’s own past actions.
Unfortunately we’re not going to ever know with certainty whether Woody Allen is a pervert or whether Dylan Farrow is merely a pawn in Mia Farrow’s vendetta and has simply been convinced by her mother that certain things happened that didn’t. There really is room for either possibility, and there are way too many unknowns here.
I personally refuse to condemn either Woody Allen or Dylan Farrow, because I feel it wouldn’t be fair on either of them.
Mia Farrow tweeted that she isn’t friends with Polanski. The rest of your comment is just derailing.
Woody is the supporter of Polanski and no I am not surprised he supports Polanski.
Mia’s publicly denied being friends with Polanski.
Her testimony was subpoenaed and it was factual in nature about polanski’s whereabouts after Sharon Tate’s funeral and it was during an unrelated defamation case, not anything to do with Ms. Geimer.
And, between Woody and Mia, only one of them has supported Polanski going free and spoken out about the greatness and importance of Polanski and that’s why he needs to be free. And it wasn’t Mia.
Woody not only signed the petition in support of Polanski, he’s also spoken out in support of him to the press, giving gushing quotes in support of him recently as 2010 iirc.
She isn’t friends with Polanski ,and has said so.
She was subpoenaed to appear in court.
Let’s make believe we are in Bizarro World and say what you stated is true, even though it isn’t: what does that have to do with Dylan Farrow? Nothing.
Woody Allen is the very public supporter of Polanski, so I guess, by your logic, he abused Dylan is some manner.
Here we go again…why does this fallacy keep getting repeated?
@Larissa_17, What are your thoughts on http://www.scribd.com/doc/205403621/Allen-v-Farrow-Custody-Ruling-June-7-1993 ?
@mercy, folks are repeating these inane arguments because they are Aristotle’s fallacies.
What kind of ‘certainty’ do you want? A video? A conviction?
If you understood the dynamics and consequences of sexual abuse you would understand that the evidence is qualitatively different. I suggest you educate yourself.
And by the way, it’s not about possibility. Because then, maybe a dragon did it. The probability, given the evidence of Woody Allen’s behaviour and the legal judgment against him, is that he might have sexually assaulted his daughter. Dylan’s testimony cements it.
@Larissa 17
Derail much? People need to stop with the false memory BS and in the Polanski case Mia’s testimony was subpoenaed and what pleaseicu stated above.
I tend to believe woody. If he DID have a plan to molest Dylan, from all the time he had with the farrows, why would he chose that day? It’s just doesnt make sense, unless it made up by spiteful , mia.
Only time could heal a broken heart. The thing is Mia doesnt want it healed.
I find it very sad that WA’s defenders, presumably admirers of his work, can’t even write coherently and logically. Did he run out of money and wasn’t able hire literate trolls to keep fighting the good fight on messageboards?
“Only time could heal a broken heart. ”
If this goon for hire thing doesn’t work for you, you can maybe attempt a career in writing country songs. Good luck with that.
Bot, I mean but, nanana couldn’t possibly be a troll!
I find it sad that anyone who disagrees even slightly with the majority voice is insulted and referred to as “a defender of Woody.”
@seagulls +1
It’s cut and dried, Seagulls. Woody Allen is a child molester who’s lying about the POLICE RECORD of his fingerprints in the attic and blaming the mother of his victim for fighting to save her.
Anyone who minimizes the abuser’s guilt by ‘slightly disagreeing’ or who attempts to explain away the gross harm these sex abusers commit with pleas to see “both sides” is flatly continuing a social atmosphere that enables child molesting and rape. The friends and relatives of sex abuse victims, especially child sex abuse victims, who decide not to “take a side,” firmly side with rape culture.
Fighting rape culture is hard. That’s why we have to do it. It’s our moral responsibility to condemn pedophile defenders; there is NO defending the indefensible. – http://feministing.com/2014/02/06/dont-be-friends-with-rapists/
@Seagulls
Do you also post illogical comments, filled with poorly thought out theories and insulting platitudes that have no bearing with the case at hand and are dismissive of the people involved and demonstrate no understanding of the issue at hand regardless of the side they’re on? Cause if you don’t, then you’re not in the same box as the guy above, and you won’t invite any mockery or laughter from me, at least. And you know, I will give you the courtesy of not presuming that you’re basically implying that my opinion is formed due to the general consensus of this board and not a result of my own logical and thinking processes. And that my reaction to opinions different from mine will not be borne from my personal observations and thoughts, but due to the inertia of consensus and the desire to conform. I too am a grown woman.
I’m pretty sure I shouldn’t laugh at the double entendre of “a defender of Woody” especially in this post. I don’t doubt you haven’t meant anything by it, it’s all me. But it’s freakin’ funny.
we just have different side on this case. no need to belittle my english. I believe woody, and I think Dylan is a victim of her mother resentment toward him.
i feel sorry for dylan, and most of farrow’s children, grew up in such of trauma made by their parents.
I agree what the whole thing about soon-yi is not approprite, but it’s not wrong either. soon-yi is not his daughter, and mia & woody were never married. so, what incest?
mia and woody need to sit together and solve it together.
@nanana
I did not belittle your English, I belittled your logic. I am not a native speaker either. You made yourself perfectly clear in both comments. It’s just that you’re not making any sense.
This for example: “I agree what the whole thing about soon-yi is not approprite, but it’s not wrong either.” Errr, what?
My thought, and it is only my opinion is that this was a corrective rape. Woody assaulted her on that day to get even with Mia and show her he was in control. Because Woody is so damaged as a person he felt assaulting his own daughter was the best way to get back at Mia for daring to contradict him or leave him.
That is why he chose that time, that place and the child he had been told he wasn’t to be alone with.
I’ve always believed that too, Abbici. It’s just so horrifically evil that it’s the one thing I’d hoped someone else would write about.
Woody Allen is meticulous at his craft, and his complex machinations are documented in his every film. So much so, it’s easy to see HE was the one who purposefully laid out a careful plan with malice aforethought, complete with ‘alibis’ and justifications, to sexually abuse Dylan one last time.
Alas it’s common for abusers to hurt, discredit and manipulate people close to the victim in order to hurt, discredit and manipulate the victim. So I find your theory far more believable than the fake memory bull others keep peddling.
If you google photos from that era, most show Woody hanging onto Dylan. Quite amazing for a guy who wanted little to do with children. That’s why (among other things) I don’t think it was corrective. I think he’s a pedophile.
No, I don’t believe it was corrective at all, getting back at Mia. I believe it was just an escalation of his obssessive behavior with Dylan. He was beyond obssessed with her to the point of ignoring his other child, other people, Mia, and had been for years and taking her off to be with just her or focus on just her, even suffocating her with his attention during a birthday party when she had friends. He was incapable of even hiding that behavior in front of others, much less what he must have done in private. It was in keeping with his ongoing behavior and, if true, just another act of his sexualization of the child. The nanny had also seen that day Woody with his face in her lap. When asked about that by Mia to Dylan, Dylan said that daddy was breathing in and out with his face in her lap. It was like he was inhaling her. Gross Just inappropriate behavior.
Why would Woody Allen continually interact with Dylan for years in disturbing ways and not be able to control it and keep on doing it and be seen doing it by many people who considered it abnormally suffocating or obssessive or disturbing? He couldn’t control himself. He is sick. They had to insist on him seeing a therapist and him not being alone with Dylan. This was way before the Soon Yi incident. That is the documented behavior upon which the judge permanently stripped Woody of any contact with Dylan at all and upon which Woody’s appeals of that decision were denied.
How much clearer does it need to be that it is possible it happened that day just as she said considering his pattern of behavior with Dylan for years that he seemed unable to admit or see was abnormal and couldn’t control?
@hmmm I don’t disagree. I think he was grooming Dylan for as long as he had contact with her. I do think what happened that day at Mia’s house in CT was malicious and with intent. And the intent was to hurt Mia. He did it in Mia’s house to prove to her he could hurt her and her children anywhere, they were not even safe in their own home.
I suspect Woody had every intention of keeping Mia around because she gave him some credibility, he wanted Soon-Yi because he likes young girls who he can control. And he was grooming Dylan, as pedophiles do. If Mia hadn’t found those pictures he could have kept up the charade for years. Once those pictures were found and he lost control of the situation he acted out against Mia with his final assault on Dylan.
Like Woody Allen, ‘Humbert Humbert’ in Vladimir Nabokov’s ‘Lolita’ and Stanley Kubrik’s masterpiece film version, child molesters are widely documented for their their scheming to marry or attach themselves to a ‘respectable’ women who functions as a ‘beard’ for them.
“When Mary discovers Isaac is dating a 17-year-old, she says “Somewhere Nabokov is smiling.” – From the Woody Allen film Manhattan.
Woody Allen is at the top of the food chain of successful molesters who cunningly hide behind A Maternal Paragon so as to not arouse suspicion for what they delight in doing ‘under the noses of society.’ They are also well known to have young wives or nubile looking paramours as The Trophy Wife, who in turn serves as camouflage for acting out their real desires for much younger children. A child sex abuser only dates or marries an adult in order to gain access to children in their desired age range http://www.criminal-law-lawyer-source.com/terms/pedophile.html and/or to hide in plain sight.
Both Jana and Abbicci are correct, IMO. They, and so many other posters are providing an invaluable service to ALL of us. Continuing to shine the spotlight on Woody Allen and other powerful molesters who believe they are above reproach is vitally important and extremely helpful to sexually abused women and children around the world.
I am also so thankful to Celebitchy for its unparalleled public platform; reaching and educating thousands and providing a safe place to learn and grow is no small feat. THANK YOU!
Let’s say it’s your 8 yo daughter that grows up down the street from your nice 43 yo neighbor man down the street, and when she turns ‘19’ she runs away with and later marries that same (now 62) neighbor.
@nanana, do you still say “it’s not wrong”???? Are 8 yo child brides, (Soon Yi’s age when she first met,) groomed to marry shortly after puberty culturally acceptable to you? I am sincere in wishing to hear your answer.
His response made be firmly convinced that he did was Dylan says he did. Wonder if his adopted daughters will come out in the future saying he molested them, too.
If Allen had doubts why didn’t he demand a blood test during the custody fight? Allen is looking more scummier by the minute.
Good point. Ronan’s paternity could easily be ascertained if he was truly skeptical. WA’s still throwing everything at the wall to see which type of deflection sticks. Vile.
Because he didn’t have any doubt about Ronan’s paternity during the custody fight? Because Mia said that Sinatra could be his father now and not 20 years ago?
Exactly.
Great post by Kiddo. I agree wholeheartedly.
Also, even absent the allegation of sexual abuse on the day in question, whether it happened as stated or not, I will also add that his obssessive behavior with Dylan from an early age and beginning to border on sexual abuse and inability to see that his behavior was disturbing, so much so he was pushed into therapy to address it, and Mia had it in place he wasn’t to be alone with the child, and way before the Soon Yi deal, shows that Woody Allen had major issues that would have kept on escalating, even if someone doesn’t want to believe that he sexually molested her that day.
Woody Allen’s narcissim really is the astounding part like Kiddo said, his inability to see how horrifically he destroyed a family unit and betrayed the woman he shared a life with and kids with in the worst way possible, which could only have ever ended in the estrangement between mother and daughter, and yet feels no remorse he did that to his girlfiend of over a decade and mother of his two children.
As soon as I read that he would respond, and then read that response, I immediate felt that he crafted it for the benefit of his two daughters with Soon Yi.
He is recreating his past for their benefit to keep them feeling his innocence.
The thing is….
I don’t think this kind of person changes their behavior, really, and I think that unfortunately more stories are going to come out.
Polanski’s victim, Samantha Geimer gives advice to Dylan Farrow in this letter:
http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2014/02/samantha_geimer_to_dylan_farrow_and_other_victims_the_only_thing_you_have.html
I agree very much with the last 2 paragraphs.
Thank you for linking to this letter. As a survivor of incest I couldn’t agree more with her last two paragraphs.
Forgive me if someone’s already mentioned this, but I read the judge’s decision, and I am confused by one thing in particular:
If Moses was there on the day of the molestation (and that’s the only way he could claim to know that Dylan and Woody were never alone), why isn’t he listed in the official decision as one of the people present? The judge lists every person present that day, but Moses isn’t on there. Am I missing something?
Did he list the children? Because all of the children were there except maybe the two recently adopted ones that she was shopping for. That’s a big estate and all those kids playing. What 14-year-old is going to know where one sister is the whole exact time, especially a much younger sister he probably wasn’t playing with? That’s silly people even use his statement as basis for anything regarding that day and knowing where everyone was. The nannys are the ones who knew and said.
Hmmm, I think the judge is listing everyone present at the time of the assault, not the day as a whole, because the official decision does mention Dylan and Satchel (by name), as well as Mia’s friend’s kids and the various chaperones, but not Mia or her friend (which would make sense if they were out shopping at the time, and maybe the other kids were with them). Either way, it seems that according to the official records, Moses was NOT there the whole day.
And yes, I agree with you that even if he was there, he wasn’t keeping obsessive tabs on what the rest of the household was doing. I mean, c’mon. 🙂
Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! Like all abusers, he seems convinced it is the victim’s fault. Truth will out.
I keep going back to the movie Manhattan, which explains much of what is so twisted, selfish and misogynistic about Woody Allen. The story was loosely based on an affair he had with a teenager, and what made me cringe when I first saw it was the vapid 17 year-old played by Mariel Hemmingway, sexually obsessed with Allen, a 42 year old neurotic twit. Clearly he has a Napoleon complex that he was acting out in this film. His wife, played by Meryl Streep, is portrayed as a nasty, vindictive woman who left him for another woman and is writing a book about it, much to Allen’s horror. Then there’s Diane Keaton playing the wife of his best friend who he falls in love with and has an affair with her behind her husband’s back. She is the most pretentious, whining, self-absorbed irritating woman in that movie. So, all the women in this film are either underage girls salivating at the chance to sleep with him, cold and hateful, or phony, pretentious and vapid. Doesn’t this just show you the contempt he has towards women? I thought about all the great actresses who have appeared in his movies and without exception, they play unhinged, angry, devious and stupid characters or naïve, malleable and worshipful.
All this to say he has a severe problem with treating women as equals, as strong, independent, sane and believable human beings. That he became obsessed with Dylan and crossed the line with her sexually is clear. That he has no moral compass to guide him so that he somehow thinks it was OK to start an affair with Mia’s barely legal-aged daughter Soon-Yi is despicable. I really hope he’s too old to do anything to his 2 adopted daughters, I fear for them.
“Doesn’t this just show you the contempt he has towards women?”
The way you describe the female characters in the film is completely inaccurate so, no, it doesn’t.
…but Manhattan is a terrible movie anyway.
So justify why it’s completely inaccurate.
Agreed. Has anyone read this article? So creepy.
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/dylan-farrow-woody-allen-movies?src=soc_twtr
And I too have a deeply unsettling concern for his young daughters.
Jaded: i agree with your take on Allen’s female characters for the most part. I think it’s odd people think he writes women so well. I have to say I find him and most of his characters whiny, self obsessed and annoying. So I’m biased.
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts?mbid=social_twitter
this is the Maureen Orth’s Vanity Fair response to Woody and its pretty damning
Excellent article. Stick a fork in him; he’s done.
Did you all see the brilliant article ABOUT Woody’s letter by Lauren Duca?
“He dismisses Dylan, flattering her as a “lovely woman” before taking aim at Mia’s character and failing to encounter Dylan as an active agent, literally calling her a “pawn.” At no point does he treat Dylan as an adult with her right to a fully formed understanding what happened, going so far as to question whether Mia wrote the letter for her in the first place.”
and
“He defiantly refuses to argue logically against her allegations in favor of unfounded personal attacks that ultimately come off as petty and no less vitriolic than he endeavors to paint Mia Farrow. He positions Mia as the aggressor, in claiming she is responsible for coaching Dylan into believing her experience was a reality, but then further robs Dylan’s right to experience anguish over the incident (real or coerced), by questioning whether her speaking out was ever “really a necessity” in the first place. At best, Woody Allen is an arrogantly unsympathetic yet innocent man. At worst, he is a monster, who sexually abused his daughter and feels he only needs to respond by painting her mother as the cause of two decade’s pain.”
You can read the whole thing at
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lauren-duca/woody-allen-dylan-farrow_b_4749664.html
Thank you for posting that. It was brilliant. I love her shot at the NYT in the beginning of the piece:
“It should be noted that, while Dylan’s letter was deemed unfit for the Times’ site (it was published on Nicholas Kristof’s blog instead), editors found it acceptable to provide Allen with a forum for his defense. ”
What hypocrites @ NYT!
That’s a damn shame. The other day, someone here was getting all judgey with Kristof for publishing Dylan’s letter. The NY Times publishes Woody’s letter and *crickets*…
No, I hadn’t, Viv. Thank you very much!
He’s dismissive of the survivor. What a way to take her down! Typical. Keep them voiceless. Thanks so much for the link. Can’t wait to read it.
Woody is such a scumbag. I also am incredibly baffled by how some people think Woody sleeping with Mia’s daughter Soon Yi (and taking pictures when she was likely underage) is anywhere near the level of Mia’s affair or incident with the Previns when she was all of 19 years old….or that Mia’s past sordid romantic history somehow means she would coach her daughter. To me, that is the DEFINITION of slut-shaming Mia.
Also, the judge’s report is incredibly damning of Woody…..and he just sounds like such a sick bastard in his “response.” I have to give Dylan major props for saying hold up and bringing out the facts. What stood out to me is that WOODY LIED about not being in the attic, and then when a hair was found “admitted” it. He really does have powerful friends in high places, because a lot of these facts are rarely mentioned in coverage of the case. I don’t like VF, but good for them for exposing the truth about Woody Allen.
Well said.
Not slut shaming, but Besides the whole WA crazyness, she has her own issues big defects and also virtues. She got involved with men like Sinatra much much older, and far from a perfect man, and the way she got with Previn, diregarding his previous wife…
On top of all that, if a woman is a mother she has to be super extra careful with the type of man she gets into her family, near her children. She may have had good intentions but WA, however brilliant he was or is, is waving a big huge yellow flag or warnings toany woman with children, as is polanski or many others.
Many women fail or refuse to see the warnings for whichever reason, there are lots and lots of cases like this, sadly. I would have expected more of a wordly person like Mia, but she is probably attracted to troubled men with isses, and i blame her for bringing that type of men and adopting or having children with them. That is a sure recipe for disaster.
While I believe abuse happened, I also believe that people deserve a fair trial. Woody is rich and will probably lose his status but he has money and his inner circle supports him, but if something like this, with not clear proof happens to other people and if they happen to be innocent it is something unfair. In my country some lynchings have happened because people are tired of some crimes, but those mobs have lynched innocent people too, it is horrible.
I also wish the victim, in this case Dylan (and her family), would heal in the future, because she is speaking out and all that, but it is becoming a circus where there will be no winners.
Mia Farrow was not taking advantage of the teenage children of her lovers or husbands, or having sexual relations with them. She obviously has had her issues, but they in no way excuse or obfuscate Allen’s issues, and should not be used that way.
Why are you attacking me as if I am an Allen defender? I am stating something that I see very often. Mothers who by whatever motive , are attracted to men who are troubled and let them near their children, putting them in a risky situation.
I am all for us women getting all in life, but mothers (and fathers) must be careful of who they bring home. Mia in this case was clearly dismissive of any warning, especially if, as many have said, he was a man with issues from the get- go.
My point was that Woody saying that because Mia had an affair when she was 19 and then again about 30 years ago…twice…that it somehow means she would coach her daughter to lie about being molested…is the definition slut shaming. That’s a big leap from making shitty romantic decisions to coaching a child, but that is what Woody is implying in the article.
You brought up her past relationships, for some reason. They’re irrelevant to this case, imo.
And what is your opinion of her (or any mother) who cannot be lonely for more than a year and decide to have relationships without really analising who are they getting with before involving their children and adopt even more?
In my country many women get into those relationships due to economical necessity, or. lack of education and even after abuse of different kinds, they turn a blind eye because of that economical dependence, or at least that is their excuse.
Like VC said, downthread, I do not understad how they got to be in this situation. In an ideal world, there would be no abuse, but to bring troubled men to your family because of your own needs? No way.
Who knows what her motivation was, probably admiration, like her previous husbands were talented as well, but I do not think her relationships were very healthy, and add to that so many many children.
“Not to slut shame… But whew. What a slut!” /sarcasm
Ennie says: ” And what is your opinion of her (or any mother)”?
IRL Translation # 1: Slut MIA = MIA’s FAULT ≠ NOT WOODY’S FAULT
IRL Translation # 2: Let’s talk about anything but the fact that Woody Allen molested his 2 daughters and see what sticks.
“Because if your child is sexually assaulted by someone the character of the mother is going to carry far more weight than the actions of a rapist.” – Post # 39 Abbicci
One thing that baffles me is why Mia Farrow wanted to be involved with Woody Allen in the first place. He sounds cold and uncaring. The fact that she wanted to bring children into their “relationship” is mystifying. I have the feeling that, while Woody Allen may be a jerk (at best), Mia Farrow has some real problems with judgement. It just seems like there were red flags everywhere regarding Woody Allen.
+1
Read her book, written in her own words, not very long after all of this went down. I don’t think many on here have, but it is probably the best insight anyone will get into the seeds of this. Because whatever happened with Dylan, she was adopted into an incredibly dysfunctional, weird relationship from the get go. Allen expressed NO interest, nada, in Mia’s kids (of course until one turned into an attractive teenager). Yet she persisted in adopting more, in having a son that Woody never wanted or showed any interest in. The only child he loved was Dylan. Now, as an old man, with Soon Yi, he changed his tune. Why that is who knows, some guys are just selfish a-holes and that’s a fact.
I don’t think Mia is in her right mind a lot of the times. I’m not knocking her, it’s just a sense you get reading her book. Very articulate and smart, but maybe not so smart when it comes to her heart. Why she thought raising 15 kids on her own was the best life for them. I don’t think she’s evil, but she is incredibly fragile combined with a martyr complex.
That’s what I don’t understand. If I loved my kids as much as I’m sure Mia does her, to the point of adopting SEVERAL—why would I let them be around someone who doesn’t care about them, doesn’t want to be around them, and then proceed to have kids WITH this person. I don’t understand why she let him come around whenever he wanted—I think that it should be all or nothing. Either he is their defacto father, or he isn’t—if he isn’t, then he needs to be relegated to hotel room stays and phone sex.
I mean, dang, is Woody all that in the sack? Gross.
I don’t know–I don’t consider adopting 15 children crazy…..if you can afford it, and you can take the time to raise them properly–not working all the time–then go for it.
And then he changed his mind, according to him, and was fighting “tooth and nail” to adopt children with her. Not saying she shouldn’t have known better, but maybe she really wanted to believe him when he said she had made him realise how wonderful it was to have a family.
And the book I read, he wanted no part of adopting Dylan. He told her to go ahead but he wanted no part of it. After Dylan came home, after a few months he became very attached to her and then wanted to be her father. By the time he was adopting her farther down the road, there had been major signs with Woody and Dylan and his behavior.
Sometimes we forget the big power differential which existed between Mia and Woody. He hired her for 13 of his movies and she rejected other scripts to be his muse. The minute the Dylan allegations came out, he replaced her with Diane Keaton for that year’s film. Her WA career was utterly finished, as she had to know would happen. He had been her BOSS for a long time. And she wasn’t getting any younger.
Not that I’m saying Saint Mia. She’s odd for sure. But she probably thought he was this genius and she felt lucky to be in his movies. She probably thought, “Oh, is he staring at the baby again? Well, he’s eccentric, I’ll just talk to his therapist.” Yes, she should have done more, but hindsight is 20/20.
So what did I learn today?
I learned that you had better be the perfect little woman, doing exactly what you are told to do, do exactly what you are expected to do. Do not have a voice, do not do anything that might be seen as unwomanly, unmotherly or unseemly. Do not step outside of the box that society has created for you no matter how small and uncomfortable that box might be. Because if your child is sexually assaulted by someone the character of the mother is going to carry far more weight than the actions of a rapist.
I mean a rapist can’t say the kid was asking for it, or flirted with them or gave consent ( though child rapists say just that ALL THE TIME) so the best plan of attack is to attack the mother. Either she allowed it to happen or she made it all up because crazy girl hormones and vindictive b@tches.
This crap makes me so mad I could spit fire. Since I can’t spit fire I work with and donate to rape crisis centers both locally and nationally. There is a crisis center in your community, please call them or email and ask what they need. Maybe it’s money, maybe they need your old cell phone for a client, maybe it’s food and toys for a local shelter. You can do something right now, today for victims in your community.
If anyone doubts rape culture in the US, all they have to is read your post for summarizing the almost unbelievable misogyny running through WA’s piece of fiction and some of the comments here, (thankfully fewer as most of the phonies have been edited out).
You’re right; everyone can do something to stop the patriarchal attitudes that nurture rape culture. The average person really can do so much through the courts, helping a friend with a restraining order, connecting an acquaintance to the right channels to obtain emergency relief, and of course manning the hotlines. Due to health issues, I’m unable to do all that I’d wish now, but years ago I fostered a 15 yo girl out of a sexually abusive relationship when I was19 myself.
Kudos, Abbicci, to your clarion call to service!
Excellent response.
Excellent response and absolutely true. I’m so sorry it does this to all of us–it’s absolutely exhausting and devastating. Take care, Abbicci and everyone who reads these things and gets mad enough to explode and then weep for a week. Never let them grind you down! 🙂
The only thing more baffling to me than how this man, who is so famous for being in therapy, can admit no contrition for the impact his relationship with his children’s sister and 12-year partner’s daughter who he had known in some capacity since childhood had on the family, is why Mia was with him in the first place. And why did she keep him around even after his inappropriate behavior became obvious? There is so much dysfunction involved here it boggles the mind.
What a mess.
I have not kept up with WA over the years, so what is up with soon yi….is she just the perfect little homemaker? Does she have her own friends or is everything she does/says/has based on WA picking/making decisions for her?
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts?mbid=social_twitter
5:15 PM, FEBRUARY 7 2014
10 Undeniable Facts About the Woody Allen Sexual-Abuse Allegation
by Maureen Orth
The court documents are available for download at the same site, and @johnlovett tweeted parts of it here: https://mobile.twitter.com/jonlovett/tweets
After reading all of this and taking into account facts like Allen took sexually explicit photos of his children’s teenage sister while in a long-term relationship with their mother, I see no good reason to take his word over Dylan’s.
One of the many things that bug me about this whole sad, ugly mess: if I go by (what seems like) the most neutral reporting of the case, then what you’ve got here are TWO adults who should never have been in a position to influence or control these kids. Woody Allen, to put it bluntly, comes off as a selfish narcissistic A-HOLE even in his own accounts the relationship. Whether he’s a molester, too, I really can’t say…. NOT because I think Dylan is lying (lying requires intent), but because I don’t trust ANY of the adults around her throughout her whole life. Mia Farrow may love being a mother, but it’s hard for me to believe that the STRONGEST, most rock-solid, stable, salt-of-the-earth person could manage THAT many children without giving up a little quality for quantity… especially when you factor in the disabilities and special needs some of them had. I’m not saying their lives would have been better had she NOT adopted them, but she seems like a collector who confused her desire to HAVE another child with her ability to actually PROVIDE that child with what he/she needed. I’m baffled by her willingness to begin a relationship with a man who viewed her beloved children as a hindrance and flatly refused any involvement with them. (I’m equally baffled by his decision to be with her…. If EVER there was a man who should avoid dating a single mother, it’s Allen.). I’m dismayed and troubled that she would seek to EXPAND her family while with this man, either by birth OR more adoptions. And as far as her worries about his behavior toward Dylan? The acts she describes should provoke a HELL of a lot more than “wait and see and hope and tell the babysitters to keep an eye out.” You don’t send your boyfriend to counseling to help him learn to stop ogling and fondling your daughter. You get her – and ALL of your kids – the f— AWAY from him, full stop.
I don’t know… I look at this mess and see two selfish, neurotic adults who think therapy fixes everything, deciding they can live life however they want and just arrange kids around it.
I totally agree. And then we find out her brother is a convicted child molester. It’s like the perfect storm.
Those poor kids. There’s no way in hell I would write a glowing letter in support of my partner and his ability as a father to adopt a child with me whom I have already accused of sexualizing the child to be adopted. Why do that? And in so doing, set him up with a defense he knew he could fall back on?
I agree. Woody is the worst because of what he did to Mia and the children, her children and his, by having an affair with Mia’s daughter and his kids’ sister.
And Mia was adopting two more disabled children during the period after the Soon Yi affair was exposed and before the molesting incident eight months later. In the thick of a family crisis with what Woody did with Soon Yi, both children in therapy, Woody with his boundary and obssessive issues with Dylan and in therapy, other children in the home that need her, and Mia falling apart, deeply depressed and anger over Woody’s doing what he did and still coming around acting like it wasn’t that big of a deal, in acting in Woody’s next movie somewhere during that period, what in the world would she be thinking bringing in two disabled children in the thick of all of that.
Well put. It doesn’t make sense. Another thing I don’t get, why does Mia refer to this in her response to Dylan’s first open letter as “her (meaning Dylan’s) truth.” If she believes it then why not just call it “truth.” And what kind of Valentine did she send to Woody Allen in 1993?
It’s a current day common colloquialism. It doesn’t connote any other definition, or imply that there is some other more truthful reality. “Speak your truth” is a common refrain. There is nothing sinister or ‘telling’ about usage of that phrase. FWIW, FYI.
+1
This is sort of what I was getting at in my earlier post. Neither of the “adults” in this relationship were equipped to have children in the first place, IMHO. Woody seems cold, narcissistic, and amoral. I have no doubt Mia loves her children, but I think she is fragile, dangerously trusting to the point of being self-destructive, and defines herself through a martyr complex. It was a dangerous, volatile combination of people, and I am not surprised others were hurt as a result. What is tragic is that the victims were innocent children.
Honestly, how on earth do you know *anything* about Mia Farrow, except what Woody Allen and his army of PR hacks have smeared her with? If you believe him to be guilty, and I sure as hell do, why believe anything he or his perfidious minions have to say about anyone’s character, let alone the one person on this earth who has brought him more pain and consequence to his action of sexually molesting his daughter? He does what most pedophiles do–he tries to make her look bad, slut-shame her and muddy the waters enough to baffle people with his bullsh*%. That’s it. His job, and his minions, is done. And you’ve been played.
Whenever we are actually looking at a victim’s mother, who has tried for 21 years to protect her child from a powerful, wealthy abuser, and trying HER in our minds instead of him, you better believe rape culture not only wins the day, it gets stronger. And you are allowing it.
What mother anywhere does the right thing all the time? Consistently makes only the correct decisions? Is never fooled by anyone, even a lover? Is “strong” and logical all the time? Acts with calm consideration and no emotion when her daughter is taken away by a trusted lover? Seems to me she pretty much would’ve had to be superhuman to pass these tests, no?
Look at this, people. And see what you yourself are doing to perpetuate this culture. And please stop it–if only for your mothers, daughters, sisters and lovers. You are betraying them right now.
I’m not AT ALL factoring in the smears Woody Allen is painting Mia with – believe that was my point. Even if I take away ALL of that and just look at the decisions SHE made over the years, and the statements SHE has made about herself – the most favorable possible view – then, yeah, sorry, it raises what I think are fair questions. That doesn’t mean I think Dylan is lying, or that Mia coached her. For the record, I happen to BELIEVE Dylan, but the point I was making is that it’s very sad that ALL of these kids have been brought up in a household where their best interests seem to play second fiddle to what the adults around them want.
Woody Allen has created more nuanced and deeper portraits of women than any other filmmaker. This doesn’t happen without a sensitivity to and observation of women. Accusing him of pulling the women are crazy card is too simplistic . I believe him when he says that Mia Farrow is a deeply disturbed person. In her rage she probably started that story until she couldn’t back out and now she actually believes it. Woody has spent much of his adult life in therapy, looking at his motivations and character. This is a dedication to personal growth. Mia spent her life running from her demons and issues by adopting more and more children. There are many divorced fathers who understand the pain of their children’s mothers willfully and vindictively alienating their children from them. Wake up.
He also has quite a thing for very young women in his movies. I’ll stick to judging his actions IRL. They’ve all been in therapy, according to many reports. It obviously didn’t help Allen enough to avoid taking advantage of a teenager. This isn’t a father’s rights case, unless you’re talking about a father’s right to behave inappropriately with the sister of his children and daughter of his longtime partner. He chose to run off with his kid’s sister and fight to cover his own booty vis a vis Dylan, as he continues to do to this day.
This is hysterical. Woody Allen has dismissed the fact that he was banging his girlfriend’s daughter, who is his children’s sister and all the havoc that would cause and destroy people’s lives. He doesn’t feel the remorse a person should feel for what he did. Therapists, judges, testimony shows this. He downplays it in a way that is shocking and the pain it caused, the fact that it would destroy a mother/daughter relationship, on and on. Personal growth, my a…..
Woody has created more nuanced and deeper portraits of women?!?! wtf? Of the movies of his I have seen, the women look very flawed and shallow. I hate his stupid egocentric movies and I’m glad I haven’t seen the last few. I think he’s a misogynist of the first class, that he fears & distrusts women, and is always looking to find them inferior to himself. I think thats the main theme of his movies, which he cloaks by acting like a dork.
Woody Allen seems to be highly unstable himself: screwing his partners adopted daughter, leaving beaver-spread photos of his 3 decades younger “girlfriend” for Mia to discover; is that something an emotionally stable man would do?
If you think Woody Allen’s portraits of women are the deepest and most nuanced in film, I suggest that either you think very poorly of women or you are watching the wrong films.
Yeah, I imagine that actresses love to play the characters precisely because the women are so drastically flawed, which makes the roles more interesting and more of a standout for awards, rather than playing women who mostly have their shit together.
I absolutely believe Dylan. But even if it were proven that that 1 act in the attic in Connecticut didn’t occur, so what? It matters in legal terms, but not in moral terms. Focusing on that 1 act to the exclusion of all else is part of rape culture. Rape culture doesn’t recognize grooming behaviors as abuse, nor does it accept that many abusive behaviors leave behind no physical evidence. In rape culture, penetration is everything. Rape culture says, “Was her hymen intact? If so, what’s the problem?”
http://www.vanityfair.com/dam/2014/02/woody-allen-1992-custody-suit.pdf
The facts of the custody suit show that long before the incident in the attic, WA was already abusing Dylan. Judge Wilk called WA’s behavior towards her “grossly inappropriate.” Nannies, psychiatrists, family friends, and the French tutor have all talked about WA’s disturbing obsession with Dylan. He was clutchy, needy, demanding, and “aggressively affectionate.” He monopolized her time, stared obsessively at her, and fondled her. He trained her to suck HIS thumb. WA’s own therapist, Dr. Coates, called the relationship “inappropriately intense.” Dylan was deeply unnerved by him, but her wishes as an autonomous person seem to have been unimportant to WA.
WA truly doesn’t believe any of that is wrong or creepy or damaging to Dylan. Just like he thinks his Soon Yi stuff was fine, he thinks his Dylan stuff was fine. He just doesn’t get it, never will, and will continue to be arrogant and self-righteous in his own defense.
It’s very hard to win this kind of a battle, but after having read as much about this as I could, it seems as though Mia Farrow is lying. One of the things that’s a hallmark of perverts who prey on little kids is they do it numerous times. There is no evidence of this in the Allen case; none. There is just the one, and it came in at the height of a child custody case, when Allen knew that he had to be on his very best behaviour.
Let’s face it, Dylan Farrow’s letter accusing Woody Allen is just publicity for Ronan and Mia.
It disturbs me that Mia and Allen’s son hated his father over the divorce more than his mother seemed to, and that Allen’s affair with Mia’s adult daughter (to whom he wasn’t related) morphed into accusations of sexually abusing their 7 year old daughter, who admits she doesn’t remember much of what happened.
Mia lost her lover and her movie career under humiliating and traumatic circumstances. That she’s devoted her life to hating Allen and poisoning her children against him is just sad.
There was no child custody case. They had been hammering out an agreement and it was a couple of days away from being signed, and Mia was happy with it because Woody agreed when he had visitation with Dylan and Ronan, that it always be supervised visitation, and he would never be alone with them until after the age of 12. Woody agreed to it. And they agreed on the terms of the child support to Mia for the three kids. So Mia was not unhappy with the agreement since Woody agreed to only supervised visitation. And very telling he agreed to supervised visitation anyway.
Woody only filed a child custody suit asking for custody of his kids after he was told by the one therapist that an incident of sexual abuse was being reported by her and the other therapist to the police as required by law, and an investigation was going to be opened. He and his lawyers filed the child custody suit then in retaliation to Mia and as a pre-emptive strike..
Larissa_17 said: One of the things that’s a hallmark of perverts who prey on little kids is they do it numerous times.
Believe it or not, sex offenders actually have a far lower recidivism rate than other criminals. Perpetrators of incest have the LOWEST recidivism rate (among sex offenders) at only 13% after 15 years. One could argue that an incest offender who has been caught will be incredibly careful and secretive in the future, so maybe they re-offend and we don’t know it. But, if so, that same logic should be applied to Woody Allen.
Just because it didn’t happen twice doesn’t mean it didn’t happen once. Just because we don’t know about other victims doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
http://www.criminaljustice.ny.gov/nsor/som_mythsandfacts.htm
Did you read the custody ruling? It describes other abusive behavior. I’m particularly disturbed by the idea of him having her suck his thumb.
This discussion in public will nor resolve the current situation. I hope both parties seek the necessary help they need privately.
NEW: the most powerful, reasoned, and fair-minded deconstruction of Woody Allen’s thinking – and his rationalization – I have seen: http://excrementalvirtue.com/2014/02/08/brainwashing-woody/
Wow. What a great article. Thank you, LadidahBaby!!
Amazing article! One of the comments was great too… (Dan?) Questioning himself and the public re why it took so long for us to question the soon yi relationship, past the first ick reaction, ie it was confusing because they made it formal… And it was hard to question without appearing to condescend to soon yi.
I find it strange that so many people are willing to consider that Dylan had her memories implanted by her mother. I know people say that it was popular in the 90s, but if its so easy and effective, why don’t we see more of it?.
Remember Mia is an actress. She is not some psychiatrist.
Do you know how to implant memories in someone else? I certainly don’t. Go ahead, go online and maybe google a guide on how to do it. Grab a 7 year old (your kids, your neighbor’s kids, your niece, whoever), see if you can implant a memory in them, say they ate your piece of cake yesterday. See how well that goes. And even if you were successful, see how long it will last.
If Mia, a woman of average intelligence and without any professional training in mental health can do it, then most of us should be able to do it shouldn’t we?.
The French have a wonderful saying that perfectly summarizes Woody Allen’s statements: “Qui s’excuse, s’excuse.” Translation: He who excuses himself, accuses himself!
His statements about Ronan are also appalling: doesn’t seem to care about Ronan’s paternity other than to wonder if he’s been paying child support for Frank Sinatra’s son? Yikes! I wouldn’t be surprised to hear a few weeks from now that Ronan has mailed WA a check for child support with interest.
Leave it to the French, Evie, to linguistically wrap up this turd in a bow!
On the public stage, Woody Allen has gone from a succès de scandale to merde, and I hope his reputation never recovers.
Singlehandedly, Dylan may have very well ensured WA’s body of work will be indelibly tainted like Roman Polanski’s,[1] instead of merely footnoted at the end of a hitherto illustrious career.
[1] http://amptoons.com/blog/2009/09/28/rape-apologists-roman-polanski%E2%80%99s-rape-of-a-child-not-that-bad/
Hate to correct your Francais, Evie, but you have a typo (and it’s such a great quote): “Qui s’excuse, s’accuse.”
Such a great quote. Thanks, Evie.
For a man to go against his own daughter, in a public space no less, says a lot about him. Anyway, he MARRIED his own daughter. What more proof do people need that he’s a sick f*ck?
It takes a long time for a child to emotionally process into an adult what happened from childhood abuse, although emotionally they will still feel that abuse (imho) as the child they were…but can think of it in adult terms. As an adult child of an abusive alcoholic, I can safely say now that both of my parents were emotionally, physically, verbally and mentally abusive with my mother pushing those buttons more often than not. Behavior handed down from generations, it takes a lot of counseling, courage, and lifetime’s hard work to break the cycles for the next generations. Good luck, Dylan. I believe you.
Personally, I think Mia might want to clear a few of her own demons out so they can let this go and Woody needs to face the piper. Celebrate him, never.
I was worried that maybe I shouldnt read this post. I was afraid I would see a bunch of pro-woody responses which would infuriate and sicken me. But I didnt- I found people who feel the same way I do and I’m glad I read this. I am tired of the abused being blamed, or accused of lying or making up stories. I hope that all of this public attention makes others see that he isnt the wonderful man he was thought to be. Everyone loved Scott Peterson too–at first.. If this whole thing makes one person feel brave enough to tell someone about their abuse than it has served its purpose. There is too much shame and blame wrapped around the abused- I hope this gives at least one person the courage to speak out against their abuser- no matter who he is.
I felt the same thing. In most venues, the comments made me nauseous. But not in this post.
So applause for the vast majority of wonderful people here that took the time to put down their thoughts.
I encourage people to read this article on the subject: http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2014/02/woody-allen-sex-abuse-10-facts Fact – Mia never went to the poice about Dylan’s abuse. Dylan’s pedriation reported what Dylan told him/her to police. Fact – Allen had been in therapy for alleged inappropriate behavior toward Dylan before teh abuse allegation was presented to authorities or the public (Mia instructed babysitters that he was never to be alonge with Dylan). Fact – Allen refused a polygraph by the Connecticut police. Instead he took one from a person hired by his legal team which was not accepted the connecticut police. Fact – Allen lost four court battles including a lawsuit against Mia. The Judge contended there was no evidence to support Allen’s contention that Mia coached Dyland or that Mia acted on a desire for revenge re Soon Yi. Fact – Judge Wilk found Allen’s behavior toward Dylan “grossly inappropriate” and steps should be taken to protect her. Fact – The babysitter’s account of what happened on the day of the attic incident is consistent with Dylan’s account. They both did go missing for 20 minutes somewhere in the house. Dylan’s French tutor testified that later on that same day when she was tutoring Dylan, Dylan had no underpants on under her dress. Fact – the basis for claims that Dylan had trouble distringuishiing fantasy from reality was made in light of statements Dylan made regarding items in the attic and calling sunset “the magic hour” – not because she made any outlandish coaching-styled claims. Fact – Allen changed his story about being in the attic. First he said he was never in the attic. Then, once confronted with his hair from the attic as evidence, he claimed he did poke his head in there once or twice, but his hair was found on a painting. Fact – State Attorney, Maco, said PUBLICLY he DID have probably cause to press charges against Allen but declined due to the fragility of Dylan and without her he could not prosecute Allen.
This man disgusts me. There is no doubt in my mind he is a perverted, sick little man. I can’t believe someone let him adopt more kids. Soon Yi knows how their relationship started, sister better watch her back…..and keep BOTH eyes on her kids.
Have read the numerous comments surrounding this family conflict and am left with questions behind why Woody Allen was never criminally prosecuted. Especially given a judge concluding admonishment related to Dylan being in need of protection from Woody Allen. This does not make sense to me. Even if this was related to a custody case, an officer of the court would certainly be considered a designated reporter, who was mandated to report suspected child abuse in any form. If in fact, this was the case, then the court system also blatantly failed Dylan as well. I am certainly not a fan of Woody Allen, but I am also not a fan of Mia either. This does not mean I support child abuse or abusers in any form. It just means I have questions and completely disagree with how this has played out in public. I also know that child molesters typically seek the path of least resistance. A dysfunctional family unit represents a dream for those seeking to molest children and it sadly seems Woody Allen found it. Most importantly, I wish a sense of healing for Dylan. There are no winners in this sad, sad family drama. One love.
He basically said “why would I molest one of Mia’s daughters when I was banging a different one.” That’s his reasoning and worse still, he thinks this is the world prior to the internet when being able to read court documents would have been impossible for the average citizen.
Succinctly put, cro -girl!
Wow, cro-girl, that setail went right past me when I read it, and yet it oretty much sums up the whole thing! Great observation!
Breaking news:
WA’s farting off at the mouth may be earning him a lawsuit:
http://www.connecticutmag.com/Blog/Connecticut-Today/January-2014/Woody-Allen-Enrages-Dylan-Farrow-Sexual-Assault-Claim-Case-Prosecutor/
Frank Maco is all kinds of awesome.
If you read both of the Vanity Fair articles, one written at the time all of this was happening and the follow up a couple of months ago, and the court documents that can be found on Radar, you know not only did he molest that little girl but the only people that said anything differently were the people on his payroll. He actively tried to get dirt on the DA and the lead detective for several years, filing complaints against them both, which went no where, as a pre-emptive strike in case he was charged when Dylan got a little older and could handle testifying against him. Everything Woody Allen did shows he is a child molester, who believes what he did was completely okay because he wanted to be sexual with his adopted daughter. Read what the court papers say, the judge was very explicit and the gist of what is in that case summary says it all. He knew that child had been molested, and Allen lost custody, which was upheld twice on appeal, and two more times as completely different suits to revisit visitation, all of them shut him out of his children’s lives.
Also, Soon Yi is of below average in intelligence, and in no way could have written any of the things she released to the news media, the tutor she had for 12 years says she was no able to understand most of the words used, and also has a completely bizarre way of looking at the world due to a non attachment disorder, she doesn’t understand normal social situations and only sees interactions as literal, unable to see irony, subtext, satire, humor or any social interactions in anyway but completely literally. Which most social situations aren’t. She’s basically about an 8 year old which makes their marriage even creepier, read the articles and the court papers, there is a reason why the family is still very upset about all of this especially Dylan. She’s the one Woody Allen nearly destroyed.