In January, Amanda Knox was convicted for a second time of murdering her roommate Meredith Kercher. Amanda’s former boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito was in the courtroom when the second verdict came in, and apparently there’s now a hold on Sollecito’s passport and he is unable to travel abroad. I’ve heard some stories, some tabloid reports, that Sollecito was interested (last year, I guess) in traveling to America with the hopes of never having to deal with the Italian justice system again. There were stories that he contacted Amanda and asked for her help and that she didn’t help him. I don’t know if that’s true. But what I do know is that Sollecito seems a bit more eager to throw Amanda under the bus these days. Throughout it all, Sollecito and Knox’s stories have been nearly identical, and while Sollecito isn’t changing his story now, he is throwing some shade on Amanda’s actions:
Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito had been dating for about a week when they were arrested for the murder of British exchange student Meredith Kercher in 2007. But despite the fact that they barely knew each other, they each refused to turn on each other, potentially in exchange for a plea deal — until now. Facing 25 years in prison after being found guilty of Kercher’s murder in a re-trial, Sollecito has spoken out for the first time about the “questions” he has regarding Knox’s innocence.
Sollecito recently admitted on Italian TV that he’s still haunted by Knox’s behavior in the hours before Kercher’s body was found: Specifically, he claimed that she went home to shower after leaving his apartment and was noticeably agitated when she returned hours later with claims her front door had been broken in.
“Certainly I asked her questions,” Sollecito said. “Why did you take a shower? Why did she spend so much time there?”
Seven years later, he says, “I don’t have answers.”
Today show legal analyst Lisa Bloom said in a segment this morning, “I think he’s distancing himself from her. He’s saying there’s some evidence that applies to her that doesn’t apply to him.’ Why the change of heart? Last year [he told Savannah Guthrie], “The real facts are that we are innocent.”
And in his book, Honor Bound, he claimed that he had turned down several opportunities to betray Knox in exchange for his release from prison in the early days of their trial. But as Radar has reported, the two have grown distant due to Knox’s relationship with boyfriend James Terrano, which she cited as a reason for turning down Sollecito’s desperate marriage proposal last year.
Another woman to whom he proposed the green card scheme, Kelsey Kay, told Radar that he had called Knox an “evil b*tch” when she wouldn’t help him flee to the U.S. and escape justice in Italy.
In a post on her blog earlier this month, Knox insisted that despite the perception that “Raffaele and his defense attorneys have finally betrayed their resentment and started to put distance between him and me legally and personally … that is not the case.”
She shared a snippet of an email from him that read, “I don’t want to be punished for nor have to continue to justify those things that regard you and not me. Obviously the evidence demonstrates both of our innocence, but it seems that for the judges and the people this objectivity is of no importance.”
Well, Sollecito has a new girlfriend too, so I doubt he’s really upset with Amanda for dating someone else. I do think that Sollecito is in a dangerous position and that he’s struggling to stick to the story (which really does seem like the truth) while also letting the prosecutors know that if Amanda is guilty of something (obstruction of justice, perhaps), that’s not on him. I think it’s remarkable that Sollecito and Knox haven’t turned on each other before now, and I don’t even consider this “turning on each other.” Because, seriously, why was she acting so bizarrely?
Photos courtesy of WENN.
He’s desperate. And I don’t blame him. His life is on the line.
Still don’t think him or Amanda Knox had anything to do with the murders though.
I think they both were involved. That’s just my opinion, but I’m very surprised that many apparently think they’re 100% innocent. We don’t know the truth, so we can’t say for sure if they are guilty or not.
So do I. I think they were both involved – to what degree, I could not tell.
But all I wanted to say – again – was simply this: please, she (or he, for that matter) was NOT “convicted for the second time”. Their original conviction was upheld by the court. It is not the same thing, not at all. It is still the same, original judicial process.
I agree Stacey. Had they been involved, they would not ratted each other out long ago merely to save their own skins. I’m highly doubtful that either would have felt compelled to eternally cover up for one another after only a week of knowing each other.
He sounds scared and desperate and for that I can’t fault him.
Liv, I agree with you…they are far from being innocents.
I think Sollecito is innocent, but not Knox. Knox acts like a total psychopath to me. Its hard to say this on message forums because I’ve actually been threatened just for saying it. Americans love Amanda Knox. Foxy Knoxy. Sweet little Amanda.
Amanda Knox was in some legal trouble before she ever went to Italy, something involving vandalism and throwing rocks. It wasn’t serious, but it does make one wonder about her. There is also the fact she kept changing her story to the Italian police, and then tried to blame an innocent man (Lumumba) for the murder. The Italians put Lumumba in jail for about 2 weeks, but he had an iron clad alibi, fortunately, and got out. Has Amanda apologized? Not that I know of.
ScotiaNov: I agree with you 100%.
There’s NO evidence either of them had anything to do with it. Still if Sollecito is going to appeal the case he’s likely to change his story (and why not? the prosecutors completely changed their version of what happened). He will use the hatred for Amanda in Italy to paint a scenario that separates him from her, so that she stands guilty and he was just a tangled up innocent bystander. It’s a good legal strategy for him and his only hope at this point. He’s not guilty of murder but probably guilty of being an asshole.
Nailed it!
If there was any hard evidence and not just satanic ritual theories this would have been easier of a case. Instead the whole version is getting tossed out because the prosecutor knew it was bs and they’re making up a new story.
Seems only survival instinct to adapt his story to a new version.
If my freedom was on the line and the only way I could keep it was to lie even though the truth was that i’m innocent, I would absolutely lie.
Actually, there is quite a lot of evidence on the website True Justice for Meredith (to which I am in no way associated). Irrespective of the bias indicated by the website’s title, they do present ALL the, factual evidence.
I agree Stacy. I think they are both innocent, and I dont fault him for being scared and maybe a little hurt by her if she turned down a proposal/green-card-marriage with him. Very sad situation overall.
The evidence shows that the man who did it is about to get out of jail very soon — which is f*cked up. Nevertheless, Amanda’s behavior is beyond bizarre and she has never given a solid explanation why. If this was another time before social media, that girl would still be in jail for the sole reason of being dumb.
There’s an expression “a falling out among thieves.” Unsavory people turn on each other all the time. I hope he sings like a bird to try to avoid going to jail. I do not believe she is entirely innocent. Somewhere I read that she has YEARS of legal wrangling ahead of her – another trial for lying to the police? An appeal for this trial? Does anybody know?
I’ve never felt she was innocent either. I’m not an expert on Italian law but it’s my understanding it’ll be years before this all ends.
But people also accuse innocent people all the time in an effort to save their own skin. If he was going to “sing” to avoid going to prison, he would have done it during the first two trials, before he actually went to prison. He has already served years.
Unless he is equally guilty, which I believe he is, and his lawyers told him turning on her would not help him early on. He is sending out hints to no avail; the evidence against them both is overwhelming.
Lissanne, I think the evidence against them is pretty breaktaking for what it is missing (no evidence of Knox and Sollecito in the room where the crime took place) as well as for how it was handled during collection. The knife that was presented in the first trial as having the victim’s blood on it was later tested by two court appointed experts, and they found there was no blood…just rye bread.
Tiffany,
Analysis of Meredith’s bra clasp showed a rather robust sample of Sollecito’s DNA. Yes, the defense claimed “contamination,’ because that’s all they could come up with. Amanda’s DNA was not found in Meredith’s room, true, but that doesn’t prove she wasn’t there; DNA is not that easily transferred. However, Amanda and Raffaelle’s bare footprints in blood were discovered by luminol in the hall outside Meredith’s room. These footprints had been cleaned up, but luminol can reveal small traces that are not visible to the naked eye. In addition to mixed blood traces of Amanda and Meredith in the bathroom, a mixed trace was found in the room of one of their other roommates. That could only have been carried in there by Amanda on the night of the murder.
As for “rye bread” on the knife -seriously? Meredith’s DNA was found on the blade when tested during the initial trial, but the sample was too small to be re-tested.
Lissanne, there is video of the bra clasp being picked up, passed around to several people, being placed back in the crime scene and being picked up again. Your idea that “claiming contamination was all the defense could come up” with isn’t supported by the videos of the evidence collection.
Secondly, luminol is not a test in itself for blood! It CAN show evidence of blood, but there are other substances that it will show as well (fruit juice, etc.). When using luminol for evidence, it will highlight an area that needs to be tested further, it points to where you should swab and test.
For the mixed blood, there is again, video where you see the tech take a cotton pad and use it in multiple areas in the bathroom. She takes one pad and uses it on the side of the sink and then continues to use that same swab on the sink handles, the inside of the sink, the edges of the sink, etc. It isn’t mixed blood so much as it is a mixed sample. They also do this with samples around the light switch, etc. It is all on video.
As for the rye bread, I think you need to look that up. There were two experts (who were appointed by the court…not the defense) that BOTH determined that there was no blood on the knife, but only that an organic grain substance that appeared to be rye bread. That is not even to mention the fact that it did not match the wounds of the victim.
You say that DNA isn’t easily transferred…yet some how Randy Guede’s DNA was ALL OVER the victim, inside her body, under her body, in her purse, etc. How do you think that two other people were guilty of this crime, yet they managed to remove all traces of themselves from the room the crime took place in?
http://abcnews.go.com/International/amanda-knox-trial-dad-summations-couldnt/story?id=14631227
“One of the key pieces of evidence for the prosecution during the initial murder trial was a knife found in a kitchen drawer at Sollecito’s apartment that investigators claim was the weapon used to kill Kercher. They claimed that DNA from Knox was on the handle and DNA from Kercher was on the blade.
Two forensic experts appointed by the court during the appeal, however, have said there was not enough DNA to prove it belonged to Kercher. The experts also said they believed the DNA came from rye bread.”
http://abcnews.go.com/International/amanda-knox-extremely-happy-dna-ruling-murder-appeal/story?id=13955868
“The report filed today in a Perugia court by court-appointed forensic experts , and obtained by ABC News, give credence to the defense lawyers of both Knox andRaffaele Sollecito, who had argued that the evidence against their clients had been contaminated by police during their investigation.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/case-vs-amanda-knox-called-farce/
“the judge ordered that a scientific panel review the evidence. They discovered 54 major mistakes by the crime scene investigators, and they also — which we reported three years ago — they also determined that the DNA evidence wasn’t DNA evidence at all. The piece of evidence that really damned Amanda was the notion that her DNA was on the handle of the knife and the victim’s DNA was on the blade, but what was really on the blade was residue from – rye bread,”
Lissanne, the bra strap was deemed contaminated because it wasn’t found until weeks after the murder, and there is pictorial evidence of it being passed around by people in dirty, used gloves, long after the crime scene was first investigated. It wasn’t tagged and bagged as soon it was found to avoid this exact problem, and became contaminated as a consequence. Other scientists in the field have been appalled by the low standard and safety of evidence gathering in this case. The fragment of DNA was again so magically small it couldn’t be retested, even though there were issued with the original test. It shouldn’t be considered any kind of proof for anything – it isn’t. There’s every chance Sollecito had not been near that bra clasp till court.
As for DNA not dropping down that easily, that’s not true. Guede’ s DNA was all over the room. Investigators wear white full body suits so as not to mix in their own DNA as they calmly walk around the crime scene. It’s not possible for Amanda and Raffaelle to have been involved in a violent struggle to the death without their DNA being in that room, alongside Guede’ s. And there was none.
The knife with the supposed DNA was later highly disputed as the murder weapon, being neither the right length not width. The DNA on retesting turned out to contain only Amanda’s and rye bread, not a speck of Meredith’ s. Amanda had used it to cut bread for dinner, and the evidence supports that.
I don’t know about the footprints, this is the first I’ve heard of them, though I’ve done a lot of reading on the case, so I can’t comment. Most of the other supposed evidence simply doesn’t stick, though, and has been refuted.
There was no “falling out of thieves” there was a brutal crime and a botched investigation subsequently mishandled by the notoriously incompetent Italian legal system. Poor Meredith.
He is totally desperate, which makes sense since he’s the one who’ll probably be going back to jail for this whole mess. I feel bad for both of them.
The murderer (Rudy Guede) is already in prison. The Italian authorities and their continued witch hunt and obsession with “satanic cults” are disgusting.
100% in agreement Jen!!
I completely agree.
This! They have the guy who did it -Guede – and the evidence they used to get that conviction was strong. And the theory and lack of evidence used to try to tie Knox and Sollecito to the act just wasn’t there.
The prosecutor, Mignini, never claimed that the Meredith Kercher murder had anything to do with satanic rituals. This is a made-up story by Amanda’s supporters to discredit him. He worked briefly on a totally different case, involving some bizarre serial killings, where many in law enforcement theorized satanic rituals were possibly involved. Completely unrelated to the Meredith Kercher murder.
You’re incorrect. He most definitely claimed that it was a Satanic ritual killing, and had done so far before the Knox family started fighting back with their own PR. In fact, it’s not even the first case that he’s claimed was a Satanic ritual with no evidence to support that claim.
You should check out Eyes For Lies. She is an expert at reading non-verbal micro expressions and has a extremely high accuracy rate in detecting falsehood. She trains police officers across the country. She believes Amanda Knox is lying.
http://blog.eyesforlies.com/search/label/Amanda%20Knox?m=1
Yeah, that’s right up there with polygraph crap. Knox is “guilty” only of you put aside the incredibly f*ked – up investigation, the Satanic cult – obsessed prosecutor, and the fact that the murderer is in jail.
Some of the people who reject Satanic cult crap when it’s the West Memphis Three have no problem declaring it’s true here. Why? Because the accused is a woman and other women like attacking another woman?
In the West Memphis Three I believe it was the stepdad of one if the victims. The one who had his teeth removed so they couldn’t test his bite against a bite mark found on one of the victims. There was no other reason for removing his teeth. Now whether or not it was a satanic ritual I don’t know. It has been too long since I have read about the case but the part of that guy having his teeth removed had stayed with me all these years.
LOLOLOLOLOL
Ridiculous junk science. No different than reading tea leaves or throwing chicken bones.
Um, it’s not junk science. Observing micro expressions is very helpful in determining whether a subject is behind deceptive. Law enforcement agencies from the Secret Service to the FBI to police detectives receive training in observing micro expressions. These methods are researched and taught at the university level as well.
Perhaps some reading is in order to educate yourself about this topic so you aren’t ignorant.
Like anything, it isn’t 100 % accurate, which no one has claimed anyway, but it can be a useful tool to determine whether someone is being deceptive about something.
It’s interesting to me that so many of you automatically jump in to dismiss this when it’s quite clear you’ve never heard of it or read anything about it.
While Eyes for Lies is an interesting site, I agree with the above poster that it’s basically like a polygraph test. How can anyone be 100% sure someone is lying just by watching their mannerisms? I think it’s worth noting that others have said it’s likely Amanda has some form of autism, which would explain her “off” mannerisms and behaviours. So just because she acts “weird” doesn’t mean she is necessarily lying.
This is the first I have heard that some have suggested Amanda may have a form of autism. Mild Asperger’s or something like that, would go a long way to explain some of her “off” behavior, such as the purported cartwheels after her arrest or not seeming outwardly upset by her roommate’s death. Even if she does not have such a disorder it would be helpful in her defense.
Part of her observations that she says are signs of guilt are not convincing to me. Like the fact that she is thinking hard about what she says while speaking….For someone who has been so attacked and scrutinized, that really isn’t surprising at all!
While it is possible to detect that someone MIGHT be lying (I use this in my practice a great deal), all it can tell you is that someone is exhibiting signs that they might not be telling the truth. It’s all about reading affect, and some people just have a screwed up affect.
Don’t be ridiculous, why would you buy into something so obviously untrue? If it were so easy to detect lies, life would be very simple wouldn’t it? The police would have no problems solving crimes at all. Sadly polygraphs don’t work and neither do “human” polygraphs. In fact people who believe this kind of stuff are more likely to be duped because they can “always” tell when someone is lying. It’s very easy to be conned, no matter how smart and savvy you think you are and it is dangerous to think you can somehow detect lies, you can’t.
The case seemed sketchy from the start. The case seems very poorly attended from an evidentiary and prosecutorial stance from what I have read. At this juncture it feels as if the prosecution is just attempting to win to save face.
The saddest part is a woman was murdered and her family is being put through this tortuous process with no end in sight.
Meredith’s murderer is already in jail. He has been convicted and will be there for a very long time. I’m very sorry for her family, but their continuing thirst for retribution is unseemly.
Very well said, Jen. Exactly. The Kerchers imo are doing Meredith’s memory a disservice by focusing on her innocent friend, and giving her murderer and rapist a pass.
Really? You have no sympathy for the Kerchner family and the fact that the murder of their beloved daughter/sister has been turned into a media circus? Imho they have behaved with a level of dignity I don’t think I would have managed in their place. Your “thirst for justice” is my “hope for closure”.
16 years really isn’t that long or nearly enough for Rudy Guede. Gas Chamber
I said nothing of the kind. I have incredible sympathy for anyone who has had a friend or family member murdered. I myself have, and it’s horrific. That has nothing to do with their continual witchhunt of Amanda Knox. The rapist, murderer, and robber of their daughter and sister is in prison, and will be given WORK RELEASE this year. THAT is what they should be railing about.
And, since I don’t carry on discussions with folks who use strawmen, this is my last reply to you.
Death Penalty is something the USA should be ashamed of. Can’t believe that they are really sharing similarities with countrys like China, Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Sadly, I don’t think Randy Guede will be in prison for a very long time. I heard he is up for release in the near future.
I think he killed her by himself. He has a history of break ins with a knife, there was evidence of him and only him in the room where the murder took place.
Except its not the Kutcher family looking for retribution Italy has a three tier system also it was proven Guede could not of killed her by himself I think they were in on it I don’t think they planned to killer but she did end up dead. There was a good documentry on BBC3 about it which showed that the whole “there is no evidence” kind of bull. The only reason they haven’t turned on each other yet is I believe they both have dirt on each other.
Faith
That’s a big ratings grab kind of assumption.
And there was a great deal of evidence that was not handled properly or was not collected at all.
Also, e theory that they both had dirt so neither one would turn theory has been applied to others before and they almost always turn and try to discredit the other. The key is to color the other person as a liar as quickly as possible. That both would keep a secret and put up wth prison is very unbelievable. It makes for sensational tv though. That’s all the credit i’m giving something I heard I tv.
That doesn’t sound like turning on. It sounds like he has the same questions a lot of people had about her behavior.
I don’t know if she did it or not. I haven’t followed the case closely enough to obtain the official transcripts, and it’s plain to see US reports are different from reports in publications around the world. So I don’t have an opinion one way or the other about her innocence or guilt (though her behavior was ridiculous).
But quite frankly, at this point, it’s a wise strategy for him to distance himself. He most certainly will be serving time whereas she may not if extradition fails.
She refused to marry him a few months ago and give him refuge in the US, so he’s getting desperate. He’s been steadfast in his account since the beginning.
He and Amanda are 100% totally innocent, and he’s playing right into the Italian prosecutor’s hands by buckling under their pressure.
@Saphoandgrits – I wanted to comment on your post about the Kercher’s seeking revenge and not focusing on the man who was connected of the murder Guide. I agree with you. I have noticed that the parents of the victims give press conferences saying they just want to follow the law and see justice served but when the verdict doesn’t go their way they keep on complaint about the person who got away with murder, in their opinion anyway. I don’t believe Amanda was involved so that is probably why I am viewing it this way but what if I was innocent of a crime and the victim’s family was on a witch hunt to get me you can bet it would be hard for me to feel sorry for the victim.
As for this guy trying to get Amanda to marry him I don’t think that would work. I posted below that since he was already a convicted felon he wouldn’t be eligible for a green card and even if she had married him he is now a convicted felon so he wouldn’t have qualified anyway. Maybe someone below posted a reply to my comment to refute this. I will check in a second. It could be possible that he would have qualified for asylum since if he really is innocent the he could show the persecution he would be/is facing in Italy. That might have worked. Those are complicated cases to prove and out of my depth of knowledge.
I’m sorry, she went home, realised that her apartment may have been broken into, and was upset about it?
I’m…. not seeing how this is bizarre?
I believe she was also upset because she believed her roommate had made a mess in the bathroom and left it for her to deal with. But I agree with you – her behavior is only bizarre because now we know her roommate had been killed and her body was in the apartment at the time. It would probably be considered normal behavior otherwise. Unless it is bizarre because she didn’t call the police about the break in?
But she did, just not immediately. But that’s pretty normal, particularly as RS admits AK was not completely sure that a break-in had occurred. I have no idea if she is innocent or not, but if even half the details of the case on the various news outlets I’ve read are true, the police and the media in Italy need their heads banged together.
He’s actually in Italy, I’m not shocked that he may be turning on Knox – he’s the one that would actually end up serving the jail time since the likelihood of Knox being extradited is low. Meredith’s murderer is in jail already, and yet they’re still continuing with this farce that it was a Satanic ritual (because isn’t that what you do with all of your brand-new boyfriends?) which isn’t even a new tactic of the shoddy prosecutor. The evidence collected in the case was so contaminated, the policework poorly done, and Knox was so torn apart and sensationalized in the press that there was never any hope for either of those two. Sollecito should have gotten out while he could.
No, it’s no longer because of a Satanic sex orgy ritual, they changed the motive. Now, Amanda murdered Meredith because the toilet wasn’t flushed after Rudy pooed. For real.
Well said!
The Italian legal system is replete with corruption…scary…
Am I the only one who believes that Amanda has a chip missing which accounts for her bizarre, suspicious behavior?
She just seemed immature…childish…silly…
That coupled with her striking good looks could give the appearance of her being calculated, detached…
IDK
I don’t think either oth them murdered that poor girl.
A lot of the accounts of the suspicious behavior (the cartwheels, the underwear shoppng) turned out to be ridiculous exaggerations, too. The British press and especially the tabloids were out for blood (and they’re notoriously reliable, right?) and really helped to sensationalize the case.
Read ‘The Monster of Florence’. Note the exact same judge, prosecutor, police detectives, etc. botched the heck out of that case, too. They even arrested a man that wasn’t even in Italy when the murders occurred. Then see if you still think she’s guilty.
It was never about a satanic ritual that was not a real quote but its something the PR team hired by Knox’s family seemed to jump onto and is often misquoted.
Faith, that’s been the prosecutor’s stated motive from day 1, so i’m not sure where you’re getting your info. It’s not even the first case that he has used that motive for.
Also, it took a long time for the Knox family to get their own PR, because they were so utterly buried in the press. They’re not exactly a family of criminal masterminds, instead they saw their daughter being thrown to the wolves by a rabid press (both domestic and foreign) and a foreign justice system that isn’t as concerned with things like proper police procedure and evidence. The court of public opinion was ready to indict her based on the grounds of her nickname Foxy Knoxy and the fact that she’s not the most likeable.
Some people think its crazy that people think she’s guilty. I think it’s crazy that people actually believe Knox and Solecitto.
The only way one can believe the two are guilty is if you buy the prosecutor’s Satanic theories. And this is the guy who threatened an American writer with arrest for murder in the Monster of Florence Case—–despite the fact that first murder occurred while the writer was a teenager living in America.
The prosecutor didn’t have any satanic theories. I’m afraid that was a myth apparently perpetrated by Sollecito’s lawyer. There is no mention of satanic rituals in any of the court documents or official reports.
You can’t can’t just argue “Nuh uh, no there isn’t,” when in fact it’s been documented numerous times.
Except Manjit is right the whole satanic ritual perpetuated by Knox’s PR team is balls its misquoted and the case was never about a satanic ritual just because it was in the papers doesn’t mean it was right. And you can’t say “Yu uh” because it was reported in the newspapers.
Me too … There’s even victim shaming (of her family) on this thread, which just beggars belief!
Oh, it’s “victim shaming” to point that the family has waged a witch hunt against an innocent woman? Is that like “fanshaming” those horrible fangirls who stalk people?
Meredith Kercher’s family has NOT waged a witch hunt against Amanda Knox or Raffaele Sollecito. I watched an interview with them on television, and not once did they blame Amanda. Meredith has been forgotten in all of this.
We need to remember that Meredith Kercher was the victim, not Amanda Knox. Amanda still has her life, Meredith is dead.
If Amanda is innocent, as seems quite likely, she is also a victim. Yes, poor Meredith is dead and Amanda has her life but what kind of life is it if she is innocent of this crime but forever hounded over it? I have nothing but sympathy for the Kercher family but the Italians botched this investigation badly and this legal circus is not justice for anyone.
I don’t think it is “crazy” that people don’t believe the case against Knox and Sollecito. There is a lot of video of the evidence collection out there, and the police completely contaminated the evidence samples they were taking in the bathroom as well as the bra clasp. The knife they claimed in trial #1 had the victim’s blood on it was analyzed later (? why after trial?) , and it did not have ANY blood on it…just rye bread. There are so many examples of misrepresentation and contamination of evidence, I don’t see how anyone can believe the prosecution.
I believe Knox and Sollecito because there is no scientific fact-based evidence that suggests that they were in the room when the crime was committed or had anything to do with it. With a crime that messy, it defies logic to think that other people could have been involved and left not a single trace. Randy Guede left a lot of evidence of his actions behind, because he committed the murder.
But there is evidence. I spent a considerable amount of time reading the reports (translated ones) and several books, so it’s tough for me to swallow the “no evidence.” That is simply a line successfully perpetrated by the Knox PR team in North America. Yes, the defense attorneys did a great job of lawyering and got some stuff thrown out…but even after that, there was still suff. But beyond that, for me, it’s that she DID change her story several times and was blaming other people (who turned out to be 100% innocent with alibis), which, I am sorry, that is horrific. She should go to jail just for that. IMO, her family’s PR team did an excellent job of re-painting the picture.
There is “evidence” but it was discredited after the court appointed DNA experts looked at the case. I posted above:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/case-vs-amanda-knox-called-farce/
“the judge ordered that a scientific panel review the evidence. They discovered 54 major mistakes by the crime scene investigators, and they also — which we reported three years ago — they also determined that the DNA evidence wasn’t DNA evidence at all. The piece of evidence that really damned Amanda was the notion that her DNA was on the handle of the knife and the victim’s DNA was on the blade, but what was really on the blade was residue from – rye bread,”
Vangroovey, I would love to know your source, everything I’ve seen shows a rush to judgement and incompetent police procedure. They lack any kind of credible motive for the killing. You seem to think there is a conspiracy between Knox and Sollecito, based on a week long relationship? It doesn’t pass the basic sniff test. No DA in this country would have attempted this prosecution. The Italian legal system is a joke.
I believe Rudy’s the killer. He was obsessed with Meredith Kercher and she spurned his advances time and again. I
So he killed her. Amanda and Rafaelle were just victims of circumstance. However..
Oh please, are you part of the Knox PR team or are you deliberately posting ridiculous debunked myths about this case to just be controversial?
And who the hell are you? The Italian prosecutor’s new PR flack?
This guy is under incredible pressure. Amanda’s fine, she’s half a world away. Sure she’ll be looking over her shoulder and filing legal papers from afar. He’s in Italy caught up in this game the prosecutors seem to be playing — psychological warfare. He’s got to do whatever to survive because I really don’t think he had anything to do with it. But he’s the Italian, he’s in Italy. If they can’t get Amanda, they’ll get him. Even though they have the actual killer. Why does RS and his legal team not constantly mention that. I’d be Rudy Guede-ing all day and all night.
Little too late to be believed now. Also, I don’t think it would be easy for anyone in the US to marry him and obtain a green card because wasn’t he a convicted killer before this final trial? Not sure how that would work but it is my understanding that felons can’t obtain green cards. I could be wrong though. Also, even if she had it takes a while before you can become a permanent resident it doesn’t just happen the moment you marry an American Citizen so by the time he would have been eligible he and Amanda both would have been convicted felons in Italy so he likely wouldn’t have qualified anyway and he would have been deported.
as far as I’m concerned, neither of them had anything to do with it and the killer, Rudy Guede, acted alone. the evidence makes the most sense that way. but I wouldn’t be surprised if RS is “turning” to distance himself from Knox, whom they seem hellbent on vilifying. AK will be fine. He is risking a huge prison sentence.
I have no doubt and acted weird after the murder. But acting weird doesn’t make somebody a killer, and everybody reacts to crazy situation differently. it is absolutely amazing what denial and fear will do, coupled with immaturity and typically weird behavior to boot.
So I just saw the interview she did with Diane Swayer and I found that there is just something off in her story. I think the Italian prosecutor and the police were pretty inept and with the case he presented and because of all the contaminated evidence the case had to be thrown out. I don’t know if she partook in the actual murder or not but it seems that she is hiding something. And boy she is as cold as ice in her interview. It was interesting when she was making the crying voice but there were absolutely zero tears. Again it is really an interesting case.
…..and there you have the equivalent of “polygraph science.” All it takes to falsely convict a woman is for her to be called a cold bitch and a slut.
Amanda WAS in fact, very slutty (in a dirty way), which did not help her situation at all. But I don’t think that was why she was sent to Italian prison. Raffaele and Rudy Guede were both MEN, and that did not help them. They were sent to prison also.
She is a cold blooded woman…very manipulative, she did not shed a tears even though she tried to.
You know this how?
The murder happened what, SEVEN years ago? Knox has already served time in prison and has had to recount and discuss the incident countless times! It baffles me why people call out her lack of tears when most people are unlikely to act emotionally raw about even a traumatic experience when it was seven years and countless retellings ago. When she does cry, it’s crocodile tears, when she doesn’t cry, she’s cold, either way she can’t win.
Seriously, I guess I must be manipulative and emotionally cold seeing as I don’t make a public spectacle of my grief when talking about loved ones that I’ve lost over the years. Sheesh.
You cannot base your assessment of a person off of some stupid tv interview. You call her manipulative and cold-blooded and you know this how exactly? Cause you’re so good at judging appearances?
I feel like it’s possible that she was a witness in some way, that she knew more than she admitted, not that she was the killer.
Please tell me more about “all” the contaminated evidence.
You can find video of it. One clip shows the crime scene techs picking up a piece of evidence——from the floor, where it had been kicked around for six weeks—–with their bloody gloves and passing it back and forth between their bloody gloves.
If you are referring to the bra clasp, as you say it was not found for a number of weeks and taking that into account, how could their gloves be bloody so long after the offence occurred?
You’re asking me to explain the demonstrably – shitty techniques of the crack crime scene techs you’re defending? And this is their own video, which I notice you ignore, much the way you ignore the how they contaminated it after failing to find it for weeks.
There is also video of the blood collection in the bathroom. The drops of blood are so tiny, you can barely see them in the video.
The tech takes a round cotton pad (not a q-tip type swab, a flat round pad) and with her thumb under it, she rubs the side of the sink, inside the sink, the handles of the sink, etc. So she gathers the blood on one swipe, but then also mixes any other traces on the sink with that blood, while simultaneously smearing traces of the blood where it was not originally located.
She also does this on the light switch in the bathroom (there are two switches) . Instead of testing each area/blood drop with one cotton pad and getting a new one for a different area, she takes one pad and rubs it on the the left side of the left switch, then at the top of the left switch, the bottom of the left switch, in between the switches, the top of the right switch, the right side of the right switch, etc. There is video of them doing this all around the bathroom, toilet, etc.
I have always thought there was something off with their story just because of the footage of them making out and rubbing on each other outside the crime scene. They might not have had anything to do with it but does a crime scene put you in the mood for foreplay?? The whole thing is just off and I feel for Kercher’s family. It has to be hard to move forward with such bizarre circumstances.
The only way you could talk about it like that is if you just swallowed the prosecution’s story and never viewed it yourself. It looks nothing like that.
How anyone can see the video of the pair outside the villa that day and see anything inappropriate is beyond me. They were most definitely not “making out.” There are three rather chaste kisses, mere pecks on the lips, between two young people who look rather dazed and shell-shocked. I guarantee you if I were outside a home in which a friend or roommate had been killed and I had a boyfriend with me, I would turn to him for physical support and comfort in that same way.
Fairyvexed…just so you know I did not call her a slut, I called her cold and she is. Lots of people are but that doesn’t make them murderers. You seem to be getting very upset about anyone having an opinion based on what we’ve been allowed to see. Sorry that my opinion does not correlate with your own views. There are four people who know the truth here and one is dead and I think it is terrible that she seems to be the forgotten victim here. Like I said, this is an interesting case.
Is that ‘seem’ in the way Knox’s detractors confidently assert she’s cold and/or guillty—-or as at least one person says above, kind of lascivious because she kissed her boyfriend a few times?
There are facts in this case. There are opinions. People are getting them confused, and they appear to be doing so based on who they believe. Some people really really seem to want Knox to be evil and calculating and that alone is rather a bit too invested for me.
I dislike illogic and the people who are attacking Knox as cold and bitchy or whatever are not behaving or thinking logically. As has been pointed out numerous times already, the prosecutor has a history and is not trustworthy, but some people do want Knox to be the villiain. I’d like to know why.
Dawn, you don’t know her, you don’t know if she is cold or not but you’ve decided she is or you’ve accepted someone else’s notion that she is. You want to claim it’s “your opinion” but it neatly dovetails with the opinion of the prosecution, one that they have put forth long and hard in the press. You’re absolutely entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. In my opinion you’ve been swayed by the prosecution and, in my opinion, their case is weak and full of gaping holes.
Cold as Ice can be the same as b*tch face. Some people have that unemotional icy personality. Think I’m one of those people and if people judge guilt or innocence by personality, I would be found guilty. I know someone that knew Ted Bundy and said he was one of the most animated, amiable and likable people you could ever meet. Appearances & body language can be deceiving and people shouldn’t judge guilt or innocence on personality or outward appearances.
This is not true!: “Throughout it all, Sollecito and Knox’s stories have been nearly identical.” During his first official questioning by police at the police station, while Amanda was doing cartwheels in another room, Sollecito said that he & Amanda spent most of November 1 at Amanda’s place, splitting up near the basketball courts next to Amanda’s house at around 8.20 p. m. so that Amanda could go to work at Le Chic. He went home alone, he said, smoked a joint, and had dinner. Amanda didn’t show up at his place until 1 a. m. on November 2.
However, Amanda had told the police a few days earlier that upon hearing from her boss at Le Chic that she wasn’t needed at work that night, she went straight over to Sollecito’s house (that would have been at approximately 8.20 p. m. on November 1) and spent the entire evening there, where, according to her, they watched Amelie, made dinner, smoked a few joints, and had sex. Note that Sollecito made no mention of watching a movie or smoking joints with Amanda – because according to his first version of events, she wasn’t even there until early the next day! Shortly thereafter, they both switched their stories to say that both of them stopped by Sollecito’s house before Amanda left to go to work. Obviously, something doesn’t add up here.
Both Amanda’s & Sollecito’s phones were switched off at 8.30 p. m. on November 1, which was odd. A clerk at a nearby store testified that he saw Amanda in the store’s cleaning supplies section at around 7.45 a. m. on November 2. Police arriving at Amanda’s house around noon on November 2 found a used mop and bucket on the porch, which Amanda & Sollecito could not explain. Equally interesting is the testimony of a homeless man who lives (or lived, at the time) on a park bench next to the basketball courts next to Amanda’s house. He testified that on November 1, he saw Amanda and Sollecito standing beside the basketball courts, staring at Amanda’s house, at 9.30 p. m. & again about an hour later, at 10.30 p. m. Courtroom observers stated that this man was very well-spoken and lucid in his descriptions of the area, so it would be unwise to dismiss his testimony simply because he is, or was, homeless. The medical examiner testified that it was more than likely Meredith had been killed by more than one person, based on the trajectory and placement of her wounds. Meredith had matching bruises on her arms consistent with someone holding her arms behind her back, and the stab wound to her throat was done while she was on her knees. Based on the trajectory of blood spatter when her throat was stabbed, Meredith had been killed on her knees in front of her closet, then dragged to the side of her bed. Amanda had told police that Meredith was found in front of her closet.
Anyone interested in this case needs to read Angel Face: The True Story of Student Killer Amanda Knox by Barbie Latza Nadeau. She spent over fourteen years based in Rome as a writer for Newsweek & The Daily Beast, & she’s also an occasional commentator for the BBC & CNN. She speaks fluent Italian and she was able to understand the courtroom proceedings, as well as the court documents, making her an invaluable resource. The conclusion of her book is obvious, going by the title, but she does an excellent job of parsing the ample and, at times, confusing evidence, and there is overwhelming evidence, both clear-cut and circumstantial, to back up her thesis. She thinks that the murder was the unintended result of roommate baiting gone terribly wrong, and that Amanda, Sollecito, & Guede were all high as kites & truly can’t remember everything that happened the night of November 1.
I share her view.
You’re citing Barbie Nadeau, the crazy hack who promoted the crap prosecutor’s story in the first place? A boring burglary/rape murder won’t sell shitty hack jobs. A sleazy Satanic cult angle WILL.
Oh, and that crap about cleaning supplies is STRAIGHT from the prosecutor. They claimed they had a receipt—-they never produced it, and John Douglas says it never existed. Now, between a hack trying to make money and a former FBI agent who founded the BSU, I know which one is more likely to know their stuff.
In her book, she dismissed the Satanic cult angle. I don’t know what pieces, if any, she published that espoused the demonic cult angle.
I don’t know everything about the case, but I do know that most of us here in the US don’t speak Italian well enough to fully comprehend the original court documents (such that they are online). Barbie does not fully back the prosecution in her book; she even calls the police evidence collection sloppy and poorly carried out. However, many of the facts she includes in her book are already widely known and agreed upon, and even those facts alone are enough to conclude that it is more than likely that at the very least, Amanda and Sollecito were present while Meredith was murdered. They were also more than likely too FUBAR to fully remember what happened that night.
John Douglas has been wrong more than once on high-profile cases. How would he be in a position to know if the receipt existed? Does he have contacts who tip him off to important information? Even if the receipt has never been found, who is he to invalidate the testimony of the store employee? Does founding the FBI’s BSU give him the final say on the facts of this case?
Barbie Nadeau’s book is the only book on this case that makes AK and RS look guilty because it is the only one that plays so fast and loose with the facts. She takes many prosecution points as gospel truth, while utterly ignoring the evidence that shows those prosecution points are nonsense. (Whether RS called the police before the postal police arrived, that the knife spoken about did not fit the wounds or match the bloody imprint made on the bed, that the homeless witness you mention (who was openly laughed at in court, btw) insisted he saw them so much that he actually gave them alibis for the murder and further insisted this happened on a night that could not have been the night of the murder.)
The sheer amount of fact-ignoring she had to do to make a case against these two shows that there is no real case against them.
Sollecito’s calling the police or not calling the police before the postal police service arrived is irrelevant. He changed his story more than once, and so did Amanda. Why would they do this? Could it be because they have something to hide? Could it be because they were too screwed up that night to clearly remember what happened? Could it be some combination of the two?
Did they change their stories so often because they were innocent and had nothing to hide?
A murder weapon can be hidden or destroyed. I have only Nadeau’s word about the homeless dude, so you may be right. However, even if you throw out his testimony, there is still enough evidence to point to Amanda and her boyfriend acting extremely oddly and out of character for both of them. How coincidental that this odd behaviour took place the same night that Meredith was killed.
Many of the facts Nadeau uses to prove her thesis – that Amanda & her boyfriend were somehow involved in Meredith’s murder, the extent to which is debatable; and that the two of them were too high to remember what exactly happened that night – are widely accepted. The phones switched off at 8.30 p. m. The contradictory stories that later change to agree on what happened. The used mop and cleaning bucket found at the house. The use of bleach to clean away most of the blood in the house. The large knife missing from Sollecito’s knife collection. (One of the knives used to kill Meredith was the same type of knife that was missing from Sollecito’s collection.) The bloody footprint in Meredith’s room that was the exact same size as Amanda’s foot. The lack of worry or sadness after Meredith’s body was “discovered.” Amanda’s decision to take a shower even though the bathroom had an unusual amount of blood in it AND Meredith’s door was locked, which was usually never the case. The accusation of Amanda’s boss as the killer, even though Rudy Guede was beyond a doubt the one that was at the house that night, and he was known to both Amanda & Sollecito.
The facts don’t point conclusively to Amanda’s being the killer, but they do point to her involvement. To what degree is an unknown.
You really need to look somewhere other than Nadeau for your facts. There was no bleach clean-up at the house. None. There was one false claim made 10 months later to a paying reporter that AK had come to a store and looked in the cleaning supply aisle that morning, but no one takes that seriously. The physical evidence at the scene of the crime does not in any way show a clean-up. The mop and bucket were tested and showed no traces of a clean-up as well.
It is taken as gospel truth that AK and RS changed their stories “numerous” times, but when pressed, no one can ever point to anything other than that night of the harsh interrogations. The simple fact is that they did not change their stories. They both consistently said (other than that one night of harsh interrogations when they were intentionally confused by police) that they were at his apartment, made dinner, watched a movie, smoked a joint, read a little Harry Potter. Any inconsistencies in specific timelines a entitrely natural. She might estimate they ate at 9 when he’s sure it was more like 10. Human beings are notoriously bad at time estimates. Had their stories been more consistent, that would undoubtedly have been deemed suspicious, a sign that they’d coordinated to get their stories straight.
The fact is there is absolutely no evidence that connects them to this crime. The only rational view of the case is that Rudy Guede acted alone while AK and RS were at his apartment, having no clue what was going on at hers.
@ Sarah – I’ve actually read quite a bit about the case, from various sources, and it’s accepted as fact that there was bleach used at that house. Did Amanda use it? Did her boyfriend? Did Rudy Guede? Nobody knows for absolute certain.
Actually, both Amanda & her boyfriend did change their stories – more than once. Pro-Amanda rhetoric claims that she did it because of police bullying, and that is a she said-he said situation, so we’ll never know for absolute certain if the police bullied her as she claimed. However, the upshot is that her story changed. More than once. I’m utterly baffled that you think otherwise, as this is one of the few facts of the case that isn’t disputed.
What is your source for the mop & bucket being tested but found negative for any cleaning supplies? I’m not trying to attack you – after all, neither of us killed Meredith! – but I’m genuinely curious.
I don’t know what to tell you about the bleach/mop/bucket. Every source (other than perugia murder file websites) acknowledges that there is no evidence about bleach being used at the house. The mop and bucket absolutely were not used in a clean-up. They were tested for Meredith’s blood and tested negative. Why AK and RS had the mop and bucket was well-established. (He had a leaky pipe in his apartment and, like a typical guy, didn’t have a mop, so they were going to take it to his house and remembered to bring it outside with them while they waited for the police to arrive.)
It is only accepted as “fact” that bleach was used at that house by people who quite frankly don’t know the facts. The real trial transcripts reveal absolutely nothing about bleach. The Nina Burleigh book, the actual trial transcripts, the Hellmann report, etc. There was no bleach cleaning.
As for the changing stories, please detail when they changed their stories. You’re asserting they did, but won’t tell when. Please explain. I’ll wait for a while, because you can’t because the truth is, the only deviation at all came that night. All the other hundreds of days since the night of the murder, they have said they were together at his apartment.
Seriously? So tell me, how many times have you been so messed up that you just can’t remember what happened even though it was a horrific murder? This is so ridiculously convoluted in an effort to implicate Knox and Sollecito and yet as with most crimes, the simple and obvious solution fits easily. Somehow Guede’s DNA and bloody handprint doesn’t convince you, nor his conviction, Knox must be guilty despite the complete lack of evidence of motive., the Italians told you so.
He´s right to have these questions.
Knox went home, her front door had been broken into and there were small bloodstains in the bathroom! And what did she do? She took a shower and hours later she went to Sollecito…. Would you take happily a shower when your door is broken and there is blood on the floor?
I love it when you can tell somebody’s sources.
There wasn’t blood on the floor. The crime scene techs sprayed it with some kind of luminol, which changed color. Then they took a picture and claimed Knox took a shower in a bathroom splashed with huge splashes of that pink chemical. That picture was distributed to the press.
THAT is how you frame somebody.
The door wasn’t broken in; it was open. There’s a big difference. That door didn’t always latch properly, as can happen in old homes, like mine. I have come home previously and found my door open. I realized the likely culprit was the wind and my own failure to lock the dead bolt. I have also come home to find my door busted down, with obvious damage to the door frame. Amanda came home to the first scenario, in a house with a known issue of that door latching, not the second. I didn’t call the police when I came home to that first open door, either.
As for the blood on the floor, when the other roommates and the first police arrived, they didn’t notice an obvious trail of blood, either. It wasn’t massive amounts of blood in the hallway or bathroom; it was small drops and faint footprints, visible once you notice them, but easy to overlook when you’re just trying to shower, change clothes, and head back to the apartment of your new love for a long holiday weekend.
You should check out the crime scene evidence collection videos of the bathroom. The drops of blood were so small that you can barely see them. In most places, you can’t see the blood at all, you just know it is there based on the evidence markers.
It didn’t look like a murder scene because the crime took place in Meredith’s bedroom. I don’t think your average person would jump to the conclusion that a crime had been committed based on the appearance of the bathroom.
Did Knox ever apologize to the innocent black man that she told police killed her roommate? He could have faced life in prison because of her lies. Hard to feel sorry for Knox, even IF she is innocent, because it seems like karma.
The guy that she was forced to implicate under duress? It’s amazing what stuff gets elided.
We only have Amanda Knox’s word that she was coerced.
And the fact that the interrogations are taped, and that one is the one which magically disappeared.
True, though we coincidentally have no interview tapes for that night, even though recording these things is standard protocol. If I were the police, it would be in my best interest to have any confessions on tape and to be able to demonstrate due process. Perhaps there were never any recordings, an unprofessional mistake on a high stakes murder investigation. Perhaps any tapes demonstrated anything but due process – duress, someone thinking she’s helping the police in broken, amateurish Italian liable to confusion… who knows . But it’s another clear instance of errors on the side of the investigation, that harm Amanda – her word against the police & their native tongue, when it was the investigator’ s responsibility.
You say this in every AK post. Why don’t you go look up the answer, and Google Saul Kassin and compliant confession while you’re at it.
Yeah so hard to feel sorry for her when he “could have” faced life in prison for a crime he didn’t commit and she is actually facing it.
He wouldn’t have any trouble finding an American woman to marry him. 10 minutes on match.com would do it. BUT he’s a convicted felon and thus not eligible for citizenship. Too bad he didn’t leave Europe when he was a free man.
He is an attractive man. He could find a marriage partner easily. I have to wonder why he did not try to marry someone here in the USA. I wasn’t aware that convicted felons from other countries were not eligible for US citizenship if they were to marry a US citizen.
What, if any, is the theory about why Guede and Knox and Sollecito all murdered her together?
Why do Americans keep insisting Amanda Knox is innocent?? Just because she is pretty and American??? There is considerable evidence that she may have participated in this crime.
Sorry, folks, Amanda Knox is NOT a nice person. She pointed the finger of blame at Patrick Lumumba, a bar owner, who was actually working in his bar the night of the murder. To my knowledge, she has never apologized for this or explained it. Except she keeps explaining everything as “being coerced” by the Italian police.
Why do people keep insisting that Americans are biased instead of reading about the MANY credible reasons that people would doubt her guilt? Read this thread, look at the many fact-based reasons to doubt the prosecution.
The facts are out there, you’ve just got to get that anti-American chip off your shoulder to see them. Look at the evidence collection, how independent court-appointed experts found at least 54 instances of bungled evidence collection. How what the prosecution said was Meredith’s blood was actually rye bread, etc.
I believe Knox is GUILTY after doing a lot of reading about her case and watching her on television.
Because those of us who think she’s innocent don’t fall for the sensationalist crap that the prosecutor and Barbie Nadeau peddle? Occam’s Razor really works. The people who buy that she’s guilty always seem to base it on the most sexist, emotional, outrageous crap, when it’s easy to prove wrong. Despite what the cartoons say, bad people in real life don’t act like PePe LePew.
Maybe because Americans watch a lot of police procedurals and detective shows and have a vague idea about what constitutes a shoddy investigation and an over eager prosecution. We are also aware of how easy it is for innocent people to be mishandled by the justice system. I would be happy to accept Knox as a viable suspect if they had credible evidence and a credible theory of the crime. Since they rushed to judgement, botched the evidence collection and now have continually changed their theory of the crime to force their prosecution, they have lost all credibility. Not to mention the fact that they caught and convicted the real murderer.
Bingo. A transient raped her and was in the house, admitted it, killed her.
I watch a lot of news programs and I have been stunned by innocent people who are literally treated in interrogation in such a way for hours and hours that they confess, or in Admanda’s case maybe pointed the finger elsewhere. People that have been proven to be innocent, and as far as I’m concerned, the prosecutors and detectives should be put away for life for railroading somebody. One man was convicted of killing his parents whom he adored and in jail for 20 years before he was let go on appeal, when there was so much proof an unsavory business partner did it. The son confessed because of interrogation methods used on him after being in shock finding his parents dead. A young boy put away in prison for killing his sister when that was zero proof he did it. It was a transient who came into her bedroom and killed her and it was proven later and the son released. On and on and on innocent people confessing under emotional duress or not confessing but convicted because the State lays out a theory ignoring other evidence. It is mindblowing sometimes and saddens me.
Nina W there are plenty of Americans who are put in prison, here in America, based on shoddy police work and no evidence. If Americans have such a superior justice system, why are there so many innocent people sitting in American prisons, even on death row?????? riddle me that one.
ScotiaNov, did you miss the part where Nina wrote, “We are also aware of how easy it is for innocent people to be mishandled by the justice system.”
Your “riddle” was answered before you even typed it.
Guilty, guilty, guilty. Her time will come.
Well, what do we need a legal system for, we’ve got you, do tell, oh wise one, how do you know of her guilt? Fly on the wall?
THANK YOU NYMERIA … sorry people but it is a FACT that Sollecito and Knox had different alibis. That is why they called Amanda back in and they started to see her as a suspect. Ask yourself why two people who claim they were together and chilling at his home all night, can’t keep that straight????!!!!
No, they did not have different alibis until the police interrogated RS on that night and broke him, first by getting him to admit he couldn’t swear that AK hadn’t left the apartment while he slept. Then they pulled AK into another interrogation room and told her that RS had definitively told them she was at her own apartment when the murder happened. Oh, and they also told her they had other witnesses who knew she was at her apartment at that time, as well. (That was a total lie.) So then AK started to believe she might actually have been there, because that’s how memory works. Enough people tell you you were somewhere you know you weren’t, you will eventually believe you were there, despite your own memory saying otherwise.
This is the only time either one suggested they might have been anywhere other than together at his apartment. I am so tired of people asserting all of these “facts” about this case that just aren’t true.
sooooo… they “did not UNTIL”???? and they DID suggest “they might have been anywhere other than together at his apartment” right? RIGHT …so that is a FACT. a FACT you just asserted/admitted yourself. those words and statements actually came out of their own mouths, period.
Sarah, that’s not how memory works. And all these lies you say the police told her, are not mentioned in the Massei Report, or in anything I’ve read about the case. These sound like convenient lies Amanda told her family to explain why she behaved in a deceptive way. If her memory was foggy like she claimed, why wouldn’t she just say so, or say she doesn’t remember? That would have been honest. Instead she goes along with a huge lie? She was not interrogated all night like she said, she was given food, she was not even asked to come in that night, she insisted because Raffaelle had to be there for his interview. She was not targeted she implicated herself.
The author of this post is wrong, Rafaelle has turned on Knox before, during one of his first interrogations! He completely took away her alibi saying he was alone at home all night and that she had left that night. It’s incredibly irresponsible to proclaim a false fact as true, this is because American media does not know all the facts, and cannot accurately describe this case to Americans, it has been too muddled by the Knox PR team. After Rafaelle took away her alibi, Knox said she was there and heard Meredith’s scream, and that Patrick Lumumba did it. Of course later she said she was abused by police (a lie she is being taken to court for, also her parents are going to court in Italy for perpetuating this lie). She was also convicted of lying about Lumumba. Rafaelle backed away from implicating Knox when he realized they were BOTH going to be arrested and tried. It was better for them to not implicate the other and both risk convictions, instead they chose to deny deny deny and possibly get off scot free. Now that the lying for each other did not work, and because Knox is protected by her US media campaign, and extradition process (which really only buys her time, they will not re-try her case), Rafaelle is putting the distance between them. He already feels that Knox could care less about him, all she cares about is that he keeps the truth quiet. I’m praying Raff cracks, he’s the most likely candidate to do so.
I do feel Knox has more of a psychopathic personality, and I feel she could well be guilty of having killed her roommate. She’s not really the innocent American girl that some people make her out to be.
There’s a whole heap of evidence. Please do not listen to the PR that’s out there! Read the original court/judgements and you’ll be astounded at how blatant a lie ‘there’s no evidence’ is.