I’m actually sort of stunned that we (with the help of Showbiz Spy) were ahead of the official announcement that Prince Harry and Cressida Bonas had split up. I read the first whisper about it Monday evening, I published the story about it Tuesday morning (when none of the legit UK or US sources were reporting it) and by Tuesday afternoon, the announcement had come. It just goes to show you – when all of us come together to crowd-source gossip, we often come up with assessments that are dead-on.
Anyway, what we’re looking for now is some detail as to what went wrong. According to People Mag’s first report on the breakup, Harry had been telling friends that he and Cressy were close to splitting because “He found her too needy and it just wasn’t working out.” Wait, HE found HER too needy? That’s interesting. I wonder if “needy” is code for “too immature to handle royal pressures long-term.” People then updated their story to include some quotes from a second source: “It’s very sad but they have decided to split up. This is an amicable decision and they are very much still the best of friends but they have decided to go their separate ways.” The source goes on to say that Cressida is happy she can now “concentrate on her career” (she’s basically a PA, right?) and she hopes she isn’t “hounded” by the press. Sure. Good luck with that.
Meanwhile, Us Weekly’s source says that while Cressy and Harry have definitely called it off, the source doesn’t believe “it’s for good… They hit a rocky patch and this decision is the result of that. Harry is the type to want to take breathers and then try again.” Us Weekly also says that Duchess Kate was trying to mentor poor Cressy, which is… what I’ve been saying for a while. Kate’s passive-aggressive fingerprints are all over this.
Speaking of conspiracies, what do you make of the timing? Harry waited until Will and Kate had come back from their tour… but he announced it on their wedding anniversary! He obviously was advised not to pull focus from the Cambridges, but I’ve got to wonder if Kate and Will appreciate Harry’s breakup announcement on their wedding anniversary. Also: I kind of believe Cressy and Harry broke up a few weeks ago and Harry really was waiting to announce it.
So, will Harry and Cressy get back together at some point? Perhaps. God knows. Harry will be 30 years old in September. He’s a Virgo, just like me, and we can be a bit too neurotic and needy. Maybe Harry will do the bachelor thing for a while. Or maybe Kate will set him up with someone.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
Wasn’t she “too independent” not more than thirty seconds ago?!
Still, yay! I never liked ‘er…
I know, right?
Typical dude response… When a woman wants you to consider her view point and her needs in a relationship she’s immediately the neediest ogre on the planet earth!!
I read it to be something like this, “Prince Harry likes a woman with an opinion, as long as her opinion agrees with his 100 percent of the time. He was over heard telling a friend that Cressida was much too needy in concerns with this!!”
What do I know, anyway!!
lol) u seem to take it personally. U dont know these people, remember?
PS. About the “typical dude responce” – if your partner doesnt consider your needs, it means he’s not that into you. Newsflash. And it goes both for women and men. The difference is that in average, women tend to want to be in relationship more than men do. So they lower the bar, and then end up feeling bitter and dissapointed. Sometimes.
This. The woman is always “needy” and the female ex is always ALWAYS “crazy.”* It’s exhausting.
*Unless she’s the victim of domestic abuse. Then he’s the asshole, of course. But it takes being a victim of DA before female exes get a pass.
@lana86
None of us “know these people.”
The rest of your post tells me you are very young. I hope your views grow along with you, because they make me very sad.
@ GNAT -i’m not especially young, but i’m always ready to learn 🙂 What is it that makes u sad in my views?? All I meant to say is that if someone calls u needy, it’s not about him being “a typical dude”, but about him not being interested in the relationship that much. And that yes, statistically it probably happens more to women, cuz the like being coupled more (statistically :)).
Lana, I just want you to value yourself enough so that you expect everyone to treat you well, whether they want a relationship with you or not. Actually, I think I misunderstood part of your initial post, so maybe I am the one who needs to learn to read more carefully. (If I knew how to put in a little embarrassed face, I would insert one here.)
Wrong spot. This is not my day
honestly I don’t think anyone can be more needy than a (British) Royal. Charles and William always want and get their way. Anne never has been the easiest and let’s not forget he epic needyness of Margaret.
I would’ve believed a ‘Harry is needy’ story much easier as a ‘Cressida is needy’ story.
Lana I don’t know you or them, but I have never found it to be true that men are relationship shy. That’s a media promoted myth that I think aims to keep women “in their place” so to speak, but in real life all the men I’ve known from childhood through to nearly middle age have felt more comfortable in relationships than being single-and often crave that security more than women who are more likely to have close platonic friends. But I grew up in the generation of serial monogamists.
Bettyrose: i was very surprised when i joined a company that was primarily male workers to find how much more comfortable men were with relationships than the single life. Being around men exclusively for the length of time i worked at that company was an eye opener in the best way. i learnt so much about men in general.
bettyrose, LAK i happily agree with u. But my point was that “Typical dude response” is not typical for dudes, but just typical for people who dont value the relationship. I dont like these cinical-agressive cliches thrown on the basis of gender. It seems u both support my point.
It has been my experience that men are very needy. Just as much or more then women. But it is only called needyness when in a woman. Like if she has any needs at all that is called too needy.
I don’t think it’s very gentlemanly of his friends to put this out there (if they really did). That goes for male and female friends. Why can’t they just leave it at amicable split, going separate ways? Why does it have to be a character flaw on the part of either one?
@ goodnamesalltaken
could you please explain what’s wrong with Lana86’s views on relationships?
Yeah, whoever put out the “too needy” statement needs to be dropped from the royal circle.
Course, to be fair, back in her Waity days, statements like that were put out about Duchess Kate, too. She ended up with the last laugh.
If these are royal friends, I hate to see their enemies.
I agree, the too needy crap is un called for.
@maria – see above. I had a knee jerk reaction to what I thought she was saying, which was that women need relationships more than men. Then I re-read and saw that that’s not really what she meant. Sometimes I have a tendency to react before I think that is not good and I need to work on it.
GoodNames,
This was countered supposedly by Harry already.
Both the Telegraph and the DM said something *VERY*
different. Note they are British papers and I linked them in yesterday’s posts. I think those two papers probably have the best explanations (basically they wanted different things and the press really highlighted their different needs).
Chelsy was called TooNeedy also. It must be a theme.
Wow, just smear the girl’s reputation while you come out squeaky clean. This seems to be the underlying pattern to bolster the royal image if Chelsy was labeled needy as well, whether or not Harry put it out there.
@ Francis and Feeshalori :
Yes, “needy” is what Chelsea was called also and Cressida was supposedly not needy and therefore better? But now Cressida is needy too? I don’t understand. Maybe this is indeed royal-speak for “She just didn’t work out. Next!”
@LADYSLIPPERS
Thank you… I was reading through all of the posts, waiting for someone to point out that there are other ‘versions’ out there. These were out yesterday/last night, so I’m kind of surprised CB didn’t even give them a mention. I guess sticking with the ‘needy’ version is better for snark. 😉
Actually, we all talked about how the needy part was debunked in yesterday’s post.
Actually, reportedly Harry (in the DM) was furious that this was put out.
A courtier probably (or the press) probably used the ‘too needy’ verbiage.
Good for Harry. I didn’t think it came from him.
The whole story isn’t being taken into
Consideration and we have papers with much better Royal sources.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-harry/10797049/Prince-Harry-and-Cressida-Bonas-split-up.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616166/Prince-Harry-splits-Cressida-breaks-separate-ways.html
Quote:
‘Unfortunately it is true, they have split up. But this suggestion that the prince supposedly “dumped” Cressida because she was “too needy” is so wide of the mark,’ they said.
‘It is a very amicable split and they are still very much the best of friends. They have just decided to go their separate ways.’
The source said that Miss Bonas, 25, was keen to ‘focus on her career’. She recently graduated from the Laban school of dance and is currently working for a marketing company in Soho while deciding what to do next.
‘Cressida has decided she wants to focus on her career and Harry is really keen that she is allowed to get on with her life,’ the friend said.
‘He is furious at this suggestion that the split was in any way because she was relying too much on him. Cressida is one of the most independent people he knows.’
Thanks, LadySlippers. I feel much better about it.
•GoodNames•
I am glad. I didn’t think Harry would use that verbiage and he’s actually been a gentleman, in the press, with his exes.
People here are getting upset by something the press or a courtier made up. It’s purely a baiting technique to rile people up and increase sales. Or it’s a great backbiting strategy used by a frustrated employee.
Thanks LadySlippers for the link.
Harry is always too kind in the press and from what i”ve heard in public as well.
Back to the article, Kate won’t set him up with anyone he doesn’t already know. All her friends have been his and Williams for much longer. I think Bea and Eug might have another go at matchmaker.
•Florc•
I’m backing off today because I think that because of how this story was framed, people are being unduly nasty to both Cressida and Harry.
BBC is also reporting this was an amicable split. But that isn’t as cool as one party bring at fault. And having it spun in an almost misogynistic way.
It’s also going to have me step back and re-evaluate how I talk/write about the Cambridge’s. I’m never fond of straight up nastiness and hopefully I’ve never crossed the line that separates constructive criticism with nastiness with them.
http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-27219684
LadyS
If I may be blunt I believe we need your perspective and insight more than we need to skewer these rumors. Please stay! Once the kneejerk reactions subside we will all settle down and analyze the latest royal follies here lol.
@LS I’ve seen you make fair criticism. I’ve seen you get a little heated when you feel strongly. I’ve seen you do a bit of good-natured teasing. I’ve never seen you be spiteful.
So I shouldn’t stress it. Just be yourself. No need for any pulling back.
LS – Your perspective is valued and I, too, have never seen nastiness in your posts. Quite the opposite.
I think this split is actually for very, very boring reasons. They were at different places in their lives, wanted different things and could not map out a compatible future.
Actually I think that Harry’s split with Chelsy was along the same lines.
Plus, either the women themselves, Harry, or both of them as a couple decided that the long term potential for a successful royal partnership wasn’t there.
Actually, I think our party prince has very boring breakups.
Dame – re yesterday and my “astrology says this about Harry’s upcoming love life” comment — yup, I think, watch for the results of that tour. I think he’ll be shopping off shore.
http://www.astrology.com/prince-harry-earth-fire-dynamo/2-d-d-482771
Suze: i quite agree about Harry’s boring break ups. With William there was dancing on tables, parties/holidays with his boys a few randoms to be kissed who later told etc etc and so forth.
Zara had fights and brawling in the street.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-18456/Zara-brawl-boyfriend.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-129200/Sad-Zara-close-breaking-live-boyfriend.html
the party prince is really letting the side down!!!
@LADYSLIPPERS
LOL, I just posted above in reply to another post you made before reading this comment as well. Thank you for posting these other links. As I said above, I’m kind of surprised CB didn’t mention these other sources. I don’t think for a minute that Harry would be so mean as to try to blame Cressida in the press, as has been stated. He already knows how difficult the press is going to be for ANYONE he gets involved with. Why on earth would he make it worse by having such a narrative put out?? He wouldn’t.
It’s unfortunate the ‘needy’ comment was used by anyone as that seems to be the version most will run with.
LadySlippers
If you feel you need to back off from a specific tone or these threads I understand. I hope that how others perceive your constructive criticism or harmless jokes/insight as hateful or nasty isn’t a big drive in your actions.
I’m not a fan of people changing opinions that aren’t hateful because others can’t handle anothers thought that differs with theirs. If that makes sense.
And here not everyone is like this, but many are very black and white. You either adore or despise the Cambridges. There is no middle ground. Don’t let those opinions sway yours.
As others have said, we enjoy your opinions and posts. Personally your back and forth with Dame Snarkweek are my favorites!
LadySlippers, you’re good. Let it all hang out. This is what an online gossip community is about; we share what we think and exchange opinions.
Take it easy, and I’m looking forward to more of your posts!
He’s had so many major and ugly faux pas in his young life, from nazi to ginger ninja in Vegas, I’m afraid this man will have a tough time behaving like a gentleman who can win the trust of a woman with a solid personality.
They didn’t seem great as a couple. And to be honest, prince or not, I think she’s better off without him.
She had a lucky escape….
*diving to the left*
She dodged a bullet!! Hahahaha!! 😉
I think she was leaking stories to the media about an imminent engagement and got dumped.
You know I almost wonder if there weren’t three leaks: Cressida trying to hang onto her independent, free spirit identity, Mother Cressida/Richard Branson trying to shame Harry into an engagement and Harry not having any of it. In hindsight I bet Cressida wishes she had told her family to just leave it alone. I don’t think she was angling for the ring but I don’t think she anticipated getting dumped either. I think Harry pulled the plug, not her.
Snark,
Have you read the Telegraph and the DM? Totally different takes on this.
Lady,
I think that’s Dame’s opinion of what happened. I tend to agree with her and PHD.
The Telegraph and DM were also reporting for months an engagement was right around the corner. I think the only fact in those articles is the relationship is over. As for their details (or anyone else’s) I’ll take with a giant grain of salt.
•Memme•
I do understand.
However, the press will *always* spin it to be favourable to sales. And both papers had quotes that said the opposite of what they wrote (especially the DM). Most of the quotes stated she didn’t want to get married but the press ignored it and continued painting the picture they wanted. The articles I referenced finally stopped spinning and are probably the closest we’ll get to the truth of the matter.
Memme
I’ll take your grain of salt and raise you a bottle of margarita mix! The problem with so many erroneous and conflicting leaks is it takes longer to unravel now that it’s over.
LadyS
I nevr believed Cress had the media on speed dial but I think her family helped put the nail in this coffin.
Lady,
In the same breath you are trying to validate the current articles from DM & T, you’re admitting they are not always so honest and straightforward in their reporting. I’d say that’s contradictory. You could be right that they’ve finally stopped spinning, but I’ll continue to stand where I’m at for now.
Dame,
I’ve got the ice and tequila. Let’s drink!
I am of the same opinion as you Dame Snarkweek!
Sadly there were too many PR from her side stirring the pot for almost 2 years with leaks, interviews, photos, covers, stories!
Not to mention reports on her ultimatum to Harry after he returned from deployment on deleting Chelsy’s number and ending texting and other females he kept in contact. She reportedly pushed to become more public with him. IMO the media spun stories for her sake and to make money via push for royal wedding. Too many other interested in this relationship and her dropping any personal interests/goals to make herself available for his whims does not bode well for a love relationship.
None of us will ever really know the truth- and new reports suggest they are taking a breather. If so it will really end any good wishes for either one of them in the long run if that takes place. No one likes being played or lied to- especially the public. If they want to be together then fine, but do not blow so much smoke up the public’s backside! It is a sure cure to end any one wishing either one of them any good will.
Guess we can put away our tin foil hats until next time ladies! Lol! Drinks before noon anyone? Cheers!
I think all the papers constantly spinning harry was about to propose had a lot to do with this. the british mags have been spinning since harry and cress went on the ski trip with fergie in switz. I think when engagement keeps being shoved on you it really makes you think hard. i never believed the shy cressie bit either and ii have never thought harry was desperate to get married
Fairy godmother: i am confused. How can Cressida give Harry ultimatums about Chelsy’s phone number when she herself is friends with Chelsy?
FairyGM
Oh please make mine a double – Memme has my salt shaker lol! I doubt they will get back together because anytime Harry and Chels split it was Chels doing the walking and then them quietly reconnecting. With this being a palace announcement Charles probably asked Harry a million times if he was sure. But one never knows, I guess.
I agree with Memme on the reporting angle. And that’s a good question, LAK. Maybe being friends with her and Harry still having her phone number are two different things?
LAK- Yes Chelsy is “friendly” with Watercress. That is because Chelsy has been long-time friends with Watercress’ half-brother Jacobi.
That is not to say these two are dear friends who get together and chat often to one another. Chelsy is very cordial.
The ultimatum Watercress issued to Harry was reportedly about his keeping in touch and also flirting with Chelsy and other females he kept in regular contact. My understanding she issued him a few months to straighten up his act- or else. Lol! What man in love needs to be given an ultimatum? None that I know of!
Who is to say she felt threatened by Chelsy? One can only begin to wonder when your bf shares no holidays/birthdays yet spends time in S.Africa with an ex-gf after several weeks away in the South Pole. Go figure!
fairy godmother,
I don’t think Chelsy was even in South Africa when Harry made that stop.
There’s a lot of personal interpretation in that theory Fairy Godmother.
Were the ultimatums known or in articles/rumors?
And i’m great friends with exs. The longer weve been exs the longer i’ve been friends with them. And I interpret Harry as being the same way. Friendly no matter who you are.
Also, Chelsy is within his circle. From what I understand that circle is tight.
I’ll believe Cressida may have been threatened a bit by Chelsy or another, but only because that’s an immature route/action and she is very young.
And men in love do get ultimatums. All the time. You can be deeply in love and still have a quality another doesn’t really care for. I also wouldn’t throw around the word love with these 2. Puppylove or lust, sure.
Lastly, I firmly believe there is nothing left between Chelsy and Harry that isn’t a glorifed memory of young love between 2 aristos. There’s more romancing of their memory here than in their own minds imo.
Hi FLORC! I was specifically addressing the friendliness between Chelsy and Watercress- not Chelsy and Harry.
As far as Harry and Chelsy remaining friends- why not? I do not take issue with that. It was more about my responding to LAK with regard to what type of friendship was between the two women.
Memme- not sure on whereabouts- only reports put out through a certain party that Harry spent time with Chelsy right after his South Pole trek and she was supposedly visiting her family around holidays. Either way imo Harry and cress did not spend any significant holidays together that most young couples can not wait to spend time together (regardless of family time) Christmas, New Year’s, Birthdays, and maybe Easter are often celebrated together. If not on the day usually around the time if other issues at hand. Harry was in Scotland @ Easter with his dad.
As far as I am concerned the entire relationship was weird. Too many parties with interests, leaks, stories along with smoke and mirrors, scheming, contrived relationship when it should have remained private and just let things develop naturally.
Someone was a too greedy and pushy and it appears to finally backfired. I am not buying latest spin on her not wanting to pay for a plane ticket to Nashville wedding. It makes her look petty when in fact tickets would have been reserved long in advance and not the night before alleged break-up. And if she was Harry’s guest/date does she really expect people to think he would expect her to pay? Too many stories. She and her PR need to stop before she looks worse and ruins any chance of salvaging her reputation. I am sure harry is not putting out all this crap- plus he is most likely too busy partying with his buddies in Nashville!
i don’t think kate had anything to do with this either. kate doesn’t have any power and i really don’t think harry would listen to her or William. the only people i think harry really listens to are his grandfather and charles
GoGo
I’ve come to expect this. But gee, I love your name.
She may have come to that conclusion because an article was published not too long ago about how Cressida had talked to Kate about royal life and Kate gave her the warts and all answer. Combine that with Kate theoretically being a bit paranoid about Cressida’s sister, and it’s not that farfetched.
That’s if you believe that Kate wastes time thinking about Isabella. You would also have to believe that Kate and Cressy make time to talk much. You would also have to believe that Cressy would turn to Kate and not Andrew, Fergie and the York princesses.
With all due respect, Snarky, Kate would be a much better person to talk to about marrying into the royal family than people who were born into it.
I don’t know that Kate talked to anyone, and wouldn’t think she would. I was responding to another poster’s question about why it was mentioned here today.
Hmmm!! The word needy just kept being thrown around a lot in this one, on both sides of the story!! These two are far from over. I predict that Harry will marry a woman who is willing to conform to the royal demands, but will still be thinking about Cressida… Basically, they are far from over!!
they are over. funny because everyone else thinks he will always be thinking of chelsy
Timed so prince harry is unattached this weekend in Memphis. at Guy Pellys wedding.
Harry is going to have a Burning Man weekend for sure.
Very convenient timing for him!
LOL Yes, interesting timing on Harry’s part. I do think he is the one that suggested they part ways, even if ‘amicable.’
Can’t wait to see pics from Pelly’s wedding, to see who was there and the fun they get into.
Yup. He’s obviously planning to attend stag and probably will be seen chatting up some American blondes. This time he’s made it clear he’s single (unlike Vegas, when he and Cress were not yet official).
The Beale Street Music Festival is this weekends too so he will have plenty of young women in sundresses to choose from
I really wonder what is happening with the princes with regard to missing their step-uncle’s funeral on Thursday. Camilla’s brother died most unexpectedly and even if the brothers were not close to him should they out of respect for their father attend the funeral on Thursday?
They would not have to miss the wedding and it is not as if they have not partied to their hearts delight in the past with Pelly.
They are getting too old to dismiss familial responsibilities imo. Family is everything- even if one does not get along with everyone- it still is family.
Like any other political figure, it’s difficult to change their travel schedules around at the last minute. Secondly, your step-parent’s siblings are not close enough family to make attending their funerals an obligation. Charles will attend to support his wife that’s plenty. There is no need for the princes to jet back to England for the funeral of a man they have barely met in order to support the woman who their father cheated on their mother with.
Wow
Well, Dutch, it’s reported that both Harry and Wills have a good relationship with Camilla, so I don’t think that they just consider her “the woman who their father cheated on their mother with.”
And who knows how many times they met him?
That said, they probably weren’t close enough to her brother that their appearance at his funeral is mandatory. And Guy Pelly is a very close friend whose wedding has been scheduled for a long time.
And Rio… this smells a bit like a “one last single romp” to me
Excellent observation PHD
Well that was quick. I thought it was the opposite though, that she didn’t want the life?
Obviously this is to make Harry look better, it was kind of unneeded.
I’m a Virgo and while I admit to being neurotic, I am in no way needy. I know next to nothing about signs but I was supposed to be born a Leo, but procrastinated too long. (this is what I tell my mom when she’s bitches at me for always being late)
I’m a Leo and my best friend since second grade is a Virgo. She is loyal as the day is long, funny and kind, a little reserved. Are those Virgo traits?
I’d like to think so, because I try to be all those things but I honestly don’t know. My best friend is a Leo, wonder if that’s common?
I don’t know that much about astrology, but find it interesting. (I’m a Leo, so I find anything about me interesting, lol)
I’m a Virgo. I think that we are very loyal and quite reserved. We tend to be perfectionists and hold ourselves (and others) to high standards. We’re hard working, organised, reliable, compassionate, and analytical. But, we can be quite stubborn and come off as cold sometimes.
That sounds like my friend very much, although I wouldn’t especially call her stubborn. Sometimes she is perceived as cold, though she is not at all. I think she is just sometimes too reserved to express her warmth, if that makes sense. She hesitates, even though she feels the feelings, and the moment is gone. Or she might make a statement that seems to be trivializing the problem when she is just trying to lighten the mood.
Virgo party! Where’s Kaiser?! We call sit around quietly drinking tea while analyzing each others lives and giving tips on what we need to change then get ticked off at each other for the invasive dissection. 😉
Hello and sending love out there to all my fellow LEOs!! xx
My oldest and dearest friend since the age of two is a Virgo. Her stubborn streak is relentless at times- but I still love her to bits!
We can go years at a time without seeing/speaking (due to geography). Yet, in one conversation we can still finish each others sentences/thoughts! I have many long-term friends, but she is my dearest and most special friend that we can always pick up right where we left off. Hope everyone is as blessed as I have been!
Have a great day everyone!!!
No, they’re Scorpio traits!! 🙂
Can I get in on this one!! I’m a virgo and my bestest friend is a leo! And our friendship is just like fairy godmother’s!! We’ve been best friends for 33 years – despite now living on different continents!! So blessed 🙂
Other than that, as for the break up … Meh, no drama really. I’m sure they’ll both figure things out 🙂
Wow, look at all of the close Leo/Virgo friendships! That’s making me smile.
Leos like servants. Of course they like Virgos.
LOL!
Same here. I’m am also a neurotic, but not needy, Virgo.
Oh Grail! Leos like servants? Lol!
I do not know what kind of Leos you know, but I can only speak for myself-
Sorry for any heartbreak, but they never seemed right for one another. Maybe it’s for the best.
With you on this.
I can understand why they would like each other, but I can also see why they wouldn’t last. This girl who seems shy, wants to be a dncer and likes scrunchies would be a very unhappy duchess.
Good bye ironic scrunchie girl! You were neither as fun as Chelsie or as pulled together as Kate.
Interesting the People Magazine – a foreign publication (gasp) – was first with the story.
Catching all the Brit papers off guard and scrambling big-time
Prince Felipe of Spain did not get married till 35 (and he’s actually the heir!)
Prince Carl Phillipe of Sweden is unmarried at 35……………. and so on and on
Why should Harry rush to get married to people’s fave? To make people ‘feel good’?
I never bought the stories of “Harry is desperate to be married” that were being spun. I do believe he wants that life for himself, but I don’t think he is thinking about marriage all the time, playing out fantasies with white-picket-fences with every woman he gets involved with.
You get to a certain age and everyone wants to marry you off. Sometimes people do get into relationships for reasons like companionship and sex without marriage being the endgame. It’ll happen for Harry when it’s right. Until then I wish the people would chill out.
Who knows what is going in the mind of the Ginger Prince?
Typically male British royals get married around the 30 year mark. And Harry has made statements about his love for kids and desire for a family.
It leads to speculation that he might be at the age for settling down.
Then again, it could all be distraction for the fact that he really just wants to cat around for the next ten years or so.
Nothing was really spun. Harry said himself that he was ready for a family.
Suze,
Yes, I remember him saying he wants a family and kids. I’ve seen the interviews. That’s why I believe he wants it.
My point is, I don’t think Harry is consumed by thoughts of marriage. I think he would rather wait and be sure in his decision, than rush into anything because of outside pressure. In the 1950s people were expected to be married by age 21/22. Now it’s 30. Not everyone is ready or wants it at the same time.
I definitely believe Harry will find happiness in marriage and family, he deserves it. I just don’t think societal ideals should factor into when, how, or with whom.
And I’m sure he knows once those single days are gone, they’re GONE. I doubt he’s in a hurry to let go of his bachelorhood, no matter how much he wants to be married.
Dame,
I’m talking about every story regarding Harry and Cressida from the last several months- “he desperately wanted to get married, she wasn’t ready.” Every article written about them made it seem marriage was all he could think about, like it was a cloud hanging over their heads, the deciding factor in their relationship. Marriage was the end-all be-all for Harry, and she was afraid of being rushed into it. That’s what I mean by spun.
I still don’t think they were that serious. Exclusive, sure. Serious, hardly.
Yes, both Harry and William have stressed, in several interviews, the importance of marrying the right person for them and for the job of royal consort.
We make fun of the Cambridge work schedule on this site, and rightfully so, but there are job requirements for a wife of the heir and the spare.
Maybe Cressida was right for Harry but not for the job? We won’t know, ever, I am sure. I tend to think the last two years have been sort of long job interview for her, and in the end, she didn’t get the job.
Memme
Sorry, yes, in that context you are completely right.
Suze
Your statement actually reminds me how unfortunate it was that the media and small jealousies came between Di and Fergie in the end. What would have happened had they remained allies?
I don’t think much would be different, Snarky. Diana didn’t need the media to have turbulent relationships with people from what I’ve read.
Blu
True, unfortunately. A real shame because they had lots in common and could have supported one another. They did for awhile at least.
@Dame Snarkweek
I read those Harry statements on family based more on emotion or the ‘right thing to say’ than the actual reality. JMO
You might be right. I say this because one of the posters here lives near Gloucester Road and actually saw Harry and friends out at a bar. She said he was drunk, sweaty and made a cheeky comment to one of the female diners about sausages. This happened while he was with Cressy. I could be mistaken but I think it was AmandaPanda. It is shocking how people behave with alcohol and no cameras around. Harry is lucky he has natural charm and a great personality/work ethic.
Snark,
I think you can still want a family and make sexual/cheeky comments. They are not mutually exclusive ya know! Lol
😉
Dame: ‘drunk, sweaty, cheeky saucy comments, sausages’, you say?
That’s a standard for my local pub. British humour and banter!!!!
Throw in military and cheekiness and alcohol factor multiplies exponentially.
And that’s just the females.
No one takes that stuff seriously at all. Except people who don’t understand the culture.
As a nation we drink too much hence the pub on every corner, we get sweaty and flirty and make saucy comments to random strangers that we probably regret when we sober up.
LAK
“And that’s just the females”
This is the quote of the day!
Point taken about Brit pubspeak lol.
Oh look at how quick that re-casting of Blanda Oatmealington is happening, First she was “a free spirit” now she is “needy” mmk
I was super right to stay off the Cressy Breathless News Cycle and Ringwatch
Hahahahahaha!
You are the wise one, QQ.
I can barely keep these Blanda Oatmealingtons straight. And I would be royally ticked off about the needy reference if I were this particular Blanda. Low blow.
Hi Q!
Hi Dame! *waves frantically*
Christin : If he wants a wife he should try a Blanda Oatmealington from Middle Class or just moneyed sector, that would help him a lot, them girls aspire to the fairy tale
Exactly QQ. A woman from that background would work hard to be all that is expected.
But for some reason, that’s just not Harry’s thing.
QQ, I agree. And thank you for the Blanda reference. That is the perfect reference for these seemingly interchangeable aristos. I realize they are all individuals, but most sound dull as dishwater. Apparently, though, they are smart enough to sidestep the so-called royal fairy tale.
OMG QQ, you are the commenter that I look forward to every day. I have never laughed out loud at comments as much as I do yours. Same to Good Names, LAK, Slippers, Sixers bluemarie and TOK are also some of my faves with their cleverness.
Thank you CBers, you make me smile !
Aawwww all the Hugs and kisses to you today!!
YES THIS!! Love the comments too 🙂
So sweet, thank you, but QQ is Queen. (Is that what Q stands for?) lol
Some day, after Harry marries someone boring and reliable, we’ll all be pining for the good old gossip days of Harry and his blonde, needy girlfriends.
Oh Suze….No Blonde Duchess fun for you.
Or allstruthers.
Boo hoo.
I KNOW. Hopefully the next one will have a good name that I can change about for my own nefarious amusement.
Allthrusters, LAK, Allthrusters! I will miss them. Maybe they’ll be back. 😉
B: LOL.
I’ve been so boring and reasonable on these royal threads lately it’s really not Good Gossip at all. Will and Kate made an earnest effort on their tour and it ruined all my fun with them. Then Harry drops the Allthruster woman and poof – all my fun dissolves.
Feh. Maybe Harry will date a stripper or a taxidermist or someone with a little zip next. We need a shake up around here.
I’ve been meaning to talk to you about your reasonableness, Suze!
I want Harry to marry a mature kick-ass military type who’ll karate chop him into order with her hands of steel and combat boots . Then we’ll see how “needy” she is. Surely there’s no dearth of females in the units he’s served with who’s fit for the job! 😉
Now that would be something!
I’m gonna miss this one. I was really starting to get attached. I think it was the scrunchies that reeled me in. Sniffle….
So much for their engagement being announced any day now.
Probably the best anniversary present Duchess Kate got!
‘Or maybe Kate will set him up with someone.’
I know I’ll get slammed for this, but I still kind of want to see Hippa (Harry and Pippa Middleton) happen.
That would be Great for Gossip and probably terrible for the people involved.
Especially Nicko!
LOL Poor Nicko. He wants to be famous so badly.
I actually think he and Pippa are perfect for each other.
I agree. I think if Pippa and Nicko are completely honest with each other about what they truly want from their relationship they could have a very successful, long lasting marriage. Or business partnership depending on how you look at it.
Yes! Just add marshmallows 😉
Agree, Memme. And I love Nicko. Much better than Nico which I always thought was his (perceived) suave nickname from Nicholas.
Nicko is eons better than Nico.
Haha marshmallows! What should the photo be? His and Hers tanning beds anyone?
Orange ice creams on little sticks lol
Apparently she was seen going into the palace last week, so I don’t think they broke up weeks ago and were just waiting to announce. And I don’t think this was about her being pushy — “sources close to Harry” have been pushing back on that, saying that it was just about them being at different points in their lives (him almost 30 and wanting to settle down, her a young-for-her-age 25 (which I totally believe) not being ready for that).
I don’t think people have been considering “the Chelsea factor.” Remember it was announced that Chelsea is very serious with the jeweler dude? I think that Chelsea is Harry’s Lobster & he is going to try to convince her one more time. If that doesn’t work we will see a reunion of sorts with Cressie & Harry.
Maybe she forgot her Hello Kitty toothbrush.
Lol!!
Crying laughing!
She seem harmless and nicke. But from The photos , they look more like brother and sister. Chelsy and Harry, on the other hand, complete chemistry.
Agreed, you could see the electricity crackle between Chels and Harry.
Is it me (selective attention?) or is it only women that are reported as ‘too needy’? Is the male half of the former couple ever described like this? Is it because women (unlike men) are still defined by society as a whole by their relationships? I’ve forgotten the number of times I’ve been asked if ‘I’m seeing someone yet? – and this within weeks of a long term relationship breakdown as if obviously I just can’t function in the real world as an individual on my own because of my gender because as a woman I’m inherently needy. Getting very tired of it all – (sighs dramatically) and the ‘needy’ explanation slapped on any woman who splits up from a prominent male. My rant for the day is over…off to make (or murder) tea…
Go read the Telegraph and the DM articles relating to this. It’ll make you feel better. I’ve linked them up thread with a quote countering the ‘needy’ verbiage.
Thanks that does make me feel better about this particular story but I still think the ‘woman = needy’ slant is thrown around far too much in the media – if there wasn’t such a preponderance of male newspaper/magazine editors we might have moved past this by now…jmho
I never thought they seemed right together. I don’t see why people want to rush Harry into marriage anyway. He’s a young, handsome prince! Why should he settle down so soon?
Wasn’t the Daily Fail kind of saying there were issues a few weeks ago? I hate the Fail, but the one thing they tend to be good at is Royal watching news. Not surprised at the break up tbh. Lainey posted photos of her at the tube last week, and I thought that was telling that she was the type to choose the tube rather than the town car or a taxi. I think in theory being a princess sounds fantastic, but in reality it is probably not. They are under intense press scrutiny and have to essentially give up their lives, career, and sense of style to the crown. Cressida seems like a free spirit, is loaded, has tons of family connections, and is only 25––––changing to a life of pulled back buns, ending some friendships, conservative suits, and not working while being hounded by the press was probably not worth it to her.
Her use of the tube isn’t a reflection of anything. Every card carrying Londoner uses the tube, including very famous people.
Boy, would it have fueled the gossip if Cress had been swanning around London in a town car!
I really want Harry to get another girlfriend stat. I feel the gossip gap already.
Oh, the tube is so nice and clean, and doesn’t smell of … Doesn’t smell.
It smells like heaven compared to the NY subway.
Although that has been cleaned up a bit in the past couple of years, it’s still the bowels of the earth. Yet everyone uses it.
There are some NASTY trains in Japan. More the train stations. Yuck.
*shudder*
The trains/subs in Mass and NY are ok, but Europe had the nicest trains by far imo in my travels. Never saw one I would ride.
Its funny because the Cressy tube pap walk was the only time we ever saw her with serious bitchface. Was it already over then?
i think it was over then. there were other photos of her in all denim and when i saw those i thought the same thing, being that her and harry were over. when that dm article came out over the family summit i thought that was the end. and the dm article that followed that one claiming cress was going to burning man and other stuff was done to soften cress image as to not make her look like she was on the verge of not getting the tiara.
I think you’re onto something.
The ginger one is going to have a great time at the wedding this weekend. Not as good a time as he had in Vegas, of course, but still fun. But why do people think he and Cressida are not really over? Legitimate question as I don”t really know.
Cameras will be confiscated at the door, I am sure.
Who knows what is really going on with them? Maybe royal sources and reporters are hedging their bets on this one. After all WillKate split for a while, too. Woe to the reporter who reported too gleefully on that one.
Wonder if Cressida is going to the wedding? These folks are all pretty much intertwined.
Cressida’s presence at the Pelly wedding is unlikely. She was invited as Harry’s +1, those invites don’t usually stay open post-split.
While the social circles are the same I think the closeness is also dependent on age. They all went to the same schools, but not at the same time. For example, my friend’s younger sister is pretty cool, but I only see her when she’s at an event along with him. Cressida is 5 years younger than Harry’s set, so events such as this are probably easy to (ahem) “cut” her out of. However, the intertwining of the group does mean that almost all splits need to remain amicable. I do think it could always get awkward pretty fast if there’s a messy breakup.
There you are HH!!!
Just want to personally thank you for all the links to a hot Harry from the other story!! You rock!!! XXOO
Would Chelsy be invited to Guy’s wedding, or her boyfriend the jeweler? They knew each other for quite a few years and she seems to still be part of that upper crust set.
Oh my. That would be most entertaining.
He doesn’t need to be married by a certain age like his brother, but if he wants to… He better start dating girls who have lived a bit more and are more interested in the upgrade he would provide.
It drives me a little nutty that the “sources” are always trying to paint her as an independent young girl just trying to make it in the big city. i.e. That she is living in as sketchy area and must have a room mate and can’t handle all the attention. She is a young woman who comes from a wealthy family and is very well connected. She has been rotating in these circles whole life. None of this should have been a surprise to her.
Pretty soon you won’t hear anything about her at all!
I think that’s what she wants go back other aristo life, dances, social parties, concerts, maybe dating Earls or a Dukes, like she was before Harry.
What’s interesting about that, Francis, is that this is exactly what was predicted for Kate when she and William broke up in 2007.
This also annoys me. Cressida seems like a nice girl but I don’t buy this mousy little English rose in a tutu perception. Anyone who chooses to date a prince after a lifetime of proximity to the young royals knows exactly what is going on. That doesn’t mean that she was ready to settle down but there were no sudden “realizations” of what life would be like, either.
I think you can know but not really know until you are in the situation.
I think that happened with Duchess Kate. She dated William for years, was papped a lot as the royal girlfriend, and probably figured she understood the game when she got married. But there have been times since then that she has definitely looked overwhelmed.
I think Kate is finally finding her feet, but it took years of dating and three years of marriage to begin to understand what the royal life was about.
Diana is a textbook example of how it can all go wrong even with knowledge. She grew up with the royals as playmates and still…
snark i love “mousy English rose”
Squeak, lol.
And my little niece thinks Cressy is very princess-y and the bee’s knees. Don’t know how to break the news lol.
Well, Diana was completely entangled with the royals growing up, even more than Cressida, ditto Fergie to a lesser extent, and they all struggled with the reality of royal life.
Very true, but don’t you think the hysteria surrounding Diana was unprecedented? I mean, she knew she would be in the public eye, but the interest in her was so much more than “normal” so she couldn’t really foresee how it would be.
Good point Goodnames. The craziness that surrounded Diana was completely different than anyone who came before her. She couldn’t have foreseen what it would be like and even Fergie to some extent would have been a bit surprised. My point was that after Diana, Fergie and Kate that it shouldn’t be a surprise anymore.
I won’t speak for LAK, but I took it to mean that Diana and Sarah were surprised by all the internal machinations of the palace and the strange dynamics of the royal family, plus the unrelenting pressure of royal obligation within the Firm.
That is different from the frenzy of the public (which, I agree, was extreme, back in the day, even more so than today.)
Exactly Suze.
I wasn’t talking about public expectations, but the internal palace/royal machinations.
Both Diana and Fergie grew up entangled with the royals, as work and play.
And they struggled with the reality of palace life behind the scenes.
Kate is also struggling and runs off back to Middleton Towers as often as possible despite spending 8yrs being royal adjacent.
Diana’s growing up around the royals was not like people imagine. It wasn’t the type of closeness that would have adequately prepared her for the royal life/trainwreck that was to be.
1. diana intermingled with the royals mostly on playdates at Sandringham during her childhood. This made her comfortable around the royals but what child is paying that much attention, much less picking up social cues?
2. diana’s home life was fraught with dysfunction and abuse. The Spencers were keen to keep this under wraps so not only did Diana have a lonely childhood but a sheltered one as well.
3. whem her parents’ bitter divorce went public the family was very embarassed. Worse, in the custody battle Diana’s maternal grandmother sided with her father and not her mother because Johnny Spencer was an earl. Diana and her siblings were going through hell, not learning about how the royals operate.
4. Diana was obsessed with Barbara Cartland romance novels and spent countless hours holed up in her room reading one after another. This is how she formed her understanding of love and romance, very unrealistically.
5. Diana’s age gap between herself and her sisters prevented her from really hanging out with them when they were popular socialites dating and mingling with aristocracy.
6. Diana was shy and didn’t party much even after moving into her own flat. She wasn’t moving in royal circles even though her sister briefly dated Charles in the 70s
7. When Charles and Di began to date she was still largely unfamiliar with what it would truly be like behind the scenes. Absolutely everyone had a reason for the wedding to take place and no one sat Diana down and gave her an honest assessment. Apparently she spent the days leading up to her wedding day in tears and being told it was typical bridal nervousness. Diana’s father was directly quoted saying that he wished he had not pushed her and that it was all a mistake.
Diana was aristocratic but lead such a sheltered, unhappy life that she ended up being wholly unprepared for royal life.
Got it. Today is my day to misunderstand people. I’m retiring to my bedchamber and will hopefully wake up smarter.
Dame, I think we are all agreeing. Observing royal life as an outsider, even a close outsider, doesn’t necessarily mean you can translate into full time royaldom successfully.
Diana grew up in proximity to the royals, but that didn’t help because *who* she was and her life experiences made her marriage and royal life impossible for her.
The same thing with Sarah, who was damaged emotionally in many ways.
And, although we don’t know much about Cressida, maybe there was something in her emotional/personal makeup that made Harry believe that long-term, she would not make a good partner in royal life. Or, maybe *she* realized that.
Say what you will about our sort of lazy Duchess Kate, she is determined to be a good partner for her husband and do what is required to be a good royal.
It’s hard to suss these things out ahead of time, but frankly, William did put Kate through her paces before he proposed. If Harry and/or Cress realized that a royal partnership wouldn’t work for them, more power to them for ending it now before it all became a real mess.
Suze
My response to you ended up God knows where lol. When you come across a seemingly random Di/Fergie post elsewhere you will know it belongs here!
LOL I found it and figured it out.
The site is making for an interesting day of conversation!
I agree with you. It is a shame that the Di/Fergie relationship was torpedoed. If ever two women needed each other, they were it.
What Suze said.
Dame: You under estimate the proximity and entanglement of the Spencers with the royals in general despite the upheavals of their family.
Diana was not social, but that doesn’t mean she was uncomfortable with the royals. Afterall she was comfortable enough to sit with Charles in a field as a 16yr old and offer support at the death of his uncle. Her reported conversation as she recalled it brought to mind someone who was very comfortable around the royals. Charles we all know makes everyone stand on ceremony at all times, so that conversation was very surprising.
That said, the point still stands that despite her levels of comfort, she was still unable to cope with the reality of the palace which is a different kettle of fish than a field.
LAK
I stated that Di *was* comfortable around the royals in my comment so we agree there. And I agree with the social gathering familiarity vs plates flying during fights at dinner familiarity. A different kettle of fish indeed.
Suze said: “Say what you will about our sort of lazy Duchess Kate, she is determined to be a good partner for her husband and do what is required to be a good royal.”
This got me thinking about Kate. Common opinion is that Kate has been an utter failure as the wife of a future heir. She’s lazy, awkward, doesn’t connect with people like Diana (who does?), and she’s a poor public speaker.
But, if you take into account the disaster of Diana and Charles, and the instability that followed, maybe Kate will be considered a success. She’s already produced the heir, is blindly loyal to William, pretty much keeps her mouth shut, has a family that is blindly loyal to William, and Charles seems protective of her.
Sure she often flashes us, has been photographed topless, and secretly smokes. Big deal. There’s no way she’s going to be caught cheating, caught by paps with another man sucking her toes, secretly provide info for a tell all biography, attempt to create distance between George and William, leave her husband, etc.
The bar is set incredibly low, but isn’t it a positive if the future POW and king is perceived to have a stable marriage and supportive spouse?
Frankly, I think her family went too overboard on the publicity and irked Clarence House.
I agree. I think her family has been “Middletoning” this from the beginning.
This one statement that sums Kate up is when she told Chelsy to let Harry cheat or ignore it because it comes with the territory!!! Frankly I think Kate was just determined to climb and she made herself into a complete doormat and put up with anything to get the prize.
Kate wanted it and needed it more because in some way she felt lacking. William cheated on her several times, she told Chelsy it comes with the territory to ignore it. Chelsy couldn’t ignore it and allegedly dumped Harry a few times over his cheating.
Kate was hardcore,calculating and determined and nothing was going to get in her way, NOT even the fact that PW dumped her to go chase others, Isabella or anyone who would have him..she just waited patiently until he got tired and returned. She’s a climber and wanted to climb at all costs. Some women just aren’t made that way.
But…I do hear that even Kate is having trouble at times within Royal life, behind the scenes.
The tour helped her know she was more capable and gave her more confidence according to some comments in the press supposedly made by some of her handlers on the tour.
I would think the Cambridges would be thrilled to have the attention off them on their anniversary.
Agreed. Probably to distract from the fact that William went out drinking with the lads rather than enduring a romantic night at home.
I have no facts to back this up, just musing.
Am I the only person who wants Chelsy Davy back?
It’s a constant recurring theme in Harry posts. You have lots of company.
Chelsy gave a comment to her friends that she would never go back to that life, she HATED being in the royal goldfish a bowl.
That said, some reports she might go to Memphis, for the wedding but no one seems to know for sure yet.
i wish people would stop with the “chelsy doesn’t want this life”. she and harry were together a long time. i do however believe they outgrew each other which is not uncommon for a first romance.
This! The fanfiction around Harry and Chels gets to be a bit much. It was what it was and sort of petered out. Now would I be ready for a Harry/Chels reunion? Gossip wise? Oh yes 🙂
It’s not fan fiction,read this weeks article on Chelsy, it’s a quote , she did not like that life.,
No, you aren’t. It won’t happen, but I still think she was a good fit for him personally. The life that goes along with him, not so much, but the two of them together looked really really happy.
With all due respect, Harry and Chelsy each got over it, moved on and I think we should too. let’s allow that relationship to die with dignity and rest in peace.
“Harry is the type who wants to take breathers. . . ” Remember those pictures from Las Vegas? I feel a “breather” coming on.
And that breather may be MEMPHIS. Oh boy. Graceland, here he comes!
Music fest is this weekend too. Lots of randy Southern Belles will be downtown this weekend.
I would love to see Harry in shades playing some blues, or doing his best Elvis imitation. Flirting with belles is an added bonus. Anything to spice up things.
I’ve been married for going on 16 years..and there’s no way I’d ever ever ever want Camilla, Charles or..actually the list is endless.. as inlaws. Every stinking holiday with the stodgy queen? Nope. No way. Thankyouverymuch.
This.
True indeed. Which is why I can now see why Kate was a good choice for William because she wants all of that. I can also understand why she stays close to her family and they to her. She needs that type of normalcy to stay grounded.
It works well with someone like Kate but for someone free spirited like Cressida, she would be like a butterfly trapped in a glass bottle.
It’s not just the people, but the kind of life it would entail being one of the royals — protocol, scrutiny, royal duties et. al. If Cressida is the type that wants to maintain a particular lifestyle, she has all the connections to make that happen — i.e. plenty of opportunities to settle down with a wealthy aristocrat and lead a charmed life without any of the b.s. that goes with being a royal.
Kate, you should have run for the hills when you had the chance back in 2007 and you could have snared yourself a wealthy man too – again, without all the royal cr@p.
Well my estimation of Cressy just increased a hundredfold. What sane rational woman would want the life and scrutiny of marrying one of our Princes?
Look at her predecessors. Diana was miserable, Sarah was pilloried, Catherine is dubbed a boring work shy clingon….
What’s left for Harry? A media hoor who will marry him for the title?
The palace “needy” response is typical of the bitchy arse covering that the men in grey suits excel in. Any sane, rational woman would be advised to run for the hills to escape these people. I’m sorry for Harry but run Cressy, run like the wind.
Harry has made a statement that he didn’t find her needy at all, if anything quite independent. The press won’t print that widely in order to feed the mean spirited press.
Yep. I agree.
And true to form, his rubuttal comment won’t get much media flame. The “needy” stigma will still be mentioned as the reason for their breakup whenever it is discussed.
Agreed. Harry never said that. It was most likely his fathers’ cringing apologists at KP. Masters of the woman-shade. Remember Fergies “vulgar vulgar vulgar” description by that asshat Charteris? Disrespecting royal exes is what gives them a hard on. Diana was a nutcase according to them. Personally, I believe that Harry got dumped and Charles unofficially green lit the needy comment for Cressy daring to ditch his boy.
Incidentally, despite the DM spin. Cress looks happy enough out and about today. Not too devastated about escaping the house of Saxe Coburg Gotha.
What is happening that everyone is going on “official” splits or engagements? At this pace, George will be officially breaking up his engagement by tomorrow because she was “too needy” 😉
How troubling and pressuring it must be that he really needs to make an official announcement?? Not much time to change their mind, or work on their problems i guess.
I would also like to see Chelsy back, but this girl also seemed really nice and something about her gave the idea that she was also not so interested in the royal mambo jambo. Maybe that’s what attracts Harry to his girls after all.
George stood up his last play date. She was a little too needy for him. He needs some breathing room.
LOL, Suze. I thought George stood up his last play date because she stole his toys on the one before that. 😉
Clooney probably doesn’t know where all Amal’s toys are yet.
I wondered if anyone would catch that – glad you did, Bluhare!
There were reports that Harry found Chelsy too needy too. Must be the Press or Palace pr people, go to line.
That was in the phone hacking trial and I thought reporters called her that because of the number of texts and calls on his phone. Which when added up over the month in question, wasn’t that much at all.
Exactly, the “Chelsy is too needy ” stories came out in that phone hacking trial and weren’t issued by Harry or his press office, nor were they dropped into the media ether by “friends”.
There were an interpretation of events that seemed off to most observers.
They said the Palace thinks Chelsy is too needy. She wouldn’t stop calling Harry, when he was training. The Palace said it, the reporters heard it on the phone tap.
They also said it got so bad Harry Turned his. Phone off to stop taking the calls.
Yes Chelsy was called needy.
Wrong spot again!
Chelsy was called needy, however, the sleuthing commenters here added up the phone calls and texts and deduced that she wasn’t any more needy than a lot of other women. MIght even be in that link you posted. Haven’t gone to look. That’s where my comment came from.
Thank you for agreeing . Like. I said Chelsy was called Needy too.
Some tried to change the fact that she was also called Needy. I pointed out she was and it was TRUE.
Why can’t Harry be with somebody who is accomished sort of like Amal is with George. He could be with someone who is serious that way it would help the Royal Family’s image. She would be comfortable hobnobbing with important people but wouldn’t embarrass him with laziness and partying,
Harry’s two ex girlfriends Cress and Chels are both very well educated ladies, both graduated from Leeds University in England with degrees they spent their late teens and early twenties getting higher educations at a distinguished University.
Amal would be too much of a political lightening rod for the British house. Defense of too many controversial people, the. alleged rapist and selling of military secret Julian Assange and others. Even though I adore Chelsy it’s been said her fathers Mugabe connections were hated and considered unsuitable by the powers that be and the Palace breathed a sigh of relief that ended.
I think he will find someone when the time is right for him and everything works together for both who he is dating and himself.
Besides Harry’s two ex girlfriends Cress and Chels are both very well educated ladies, both graduated from Leeds University in England with degrees they spent their late teens and early twenties getting their educations neither are uneducated.
It always cracks me up that Charles Davy’s connections were considered unsuitable, even though one of the paper’s investigations revealed that the reason why his land wasn’t confiscated was due to a number of his investors being Americans and Mugabe knowing that the American government would strike back if he started seizing their land and not because of Davy’s own connections, when Andrew has pictures at a place where an underage sex ring took place with his arms around one of the girls and was friends with a pedophile and sold his home for millions above market to a man with ties to the Kazakhstan dictatorship. And then there’s Uncle Gary’s cocaine and sex ring operation at Casa De Bang Bang and the Middleton porn or stripper cousin whose schtick is dressing up like Kate. And the Middletons buying their supplies for Party Pieces from operations that pay pennies and force their workers to buy the supplies before they assemble them. It just cracks me up that Charles Davy’s questionable connections were somehow the deal breaker given all that the BRF let into the family circle before without a thought. lol
I think privately the Palace may have been hoping William-would see the light and end it for good with the Middleton’s and Kate, when the UGary sting emerged , but William went the complete opposite and asked for support.
I personally believe the sting was a sponsored inside job meant to help
PW cut her loose, but he’s a bit dim .
William married Kate not Uncle Gary.
Francis: You may be onto something.
Harry gave an interview a month before the wedding in which he said the family didn’t think William would ever marry. He then rephrases to press perception or something, but he leaves the impression that the family really didn’t think Kate would join their ranks.
Doubt it. You’re talking about a guy who stubbornly values/guards his autonomy. He proposed to Kate in Africa privately and who knows when he made up his mind to do it. You can’t go by what the royals knew because William seemed to delight in making sure they were always the last to know everything. And if William had decided to marry Kate no amount of embarassing Uncle Gary royal stings would stop him. Surely Charles knew his son’s way of thinking better than that.
My cynical spider senses tell me the Africa proposal was as much of a contrived story for the purposes of PR as the whole George & Amal romance. (And not a coincidence in choosing jecca’s home turf.)
Cynical
That would speak to motive and you could be right, but I was speaking more to intent. Once William decides to do something he does it. He was never the type to keep family informed about or seek approval for his personal life. Therefore it is hard to extract anything meaningful from the RF’s not thinking he would or should propose to Kate.
His story, her story… And the truth is somewhere in between.
In my estimation, the Walking with the Wounded event was a turning point for them as a couple. Harry wanted a partner to co-host and probably expected Cressida would accept the invitation no question. As the co-hosting would be a change of pace from their normal relationship, Cressida probably wanted to have a discussion about what the change would mean for them. The fact she was a no show definitely should have raised eyebrows. The invite specified “wives and girlfriends” – and Cressy was supposedly on that list.
I don’t believe she was ever going to cohost. Too high profile a gig without her ever having been an official guest at any other royal outings. But you’re right – for her to be a complete no show was odd and a bit of a shocker. I think her family jumped the gun and planted the cohosting stories. Harry was like, um…no and walked it back a little. Either Cressy was relieved and decided to forego the event altogether or she was a little stung and boycotted.
Well the fun of gossip is we all see different things. It seems to me that they came to a crossroads in the relationship where they were either going to commit to a longterm plan or keep it casual and let things end.
At some point royal GF Cressida would be asked to cohost something to test the waters, to give her a sense of what the “job” side of Harry’s life is really like.
Personally, I do think she was either asked to cohost by Harry or it was suggested as a good practice round for “official” work by the palace courtiers. At the very least, she was invited to attend. I’m certain she was more than welcomed by Harry, because the language of the invitation was so specifically worded to include girlfriends. She flat out snubbed the invite to be officially recognized as GF. Kate would NEVER have snubbed that chance. Cressida either didn’t feel ready, or balked at the realization of what Harry’s “job” entails (fancy parties with tons of small talk amongst strangers watching your every move.)
If they do reunite, I think it would mean they are moving towards a more serious plan. When Kate and William reunited they came up with a long game strategy and executed it with commitment. William met all the expectations he set after their break and Kate was eased into royal life. However, Kate was much more willing to be eased into royal life. She wanted it. Their break was not mutual. In contrast, I think Cressida seems far more hesitant and I believe this break was mutual.
I hope Cressy would not have turned down the invitation knowing how much the veterans mean to Harry and the country. It will actually make me see her in a new light.
Mirror has reported Cressida is not going to the Pelly wedding this weekend. She’s different than Kate, because Kate Still would show up, to events during the breakup, attend events they were both invited to and basically shadow William even during the break up. 🙂
Some outlets said Cressida was invited as Harry’s plus one. So if they’re not together and she’s not his date there’d be no reason for her to go. She and Pelly never socialized or ran with the same group of core friends before she got with Prince Harry.
Actually no one has any real idea what the invitations actually say except the parties involved , neither do I, so I won’t pretend to.
But…Plus one never use to stop climber Kate, she still went to things during the breakup., because she was desperate.
It’s not a big deal for Cress to go if they are split, it makes more sense that she wouldn’t.
@Francis
I’m no Waity Katy fan, but in all fairness, Kate and William were in the same university circle of friends. Although she seems to have very few friends, Kate was probably invited to those events in her own right, as a member of the group, and not just as a plus one. Also, the official break between Will & Kate was actually very short, only a few months before they were back together.
Cressida’s closest friends are in the York girls age group. Are the Yorks invited?
Guy Pelly is a socialite, but he’s of Williams’s generation and group. Certainly, he knows Cressida, but I’m skeptical that he would send her a personal invitation just because he knows her. I do not think she would be invited without Harry.
I think the truth is probably somewhere in between. People magazine wouldn’t print the “too needy” quote and confirm a split from just some rando friend in the royal circles. The confirmation and wording came from KP IMO.
I think the “too needy” wording was too harsh and they quickly backtracked when it was being spun negatively against Prince Harry.
I don’t put a lot of stock into what the British press and paps like Niraj Tanna are spinning today because they were completely out of the loop and not expecting a break-up at all. They were blindsided by this. They’re now all spinning trying to save face and credibility after being outscooped by the palace and US media. Of course they’re going to spin it so that it was really Cressida’s doing and Harry just went along so that their months of stories about an engagement being right around the corner and Prince Harry is panting after and begging Cressida to marry him weren’t revealed to be falsehoods and the press jumping the gun because they’re desperate for another royal wedding. Just my cynical opinion.
Agreed.
PR Tool People Mag were 1st with this story.
So they must have been told something from someone.
Outscooped; the ‘nsiders’ of the DM, Telegraph, Ttaler have to stick with their favoured “Cressie is too independent, career minded” narrative, or it would make everything they’ve written all the while to be classified as BS
Yes to all of this. The Palace probably knew that a breakup was imminent so they attacked her first when it got out. It wasn’t until there was a backlash to that did they change their tune. Gotta protect the image of the monarchy after all.
And for this reason alone Cressida is better off without Harry.
Maybe the very long courtship between Princess Beatrice and Dave Clark (8 years) is a case of what the royals like. I think William and Kate were made to wait a long time, whatever the Kate haters say, because the royal family didn’t want a repeat of their parents problems after shortish courtships (both Charles and Di and Andrew and Fergie). Harry had been seeing Cressida less than 2 years – so it was no time at all really.
We have to remember that Charles runs the press out of KP now so can we be 100% sure that Harry didn’t approve of the release beforehand? The insensitivity of the needy angle could have forced him to personally walk it back a bit. Did Charles’ press overreach? If so then Harry was right to issue his own statement. But it begs the question – why was the KP press straining at the bit to go live with such a strongly positioned release? Have they already been over Cressy for awhile now? Is there any truth to the leak a few months ago that Charles didn’t think she was the right one?
I did read a post on another site that makes some sense. That Harry, unlike William “Mr. I’m gonna forge my own path,” is smart enough to know he’s not smart enough to clean up his own stuff and so he lets his dad and the courtiers clean up after him. So once he broke up with her, he let Prince Charles and KP take over and run the break-up story but the courtier who was tasked with leaking the story went too strong in his or her wording when giving a reason for the break-up. And now it’s being walked back somewhat.
Charles doesn’t run the press out of KP. Never has and never will. He is CH. Always has been. When he consolidated press offices, operations were moved to BP.
For many years now, Charles has taken his mother’s rule of silence to heart unlike the war of the wales era. That means fewer direct palace statements and many ‘no comments’ if they must.
William’s press office was at KP before the consolidation. Harry was flitting between SJP, CH and BP though his office remains at SJP.
Charles has become the easy scapegoat for many people, but based upon the offices that release the statements, it often isn’t him.
Pleaseicu
Sounds viable to me. It would explain the initial bitchy statement and Harry’s haste to set the record straight. Good for him. But this does speak to the overall tone of Charles’ press office – misogynistic and oversensitive and more than a little tone deaf. Remember those stories about sausage curls being more important than philanthropic issues and Charles was going to change the conversation? Not a word mentioned about lazy William’s third gap year!
I think fragile Charles is still fighting Diana’s ghost in many ways. when the royal girlfriends are handled this way it makes me wonder.
It was announced in January that the press offices would be subsumed by Charles’ team.did they not go through with it after the announcement? It was even announced here on CB.
They did, but not before KP put out statements about Kate’s work plans for 2014.
BP operates radio silence unless they absolutely have to. They don’t respond to day-to-day press, whether it is good or bad press and they certainly don’t comment on the royals’ private lives unless it is absolutely necessary. And if you notice, there has been radio silence for awhile now.
KP’s modus operandi was to release a statement or leak/plant a story about WK every few weeks, but all that had stopped once Charles took over. It was really noticeable because WK started to get bad press which KP would have countered and whitewashed, but Charles simply ignored.
I was very surprised KP released a statement re: pap pics of WKG in Australia, and now a statement on HC.
things that make you go ummmmm……..
Ah ha! Do you think, as some of us do, that it was really gallant of Harry to set the record straight about Cressy being needy? Yet another thing to make him his mother’s son imo.
I don’t know about LAK, but I do, Snarky.
Anyone remember Goofus and Gallant? That was a cute sunday morning read.
I’ve ofte thought William and Harry are ripped from the pages.
Dame: I do.
Ps: another point of difference between the 2 brothers.
Harry always publicly defended Chelsy and he is defending Cressida.
William never publicly defended Kate until he decided to marry her. Who can forget that ‘she’s important to me NOW’ at the engagement press conference.
Lol that was William’s version of Charles’ “yes, whatever that means” when asked if he was in love with his new bride. Harry may not be in the ballpark yet when it comes to finding his better half but he gives me hope that he will find the *right* one and he will be a new breed of Windsor hubby. Fingers crossed.
The pattern seems to be date a few years split, then get back together. Not sure how this one will play out though, I think like Chelsy , Cressida hated the royal goldfish bowl.
If she couldn’t handle the glowing, fawning press articles about her and the paps catching her a few times from across the street, nothing like what Chelsy or Kate received by way of pap treatment, then it’s right that she cut ties now and I respect her for know that because she’d never be able to hack it once married in and the inevitable good princess/bad princess articles started up with Kate, as wife of the heir, as the good princess.
Yawn.
I’ve almost said “Yawn” to some comments in the past, but never did because it’s just so rude.
Hello Pleaseicu
From everything I’ve read , which isn’t a lot, about Cressida, she comes across as quite young for 25. Not being snarky here, but when I read one of her favorite remarks, if embarrassed, is, “Cringe de la cringe”, then yes, she seems extremely immature. At least in her manner of speaking.
I’ve read some other items that have made me see her as a teenager, emotionally. Probably a protected, pampered, charming girl, with “girl” being the operative word.
Perhaps she’s quite fun, sweet and obviously lovely, but Harry realized he wants a bit more.
As if Harry is Mr. Mature! 😉 However, it seems he’s more worldly and may enjoy her company, just not as his wife.
Cringe de la cringe….. lol.
So…how ’bout Harry and Pippa have a go now? There was definitely some chemistry at Will and Kate’s wedding 😉
Oh dear God! what chemistry? She looks like she could be his aunt.
And why do people hate Cressy? I don’t like or dislike her, she seems way more human than Kate ever did. Davy seems like an awesome girl, with that big smile, but like Cressy, she is just too normal for the twisted royals.
BTW, Cressy’s sister had a fling with William, didn’t she? Why would Waity help Cressida?
Isabella and William never had a fling. He fancied her once and she was not interested. I hope no one hates Cressy. She’s hurt no one and seems harmless.
Oh please.
I said a long time ago that it took me a while to believe they were actually dating. They never really gave off a “couply” vibe. They have that connection, that “thing” (hell even W&K have it sometimes) so I’m not surprised. Good luck to them both.
I’m with everybody else about that “needy” tag is BS. She didn’t ever come off as needy, EVER.
Oh look, Harry’s free to meet some cute southern girls this weekend. *snort*
Doubt Harry would slam her since they literally hang with the same folks and she’s best friends with Beatrice and Eugenie. They were probably never serious, regardless of the media’s attempt to marry him off. There is no rush for either of them to marry. I don’t want Harry pressured to marry and we get Kate 2.0.
Hmmm….could be her way of getting the ring on her finger it worked for waity Katie didn’t it? Split with him look as though your having more fun without him than with him but of course make sure he sees you do so …then what do you know suddenly your an princess . Its not as if she is qualified to do much else is it?
Not bad thinking, except William broke up with Kate. But maybe Cressida’s got some game after all!
Pretty girl but for heaven’s sake fix those crooked brown teeth!!
I’m guessing ol’ Harry is a handful.
I’m sorry but did I just stumble into some weird nostalgia program where people forget the past? When did Chelsy became so beloved? She was HATED by many people and the press. She was considered too ugly and trashy to be a princess. And her family was considered too shady, even if the rumors weren’t true. If Chelsy and Harry were dating in this age of social media she would be ripped to shreds.
I just don’t get why people are trying to rewrite history here. And at this point, I imagine Harry will marry someone prim, proper who wants the job and everyone will find her boring.
Exactly this.
The reinvention of Chelsy is a thing to behold.
I’m waiting for Cressida to become the perfect fairy princess in retrospect.
Thank you for the reality check.
Well you know, hindsight is 20/20 and all that. Or the grass is greener..? One of those.
I am also waiting for someone to pull the plug on the ‘Chelsy reinvention’ as Suze calls it.
I have my hand raised, even though you can’t see it
PREACH!
Chelsy was hated, By the press and by the many of the commentary sites.
Just go back and pull up any old comments , Chelsy was royal discussion Roadkill.
She was called every name in the book.
She was treated so badly by the press and called so many things in public commentary, that Harry gave a public statement to the press during an interview he was giving ,saying something like Chelsys not bad, she’s not what people think!
Well it’s good to know I haven’t lost my mind and other people remembered the Chelsy hate as well. And even though Cressida didn’t get that hate in the press compared to Chelsy, she would’ve eventually. And she’s already hated on social media.(Tumblr is a cesspool for CressyHate)
So I wish Cressida luck with her life and I hope she’ll be happy.
Other than I don’t think anyone is good enough for Harry I always liked Chelsy. I always thought she fit him well. Of the two of them (Chelsy, Cressida), I much prefer her over Cressida. That being said, I haven’t seen much of Cressida; perhaps she’s not as meek as she appeared.
Harry has an important tour coming up and I wonder if that had anything to do with the timing of the break up.maybe he didn’t want to field a lot of marriage questions while abroad or have the media following Cressy around in his absence.
I don’t think they’ll get back together.
I really do think Cressida realised it wasn’t the life she wanted, and decided to call it quits before it went any further.
I don’t think the split is a ploy for her to get a proposal– if she wanted one, she was already in a relationship with him anyway, she could’ve just stuck it out and he would’ve proposed eventually, if no one else was around.
Hopefully Harry finds a woman who wants this life enough to be hardworking and a great partner for him. I do wish him all the best.
I think the breakup is real and Cressida doesn’t want the life and neither does Chelsy for that matter.
Was the relationship ever confirmed? Could it be they were just friends all along?
The palace never officially confirmed them as an item, no. But supposedly they’ve passed a confirmation of their split.. Not sure how much I believe that though.
I always wondered if it was just purely sexual between them…
I never liked her. She seemed like a long term fling to me. Chelsy I liked, but that ship has sailed fan fic people! Moving on to Harry’s new gal..Let’s hope he picks better over Cressie.
I think the breakup is real and Cressida doesn’t want the life and neither does Chelsy for that matter. Cressida was fine and so was Chelsy but the life is not for them.
If Harry’s next lady is Blonde, aristo and attractive, she can be a rocket science and the haters will still hate, because he likes Blondes or likes Aristos or likes blonde women connected to his circle.
Harry likes blondes and he dates around his aristo circle generally, so if people are expecting something different than blonde and someone connected to his circle, who has a degree from one of the established Universities in England, forget it. Get the complaint pens out now.
Harry will eventually find someone who fits his type, who can handle the life . He can take his time.
I agree, but I don’t think being “blonde” is a requirement. Guarantee if he finds someone that ticks all the right boxes but is a brunette, he isn’t going to chuck that away, just because they don’t have the right hair colour.
I do think that maybe if he wasn’t going for the same type every time, he’d have better luck in finding a bride.
He needs to be more open-minded, because Lord knows, Chelsy and Cressida probably didn’t have “gingers” at the top of *their* lists.
Good points , maybe.
Prince Charles was another who seemed to usually date blonde or blondish ladies and married two.
Chelsy dumped Harry every time his naughty escapades were splashed across the tabloids in addition to feeling like she was always low on his priority list. It had absolutely nothing to do with her not wanting the royal life.
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The reports on the previous girlfriend Chelsy being too needy.
This seems to be a theme with Harry.
Chelsy Davy was Too Needy for Prince Harry………..
……….”the royal family was concerned that she was “incredibly needy” and her contact would distract him from his studies. In an email read out to the jury in the phone-hacking trial, Goodman, who was convicted of hacking-related charges in 2007, told his boss he was having an “independent look” at Davy’s phone activity.
The full email “on progress so far” on “Harry and Chelsy story” read: “Good off-the-record chat with [redacted] last night. Chelsy is driving Harry nuts, won’t leave Harry alone. He’s not allowed to use his mobile at Sandhurst until he’s off duty but she’s blitzing him with dozens of calls and texts when he should be concentrating on his training. Family likes her well enough but they’re worried that she’s incredibly needy just at the time when Harry needs to be concentrating on himself.”
http://www.celebitchy.com/339202/chelsy_davy_was_too_needy_for_prince_harry_she_blitzed_him_with_calls_texts/
Oh guess what, there are more details out on the break up
I’m laughing so hard.
P.s. Friends say they may get back together. The fight was over an airplane ticket and a trouble relationship. Cress said she didn’t want to pay close to 700$ Actually 650 for a ticket to,fly with him , if the relationship,was,doomed, they had words, a big fight, She confronted big Red ‘ Prince Harry over their future and it resulted in a bust up.
telegraph source ……article below.
The couple had been due to fly to America together to attend the wedding of the Prince’s friend Guy Pelly on Saturday, but Miss Bonas had to pay for her own £650 air fare and did not want to spend so much money if their troubled relationship was doomed. She chose to grasp the nettle and confront the Prince over their future, which resulted in a “bit of a bust-up” and the decision to go their separate ways.
Friends suggested that the pair “might both regret it” and could get back together at a later date. However, Miss Bonas, 25, was said to have been unhappy for some time, partly because of the strain of being in the public eye and partly because the dance graduate was feeling “frustrated and unfulfilled” at her inability to pursue a career on the stage while dating the Prince.
Telegraph
Well shrieking at each other over the price of an airline ticket and what it all means for the relationship is certainly more entertaining than just coming to a parting of ways.
I guess we’ll never know what happened, but for gossip purposes I prefer this version.
I wonder how long Harry’s defense is going to last now that Cressidas camp has started talking to multiple press outlets and they’re throwing Harry under the bus and are now bringing Chelsy into it and blaming her as well.
You mean like this one?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2617385/Rows-best-friends-wedding-shadow-Chelsy-Cressie-Harry-really-split.html
At this point, there is probably no women alive would could survive the mass public scrutiny of marrying Harry. They will either be too smart, too ugly, too dumb and too glamorous or have too many dodgy relatives.
They’re done. After Chelsy Davy, Cressy is too vanilla, a single-minded, boring little dance doll, on paper, the perfect royal wife, except that she doesn’t seem interested in that life, so away she goes. He’ll find a nice girl he like who likes him who can handle the secondary spotlight associated with the “spare”
On to the next blonde , aristo , or lady from his circle, Briitish University educated lady but someone who can handle the spotlight and handle royal life and handle Harry.
So get the claws out now
Why do some think Chelsy would be smart to take back a guy who allegedly cheated on her several times? Despite the chemistry it wasn’t enough to stop Harry from looking elsewhere.
Even if the toe happened to hookup for a bit again, the same old problems would arise. She dislikes royal circus and he cheated. That won’t change. She’s not Kate, she was not willing to look the other way and be his doormat, while he had hook ups.
Chelsy blurted out in a public bar once to Dean Piper after one of their numerous breakups, that she dumped Harry for cheating on her. I think she’d be crazy to go back.
If Harry cheated on Chelsy,something was missing.
Time for some to take off the rose colored glasses.