BABY TIMBS. Love it!!! Here are some photos of Kim Kardashian and North West at LAX yesterday. Kim wore a big pimp coat, perhaps borrowed from this photoshoot? Nori’s hair is getting long, isn’t it? And thankfully, it doesn’t look like Kim is still using tons of product in Nori’s hair, although I suspect there is still SOME product in there. And all I see is Kanye when I look at North’s face. She got her mom’s coloring and her dad’s face. It’s a pretty adorable combo.
Speaking of babies, did you hear that Kim’s ex-boyfriend Reggie Bush made some recent comments about the Adrian Peterson arrest? Reggie has a one-year-old daughter with his wife Lilit Avagyan, and when asked about Adrian Peterson’s arrest for child abuse (Peterson used a tree branch to repeatedly whip his young son), Reggie defended Peterson. Bush said: “I have a 1-year-old daughter, and I discipline her. I definitely will try to — will obviously not leave bruises or anything like that on her. But I definitely will discipline her harshly depending on what the situation is.” Well, Radar picked up on that and they’re making it all about Kimye:
Kim Kardashian‘s ex-boyfriend, Reggie Bush, has come under heavy criticism after revealing he would “harshly” discipline his one-year-old daughter, but the reality starlet is taking a much different approach to parenting North West, with hubby Kanye West.
“Kim and Kanye decided before North was born there would be no spanking, ever,” an insider told Radar. “It’s not how they want to raise their daughter. As North gets older, and when she acts up, there will be time outs, taking away a favorite toy, but absolutely no physical discipline. Kim’s older sister Kourtney doesn’t spank her kids, and they are very well behaved. North will be given clear boundaries that a child needs, and there will be consequences that won’t involve any hitting or spanking. It’s all about rewarding the positive behavior, and dealing with the naughty tantrums with patience and love,” the insider continued.
The source said that despite Kanye’s tough demeanor, when it comes to North, “she has her daddy wrapped around her little finger. It’s very clear that Kim will have to be the disciplinarian when North gets older. There is no way Kanye would ever be able to hand down a punishment on North because when it comes to her, she can do no wrong. She is such a daddy’s girl. It’s adorable to see them together.”
Sure. I actually believe this. I believe that Kanye has no interest in spanking or using a “switch” on his daughter or any future children. I believe that Kim is probably influenced by Kourtney’s modern parenting too, and that if Kourtney recommends a style of time-outs and non-violent punishments, Kim will probably try that. And when else fails, Kanye will probably just rant at Nori for several hours and that should stop any and all disciplinary problems forever. Anything to stop Daddy’s crazy rants!!
Photos courtesy of WENN, Fame/Flynet.
I’d rather get spanked than listen to Kanye!
Lol, I’d rather get spanked then have the name North West!
I love spankings 🙊
Me too! Hides under a rock.
Personally the only ones who should be spanked are Kim and Kayne!!
I don’t understand why this is even a story? Is their lives so boring and uneventful that this is the best they could do? North is always pushing away from Kim. What a trashy, despicable excuse for a mom and human being.
I’ve noticed that. Does she even know that is her mother?
Exactly – STOP THE PRESSES, West & Kartrashian are making an unsolicited and obvious pronouncement!
As if either of them spend enough time with that kid to discipline her in ANY manner. I can see them maybe mentioning to the nannies not to spank her, but that’s it. If she’s not a photo op prop, she’s invisible.
This is something that always puzzles me, this little girl is always pushing away from Kim. Is it because there are paparazzi and already North wants her 5 minutes of fame at age 1. Or it could be that she sees someone walking ahead of Kim (the nanny) and she’s looking at her? Because little kids when accosted by something they don’t like will hold onto to mommy not push away from her. Disturbing.
So true. Also I have never, ever seen her smiling. Ever!
There are so many pics where Nori holds on to her mother, there are just never posted here..oh yeah – its celebitchy!
I generally am not one to defend Kim Kardashian, but I know children that age who don’t even go to daycare who bend like that when they’re held. They’re not attached to someone other than a parent. They’re just curious about the world.
To me, the only thing this picture says about North is that she’s very used to being around paparazzi, which I think we all could have predicted.
She pushes away because her mother is becoming an octomom twin! She’s afraid of those giant lips!
WTF at Reggie Bush’s comment though? Why would you want to “harshly” discipline your child anyway? What happened to timeouts and just being firm? God, people really scare me with their logic sometimes, his child is a one year old, what could she possibly do to warrant harsh punishment?
I’m with Kimye on this one, I’m not going to lay a finger on my kids, there’s a better and less harmful way of getting a message across to them. I don’t want my child to associate me with violence and pain.
I was a kid who was spanked. But the spanks were always open palm taps on the butt. Not repeated hits, not hard hits, no objects used. They only happened on rare occasions, and timeouts were the main form of punishment. I don’t hold it against my parents at all, likely because it was a rare occasion, and never overboard.
In light of the Peterson stuff though, I’m so wary of the whole spanking thing. But at the same time, what these people are doing isn’t ‘spanking’. It’s just out and out abuse.
I was spanked on occasion too but I truly believe that we should all aim to be better parents to our kids than our parents were to us. My parents had a lot of wisdom in the way they parented me and my sibs but they also made a lot of mistakes that as an adult, I’m able to clearly identify now. But I agree with you, I too am very wary of spanking and I’m just not going to do it. I really don’t think it’s an effective way of disciplining kids and a lot of the time, it does more harm than good imo.
I was spanked as well, though it was only if we did something really heinous. I was never beaten or hit with a belt, or even hit to the point that it left a mark, but I still don’t think that it’s the right way to go as far as disciplining a child goes.
I know that “things were different” back then but that doesn’t mean it was the right thing to do, either. I don’t mean to say that my parents were wrong, but times have changed and I do wish that this generation of parents would think twice before raising a hand to their children.
I don’t believe spanking is ever ok. It does not induce respect, only fear and anger. It merely perpetuates violence. If you get into an argument with or another adult disrespects you, if you hit them then that’s assault. Why is it any different with children? Why would you do that to someone you love?
I especially abhor parents who hit their children in response to them hitting other people. “We don’t hit!” Whilst simultaneously smacking their child. Can they not see the contradiction? Though I suppose if they were smart enough to catch that they wouldn’t be disciplining their child with violence to start with.
I respectfully disagree. I was spanked as a child; not often, because I was a pretty good kid, and spanking was unpleasant. I disagree that physical punishment induces fear and anger. My parents demanded respect from us, and we did respect them. They were consistent in how they handled difficult situations and our misbehavior, and they always presented a united front. I firmly believe that physical discipline and child abuse are two different things. I’m sure I’ll get blasted for this response, but I don’t see anything wrong with spanking.
SIGHS((S))- I strongly disagree with you there. Beating your kid only induces fear. I was spanked as a kid and I have a great relationship with my parents and always have. I fully intend on spanking my kids because I know that it works as I NEVER repeated what I did to be spanked in the first place. I was only spanked occasionally (probably five times in ny life) and only was when I did something that was clearly wrong. I was tapped once on the butt and that was it, it never left a mark and never really hurt, it just got the point across. Spanking isn’t meant to hurt and if it does, you’re doing it wrong.
Other kitty: let me ask you, do you ever think that adults should be punished with physical punishment? If you screw up at work, is it alright if your boss hits you? If someone disrespects you at the grocery store, is it ok if you slap them? I’m going to assume that you wouldn’t agree to that. Although maybe I shouldn’t assume, maybe you think that would be ok. But if it isn’t, then why would we teach children that it’s ok, merely because they’re children, and especially when we’re trying to teach them about social structure while they’re still learning? If we aren’t allowed to do that as adults, then why would we model that for our children?
I wouldn’t mind if my boss spanked me (that wasn’t the question, was it?)
But in all seriousness, at a certain age you already know right from wrong and know what’s acceptable. As children, we don’t know anything and it’s up to our parents to teach us. Some kids are really hard (my oldest nephew is terrible) and times outs, taking things away etc. don’t work with him. He very rarely gets spanked but when he does he admits he won’t do it again because he didn’t like that. He worships his mom like no other, so I disagree with it inducing fear. I was spanked as a kid and I love my parents so much, and respect them so much. Different strokes for different folks. There is a line between abuse and discipline, and Reggie borders on abusive.
@Other Kitty Do you think that it is the only way to teach children how to behave? It is not like children that were not spanked are always disrespectful. I was never punished physically or any other way in my whole life. And I have an amazing relationship with my father. I have never disrespected him ( aside from some stupid teenage melt-downs) or my mother when she was alive.
Yes, they are still learning, dani, which is why we need to model appropriate behavior, which does not include physical violence. If you do your math homework wrong, should we hit you? So that you’ll learn to do it the right way next time?
And when your nephew says that he won’t do that again because he “didn’t like that”‘ he’s basically saying he won’t do it because he’s AFRAID he’ll get hit again. That is fear.
I’m not taking a dig at you or your family, I’m just very passionate about non violent punishment. I was spanked as a child. Rarely, but harshly. To this day, I don’t remember one reason why I was ever hit. I don’t remember the “lesson” but I sure as hell remember the pain and humiliation. And I would never do that to my child. Ever. There’s no reason. There is always a better way, and with some kids you just have to work to find their button.
Sigh – we never got spanked for doing our math homework wrong. I could count on one had the amount of times I was spanked (and for good reason, one of them being stealing) and I think they’re very deserved. It wasn’t a go to option for my sister or my parents but after so many attempts at time outs when your kids laugh in your face, you have no other choice. My nephew very rarely gets spanked, and I’m a no-violence type of person too, just because I’m very lax and I’ll let my daughter get away with anything, but on the off chance that he does, there’s good reason. He’s not afraid he’ll get hit again, he even mocks his parents and tells them spank my tushy. But he’s 8 and was never spanked until he was 5, so I don’t see the fear. I’m not taking anything you said personally – there are times where spanking is humiliating (for little things, like making a mess etc.) but spanking a child over 5 for discipline is hardly comparable to harshly disciplining a one year old, which, I will NEVER agree to.
other kitty: respect is not something demanded. and if it is demanded, then what is being returned is not respect but fear. end of story. respect is earned through demonstrating respect.
I was spanked too, but I will never spank my kids. Corporal punishment is tied to lower IQ. That’s it, that’s reality. It doesn’t matter how you “feel” about it, or what your rationale is. You’re either OK with making your child less intelligent or you’re not. It’s not judgment, it’s fact. Look at the studies.
Spanking is wrong, in my opinion. You’re using violence to make someone do what you want. And how is that a good model for anyone? One day, as they grow up, someone else will probably try it – I want my kids to know a raised hand to them or from them is never okay. Not a friend, not a SO. Nobody. Someone who thinks they can hit you to make you do what they want is not someone you should be around… and how can you teach your kids that essential lesson, if you’re hitting them yourself? You can’t. You are teaching them that love can be found in the same package.
Kids learn by imitation and if you reason and appeal to their better instincts, they learn to do the same with others, and to be reasonable and decent themselves. And that’s the other thing… I was smacked as a kid, and I well remember the distress and pain and humilation. What I don’t recall was reflecting on what I’d done, and why it wasn’t okay. You can teach obedience via smacking, definitely, because the kid will try to make you happy and avoid the smacks, but you can’t teach morals or self-regulation, because that isn’t what motivates them to do as you want. And if you’re thinking about the sort of adult you want to produce, then surely someone with a clear moral code, who won’t be cowed and who thinks for themselves, and who is never violent and never sees violence towards them as okay, is the goal?
I think some parents are so focused on producing a kid who reflects well on them in public that they forget they’re actually trying to raise a functional and happy adult, who contributes positively to the world.
K, I totally agree w/you. I was often slapped in the face, hard. Had my hair pulled, beat w/a belt & I was a good kid! I think parents that hit are selfish in releasing their own anger on the child. The better way is to get down in the child’s level, face to face, and explain what the child did was wrong & get them to think about what they had done.
As a result, my first marriage was to a man who became abusive, slapping face, pulling hair, screaming- it took years before I realized this was abnormal while talking to other women in the workplace! Violence begets violence, & the subsequent humiliation begets low self esteem.
“harshly” disciplining a One-year old would be laughable… If he wasn’t SERIOUS. What a loser.
I don’t think he meant at the one year old stage..?? Maybe he meant later, as she gets older …?? IDK.. I’m not making excuses or taking his side, just trying to reasonable understand what he COULD have meant because harshly disciplining a one year old seems very VERY wrong. Not saying that a harsh spank with a damn switch is OK at any age. I certainly don’t and never would discipline my kids that way. I have an 18 month old and I don’t think he could even wrap his little baby brain around a harsh punishment for something, ya know?
Discipline is one thing. Abuse is another. There isn’t a fine line.
Remember who is speaking here. This guy is super duper dumb.
Trillion, and the dumb people are the ones who abuse their children under the guise of “discipline.” Abuse is not discipline, and there’s nothing a one year old could do to need disciplining at all, imo.
Some people think that hitting a child teaches them respect. I disagree. I think it teaches a child that when you are not in control, you can hit until you gain it. I think Reggie needs to be educated. I guess Kim doesn’t miss him much.
I can’t imagine Kanye hitting a child. I can imagine him ranting at her. All of Kimye’s children will walk the line, or daddy will have a talkin to you. LOL.
Finally, I think North has Kanye’s eyes. But only time will tell if she has Kim’s original nose.
TOTALLY agree. I’ve known friends that grew up being sparked severely, all it did was make them want to rebel more against their parents and it really hindered communication between them and their parents. It’s just not effective imo.
And haha yes, Kanye will rant at his kids to death lol.
And imo, North looks like pre surgery Kim but she has a lot of her dad in her too. She’s ridiclously cute.
@denisemich: Isn’t it interesting how these people confuse fear and respect? The two are mutually exclusive! Nobody respects their abuser, and rightfully so.
denise and sauvage: + a billion.
it took me almost 12 years to get my husband to see this concept the way i do. he was raised with the belief that fear IS respect.
I completely disagree. I have two children 3 & 5. I spank occasionally, and I am always in control and emotionally detached when I discipline my children. I have never yelled or spanked out of anger, and I have some of the most respectful and well behaved children. I don’t think it matters if you spank or not, but children need a bit of a shock when they do something wrong. That way it is a memorable correction.
When I was little my mother always told me you shouldn’t hit you should use words. When I was about 8 I actually got a spanking . According to my mother, I said to her ” I thought you shouldn’t hit, I thought you should use words.. Do you feel good hitting someone smaller than you?”
Yes, I had a mouth. The point of the story is that adults give children contradictory messages when they spank or hit. In my opinion, by doing that the adult loses the child’s respect but reinforces the feeling that the child doesn’t have power.
How do you really explain to a child it is wrong to hit a pet, another child but it is not wrong for an adult to hit you? Why???
This will always be an argument that goes nowhere. The parents that say they believe spanking is fine, say that to justify their spanking. Just like parents who only use time outs will not acknowledge their failure if their child is out of control. It drives me crazy because the dialogue goes nowhere when everyone is so defensive.
I’m also tired of – it happened to me and I turned out just fine. There are crack babies who “turn out fine”, yet would we encourage a pregnant woman to use crack? Then there’s piercing a babies ears because she “won’t remember it”. It’s human nature to justify our actions. If a mother doesn’t want to breastfeed, she will say there’s absolutely no advantage to it, even though that’s not true. I see more and more talk of a certain amount of alcohol being acceptable when you’re pregnant. I think that’s a dangerous road to travel.
I was raised by Southern parents who came from large families and were spanked. I was an only child, and a timid little girl. My parents did the best they could at that time, but when spanking was acceptable to them, it became an option. My mom tells the story that I once cried endlessly when I was a baby and out of frustration, my dad finally spanked me. The next morning she found that my pajama footy had been cutting into foot. They felt terrible. They weren’t bad people, they were people who believed spanking was just fine.
My mom was the disciplinarian. When she was a child, she would run from her spanking and her mother and older sister would chase her down. Because of this, my mom would say, “Don’t run from me. I’m bigger and stronger and I will catch you”. I remember my spankings vividly. Typically I had acted out in a store, and upon coming home, I would know I had to pick out the belt. My favorite belt was a thin plastic one, but I was afraid that if my mom knew that, she wouldn’t use it. I wasn’t spanked frequently, so the belt was always in the middle on the belt hangar. I would take off running once we drove into the garage so I could rifle through those belts and get the one that didn’t really hurt much. My mom was always calm. I would lean over the bench at the end of their bed, and she would use the belt over my clothes. It wasn’t the pain as much as the humiliation. Afterwards, my mom would explain that she loved me and she was sorry. I remember vividly thinking – if you’re sorry, why did you do it? Anyway, people who advocate spanking would probably approve my mom’s method. The way I was disciplined was much gentler and calmer than what my parents experienced, which shows they were loving and involved parents. But when spanking is an option on the table, it’s too easy to use because it’s quicker than a time out, and no matter what anyone says, there is an amount of frustration a parent relieves by spanking.
For what it’s worth, my mom regrets spanking and no longer advocates it.
sauvage say what you will about your thoughts on spanking but come on, abusers?! My parents weren’t abusive and a lot of commenters on here feel the same way. You want people on your side maybe stop using such inflammatory language.
I’m sorry if I offended you, Ange. And, yes, indeed, I consider physically harming (hurting!) someone half your size and strength, someone who is completely dependent on you, abuse. Obviously, you don’t agree with me and you have the right not to. This is how I see it.
I’ll repeat what I wrote below:
What enrages me on this thread isn’t the people who are against spanking, they can parent how they choose, it’s those same people trying to tell me that my parents were abusers or that I could never respect them or they were virtually wild animals with no self control. My parents were great parents and I had a perfectly normal childhood. They need to stop trying to frame the discussion so it suits their needs and actually listen. Somewhat ironically since they are all about respect it’s incredibly disrespectful.
And leave it there.
Seriously. A 1 year old is barely talking (and prob just learned to walk) What could she be doing? Crying? Spilling food? She’s a one year old baby-that’s what they do.
I would really love for him to address this point. It boggles the mind.
THIS
EXACTLY!
Agreed, I don’t understand the logic there at all, she’s 1 for crying out loud.
I spanked my eldest once, when he was 4. His friend showed him how to open the child proof windows in his bedroom and they were both leaning out of the window. The boys mother was too busy texting to pay attention and I was in the kitchen making lunch for the kids. The playmates mother just laughed and said her son had fallen through the window screen onto the porch when he opened the window before. My son got a spanking for his participation in a dangerous situation. The spanking came with an explanation of the dangers that come with leaning out of an open window. It’s been 2 years and it’s never happened again; but guess who broke his arm falling out of a window, again 😕
And for the record @sign. My son still remembers why he was spanked 2 years ago. It certainly made him remember that leaning out of open windows is dangerous. Ask him why he got a time out that morning and he couldn’t tell you.
in all seriousness: HOW did spanking him make him learn that leaning out an open window is dangerous? it made him learn that when his mom is scared she is going to hit him. watching the other kid break his arm, now THAT likely demonstrated the danger of learning out windows. i am not being sarcastic or bithcy, i honestl want to know how on earth you hitting him made him perceive OR remember the danger of leaning out a window vs. the danger of pain at mom’s hand for leaning out a window.
Mort – I had my hands slapped once when I tried to grab at a hot wood stove. When I say slapped, I mean tapped in an abrupt way. Not slapped in a way that you’d picture someone slapping someone across the face. I stopped reaching for the stove, and didn’t even up with a terrible burn. Lesson learned.
K– that’s my question too. And as for the correlation… Don’t do that, it’s dangerous and you’ll hurt yourself. So to reinforce that lesson…I’m going to hurt you?
I have grabbed my child’s arm forcefully to pull him back from running out in the road, but I fail to see how purposefully hurting him is going to teach him a lesson in not getting hurt. I get a tap on the hands or a push out of the way near a hot stove. I don’t understand actively spanking for any reason.
K, what it did was leave an impression on him, no pun intended, that a simple time out wouldn’t. In a serious situation like the one mentioned here, you need something that leaves the child without a single doubt that this is not something you do again. Spank a kid for every single little thing and you can’t do that. Use it sparingly and even a 4 or 5 year understands that this incident is different and needs to be understood that way. I’m 49 years old and was spanked three times as a kid; I still remember what I did on each occasion that warranted it and they were all incidents where I could have been severely hurt or could have hurt somebody else.
Constant spanking, or spanking that actually injures, is not discipline, it’s mom or dad being pissed off. A calm and responsible parent can use spanking selectively to make a point.
My mum bit my brother once because he was constantly biting my other brother and other kids. Once he realised how it felt he never did it again. It was the only way he learned that particular lesson.
This thread has sparked some really great conversation on both sides of the corporal punishment fence. I’ll give my two cents from experience. As a child, I was “spanked” frequently… The “country way” which means with dad’s leather belt. The result was absolute terror and panic, I can still feel that tightness in my chest at the memory. I grew to completely fear my father, to the point of avoidance of nearly all direct interaction. I’ve realized that as an adult, that experience has translated into over reacting any time I feel physically out of control the situation, even uncomfortable with someone standing too close during a mild disagreement (doesn’t mean I go around hitting people, just panic easily. My husband and I have had to deal with this in our relationship) I’ve been able to recognize that as well as the cause and work to overcoming it, but I can clearly attribute some issues I have to the punishments I received as a child. And for that reason, I will never be able to spank my child in any way. My experience was clearly different than the open palm butt pats most sane parents would deliver, but I think it’s way too easy to go overboard.
You make a good point about the murkiness of that line. The thought of hitting a child with a belt and instilling terror makes me sick; I’m so sorry that happened to you. The only time I spanked (a quick swat on the hand or diapered butt) was in situations where I was repeatedly ignored with regard to *danger* –reaching for a hot oven door, running into a street with cars etc. I mean repeatedly. Anything short of dangerous activity (when clearly told no *danger* multiple times) gets time-outs. Consistency is important. So is not humiliating or injuring your kids. But I definitely see your point about that line, and others’ about no violence ever. It’s very hard when you see your children endangering themselves when nothing else seems to sink in (much like what Erinn said above).
When I used to argue with my ex, I would always put my shoes on, no matter the time. I didn’t even realize I was doing it until he pointed it out one day.
I was beat every single day of my childhood. I have never laid a hand on my son, and I was a little afraid of how I would react if I saw someone else hit him. Pretty sure they would have only done it once. He is 26 now, and he is intelligent, funny, kind, well-mannered, generous and polite. He is also a hard worker who loves animals, and at the moment, a really ugly spider. He didn’t need to be hit to learn these things. There are better ways to teach.
Lady D, you sound an amazing Mom. I hope my kids grow up as beautifully as your son.
You know, they banned smacking in a Scandinavian country (Sweden, maybe?) and their child abuse figures fell very sharply. It’s almost unheard of now for a child to die at the hands of their parents, whereas it’s sadly not uncommon in countries that legalise corporal punishment. The thinking is that the culture shifted because what was socially acceptable did, too. If the goalposts are that you never, ever strike your child, then an abuser will smack them hard as hell when they lose their temper. If the goalposts are that a parent smacks them hard when they lose their temper, then abusers will beat like hell when they lose theirs, potentially even to a life-threatening degree, because the line is so much further out and we’re all a product of our society.
I do wonder, when people defend the right to smack, if they are thinking of that aspect to it. They’d never beat the daylights out of anyone, least of all a child, but by socially sanctioning the right to be violent as a disciplinary tool, they are green-lighting those parents whose instincts will be very violent indeed.
I’m sure the nanny will do an excellent job of parenting her.
^^^SInce that child will spend most of her time with nannies, Spanking should be out of the question anyway.
Yup +1000000
I’m guessing she is leaning toward her nanny/mom, since she clearly does not know or like the woman in the photos who is holding her (!).
My heart bleeds at the thought of anyone “harshly disciplining” their one year old. In Sweden that is illegal and thank god for that!
Me, too. Such ignorance and cruelty. It should be illegal everywhere. You should NOT have the right to hit a child. Ever. It makes my blood boil.
Blood boiling here too. At first I thought about writing that Reggie Bush should be “harshly disciplined” instead but then I thought better of it. Violence only breeds violence, and i don’t want to wish that on anyone. We should all try to control our behavior and not act aggressively (which is not the same as refraining from anger though).
Ugh. That Reggie bush thing made me see red. What a revolting human being. What the hell would you discipline a 1 year old for? And he’d TRY not to leave bruises? Wtf?
Yeah, I read about Swedish law years ago as a student. It was held up as an exemplary case of how to prevent serious child abuse – banning corporal punishment is, it seems, key.
Of course they won’t. They will hire someone to do it for them….
Exactly. When Nori acts up, she’ll simply be handed off to the
help. I get the feeling her parents only see her when the cameras
are around otherwise she’s with the nannies. Nice parenting!
In some cultures spanking is just the norm, i remember i used to get pinched and my mum would ask me to go get the branch, and trust me if you came back with a tiny one,she will go choose it herself.
Loopy, I am very sorry that you had to go through this. I hope you have since found out about showing and being showed boundaries in a non-invasive, loving way.
Regarding what you said about it being a cultural thing: In some cultures it’s the norm for women to not have a say in who they marry. Some things that are common are just plain wrong. A lot of what is passed off as normal in Western societies is just plain wrong in my eyes, too.
Physically harming someone for any other reason than defending yourself is something that I personally just cannot see the possible gain from. It only adds to my astonishment that anybody would consider it right to physically harm somebody who is literally half their size.
Pinched????
@sauvage , you make a very good point. People believe because it’s tradition or something along those lines it makes it ok. But as we know from other cultures ( female mutilation and so forth ) that just because its something that was always done and traditional doesn’t mean it should continue or that it’s ok.
Yes pinched until your cheeks or ears were on fire. Yeah a lot of things get passed as ‘the norm’ but are truly wrong. You know that saying ‘spare the rod,spoil the child’ that is very common where i reside.
That is just sad. Spanking is a big part of “tradition” of where I am from too. I was never spanked but my mother and father was( my father got spanked at school too, which is just insane).
“Spare the rod, spoil the child” is actually a misinterpretation of the scripture. I wish that people who want to live by that would actually research it, rather than just continuing to abuse their children under the guise of following their religion.
Wow loopy I’m sorry you had to go through that , it’s hard to believe that people think that is ok. And its also sad that people feel it has to be one extreme or another. A child should be disciplined , I feel that this latest generation is the perfect example of children/teens that don’t know the meaning of the word no BUT it also doesn’t mean you have to give them a beating with your hands ,a foreign object or whatever they may use. Child abuse is never ok and people can try to sugar coat it all they want but it’s still abuse.
okay, she’s the cutest celeb-baby out there. By far.
word. that last pic is too much.
Jessica Simpson’s kids are way cuter than North.
I don’t really care for Kim or Kanye but I have to say I am glad about this. I really, really hope that physical punishment gets phased out in the USA much like it has been in Europe. Physical punishment is a sliding scale and there is no clear line between what’s ok and what is abuse. Some parents take it too far and some children are more sensitive to it than others.
I hate to agree with anything Kimye, but I’m with them on this one. As the parents of three teenage girls, taking away a cell phone (during the teen years) or turning off the TV or taking away a favorite toy or game always seem to do the trick them more than any smacking would have… You bring these beautiful creatures into the world why would you want to physically harm them?
I doubt either one of them will be doing much disciplining of North. That’s why they have nannies. I won’t judge them for being anti-spanking. I’m not…appropriate spanking is part of my parenting arsenal, which also includes time-out, grounding, removing toys/privileges, and positive reinforcement. As a mother with more than one child, no one thing works for each kid and no one thing works all the time.
Kim looks GORGEOUS here…I want everything she’s wearing, including the boots. I hope that is a FAKE fur.
Love little Nori but would like to see her in a dress onceinawhile.
good for them.
also, reggie is a piece of $hit. who in their right mind “harshly” (physically) disciplines a 1 year old?! WTF?! what can a 1 year old possibly do that cannot be remedied by picking the baby up and removing him or her from the harmful/whatever situation? does he think that a 1 year old can understand the consequences of her actions AND will be able to correlate them with the punishment he inflicts? all he is doing is raising a damaged, afraid child. piece of $hit.
And perpetuating the cycle of violence and abuse. She will probably marry a man who hits her, and if he has sons, they will probably beat their children and wives as well. Sick and disgusting. All in the name of “freedom.” Land of the free, home of the brave. So brave to harshly punish a one year old or beat a little child with a tree branch. It makes me sick and so, so angry.
seriously. AND for a man the size of a football player to do it. someone who could easily maim or kill a baby with a swat of his hand.
Speaking of cycles, did you hear Charles Barkley’s related quote of how “All southern black parents beat their kids”- this may not be verbatim, but it’ pretty damn close.
I yelled about Reggie’s quote several days ago. A one year old, for god’s sake. Most of them are just waking, and talking. What the hell? That’s not about discipline, as are none of these acts, it’s all about out of control anger. That’s abuse.
North is super cute and so is her baby timberlands.
this is what turned my view point on Kim and Kanye – that they dress their child in practical footwear. As parents, Kim and Kanye appear to be far more hands on and responsible than Jessica fluff head and her husband.
Seriously?!
Practical footwear to get the hell out of there
Is she putting makeup on that baby??! The baby looks like she has a light foundation on. I hope I am just being paranoid.
Lol I don’t think so, she looks as cute as she always does 🙂
Reggie is an idiot. Why would ANY one-year-old need disciplining AT ALL, and the word “harshly” needs to be removed. Feel my blood pressure going sky high.
I just wish the poor baby could wear baby shoes instead of tiny adult shoes. No way a baby could walk easily in those boots.
I’ve never looked at baby Timbalands because they’re out of my budget, but most baby shoes are made of lightweight materials, even if they look more substantial. Also, most baby shoes don’t give babies the proper support they need which is why many adults have unusual gaits, foot issues, and back stuff, too.
No, no! First walking shoes should be soft and flexible for normal foot and gait development… this article includes American Academy of Pediatrics recommendation:
http://pediatrics.about.com/od/babyproducts/a/0308_baby_shoes.ht
I’ve read that abides shouldn’t even wear shoes when they’re learning to walk. I didn’t put shoes on my kid til he was probably a year and half and only when he was walking outside.
^^that should have read babies! not abides. Sometimes I think autocorrect is on crack.
Since getting spanked is part of Kim’s nightly boudoir ritual, she just doesn’t understand how it could be deemed a punishment. When that little girl annoys mommy, her penance is to sit down in a dark room and watch KUWTK from season 1 on. Cruel and unusual punishment for any kid….poor little Northwest.
And i really think this is just another media grab on the hot subject of the day …Reggie never said he hit his 1 yr old he said he didn’t think spanking was that bad….and of course the media run with it like a mad dog on a bone and twisted it to look like he was another abusive black daddy beating his youngins…and since in another lifetime he dated Kim that gave them the right to glum onto his name every time it comes up in the news !!! …As for Kim and Kanye they have to be around longer then a NY minute to know when to correct baby tantrums and handing her over to nanny is not the way to do it…….
And giving them time out or sticking in a corner to think over their bad behavior only gives them time to build up a resentment of being put in the corner in the first place . as a mother of 4 , a grandmother of 9, and a great grandmother of 3 and lastly a retired teacher with a 40 plus yr career let me say this …passive parenting does not work….you have to be the one in control….not the kids…..If they misbehave they get punished if they know that fact they will think twice before they do something they know is wrong…
2 things:
1. Reggie said he would “harshly discipline” his one year old daughter if he felt it was necessary, but he would try not to bruise her – that’s where spanking is implied. He will spank her but just not enough to leave marks. So no, it’s not just the media painting another black man as abusive, he did that himself.
2. Why do you think that passivity is the opposite of spanking your child? You’re perpetuating the idea that violence is the only way that you can maintain control. I think that sort of mindset is very harmful. If the only way a person can get through to their kids is through violence, then they have a serious communication problem.
@ketjo
You do not have the right to beat your children. Doing so teaches them NOTHING but to fear and resent you and to resolve conflicts with violence. You can be a much more effective parent by teaching your child the tools he or she needs to cope with frustrating situations by talking about how they handled it incorrectly, teaching them better ways to cope, making them accountable for misbehaving through appropriate punishment and positively reinforcing good behavior. How can you teach a child to be in control of their emotions when you have no control over your own? When you respond to a being frustrated and angry by striking out and hitting them? What does that say about your own ability to cope with life in an adult manner? I agree that passive, overindulgent parenting, doesn’t work. Neither does physical punishment. BOTH are lazy, ineffective ways to deal with the difficult job of parenting. I hope your students and children did better than you taught them.
+100 Million gnat. Well said. My sentiments exactly.
Did I say I promote violence ..No I said I promote discipline…..and as a adult going on 68 yrs old I think I am old enough and wise enough to know the difference…But feel free to tar me with the generalized version the public gives for anybody who stands up for their beliefs….and thank you very much but I am much beloved by my children and my former students ….who bring their own children to meet me and wish they had teachers like me….
Agree to disagree..
GNAT – beautifully put. i couldn’t agree more.
@ketjo – having your children love you and having them resent you for having hit them aren’t mutually exclusive. i love my parents because they’re my parents and they’re generally good people, but i resent them and sometimes dislike them for having hit me. despite the fact that i know they they hit me because of their own inability to handle their own frustrations, i truly resent them for taking it out on their small children who were basically defenseless.
discipline in your eyes was very likely violence in the eyes of your children. it all depends on who has the upper hand (who’s doing the hitting), doesn’t it?
I was spanked as a child …and I did not and will never resent my parents for doing it or loved them any less….and I spanked my children…..I never beat them , or abused them but I did spank them ….and I will not be shamed or coerced into feeling I did something wrong….the good book says'”spare the rod and spoil the child” and in no way does that condone violence .. so I will agree to disagree..
@GNAT:
I agree that passive, overindulgent parenting, doesn’t work. Neither does physical punishment.
Extensive research backs up your statement. Extreme parenting methods (laissez-faire vs authoritarian) rarely work in the advantage of turning children into responsible adults who reach their full potential. One induces laziness, insecurity and the other fear and many other effects.
The most effective one turned out to authoritative. In control, patient, fair and loving. Seems about right.
@ketjo:
I don’t expect you learn anything from these conversations. As people age they get stuck in their ways and thinking and thus rarely change. Being older doesn’t equate to being wise and the fact that you think that not spanking your child means you adopt a passive parenting style, proves that you know nothing about the 4 main parenting styles.
And just on a personal note, my grandmother echoed the same sentiments like you. Oh it’s ‘discipline’, it’s ‘control’. It’s the ‘truth’. No it was her truth that hurting me when she didn’t know what to do with problematic behaviour (that happens when you see your grandfather die and lose your mother at a young age) and resorted to yelling and ‘spanking’. And the problematic behaviour was usually being too silent or breathing the wrong way. Like, bye Felicia. Another example, research certain Asian cultures and see how well ‘discipline’ works.
@ketjo,
Believe me, I wouldn’t bother trying to shame or coerce you into anything. Your mind closed along time ago. You will never accept that there is a better way to parent because that would be admitting that your way isn’t the best way, and you aren’t capable of that. Age does not bring wisdom, just as having children doesn’t make you a good parent. I’m sure if you could, you’d hit me right now. At least you would if I were half your size. Just to teach me.
No I would hit you right now……because its a lost cause to try and change your mind…but look around you at the children of your generation …..and tell me your way is better…but wait I forgot todays generation always blames someone else for any thing they do wrong….Pax
@Ketjo, thank you!! This “I would never hit my darling little princess” act creates entitled brats who don’t know the meaning of respecting authority. It’s a sad state we’re in.
A teacher at my stepson’s school uses a 2 minute timer when kids are talking in class, the little hourglass toothbrushing timers. The kid has 2 MINUTES to stop talking. What on earth happened to stop that right now?
I see kids taking the cell phones out of their parent’s hands at the store or arguing about buying candy until their parents give in.
Now I don’t support abuse, but demanding respect with corporal punishment is NOT worse than permissive parenting.
And the drawing of a comparison between your boss at work hitting you (up thread) is ludicrous. Your boss is not raising you to be a decent human being, they are employing you!
a child will NEVER respect a parent (or another adult) who hits them. they might fear them, and obey out of fear of being hit, but that does not equate respect. far from it.
And how does hitting someone teach them to be a decent human being? It teaches them that when someone does something you don’t like, if you are bigger than they are, you hit them. It teaches them that if someone makes you angry, or frustrated, or hurts your feelings, or thwarts you in getting what you want, you hit them. Great lesson. Wonderful way to teach a child to be a responsible adult contributing to society. Thankfully, society is moving away from these ignorant ideas and methods of raising children, whether you and your ilk like it or not.
GoodNames, you speak like someone who doesn’t have children.
BunnyBabe
As I’m sure you know, I don’t have children. I tried for years, as I have stated many times on this site, but it didn’t happen for me. It broke my heart. Thanks for trying to use that to make your point. It’s about what I would expect from someone who hits children. Very gracious, mature and compassionate. Such a decent human being you are.
So congratulations on getting pregnant and carrying your children to term. So superior of you. Unfortunately, that doesn’t make you wiser, smarter, kinder, more compassionate or mature than those of us who weren’t so blessed. Having children presents you with many opportunities to grow, learn, expand your heart and your horizons, but not everyone takes them. As you show aptly show.
I have many friends with children and 11 nieces and nephews and 6 grand nieces and nephews. I think good parenting is one of the most challenging jobs in the world, and I have seen good and bad parenting all around me. And I’ve seen the results of it. I have seen children push their parents’ buttons deliberately to the point where the goods ones had to reach very far deep inside to stay in control of their temper and TEACH. To do the job they were so blessed with. The hardest job in the world. And I’ve been so proud of the ones who did it. Who raised beautiful independent, polite children with high self-esteem. Without hitting them. Or trying to cut them to the bone with cruel words. Like you.
I can’t say it any better than GNAT said it. Teaching violence does not make a person better. And the boss example is completely fair. You think that hitting people when they have done something wrong is a fair punishment. Children are people too. So how would you feel if I hit you because you disrespected me? Why are you teaching your children that’s a valid conflict resolution? Because in the adult world, it isn’t. And you are raising children to behave in the adult world.
And for the record, I think GNAT speaks as someone who would be a wonderful parent or caregiver, whether she has her own children or not. You don’t have to be a parent to be a good role model for children.
@GoodNames: Woah, buddy, no I actually didn’t carry to term or birth any children but I raise my stepson as my own. My stepson’s mother is not very involved, however, she will take a belt to him! That’s what I don’t think is effective: a beating. It’s like, and then what? Does he have the tools to make a better choice next time?
Raising children isn’t all fairy tales and good talks. Sometimes they need a sharp tap to wake them up when the time calls for it. And not every child needs it! And this is in conjunction with the tools to better handle the situation next time.
I said that it sounds like you don’t have children because it’s not so black and white. And a sharp tap is not the first line of defense – it is the last! Warning after warning, when other punishments fail to correct, and the tap works, is when it is used. Rarely and effectively. Not everyday. Not for petty things. Not for young children too small to understand right from wrong. Not with objects or repeatedly.
I want my children, bio or not, to have a good understanding of what it means to do what you’re told. I want them to be respectful and responsible adults. If that means they get a firm tap every once in a while, I’ll take it.
With me, he knows there are high expectations and he performs and improves. If he doesn’t, there are swift consequences.
I am very sorry for your struggles, I didn’t mean to say something to “cut to the bone,” I was merely observing that it’s harder once you’re in that situation.
@bunny babes. I have a daughter that I adopted (she came to live with us when she was 7 and we were able to adopt when she was 10 from the foster system). She was a wild child with rage issues when she came to us after having been in the foster system on and off since she was 1 1/2 years old.
We have never spanked her. She was abused in a past home and even putting her in time out was a struggle. BUT now she is 11 and a joy to be around. We get compliments from others about how well behaved and polite she is. We discipline her by giving her extra chores, or taking away a favorite toy, or simply time out. If you are consistent with your love and discipline they learn.
I don’t want my child to fear me. I want her to have good behavior because she know it is the right way.
Oh and obviously having children and raising them doesn’t make you, me (or anyone else) an expert. If that was the case then all people would be perfect. Someone who has never had children can still have a voice in this arguement. As someone who was childless for along time – I can’t stand when someone pulls out the “when you have children you will understand”. BULL we were all children once, we can have an opinion.
Angel, well done on turning the situation around for your daughter. That’s no easy task.
Funny enough, I receive the same comments about my child who has done a 180 in his behavior since I came on the scene 5 years ago. And it’s not from the very occasional use of corporal punishment, it’s from the strong consistent boundaries provided.
But someone who doesn’t have kids has never had to face the same situations as a full-time caregiver has. It’s easy to say “it’s never okay” from that vantage point. On the other hand, in no way does that make me an expert either just because I’m in the situation. Mother animals nip and bite at their young to teach them. Sometimes children cannot comprehend the emotional or rational reasons why they need to cut out a certain behavior, that’s where a firm tap comes in to bridge that gap in my humble opinion. And we are all animals with desires and impulses that sometimes need a swift kick in the proverbial pants!
WTF is a “sharp tap”?? I have never heard that phrasing before in my life. If you can’t even bring yourself to call it spanking or hitting, you know on some level what you’re doing is questionable, right?
Ketjo, I am only 10 years younger than you are. You are my sister’s age. But you’re right in that we are light years apart. You sound like you really love young people. You know, the ones who always blame somebody else for their behavior? The ones you used to hit?
BunnyBabe, we all know why you used the “spoken like someone who doesn’t have children” bit. It was to belittle my right to an opinion on the subject, because I’m not an expert like you think you are. So your son’s mother beats him with a belt, and you just smack him. What a nice change for him that must be. Poor child. I understand completely why someone has the urge to hit their child. I just admire people who rise above it and use their mind, not brute force, to teach their children to behave. My parents were very, very strict. They set rules and boundaries and one look from my mother could stop a train in it’s tracks. But they never resorted to hitting me. They took the TIME and had the intelligence and the love to help me understand what I had done wrong and why I was being punished. I will forever love and respect them for being good parents.
Sigh((s)), thank you for your very kind words. They meant a lot to me.
Angel L, your daughter is one lucky girl.
Thank you GoodNamesAllTaken :), we feel like the lucky ones. She is a fountain of inspiration. My daughter says I have a look too. She asked me if I inherited it from Nana (my mom, her grandma) hahah.
@Bunny babe – the Mother animal thing. I would hope we humans are better evolved plus we have words we can use, they can’t.
And on an animal issue – there are people that would be HORRIFIED if someone hit their dog or beat them but have no problem spanking, sharp tapping (sounds like slapping) , or whipping their child. I do not understand this at all.
I think there is a way to do the no spanking thing and most dont get it right. I grew up in a house that did daycare so I have been around a ton of children my entire life. They were from all nationalities and the parents who did not spank in their households (clearly my mother never spanked any of her daycare kids!) always had the worst kids. I dont think it was from a lack of spanking as much as it was from a lack of discipline in all other areas. If you dont spank, you really have to find a way to create those boundaries within kids minds, those boundaries that tell people they arent the center of the universe. I think most parents who dont want to spank dont want any “confrontation” at all and then it just ends with a bad kid who thinks they can bite everyone to the point of making them bleed.
When I had my own children I did spank them when they would do something that caused injury to another person or something that put themselves or others in danger. They got their worst beatings from play dates with kids who werent spanked.
“I think most parents who dont want to spank dont want any “confrontation” at all and then it just ends with a bad kid who thinks they can bite everyone to the point of making them bleed.”
See, I think the opposite actually. I do think there are some people who generally don’t know how to discipline or set boundaries. But I would argue that a lot of people who spank are the ones who don’t want confrontation. They don’t want to understand why the kid is acting the way they are. They don’t want to get to the root of the actual problem, or talk to the kid about their feelings, they just want to spank them and be done with it. It takes a lot more actual parenting to not spank and still discipline.
I’ve never hit my child. And no, he’s not perfect. No child is. But he is much harder on himself when he gets in trouble because he wants to be good. He revels in positive reinforcement. I have strangers in stores tell me how sweet and well behaved he is.
Thats a totally fair response! My point was just one side of the bigger picture, just like yours and I think to some degree we are both stating the truth. Truth is, there are all kinds of people out there with different understandings and motivations for how they parent. You highlighted the best examples of the debate in favour of not spanking and I highlighted the worst of it. At the end of it though we both seem to have kids that are well disciplined and yet not perfect so there’s got to be something you and I are getting right!
My dear friend became an older mom at 40. She was raised strictly, but with no spanking (I seldom got it, and really, I was a nice kid).
I am sorry to say that her only child is a nightmare, and used to throw ENDLESS tantrums. He is disobedient and she has tried the time outs and explaining/ speaking to him to no avail, he continues not listening.
I observed them a week ago, since they live in a different city and I would guess that the problem is that they fail to be consistent and really respect the boundaries they set at the correct time, like immediately they see the behavior happening.
It is a tough job being a parent. I understand people distancing themselves from spanking. I think using it VERY VERY sparingly and explaining the reasons, can work in some children, since not all approaches work for everybody.
I can’t believe am saying this but Kim looks cool here. It’s a rare occasion where she does.
North is so adorable.
I don’t know why but I see North West being the opposite of what her family represents : tom boy, leading a private life away from Hollywood, dating someone unknown, having a career totally diffrent from Hollywood. You know, being the ‘odd’ but special one amongst the Kardashian/kanya clan.
Man, I’d love that and Kim would probably go berserk about it!
North’s baby timberlands are so cute.
Why do they dress her like a boy?
Um, I have an outfit just like Nori’s.
That child is absolutely adorable.
Well I don’t think children should be dressed like adults.
…then don’t dress your children like adults, I guess?
Right? You go to sleep as Chastity Bono and the next thing you know, you wake up and your Chaz. Just kidding….Kim is all about trying to be cool, and naturally having her child anti-glam for the moment works for her. The child looks like her father, whether that’s good or bad it’s up to the eyes of the beholder.
uh meme, were you not talking about jessica simpson’s kids earlier? did you miss the shots of the infant daughter in a bikini years ago? pretty adult outfit in that case, no?
There you go again. Yeah, Imsaid Jessica’s kids are cuter than North and so his Prince George. babies can go,naked at the beach as far as I’m concerned…they are babies. Baby girls have been wearing bikinis for decades. They wear skirts and dresses too…Imguess in your mind that qualifies as adult clothes, You people make me laugh.
Have u ever tried to put a one piece swimsuit on a baby or toddler? Or remove a wet one? Two piece is definitely more convenient.
I see that she succumbed to that awful pointy fingernail syndrome.
Nice dead animal scarf, Kim.
I’m SO disappointed in Reggie Bush. I always liked him.
Sigh.
They are still in damage control mode after that wheelchair row. So this is just a PR stunt to make them look like good parents.
Meh! I’m a child of those times so it aint like it bugs me when parents do appropriate corporal punish etc however it
A) depends on the kid.. Some kids are good for reasoning with, some kids laughed and manipulate the “look honey this is why what you did is wrong” talks
B) Charlamange Tha God on his podcast brought up a good point: When you are that rich and are keeping ypur kids in the lap of Luxury all you ever have to do is: TAKE THINGS!! Take games/ipads etc
i’m a child of “those times” as well, and corporal punishment really, really bothers and troubles me. it’s the strong taking out their frustrations on the weak and the ones unable to defend themselves.
I grew up in a low income community. Expectations for success and basic needs like safety, nutrition, and supervision were not the norm. I do not believe that there is any room for the normalization of violence when the deck is stacked against you. No “spanking” (which is hitting), no “popping”, no “whooping”. It’s unlikely that the ongoing prevalence of domestic violence and the ongoing normalization of violence within the context of a loving parent/child relationship are coincidental. We show our young girls and boys through our actions that there is room within love for violence. Children have no natural affinity for cognitive dissonance, when we hit them, however dissociative our rationalizations, we are telling them that love and violence can coexist.
+1
I’m confuse by the beginning of your comment. What does living in low income have to do with this? Are you associating spanking and being poor? Rich kids are beaten as well………
I mentioned my background because I feel it’s relevant. Of course some wealthy parents hit their children, professional athletes are hardly poor. That said, corporal punishment is more prevalent among low income families, and within that group more common in African American families. I’m black and I grew up in a low income community. I STILL think it’s wrong:
“Other factors driving corporal punishment, she said, include age, education and income: Younger parents, parents with lower levels of education and parents from lower income levels are more likely to hit their children.”
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/16/living/spanking-cultural-roots-attitudes-parents/?c=&page=1
Truth. Domestic violence is also more prevalent among low-income communities.
I don’t believe in statistics. I believe spanking is done in every culture, regardless of income. But we live to disagree.
You didn’t read what she said. She said spanking is more prevalent in specific communities, which is true. She didn’t say it doesn’t exist outside of those communities. I’m also not sure what “belief” has to do with statistics, which are simple calculations based on population ratios.
You don’t believe in statistics? I can’t even wrap my head around that.
Cris Carter speaking out on the abuse of children. Very powerful:
http://youtu.be/yjDG2j__ENI
As an African American, it’s wonderful to hear a man, of an older generation, who identifies himself as a Christian, say unequivocally that inflicting physical punishments on children is WRONG.
FWIW, I have children, and I’ve worked with children. I do not believe that anyone benefits from violence, and hitting is violence.
Nice vid. You go, cris carter. He’s right. They don’t respect women or children, and that’s the problem.
I saw this last week and Cris Carter gets it. He understands that just because he grew up being hit doesn’t make it OK. That’s the excuse people have been using to justify Adrian Peterson beating his son. Just because your parents did it to you doesn’t make it right.
Exactly. I also really appreciate that he has compassion for his mother. The perpetuation of corporal punishment has been linked with lack of education (generally, the more educated the parents, the less likely they are to hit their children). He’s advocating for us as parents to learn and grow. His mother didn’t know better, but he does and he’s willing to make those changes for his own children
She is the spitting image of Kanye.
Why do they always style her hair so it looks flat? Her curls are beautiful.
So they told the nannies no spanking? Let’s give them a trophy parents of the year
Exactly my thought. No need to spank, when you can simply hand an annoying child to the nannies!
Totally.
It looks to me like Kim has once more gone over the edge with the lip filler. When one can’t shut their mouth maybe that person should reexamine their need for such big lips. I don’t find North to be the “cutest celeb kid” out there but beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think both Kim and RantYe look tired and dirty. Time to freshen up for them and for the love of god why is Kim wearing fur? Fake or not (and I believe NOT) she looks foolish and overly warm. How can she be a fashion setter when she doesn’t know how to dress for the weather? I am tired of both of them.
For those of you whose hearts “bleed” at the thought of spanking, hopefully you’re just as torn up over the thought of abortion…
Working so hard to bring that child into the world so you can hit it?
Classy reply.
What I was responding to could’ve been considered trolling, so I thought it was very apropos.
North is a cutie, love the boots. I wouldn’t spank her either. She has enough problems dealing with parents like hers. I hope she has a happy childhood. 🙂
🙂
Good choice.
I got spanked a few times as a child and I had no fear or anger toward my mother for doing it. I was being bad and I deserved to get popped. And the next time I was about to do something bad I thought back to getting spanked and rethought about what I was going to do. Getting a time out or a firm talking to sometimes isn’t enough for some kids and they need more incentive to stay in line. I’m 29 and if I have kids and think that it is appropriate I will spank them as part of my parenting technique. Now beating a child is unacceptable but I don’t see anything wrong with spankings.
My parents very occasionally spanked. The only spanking I remember was when I was further from home than was allowed. It was across the street from a race track and my parents felt it was unsafe. I had been told not to go there before and disobeyed. I never went there again after the spanking. A young girl was later murdered in the house on that very corner by a race track worker. -no bias against race tracks, they just didn’t think places that hire itinerate workers is good place for kids to be.
Me too and I’m 34. What enrages me on this thread isn’t the people who are against spanking, they can parent how they choose, it’s those same people trying to tell me that my parents were abusers or that I could never respect them or they were virtually wild animals with no self control. My parents were great parents and I had a perfectly normal childhood. They need to stop trying to frame the discussion so it suits their needs and actually listen. Somewhat ironically since they are all about respect it’s incredibly disrespectful.
Should I take it as a sign of the apocalypse that I agree with Kim and Kanye about something? My brother who is a sociologist just said yesterday (in relation to the news about Peterson) that no study to date has proven the benefits of spanking. Studies have ONLY proven the negative effects.
It’s in the 80’s in LA, why is she wearing fur????
It does look a rather warm outfit.
She’s a moron?
Just like with dogs, positive reinforcement just works better and eliminates distrust and fear. It’s a pretty simple behavioral model.
Using your hand to spank is okay I suppose if you do believe in spanking, but using a belt or a switch is abuse. Who cares if that is what they used in the old days it is not okay today to leave bruises on your children.
Good for them!
All moral implications aside, there have been multiple studies that show that spanking and other physical forms of punishment are not as effective as ‘using your words’ and time outs and removal of awards/priviledges.
Physical punishments just teach them not to do those things while you are there. I was spanked as a child and feel no ill will, but they didn’t have the internet and other educational resources that we have now. There are better ways and we know that. To continue to spank in today’s age is ignorant.
I am against spanking. I was physically abused by my mother. When I had kids I wasn’t against spanking at first but I realized that #1 when I spanked it was always an angry reaction out of frustration with my child. I read that I should calm down before spanking, but once calm I realized other more effective ways of handling the situation. #2 it made zero sense to me to smack my child’s hand and say ‘don’t hit’, as I’ve seen some parents do. What a mixed message for a kid. #3 spanking doesn’t really teach anything about why their behavior was wrong, it teaches obedience out of fear. It also teaches using pain and intimidation to get your way or prove your authority. Bad business IMO.
When my little brother and I were growing up our ex-step-father would beat us with paddles, switches, belts, and belts with the loops for bullets to be put into. I blame him for why my little brother had so much anger inside of him which he turned to drugs and fighting to give himself relief. He died in October of last year and I use that as an outcome that is possible when I see spanking vs not spanking. My mother had no idea it was going on since we’d cover up the bruises but my father’s side of the family saw it and they were outraged. There’s definitely a level of physical discipline that crosses the line and we experienced it. We grew up in Georgia and down there parenting involves spanking a lot of the time (least from when I was growing up all the way to when I worked at a daycare- the parents being the one that did the spanking, not us).
That said, there’s a difference that a lot of people refuse to acknowledge. A pop on the butt, on the mouth, on the hand is something I view okay. Of course not anything hard enough to cause even a red mark to form on the skin but enough for the child to see that they shouldn’t do/say that. And that’s for children age 3 and up; And only after telling them ‘No’ so many times before it’s the last option. Physically disciplining a child that’s one though is just.. no. Just no. Children that age aren’t aware of things that would merit spanking and it sounds to me Bush is confusing typical one year old behavior with something else completely to justify why he’d spank his one year old.
No where in my answers above did I say I believe in beating a child….I did spank my children not whipping or beating but spanked on their bottoms with my hand…to reinforce the point I was giving them …you do not misbehave and get away with it……that spanking made them think twice about doing that every again…I watched helplessly as three children drowned in a pond as a teenager because they ran onto the ice away from their mother who was screaming for them to stop..We older kids could not get to them in time to stop them ..the ice broke and 3 out of the 4 died before our eyes…She was the mother in the neighborhood who didn’t believe in spanking her children and they were the terror of the block… That stayed with me to this day ..if only she taught those kids the No meant No and Stop means stop ! …they would be alive today…
Pax to all …end of story..
Oh you really are just too much. If only that mother had listened to wise ketjo, and hit her children, they would be alive today. You have no shame.
Nope I really don’t I am not ashamed of how I live , what I believe in and what I say…..and I will not be shamed by others who disagree…
That kid ain’t cute. She looks like Yeesuz…poor kid
I think she’s a beautiful child and has the best features of both parents.
Ok, don’t spank baby, how about being a mom to her instead?
I’m from New Zealand and spanking has been prohibited for the last couple of years but our statistics on child abuse/death are still horrific.
I got smacked if I mouthed off and was disrespectful. Hardly abuse. Children should respect adults, but when you look around, that’s like a joke these days. Violence will beget violence, but appropriate discipline should not be considered abuse or violence.
And the vicious cycle continues.
Oh, they can just threaten to cut back on nanny time. That will scare her enough.
Someone mentioned other animals. They sure don’t discipline the way Reggie wants to. I’ve watched two separate adult cats deal with two separate extremely rowdy young kittens who arrived on their doorstep. In each case, the adult (one male, one female) was very careful to avoid physical contact even when playing until the kitten was much older. If they were pesty, they’d get a warning growl and a paw swiped carefully above their heads. I even saw one of the foster parents do the same thing years later with a runty adult who must have seemed kitten size to her. Both kittens and the runty adult seemed to respond pretty well to this approach. The kittens were still pesty but the adults were remarkably accepting of a high level of rowdiness in the young. Another adult male cat was the same way with the kitten next door, he was fierce enough that the neighborhood German Shephard would walk out in the street when he came to our property line. But the cat let that kitten jump all over him, showing some annoyance only in the slight swish of the tip of his tail. He didn’t go after the kitten the way he would have with an annoying adult. I can’t imagine an adult cat really trying to hurt a kitten in its custody, unless the adult cat was a kitty psycho. They just don’t.
Why is she using hair straightener on it?
My parents spanked me and I am fine (and to the person who said it leads to low intelligence, my IQ is above 150 and I was always an A+ student).
They always had a talk with me before and after the spanking to make sure I understood what was going on. And they told me exactly how many spankings before they started, to show that it wasn’t a nonstop punishment.
The occasional exception being when I was endangering myself or others, then it was a fast smack on the butt, but then it was just one.