I would hope that you guys would have realized this by now, but we don’t really like to cover the really awful stories about molestation and child abuse. Not only are they terrible stories about terrible people, but they’re usually a clusterwhoops to write. But there are so many stories about this Stephen Collins situation, so let’s get to it. Collins was best known for playing a preacher father on 7th Heaven, a notably conservative and family-friendly show back in the day.
First, TMZ published an audio recording of Stephen Collins confessing to his estranged wife Faye Grant – in the middle of a therapy setting – that he had molested several underage girls. The video is from 2012. The incidents of molestation apparently occurred the years previous to that. You can hear the audio here. I didn’t listen to it. According to TMZ:
You hear Collins flatly confess to molesting an 11-year-old New York girl — a relative of his first wife — saying, “There was one moment of touching where her hand, I put her hand on my penis.” He also acknowledges exposing himself to the girl “a couple of times” … he says when she was 11, 12 and 13.
Grant asks, “When you exposed yourself … did you have an erection?” He responds, “No, I mean, no. Partial, maybe I think.”
Grant then inquires about other girls. Collins mentions an L.A. girl who lived in their neighborhood, but says he tried righting the wrong by apologizing to her years later. And then they talk about yet another girl. It’s incredible … Collins has trouble keeping the girls straight, but then he gets clear and confirms the incident. We’re told this girl was also from New York and was between 12 and 13 at the time.
TMZ has learned … the NYPD is in possession of the tape, and last Wednesday 2 NYPD detectives from the Special Victims Unit flew to L.A. to interview Grant. We’re told they asked her about the tape and about other potential witnesses. An NYPD official tells TMZ … there is a current, active investigation. The official says there are “at least 3 victims” and the nature of the investigation is “inappropriate sexual contact with minors.”
Grant claims she’s not the one who released the tape to TMZ, but she told TMZ that she believes he’s a pedophile. Collins’ lawyer told TMZ that Grant is trying to extort money from him in their divorce proceedings. I tend to believe that Grant is not some do-gooder worried about the children, but then again… how do you even process the fact that your husband is a child molester? So now the NYPD AND the LAPD have open investigations on him.
So, everything moved quickly yesterday. Collins was supposed to play a part in Ted 2, but he was fired flat-out and now Ted 2 producers are looking at rewrites or possibly recasting the part. Collins was also part of the board of the Screen Actors Guild, but he was allowed to drop out of the board yesterday (I’m assuming they were prepared to push him out if he didn’t resign).
And finally, the LAPD swarmed Collins’ home last night when there were reports of gunshots. It was thought that he might have shot himself, but he didn’t. He wasn’t even home.
Anyway, there were more stories but I’m sort of at my limit. Obviously, this guy is disgusting and he needs to be locked up.
Photos courtesy of WENN.
I think it’s good to cover these high profile stories so children who are molested don’t feel ashamed. This guy along with Roman Polanski & Woody Allen are human garbage.
I’m disgusted every day that Woody Allen and Roman Polanski are still beloved in Hollywood. It makes me sick. Celebrities are such hypocrites. Do as I say, not as I do. I’m sure they’ll come down hard on Stephen Collins (deservedly), but only because he has nothing to offer them. He’s disposable, so they’ll make sure he is never allowed to breathe in Hollywood again. Woody Allen? First row seat at the Oscars.
Tessa, you make such a valid point. Every one of them deserves to be put in jail. But nope, let’s make an example out of Stephen (I mean, he should be punished!).
good point tessa. i am sure we will see a lot of attacks on this guy from the people who signed the letter defending Polanski. there were a lot of signatures from women who call themselves feminists. but i guess as long as the guy is doing good movies its all cool.
this guy has bad luck that he isnt talented or brings in money and awards. if he was we probably would have never heard about it.
@Sara
That’s what I honestly don’t get. I can see (before Dylan Farrow spoke up) giving Woody the benefit of the doubt (and especially since the child molestation allegations were overshadowed by his relationship with Soon Yi)–but Polanski? The only reason he’s not in prison right now is because he ran. There is no grey area with him. He drugged and raped a minor. And was convicted.
It’s so gross. Hollywood people are dregs. They’re uneducated immoral people with pretty faces and an ability to cry on cue. I don’t know why the world gives them so much social and political power.
Some, not all. I should clarify before I get attacked.
You’re preaching to the choir, OriginalTessa! I have no sympathy for a man who takes advantage of children in such a perverse and psychologically damaging way, particularly when he’s been playing the role of a conservative, morally upright family man; that kind of hypocrisy makes my deodorant activate!
That said, he’s still best known for a staring role on a cheesy WB series, NOT for being an Oscar-winning director. In the eyes of most people, molesting a child is a lesser crime than actually raping one, but in Hollywood the seriousness of the crime is always compared by how much respect one has in the industry. That kind of injustice makes me want to hurl!
@Sara,
So horribly true. If they bother to speak up at all.
As to this scum bag and his equally scuzzy wife, I believe he did it (why confess to something you didn’t do without coercion?) and that his wife is trying to get money out of him. For all we know she’d known about this for years.
Back when the Woody Allen investigation began (in NYC, btw, not Connecticut), the original social worker who had the case determined it was “founded.” Which means that he/she believed Dylan (and all the things that go along with that). Then that person’s supervisors pressured the person to change the determination to “unfounded.” When that person refused, he/she was fired and the case was assigned to someone else who would play ball. (The case was then moved to CT anyway.) So the coverup began all the way back at the beginning. Someone wanted to protect the Golden Chosen Child. You can make your own determination as to why. What do all the apologists think of this nugget of truth? (I get so sick of people hurrying to defend someone over something they know nothing about.)
Anyway, remember how this Collins guy was so outraged when Jennifer Biel posed nude and then she either left or was forced to quit the show? Ah, the hypocrisy.
“If in the end it turned out to be a savvy move, freeing her from a stultifying character, at the time it infuriated her colleagues. Stephen Collins, her TV dad, called it “child pornography,” and Spelling released her from her contract after the fourth season.” http://www.vogue.com/865507/the-real-biel/
The quiet ones and the ones who would never do such a thing are the ones you should keep an eye on.
@Sal,
You don’t think this, coming on the heels of a DIVORCE reeks? And who’s to say that she found out in 2012? Her? Believe her if you will, but I don’t. They were married from 1985 to 2012. Let that sink in. 1985 to 2012.
I soo agree with you! He does not have the power Allen and Polansky have, so he will have to face consequences, while the other two, well they got awards, and evening and all the praise.
if this guy, Collins, was making people rich, (a director), they would all look the other way. that is what is so gross and disgusting. being rich in this country, at any cost, is what america now stands for.
OriginalTessa
That’s not all Hollywood people. I can understand attributing only the most negative stereotypes to those we despise, but that’s not the whole group. There are quite a few that are kind and educated and don’t assault children. There are those who help and use their admittedly undeservingly high salaries to help and protect those who survived assault.
Sal
So right!
As soon as she found out she reported him. It’s not like she knew this and waiting until she needed dirt on him to give herself a pay day. She turn a blind eye to it. She had a breakdown.
@Sal,
He has been molesting children for over 40 years. He was married to her almost 27 years. Do the math! The divorce was NOT because he molested children, because she found out 12 years prior! Or does it take that long to reach for a phone to call the police?
Looks like a lot of people are incredibly eager to attack the wife based on nothing more than the rapist’s hired scumbag.
She didn’t do it, so I certainly don’t BLAME the wife, but she did likely know and decided to out it during the divorce proceedings to influence the trial. But I believe she knew.
+1
No more silence, for exactly this reason.
It will be different for him, I’m sure. Unlike the other two, Collins has outright confessed, on tape, and it’s been released to the whole world. His career is over. I bet his personal life is over too. He can say goodbye to his daughter, family, friends, neighbours…
No-one can defend him on grounds of malicious rumour or insinuation when they can hear the recording themselves. All that leaves him/them with is a plea of mental illness or ye olde Christian forgiveness/turning to Jesus card. Any bets which it will be?
My guess is he was molested as a child.
This typecrap has been going on for a long time to many, many children.
As an adult survivor of childhood sex abuse, I hope that the children he molested can have some peace and recover. This guy deserves to be punished.
This might sound a little over the top since he isn’t a relatively big star but I was a fan of his and now I’m mourning who I thought he was because he’s dead to me.
+1
I feel the same way. Guess he was a good actor, we believed he was a nice guy.
Exactly. I used to watch that show with my parents and brother so I guess because I was so young I didn’t really know he was only acting and I’ve just had good memories of him. Wow, just totally left fielded me.
i never liked 7th heaven but i loved him on it’s always sunny in philadelphia
Sicko, and the wife is a mess too. She didn’t get “active” until HE decided to divorce her. I feel for their daughter. She looks so sad in some pictures from the past.
Yeah the wife taped his conversation with the doctor but what did she do to protect the children. Accessory to the crime. It sickens me that these poor children either block out the molestation or are too ashamed or afraid to come forward. TMZ and company had just better keep their mouths shut on the names of the victims. Sometimes these blogs are so excited to get the scoop, they’ll drop a name. Soulless monsters from Stephen Collins on down.
She went to the police at the time, and they declined to press charges.
I don’t recall where I read this, but I heard the tape was turned over to the LAPD two years ago.
This isn’t a fair characterization of the wife. If you read her court filing, immediately after she learned of the three victims he admitted to, she contacted the one with which there was a family connection through his ex (i.e., the one she could get in touch with) and offered both apologies for not believing a prior rumor and support, leading to the girl (now an adult) pressing charges against him.
Yea. His wife hid nothing. The rumor mill has already churned out that she must have known this was happening and kept quiet. That just isn’t true. This was reported much earlier. Now that the press got ahold of it justice is in motion. Makes you wonder how many criminals could be punished if only the justice system and all it’s parts had a fire under their butts.
I don’t think the wife is a good person. I think Stephen Collins is a waste of space.
These two opinions are not mutually exclusive
The question no one is asking is how does something like this come up in couples therapy. Especially to the depth at which it was discussed. If you hear the tape, it seems like they were trying to work through his issues. Pedo’s have like a 0% rehabilitation rate…
This case can not be prosecuted due to statute of limitation and the taped private therapy session violates his rights to privacy.
She knew this and I truly believe she just wanted to embarrass him for not getting money out of the divorce. What about their daughter?? This is just disturbing and sad.
Yes, I think that’s correct. I looked over the applicable statutes of limitations for New York and California and it doesn’t seem they could charge anything now. They are misdemeanor offenses and those have the shortest SOLs. This conduct was over 30 years ago or more and these alleged victims reached adulthood decades ago.
I hope we find that his expressions of remorse were sincere, that he realized what harm he was inflicting and that he sought help.
Sal, I think the ick-factor with the wife stems from the fact that even if she did not know about actual molestation before 2012, she knew he was a pretty sick guy. TMZ published some stuff (posted below) that show she was aware of his joking about incest and making really terrible comments right before the birth of their daughter (who is 11 now, so placing her birth around 2002-2003). That was almost 10 years before the actual allegations. I can’t imagine what kind of woman would stay with a man after hearing that, personally. I would worry every single day about my child’s safety around this type of person.
I can think she did the right think in 2012 and still think she recklessly endangered her own daughter by sticking with a person who was clearly revealing himself to be quite sick and twisted. I can judge her for that.
I’m confused as to how you can be married to someone who is involved in this horrendous behavior and have no clue. I guess you can liken it to women who stay in abusive marriages. She may be completely naïve or maybe she just couldn’t live with herself any longer. He is the monster, she just married him, but Lord, 27 years. How do these people sleep at night. Sociopaths have no conscience. Scary world we live in.
Sal, a victim contacted Faye in 2000 saying her husband is a molester. The wife claims she only found out in 2011, the therapy session was in 2012.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/07/stephen-collins-molested-child-molestation-victim-wife/ , she didn’t run to the police when she found out.
The wife planned to stay with this creep after learning all this mess, but HE dumped her.
http://www.people.com/article/faye-grant-stephen-collins-child-molestation
That’s when she decided to do the taping and expose him, she was pissed he was divorcing her.
Just because the victim sent the letter in 2000, doesn’t mean the wife had any other evidence to believe it, though. I don’t fault her for not running to the police with such little evidence.
I do applaud her for going to the police in 2012. It is a shame nothing was done then.
I do, however, doubt the story about his joke regarding a male baby. IMO, it doesn’t seem consistent with these kinds of criminals that he would switch from his focus on adolescent girls to infant boys. I am not an expert, but I thought that typically such predators have a specific age and gender that they target.
@Tiffany,
Don’t know why this shows up way down here, but here goes,
One notorious priest molested boys and girls. Got a woman pregnant and molested those boys as well. So some are all one gender and others are not.
The following quotes are in her own words. Her letter to him.
“The comment you made just before I gave birth to our daughter when you said you hoped we didn’t have a little boy, because ‘you just didn’t know if you could keep his little penis out of your mouth’ was indication enough that you were sick”
Moreover one of the victim contacted her in 2000.
RadarOnline.com has learned, she is asking a judge to let her off the hook financially if any of the victims decide to sue!
i hope there is a special place in hell for people like her.
I was friends with a woman whose husband was convicted of serial rape. She was a smart women, and he seemed like a decent guy. She had no clue!!! Sometimes you just don’t know. Thank God this is not the norm. But this guy was an actor to boot, so I could see how he could hide. I really think we need to get away from blaming others. Let’s go after the perp. first and foremost.
The latest truly revolting tidbit has him telling the wife when she was pregnant that he was glad she was having a girl because he wasn’t sure he could keep his mouth off a boy’s privates. If this is true…not sure how old the daughter is, but certainly not a child at this point…then she knew from the get-go what a pervert he is. Honestly, would you stay with a man who said that to you while you were pregnant? She’s just as bad as him and maybe even worse if she knew about this for decades and said nothing.
Oh god, he’s disgusting.
Awful story. I hate all the blame that’s been sent towards the wife when she did turn in the tape in 2012 the real villain is Collins and LAPD that looked the other way.
Oh and Ted 2 didn’t necessarily fire Collins they had no choice after he resigned from SAG he was no longer eligible for work.
Do you have to be a SAG member to be eligible for acting work?
Yes you do it’s a union that all tv and movie actors have to join.
SAG also makes and actor insurable I believe. When Lindsay Lohan lost her membership she became uninsurable for quite a while iirc..
Thanks Luca26 and Sisi for your responses.
Do they join before their very first tv/movie role, or after? And if after, how much work are they allowed to do before joining SAG?
@truthSF
I think how it works is you need to get one job to apply for a SAG card. I might be wrong but I use to hear people say oh I did this commercial and that got me my SAG card.
You have to be a SAG-AFTRA member to work on union jobs, but not ALL acting jobs are union.
As an extra, you can work 3 union jobs before you have to join the union. For starring/guest star/co-staring roles, you can do 2 or 3 I believe before you have to join the union. The other way to join is to be “Taft Hartley’d” where you have a special skill or unique qualification for a job, so you can join the union without booking the other 2 jobs first. Its changed since the two unions merged though, and I might be a bit off on some of the specifics.
AG-UK
I’ve heard things like reality shows don’t qualify. It has to be acting. Even if some Reality shows are scripted.
http://m.wikihow.com/Get-a-SAG-Card
It mentions that he resigned from the board at SAG not the Union entirely. As long as he paid his yearly dues he’s a member.
Luca the wife knew before 2012.
Supposedly she sent him an email talking about something said when she was pregnant. TMZ has the story it’s graphic. Then a victim contacted her in 2000 saying her husband is a molester. She continued doing nothing until he filed for divorce, at which point she was shocked and upset by the filing.
The wife deserves to be dragged too.
@Toot from what I’ve been reading she didn’t know until around 2012 when she decided to record him. It sounds like there were clues but she was in denial. When she confronted him about an anonymous letter he made up a story which she chose to believe. Even the letter while disturbing states things she should have seen as red flags not that she knew at that point. This recording was made while they were still married after speaking to lawyers and learning it was legal for her to get a confession.
Sadly there are women married to men who stay in denial for years and don’t see what they don’t want to see. While I don’t think it’s a healthy thing I don’t think she is to blame from the information I’ve seen so far. The fact that she did turn the tape in to the police and the LAPD chose to do nothing with the info makes me angry at the police and not her.
@Toots,
Thank you! They were married for 27 years. In 27 years she didn’t know ANYTHING? Jeez. People need to understand that some women are okay with it as long as its not their child. And others are okay with it, as long as they keep living the life.
Delorb
There’s a lack of fully understanding how people can hide things. You on the outside looking in with the benefit of hindsight think it’s so obvious she knew. In truth many spouses and family members don’t know. It’s not from willful ignorance of the family and friends. It’s from them being so deceiving they can fool the people closest to them. They can fool whole communities and do. Should an accusation arise people might believe it’s more a grab for money than the truth because they can’t believe this person they know could do that.
@Sal,
The democratic party is not your wife! A wife who you step out on in the middle of the night to kill young boys and women. A wife might not know the particulars, but she knows something isn’t right.
When those men went hunting, what do you suppose their wives did? Sit at home and NOT wonder where they were? Jeez. Of course the first thought isn’t that they are out there killing people, but you can bet that they aren’t thinking that their husbands are helping little old ladies across the street.
Same goes for this creep. You see him with one too many children, with hands that linger in the wrong place and the flag goes up. Its what you do with that flag that matters.
@FLORC,
I know I’m on the outside looking in. But I’m also using common sense. There are markers that people who WANT to see, CAN see. In this instance, her words say that she knew. That she knew for years and did nothing.
He resigned from the SAG national board. He is still a member of the union. He is still eligible to work, just no longer considered employable, as it should be.
I don’t think he resigned from the SAG-AFTRA, he resigned from their board. Which would be a leadership position in the Union, so he had a lot of people fooled. So technically the producers of Ted 2 did fire him. Seriously though they had no choice this is gross, and you can’t produce a slightly off color comedy, which is what Ted 2 will be with an about to be indicted definitely investigated pedophile.
You can join the Guild either before or after you get a part in a SAG-AFTRA film which are most films in Hollywood, and commercials and television shows, as SAG and AFTRA are now one union. Although with the major motion pictures it is harder to audition without a membership.
@Sal,
How do you know she reported it ‘straight away’? Because SHE said so? Good lawd. No one is going to say that they sat on the information for decades.
@Sal,
Because her statement says so. She knew, sat on that information, then when they’re about to divorce, brings it up during their session and conveniently records him. Something tells me that she’d heard his story before.
He’s a child molesting monster who should have gone to jail when this all first came to light.
End of.
Yep.
Unfortunately he’d get a year in prison, if that. The legal system gives rapists and molesters a slap on the wrist. But be in possession of marijuana and you’ll go to jail 20 years to a lifetime. American legal system for ya.
It’s true – he probably won’t serve much time. I do think he’ll pay in other ways. There’s no hiding for him – he’s high profile enough that people will recognize him, but not high profile enough that he can squirm his way out of it (a la Woody Allen or Roman Polanski)
I wonder what, if anything, they can do. According to Grant, the police have had the tape since 2012. Shouldn’t something have happened by now?
Yes, that’s very disturbing.
Sometimes law enforcement can’t do much. It’s hard to explain it to people who are outside of the legal world. First, it sounds like the abuse happened a fairly long time ago – so much so that the victims would now be adults. It varies by state, but you very conceivably could be looking at an issue with the statute of limitations (yes, there is a limit on child abuse; the only common crime without a limit is murder). Wikipedia says that Collins was married to his first wife from 1970-1978. If the abuse happened back them (as it probably did, since the victim was a relative of the wife), it’s been, minimum, almost 40 years. The statute is almost certainly up. The NYPD is probably now looking at it because the abuse there likely is still within the statute, meaning that they might still be able to prosecute him.
I read somewhere that the statute of limitations doesn’t begin to run until the incident is reported to the police.
Woodstock: generally, no. Child abuse is a state issue, so it varies by state. However, generally, that is not the case. Most statutes start to run at the last instance of abuse, or sometimes they start upon the victim’s 18th birthday. There have been efforts to abolish limits or push them dramatically back, but those efforts usually meet with very strong resistance from the defense bar (and in many states, the Catholic Church, ugh).
Woodstock that would be nice, but I don’t think that is the truth with most criminal cases, maybe civil has more time. Then you have these poor young girls having to sue as adults now, and I can’t blame them for wanting it to go away and just live their life. It is definitely a terrible cycle.
My daughter was molested by a family member and I did not find out about it until 3 years after the fact. I immediately contacted the police, who arranged to interview my daughter with the prosecutor’s office. Although they believed her, they declined to press charges at this time. They told me that the way that the law is written in our state makes it very difficult to bring charges for this type of crime without physical evidence or an eye witness. I say this to let people know that a person can report everything to the proper authorities, be believed by the authorities and still justice is not served. I can’t know the specifics of this case so I don’t know why the police didn’t bring charges but I do know that it is not necessarily disinterest or disbelief.
I wonder if maybe someone in the police department was sick of the case not getting anywhere and then turned it into TMZ themselves to get the fire going…
That’s what I was thinking, or even the therapist.
What I read is that the police did try to investigate when they received the tape in 2012, but they didn’t have, and couldn’t find, any identifiable victims, so there wasn’t really anything they could do with the admissions at that point.
He’s disgusting. And isn’t it ALWAYS the refrain/statement that is released whenever someone with wealth has nasty business exposed? That may be true some of the time, it may even be true this time, but who cares? He confessed to the acts, it’s on tape. Unless he wants to say that the tapes were altered. It’s better that it’s out there so that he can’t hurt anyone else. As someone said on the last thread, the therapist has to report this anyway. It just wouldn’t have been public without an arrest.
Right. This is not the time to ask for the motives of the release. Moneygrabbing ex or not, HE is to blame.
They can both be vile
I’m especially creeped out because he spent the highlight of his career working with kids. That’s not like so many other ‘famous’ pedophiles of whom I’ve heard of–film directors and rock musicians.
I feel bad for the victims, and for the ‘kids’ on the show–especially the ones that were really young on the show. I’m sure that they’re now reevaluating every single moment that happened between them and this creep. I know I would.
+1 Even if nothing happened to the young actors, it is a betrayal and creepy in the sense that he likely saw them, in childhood, as sexually attractive.
I agree, I wondered about the girl on the sharp, Ruthie. And all the other kids that were on there. If I remember correctly there were frequently other kids that guest starred on the show.
Recently there was a picture of the whole cast of the show doing a little impromptu reunion posted online, and the only person they noted was absent was the actress who played Ruthie (her actual name escapes me right now – McKenzie something). Looking back at it now, I have to wonder if maybe she had good reason to stay away, or what she might know.
Creepy fact: he tweeted back in 2012 if he could work with anyone it would be Woody Allen.
The guy is a sicko and I’m sure there are way more than just three victims, sadly.
dear god, these freaks need to exit earth pronto.
Guy has a twitter, creepier fact.
This story really disturbs me, and I can understand how it would be very difficult to do a post about it. The only thing I really care to know at this point is the reactions of the 7th Heaven cast. Did they ever suspect that he was a sexual predator? I saw a picture of him holding the little girl who played Ruthie, I think, and my stomach just went into knots. So sad.
Yeah, I have never seen the show but recognize most of the cast members. If you had told me the name Stephen Collins, I would’ve been “Who?” but I know his face from commercials for the show. Sadly, a young woman who also played on the show died yesterday in her sleep. Reports say she played the wife of the oldest son, I think.
People always say “Oh, he’s such a good guy. He wouldn’t do that.” Yes, he would. Pedophiles don’t wear T-shirts saying “I molest children”. They are stealthy and I grew up with one. Every adult in the family knew about him, but not one of them protected any of the children. They didn’t want to be shamed in public so they sacrificed all of us – siblings, cousins and babysitters to the monster. He did life-long damage and nobody but the victims cared. Because of him I think all pedophiles should be sentenced to death. They cannot be cured and they will never, never stop until they die.
@Ruyana, I’m so sorry. How sad not to have your family protect you.
I hear you and I feel you. My stepfather molested me for about 2 years. I told my mother and she stayed with him! In fact, she monitored what I wore and shamed me if she thought I was “asking for it.” I ran away from home. It was my brother that saved me. To this day, my mother will say she had no idea. She is a liar! When she married him and moved me into his home, he wasted no time. I’m pretty sure I was the motivating factor for his marrying her in the first place. I resisted every single time and I paid for it. I use to think it would be easier to just give in, but I just couldn’t let him do it and was old enough to fight back (14), so I did. I’m telling you she knew before I ever told. I shouldnt’ have had to tell. She knew. My grades plummetted. I got into drugs. I quit school. I became withdrawn and reclusive. I was depressed. I wouldn’t go anywhere because I felt dirty and I thought everybody knew. She didn’t care about anything going on with me until I refused to go anywhere with him. Then, she asked me why I wouldn’t go with him anywhere when he clearly wanted me to. I stared at her thinking she knew but was making me say it. I couldn’t yet. I wasn’t ready. She told me I was hurting his feelings and needed to stop being selfish and start taking him up on his invitations to “ride along.” I did eventually tell her – blatantly, because for some reason, she needed very explicit details before she’d believe me. And even then, like I said, she stayed. And that is why I say the wives know. They know enough that they should be asking serious questions, but they don’t want to hear the answers so they don’t ask questions. They pretend there’s nothing suspect going on because that would demand action and they don’t want to lose their precious homes, money, status, and reputation. F–k them!
Dear JenniferJustice, I am so, SO sorry to hear that you have had to endure so much WRONG and loss of innocence at a time when your precious self should have been protected by your parent. I wish I could send you a million hugs and a sense of love and safety. All I can say is that I am so sorry for your experiences and I wish you only the best the world can offer. Thank you for your courage in sharing part of your life with us and your perspective regarding spouses of abusers.
@JenniferJustice and others, I’m so sorry. I know that sounds stupid, and not in any way helpful, but I don’t know what else to offer, loss of words.
I am so sorry for what you went through and that you still have to live with it. You are a warrior and he is a coward. I hope you can find peace after surviving this. This was for Jennifer Justice- don’t know why it wouldn’t post a reply to her.
Every adult in the family knew about him, but not one of them protected any of the children. They didn’t want to be shamed in public so they sacrificed all of us – siblings, cousins and babysitters to the monster.
That is the most awful thing I’ve heard today other than Collins’ sickening statement to his wife. I’m so so sorry you and your relatives and friends had to go through that as children. I wish you strength and continued healing.
Thanks for the well wishes. I’m over it now. It took a long long time, self-destruction, and mis-trust of the world. I was in a couple bad relationships before I learned how to be healthy and what a healthy relationship even was. That’s the part that angers me most (because I’ll never stop being angry about it) – that the men and women who support them have no idea how this affects a child for the rest of their life. I lost my teen years – no dating, no proms, no driver’s license and just driving around with friends. And, you never get those years back, so you do grieve for the girl that happened to even when it’s been so long, you don’t even feel like the same person. The only thing in my experience that really makes it better is helping other kids who are going through it and having your own children. You can never give yourself your childhood back, but you can definitely give your children the security, trust and stability that you didn’t get.
I feel worse for Ruyana than I do for me. She had an entire family not stepping up for her. I had a sh!t mother, but once the rest of my family found out what was going on, they stood by me. I can’t imagine having no one care or beleive you and continuing to put you in harm’s way. My heart goes out to Ruyana. I am a fighter. I get mad when I’m hurt, but so many people are more fragile than that. Also, being in America where that kind of victimizing is not tolerated can’t compare to countries that don’t prioritize women, girls, or crimes against them. There were factors in my life that actually make me feel blessed. I had faith too. That’s what really saved me. leaving or being taken out of the sitation is only the beginning. Living with it and learning coping skills was the real work. It probably took a good decade to stop feeling sorry for myslef and seeing myself as haven gotten the short end of the stick in life. There are so many people who have it so much worse and not only survive, but persevere. Women I met from other countries changed my outlook and gave me new perspective.
Ruyana, I hope you’ve made a family of your own for you. I don’t necessarily mean a husband and kids, but even creating a close circle of friends and other people who genuinely love you, have your back and are reliable, then you have a good family.
@Ruyana I’m so sorry that this happened to you. It happened to me too although under different circumstances. That’s the part that I think no one understands except the victims…the lifelong damage. I agree that molesters deserve the death penalty. BUT if you put them into the general prison population…they will take care of it! They actually keep the molesters separate in most prisons because they know what will happen. I say don’t!
This is sad sad sad all around. His wife should have reported him the moment she found out. What’s the therapist’s role? Shouldn’t he have reported this? I would think this is exempt from dr/client privilege?
Yeah the timing of the release of the tapes is troubling. She only brings this up to get financial leverage? What about the victims?
The wife turned the tapes in to the LAPD a few months after the tapes were made. LAPD closed the case. Now NYPD has decided to open a case ( maybe they just got the information) no one knows how this all came to light and who leaked to TMZ.
Apparently she turned over the tapes to law enforcement in 2012 – it’s unclear why nothing seems to have happened after that.
It’s starting to look like a low-level person in the LAPD gave the recordings to TMZ, possibly because the investigation was about to become permanently shelved. If so good for them.
I read on CBS that Faye gave the info 2 years ago, to the LA Police, and they declined to press charges.
I think it’s important to know that, so it doesn’t look like she sat on the tape for 2 years.
Also, it’s legal to record a therapy session without consent if the person committed a crime .
I am following this story because I loved 7th Heaven. It was corny and stupid and I loved it.
I also wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that the youngest daughter (from the show), Mackenzie Rosman, has nothing to do with them now- she even missed the reunion they just had.
I guess there is the problem of the prescription.The facts are happened more 20 years ago
@ don’t kill me i’m french, I think you mean ‘statute of limitations’. I didn’t think there was one for sex crimes, so I looked it up. You are right – limitation is usually 3 or 4 years. Here is link.
http://victimsofcrime.org/docs/DNA%20Resource%20Center/sol-for-sexual-assault-check-chart—final—copy.pdf?sfvrsn=2
@reba
Thank you.
I’m glad you pointed this out, because that was certainly my first reaction: she had this knowledge for 2 years and did nothing?
If she did hand over the tapes in 2012, why are the police only doing something now? And what’s the therapist’s role in all this? Surely a crime of this nature is exempt from Dr/patient privilege?
If it comes out that he molested anyone in the intervening 2 years, I hope the LAPD will have to answer for their inaction.
Just because this always drives me crazy…the police can’t just arrest the guy. The tapes would have been turned over to the district attorney’s office and they decide whether or not charges should be filed. If the file charges, then they get a warrant and have the police arrest the suspect. So don’t blame the police for not arresting this pedo, blame the DA’s office who decided to do nothing about it!
MrsBPitt….that just struck me so funny. Adorable!
I don’t believe there were only 3 victims.The pedophile never stops sadly
+1
Plus he was in a professional environment with multiple children around who may have trusted him. It’s usually not complete strangers who abuse children.
Our local advocacy center staff try to educate the community that it is usually someone close and trusted who is accused of such crimes.
I agree. I also worry that his crimes are more horrible than just flashing and a momentary touch. I don’t believe that he was 100% spilling all of the details with the therapist.
I heard a bit of the tape on the news, and it is DISGUSTING how he gets so offended by the wife/therapists assertion that the girl was 10, and he is like “OH NO! She was 11, 12, 13” as if that made any freaking difference to the horrific nature of the crime. It sounded like he was trying to say 11 years old is so different and less awful than a 10 year old.
This guy is disgusting and should be locked away. Nobody is arguing that.
But we need to discuss the fact that TMZ got a recording of a tape that was been used in an investigation. I just think is getting ridiculous with TMZ. They keeps buying people off at hospitals, police stations for the sake of entertainment. Because let us be real TMZ does not care about children being molested or domestic abuse.
It is this kind of behavior that is leading people to hack into celebrities’s phones and they think is ok. If we accept this kind of behavior because it entertains us, it starts to permeate our society and then none of us have privacy or boundaries anymore.
Honestly considering that LAPD has had the tape for 2 years and closed the case I’m glad that someone leaked this. It may have been intended to force NYPD to actually act when they opened their investigation.
Sadly, if the statute of limitations had run, there is almost nothing that can be done, legally, to address the situation. From what I’ve read, the abuse in California happened at least back in the 1970s (maybe before). If that’s the case, that train has left the station. It sounds like the NYC case(s) is much newer (TMZ speculated that it happened in the 1990s) so that statute is likely still in effect, which is why the NYPD is investigating. The thing that sucks is that the California victim more than likely has no avenue for justice (except through the civil system, which I hope she does).
It’s a mixed bag. A lot of injustices go unnoticed without social media releasing tapes or video, (leaving TMZ out for a second), spurring investigations.
In this case, an un-prosecuted crime was uncovered, a very dangerous and damaging crime. Further, the therapist would have been required to report it, so it’s not as if the case was unknown to authorities. Does the public need to hear it? I’m not sure, but it seemed to have been a catalyst for an investigation by the NYPD.
Hacking is different in that there is no suspicion of crime and harm. There is no reporting mechanism in place there.
Back to TMZ, in general, they suck.
It’s obvious the wife leaked it, sold it. She’s in the midst of a divorce and not getting what she wants. His lawyer says she has been holding this tape over his head during the whole divorce proceedings for two years trying to get more money. The cops could have leaked it, but why two years later? They never did anything with it after she gave it to them two years ago, and if it was going to be leaked by them, it would have been sooner.
It’s on the eve of her divorce trial or settlement. She’s the more likely one bitter she’s not getting what she wants, so why not take him down publicly.
I bet more come forward. What a creep. I mean going after underage teens is bad enough by grown men and are pervs who should go to jail, but going after ten-year-olds, eleven-year-olds, twelve? He likes them before they even develop, are prepubescent. Disgusting.
@Sal, the wife secretly recorded him. She said her attorney advised her it was legal to do so in this instance. It was reported she turned the tapes over to the police. Not his therapist turning tapes over.
He left his wife and filed for divorce. She didn’t leave him. Although, I’m sure in time she would have left him. She at the time gave a response.
“Grant, who appeared on “V” and “State of Grace,” seems blindsided by Collins’ divorce filing, telling ENews, “Stephen’s filing for divorce is a surprise. I am devastated,” she tells E! News. “I wish him the very best in whatever path he chooses to take. Twenty-seven years of marriage in Hollywood is the equivalent of 189 dog years. I was exhausted.”
SAL thanks for being a voice of reason on this. The party line from Collins lawyer is that she’s just bitter. It only serves to obscure from his crimes when people blame the wife. I think it just makes people feel safe to think that it couldn’t happen to them.
@ Jayna
Exactly. I don’t know where this therapist taping info was coming from.
I agree, Calabar. I find it disturbing that TMZ has the ability to pay off (and illegally record) the police, court system, and hospital system. Sometimes it seems to work in the favor of justice, but we will never really know when it does not work in the favor of justice.
This tape was recorded in 2012?!? Why didn’t the therapist report these incidents to child protective services? This type of abuse is grounds for breaking confidentiality. A therapist’s job is to help and protect people from harm. How many other girls could have victimized in the last two years!?! That therapist needs to be held unaccountable if they failed to report. Totally unethical.
I read, one of the victim’s came forth about two years ago and that’s what started the investigation and thus lead to Stephen confessing in the therapist’s offices.
The prescription?( The facts are happened more 20 years ago) or the therapist didn’t believe him?
For whatever reason there is a misconception about this out there. It was reported to the police in 2012. I don’t know per se that the therapist, the wife, or a victim came forward but this was handed over to the LAPD and they chose to ignore the confession. In my book LAPD is despicable and just as culpable as he is for closing their investigation.
Again…its not the police who are responsible for not arresting this creep…the district attorney is the one that decides if charges should be filed. If they don’t file charges, the police have no cause of action….
@MrsBPitt That is not entirely true. The police can investigate something and find there was nothing there, or they can never write anything up. They have some autonomy and discretion in that regard. It’s only if and when they turn over a case to the DA’s office, recommending prosecution, that the DA’s office makes a determination as to a case’s viability and a decision to prosecute. It sounds to me as though the police tried to follow up by finding a victim, couldn’t, so did nothing more and never turned the case over to the DA.
Since the crimes happened 40 years ago (when Collins was in his 20’s), the therapist wasn’t legally mandated to report. That’s only if it’s a recent crime, a ongoing crime, or a potential one. Morally though, they should have.
The wife turned the tapes over to the LAPD (she’s the one that made the recording) back in 2012. The LAPD investigated, and because of the lengthy amount of time, closed the case. Now the NYPD is investigating in a separate jurisdiction.
Therapists are required to divulge child abuse, elder abuse, or the abuse of the disabled; if you are planning to kill yourself; if you are planning to kill someone else. We are not required to report past crimes unless it’s a court ordered eval and the report goes to the judge (unless the past crime involves a child, elder, or disabled person, we would generally report that to CPS or Social Services and they would probably hand that over to the police) or the therapist is in a jurisdiction that does not recognize doctor/patient confidentiality. Therapists are mandated reporters of child/elder/disabled abuse.
@Sal, are you the ex wife or something? The facts aren’t all in yet, and if she truly did receive information over ten years ago from one of his victims, she did not report it to the police “straight away” she sat on it until it benefitted her to expose it. She was not the one who filed for divorce, nor was she the one who gave the tape to the police, the therapist was. She sounds like a shady enabler, and I do not believe she took all or really any necessary and proper steps to expose these crimes until there was something in it for her.
@Evelyn, I think Sal is having a rough day, in some other aspect of life.
It’s like someone told the 5 years old me Santa doesn’t exists, same feeling. This is so wrong and so sad.. I’m disgusted and shocked.
I have never heard of him, but this: “Collins mentions an L.A. girl who lived in their neighborhood, but says he tried righting the wrong by apologizing to her years later” makes my blood boil.
That poor girl. He can never apologise enough or make right what he did with words.
I hope he gets a very long sentence.
I watched the Babysitter’s Seduction on Lifetime a few times. He played the part perfectly. How interesting that life imitates art. What total waste of human existence. Hang him by his toenails, pig.
I was thinking of this movie but couldn’t remember the name! I just remember thinking he was such a creep in it. Accurate apparently. I was wondering if anyone else would remember
Wow this guy played a minister with seven children. Creepy.
I hope the NYPD is able to do something, since the LAPD didn’t/couldn’t. I also hope if anyone else was victimized by him, they feel strong enough to come forward and help the case, but I’d understand if they couldn’t.
The whole situation is horrible, and I feel terrible for anyone hurt by this.
I have no sympathy for anyone who molests children in whatever manner. Zero. Go rot on an island somewhere.
When it comes to child molesters I’m getting pretty quickly into deep old-testamential mood.
I feel trully bad for his victums especially knowing the police had enough info 2012 ! to do something.
TMZ posted this…..
Faye Grant sent an email to Collins last year after he disclosed he had molested and/or exposed himself to 3 young girls. In the email, she wrote:
“The comment you made just before I gave birth to our daughter when you said you hoped we didn’t have a little boy, because ‘you just didn’t know if you could keep his little penis out of your mouth’ was indication enough that you were sick …”
Grant goes on to regretfully say, “I should have followed my gut then, and then again 14 years ago, and kicked your ass to the curb.”
That is the most stomach churning thing I’ve read in a long time….
OMFG! Disgusting. How could she have stayed with him after that? Who says that sh!t?? Seriously sick.
Eww.
She stayed with a man who said that? And didn’t immediately divorce him and report him to the police? She’s a monster, too!
Yikes…
How big of a red flag did she need? That is sick.
WTF divorcing him wouldnt be “trusting your gut” it would be “umm my sicko husband wants to molest our kids” its crystal clear he is evil and sick.
I wonder if Sal will read this far down, as she’s determined to excuse this woman’s behavior. We always KNOW. We might not say it out loud, but we KNOW! She knew he was one sick pup, and yet she stayed with him for years.
WHAT?? She is saying that her husband said this about having a boy, and she didn’t pack up and leave him right then and there??! And no, I am not blaming anyone but SC for his disgusting, evil behavior, But if I heard anyone talking that way, I would immediately report them/warn everyone who had kids they had access to. I am just horrified.
Yeah, this isn’t ‘gut, intuition’. This is someone who spoke about proclivities. There is no guessing. Unless he pawned this off as a joke, but w(ho)tf would make a joke like that?
I cannot fathom someone saying that and then just brushing it off. It just makes my skin crawl.
Wait a moment. Now I am really confused. We have him admitting to molesting 3 under-aged girls. The ages seem to be very similar. He obviously prefers 10-13 year old girls. As sick as he is and as evil as his actions, I don’t buy that he suddenly developed an interest in infant boys. The fact that they were having a girl should have made Grant RUN!!!
That didn’t make any sense to me, either. It doesn’t fit his pattern at all.
@SillySimone This is not an exact science, but in general, you have two archtypes of child molesters: let’s call them an aggressive type and the non-aggressive type. The non-aggressive type is the molester who “fall in love” with their victims, and don’t really want to hurt them (although they of course do). Think NAMBLA. The aggressive type is basically a sex offender who targets kids instead of adults. They find sexual gratification in a victims suffering – and may have victims who greatly differ in age, type and may be of both sexes. Think Ian Watkins. Studies have shown that many child molesters isn’t even sexually attracted to their victims; to them it’s about power. It’s like with rape. I have also heard male child molesters who have targeted boys say that they’re not really attracted to boys per se, but that they think that boys are tougher and can “handle it”, while girls would “break”.
And I am, of course, in NO WAY saying that some kind of child abuse is “better” than others. It’s horrible either way.
This is sad to me, but I’m also horrified at the way TMZ is making child molestation into something cartoonish on their site. Really sensationalizing it when it’s no joke. The latest headline about his wife’s accusation about their own child makes me sick.
@Tallie,
That’s why you don’t go to that site. Come here with normal people and discuss the worms TMZ has dug up. I’m sure there are plenty of posters making fun of him, the molestation and the children. Better not to read the nasty story AND the nasty comments.
I feel terrible for his victims. I really hope that they are ok and have gotten the support they need from their families and friends,.
Regarding Collins, ideally he will end up in prison. But since the authorities have had his confession since 2012, I have doubts. Pedophiles tend to have a lot of victims, so perhaps more will be able to come forward and he will be charged and convicted.
I guess you can say better late than never. At least the wizard has been revealed from behind the curtain and he can no longer hurt children. What a f**cking piece of garbage. I have always had a weird sense about him – probably because he reminded me of my abuser- ain’t that weird? I never really felt comfortable watching 7th Heaven because of that reason. I firmly believe we have only scratched the surface of the problem of pedophiles in Hollywood. I’m certain they are at the helms at Nickelodeon, Disney and others. Poor Amanda Bynes is a sad causality of the problem. I’m certain she was abused by a head honcho at Nick. I won’t say his name – for legal reasons but I’m sure many of the regulars know who I’m talking about. This is the first step and let’s pray this opens the door for more to now feel safe to come forward.
The therapist diagnosed him as a narcissist, sociopath. On the tape, he sounds so emotionless, delivers each admission with a flat affect. Chilling.
Where’d you find the DX?
Kiddo, I doubt she found it anywhere and I would be surprised if she could link to a credible source.
The ex stated in divorce papers that his therapist said that, and it’s been reported about what was in the divorce papers in People and ENews.
“E! News has obtained the 2012 divorce papers between 7th Heaven’s Stephen Collins and Faye Grant, his wife of nearly 27 years.
In the documents, Grant explains how in January of that year she “learned for the first time that Stephen had been engaging in a long term pattern of sexually molesting children.”
She added that Stephen “admitted that he had sexually molested three underage girls over a decade ago; at least two of the three girls were molested over the course of several years. At least one of the victims has filed a report with the New York City Special Victims Unit.”
According to her declaration, Grant claims that her ex’s therapist had relayed the information to her and explained that he has “narcissistic personality disorder with sociopathic tendencies.”
So it’s what she’s arguing, but no real documentation from the therapist. Why didn’t she include that he was a practicing pedophile?
Uugh, aside from the victims, I feel sorry for his kid(s) too, Imagine having to live under the spectacle of your father being accused of something this horrible?
“According to her declaration, Grant claims that her ex’s therapist had relayed the information to her and explained that he has “narcissistic personality disorder with sociopathic tendencies.””
That would be a violation of doctor/patient confidentiality. The wife has no business knowing his diagnosis.
@paranormalgirl, The whole thing sounds weird, but I’m speculating that if the wife was able to make this voice recording during a therapy session that they were in couple’s therapy? Maybe the therapist shared the diagnosis with him, while the wife was there? Is that ever something that is done?
And what is the wife diagnosed with? He is a pedo and she is his enabler. They should both be in jail. I am livid.
Repulsive. I think Grant was approached, then threatened (with publicity) by the now-husband of one of the girls, and that is what prompted the therapy and taping. It seems to me she wants to avoid being painted with the same brush, basically, rather than shaking Collins down, but I could well be wrong. It just doesn’t make sense to me how exposing his illness/crimes will get her more from the divorce since he will now never work again.
Btw, since Kaiser mentioned it, one of the things I really like about this site is that it doesn’t get into the truly seamy stuff or speculation.
I am disgusted. As always, when sexual assault of children is brought to light.
This is such a trigger for some of my own emotional issues – Today, I am unable to listen to the audio, read the article in detail or read everyone’s comments – but I wanted to respond to Kaiser – Thank you all at Celebitchy for doing the hard work of writing about such hard topics, when this site aims to be a lighthearted place for celebrity gossip – I imagine it is also hard to read the comments of your readers’ personal experiences that echo such awful events – and I truly appreciate that y’all do it, and provide a forum wherein folks can comment and even support each other, albeit anonymously.
Bravo!
Agreed on all points. I appreciate these stories so much yet it takes a good few hours to read the comments – and even then my attention is scattered because it triggers a deep sense of furry.
Health and wholeness to you, Nicegirl.
Thank you for covering this. The more abuse gets play in media people actually read, the more victims will know that they’re not alone and they don’t have to be ashamed any more.
This is disgusting but as someone who’s been in therapy since before I was potty trained, I’m a bit troubled by the secret taping of therapy sessions. I don’t confess to crimes in my therapy sessions because I have not committed any but I still speak about things that I do not intend to be made public. Granted, I’m not a celebrity so there’s not a whole lot of interest in my issues but it’s not difficult to imagine public figures being blackmailed even when the therapy does not relate to anything remotely criminal. It’s a complex issue although I readily agree that justice has been served in this particular case.
Locking him up is too good. I say a public stoning is in order. I appreciate that he is being blacklisted by Hollywood but I agree with the other posters that Woody Allen and Roman Polanski deserve the same treatment. All around disgusting and gross behavior. I do want to add how grateful I am that the writers at Celebitchy are tackling this subject. As a victim I want to tell you that I appreciate your views and coverage of a subject that is too often hushed up. Not only are victims often too ashamed to discuss what happened but are also often threatened by their abusers with physical violence, etc. if they talk.
People really need to realize that its not the creepy looking stranger that will always harm your child but the decent respectable beloved ” all American ” guy next door
Another thing comes to mind remember the two Coreys (Feldman and Hart ) child stars who had troubled lives drugs prison you name it one eventually died of an overdose , both said how pedophilia was rampant in young Hollywood and how it affected their self loathing medicating and destruction
Not a lot of people took them seriously but pedophiles like to manipulate and abuse their positions of authority and what better place than an industry where people are foolishly trusting and willing to let their child be in the presence of adults often unsupervised for long periods of time .
I actually think that’s why some Big wigs don’t like stage moms not because they are overbearing but they are interfering with their free access to manipulate that child to do whatever in the name of stardom
This!
“The comment you made just before I gave birth to our daughter when you said you hoped we didn’t have a little boy, because ‘you just didn’t know if you could keep his little penis out of your mouth’ was indication enough that you were sick”
So she has knew since 1989, …. 1989
I guess she and Mia Farrow have this much in common. Willing to protect these vile creatures, until these men want out..
I mean to shame them, because these women are enablers. Not victim, but enablers. They need to share they’re husband / partner’s shame.
RadarOnline.com has learned, she is asking a judge to let her off the hook financially if any of the victims decide to sue!
I apologize if I am echoing others responses. Peds like him do not stop. Therapy, chemical or real castration, etc. do not help.
LA & NYC SOL ended. Mostly likely looking for other girls/women harmed by him. Multiply any admissions from him should be multiplied exponentially.
Wife is NOT mandatory reporter, same with woman’s husband. Their allegations would not be investigated. I know this from personal experience. The therapist WAS; should be brought up for sanctions, if not kicked out of profession.
The therapist did turn in the tape to the police. So there is no reason to sanction her.
In Tennessee, everyone is considered a mandatory reporter.
WTF!!! This is truly shocking.
This guy played the most upstanding roles. I saw him once in LA, I think he must have been going to a meeting, it was when he played a priest in some to show. The public were treating him like he was like he was a priest and saying how wholesome he was and such a great example. He totally fooled almost everyone.
This is horrendous.
Thoughts to these poor victims and the damage this creep did to them and their lives.
Lordy, I hope it was “just” the brief flashing and a quick, inappropriate touch. But I fear this will just be the tip of the sickening iceberg.
I’m fuming and confused. I’m confused on the time frame. When did she learn of his interest in children? I just read the divorce papers and she specifically says that she has asked him to get help several times for his pedophilia, but that he never would do it. She also expresses concern for the children he works with and expresses concern that he might use his fame to groom victims.
Here is what I am confused about: WHY IS SHE EXPRESSING THIS IN COURT DOCUMENTS AND NOT TO LE???? She had this on tape for 2 years? WTF is going on here. He is obviously a sicko. But if it were me in her shoes, not only would I have beaten the crap out of him at the shrink’s office, I would have called 911, called a press conference, and then moved my kids out of that home. I would probably beat him up again too.
Maybe I’m just overreacting. But honestly, WTF? And the therapist is supposed to report crimes against children. That type of confession is not covered under doctor/patient confidentiality.
It is like every single idiot in this story dropped the ball in putting this sick b away: the wife, the therapist, and LE
Yes, Grant filed charges when Collins admitted it to her in 2012, but she did turn a blind eye to the rumor of it years before. I’m sure she questioned him at the time and he denied it, but that’s not enough. I find it questionable when long-married wives supposedly had no clue about their husband’s proclivities and we’re talking decades. I don’t buy it. Perhaps there was no hard evidence in her face, but I think there were signs and suspicions she chose not to act on. It wasn’t until the ex’s relative who was molested actualy filed charges that Ms. Grant finally did something. But it could also be taken as a self-preservation tactic – now that he had charges formally filed against him, he would be outed. Better to be on the hating side than face the wrath of the public. I am a cynic. I know. But too many people blindly beleive the spouses of predators when they claim they knew nothing. I, for one, do not blindly beleive these spouses. My pathology is to suspect. There is an interesting article about predator’s wives at http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/disturbed/201204/what-predators-wives-really-know. I forewarn you, once you read it, you will be angry and if you think Fay Grant is innocent now, you may change your mind. I believe the psychologists over the wives.
Thanks for the article. I feel that the writer engages too much emotion in the piece for a mental health professional, but I understand her anger and judgement, of course. I always wondered this of parents like Patsy Ramsey…but there are so many things we will never know or understand about these kinds of cases. ( I understand no one was convicted in the above mentioned case , so while I have learned a bit in my own reading that has led me to my own conclusions, I am also speculating a bit.)
Thanks for this. I could not agree more. I have no sympathy for these women. None. Case in point, Joseph Fritzl’s wife. Her daughter was locked in the basement under the house for 24 years. She had multiple children during that time, all as a result of her father’s sexual abuse. The mother just went about her business. I want two minutes with that woman.
There’s a big difference between this case and the Polanski/Allen cases.
Polanski was dealing with a girl and her mom who persistently lied about the girls age- the mom was really a pimp, the plan was to get her cast in a movie, the girl was not forced but wanted to drink/drug and have sex with him, and it’s not clear if she actually asked him to stop the anal or if that was a later addition to the story by her mother. Yes, she was way to young to give consent. But she wanted to go along with the plan. Polanski had already spent time in jail and underwent psych evaluation, had already been offered and accepted a deal with the DA (mom by this time was desperate to not have the girl go to court, since it finally dawned on her that if the full truth came out- mom would be arrested rather than just getting a pile of money), but the judge started grandstanding in public for political reasons (judges are elected in the US). So Polanski was set up by mom, apparently did not know how young the girl was, and did not force her into sexual activity but rather she was quite cooperative (and knew what she was getting into, she knew the drug also and willingly took it), and the judge was acting very inappropriately. That’s why people who know him are still supporting his work. He shows no signs of being a pedophile, just sleazy.
The Woody Allen case was never proven in court and at the time many people involved with the investigation felt the child was coached and inconsistent, and no corroborating evidence at all could be found. Mia was just as well known as Woody and Mia had power of her own and through her ex Frank Sinatra, so I don’t think we can assume that Woody had the power for a coverup. The prosecutor made very inappropriate statements later, again a political maneuver to get useful publicity for future political campaigns (more grandstanding). There are many reasons to doubt Dylan’s memories. Her mother got the story on tape in a very peculiar way, over a period of days, with stops and starts suggesting she was being coached to take the story in certain directions. Children are very susceptible to such memory manipulation, that’s why they must be questioned by a proper expert. The timing of the events claimed just does not seem possible according to witnesses familiar with her activities that day and Woody’s severe claustrophobia makes the place unlikely also. He was on a supervised visit during a custody battle and there were loads of people in the house at the time, a weird time to choose. His older son Moses now says that Mia was actively brainwashing the kids about Woody, and he finally as an adult (with experience as a family counseled) reconciled with his father. So the accusations against Woody are not necessarily true. Dylan might have been molested but not by Woody- I wonder where her maternal uncle was at the time (Mia’s brother is in jail for child molestation at the moment). Sometimes children accuse a safe person instead of the real perpetrator, and Dylan was very close to her mother and picked up all the hostility against Woody Mia was feeling. Woody was expendable, especially since his neurotic intensity and awkwardness with relationships probably did bother the girl. My mother was a bundle of anxieties and hard for me to be around, but she wasn’t a child molester.
This case is quite different because the man had admitted to several incidents himself and there is clear corroboration of his confession from one of the children involved, who independently informed his wife of it (hence the secret recording of the therapy session). The victim had nothing to gain by lying and was old enough at the time to have a clear memory that was not manipulated by anyone else and his actions were cleared unwanted. The irregularities involved in taping a therapy session may or may not keep him from legal consequences, but his career is toast and I doubt anyone is going to defend him on this. Unlike the other two cases, this one is clear cut.
Nope. Wrong. Read the actual court documents regarding the Polanski case. It was rape. She was drugged. Polanski never denied the charges. He just ran away from prosecution.
jwoolman, those are excellent summaries of the cases. And accurate as well except for your opinion that the mother set Polanksi up – not exactly sure about that.
Sillisimone, I read the entire Grand Jury transcript and she was not forced to take drugs or alcohol. In fact, I recall that she said that Polanski questioned her when she said she wanted the drug and asked if she knew what it was. She insisted she did and had experience with the drug. She also requested the champagne. Her testimony before the Grand Jury would have given me serious pause as a prosecutor as to whether she was even a believable witness and what kind of witness she would make. I would have most likely done as the prosecutors did at the time, offer him a guilty plea of misdemeanor sexual misconduct. Polanksi took the guilty plea and the agreed upon sentence – agreed upon by everyone including the judge at the time Polanksi entered the plea. Polanski faced his charges and pled guilty and did the agreed upon sentence. He did not flee until he was tipped off that the judge planned to violate the terms of the plea agreement. The main reason Switzerland refused to extradite Polanski to the US is because the records reflected that he had already served his agreed upon sentence and as such the Swiss found the case was concluded except for the formalities and therefore no longer an open case.
@jwoolman, perhaps you understood at the age of thirteen what it was to take drugs, drink alcohol, and have anal sex. I certainly didn’t, and highly doubt this girl did either. The excuses made for this man are unbelievable. I’m surprised you didn’t say English wasn’t his first language, and the poor dear was just confused.
A far more likely story, is Polanski paid the mother off, and the girl was guided to say what she said for the payoff. A thirteen year old man-eater….. right.
I’m with you. He gave her the drugs = she was drugged. Age of consent. He coerced her (while she was drugged) into anal sex = rape. End of story.
Ugh. I hate that I really used to like him as an actor.
Makes me hug my kid a little more and thankful he’s got a great father.
Ugh. Just…ugh.
This info was given to the authorities in 2011, so I’m glad it leaked.
I think it’s obvious why the divorce is bitter.
Totally disgusting human being but to play devils advocate, if the tapes were made during therapy where patient confidentiality rules then the tapes would not be admissible in court or in any case that the police might mount against him. The public release of the tapes could also be used to collapse any case against him citing the indisputable fact that it would prejudice any jury against him and he would not get a fair trial. If the police raided his home because of the released tapes and not other evidence presented to them, then anything they seized would be also be inadmissible in court. The legal technicalities presented by public release of the tapes could actually mean he would get off scot free, at least he is now jobless and will be for evermore.
I am pretty shocked…he always seemed so funny and a great actor.
On that note…I am so sad and disgusted.
Yet Woody, roman and terry just get to walk away and remain high profile, swept under the rug kinda guys.
Wretched men.
I really hope they throw his ass in the slammer. I understand that the general prison population has a special, uh, place in their hearts for dudes who mess with kids.
He makes me sick! I was a victim of molestation and it has a huge impact on the victims. I’m glad he’s on tape admitting to it because there’s so many people who have said they are having trouble believing it because he is such a nice guy (according to ex-costars and others). I get the feeling that if it was just the girls coming forward without the tape, that a lot of people would not believe the victims. Goes to show you…pedophiles are often the ones people least expect, the ones that everyone thinks is a saint!
Also, his outrage that this tape was released and that it’s really all about his wife trying to get more money in the divorce. Well, sorry, but that isnt’ what it is ALL about. It’s really about some girls who were victimized by an adult in their life and it’s like so many seem not to care about them at all, especially him! Where’s his remorse? His wife says she didn’t find out till 2012 but she stayed and didn’t come forward. And why didn’t the counsellor come forward? Isn’t she a mandated reporter?
The counsellor is only legally required to report it if she believed he was still engaged in these acts or intended to continue with such behaviour otherwise it comes under confidentiality. Some one would actually have to state in a session that they intended to go out and molest a child or murder their neighbour before it would be a legal responsibility for a counsellor to inform the police. Even then he could wriggle out of it by saying he was bragging and didn’t really mean it. Only testimony from the victims would be the clincher. The one good thing about the public release of these tapes is that one of his past victims may now come forward.