Chris Noth was in Australia this week as “ambassador for Chivas Regal Extra Scotch.” Chivas flew him to Australia to promote their drink, basically. Which is a pretty nice gig. I like Chris Noth a lot, and I have ever since Law & Order, then Sex & the City, and now The Good Wife. He’s a better actor than people think and I like that he’s built a solid career for himself in TV. He’s never really been a “movie star,” yet he feels bigger than a TV actor. Anyway, while in Australia, Chris sat down for a surprisingly in-depth interview. He ended up talking a lot about SATC and how much the movies sucked (whoa!) and he jokingly (?) called Carrie Bradshaw a wh-re.
Analyzing Mr. Big: “It’s funny, because even with The Good Wife people accuse me of always playing powerful men. But they’re flawed — Big was powerful because he had a lot of money and he seemed to have the upper hand in the relationship, but emotionally he was a wreck. Actually, no: he was what he was. One of the things I tell people is that he never tried to pretend he was anything other than what he was. It was [Carrie] who tried to pretend he was something he wasn’t. He was always honest about himself — he never cheated on her. The relationship just didn’t work, and he went on to get married while she went on to … how many boyfriends did she have? She was such a whore! [laughs] There’s a misconception that Carrie was a victim of him, and that’s not the case — she was a strong, smart woman.
Whether all of the good work is in TV: “Not necessarily — there’s a lot of crap on TV. But nowadays you have these tent pole movies — Sex and the City 1 and 2, although 2 didn’t really work out I guess — these movies about superheroes and Transformers and all that s**t, where they throw massive amounts of money at them. Where’s the actual movie in all that? I think a lot of people over 40, particularly women, wonder what movies are going to give them. That’s why you see older actors and actresses like Glenn Close coming across to TV.”
What went wrong in SATC 2: “I don’t think it was a bomb, but I think because they’re greedy, it didn’t make as much money as they wanted. But I think it was considered an indulgence and a distraction because it hit right when the recession happened. People were like, ‘Who gives a f*ck about these broads going to Dubai when we can’t pay our mortgage?’ It was originally intended as a romp between these friends, but I think it was a mistake to leave New York City, because New York is an integral part of that show. Without that, it just went on too long. The critical response was overwhelmingly negative … there was not one good review of that film. Not one. And I think it was very hurtful for the girls, because [the reviews] got personal. The media can be dogs. Just f*cking ravenous dogs. And they just tore it apart — unjustly, because there are a lot of other romantic comedies that are dumb and stupid, and they give them a pass. It’s like they were gunning for us. [The film] was flawed, yeah, but it wasn’t as bad as they made it out to be.
Wow, I actually have nothing but respect for what Noth says here. I mean, except for the “wh-re” joke, which was a bit rude. But all of the rest of it – cosign. The second film was stupid and it deserved the bad reviews, but critics really did go after it to a frothing-at-the-mouth level. And I like what he says about Mr. Big too – Mr. Big was a douchebag, especially in the early years, but Carrie was so ridiculous in that relationship. Noth also says that he doesn’t know if they’ll do another movie and he makes it sound like he would be up for it if they did want to do a third.
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I am so tired of the word whore. Can it just die already.
Yep.
Any man who uses this word (even as a joke) is bitter which I suspect Chris Noth is. Stupid midget.
I agree, Honey. Clearly he was joking, but I really hate that word and don’t find it funny.
Me too! Love everything he said about his character and I get that Carrie line was a joke but can we all please move on from slut shaming…
It was a joke for sure and he’s a great interview, but as others above said, the word “whore” needs to die.
I called someone that before, but I used it in the literal sense and did so correctly. It’s a word with a true definition. I won’t stop using it and no one should. As long as it is used correctly.
Carrie did get around though. And was with guys already in relationships so that backs up the immoral part. It’s very much a joke here, but I can’t disagree.
He wasn’t serious, but I feel like casual sexism is like casual racism in that it sends a signal to those around you that its ok. I am really tired of the idea that a woman who engages her sexuality is a whore, and a man who does the same is just being a man. Sexuality is a part of human nature, and I am tired of women being scolded for it.
I agree that the misuse of this word is annoying and not funny at all. HOWEVER, as FLORC said…There are some instances where the term does apply, just not in his casual joke. And I think it can apply to either of the sexes IMO. One married person I worked with recently slept with at least three other married people (that I’m aware of) and one was a co-worker. Two of the spouses of the subjects were also co-workers. It created a sh-t storm of gossip, controversy, innuendo and possible work violations like I have never seen on a job before in my long career (naturally). This person was not fired. The other co worker was not fired either. This behavior caused two divorces and several transfers of the victims. In fact, we who were discussing said behaviors were told to shut it down which I never understood. I can only guess that management could never prove that any of this activity took place on the job. In this one instance in my entire life, I think the use of the term “whore” applied. I do not agree that is should apply to a sexually active woman who is having decent relationships, ie what Chris Noth said about Carrie having “how many boyfriends?”
A “whore” is what Rush Limbaugh called birth control advocate Sandra Fluke.
“You whore/slut!” is the preferred term for rapists before they rape or murder (or both) a woman.
Dem gov of California Jerry Brown called Republican rival Meg Whitman a “whore”.
A “whore” is what Mel Gibson called the mother of his child, Oksana Grigorieva.
Do you want to be engaging in the same kind of behavior as these people? I sure as hell don’t.
Find another word.
Be creative.
God knows the dictionary is FULL of different adjectives and words we can use to describe people whose behavior we don’t approve of.
As far as the literal definition, sex workers don’t always embrace the term “whore” either.
Ginger – a wh-re is a woman who has sex for money. Your example is not an example of that. If you disagree with using the word to describe a woman who is sexual, you really can’t let that one by.
I once overheard an argument where the girlfriend accused her guy of being a Facebook whore. I thought it was so funny.
That’s my two-cents.
PS: never watched sex in the city but was aware of the characters via co-workers. I loved how he described Mr. Boy’s character & Carrie’s desire to create a rationale / an ongoing narrative for him and being with him instead of accepted that he was what he was. Hunches shoulders. I don’t know. I just liked his description. It’s so apt for a lot of relationships I’ve seen or experienced.
Tiffany
Since I never use that term in a casual setting or intended to shame or scold another I’m still using it properly. Those who misuse the word justifiably bring this wrath and argument upon themselves.
AmandaPanda
Doing those acts and being immoral or being a person of loose morals while engaging in those acts does qualify as the W word. Doing that act for money is just another way of defining it, but it’s not the only way.
FLORC, my comment wasn’t directed at you, just replying to GNAT and then going off on my own thought.
@FLORC – “Doing those acts and being immoral or being a person of loose morals while engaging in those acts does qualify as the W word.”
No, whore still means someone who has sex for money, which isn’t necessarily being immoral at all.
Agree. It’s a whoreable word.
(I’ll go sit on the porch)
Abbott thanks for the laugh! Even in jest I don’t like a woman being labelled as a whore for embracing her sexual freedom. Not sure if that’s how it’s commonly referenced, but it is a woman’s prerogative to sow her oats. Slut shaming should die.
I agree with you on the slut shaming thing. But, wouldn’t you call a male personage with a new sex partner every week a man-whore ?
I guess Carrie was supposed to sit at home all day in a chastity belt and a religious habit, waiting for an emotionally unavailable man to come knocking on her door.
And she sort of did. She wrote about sex, but her character was very monogamy-focused in her own relationship goals.
Yeah I don’t care for it either.
I’m not a clutch my pearls kinda gal, but I was a little uneasy with how many where using the term “fame whore” to describe the artist formerly known as Amal Amaluddin during her wedding weekend. Even in that context it bothers me.
Glad you mention that example Mia
I find it truly shocking that the term is chucked about so much on CB, it doesn’t ‘fit’ with the general tenor of the discussions at all.
Me too. I used to wank around saying “attention whore” for years, but I trained myself to stop. REALLY NOT HARD.
the word does need to die a slow, agonizing death.
Yup. Love Chris Noth. Went to Marlboro College in VT. Great actor. Joke in very poor taste, sadly. That word is just so ugly.
Whore is the new gay?
Exactly. I’m so tired of it.
/signed
I’ve never watched enough of SATC to know if Carrie just had lots of boyfriends or if she had lots of boyfriends who weren’t single. If she had lots of lovers, that’s cool, enjoy your life.. However, if you knowingly get involved with a man who is in a relationship or married, you deserve to be called a wh-ore. You deserve to be shamed. The man you get involved with is even more of a pig and a wh-ore, but that doesn’t excuse you from accountability. When you get involved with someone and willingly hurt someone else (the wife or gf), even if you’ve never met the woman, you don’t deserve respect and all you deserve is judgment.
“However, if you knowingly get involved with a man who is in a relationship or married, you deserve to be called a wh-ore.”
Nope. I still disagree.
If someone engages in sh*tty behavior, call them a sh*tty person. Don’t dredge up a gender-specific, derogatory term that has been used for centuries to oppress and shame women.
Here are some alternatives for you and others to use:
*cheater
*traitor
*dirtbag
*cretin
*creep
*louse
*liar
*trash
..and of course “assh*le” is a classic.
But really, lets leave slut/whore/c-word/p*ssy and any term that has historically been used to denigrate women and makes us feel not only less than men but less than human, behind.
I like your alternatives Kitten!
I agree, Kitten. And I say that as someone who was cheated on with a women who was supposedly my friend.
And FLORC, I think the word is prostitute if you are speaking about a person who sells sex for money. There’s no reason to even call a prostitute a whore. It’s dehumanizing.
Actually, if one were to apply that term to a character it would be Samantha who was unapologetic in her desire for sex and partners, not that I agree that the word should be used at all. I mean, that was the point of the character’s bravado! Was to challenge the stereotype that it was acceptable for men and not women. While Carrie was, clearly, struggling. Wanting relationship but finding the men too flawed and moving on. So, he’s kind of shooting them in the foot with his flip assessment.
There is nothing more loathsome than a woman calling another woman “a whore”. When a man uses that word it is always meant as an ultimate insult,funny how some women don’t seem to think so.
Holy cow! You have serious issues nikkisixx.. That drivel needs to be dealt with by a shrink.
Oh but it’s such a great word! It’s where ‘ho’ comes from- my favorite slang word!
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However, I have a dirty mouth. I guess it’s time I matoor.
This word, when I hear it directed at me? I know there’s a very good chance it’ll be followed by violence against my body. Every woman knows that, no matter how few men she’s slept with. It’s a warning word in most contexts, a control word (or the word used by a man who feels he’s lost control, and therefore on the edge). It’s way more threatening than b* or c* if you really REALLY stop and think about it/look around/think about history for two seconds. Good people should consider retiring it, like a few other words we’ve all* come to agree are associated with/incite violence and hatred, and have made a choice to put away. Of course, “FREEDUMB!” etc. If that’s your schtick, carry on, dear enabler, but know what I and many others think of you.
*Well, many of us.
PS: If you’re looking for a word to describe women who trade sex for money, the word those women in question prefer is “sex-worker.” For obvious bloody reasons (see above).
Godwina – I so much agree with you, I feel shivers in my body when I hear women use that word,it’s evil.
Well technically, she was a slut.
LOL but to be fair they did run through a lot of men (expect Samantha she was way higher),i guess its that cosmo life,different culture maybe,but i don’t have any girlfriends who have dated and had relations as much as the cast on that show in the last 10 years.
Um, that’s no “being fair”. She wasn’t a whore.
I mean, if you really wanted to get technical, Carrie was a whore. She got paid $1,000 when she spent a night with the architect dude.
@Anna, but he wasn’t refering to that incident specifically, he was talking about her having a lot of boyfriends. There is nothing wrong with that and nobody should have the right to shame a woman for having a lot of relationships.
@Anna She didn’t specifically ask to be paid for sleeping with him, though. She just woke up the next morning and the money was there. So, I still don’t think that makes her a whore. But she did wonder after the fact if the guy considered her to be a whore.
How does running through a lot of men make her a whore? That is the problem right there. She just was a woman who dated a lot of men. That’s it. No pejorative needed.
“to be fair “i guess you and you’re friends aren’t young anymore and don’t live in a exciting city like nyc. just guessing.
Actually i’m 28 and have lived in many countries as my dad was a diplomat from Pretoria,New Delhi,London etc so i have seen ‘exciting; places thanks.
Just like the guys from Entourage ran through a lot of women? And got called out for how much sex they had? And were referred to as whores?
No. That was just part of their bachelor Hollywood lifestyle.
Smells like “gender inequality” spirit. Someone should write a song.
Was I watching a different show? Other than Samantha, the characters were basically serial monogamists who each had sex with maybe five men in 5-6 year run. In what world is that a lot? And as for Samantha, more power to her. She owned it and was in total control of her life.
I also thought the show was somewhat realistic, given that in one episode Miranda got chlamydia. It showed that there are consequences to having lots of sex. Wish that would’ve happened in “Entourage” as well. Vince had sex with strange women all the time and somehow managed to never get anyone knocked up or contract an STD. I also didn’t like that in “Entourage,” the woman Vince ended up with was the one who refused to sleep with him. It was a tacit endorsement of the Madonna/Whore dymanic.
Good points, Betty and bettyrose!
Sorry bettyrose, I have to disagree there. It certainly wasn’t 5 or so men for each of the girls minus Samantha. All the SATC girls have hooked up with a LOT of men, and have had a lot of one-night stands in between them!
They might be serial monogamists to a point – since they all appear to indulge in very short-term, seemingly monogamous relationships most of the time and move on when something very little goes wrong.
While I don’t agree necessarily with using the term ‘whore’ to describe Carrie in her love life after Big, I think we need to loosen up a bit regarding the word. I would readily call Vince a slut or a whore for the amount of strange women he sleeps with – because I think it is what it is.
“Lighten up”? Actually, people have used the term “whore” VERY lightly for centuries to refer to women specifically.
I didn’t say ‘lighten up’, I said ‘loosen up’ – which means that I don’t think people should get up in such arms about it, not treat it as a comical, light-hearted joke.
I understand that for centuries it has referred to women, but in contemporary times – it has become appropriate and normal to use to describe men too. Like I already said, I would readily call men who are promiscuous ‘sluts’ or ‘whores’ too. The word certainly has a negative connotation, but that connotation I associate with promiscuity, not gender.
In this thread, “Whore” is being used as a synonym for “promiscuous”, not as it’s true definition: a person who has sex for money.
Promiscuity is a moral judgment about the practice of casual sex, and it is typically aimed at women instead of men. Casual sex is a normal part of human sexuality. Societies have created laws and institutions to deter this behavior, and it still happens because it is NATURAL and driven by biology.
Who are we to say what is “a lot” of sexual partners, and over what period of time do you restrict people to?
I called my husband a whore premarriage in college. Not because he racked up the numbers. Because he wasn’t against sleeping with anyone that had a boyfriend. His actions were selfish and immoral. That makes me sound really judgy. It’s just the only way I know how to phrase it for this.
I will admit the word isn’t being used correctly by Noth and by many overall. Just that the word is taking blame because people are redefining it.
I read something just now, and I can’t verify it but maybe someone can.
A person wrote that on Seinfeld, Jerry had 73 partners over the course of the show, while Carrie had 25 over the course of SATC. Jerry is NEVER called a “whore”, and it is never implied that he is promiscuous.
THANK YOU!
Saying “I call men whores too” isn’t really a sign of equality, ladies, nor does it erase the historical origins and implications of the word “whore”.
I’em glad you covered this. I read it in the daily mail yesterday and it was written as though Chris was serious about the wh*re comment.
‘Who gives a f*ck about these broads going to Dubai when we can’t pay our mortgage?’
Abu Dhabi, actually.
But otherwise, he’s right. ”Sex and the City 2” was a travesty. It managed to be ageist, sexist and Islamophobic all in one nasty little package. So those poor veiled women are saved by Carrie Bradshaw’s book? And what was that with the once wonderful Samantha turning into the most misogynistic cliche of a menopausal woman?
Just horrible.
I actually liked 2 better than 1 (except for the horrifyingly racist ending) because it was about the four ladies hanging out and having fun (even though I agree it should have been in NYC), whereas the first movie was just about Carrie whining and acting like an a-hole for 2 1/2 hours. But 2 was still bad. They were both bad! I really hope there’s not a third, but I’m sure there will be since they were so obviously setting it up in 2 for 3 to be about Carrie and Big becoming parents. Ugh!
This is going to make me sound like an *ss, but that’s terrifying. To me, Carrie was never the mom type. I’ll be so disappointment if they do do a third movie and make them into parents lol.
They should have left it as the show ended. The movie left a bitter taste.
I agree, I loved the show and even liked the first movie for all it’s faults.
-The horrible attitude of “oh we’re so enlightened compared to these poor women!”
I love Samantha’s character but she was hideous in this, her disrespect for local cultures was horrifying. If you don’t like it, don’t go there.
-The whole Harry is going to sleep with the nanny, oh ok no shes gay so it’s ok even if he wanted to he can’t. How about making it that he just wasn’t interested and loves his family?
-Charlotte who has a nanny and no job crying about how hard it was
-Carrie whinging that her husband who works in finance in NY in the recession is to tired to go to a f*cking movie premiere, brought home take out as opposed to going out to an ovrpriced restaurant just so she can dress up in whatever stupid outfit she bought that week, and wanted to watch tv in bed. STOP WHINGING!!
Mark Kermode summed it up in his review, it was like he was in his head.
You’re not going to get a rant….starts ranting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHeQeHstrsc
Yup, it was all such a cliche. And the characters were so different from in the series. For a start, since when were they all so loaded? The series managed to strike a good balance between fantasy – the Manolos, the hot men, the Manhattan parties – and ‘keeping it real’. Yes, Carrrie may have had a thousand pairs of shoes, but it was make clear on several occasions that she couldn’t’ really afford them.
And yes, that ‘Irish’ nanny with the big bouncing tits was such a joke. Charlotte scared that her darling hubby is going to run off with her? How cliched, and what a nice way to make women insecure, the opposite of what the series did. Savvy Samantha turned into some scary cliche, rubbing hormone cream into her lady bits at the desk? Ugh.
And, as you say, the non-stop whining about their perfect lives? Double ugh!
But never mind, the girls are hear to tell those oppressed Muslim women how to be free and happy. As if.
The Irish nanny is one of the reasons I dislike Alice Eve. Her accent was ridiculous.
No one in Ireland speaks like that
Oh god I had forgotten about the cream rubbing and pants down around her ankles in a glass office. God it was such a charicature
Only reason I liked 2 was because Aiden showed up.
Aidan was a much needed relief in that horrible film but completely unrealistic story line.
I’m so glad I never saw it. It looked awful from the trailers.
The insanely photoshopped posters were enough to turn me off. That, and I didn’t like the first movie either. The show ended very well, and they should have just left it alone.
I like him. Hate the mustache and that little fuzz below the lip. Why do men think that looks good? They all seem to try some version of it at some point in their lives, and facial hair looks good on about two people I’ve ever met.
Check! Like 2nd husband at the altar? Jeez!
He must be doing the ‘stache for a role, right? I sure hope so because it’s awful.
Noth is a really good actor and an articulate, interesting guy. Wish he would have skipped using the word “whore”.
I always feel like he’s spelling his last name wrong, as if he has something against “Rs”. His first name should be “Chis”. That would make sense to me.
Doubler
Lol, me, too, or I feel like I’m talking with my mouth full when I say it.
Yep, it’s like the lost marbles from the Klooney thread end up in your mouth.
GoodNamesAllTaken says:
October 16, 2014 at 12:33 pm
Doubler
Okay, but no rocks.
This is the perfect example of why you should read the whole article before making judgements based on on quote. I saw that quote out of context a couple of times over the past 24 hours and thought he was such an ass to say it, but now that I’ve actually bothered to read the article, I agree with him. Not the wh0re comment, obvs, was wrong but he was clearly joking. I think the rest of it was spot on.
Me too. Not thrilled that Celebitchy decided to put that as the headline either. I clicked ready to be ticked at Chris Noth but you read everything he says and I get that he was joking. Also he was spot on about Mr. Big and Carrie (one of the reasons why I was so sick of her acting like she was being played with when the guy said all along what he wanted and did not want with regards to relationships).
And he’s also spot on about SATC2. They needed to stay in NYC. Heck it would have been interesting to see the girls having to deal with being hit with the recession in NYC. No more glamorous A list events or having an over the top wedding that had to cost millions of dollars. Them going to Abu Dhabi was dumb and the fact that Aiden of all people was there made no sense. The cultural insensitivity they showed was so wrong too. How did no one tell MPK he wrote a crap script?
I totally agree and I hope they are not going to make a third SATC.
Ummm, but I recall Big did cheat on his wife, with Carrie.
So yea… lets not throw about that “wh*re” label around so freely there. 🙂
I suspect Noth has done so much TV because it pays good. There is not a lot of butt kissing that has to go into selling the show once it’s a hit. There is minimal PR that has to be done for it. Plus he always ends up getting to wear great suits.
And now Chivas is paying him to go be pretty and sell their brand. I would image that he can keep up that kind of gig up for years.
Carrie was “the other woman” during Big’s marriage to Natasha.
Noth is correct that while In a relationship WITH CARRIE he never cheated on HER.
Meanwhile, Carrie cheated on Aiden. (“You broke my heart!” — love that line!)
But it was all ok to fans for the cheating because Big and Carrie were in love. Ridiculous!
Cheating is cheating.
But rewatching some episodes now that I am older, I see things so differently. Carrie was a psycho needy girl. I cringe at some things she did. None of the girls were really great that people should look up to, or want to be. Maybe Amanda and Samantha on a career level only.
I have loved Chris Noth since he was Logan but only on a professional level, his personal life leaves much to be desired. He is looking BEAT at his age, too much booze over the years?
Even the first time round, I didn’t get the appeal of the Carrie character. I like SJP, but Carrie is so selfish and needy and such a shitty friend so often. Blech.
Same. Carrie is the least likeable out of them all especially from season 2/3 onwards, but because SJP and MPK are best buddies she was always the star and they spoke about her like she was some feminist icon.
Thank you. Carrie was materialistic, shallow, and sort of dumb. I actually had trouble believing that career women like Miranda and Samantha would choose Carrie as a friend.
Eh, she was supposed to have liked her sex (though she really seemed the least adventurous of them all. Even Charlotte seemed to experiment more now and then!)
But, yes, character-wise she was a mess. Rewatching it in my twenties after first watching it in my teens I’m like, UGH GROW UP! Everyone else grows except for Carrie. They all grow through things like cancer, cheating husbands, erectile dysfunction, infertility. What’s Carrie’s biggest problem? It’s normally something like: farted in front of my boyfriend. Or, my lover’s wife was rude to me when I tried to force an apology on her. UGH! She was so inept.
Yes!
I remember watching the last episode and being aware of how much the other three had grown through the series yet there was Carrie with the same guy and the same issues as the first episode. No growth and still whiny and annoying. The montage of Sam overcoming cancer, menopause and her commitment issues, Miranda with her child, husband and Magda just enjoying family life and Charlotte with her not-so-handsome but so much better as a person husband and about to be a mom really emphasized the point in comparison to Carrie out shopping and answering the phone with *gasp* Bigs real name. Bleh.
I know, right? And I find it really hard to believe that she’s the one for him. Or ANYONE really. All the other girls have something or the other you can connect to. But Carrie? Who is clingy and selfish and downright unlikeable? There is nothing there to empathize with.
PS: Harry and Charlotte foreva! Also Smith and Sam! Miranda and Steve! Anthony and Stanford! (Basically anyone but Big and Carrie)
Am so glad other people hated Carrie. I always thought she was completely unlikeable and was baffled as to why the others (particularly Miranda and Samantha) would have stayed friends with her. The scene where Miranda calls her out for being ridiculous about Big and she has a massive strop and flounces out is classic – if I were Miranda I would never have called her ever again.
I totally agree. I can’t stand her character anymore. She’s vapid, self-centered, and a mediocre friend. She also makes TERRIBLE relationship decisions that no one should idealize. Big treated her like crap throughout the show, and even left her al the altar in the movies, and she marries him anyway. Grow some dignity, girl.
This is a little off topic, but it’s about SATC and I’ve always wanted to know this. Remember how they used to refer to their vaginas as their p@ssies? Do you do that in conversations with your girlfriends? I have never heard a woman say that in my life, and it always struck me as so odd. They were younger than I am, but I have younger friends and they don’t say that, either. I’m not a prude or pearl clutching – it just didn’t sound natural to me. Not judging, just curious.
LOL no. My friends and I always kind of motion to it lol. We are in our early 30s.
Wasn’t it Samantha who threw that word around. A lot. She was always so bold and crass. Just part of that character. Where as Charlotte probably would have died first before letting that word drop out in random conversation.
And for my group of friends… we have referred to it as a hoo-ha since High School. LOL! And we are all in our 40’s now. And it is still a hoo-ha. Somethings never change.
haha we use hoo-ha sometimes, or foof (I have no idea where that came from but it’s stuck). Ireland have some very region specific ones that sound ridiculous when you say them to non Irish
It was usually Samantha, but the others ones, except Charlotte, said it, too on occasion. I just thought, “wha…who says that in a diner?” Lol
I don’t think I’ve actually ever said the word, unless I was reading it off of something else. I just don’t like it. But my friends and I don’t really talk about our sex lives, or anything. I have said “vag” before when joking around about things though, so there’s that. Somehow, it’s a less upsetting word that P@ssies to me, ahah.
Pussy when being vulgar, coochie usually.
Vag/Vagina is awful, and I despise Va jay jay? when it started on Greys Anatomy. DESPISE. lol
My gal-pals and I call it our lady bits or dewy-woo.
Vagina is an awfully clinical word.
There’s nothing wrong with being a little more affectionate towards one’s intimate parts (especially since people – grown-up, fully adult people! – use words like “tummy” to refer to their abdomen, for crying out loud).
I like “pussy”.
But to those that would like a little more variety I propose QUIM. 🙂
Now there’s a lovely word if there ever was one!
I read a book that used that expression…darn it, I can’t remember what it was, but it took place in the 1800s and the main character was a prostitute, and that’s what she called it. So it must be old-fashioned? I’ve never heard it outside of you and that book.
I usually use “South of The Border”, “Southern Hemisphere”, or “South of the Navel-quator” if in polite company and I’m not sure I can be bawdy, which is probably my first choice.
GNAT-I think Quim was used in Lady Chatterley’s Lover, wasn’t it?
Well Big might not have ever cheated on Carrie-but he did cheat on his wife WITH her. So if she’s a whore than so is he. *eye roll*
Carrie (while annoying) was always looking for love-always looking for a relationship. It was never about the fling for her-that was Samantha. But I think we can all agree that Steve and Miranda were the best couple on that show right? I love Steve.
Steve was the best with Harry a close second.
No, Harry first, I think?
@Sumodo1 I loved Harry in the show but they underused him in the movies. I think Steve and his “Ma” were just perfect 🙂
One of my favorite SATC scenes was when Steve got down on one knee to propose and Miranda said, “WTF are you doing?!” So funny.
Yes!! I will forever heart Miranda and Steve!!! The kid they got to play Brady looked like the perfect combination of both of them!
That kid looked so much like Cynthia it was crazy! Especially the baby, I thought for sure it was really hers, lol.
I was so disapppinted when Steve cheated! As neurotic as Charlotte was I loved her with Harry.
I think it was crap they threw that in. Really Steve of all of the men would cheat on Miranda who he loved forever and they were so happy to get back together? They could have left that whole stupid storyline out.
I was disappointed in Steve as well, but I think it was more realistic than the idea of them getting a “happily ever after”. Life happens and people drift apart or make mistakes, I loved that they worked through it.
I love Steve too. As much as I loved Miranda with Blair Underwood’s character, I was sooo excited when she finally confessed to Steve that she loves him at Brady’s birthday party.
Blair Underwood is the sex. sigh.
Let’s not ignore the overall message of what Chris Noth was saying because he made a risque joke. He basically pointed out that Hollywood isn’t offering much for women over 40 which is a good point to make. And that the characters were somewhat shallow and out of touch with normal women which is an honest observation in my opinion. Most men don’t touch on these topics so I’m happy he is sharing something different that makes sense.
Agreed. I like everything he had to say, insightful and observant. And I hadn’t really considered why older film actresses are moving/sticking to TV, because so many crap movies are being made.
Agreed. Say what you will about SATC, the focus was on the women, their strengths and weaknesses. And The Good Wife is probably the best vehicle for strong female characters currently on broadcast television.
I completely agree with everything you said, happymama, but how hard is it to NOT use the word “whore”?
We need intelligent men like Noth to set the example.
Also, The Good Wife is AMAZING. Absolutely love that show and Noth is great in it.
Mr. Big forever! I used to watch SATC with my best friend and she was ‘team Aidan’ while I always always always rooted for Mr. Big. Liked him in Law&Order as well.
I don’t think Big was the only douchebag, Carrie and the girls weren’t any less of douchebags and that was the magic of the series. None of them was easy to take in and I think all of them had some sort of emotional trauma: like Sam when she buys her apartment and tells the girls that at her age her mom was stuck with an alcoholic husband and 3 kids, Carrie’s dad had left her, etc.
They were finding relief in friendship and the beautiful things in life.
I always thought that out of all the men in the show Big had the most potential to be ‘one of the girls’ because he was an emotional wreck as well and in the series finale I love how he councils with them before running to Paris.
When an adult man refers to an adult woman as a “girl” I get red faced and angry.
I’ve been making a conscious effort to stop using the word “girl” in reference to grown women and I can tell you from personal experience, it’s a tough habit to break.
I have been trying to do the same thing! And I agree, it’s a hard habit to break.
Agree. I still say my “girlfriends” though none of us would qualify as girls anymore.
And bobslaw, I had an old boyfriend who used to call me girl when he was mad. Grrrr…
I actually liked the first one, for what it was, and I refuse to watch the second because it will ruin the first one for me. It just looked ridiculous! Also like Chris Noth a lot, aside from using that word I agree with what he said, and it’s cute how he referred to “the girls”, he sounds protective of them and that’s endearing:)
I always LOVED Mr. Big! 🙂
I loved Aiden too- well, John Corbett since that series set in Alaska that was on a zillion years ago. I loved how he got to scream at Carrie You Broke My Heart as she praddled on and on how he had to forgive her.
What I still enjoyed the most was the fabulous clothes- SJP could wear a ball gown! And the wedding dresses in SATC 1- yes, shallow as charged!
I cannot get outraged over his use of the word “whore”- clearly he was joking. I’m sure when they were shooting the series they jokingly called each other all kinds of things.
Did anyone ever see Inside the Actor’s Studio with Bradley Cooper? He talked about how he had a brief spot on SATC TV series, and he was to kiss Carrie. An assistant came up and told him that he was NOT to insert his tongue into Miss Parker’s mouth-and Bradley Cooper was already plenty nervous and said that about did him in- like, was there more he wasn’t supposed to do and folks assumed he knew that??? Too funny.
That ridiculous romp idea was SJP’s. I remember her saying in an interview that SATC2 needs to be more of a romp. Her words. I hope they do a 3rd movie justice but don’t do anything stupid like kill someone off. At the end of move #1, everyone was happy, so I was happy. I want them to end up happy, dammit!
I would never have guessed that one could slut shame a person who doesn’t actually exist. Chris Noth’s slut shaming game is next level shizz.
I like him as an actor and all his characters but I have a hard time liking him as a person bc of what a douche he is to his wife
LOVE Chris Noth on the Good Wife. He is so underrated as an actor. There’s just something about him, a charisma that just draws you to him (even though, yes, most of the major characters he’s played are real jerks). He’s very enigmatic to watch on TV.
He really is underrated and “enigmatic” is the perfect way to describe him.
I love him so much for “Where’s the actual movie in all that? I think a lot of people over 40, particularly women, wonder what movies are going to give them. That’s why you see older actors and actresses like Glenn Close coming across to TV.””
Awesome stuff –
I think Big was great. Carrie was annoying as s***. He was very honest with her and she never accepted it. She was looking for all this love and romance and he clearly wasn’t that guy. He always told her. She put up with it and always played victim. Every time she didn’t get what she wanted she slept with someone. She loved the chase. I couldn’t stand her character! So grossly selfish. Meanwhile she had all she wanted with Aidan and she treated him like crap. Sooo love analyzing that show. 🙂 He’s great on the Good Wife.
I like SATC no. 1 movie…it actually grows on one and has a lot of soul. The main reason I love SATC 2 is because I happened to go to the “new” Middle East with two women friends who could afford it – mine was through a PR jaunt – and we had a hilarious time. It was the wrong choice for SATC 2 for sure…and they stayed too long! … but good for a laugh and all the women in the audience were laughing loud and hard. Suburban, plain old every day women just thought it was a bit of escapism. SATC no. 1 has a bit more bite. Great break up movie.
Anyway, Noth is right they were slammed and the women were called old, ugly, horsey, lesbians you name it…maybe that is why Noth threw in “whore” jokingly…what haven’t they heard already!
There is nothing surprising about the interview being (relatively) “in-depth”. I have never read any words from this man that weren’t AUTHENTIC. He really does appear to have a mind of his own and uses it – and doesn’t hide it.
BTW, I loved how he talked about women’s sexiness a few years ago. I remember he pointed out it’s not the garments a woman wears (or doesn’t wear) what makes her sexy – that a woman can be super sexy in a white shirt and jeans, instead of flashing her cleavage and any other assets she may have (or thinks she has – this is me, not Ch. N. speaking. :P))
So Carrie is a whore for dating several men over the years, but Mr. Big was just an honest guy who screwed his ex-girlfriend behind his trophy wife’s back.
Okay.
They should do a third movie, but it needs to be in New York and it needs to be back on HBO as the movie, smaller, more intimate. It will work then, because it won’t try to go too grand for the big screen. No gimmicks. We’re interested in these women’s lives, not a grand escapade. I
I have watched very episode of SATC about, oh, a zillion times. I thought both SATC movies were terrible (though the second was infinitely worse than the first). The first SATC movie was purely self-indulgent, but not in a particularly satisfying way. It was cliched and predictable. And all that long-lost screaming every time Samantha showed up in NY, even though she had just shown up in NY two scenes ago. Kim Cattrall got far too much air time to warrant all the excited screaming. I always liked he character of Mr. Big. And Noth is right: he was always honest about who/what he was and the seriousness of his relationship with Carrie. It was also Carrie that thought it was more than it really was. She was aware of his emotional limitations, but like many women, she was sure her wonderfulness would help him overcome that. And if I am to be 100% honest, I never liked any of the characters. To me, Carrie was far too needy and neurotic. Samantha was entirely too self-involved. Charlotte was a Pollyanna caricature and Miranda pushed the I-Am-Career-Woman-Hear-Me-Roar to the point of becoming a boring broken record. I think the character of Anthony Marintino made me laugh the most and Stanford Blatch was adorable. I also loved Steve and Harry.
I don’t know – it was a comedy so the characters were supposed to be over the top. Otherwise it would’ve been a serious movie and we’d have to take Carrie’s shenanigans seriously. It was a caricature of modern times. None of those girls were real, they just represented chiched character and had to be overly dramatic to make a point.
No, not approving of him calling a mature independent woman character “a whore.” Not approving AT ALL. I don’t care about what he meant by it and if he was trying to juxtapose Mr. Big who “went on to get married”. It’s sexist period.
I thought people hated the FIRST MOVIE. not the second. Anyway, I didn’t like the first cause here comes Steve cheating out of the blue and Magda slinking in a chair, after Miranda got nasty with her. In the show Magda would have went off on her and quit. I loved the second movie and went home mad at the first.
okay, then she wasn’t a “whore”- but she was a girl who slept around with a huge amount of guys, and broke aidan’s heart, the nicest guy ever. She was just as bad as the guys were to her.
Thou shall not speak about Queen Carrie Bradshaw that way! (even if she was a hot mess)
Carrie was the worst character on that show. She was neither strong nor was she smart. She was incredibly selfish, self-absorbed, juvenile, and, at times, judgmental. Chris Noth shouldn’t have called the character a whore, but the outrage on this post is killing me. Everyone’s salty because they think they’re “the Carrie.”
Can I just appeal to the people at The Good Wife to PLEASE let Peter Florick wear his hair naturally silver. He looks SO much better with it au natural.
You know Big had just as many conquests and girlfriends and he did cheat on HIS wife and dated dumb models and anyone in a skirt and no one ever called him a whore. There is no word like that for men, but when a woman does what a man does, she is a whore and we have an entire set of vocabularies for them. Yeah Big was douche bag and so is apparently Chris Noth.
I have to say that I don’t think the gray is working for him. It makes him look sickly. Then again, maybe that’s because he’s not wearing makeup. I look awful when I don’t cake on the under eye concealer. 😉
I’m going to marathon the first five seasons of Law and Order to remember how hot he used to be, although he really hit his stride when he was on Sex and the City.
Wow, I actually have some respect for an aspect of SATC now. It drove me crazy to watch this show with my wife. Women being successful and dating is great and should be supported/portrayed, but in the real world these women really would have gotten an STD or fired or called a whore a lot. I think Noth’s portrayal is in a more realistic light now (he was actually looking for more monogamy than any of them on the show) because as I always have told my wife: women think men go out on weekend nights and play games with women, but the truth is we’re at home on our couches with our buddies playing video games or playing pool/darts at the local pub. #menarenotcomplex #simpletons
Also, I believe there was actually an episode where Carrie slept with an international businessman as a one-night stand and he paid her. Granted, she was offended, but she did keep the money. She also kept all of the condos the guys bought her…
I never could stand the Carrie character. She always came across as stuck up to me, and prudish but on the down low, unlike Charlotte who owned her prudishness. The episode where she’s staying in the country with Aiden and does nothing but whine…and then insists that Aiden let Big come over…WHAT?
I liked Charlotte and Samantha the best. Both of them were honest about who they were and what they wanted in a relationship, or lack thereof.