Until recently June Shannon of Here Comes Honey Boo Boo has only given one brief interview, to paparazzi outside her home, following the scandal that led to the cancellation of her family’s reality show. In that instance she did not comment on the fact that she has rekindled a relationship with the man convicted of sexually abusing her oldest daughter, Anna, 10 years ago. While speaking with photographers, June only laughed and kept saying “that will all come out.” June’s behavior seemed particularly callous considering that Anna, 20, had just done an interview* in which she revealed the pain and shock at seeing her mother reunited with her molester.
Earlier this week Anna did a second interview, with Dr. Drew, in which she revealed that the man who molested her, Mark McDoniel, was most likely the father of her sister Lauryn (Pumpkin), now 14. June has four daughters who were thought to be fathered by four different men. Anna said that June told Pumpkin “that [McDaniel] was supposed to be her so-called father or whatever it is… Out of all the kids we have, Mama does not know who Pumpkin’s daddy is.” Anna added that her relationship with Pumpkin was difficult because of this. “Pumpkin thinks it’s Mark, which kind of hurts my feelings, because Mama is making her believe that someone who did that to me is her father… Now Pumpkin hates me for it.”
June has done a sit down interview with ET which will air tonight, Thursday. They’ve released a clip and some details which make this sad situation look even worse. June denies that McDaniel is Pumpkin’s father but admits that Pumpkin’s father is a different man, Michael Anthony Ford, who also fathered her daughter Jessica, 18. Ford was caught on To Catch a Predator in 2005 and is currently in prison until 2026 for sexual exploitation of minors. June admits lying to her family up until now about the identity of Pumpkin’s father.
June also claims to have only seen Mark McDaniel twice since his release from prison. Given the fact that she was photographed with him more often than that, and that she bought him a car and was seen house hunting with him, that was a lie. My brain hurts from trying to figure out this woman’s twisted logic, so I’m just going to include some quotes and details below and you can see a clip on ET’s site and below.
“I have nothing to hide, I have nothing to lose,” Shannon told ET. “I just want, honestly, to tell my side of the story and let’s move on.”
The 35-year-old TLC reality star and mother of Alana “Honey Boo Boo” Thompson came under fire in October after photos surfaced of her with McDaniel, who was recently released from jail after serving 10 years.
However, according to Mama June, she has only seen McDaniel twice since his release, once at a coincidental meeting and the second time at an arranged meeting to give closure to her daughter Pumpkin, 14, who was raised believing McDaniel was her biological father.
“Since two months to almost six years, she knew nobody but him,” Shannon explained. “She was starting to resent Anna and she was starting to ask me questions. I can’t answer those questions for Pumpkin.”
Shannon says that she arranged a second meeting with McDaniel so that Pumpkin could ask him questions in an attempt to get closure and move on.
“I was sitting right there with twelve other people,” she told ET. “It was a conversation that she wanted her answers: what happened, why did he leave, you know, if he was her real father. He admitted to her, no. I had already told her that but, you know, she wanted to hear from both sides of the story.”
Shannon also revealed for the first time her claim that Pumpkin’s biological father is also the father of her 18-year-old daughter Jessica. His name is Michael Anthony Ford, he is a convicted sex offender who served time for sexual exploitation of minors after being caught on To Catch a Predator in 2005.
“Jessica and Pumpkin have the same dad, but Jessica’s dad has had nothing to do with her over the years,” Shannon said. “So, why the hell would I open up that can of worms until today? I lied to my family and told them it was somebody else.”
As for whether Mama June understands why people were so upset over her being seen with McDaniel, she says, “I understand that…and honestly it’s not like I’m seeing him everyday, I promise…I wanted to be able to give one of my other daughters closure and now Pumpkin is happy, that piece of our life is over.”
The clip on ET was hard for me to watch because June was so defiant and nasty. What kind of mother would ever tell their child they don’t believe that they were molested and that they should never bring it up again? June admits doing this, she said she told Anna “not to bring up the past again.” Why, so she could continue a romance with this man who violated her child? What is wrong with these horrible people?
ET promises to air June’s interview in multiple parts and I don’t blame them for drawing it out, but I don’t know how much more of her lies I can take.
This is June’s face after ET’s Brooke Anderson told her “you would be horrified if you read the details” in the court documents on Mark McDaniel. In response to this, she said “I told Anna not to bring up the past again.”
Here’s the preview clip of June’s appearance:
*It’s possible that June did not know about Anna’s first interview prior to speaking with the paparazzi. Advance clips of Anna’s interview were in the press around that time.
This whole thing makes me want to vomit. Those poor children
I have never watched the show but maybe low intelligence is a factor in her handling of this issue . But whether it is or isn’t, those children have been treated appallingly, she has behaved totally unacceptably and the whole thing is a disgrace. I am not a naturally violent person at all, but anyone molesting my child would be lucky to escape intact .
She’s not mentally challenged, she has the capacity to deal with this if she wanted to. She doesn’t want to. I think her issues are more personality disorder-based, she has no capacity for empathy, even with her own children. Her needs come first. Her children never had a chance.
It is the ultimate horror show. The true life AHS Freakshow, but far more twisted & gruesome than the TV version
As a mother of two daughters, I am literally sick to my stomach watching that interview clip. He molested her baby. How in the hell can she turn a blind eye to that?!?! What does she tell herself to justify seeing him? I just can’t even wrap my brain around it. Please, someone, get those kids away from that stupid, vile, selfish, insensitive, whore of a mother.
My dad was a cop for years and he said he saw this kind of behavior all the time. He wasn’t surprised at all. It’s so sad. He said it’s a whole culture.
Her minor children should be removed from her care immediately. Loathsome, selfish, ignorant creature. I can’t think of anything bad enough to call her.
+1
yeap. what a piece of trash of a human being (and i am not using those words lightly).
She is just vile. Vile, vile, vile woman.
Well effing put, every word.
I completely agree. She is failing her children, the most important job anyone could possibly have in life.
I don’t usually like ET, but I have to give props to the reporter. I am glad that she didn’t hide her horror at what is happening to the children. June needs to answer some tough questions, and I am glad the reporter didn’t back down.
Calling someone a ‘Mama June’ is now the ultimate insult.
It is absolutely no excuse for willingly putting her children in harm’s way, but wow, this woman has ISSUES. She need some intense therapy to figure out why she is drawn to predators.
I feel so badly for all of her children.
I think she must have been a victim as a child, too. It’s the only semi-rational explanation for this.
And? She’s still a vile person. A disturbingly high percentage of people were assaulted as children and most of them do not become offenders or apologists for offenders. Also I’m not into the “low intelligence” excuse. June seems a cunning and manipulative person if we consider her behaviors (not just go on stereotypes). She’s hardly of drastically below average intelligence. Even if she was, having low intelligence is no excuse for evil behavior. It could be an excuse for being manipulated or tricked. But who is tricking her? Nobody. this mess is all June.
I would like to recommend “Something Terrible” by Dean Trippe. Not all abused kids grow up to be abusers or those who turn a blind eye to abuse. I know that’s not what you’re saying, ncboudicca.
In cases like this it’s not so much that the women are drawn to predators, but that the predators can spot them a mile away and now exactly how to get them under their spell.
That is very true, and I agree wholeheartedly. But it also takes the stupidity of her to make herself so vulnerable and dumb. Like I seriously cannot fathom this dumb chick right now, and I also believe she probably had family issues when she was growing up in irder to become this way.
I’m thinking that the predators are drawn to her. They see her, the fact that she has multiple children, and tbh, probably doesn’t get much attention due to physical factors so it’s easy for them to get in by showering her with affection. I could really only see someone with extremely low self esteem putting a man ahead of their children.
I don’t think it’s this simple, though. There are men out there (more than people think) who are into obese women. If all June wanted was male companionship, she could get that without bringing sexual predators (more than one) into her home.
What this reminds me of is the Ian Watkins case — he’s a musician in the UK who was convicted of various pedophilia offenses last year. Two of his female fans were convicted with him for basically pimping their (young) kids out to him. It’s virtually beyond comprehension for normal people who aren’t child abusers, but this kind of thing, where the female partner of a male pedophile willingly acts as his procurer and essentially offers up her own children, does happen. Often enough that it seems like it should really be considered a specific type of child sexual abuse, even if the female partner does not participate directly in the sexual acts herself.
Horribly, horribly sad.
The Other Katherine: I keep having flashes of Ian Watkins too, but from the POV of the women offering up their kids to him.
@LAK, yes, that’s what I meant. I think there’s a particular psychological pathology where a woman gets a thrill from helping or allowing a man she is sexually involved with to abuse someone else. Because children are easier prey than adults, a child the woman has control over often ends up being the victim. It’s hideous.
I agree completely. The woman has major issues. I feel somewhat badly for her because what kind if upbringing did she have to think it was ok to have any relationship with a man who molested her kid? How can she ignore her daughter’s pain? Im betting she was molested herself.
Her eldest daughter was born when she was 13 or 14, so yes, she was abused as a child herself. There’s no telling how long it went on for before she became pregnant, and it likely continued after her child was born.
I think this is a very sad case. This woman is a victim too. It doesn’t excuse her actions of course, but I think it goes a long way to explaining it. She was vulnerable as a child, and that was exploited by her abuser. Sadly, predators seem to be able to pick out the really vulnerable victims and continue to exploit them. It’s a sad reality that some victims of abuse are caught in a cycle that continues into their adulthood.
So she was basically given air time on national TV so she could lie? Disgusting. Our society is in the cr*pper. And I wouldn’t be surprised if shes lying and this predator Is Pumpkins father!
Well, really, it’s one sex offender or the other. So either way, there is no winner.
What a disgusting woman! I hope she’ll never be able to show her face in public again after this. She is seriously delusional and self-centered.
I’m sure she’ll have no problem showing her face again, because the problem is that she doesn’t believe she has done anything wrong.
It speaks volumes that she couldn’t even be bothered to read the court documents, obviously she is in deep denial. Poor Anna, what a disgusting vile woman.
Or June doesn’t need to read the court documents because she’s already fully aware of what was done to Anna.
Yes, because Anna herself told Mama Goon what the pig did to her. Poor Anna.
How is it possible that children are allowed to live with her? Disgusting human being.
It’s possible because the system is FUBAR.
It’s possible because she’s a famous person and fame is a religion here, period.
That can’t be hurting her case, but plenty of non-famous kids get sent right back to live with their shitty abusive parents, too. The system rarely serves children be they celebrities or unknowns.
This. Is sickening. Really.
so. basically she is saying she met with him so Pumpkin could know he was not her dad, because she, Pumpkin, was mad at Anna, because she, Pumpkin, thinks Anna is telling lies about her, Pumpkin’s bio dad.
WTF?
not, Pumpkin needs to know her father is NOT a convicted sexual offender. oh wait, he actually IS. Just not the dad she thought.
This is so fucked up, I cannot even think straight about it.
I feel so badly for those kids, all of them, she has screwed them up so badly 🙁
My thoughts exactly
I feel like I need to take a shower, this whole thing is just too skeezy.
She reminds me of my own mother, especially the part about telling her daughter to not bring up the past–because it dredges up uncomfortable feelings for the complicit mom and keeps her guilt in the conversation! As much as I want to hurl the most vile words at June Shannon, she isn’t worth my time. I’ll only say what I know to be true from my experience:
When your mother is complicit in your sexual abuse, you struggle with the devastation of abandonment and your hatred of her the rest of your life. The sexual violence becomes secondary to the psychological violence of maternal rejection.
AustenGirl, sadly my personal experience agrees with yours. I hope you are doing well in life and have peace, love and support. I wish you well in everything you do. And I extend that to all here who are or have suffered abuse.
There are few words to describe June Shannon, but “mother” is not one of them.
Zapp, thank you for your kind words. I’m sorry that we have more than our enjoyment of Celebitchy in common and send you my favorite word: HOPE. It has always pulled me through the dark times.
I agree with you; “Mother” describes more than a biological connection.
I reiterate what Zapp said. I wish you well Austengirl!
My experience is the same. My mother died in 1998 and I have never cried for her, nor have I ever gotten over my resentment that she knowingly put me in harm’s way. I made sure my children were well protected, but had they been molested their molester would have been dead before I called the police.
This is so true and very much how I feel about my own mother. She didn’t know at first, took me to the doctor who confirmed everything and she left him. But then let me go to his place by myself a couple months later. I got put in foster care for 6 or so months. I never forgave her for that and then she brought him back into our lives a few years later. I just cannot wrap my head around why she would do it. It still hurts and my mother has made so many poor decisions. I’m sure she feels guilty, but I do not trust her or forgive her and I don’t think I ever will.
I’m so sorry this happened to you. This was my experience also. Often the mothers are as remorseless as the predator they let in.
To the brave commenters who have shared their experiences, I want to thank you for sharing. Sometimes things can be unimaginable until you hear from someone who has experienced it. The more we understand what can happen to children, the better we will be able to address it (whether in our own families or in support of public policy).
I wish you all the best, sincerely. Big internet hugs are being sent to you.
Just such a mess. When the one bright spot is that her 4 children were fathered by only 3 men and not 4 and only 1 sex offender fathered 2 of them rather than 2 different offenders, the bar is set pretty damn low.
The whole I knew ‘something happened’ between the offender and her daughter? (This was in the Radar.com coverage of the interview.) WTF is that?! That implies that ‘something’ was possibly consensual. No, ‘something’ didn’t happen–your boyfriend molested/assaulted your child! She is so deep in denial I can’t believe it.
I also don’t think she was a victim of sexual abuse herself. She may have had a whacked upbringing, I don’t know. I think she has issues–sexual activity pretty young, young out-of-wedlock birth, multiple children by multiple partners–that caused her to be an ideal person for a predator though. But I don’t think she’s a molestation victim.
Somebody in this mess needs to get the minor children out of there.
I was Michael Ford’s first wife and while I, and June were involved with him, was way before he was accused or convicted of this. There was no way we could have known. I was with him during the time that she would have gotten pregnant with Pumpkin, and either he was super slick getting down there to see her with no car, or she is lying about this too.
Courageous of you to speak up. I’d guess the latter, that she is lying about this,too. She seems to have zero compunctions about lying as easily as she draws a breath. That’s why her kids are in danger. It is always her interests above theirs. Sad.
It’s pretty clear to me she is using Pumpkin’s paternity as a weapon to hurt Anna and as a way to keep Pumpkin under her control via much manipulation.
Yes. This woman is a liar and a manipulator.
Brave of you to speak out.
“What is wrong with these horrible people?” – indeed.
they always seemed awful and were exploiting their daughter like a freaking show pony. but i guess everyone loved them because they seemed so kind, loving to each other, and quaint? this is, of course, taking “awful” to whole new levels. absolutely disgusting.
You can’t fix stupid…. And with that, I’m out. I just CAN’T with this whole gross situation anymore.
Nothing to lose?! And what about her daughters?! But suppose it’s all alright cos she told Anna not to bring up the past… Yea, afraid things don’t work that way. What a pathetic (and that’s putting it nicely) human being. It’s completely beyond me how anyone could behave the way she does.
I do find it impressive how Anna is dealing with the situation. She comes across as a true survivor and not a victim she could have easily turned into. Her mother could learn loads from her.
No words for this fool. Thank God, Anna has the strength to move on from her toxic family and thankfully, her grandmother is also on her side!
June is a predator. She has so much hate and rage for Anna that she can’t help but show the world what a monster she is. She wants Anna to be punished for daring to speak after June told her to shut up and that is what we’re seeing. All the manipulation and cruelty going on in this interview is an attempt to tear Anna apart and let her know June will always own her. There is nothing June won’t do to get what June wants and she’s all too happy to sell out you, me, god, and the kids if that’s what it takes. If June wants a man and has to use her children as bait for pedos, so be it.
Exactly what I think too.
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. 🙁
Falkor speaks the truth, as usual!
Riddle me this: June is younger than I am, yet her grandchild is older than my youngest child.
So true. She needs to be in jail, imo.
“I have nothing to hide”… that’s why I repeatedly lie.
“I have nothing to lose”…except my children.
This woman is unbelievable. Justifications for present day interactions with the pedo. Holy crap. The interviewer’s last question about her children potentially being removed only generated an “I can’t believe this bitch just went there” look from June. That says everything we need to know about her, omg.
We need a crowd-fund/kickstarter because I will need help getting an industrial-sized vat that is large enough to hold however much oil it’s going to take to roll that THING in flour and drop her in. So this Spawn looking evil b*tch has a thing for child molesters?!! And not just any old molester-she likes the ones who victimize her own kids? Oh, lady…something is coming for you. Her name is karma, and I hear she can be a real bItch. I want this woman in jail for exposing and taking part in abusing her kids.
Kri, send me the link and I will send you a gazillion dollars. We can use the leftover funds to repeat the process for other worthless scum who’ve hurt children.
Maybe she uses her young kids to lure men into relationships with her. Because let’s face it, she’s disgusting.
BS!!! What a terrible person. I usually don’t talk about people like this but she really makes me mad. I know they’re ignorant people and everything, but this can’t be forgiven. She was (and maybe still is) having a relationship with that this Mark, now she’s telling us that it was for Pumpkin.. yes, so what about the photo with him in a bed?
Anyway I guess she would never admit, even on camera ‘he did that to my Anna’, because she doesn’t believe it, she doesn’t even want to read the file. It’s absurd. So what’s the point?
I hope she’ll never be a part of the show again (if it’ll ever be renewed -which I doubt). Sugar Bear needs to grow a pair and take Alana away.
All I have to say is that if there’s an afterlife there’s gonna be a special place in the deepest darkest pits of hell for her.
She was a shit mother before all of this, and nothing’s changed. The people that championed her before this scandal baffle me.
indeed.
June lives in a sociopathic fantasy world
I honestly want to punch her in the face. Her first interview was definitely joking about the entire thing. And now she’s trying to be more “serious” while sounding even worse. I feel bad for Alana because she is in the target age for this guy and she has no one sticking up for her (or her sisters). Anna just needs to stay away
Oh wow this whole thing just keeps getting worse. Someone needs to take her children away from her like yesterday.
ET’s reporter was excellent- she really tough and asking the right questions. She totally called out June for not reading the court documents, saying that June would be horrified if she read them- that they were way more horrific than anyone could ever imagine.
June looked surprised by how serious the questions were getting. Good! June, you are a disgrace to all woman and mothers. No one will ever think anything good about you ever again.
Yeah, sure. That *totally* explains why you were house-hunting with the sexual predator that molested your daughter. Yeah. It all makes sense now. Such an idiot.
This should show TLC (who is being praised for bailing immediately) that if you put trashy people on TV you can’t expect them to not act trashy. Why are we so surprised by June’s reaction?
This isn’t being trashy. Trashy is dating a male stripper not a convicted sex offender. This is a blatant disregard for her children’s safety and well-being.
^^^^ this. Trashy is one thing. Putting your children in danger by allowing them to be in contact with not only a pedophile, but one who already assaulted one of them is another entirely.
I stand corrected and I agree with both of you. I should have used another word like ‘trailer trash’. And this is taking the whole child molester situation out of the equation.
So Mama June is even more of a hot mess that we assumed. Also, does TLC not check or ask these things beforehand? I don’t want to speculate, but what are the odds that sex offender #1 would have appeared on the already filmed 5th season if Tmz hadn’t done the fact checking.
Why in this world would you want any kind of a relationship, especially a physical relationship, with a man who molested your very own daughter, and would likely do the same again if given the chance. She is a vile, disgusting excuse for a mother and human being!!
I have made myself only click on information from your site now because I don’t want to give the views, so I won’t be watching the clips. She deserves nothing and the news organizations need to not pay for her for time! I wish that CPS would go ahead and remove the minor children from June so that they will be safe. She is a sick monster and there is no redeeming her from dating two child molesting pedophiles, one of which hurt her own daughter and the other who fathered another daughter. It’s hard to even think of this now because it’s so disgusting.
THIRTY-FIVE. THIRTY F***ING FIVE, a mother to this many kids and she ‘looks after’ them in this way?????!!!!! Utter disgrace. They should be taken out of her care.
Fu@#$%G B$%&H!!!
That is all.
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.
I didn’t see the video but did June forgot to mention the September trip to a N.C. casino she took with McDaniel, Alana, Uncle Poodle, and his fiance? Uncle Poodle says he saw Alana in bed with McDaniel and June in their hotel room.
Article: http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/11/uncle-poodle-mama-june-child-molester-lover-daughter-trip/
Photos: http://radaronline.com/photos/uncle-poodle-honey-boo-boo-cuddling-mama-june-child-molester/photo/815701/
We have photographic proof that her minor kids were In proximity with this molester. She allowed it, she is a desperate, lonely, woman who cares only for herself. I don’t know how you could ever see the man who molested your daughter, it makes my stomach hurt. June is soooooo not only stupid but seriously evil I think. Screw her, she is more interested in male attention from multiple pedophiles than her damn children’s safety. Remove the kids and let her live life with the men she wants, which seem to be only pedophiles. It’s so sad and sick. How can Anna ever trust again? To think someone’s MOTHER could betray them in such a way makes me so sad. She doesn’t deserve children. So many moms have lost kids or can’t have kids to begin with and this nasty tramp can have four, and out them in harms way daily. F her.
I just CAN’T with these people. Horrible and sickening. TLC did the right thing canceling the show. I hope the children are all removed from this family and given a second chance at a new life, but I know the foster system is pretty f’d up. Praying they are at least strong enough to get past this and start over. Preferably with a new Mom who won’t feed them buckets of icing and subject them to child molesters.
TLC should make sure each of those girls have a very generous trust funds and enough money to get top notch therapy for years. At the very least, they should also be setting up SugarBear in a house, helping him get back on his feet and paying for his lawyers fees to get custody of Alana.
It amazes me that the Pumpkin and Alana haven’t been moved out of that house yet. At the very least, they should be with the grandmother who raised Anna.
I want to throw up! I am not kidding! I woke up and clicked on this. I should not have done that. Rage….so much RAGE! This is NOT a woman…. This is a worthless, vile, piece of GARBAGE! And pox on ET for giving her a platform to spew her grossness! My heart aches for poor Alana and all of the kids. Lock this PIG up!!!!
I find it sad that it took all this stuff about child molesting coming out before people turned on her. She should never had had a TV show in the first place when it came from exploiting her young daughter by making her do those creepy pageants which I am sure pedophiles get off on watching. That should have been enough for people to see the woman is not a good mother. This just confirms it. I really hope her children are taken away and put into someone’s care who can give them a safe and loving environment.
Scrolling down without reading to say THANK YOU! for not calling this woman “Mama June” like so many other sites. You are the first major celebrity-oriented outlet I’ve seen drop the terminology, and I really hope everyone follows your lead.
This whole scenerio reminds me of the movie To Die For where the story is told by the poor and uneducated members of the story and the villainess herself (Nicole Kidman) at the end records her whole story (minus the part where she ordered the execution of her husband) and then is found dead under the ice rink. This ignorant, obvlious women has put her children in jeopardy and yet there she sits on ET’s couch and any other trash show that will have her. She is physically unattractive, but her cold heart makes her evil. How dare they call her Mama June. Put the pig in jail and try to salvage those children.
At first glance I thought that picture of her was Kendra, you know the playboyish one!
Everyone stop saying her intelligence or education level or income has anything to do with this situation. Right now a child is being hurt, abused,raped -use any word you want. Maybe her low IQ got her caught?
These types of woman who ignore, deny or actually participate in abuse of children, particularly sexual, emotional and physical come from all walks of life.
They are in every state. She is not a one off. Society needs to wake up. These women need to be locked away with the men they collude with. End of story. No mercy.
I am not saying it is only woman in these types of roles, just commenting on this situation.
She is a sicko, self centered and her children will pay the price and carry the wounds. Hopefully they will get out of this sick dysfunction.
I can not believe people watched this show before the PR nightmare. Who would watch this? Why?
This is not a question of intelligence. Most working class mothers with only basic education are loving and fiercely protective of their children. Same with former victims of abuse.
This woman is just horrible and there is no explanation or justification for it. Pity that she has found a platform to turn her vileness into money.
All the media outlets should just direct the money to her daughters who will need all the help they can get.
mama june clearly feels some form of guilt regarding her daughter being molested. Even thought Mama june wasn’t responsible, she is responsible for protecting her daughter and feels in some way she failed as a parent. Instead of feeling guilty she tells pushes it away by telling her daughter not to talk about it because it would hurt too much
I would not be surprised if Mama June was molested herself. Having 4 kids from 4 men, starting in her teens screams past abuse to me. You can see her face, her pained reaction, knowing in her gut the truth and trying to justify her actions with since she is “okay” her daughter needs to move on and be “okay” too.
I USED to have a little bit of respect for her because it seemed at least on the surface that she had a decent head on her, as far as making sure Alanna’s money didn’t go to waste and she was supposedly keeping the majority of it in a trust fund. Now though……ick.