It’s only been a few weeks since comedian Hannibal Burress resurrected Bill Cosby’s sordid history during a standup routine that went viral, but it feels like so much longer. Hannibal’s rant followed shortly after Cosby published his Life & Times biography. Vulture has kept a running timeline of developments related to abuse charges against Cosby. The list keeps growing. Time has a detailed summary of five women who have stepped up to tell their stories since 2000. Most of these ladies talk about being drugged before Cosby did (allegedly) unspeakable things to them. Some of the alleged happenings date back to the late 1960s.
All of these rehashed developments equal bad news for Cosby, who planned to return to television this fall. He was going to play the wholesome family man in a multigenerational family comedy. Again.
I’ve said this already, but Cosby is an old pro at settling these cases out of court. It’s still worth mentioning that he’s never been charged in criminal court. He kept his mouth shut on all of the allegations until last weekend when his attorneys posted (and removed) this message on his website: “Decade-old, discredited allegations against Mr. Cosby have resurfaced. The fact that they are being repeated does not make them true. Mr. Cosby doesn’t not intend to dignify these allegations with any comment.” The only reason his lawyers even issued a “no comment” statement is because of a massive Twitter mess last week. Cosby’s camp asked users to submit photo memes on Twitter, and it turned into an ever bigger PR debacle than #AskThicke. Almost all of the Cosby meme submissions mentioned the rape, and CNN collected several of them.
Now Janice Dickinson has shared her sad and infuriating story. She says Cosby raped her in 1982. She tried to tell the story years ago in a memoir, but Cosby’s lawyers shut it down. Janice will not go quietly. She sat down for a video interview with ET. Here are the horrible details:
Janice Dickinson, now 59, recalls first meeting Cosby, now 77, when her agent set up a meeting with him to hire her for a role on The Cosby Show. After they had dinner, she says their next conversation was when he called her out of the blue while she was in rehab for drugs and alcohol. Following her stay in rehab, Dickinson says Cosby reached out to her during a trip to Bali and had her travel to Lake Tahoe, because he was performing there and wanted to offer her the job they had discussed as well as help her with a singing career.
Dickinson says they had dinner in Lake Tahoe, and claims that he gave her a glass of red wine and a pill, which she asked for because she was menstruating and had stomach pains. And that’s when she tells ET that things took a disturbing turn.
“The next morning I woke up, and I wasn’t wearing my pajamas, and I remember before I passed out that I had been sexually assaulted by this man,” she tells ET. “… Before I woke up in the morning, the last thing I remember was Bill Cosby in a patchwork robe, dropping his robe and getting on top of me. And I remember a lot of pain. The next morning I remember waking up with my pajamas off and there was s*men in between my legs.”
Dickinson also says she tried to write about the assault in her 2002 autobiography No Lifeguard on Duty: The Accidental Life of the World’s First Supermodel, but claims that when she submitted a draft with her full story to HarperCollins, Cosby and his lawyers pressured her and the publisher to remove the details.
“I’m doing this because it’s the right thing to do, and it happened to me, and this is the true story,” she says about coming out with her story now. “I believe all the other women.”
Dickinson says that keeping the alleged sexual assault a secret for 32 years drove her to a life of hurting herself.
“Stuffing feelings of rape and my unresolved issued with this incident has drove me into a life of trying to hurt myself because I didn’t have counsel and I was afraid,” she says. “I was afraid of the consequences. I was afraid of being labeled a wh*re or a sl*t and trying to sleep my way to the top of a career that never took place.”
But now Dickinson, who says she never confronted Cosby after the alleged incident, doesn’t mince words when it comes to what she would say to him now.
“How dare you,” she says. “Go f*** yourself. How dare you take advantage of me. And I hope you rot.”
[From ET Online]
This story is awful. Just terrible. I’m glad Janice is speaking up. These women will probably never see justice, but if they can stop Cosby from making a triumphant return to family television, so be it. Cosby’s armor has been dented. His scheduled appearances on both David Letterman and Queen Latifah’s shows have been cancelled. Netflix postponed his upcoming Thanksgiving special. Good.
Photos courtesy of Fame/Flynet & WENN
Geh. I went to elementary school in South Lake Tahoe in the 80s. And I remember seeing Bill Cosby’s name up all the time at the casinos. He was a celebrity-regular around town. Everyone just LOVED him. Ug.
On a happier note Janice dickinsons jacket is the tits.
“the tits”?! I’ve never heard that, but it’s awesome and I’m going to use it.
in the right company, of course.
Are you a Brit? Because I use that phrasing a lot too 🙂
I totally believe her.
What a shame it’s taken so long for this to come out.
It feels really sad to have a wholesome piece of your childhood ripped away ,and perverted by the sad and despicable truth that was going on behind the scenes . Still I applaud every woman whose been speaking out about this.
I agree. This makes me really sad. In Australia and the UK we had a hero of our childhood taken recently. A man named Rolf Harris who used to be a much loved family television personality has been found guilty of child abuse and is now in prison. I think we all felt so betrayed, we loved this man and let him into our homes via the tv every Saturday night. The same is true of Bill Cosby, for many of us overseas, he was the first time we had seen a black American shown in a positive family manner now we suspect that this man was far from positive. I personally feel betrayed and cheated when something like this happens. Perhaps I have no right to feel this way but I do.
I nearly arranged a visit with Rolf and some athletes I worked with just before London as he ended up being in town, I’m glad I never ended up having time to do it.
On a slightly morbid but funny note my husband’s grandfather is a dead ringer for Rolf, to the point he used to get stopped for autographs and photos pretty regularly. He now just kinda gets dirty side eyes.
He has always seemed like a creep to me and I never thought he was charming or funny. Now I know why. The gut never lies.
After all his lectures to African Americans about welfare moms, “talking black” and dressing like thugs – who is the thug now? You know he’ll never get punished for any of this, but hopefully it’ll get him off our screens until the end of his pitiful life.
I commend her for speaking out.
Bingo! Good to know I’m not the only one who has always thought that. I think some people just have good natural instincts for weirdos. And she was sexually abused by her father too. How sad.
I for one am not giving up on him FINALLY getting charged and convicted.
“I for one am not giving up on him FINALLY getting charged and convicted. ”
I am not either.
So, I assume that there is a statute of limitations–so the victims that were assaulted all those years ago can’t have their day in court. But unfortunately, it is not likely that he STOPPED assaulting women decades ago. All it takes is one more current victim speaking up NOW. And maybe seeing all these otherstories will give someone the courage to do so?
The article mentioned that he has never been convicted and settles out of court. Does “settling out of court” mean that the victims were given hush money basically? If so, I guess justice will not happen until someone comes forward that wants to press charges AND doesn’t need any money. So gross that he has been able to continually do this over the course of his entire lifetime and get away with it.
Me too. He always reminded me of my dad for some reason, it gave me the heebie-jeebies (granted, my dad never did the things Bill did, but he was a creep and inappropriate nonetheless.) I probably didn’t like Bill because of the way he came across as controlling and holier-than-thou in writing. I remember reading a book of his when I was really young at my step-grandparents’ house, I think it was “Fatherhood.” Something about the way he wrote as though he was sitting atop a mountain with all the answers, I didn’t have words for it at the time but I just knew I didn’t like or trust him.
Omg @Hope I came across that book when I was a little kid too! I totally forgot about it until you mentioned it. I stopped reading right as he started talking about the complexities of fathering little girls. He started joking around about prepubescent breasts, and wouldn’t let it go. I snapped the book shut. It gave me the heebie jeebies. Bleh.
I am mostly. There are time limitations to file reports. Unless he’s done it within a timeline and a state/land that can still be active he can only be convicted in the public’s mind. And for a man like him that’s worse than in a courtrom.
He’s horrible. And good for Janice speaking up. In the past when she chimed in it didn’t seem like she was lucid. Here I believe this. It will be a good day when Cosby is no longer offered anything.
Sixteen women or approximately that many, say he raped them.
I am waiting for Lisa Bonet to corroborate the story. I remember a reunion show or something in which all the old female stars of the Cosby show talked about how Lisa Bonet disrespected Bill Cosby all the time on set. They were jealous and confused as to how she landed a Different World. I always thought he did something to her and he paid her off by giving her that show.
Sorry if that sounds weird but that is what I have always thought and felt. I always got a weird vibe off of his relationship with her.
OMG DeniseMich I’ve been thinking about Lisa Bonet too! Their whole dynamic was sooo weird I remember! Lisa and her roles on The Cosby show and a Diff World have been on my mind all dang day!! I just kept remembering that Lisa has always backed out of those specials/reunions and I too remember she and Cosby having this weird animosity and first she was on the show, then not, then she got a different world but then she got booted or left that show, then she took that Mickey Roark R rated movie and Cosby seemed to lose his mind and try to exact retribution. He just seemed weirdly too involved in her life at the time. Ugh. I hope he didn’t mess with that girl. Lisa’s career never did go anywhere…makes me glad she had Lenny at the time and lord, dont let Jason momoa hear anything bad hppened to his girl. Look out.
To DenisePayne – completely off topic but I had NO idea Jason & Lisa were married! How the heck did that get past me. What an unbelievably cute couple.
And yes, I certainly hope he didn’t mess with Lisa. If he did I hope she comes out then maybe people will start believing. The rest of my family is in kind of a denial, but I think it’s kind of like Michael Jackson. But my family was very quick to judge him guilty. I think it just shows what great work Cosby did on his image. He was believable (to me anyway) as this warm family guy.
I’ve always had a strange feeling about him too. Couldn’t put my finger on it.
I remember back in the day he had a huge problem with Lisa Bonet being with Lenny Kravitz.
I also had a huge problem with Lisa being with Lenny.
Mostly because I had a major crush on him. Or rather it was Entirely because I had a major crush on him. Still do. *swoon*
He needs to FEEL the weight of the scorn, these women felt, I hope they ALL come out, and speak up, they have been silenced long enough, UGH I shudder at the Thought of this man naked
Also ( cause I have a Male friend that keeps asking me daily about why this is all coming out now and why this and that, ya know questioning the victim a lil too much) the only reason this happened to Janice ONCE is cause she was almost an equal to him, and so the power differential was minimal, she didnt need him amd STILL he managed to shush her out in her book cause she is a known mess and former druggie so she isn’t a perfect victim, My friend kept asking how they could go back etc and why not report it but he doesn’t understand how we are raised to be accommodating and compliant and nice and to not be troublemakers and what is like needing a job and knowing a CHARISMATIC venerable person “took a liking to you” or “offered you an opportunity” and then what is like to be Gaslit/ confused and silenced and think.. look maybe I agreed? maybe I said yes somehow, Maybe nothing happened? Im confused, no one is gonna believe me
UGH
Sorry all of this makes me furious cause it’s Patriarchy and abuse of trust and power and just grossness at its finest, and frankly I side eye him, people offering him money to keep being a preachy a-hole on tv and his wife cause I’m sure his modus operandi isn’t news to her
Exactly, QQ. Spot on. I’ve been horrified by comment threads I’ve seen while reading the news on this guy over the past few days. As a woman, and one who’s been in a similar situation, it really hurts.
and, on top of what you said QQ, the basically-institutionalized “slut shaming” and victim-blaming that our justice system (and society) were engaged in when it came to rape victims for decades didn’t help matters.
exactly, NOTHING is lost by BELIEVING a woman and then INVESTIGATING ffs, if a person gets cleared blast it from the rooftops, this bs that ” women lie” is like NO shut up is a percentage on the single digits, how about women Don’t REPORT, or GET JUSTICE, or GET SLUT SHAMED when they do report and aren’t raped by a stranger and beaten within inches of their lives and this type of crap is WHY is under reported in the first place?? UGH
Just speaking to Cosby cases. These women didn’t know eachother. Their accounts were very much the same. How was this ignored for so long!?
QQ
Speaking only for myself. I was assaulted. I woke up to it, fought back, and was beaten until I stopped fighting. I had evidence in spades and reported. Witnesses, bloodwork, xrays, and a kit results. You’d think with that i’d be believed.
If I had any clue what kind of shaming was heading my way I don’t think I would have. And if the guy was a public figure like Cosby it would be so much more terrifying.
It’s a kneejerk reaction to blame the victim. It’s easier for people that way. There’s always something the victim did that the person judging them would never do and that helps them feel safer. That they wouldn’t do what that person did and therefor wouldn’t be assaulted.
I might be oversimplifying it, but that’s my take given my experiences.
@ FLORC: I completely agree! People blame the victim to help themselves sleep well at night. I’m sorry to hear your story and I was assaulted myself with a lot of proof but was still shamed, questioned & accused. It’s an uphill battle with proof so I can imagine how difficult it is/was for these women to come forward.
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These women have been coming forward for decades trying to tell their account. That Cosby was so beloved and powerful made it tougher. And that coming forward at all should say how much these women feel the need to be heard.
Without money and only with threats against them on top of shaming from anyone who cares to. Who would willingly subject themselves to that over decades for a lie that has only brought them pain?
And i’m sorry you had to go through that too.
And empathise with your struggle against those feeling it was their place to cast aside all logic and evidence to place blame on you and your actions.
As usual qq you summed it up perfectly. And keep an eye on your friend.
Preach!
Totally. This is why I think the issue of the statute of limitations law must be revisited. Obscene man.
One of the institutions lending money to fight against changing statute of limitations is the Catholic Church.
yes, because she knew if she reported it, she would likely be labeled a slut/whore and no good would come of it because he was famous. nothing would happen to him and her life/career would be ruined.
I didn’t report it when I was passed out at a party at 16 and passed around as a party favor until i regained enough consciousness to protest. guys at the party said i did it willingly and I was called a slut and called names by people who thought I did it willingly. i was so traumatized, my mind couldn’t deal with it. I didn’t say anything back to the people who called me names. what was I supposed to do ? scream out, it’s not my fault, I was raped to people I didnt know who were calling me names? I couldn’t deal with it and so i just repressed it until later in life. It led to a life of promiscuity and drinking heavily until I finally realized I had to straighten up and get my shit together. and I was worth something.
jeezus, snowflake…I am so sorry to hear what happened to you. I’m really glad you were able to get to a more healthy place.
people suck. 🙁
Snowflake (i really want to call you special snowflake hehe) I am SO SO sorry that happened to you. It’s beautiful to read that you’ve come to know how much you’re worth after such terrible offenses were committed against you. It’s incredibly sad that as females we’re basically conditioned in such a way that when something like this happens, our first instinct is to wonder what exactly we did to invite it, to deserve it. QQ is right, it’s patriarchy and it’s another way we’re made to feel less than human. Thank you so much for being brave enough to share this, you are beautiful and strong and loved!
Snowflake,
I’m so sorry to hear this. It’s heartbreaking, but I’m glad you can talk about it now and are on the mend. So many women don’t make it that far. I just can’t believe people are taking Bill Cosby’s side in this… especially with the amount of women that have come forward.
(Special)Snowflake 🙂
That’s wonderful you can talk about it. Really amazing. And that you realized you are worth more. Being able to share can help someone going through the same.
thanks, guys, i appreciate all the nice comments. : )
Hugs Snowflake. It’s a totally shitty sorority to belong to (and there is a brotherhood on the other side of the wall who get their own bits of hell they have gone thru to. This is a equal opportunity club to join, suckage on all side for all) and I wish like hell you hadn’t made it thru your ‘pledge’ to get in… but your jacket is on the hall wall and there are thousands of fellow members around anytime you need a hug or a reminder that while you might be a sister here, we also are the ones that ~survived~. You and the rest of us had a slog thru hell, but we’re all standing together. A bit chipped maybe in places (superglue is over in the corner and behind the left door is a soundproofed room for screaming and a dummy to beat should the moment arise) but we are all survivors. So in a really odd way – Congratulations for joining too. You’re stronger then you can ever know, braver then you can imagine and have a lot of folks willing to stand beside you, believe you, and join our voices to yours.
As to the how? It’s all about Power and Standing for Cosby. Once you get the golden shield he was handed, it’s damn near teflon. It always comes down (even with evidence by the bushel) to they said/you said… and sadly folks seem predisposed to always believe the Upstanding Man over anything another says. Will be ever go to jail? I doubt it. Will he ever be punished? As much money as he has, even if he was forced to pay out in a civil court case, it wouldn’t make a dent. And while I understand, why in a sense of hopelessness and helplessness, so many woman HAVE settled for financial sums to shut up about it all (being a struggling ~anything~ makes the idea of months of lost work due to court cases, constant hammering from screaming lawyers and fans, the publicity over something so private and hurtful… it can be overwhelming and just one painful assault too many to bear) it just perpetuates the problem. The moment you assign a monetary value to a sexual assault – you’ve sold that part of yourself. You have agreed that the act had a financial remuneration and that just feeds the view, help for millennia, that women (and men) are in some way, in some parts… for sale. And all Cosby really did (in the view of a lot of folks) becomes no worse then perhaps shoplifting. Like he accidentally forgot he was wearing the hat he tried on and walked out the door. “So sorry, it happens, here I paid for it, what a stupid thing to forget, haha”
He drugged these women. He purposely drugged them for the single purpose of attacking them while unconscious. He drugged them and then he raped them. He chose to drag unconscious women to a flat surface, tear off their panties and forcibly violate them while they were totally helpless and unable to fight back. Then he walked away smirking and did it again. Sounds ugly, I know. But honestly? I’m sick to death of it being sugarcoated and hidden behind veils of double talk. He drugged, dragged and raped young women who had no chance to fight back or to stop him.
To me, and no, it’s not my own rape coloring things – Bill Cosby, if he truly did these things (and the pay out screams a solid “Yup”) is an unmitigated monster and vile piece of crap.
OMG Snowflake, thank you for sharing your horrific story. I’ve been “nearly” raped several times and managed to talk my way out of it but your story is just unconscionable. You sound like a strong woman who has gotten beyond the trauma and self-hate, and bless you for dealing with your demons and getting on with your life. Cosby has a long history of sexual abuse (see my comment at the bottom about someone I knew who was propositioned by him and told she’d lose her job if she didn’t submit). I think there is a wave of women gaining the courage to come forward with sexual abuse information, despite the fear of being dragged through the mud. Kudos to them all for being so brave and I hope this wave turns into a tsunami.
Yes! To everything you said. My image of Cosby is not tainted cause I learned a while a go to put NOBODY on a pedestal. My own history of sexual abuse has thought me that a person can seem like the nicest person in the world and still be a predator. I say that because so many people are talking about how much he’s given to charity and what he’s done for the black community etc., that citing that as reasons why he couldn’t have done these things and how the man is just trying to bring another black man down and it all makes me furious and sick to my stomach.
Yes! Why is it so difficult for people to believe that other people are not one dimensional. Someone can be a talented director AND a pedophile at the same time. Someone can be a nice neighbor and be abusive to his family. Someone can be giving, run charities and be a rapist. It’s crazy to me that because one person has a good working relationship with someone or simply likes their movies (WA, RP, etc) they feel that they can take a stance on the validity or “defend” the accuser in sexual abuse cases.
So so depressing. I so badly wanted these stories to not be true but I believe these women.
Very disgusting and disturbing to read the details and I feel for these women.
Same here. I felt the same way about Michael Jackson and all the allegations that were leveled against him.
Michael Jackson went to court and was cleared from all the allegations.
That was in 2005. In 1993 Jackson settled out of court after accusations were made against him. Bill Cosby has also settled out of court after rape allegations were made against him.
Michael Jackson went to court and was cleared of ONE set of allegations. Not ALL.
I am not familiar with the Michael Jackson trial, except for the crazy media coverage of it, I’ve understood he was cleared.
Even though he settled out of court, in both cases wasn’t there evidence that the witnesses had attempted extortion before? Or was that just the 2005 case?
Wade Robeson has since come forward about being molested by Michael Jackson. He had nothing to gain from it.
I’m glad the Cosby adult victims are taken seriously. It’s so sad that Michael Jackson’s child victims are dismissed so easily. Proving again a child has no voice.
yes he was cleared but it doesn’t mean a lot.Money and power can buy lots of things.These people are sick bu their position aloud them to be monsters without paying for their crimes
Sickening. I feel for them, too, because Cosby is or was so powerful there was little they could do.
Hopefully everyone realizes what a powerful guy he was before and during the 1980s.
And he is held up as a high moral standard. When I was younger we went to this church, where the pastor was FANATICAL about appearances. It was creepy. He wouldn’t go into dvd rental places, because he said we’d (the congregation) never know what he was renting i.e. he could’ve been renting r rated movies or porn or whatever, and he never went into restaurants that sold alcohol, because one day, someone could see him slip on the ice or whatever (we get a ton of snow) and assume he’s drunk. But he bragged that the only show he watched besides the news was the Cosby show……
Raven-Symone, who played his daughter on The Cosby Show, has come forward now and said he molested her after the series ended. Cosby also, in a stand-up routine, back in 1969, talked about drugging women and wondered how it would work using Spanish Fly. There’s no money to be gained by these women. They’re brave and strong to come forward. Maybe his punishment will be that he will not be booked for any work and will spend his last years shunned and sitting in a recliner staring at the t.v. and the phone doesn’t ring.
Poor Janice. Like the others, she knew reporting the rape would only bring her ridicule. Mr. Jello? Not possible…..
“Raven-Symone, who played his daughter on The Cosby Show, has come forward now and said he molested her after the series ended. ”
do you have a link to a story about that? that poor girl…you know, when she first arrived on the show, I always thought that he paid “special attention” to her, more so than his other TV kids. ugh, this whole thing is just gross. I hope he goes down in a ball of flames.
Actually, the Raven story (which is easy to believe, given Cosby’s history) was proven false by Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/media/notnews/ravencosby.asp
I think the Raven story is false
oh, thank goodness…at least one managed to escape his “attention”.
I doubt that is true. She doesn’t fit the victim profile, he has a pattern.
The ugly side of celebrity – getting away with pretty much any crime you want to commit and also getting to blame or slander the victim. Until society changes and stops looking at these people like they are some sort of Gods , or above and better than everyone else there will be more of this. Look at all the child abuse allegations thrown under the rug , all the other rape allegations ignored in the industry. Not to mention a multitude of other crimes committed. It’s sick. If Cosby did this ( I believe he did ) he got away with it because of who he is and the access to money and power. I applaud these women for still coming forward and I am terribly sorry for what they went through.
Exactly
+ 100000. We will all laugh at gilded butterflies.
Janice should have included the assault in her book ,but it should have been a “blind item”.
Maybe after she tried the Cosby lawyers were so threatning not even a blind item style would be allowed.
I agree. The problem with what she did include is that it’s a fabrication (albeit better than the alleged truth), but it erases credibility in terms of anything else included in her book. Blind item would have been much better.
Did anyone read about the interview one of the victims did with Don Lemon? How does he still have a job? When are we going to stop blaming victims?
Seriously how has he not been fired? The whole thing was gross I can’t believe he thought that was appropriate.
Lemon’s an ass:
CNN host Don Lemon was instantly mocked online for his awkward suggestion to an actress who recently accused comedian Bill Cosby of raping her twice in 1969, Media Matters reported.
“You know, there are ways not to perform oral sex if you didn’t want to do it,” Lemon told Jill Tarshis on Tuesday.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/twitter-mercilessly-roasts-don-lemon-for-telling-cosby-rape-accuser-theres-ways-not-to-perform-oral-sex/
that’s why rape victims don’t speak out, judgments and comments like that. that guy’s an ass.
WHAT??! Oh my god. Don Lemon. WTF. Idiot. This is all so horrifying to me. So much like the Sandusky thing..I hate to say this, but I wonder of Mrs. C ever had an inkling. I would have left his ass and called the cops.
The twitter responses in that raw link were great! People like DL are the reason it’s an uphill battle for victims in cases like this & we have rape culture. There was a judge years ago that cleared a rapist because “everyone knows you can’t get tight jeans off an unwilling partner”. It’s sad that DL, who was a victim of sexual assault himself, would victim blame like this.
Ugh. The “Skinny Jean Defense”. I can’t believe that worked (in Australia?). Because I can’t type it out I muttered some unique and orginal prophanity when that came out.
She got those jeans on. It wasn’t like she was the only one who knew how to get them off with a combination rivalring Hellraiser puzzlebox.
I’m livid.
I just googled it , saw an article about it on DM and Wow, I can not believe that. Who says that to a victim?! Surprised he didn’t ask her if she was wearing a short skirt and “asking for it” ! SMH! Also the comment he said to her about using her teeth made it seem like ” well if you didn’t want to do it ….” Unbelievable.
Yes, I saw it. It made me cringe. Even IF he really believed that Joan (the woman he was interviewing) could have defended herself in such a manner, how does bringing it up to her over 40 years later help anything in the least? It’s the old “don’t speak unless it helps” type of thing. He should be made to apologize to Joan personally and to the people that had to view the grossness.
he is a pig and should be fired. that is NOT journalism, that’s victim-blaming at its finest.
A friend of mine just pointed out to me that Lemon is himself a victim of rape/molestation:
Opinion: Don Lemon: No matter the gender, rape is rape
http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/20/don-lemon-no-matter-the-gender-rape-is-rape/
Don Lemon last year stated he was sexually abused when he was a child. I was surprised he was not more understanding of someone who was sexually abused. Maybe DL should be asked if he had bit his abuser when he was being sexually abused.
Years ago I remember reading that a woman accused Bill C of fathering a child out of wedlock, and other scandal that suddenly disappeared off the news. I’m thinking lots of abused women were paid off to make the storied disappears, jmo.
I’m completely horrified. CNN should be ashamed and this guy should be fired pronto.
omg, he needs to be fired. so i guess a rape victim is at fault if she cant keep her legs squeezed closed and her rapist manages to slide between her legs.
I just went on cnn.com and sent an email to them that he should be fired
No one should ever question someone for being raped, they should applaud them for surviving.
I hope he never gets another gig anywhere every again, disgusting man.
Suddenly makes me wonder why Lisa Bonet so desperately wanted off the Cosby Show.
whoa. good point.
*shuddering*
Yup, I think she’s got stories to tell…if she wants to tell them.
She was fired, according to rumor. For being pregnant. And now the stories about Bill Cosby just put a whole new light on everything, don’t they?
She goes and marries Lenny Kravitz in a small ceremony, doesn’t “ask permission” from her “TV dad”, he gets pissed. Then she commits the cardinal sin of getting pregnant by her husband, which means (gasp! clutch your pearls!) she had the s e x with her husband! Oh noes! According to the stories out there, she was “allowed to return” to the show after her pregnancy.
Looking back, now it seems more like Cosby was just pissed that someone else moved in on his turf, like a pedo who got interrupted while grooming his victim.
Creepy, huh?
well summarized, Izzy. probably WHY she got married.
Oh man….yeah, that sure sheds some light. Gross.
Oh my…
He was a major tv star at the time nobody would have EVER believed her…
I’m headed to the Bahamas tomorrow (not intended to be a humblebrag, but there it is!) and Cosby was scheduled to perform at the hotel tomorrow night. I just checked the website, and it looks like they’re no longer promoting it but I’m not sure if it’s cancelled.
I have to admit, I like the idea that public opinion has finally turned hard against him .
oh, you lucky girl! enjoy!
and if he’s still performing, go and heckle him!
And get the whole thing on video!
While I am happy these women can finally speak, another part of me cannot help but think: Cosby shows have been canceled or postponed, while Polansky and Allen get Oscars and awards.
Double standards I suppose.
I completely agree with Eleonor. I think it´s a good thing that this has come out, but – as Eleonor says – it´s sad how some people still has respect in the media business. When you adopt a child it´s to give the child a home and love her/him as a parent. It is not someone of whom you should think of as a potential partner.
Double standards for sure. Your comment left me a bit at a loss as to what to think.
On the one hand, there is no denying that there is a double standard here. Of course, it is hard for me to CARE if Cosby is treated “unfairly” . I would like to see all 3 brought to justice obviously.
Who actually opened it up was Hannibal Buress, a black comedian talking about Bill Cosby, the rapist, in his act. Until then, no woman was able to bring it front and center like he has.
Mel Gibson was essentially shunned by just about everyone in Hollywood for things he said during an alcohol fueled rage.
Everyone has known for years that Cosby is a repugnant criminal but chose to ignore it.
…and he beat his wife.
But he still has the support of Jodie Foster and Robert Downey jr, who has a major debt with him I know, but…
Omg…. Good point, and well said!
I see the double standard, too. NOT THAT IT MATTERS, BECAUSE THEY ALL ARE ***HOLES!
I have been wondering why there hasn’t been more coverage about Stephen Collins. He admitted to his molestations, but where is his media coverage? Why hasn’t he been put on trial yet? Where are all of his victims and their stories?
When his wife taped his confession, he didn’t know the names of the victims other than his wife’s relative. It’s hard to press charges when you don’t know who the victims are. Plus, statute of limitations …….
Not to downplay Dylan’s assault, but Woody Allen doesn’t seem to be consistently in the new for molestation allegations and maybe thats the difference? Im not saying its right either way but maybe thats why he gets a pass in the media. Because its one allegation from years ago and nothing since.
I tend to believe her solely because her description fits so well with what all the other women have said. In addition, she talked about him at length in her 2002 book and even without discussing the rape, she still paints a really nasty picture of him (basically that he took her to dinner and then acted terribly when she indicated that she did not want to sleep with him).
Cosby needs to just go away. He’s basically won at this point, right? The statute of limitations protects him on all these accusations (unless a more recent accuser comes forward). Only one of them ever sued him. Why does he continue to try to place himself out there? You have a wife who is standing by you. Just go away with your money and live your years in obscurity. How hard is that?
I was reading this story yesterday on a news site and the comments left me feeling nauseous. People wrote her off as a “fame whore” and “attention starved” and that seemed to be enough to discredit these allegations.
The fact is there isn’t a “type” of woman that rapists target, she only has to he vulnerable in that moment. A school teacher can be raped, a stripper can be raped, a broken down addict can be raped…and a woman’s past behavior should never, ever, come in to play when determining if she has been raped. Especially not by a community of people who are ignorant of the facts. We can’t possibly know if these allegations are true or not, but we can stop beating women down for their pasts when deciding whether or not an atrocious crime has been committed against them.
I’m not defending Cosby but I don’t believe a word Janice says. She’s a pathetic excuse for a human. She’s just looking for publicity.
Shame on you @Lara Morgana.
Perhaps the fact that she was a gorgeous young model at a tender age who was treated so badly by men, including Cosby, made her into the unstable person she is now. Did you ever think of that?
You just defended Cosby.
And earned an A+ Double Plus Good in Victim Shaming.
If you’re not defending the victim, you’re defending the perpetrator. You defended Cosby.
See that’s what makes this so insidious. Troubled females are often the ones targetted by perpetrators. My gut tells me she’s telling the truth but I understand why her history makes others doubt her.
What always stuck in my head was that all his children’s name start with E for Excellence. Give me a BREAK! What a smug, pretentious old goat. I believe it ALL.
I read Janice’s book, No Lifeguard on Duty, and I was waiting for this -although it was not described in full detail, once these allegations came back up regarding his behaviors with women, I was wondering if Janice would speak out, and what really went down when she met with him in Lake Tahoe.
Same. I remember reading her book and she touched on it, but then on Howard Stern to promote she said his lawyers shut down a lot of what she was saying. So… it’s not like she’s kept quiet about it. She’s been trying. But money and power.
Cosby is DONE, Finished.
It’s a shocker that Hollywood kept these secrets under the radar for so many decades, because many of these women were talking, but the stories were getting squelched.
This is why I always say …..there could always be a whole different side and a lot more to some of these stars than meets the eye.
Mr. Cosby disgusting, IMO
Back in the 90s my friend’s friend was a struggling young actress. She met Bill Cosby at some job and he immediately took a liking to her. He offered to be her mentor and was for a little bit. That is until he propositioned her. When she rebuffedhis advances, he dropped her and told her he was too “busy” to mentor her. He never attacked her but it was clear if she wasn’t going to put out, he wasn’t going to help her career. This was 20 years ago so these allegations don’t surprise me one bit.
I also worked with Janice on one of her shows and she was a complete nut
He probably thought nobody would believe Janice BECAUSE she’s a complete nut. These people pick their victims carefully.
Exactly
Scuttlebutt is he did this to Kate Walsh. She was supposed to have a big part on A Different World, but wouldn’t sleep with him, and was able to not be roofied.
I hope all these rich and powerful abusers get whats coming to them, they all do unspeakable things to defenseless women and children and get away with it. They all protect each other like some country club,look at what’s recently being unearthed in UK with all these sick politicians and entertainers, imagine what happens in poorer countries where they can’t quite speak out as much. smh
It’s awful if this happened to her. I’m confused about the book part, though. Do publishers always alert the legal team of people mentioned in memoirs, is that standard practice? Also, Janice has never seemed to be the kind of person to let anyone shush her. So I’m surprised she let it happen in regards to her book. I guess she feels like there is safety in numbers now that other women are coming forward.
It’s not unusual to clear the mentions of real people in a book like that. The publisher worries about getting sued and sometimes small changes are made in compromise. But a story like this?! A lawsuit is guaranteed! It’s clear though that once Cosby’s people threatened to sue the publisher lay down right away without a fight.
But Woody Allen is a genius so it’s cool what he did? The double standard of Hollywood. A court of law never convicted Allen either.
I think they are both gross pervs. There are probably a ton more old pervs out there we haven’t heard about
I’m glad you’re reporting on this. Cosby has been allowed to sweep this under the carpet for far too long.
I watched The Cosby Show growing up too, like many posters here, but never cared for Cosby himself. Too smug, too self-righteous, with a soupcon of creepy.
Agree with the poster who says Lisa Bonet’s unceremonious ditching of the show makes more sense now.
Excellent article by Ta-Nehisi Coates in The Atlantic:
“I published a reported essay in 2008, in this magazine, on these call-outs. In that essay, there is a brief and limp mention of the accusations against Cosby. Despite my opinions on Cosby suffusing the piece, there was no opinion offered on the rape accusations. This is not because I did not have an opinion. I felt at the time that I was taking on Cosby’s moralizing and wanted to stand on those things that I could definitively prove. Lacking physical evidence, adjudicating rape accusations is a murky business for journalists. But believing Bill Cosby does not require you to take one person’s word over another—it requires you take one person’s word over 15 others.
At the time I wrote the piece, it was 13 peoples’ word—and I believed them. Put differently, I believed that Bill Cosby was a rapist.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/11/the-cosby-show/382891/?single_page=true
Thanks for the link, that’s a good piece.
In Canada we’re also dealing with a media darling who has crashed & burned. Remember the guy on CBC Radio who interviewed Billy Bob Thornton a few years ago, when BB acted like an ass because he didn’t want to answer any questions other than about his music? That guy is Jian Ghomeshi, & he’s been fired by CBC a few weeks ago because it was discovered he likes rough sex, which he claims has always been consensual. In order to prove this, he showed his bosses at CBC some video (on his CBC-provided smart phone). of himself telling a woman to do things & showing her bruises, which he inflicted, & because she did said things, it’s all okay.
Then many women came forward & reported how while on dates with him, they’d be just playing kissy face with him, & he’d suddenly start choking them, or throwing them on the floor & punching them in the head. Three women have gone to the police, & he’s being investigated.
I liked Jian when I watched him on Play, but I didn’t know anything about him beyond general biographical info. Hadn’t paid attention to him in years. Three weeks ago, when this story breaks and he puts that PR penned piece on his FB page, a friend of mine, who’s a journalist, but not entertainment and not in Toronto, noted that many of his journalist friends in Toronto who’d dealt with JG for years and had always found him creepy. Turns out JG is another one who those in the business knew about but only now is it all coming to light.
Another disgusting version of the same story. Jian was another media darling with a violent, evil underbelly. He tried to publicly blame the victim(s) – saying the first woman who came forward was just a “woman scorned”, trying to get revenge, and that the violence against her was “consensual”. And in his Facebook denial trying to get ahead of the story, the vast majority of people were all “Oh Jian, we support you against this awful woman.” Yeah, not sure in what world head punches and cracking ribcages is what passes for “consensual” sex play.
Only a few days later, however, the numbers of other women coming forward with stories was rising, and the tide of public opinion had turned. What’s sad is that the public was never aware of the industry whispers that had been going on for years. His fame and power protected him, and gave him an aura that helped to silence victims. Thank goodness he’s finished.
I had stopped listening to “Q” a few years ago, just because I found him too slick & full of himself. I had a definite sense that he was a player. But what seals the deal about just how creepy & delusional he is, is his thinking that actually showing his sex videos (starring himself!) & text messages TO HIS BOSSES would help him.
The dude is truly twisted!
Yep, this Cosby scandal has definite shades of what happened to Gomeshi. Two powerful men in the media who thought they could abuse the power they had over women. It makes me proud that these women (and men like Hannibal Burres) refuse to let these two men get away with it any longer. Janice Dickinson has her issues, but I believe her 100%.
Ugh, I liked him. Now I’m side-eyeing every male celebrity:P.
wow!
Is every lovable tv dad a creep? Sad.
Hm….
– Bill Cosby
– Stephen Collins
– Alan Thicke (general creepiness, not criminal)
Who else?
Oh there’s more coming……we still haven’t heard all on those parties that Hollywood director/producer/guy was having wooing young men….forget his name.
@someonestolemyname1
Bryan Singer–and an Oscar winning director of documentaries (a woman whose name I can’t remember) has just done a documentary that balls out accuses him…..
Yes…thank you, Virgilia Coriolanus
“Bryan Singer”that’s the guy….I think there’s a lot more coming on that too.
apparently, Robert Reed (Mike Brady) was quite a wonderful man, looking out for his TV kids as if they were his own.
I seem to remember hearing that the father on My Three Sons was a good guy, too.
Interesting. It’s good to hear that Robert Reed was good to the cast/not a molester, but I’d always heard he was a diva, constantly complaining that he was a classically trained actor and that BB was beneath him. Kinda burst my bubble cuz I was a huge BB fan back in the day.
I saw a BB doc years ago with home movies, etc and the ,ids all adored Robert Reed.
The Family Ties cast is pretty close so I would add Michael Gross to the ‘good TV dad’ list.
I never heard a bad thing about James Avery (Uncle Phil).
She didn’t take the story out of the book, her dinner with him, but where she says now she doesn’t remember much after dinner after he gave her a pill until the morning, this is what she wrote in the book below. Did she make all of this up in the book then? She remembers conversations after dinner, going to his hotel room, having a not so nice discussion with him when she decided not to go in, and him slamming the door in her face. Now she says she remembers nothing after dinner until she woke up in the morning in her hotel room with no pajamas on and remembers him attacking her the night before.
“After dinner he asked me back to his room, and I went. But I stopped myself at the door. ‘I’m exhausted,’ I said, begging off. His eyebrows went a little funny.
‘Exhausted?’ he asked, and it was clear he was trying hard to keep his temper in check. ‘After all I’ve done for you, that’s what I get? I’m exhausted.’
‘Well, gee, Bill,’ I stammered. ‘If I had known it was going to be like this—’ He waved both hands in front of my face, silencing me. Then he gave me the dirtiest, meanest look in the world, stepped into his suite, and slammed the door in my face.”
Now her story is he doped her at dinner and it’s a blur, remembering nothing, until the morning waking up in the morning in her hotel room with no pajamas on and having a flashback of him sexually attacking her.
He’s a pig and drugged women. Janice? I’m not so sure.
Crosby’s lawyer said her publisher was never contacted because there was no rape story ever in her book in that they never heard of such a story in her book and that her publisher can be contacted and they will verify that they never contacted them and put pressure on the publisher to remove anything in her book about him.
This sounds about right. I believe all the other women but Janice has definite credibility issues.
One correction. It wasn’t a hotel. It was his house.
Yeah, Janice is iffy to me. I believe all of the other women, though.
Change back. I was right the first time. It was a hotel. I saw another interview where it said his house and confused me.
I wish I could believe Janice. But, alas…
I don’t believe in gods or devils, I don’t believe in karma, I don’t believe in hell, but I do believe in chaos. This man has painted a picture of moral perfection to hide the chaos beneath. My fervent wish is for all of the play pretend to peel away and show us the true nature of the beast below. May he be left to waste away in the sea of sorrow he has cast so many others into, and may no hand lift him to safety. The nerve of a man who chastises people for daring to use vernacular that makes His Royal Highness uncomfy while he’s out sexually assaulting people! I hope this condescending holier than thou m-f-er rots among the ashes of his tainted dynasty.
Yes. This.
I think this is a case where you have more faith than me. I don’t trust humans to naturally gravitate towards right actions – it’s nice when we do, but too many of us don’t. I don’t believe any of the Cosby victims will get real justice. I don’t believe Samantha Gimley (I think that was her last name) – Polanski’s victim – or Dylan Farrow will ever get real justice (the latter two have had to watch their attackers win Oscars!). In one way, that’s why I appreciate religion, because it makes clear that right actions aren’t generally instinctive for us. We have to work on it. I’m not a moral relativist; I believe that objective right and wrong can exist, and that the nature of universe enforces them. Otherwise, I would have to believe that acts of true, genuine evil can go unanswered and un-avenged. Maybe it is very cynical of me to believe that humans just aren’t that good at handling stuff like this, but sadly, in my line of work, it comes up too often for me to believe otherwise. But I have no doubt that when Cosby passes (as he probably will soon, being 77 and all), we will be treated to some very tone-deaf articles and memorials.
I didn’t say that I thought there would be justice, because there likely won’t be. Through our back and fourths (which are always a pleasure btw) it seems we have similar thoughts on justice or rather the severe lack of it in our world. My comment was centered around the man himself. Without the image he’s cultivated and hidden behind from the jump, he will be exposed. His whole appeal was goodness and there is no goodness to be seen now. This is the way that empires crumble and I fervently wish with all that I am that this man will fall to the bottom and then fall some more. His NBC show is not going to be and that makes me smile because I’m petty and I want to see him brought down.
Oh, I wish the same as you – I hope that he comes to be remembered for this above anything else. Sadly, I have doubts that will happen. A lot of people are engaging in some serious denialism and rationalization right now. A lot of people are saying he’s being set up for daring to “speak the truth” about black people (which I guess is a reference to the notorious pound cake speech). I suppose I’m fairly cynical when it comes to people. I am incredibly glad NBC cancelled his pilot, because that’s the right result. However, I worry because NBC probably didn’t do it because they care about rape victims, they did it because they fear bad PR more. I guess that’s what bothers me the most – even the people ditching Cosby don’t seem to care about the victims as much as they care about themselves. It sucks. I guess that’s why I try to maintain some kind of faith that Bill Cosby will have to answer appropriately at some point. Right now, I don’t think he’s really answering.
You speak nothing but the truth and that’s one bleak, scary truth. *sniffles* Hold me @same, the futility of it all has toppled me.
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#IBelieveThem
I was never pro or con Bill Cosby because I didn’t follow the original story/stories, but now there’s a clear pattern of “alleged” criminality. What with recent revelations in Canada about Jian Ghomeshi, I truly hope all women everywhere, anywhere, start believing that they will be believed when they stand up and report. We need to turn the tide. Radically. It’s more than time.
+1
Whether you believe Janice or not 13+ other women have said they were drugged by Cosby.Cosby joked about drugging a woman way back in 1969.Has he denied knowing these women? Has he denied having sex with them? How many women has this man who has been married 50 years,had sex with?Whether he drugged them or not his legacy is ruined in my mind.Almost all these women were in their teens(17-19).
Almost as much a red flag to me, is the fact that HE has not sued any of the women who have come forward, on the grounds of defamation or slander. Because if he did, that would mean a trial, and all sorts of sordid things would come out on the record. The fact that he hasn’t pursued that speaks volumes, IMO.
The one civil case against him which he settled, he did so after he and his lawyers realized that the plaintiff’s parade of THIRTEEN WITNESSES would paint an ugly picture of him. And it would all be on the record.
Stories like this will continue until we make men responsible for their own self-control.
She asked for it is not an acceptable excuse. It’s archaic that people not only still believe this in their bones, but teach this standard of failed human compassion to their children.
We condemn women for not maintaining control of their sobriety and “putting themselves in this position.”
But somehow, we are supposed to excuse men who cannot control their own sexual urges and violent conduct?
Because rape is violence, not sex. It is violence conducted via sex.
I hope he and everyone who thinks and behaves like him burns.
This goes far past self-control of his sexual urges. His goes into the violent category to me, because he is having sex with women without their consent. He is a sexual predator/rapist.
This is a man who preys on very young, late teens, to early 20s young women and drugs them. He gets off on rendering a woman incapacitated and screwing them in that state, not a willing participant. That is a rapist, in my book. That’s not a man picking young women and promising things and pushing sex on them and they give in to get the job. Bill is drugging them so he can do what he wants to to a woman who can’t fight back or is unconsciousness. He is beyond sick.
This woman’s story is horrifying, to me. So drugged, you can’t really move and think and with a stronger man in your bedroom with all that power over you.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2839540/I-thought-kill-Lawyer-FIFTH-Bill-Cosby-assault-victim-speak-reveals-drugged-comic-couldn-t-control-body-couldn-t-walk-thought-dying.html
I did say violence, didn’t I?
@MIss Melissa. Yes. I was agreeing he fell into that category.
Still a fan.
How do you sleep at night?
Likely under a bridge. Troll?
OK. Why don’t you go have a few drinks with him? See how that turns out? Willing to risk it?
Hello Bill.
I remember seeing this clip of him and Sofia Vergara and I thought that he seemed so creepy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUqdhCsNsCo
I was never into the Cosby some for some reason. I always watched another show on an opposite channel.
Wow, Bill Cosby really is the classic wolf in sheep’s clothing.
It makes you wonder how much of his carefully cultivated ‘family man’ image was so that he could get away with this stuff all the more easily…
/shudder/
/dry heave/
I will be very curious to see if any of his co-workers stand up for him. Maybe they never saw that side of him but if he was such a latent creep I wouldn’t be surprised if maybe some of the women he worked with sensed it or worse experienced harassment on some level. I wonder if they will be brave enough to speak out. I did adore the Cosby Show, I was just the right age for it, so it is sad that the legacy of the show will be tainted now. I tend to believe that most if not all of the stories are true, the ones I don’t get though are the women that put themselves back in his orbit/control after they knew he raped them. And no, it’s not a judgement, but personally I just don’t know how they could bear to be around him after that. No amount of rent money or career “help” is worth being repeatedly raped. Plenty of struggling actresses get by without putting themselves at the mercy of such a sick situation. I truly hope his accomplices are brought into the spotlight as well, it will be interesting to see how or if this proceeds with the statute of limitations.
Wow, I just googled and he is already denying Dickinson’s story – interesting. He’s clearly feeling the heat, http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/bill-cosby-denies-raped-janice-4654902
She is pretty well known in the U.K. for doing reality shows, she is the highest profile victim so far that I know of, I think his denial if anything seems desperate at this point.
If it’s such B.S., he should put his money where his mouth is and sue for defamation and slander. If he doesn’t, just like he hasn’t with any of the other victims, it speaks volumes IMO.
I overheard two African American women at work today lamenting how BC’s is totally being set up. They were so disparaging and dismissive of his alleged victims (“they’re frauds, they’re in it for the money etc.”) it was shocking. No wonder he gets away with this shit. 🙁
I worked with a lovely East Indian model wayyyy back in the 1970s who had auditioned for a small walk-on part in one of Cosby’s stage shows. She said he was a total sleaze-ball and came onto her big time, he said if she slept with him she’d have the job, but if not, adios. She chose “adios”.
Yup. Let him spend rest of his life in disgrace and shame. I have no problem with that!
Much appreciation to all for sharing their thoughts and stories on this serious matter. Kudos to Celebitchy for being the only entertainment gossip site offering a space for escape but also a space that very often facilitates smart, insightful commentary.
I believe Janice. But elsewhere people are excusing him because he is Dr Huxtable.
I’m more freaked out and disheartened by this than any celeb story in a long long time.
I think it’s because his crimes are so scary violent and his persona was so clean-cut and perfect. The Cosby Show was HUGE in the early 80s. He was like America’s Dad!
(If Seventh Heaven had been as big as The Cosby Show I’m sure I’d feel as freaked out by the Stephen Collins revelations)
As far as Cosby’s crimes – He’s nothing more than a scary fucking garden variety serial rapist. Seriously the dude should be a case on the Investigation Discovery channel!
As far as Janice goes – yes she does have credibility issues but her story is consistent with the other women’s stories. And my gut tells me she’s not lying about this. I think troubled and/or vulnerable women and girls are often targetted by perps so that part is consistent too.
We, as a society, need to quit letting the media delude us about celebrities. These people all have personal lives and some of them ain’t too pretty obviously. The celebrity has all these pr people, lawyers, and whoever else to cover their tracks and make sure it all goes under the rug and they are only seen as these great, perfect public figures. And we just fall for it hook, line and sinker. We need to stop feeding money into all these people we really know absolutely nothing about because most of them never show their true selves to the public.
I agree with the poster who pointed out Cosby’s past and how he looked down upon black people by having the opinion about “talking black.” He always looked down on his own culture. A real snob, thought he was all that. Many cultures have a more familiar, colloquial way of expressing themselves, and there isn’t anything wrong with that. What makes me laugh is
Cosby would have one think that he is soooooooo educated. Heck, I’ve never heard the King’s
English coming out of his mouth either! I started having the opinion, that deep down Cosby had a racial issue with his own roots. Then the “Cosby Show.” Oh brother, talk about a bourgeiosie take on African Americans. I thought the show was phoney, and as if they were trying to hard. He is a big SELL OUT, for sure!
Well, and regarding all the women coming forward, good for them! What a schmuck!
I was always suspicious of him, w/his goodey two shoes self promotion, never believed it.
He’s looking like jello, if you ask me.