Jon Hamm has done another weird British project. This one is called Black Mirror: White Christmas, and it looks really bizarre and like some of the darkest counterprogramming for the normal happy-Christmas films. So, The Hamm is doing some promotion for the TV movie over in the UK. I’ll say this about Hamm… when he speaks, it’s usually something notable. We’re past the moment when photos of The Hamm were immediately published and everyone wanted to look at him. But he’s always got interesting stuff to say, about the world, about feminism, about social media and fame and Kim Kardashian. Here are some assorted quotes from his Radio Times interview:
He believes he’s old & irrelevant: “Other than being old and irrelevant in the current media landscape I don’t think about technology. Ask anyone under the age of twenty if they have heard of me and they will go ‘no, that guy looks like my dad’. It doesn’t compute to the generation that most of Hollywood cares about, If your last name’s not Hemsworth or you are not in One Direction or you don’t wear a cape and tights for a living, you literally have a hard time making an impression.”
On the superhero roles: Hamm said he had “been in contention for quite a few of those” and said he was glad he made the “right decision” to say no to them, although he didn’t name the movies in question. “The deals that they make you do are so draconian. And, of course, you are signed on for not only the movie that you are signed on for… but at least two more that you haven’t read and you have no idea what they are going to be and all the crossover ones you are going to have to do. For me to sign on now to do a superhero movie would mean I would be working until I am fifty as that particular superhero. It’s a lot of work at one thing which is not necessarily the reason I got into the business which is to do many things. If you want to spend all day pressing the same key that… seems an odd choice.”
He’s terrified of social media: “It’s partly why I don’t have any presence on social networking. Being an actor in the public eye and a quasi-celebrity is weird enough without giving everything up to everyone else. Social media is part of the social fabric. It’s woven in. To not participate in it is to not participate in society, to become a weird sort of hermit. People look at you like you belong in a cabin in the woods and you are not part of the society. The 18-to-34-year-old [consumer] is the only demographic that the world, the world of entertainment…consider relevant.”
The Sony Hack: “This could not have happened ten years ago, literally, and it will keep happening. I have had meetings at Sony [and if] someone wanted to look hard enough… there’s probably s****y things studio executives have said about [me]. I am just not famous enough for it to go on Gawker.”
There is an element of “get off my lawn, whippersnappers!” to this. I mean, The Hamm is only 43 years old! There are plenty of 40-something actors who manage to have social media profiles and maintain that aspect of their fame really well. I’m thinking of people like Mark Ruffalo, Robert Downey Jr, those types. The Marvel guys. And I do think The Hamm has probably had meetings about this superhero or that comic book villain or whatever. I remember when he was a widely rumored to be up for Superman in Man of Steel. And he’s right, all of the comic book franchises do sign people up for “draconian” contracts. Look at Chris Hemsworth! His Marvel contract has made him utterly miserable. But most actors play that game, and they know they’ll be worth more in general if they sign on to a superhero movie. But The Hamm has never really been interested in that stuff – I think he’ll probably transition into character work after Mad Men.
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I find him so annoying. Yes, we know, you hate everything.
Well, count me out of your group of “we”. I didn’t get any “I hate everything” message from this. I appreciate his outspokenness.
Yup. Daniel Craig annoys me for the same reason.
I’d recommend looking up some of the other Black Mirror shows on Channel 4.
I have this one set to record, really looking forward to it.
Personally I prefer actors not being on social media.
I don’t mind as long as they aren’t obnoxious. There are definitely ways to participate in social media that are thoughtful and low key and fun.
Black Mirror is fantastic. It’s insanely dark but very, very good.
It’s probably the best thing around that deals and shows the consequences of technology used in our lives and how insensitive we are becoming by looking at the world trough a black mirror. I totally understand why he wanted to participate in it.
Charlie Booker’s writing is amazing!
I love him. He seems so level headed. I think he’s very handsome.
He is smart to stay away from SuperHeros, I could see him doing more dramatic roles in the future. He’s quite a good actor. He goes through a myriad of emotions on Mad Men
Love John Hamm.
+1
I adore his grouchiness.
i do too. he sounds like a normal person, and not a pre-packaged product.
Agreed. I think we’re looking at a man that keeps himself grounded, sees the difference in the way industry people think and behave and chooses to compare his lot, not to the spoiled brats and entitled losers in Hollywood, but to his own personal understanding of life and his place in it.
He used to remind me of Fred Flintstone (that six o’clock shadow!) but his skilled acting, atypical perspective and his ahem, hamaconda pics have made him much more attractive as time has passed.
Yes. And I’m glad he’s not on social media, honestly more people could benefit by stepping away from it. The narcissism, neediness and overall lack of dignity sometimes just blows me away.
“overall lack of dignity” is an excellent way to out it.
He is the foxiest, I don’t care how crabby he is. I don’t have a Facebook page anymore, clearly we are soul mates. Call me, Hammy baby.
Me too.
Sadly, I think he would have been a good Dr Strange. I enjoy him in comedic roles. Can’t wait for MM to return in spring.
I thought Mad Men was over? I’m about 1 season behind right now. I do love that show.
Split the last season in two- a year apart!! So believe the end of show will start April 2015. It was been a great show.
I think Jon Hamm or Pedro Pascal would have made a very good Doctor Strange (sorry Cumberfans…). I do like his comments and the fact about how he looks older than his age, it’s been a common theme for him since Mad Men debuted, that when he would try out for 20-something roles (when he was in his 20’s) they said he was not believable because he looked too old.
It amazes me that he has never won an Emmy yet for playing Don Draper. He’s such a good actor and I hope he has a great career after Mad Men.
I really don’t find him to be crabby, maybe just a person who does not sugarcoat things and if he is not a fan of social media-nothing wrong with that.
Jon Hamm reminds me of an old time movie star. If this were the 40’s and 50’s, he’d probably be the biggest actor in Hollywood. He just has that classic leading man look that not many men have today.
I think he’s very handsome – enough to play leading man roles – but I’m older than he is, so maybe I’ve lost perspective. I’m not sure why he’s thinking of himself as a old codger at 43, except, I guess, Hollywood is so youth focused.
yeah, i think he meant comparatively in hollywood, not in society at large.
Except a lot of the action stars are men in their 40s/50s. Tom Cruise, Jeremy Renner, Liam Neeson who’s in his sixties, RDJ (at least as far as comic book movies count as action movies), and the new Batman is in his 40s, too. I think if Jon Hamm wanted those roles, he could get them. He doesn’t seem to want them.
True.
Superhero films are the death of cinema. Why on Earth is there an Avengers 206 (is that what they’re up to?). I wish I could shake people and tell them to stop watching this drivel and making it successful. Studios could take a tenth of the budget and make an amazing smaller scale film not about roidy men in costumes. Sigh
There’s 2 Avengers movies, you’ve got to be kidding me.
People also said that Westerns would be the death of cinema in the 1950’s because there were so many. Looks like cinema came out just fine.
First the irony that this comment is coming from someone named “Lex.” Secondly studios are not in the business of making art, they are in the business of making money. Part of modern movie making is appealing to a worldwide audience. People have been telling stories about “roidy men in costumes” since the dawn of humanity (Greek pantheon, Gilgamesh, Norse myths, Beowulf, Susanoo) so those stories translate and sell tickets.
Plus do you really think Hollywood would just sit on a bunch of great scripts that would be cheap to produce AND create huge profits?
For the most part, Black Mirror rocks the house! I’m looking forward to this one because I thought the Bulgakov thing he did with the wee Radcliffe was a thing of joy. It’s on tonight, Black Mirror. Woohoo!
BTW – when you say “another weird BBC project” you might be better saying “another weird British project” since Black Mirror is made by Channel 4 and Young Doctor’s Notebook was made by Sky. Oopsie!
We only know about the BBC, lalalalala, I can’t hear you.
Yes, Black Mirror does indeed rock the house! And yes, the BBC doesn’t produce every single British show.
Black Mirror is a fantastic anthology show. It can be very grim and disturbing but it’s very clever and inventive in examining our relationship with technology and how things could move in the future.
I’ll second the “Black Mirror” love. That White Rabbit episode is basically tattooed on my eyeballs after watching it.
My favourite was the very first one with Rory Kinnear about the Prime Minister and a royal kidnapping.
The BBC assumption is funny in a way because Black Mirror is very recognisable as part of C4’s approach to drama (edgy or gritty) and not so much to Auntie’s.
The other Hamm British TV project, the Bulgakov, is more notable in that I’d never have predicted Sky (even their Arts channel) to make it. And make it with such verve. They may be late to the game, but they are doing some startlingly joyful stuff – that John Hannah nutty thing, Psychobitches, Moon Boy, yadda.
Sixer, the first one was brilliant. Rory Kinnear is so good and the plot was really disturbing and interesting..
Well, big up to Hamm for signing up. It was a STONKER of an episode. What with that and The Missing (and its associated twitterstorm of missingthepointitis) it was a rather good night for British TV last night!
He has a good sense of humor.. but like many actors before him.. I think he stayed on Mad Men too long. If he had left the show 3 years ago I think he would have gotten further in films. I know he works in films, but he has not broken out. I think it is going to be hard to do so.
Not doing a Super hero film is the smartest move he has made. I for one am sick of all of them.
I, for two, am sick of all of them. Hollywood always does things to death.
+3
I wonder if he will also transition into directing? I think he has directed several episodes of Mad Men. And secretly hope for collaboration with Kristen Wiig in some indie dramedy. There Santa-that is my Christmas wish.
I definitely agree with the “irrelevant” part.
I like Hamm, think he’s talented… But I don’t believe he’s turned down a big superhero role. I believe he missed out.
I have the same suspicion. I think it’s more likely his television commitment prevented him from accepting a franchise role for scheduling reasons, and that he just didn’t get some other roles. The movies that Hamm did instead weren’t exactly a roundup of critical darlings.
He could totally play superhero, look at the jaw!
Westfeldt is wearing a ring. On *that* finger. Did something happen that we haven’t heard of yet?
I like Hamm, but I find his premature aging of himself odd- is he tiring of the acting game and trying to begin a bow out?
Nah, I think she just wears a ring he’s given her because she’s taken. They’ve been together for almost ever so why wouldn’t she. I have been with the same man for 20 years and I wear a ring on that finger and we’ve never bothered with marriage.
I like Jon Hamm and I’ve watched every episode of Man Men. But I have to question his reasoning for not playing a superhero – that it would be an “odd choice” for someone wanting to do different things and “pressing the same key”. Isn’t that what TV actors do when they sign on to a series…like Mad Men? He has played Don Draper for 7 years, which has made him famous but also prevented him from doing many other things. Hugh Jackman has played the same superhero more times than anyone else, but he also has had a diverse career. Now if Jon just thinks superhero movies are crap, that’s a different story. 🙂
I think the issue for him is the contracts and that you are signed up for sequels for films with scripts that you have not read yet. Therefore your future is technically in the hands of screenwriters whom you hope can turn out good scripts. It sounds to me like he doesn’t want to take that chance. For instance look at Brandon Routh when they tried to reboot the Superman franchise years ago.
Hugh Jackman is a great example of someone who has had a very diverse career outside of playing Wolverine and he’s only a few years older than Hamm. You never know, Jon Hamm could change his mind too about the superhero films.
I hear what you are saying, but TV actor sign contracts for multi years and don’t see scripts for future years. I understand why an actor wouldn’t want to be a superhero, but that particular reason he gave is also true for TV actors on popular shows.
I think that is still the point though. JH was locked into a MM contract with scripts that hadn’t been written. Matthew Weiner could have done anything he wanted with the character and there wasn’t anything Hamm could do.
Plus actors likeMark Ruffalo do superhero movies and still manage to have a diverse career–or even one of their best ever, nods for The Normal Heart and Foxcatcher. And RDJ and Christian Bale leveraged it to do other things. Chris H may not be the happiest but he was also pretty unknown at the time and he’s managed to do Rush (it was underrated and he was good) as well as the upcoming hacker movie which looks promising. I think for some it’s not the contract/movies themselves but the mandatory physical appearance for some of them–like CH. It is a lot to sustain for a long period and also somewhat limiting.
That’s a really odd comparison when you consider that when Hamm got Mad Men he was on his last leg as an out of work actor. What was he going to say? ” I’m going to go back and teach drama because I’m worried about signing on as the lead of this series because could be locked in as the same character for too long.”
Oh, well! He will always be Ace of Ambiguously Gay Duo to me. He thinks he is irrelevant so yeah. ‘Bye, Felicia.
He was on the list for Doctor a Strange as a matter of fact– Cumby was not necessarily the first choice! I think he would have been perfect.
Black mirror!
I want to see his dong! Then he’s relevant
Omg i love him.
K.
I’m convinced Chris Hemsworth’s Marvel contract only makes him miserable because he hasn’t broken out like other Marvel actors. He’s not even the star of his own franchise.
Hemsworth is the star of his own franchise ,Thor. Two Thor movies and there’s supposed to be a third one.
Yes, but arguably Loki is more popular and the breakout star in those films.
Yeah, that’s my point, Tom Hiddleston is the breakout star of the Thor franchise.
ETA: And the Thor franchise is, at this point, the least popular of the solo Avenger movies, according to box office.
In terms of fandom, maybe, but in terms of netting actual roles, I would say Hemsworth has done very well as a result of Marvel. Tom is just now catching up. Next year will be very telling once we see how their various films are received.
Hemsworth has a second franchise in Snow White and the Huntsman, and he doesn’t seem to have trouble getting cast in (lousy) action movies. I’m a Hiddleston fan myself, but despite what the internet tells people, Hemsworth has gotten more out of his franchise work than a lot of the other Marvel actors who started out as relative unknowns.
Hemsworth has a great agent and appears to have a good head for business. He makes the right moves. I don’t deny he’s already demonstrating a lot of potential for a great post-Marvel career. I’m just saying, I think if Thor was as big as the other Marvel movies and a popular character like Captain America has become, he’d look a lot less miserable while promoting his movies.
ETA: Hemsworth is leveraging his Marvel position for everything it’s worth and that’s very smart. He’ll do a lot better, in the long run, than Chris Evans, who has the popularity but doesn’t seem to know what to do with it.
I guess I just don’t think Hemsworth would be happier if he were as beloved as Robert Downey Jr. I almost think this is a personality issue. RDJ and Hiddleston are cheerful promoters, Evans’s anxiety makes him dislike it and struggle with it, and Hemsworth is adequate at it but would rather be doing movies that don’t require so much promotion so he could spend more time hanging out with his family.
But yes, Hemsworth is leveraging his Marvel work more effectively than Evans is. I think Evans is still figuring out if he even wants to leverage it, and what he would do if he weren’t acting.
Pre and post the first Captain America movie Chris Evans never appeared to really want to be at a super high level of fame. I know he is due to Marvel, but he’s never really seemed to want it and is still uncomfortable with it. So I don’t think it is a case of him not knowing how to leverage his fame. He was so happy to direct his low budget indie movie.
Hemsworth doesn’t seem to have any problem promoting everything else, so I think he’s capable of being a “cheerful promoter.” I look at the difference between how he promoted Thor 1 and The Avengers and Thor 2, when there was markedly less enthusiasm. By Thor 2, though, he’d been eclipsed by Loki and Hiddles was drawing more attention/fans during the press tour. Marvel was leaning more on Hiddles, giving him more opportunities and re-doing Thor 2’s ending in order to incorporate *moar Loki(!!!)*. His franchise was hijacked by someone else, Thor hasn’t caught on with the populace like Cap A or Black Widow or Mark Ruffalo/Hulk (who’s only made 1 1/4 appearances in Marvel movies and people *love* him), and suddenly he’s less enthusiastic about promotion and he’s clearly putting a new career strategy in place. I can’t help but see the two as connected.
He may be 43 and count himself as old and irrelevant. But he is hotter to me than any member of one direction or hemsworth and I am 20 years younger than him.
I’m in my twenties and agree with you. Men hit a sweet spot in their forties.
I don’t have any problem with anything he’s saying but Hollywood studios might. He’s basically talking a lot of crap here about the industry: that they lock down actors into “draconian” contracts for repetitive movies, that they say sh**ty things about actors behind their backs. I realize that is all 1000% true and the Sony hacks prove it, but Hamm is waaaayyyy not interested in kissing up to studio chiefs in this interview. Good for him for speaking his mind, I guess, but as someone who would also like him to have a solid career post-Mad Men, I hope he does better at building and maintaining relationships with industry execs in private.
Oh pls.
Jon Hamm is a god. I bet there are hundreds of great directors and producers who would kill to work with the guy who gave us Don Draper. Now, they are probably indie filmmakers, but so what? He can do comedy, drama or sci-fi. He can do anything from kids movies w/ inspirational messages to NC-17 movies w/ his now legendary man-meat dangling freely for all to see.
He is a talented actor with a solid fanbase. I know I am not in this industry and I may not be as well-versed about these topics the way he is, considering how long he’s been doing this… but come on. You are a great actor, an incredibly attractive man and people across the planet love you.
The studios aren’t only green-lighting dumb superhero flicks. In fact, only two studios are doing these films. I bet he was in the running for Green Lantern, Batman and Dr. Strange. Superman? He was way too old for that script in the first place. Henry Cavill’s age group was the better fit. It was a coming of age story after all.
And he doesn’t need to be a hero. He can be a super villain. He doesn’t need to be Bond, he can be a Bond antagonist. There are many extremely attractive-looking super villains out there.
Why would you want to be Batman when you can be the Joker, Penguin or the Riddler???
I love him! But, if he got into the business to do many things as opposed to one thing, all all can say is: 8 years of Don Draper?