Serial podcast finale: when will the DNA results come back? (spoilers)

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The following story contains spoilers for the incredible Serial Podcast. If you’re waiting to listen to it and you’d rather not read spoilers, please turn back now.

We received a request to cover this story and since I’ve been binge listening to Serial, I was glad to oblige. Serial is a spinoff from the exceptional NPR show, This American Life. I’ve been listening to TAL almost since it started airing in 1995. I used to kill time at work in the late 90s by streaming all the back episodes, which were free online at the time.

Unlike TAL, which has shorter stories centering around a theme, Serial is a 12 episode in-depth look into a single murder case from 1999. Hosted by TAL producer Sarah Koenig, the show is the most popular podcast ever. It’s the number one podcast on iTunes and outlets are talking about how it’s opened up a whole new audience to podcasts. Time Magazine even has a list of podcasts to try now that Serial has ended. (My favorites are The Ted Radio Hour, Science Friday and Radiolab.)

Now that the show has wrapped, there are still so many questions about the murder of Hae-Min Lee, an 18 year-old student in Baltimore whose body was found in early 1999. Then 17 year-old Adnan Syed, Hae’s ex boyfriend at the time, was convicted of the murder and has served 15 years of a lifetime sentence. The conviction was largely based on the testimony of Adnan’s friend, Jay, who claims to have helped Adnan bury the body. There was no DNA testing performed and only that one alleged witness and tenuous circumstantial evidence links Adnan to the crime.

There are so many loose ends and details in this case it’s hard to sum them up. Prosecutors overstepped their boundaries on many occasions, paying for their chief witness Jay’s attorney and coaching other character witnesses. Adnan’s attorney, now deceased, was disbarred after multiple clients complained that she bilked them of money and missed key details in their cases. She may have deliberately thrown cases in order to increase her billable hours. Adnan’s first trial ended in a mistrial and it’s believed that he would not have been convicted had that trial concluded.

For those of you who have listened to this first season, here’s a very good list of questions about the case, compiled by The Huffington Post. (There are more at the source.)

1. What was up with the Nisha call?
As host Sarah Koenig reiterates during the “Serial” finale, the Nisha call looks terrible for Adnan. According to records from Adnan’s phone, Nisha was called for two minutes and 22 seconds at 3:32 p.m. on Jan. 13, a time when Adnan swears he wasn’t with his phone (he says Jay had it). Koenig and her team determine through AT&T’s customer service contract from 1999 that there’s a possibility the call could be a butt dial, as AT&T charged for calls that went unanswered for a long period of time (Nisha’s number did not have an answering machine). But, as Dana says, “Even if the Nisha call could potentially be a butt dial, in the realm of possibility, maybe it was a butt dial. What are the chances?”

2. Is Ronald Lee Moore, a now-deceased criminal who was released from prison on Jan. 1, 1999, involved?
Koenig catches up with Deirdre Enright from the Innocence Project, who has a motion in the works to test DNA from Adnan’s case that wasn’t tested before. This includes DNA from under Hae Min Lee’s fingers as well as hairs found on her body. Enright’s reasoning for doing so is because she thinks they may match another potential suspect, Ronald Lee Moore, a man who had been in prison for a while, but was released for 14 months on Jan. 1, 1999. He was linked by DNA to the murder of another Korean woman in Owings Mills, Maryland, who was killed 11 months after Hae. Koenig admits that a DNA match between Hae’s body and Moore is a long shot.

3. Was Jay covering for something else that he did?
There are repetitive references during “Serial” to vague, separately shady crimes that Jay allegedly committed. With the character witnesses generally saying he was a good guy, maybe he got caught up in something and this whole story became a convenient alibi hammered through by the cops that kept him out of something else. The fear he apparently felt while working at the video store seemed over the top for the descriptions of the 17-year-old Adnan and how even Jay described their relationship.

4. What did Hae’s note to Don mean when she said, “Sorry I couldn’t stay”?
In the first few minutes of the “Serial” finale, Koenig discusses an interview she conducted with Don, Hae’s boyfriend. Don said that he had plans to meet up with Hae on the night of Jan. 13, 1999. When Hae’s car was found, police discovered a note addressed to Don that read “Hey cutie. Sorry I couldn’t stay. I had to go to a wrestling match at Randallstown High. But I promise to page you as soon as I get done, okay?” Koenig contemplates the sentence, “Sorry I couldn’t stay.” Where was she coming from? How was she going to get the note to Don, since his car was far away in Hunt Valley? Don had never seen or heard about the note until Koenig told him about it.

5. Where was Adnan Syed on the night of Jan. 13, 1999?
We will never know where exactly Adnan Syed was on the night of Jan. 13, 1999, because he doesn’t remember. Twenty-one minutes of his life are not accounted for, and because prosecutors concluded Hae was murdered during that time, Adnan was, basically, screwed.

6. What was the big rumor that Sarah Koenig said she pursued, but couldn’t verify?
What was rumor Koenig called “so incriminating that we thought, well if this one is true then we’re done, our story is over and we can all go home”? Koenig, being a responsible journalist, never said, so it looks like we’ll never know. (Vulture speculated about that rumor as well; read their take here.)

7. What about Don?
Koenig never focuses too much on Don throughout the season and therefore we’re left to assume Hae’s boyfriend at the time was pretty clearly removed from the crime. From what Koenig presents, however, the details are still hazy and it would have been nice to get a LensCrafters employee who could talk about their relationship at the store and Don’s behavior on the day Hae went missing.

8. Why would Adnan ask Jay to help bury the body, especially if Adnan apparently knew a “Westside Hitman?”
In his Feb. 28, 1999 interview with detectives, Jay claimed that Adnan knew a “West Side hitman” and took that as a thinly veiled warning. But if Adnan had connections to professional criminals, why bother asking Jay, of all people, to help him bury Hae’s body?

9. What was said between the cops and Jay when the tape wasn’t rolling?
Could be the explanation for why Jay’s story is so convoluted.

10. What is the deal with State Attorney Kevin Urick?
State Attorney Kevin Urick factors into a number of key moments during “Serial” — he helped Jay find a pro bono lawyer and chastised Don, according to Don, for not making Adnan sound creepy enough. Koenig says in the finale that she ran the Don claims by Urick, but he responded that he wasn’t authorized to talk about the case.

11. Why wasn’t it a bigger deal that Hae was on television the same day she went missing?
In the note police recovered from Hae’s car, she tells Don about participating in a television interview about student athletes, which was taped earlier that day. This isn’t a regular occurrence in a high student’s life and seems like it might have been mentioned earlier.

[From Huffington Post]

I think question number 3 is the most meaningful to me, in terms of Jay’s motivation. If Adnan didn’t do it, Jay may have been coached and/or threatened by the cops to finger Adnan. Remember how Don said that the state attorney told him he didn’t make Adnan sound creepy enough? It’s also possible of course that Jay did it. Remember how his friend Jenn said that she helped Jay carefully clean the shovel and dispose of his work clothes after the crime? It’s possible Jenn was lying, but Jay was very thorough for just an accessory to the crime.

Also, I was frustrated at how much time was spent on the Nisha call in this episode. I didn’t really understood why that mattered until I read another synopsis of possible scenarios for the crime. The timeline initially didn’t make sense to me but there were many details in this case that confused me. Imagine how the jury must have felt, especially after hearing just a small segment of the incredibly boring courtroom testimony. The whole thing hinged on Jay’s testimony, and a juror said as much to Koenig.

Serial is coming back at some point for a second season. I hope that the DNA evidence somehow solves this case either way, but I have the impression that there’s no easy answer to what happened, and that we’ll still be digging through the weeds trying to figure out what happened.

Also, The Huffington Post points us to this video interview of Hae Min Lee, taken in the early morning the day she died. If this segment aired at noon on the day she died, it may have made her a target.

photos are of Adnan and Hae and are courtesy of Serial and via Reddit

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  1. Lb says:

    I don’t know if Adnan did it or not (I’m leaning towards his involvement to some extent) but based on what Sarah Koenig reveals in the podcast, I do think his lawyer didn’t do a great job. There wasn’t a lot of concrete evidence presented at trial and a better defense attorney could have poked holes in what was presented (cell tower records, Jay and Jen’s inconsistent testimony, the whole Asia alibi). There was reasonable doubt and Adnan’s attorney did him a disservice by not emphasizing that.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      I can’t believe she was manually strangled and they didn’t test under her nails. How does that happen? Also, the police lost Hae’s computer.

  2. elo says:

    I was hooked and I can’t wait for season 2! I lean towards him being guilty but he still didn’t get a fair trial. I hope that they find something with the DNA something conclusive, but I lean towards him and Jay being the murderers/disposers.

  3. Luca76 says:

    I really have no idea what happened but a jury shouldn’t have convicted Adnan based on the evidence. It’s clear that Jay didn’t tell the whole truth. Why he didn’t tell the truth is basically unsolvable unless he comes clean but why would he?
    My favorite podcasts are this American Life, WTF, Fresh Air, and Hardcore History. Anyone have any other suggestions?

    • Celebitchy says:

      I have not heard of WTF I will check it out! I’ve heard of Hardcore History and have been meaning to download it. Sometimes I listen to The Nerdist but it depends on who they’re interviewing, I mostly stick to NPR but I’m willing to branch out.

      • Luca76 says:

        Thanks CB I’ll definitely check out The Nerdist

      • KAS says:

        I love the Bowery Boys podcast for wonderful history about NYC history or for fun i enjoy RuPaul’s What’s the T.

      • S says:

        WTF is Marc Maron interviewing other celebs in his garage. Turned his career around (I, incidentally, dated him right before this happened.)

    • smee says:

      You would like The Moth as well (dot org)

    • QQ says:

      Im so glad we are having this moment!!!

      My Suggestions are Sword and Scale and Cracked Podcast!! and for LOLZ The Read and 2 guys and a Girl Whooo!!! also This American Life site on Mobile you can just GORGE like I do at work

      Also tho btw

      We Need professional Jurors cause those people were DUMB AS HELL: they tell them SPECIFICALLY to not make ANYTHING of the fact Adnan didnt testify and they PROCEED to do just that

      Christina seemed like a shitty counsel

      Police had their man in mind before they HAD their patsy in mind cause where they do that at of NOT testing dna and fibers??

      I still feel like Jay did it and at MOST at BEST roles are reversed from his story… im still befuddled his story gets taken at prima fascia like WHAT?? WHY??

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I agree, QQ. I do not understand at all why they didn’t test all of the DNA and fibers. Especially because it seemed there was material both under and over her body. I really can’t get over the fact that she was strangled and they didn’t test under her nails. I feel like the police wronged her by not doing all they could to find the actual person who did this.

    • Arock says:

      The Moth, Criminal, common Sense with DanCarlan, Fresh Air with Terri Gross is still so good- the archives are awesome.
      There’s so many. serial was such a great introduction to this genre.
      To think, social media brought us back to radio.

  4. mint says:

    I´m not against covering real crimes but I find it really impious and insensitive towards the victim, the victims family and friends how this podcast is consumed for entertainment. Everyone is “hooked”, wants to hear the next episode, who did it, bla bla bla.
    But people seem to forget that this is not a fictional story with fictional characters. A 18 year old girl was killed. She wasn´t allowed to fully live her life. A family lost their daughter/ sister/ niece.
    I find it disgusting how people are craving for sensation!

    • Lottie says:

      I love the show and I definitely have compassion for Hae’s family and their loss. I hope that this dna finally links Hae to the murderer, whom ever it is. This show has been breath taking. A fresh take on cold cases and a way to involve the public. SK lays out the details so that you too can become part of the solution/discussion. I know there has been this criticism, but for me I never forgot about Hae.

      • mint says:

        I don´t doubt that it´s a great podcast. Many people are enjoying it and good for them.
        But I guess you can only enjoy it, if you have never experienced this kind of loss. I have. So I know what this does to your family, to yourself, to your outlook on life. It´s a loss that ends your world.
        So for me it is hard to understand that people find so much joy / entertainment in an event that is so cruel and hurtful

    • QQ says:

      her brother was on Reddit saying this was no good that Adnan did it, to not ask him anything, that he hated the sponsors of the show( !!???!) that it’s hard on him but his mom and most his family do not know of Serial and that Sarah Koening tried very very very hard to get any of them to talk about it and no one would and that his ma had a heart attack maybe during the first trial, but she survived but that was how hard this hit em (if im remembering well)

    • Tiffany :) says:

      IMO, because it’s real makes it more important. How could they not test under a strangled woman’s nails? If a person killed her and got away with it, that’s no good for Hae and females this person might interact with. If a person is serving life for something he didn’t do, that matters too.

      Stories like this make everyday Americans rightfully scared of their justice system. Maybe it will move us to enact change.

      • Samtha says:

        That’s what I think too–if he didn’t do it, the person who DID has been out there free all this time.

        I’ve lost someone to a violent crime, so I understand. I felt uncomfortable listening at first for just that reason, but if it helps uncover the truth–even a small part of it–isn’t that worth it?

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I agree, Samtha. I am similar in age to Hae, and I can’t stop thinking about all of the life I have lived since she was killed, and it makes my heart break for her. She sounds like she was a very intelligent and vibrant person. I really want true justice for her, and I don’t feel that has been accomplished yet.

    • Coco says:

      I cannot imagine what this must be like for Hae’s family and I sincerely hope that this wasn’t reopened because Adnan can’t admit he is guilty of the crime. I think it’s a remarkable look in to the legal system and if new evidence comes to light that clears Adnan, then think of what he and his family have also gone through these past 15 years. It’s a bizarre case that is just so, so sad.

  5. lamamu says:

    I agree with SK’s final analysis: the bottom line is that whether or not Adnan did it, the jury didn’t have enough evidence to convict him of the crime.

    I still can’t wrap my mind around the fact that Jay led the police to Hae’s car and immediately pointed the finger at Adnan. Okay. WHY WASN’T JAY A SUSPECT? He led them to the car!!! Not Adnan.

    But why didn’t Adnan point the finger at Jay? Too much “memory loss,” aka lies.

    And since Jay led the police to the car, I think the serial killer angle is a long shot.

    • Birdie says:

      Good question. I think the reason that Jay wasn’t a suspect was because he didn’t have an obvious motive. It fit better to them, that an angry ex-boyfriend was the killer.
      I am shocked by all the lies and inconsistencies of Jay, but I heard the court tapes and it wasn’t always clear that Jay lied, because Adnan’s defense attorny did an horrible job at pointing out his lies. I was annoyed after a few minutes of listening to her and the jury had to listen to her odd way of talking for weeks. Bad move and bad luck for Adnan.

      • lamamu says:

        Adnan’s attorney was sooo annoying. Her grating vocalizations are still in my head!

        I hate to play the clash of civilizations / religion card, but I do think the fact that Adnan is muslim had something to do with his conviction. That was why the prosecutor wanted Don to play up Adnan’s “anger” and “possessiveness.” Since Adnan didn’t speak for himself at the trial (which totally would have helped him, since he’s such an articulate and charming guy), the jury was able to project onto Adnan the image of the angry Muslim ex-boyfriend that the prosecution portrayed.

        Don’t get me wrong: Adnan could be a total sociopath and completely guilty and still be wrongfully convicted.

        I feel so badly for Hae’s family. As much as the murder mystery reader in me enjoyed trying to figure this thing out, it’s sad that this opened up old wounds for them. Not that those wounds are ever not fresh. but It would be nice if something definitive came out of this for them.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      My thoughts:
      1. I read a blog where they went over Jay’s police interviews. He is REPEATeDLY corrected and guided by police. For example, he started talking about how they were in a car, driving around having a conversation. Then, the police remind him they should be in two cars at that point. Then Jay says “sorry” and starts telling a different version of the EXACT same events he just told!
      2. Jay repeated uses the word “I” instead of “we” when talking about burying Hae.
      3. Jay’s testimony significantly changes after he is shown the call log by police.
      4. What kind of self proclaimed “criminal element of Woodlawn” pot dealer has to drive around so much to find weed and then buys two dime bags from a guy on the street????
      5. I think there is a 3rd party involved, that jay was afraid of. I think he turned states witness against a higher level criminal in his organization, and realized that would make him immune to other crimes, should hd get caught. Jay assaulted a police officer after this (and other crimes) and he dodged punishment there too.
      6. Roy davis is the “Woodlawn Strangler” that killed a teen 7 months before Hae died. He lived near Hae, she had to drive down the street he lived on to get to day care. The other woman he strangled was 18, driving in her car, went to Woodlawn, buried in a forest near a stream. He wasn’t known when Adnan was arrested.

      • lamamu says:

        Tiffany :), do you think Adnan knows about this other criminal organization and that’s why he never pointed the finger at Jay? Fear of repercussions, etc?

        Interesting details about the Woodlawn Strangler, but how did Jay know where Hae’s car was? That’s the real sticking point for me.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I am wondering now if something happened when they went downtown (instead of to the mall) in the morning as revealed in final episode. Were they trying to get Jay a new batch of pot, but were rejected? Then Phil and Patrick don’t answer Jays calls in the afternoon. Maybe Hae was a warning to Jay, that his loved ones would be next ( he referenced a threat on Stephanie). Jay didn’t appear to see Stephanie all day, and that was her birthday. I just have a lot of questions!

        One blog suggested that Jay’s group might be involved with Woodlawn Strangler because he also did other types of crimes like robbery, assault, and I think drug dealing. But that might just be internet speculation, they didn’t back it up.

      • lamamu says:

        Tiffany, I was wondering the same thing: was Jay somehow connected to the Woodlawn Strangler? That would explain why he knew where the car was.

        Because here’s the thing about Adnan: he’s allowing the DNA test. I don’t think he would if he was the one who led Jay to the car. In other words, if he was the one who killed Hae. Right? Or is it one big mind f-ck?

        I think we’ve almost entered Twin Peaks territory…

        We need a super sleuth team of Morse, Lewis, Marple, Poirot and Wallender to clear this matter up.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I agree, I don’t think Adnan would sign off the on the DNA test if he thought it would implicate him.

        Their is a blog called View from LL2, written by a lawyer, and in some of her recent posts she goes over the testimony/evidence/police interviews in incredible detail. I have found her points to be very logically laid out and incredibly insightful and reasonable.

        She hasn’t posted about the final episode yet, I am very curious about it!

      • lamamu says:

        Tiffany, thanks for the View from LL2 tip! Just emerged from that rabbit hole. 🙂

  6. Birdie says:

    I listened to all 12 episodes and in no way should Adnan have been convicted, simply based on the weak evidence. I don’t know if he did it, but I can’t believe the jury convicted him based on Jay’s lies. The american justice system is a joke, I am sorry, but it’s all about how to manipulate the jury for one or the other side.
    SPOILER:
    Did anyone else found Hae’s note to Don interesting? That seemed huge to me.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      That does seem interesting to me. It almost sounds like she saw him that afternoon. “Sorry I couldn’t stay. I had to go to a wrestling match at Randallstown High. But I promise to page you as soon as I get done, okay?”. That sounds to have been written more currently than the morning, because she doesn’t mention school before the match. It does sound like it was written in the afternoon, but it really isn’t concrete enough to be definitive.

      • Birdie says:

        Yes, it could also mean, that she was at his house the day before and couldn’t stay. But the next sentence is: I HAVE to
        to a wrestling match (…).
        So if these two sentences are read together, it sounds more like Don and Hae saw each other on the day she died.
        Or it was more like: Sorry I couldn’t stay last night… Oh now I have a wrestling match, Bye.
        Did you see the real note? It’s on the Serial website.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        Thanks for noting I could see the real note! You are right it does say “HAVE”! That really does sound like they saw each other that afternoon. Very curious.

  7. KAS says:

    Slate has a good recap of Serial (podcast about a podcast) and I agree with what one of them said, not enough stuff from the prosecution.

  8. Peppa says:

    Serial was hard for me to enjoy because it hit way too close to home. I remember this case as it happened. These people only graduated a couple years ahead of me, and their high school was not too far from where I went. I’m glad the case is being looked at again because there was not enough evidence to convict Adnan.

  9. nan says:

    I was so addicted to the show during the season but I have to be honest: the finale hit a little hard. The case is about real people and real-life suffering and loss. I know Sarah & her crew worked hard and had good intentions but the Funny or Die bit was tasteless and insensitive and so was the ‘omg hilarious’ joshing around during the last episode. Humor is a stress-reliever for people working around law enforcement or the justice system but there really should’ve been a disclaimer apology along with that to show respect to the families (and caring listeners). I know we’re a gossiping watercooler-gang species, but whoa — a young girl with a future had her life violently taken from her.
    edited to add: (I think it’s really good to discuss the case, by all means, just found Sarah’s comedy and joking on air to be insensitive)

  10. BrownBelle says:

    Ugh. Serial. First off, Adnan did it. Second, that podcast was laced with so much “blame the black guy” — even though it is OBVIOUS Adnan did it. TAL lost me as a listener after this one. SK did not treat the two men equally; she excused away a lot about Adnan, and hyper-focused on Jay’s “foibles.” More than that: the fact that people can’t understand why a young black kid, living in Baltimore in 1999, first lied to the cops is exceptionally disheartening. And then to think Jay actually conspired with police!? Absurd.

    • Tiffany :) says:

      Have you read Jay’s interviews. It isn’t about “blaming the black guy”, it is about doubting a person who has repeatedly admitted to lying. In court, they noted that in ALL of Jay’s pre-trial interviews, he lied to police. Jay acknowledged this on the stand. It is not racism to doubt Jay.

      • BrownBelle says:

        There is so much more to it than that. The way SK presented the two men; to folks not understanding why Jay would, at first, be reticent to go to the police. I’m not going to argue here, as we’ll never change each other’s minds, but there were serious problems with serial.

      • Tiffany :) says:

        I understand why Jay wouldn’t immediately go to police. But that doesn’t explain away the amazing inconsistencies with his interviews and testimony. There are times, based on corroborating evidence, where we know Jay is lying. Jay admits to lying repeatedly.

        I think they were very kind to Jay, actually. They said they believed him when they talked to him in person. They shared information about his friends saying what a good guy he was. What makes me and many people doubt him isn’t the way he was presented by SK, it was how he presented the information he shared. It wasn’t factual.

    • S says:

      He didn’t lie in a way that made sense, though. It’s not like his lies were “I don’t know anything about it.” They were acknowledging involvement but lying about the details of the night. That doesn’t make sense if the issue was his fear of the police.

      FWIW, I don’t think it was clear Jay was black on the podcast. I don’t remember them specifically stating his race. I thought he was probably black or white, just because if he was also middle eastern, I though that would be mentioned. I wasn’t certain until I saw the alleged picture of him.

    • Anna says:

      Are you serious? Get out of your feelings. I’m a black woman as well and I didn’t even think of Jay being black. So what? At the end of the day it was his word against Adnan’s and he had A LOT more to say than Adnan. For goodness sake, Jay said he was THERE and he told damn near everyone who would listen to him. *Please tell us all why you think it was obvious that Adnan did it*. Your bias is the only thing that’s obvious.

      • nan says:

        That’s the thing I appreciated about the show, that it wasn’t stated what color any of the high school kids were (obvs. we knew Hae & Adnan’s ethnicities because that was stated in the beginning). It was nice being able to sift through things for awhile without the culture of bigotry & racism being put into play.

  11. Rachel says:

    Has anyone considered the possibility that Jay DIDN’T actually lead police to the car? Maybe the investigators decided Adnan was their guy and found a friend of his (Jay as it happened) who would testify to all this in exchange for getting off of some lesser charges, so when they located Hae’s car they coached him to say all of these things to explain it.

    Not saying that Adnan could not have done it–sure that’s possible…but so are a lot of other scenarios, once you accept that Jay is lying at least some of the time, and the prosecution seems pretty determined to get Adnan for it by any means necessary, whether ethical or not.

  12. kibbles says:

    I had a lot of catching up to do and finally finished all of the Serial podcasts yesterday.

    As with most comments I’ve read online, I believe Adnan is guilty but was wrongly convicted because he had an incompetent lawyer. I don’t really feel sorry for the guy. He seems like a pathological liar whose only concern is getting out of prison. He will never admit to his involvement in Hae Min’s death.

    I believe Jay was much more involved in the murder than he will ever let on, but that Adnan cannot touch Jay because giving away Jay’s actions that night will reveal Adnan’s guilt as well. I believe that both of them plotted the murder and Jay may have assisted Adnan in kidnapping and strangling Hae Min. Since both of these guys don’t seem particularly bright, their plan was not well executed and Jay chickened out and went to the police to make a deal in exchange for his assistance in locking away Adnan for life.