Prince William shut down, went silent when an energy expert mentioned fracking

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One thing that many of us complain about with regards to Prince William is that he lacks passion for almost everything. He doesn’t have the drive of a public servant, he shows little interest in most of his charitable work (there are some exceptions) and even his big rollout this year for his new centerpiece issue, conservation and anti-poaching, was marred by disinterest and bad timing (he was boar hunting with Jecca Craig just weeks before a major rollout). I’ve always thought that William veers towards environmental, conservation and animal-friendly work because his father has already spent decades working on those issues. The Prince of Wales has already done the heavy lifting on all of those issues and William is just following in his father’s footsteps. Or maybe we’re wrong and William has actually thought about these issues in depth, and he’s just not very good and expressing his passion? The Daily Mail spoke to a fracking expert who recently met William, and this guy says William shut down when he mentioned fracking.

Prince Charles’s controversial environmental views included a dramatic warning in 2009 that there were ‘less than 100 months to act’ to save the planet from irreversible damage due to climate change. Is his son a chip off the old block? The Duke of Cambridge is understood to be worried about fracking – the contentious drilling technique in which billions of pounds worth of shale gas might be recoverable from beneath large parts of rural England.

Now a leading fracking expert, Simon Toole, has disclosed details of an awkward exchange he had with William when he went to Buckingham Palace to collect his CBE from the Prince. Toole is a key figure at the Department of Energy and Climate Change, which released a report last year showing that a large swathe of north Norfolk was under consideration for fracking. William and the Duchess of Cambridge moved into their country retreat, Anmer Hall, in north Norfolk just before Christmas.

Toole is understood to have been apprehensive about meeting William because he’d heard suggestions the future king is concerned about fracking.

‘I went up [to receive his gong] and the Prince asked me what I did,’ says Toole, who was awarded the CBE for his services to oil, gas and energy infrastructure development. ‘I explained and said it involved fracking and then waited . . .’

The ominous silence that followed confirmed his suspicions that William had reservations about the technique. ‘I did expect he had views on that and I thought: “This could be awkward,” ’ says Toole. ‘Then he said “Yes, this will be difficult” and quickly changed the subject.’ I don’t think he is a big fan.’

It is not known if fracking is one of the subjects on which the Prince of Wales has written a private ‘black spider memo’ to ministers. Opponents of the fracking process, which revolutionised the energy industry in America, worry that potentially carcinogenic chemicals used in the drilling process may escape and contaminate groundwater around the fracking site. There are also worries that the process can cause small earth tremors.

A Kensington Palace spokesman declined to comment, but William has already proved outspoken on other environmental subjects, such as the poaching of wildlife in Africa.

[From The Daily Mail]

William was probably trying to avoid a situation, especially considering he was supposed to be awarding this guy with a CBE. It wouldn’t surprise me if William was opposed to fracking, and it also wouldn’t surprise me if he was being told by many people to keep his feelings undercover. While many people – not just environmental types – oppose fracking these days, the gas/energy lobby is powerful and William could be wading into something huge and massively controversial. And if it’s just a passing opinion – “Oh, I don’t like the sound of fracking” – and not something he’s passionate about, maybe William should just stay quiet about it.

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  1. RobN says:

    It would have been inappropriate to handle it any other way at that particular event. Although the holidays with my family suggest otherwise, certain topics and discussions are not appropriate at certain times.

    • Megan says:

      Agreed. When you are handing someone an award, you really shouldn’t criticize them. It’s bad form.

    • HH says:

      Thank you! I had coworkers try to discuss politics, religion, and other touchy subjects at work and it pissed me off. Mostly because they grew balls since they were all conservative. But on trips to our NYC headquarters, they somehow never mention any of these talking points. Guess they don’t enjoy lively debates.

    • Red Snapper says:

      William is mostly an a hole, but I support his disapproval of fracking. I don’t see that stepping on the toes of people who make billions by raping the environment as a bad thing, though an investiture was perhaps not the right moment to say something.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        I don’t think William knows what Fracking is.
        Which may be why he went quiet?
        Just saying.

        Listen to his conversations, they are all filled with jokes or sports or Kate’s Hair or Prince George destroying the furniture.

        Asking William a question about Fracking, was Basically like when Kate was introduced to The Faberge. LOL

      • Citresse says:

        I find it hard to believe William doesn’t know the subject of fracking considering his major at St. Andrews was Geography.

      • FLORC says:

        Was he opposed? He went into a state of auto pilot giving nothing to say he had an opinion.

        I know it’s asking a lot for him to give a diplomatic answer that can please all sides. I wish he had some form of statement where he could fill in the proper fields.

        EDIT: Nota just read your comment below. I’m leaning towards that.

    • notasugarhere says:

      William didn’t say he disapprove of fraking, that is what the storyteller is guessing. For all we know, William doesn’t know what fraking is.

      ‘I explained and said it involved fracking and then waited . . .’
      ‘Then he said “Yes, this will be difficult”.

      William could have said something vague and apolitical that fits many tight situations, “We all need to work together to figure out the best solutions for our country’s future.” “It is clearly a topic that requires further study.” etc. It is William’s job to deflect the politics of the situation and keep the show moving. Like many other Windsors, William has a lot to learn about apolitical small talk.

      • hollygal says:

        +10000000

      • Megan says:

        Unless he has been living under a rock, it seems pretty unlikely William doesn’t know what fracking is. Since Simon Toole works for the Department of Energy and Climate Change I suspect William was a bit taken back to discover he is an advocate for fracking.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        Yes, I agree he needs to step up his small talk game, I don’t think he knew what Fracking was.

        He could always just insert a cute Prince George into any answer and respond to something he doesn’t know, lightheartedly. 🙂 Then move on.
        Lol

      • FLORC says:

        Megan
        Some people still don’t know what fracking is. They have no idea at all. It’s shocking to those of us who do know what it is.

        Nota
        FMORC works closely with companies that frack and the lasting and immediate damage is worse than the public knows. He and others have a well known theory. The sum of it being if anyone is pro fracking and in a position to have all the data available to you you’re making a profit. Otherwise there’s no good reason to support this immediate and quick fix for energy now while ruining large chunks of land and air quality long term.
        It’s really frightening.

      • notasugarhere says:

        FLORC, one of my degrees is in environmental studies. I’m vehemently opposed to fraking so I’m with FMORC on that. That stated, William’s job is to zip his lip and make apolitical small talk. He didn’t bother to prepare for this event or read the list of those getting awards. He is so untrained that he couldn’t come up with one simple apolitical comment.

        This job takes practice, preparation, and skill. It isn’t just “shaking hands and cutting ribbons” as some people insist. It takes education, awareness, and finesse to be the apolitical voice of reason in a room filled with politicians-on-the-make. He will only get worse if he spends 5 years hiding away playing at helicopter pilot.

      • FLORC says:

        Nota
        FMORC also has a degree in EnviStudies. Pretty terrible stuff. I can see you guys just agreeing with eachother while I drift off with a beer in my hand. While I think Fracking is horrible it’s a topic I fade away on in depth.

        And I agree with you. William’s job is to make small talk, but also be prepared. That this question made it to him and he had no way to divert the topic to something else or a segway to something agreeable on both sides is not so acceptable. This is the role he’s been raisesd for and this was a softball setting as it’s told to me. 1 step above ribbon cutting.
        Hopefully he finds his stride like even Charles did with his silly gardens as it was.

    • Mari says:

      It looks to me as though Toole was being deliberately provocative, essentially baiting William, if we assume he really is opposed to fracking and that fact is generally known. Under those circumstances, he handled it appropriately.

      • notasugarhere says:

        “‘I went up [to receive his gong] and the Prince asked me what I did,’ says Toole, who was awarded the CBE for his services to oil, gas and energy infrastructure development. ‘I explained and said it involved fracking and then waited . . .’”

        How do you perceive this as baiting or William’s negative comment as appropriate?

        William asked what Toole did, he answered. Was the man supposed to lie and tell William he works with daisies and puppies? If William had read the prep documents, he would have known the man was being awarded “for his services to oil, gas and energy infrastructure development.”

  2. Kiddo says:

    Where’s Sixer? Have I received her ‘gong’?

    • mimif says:

      She’ll have your guts for garters.

    • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

      She’s picking out a birthday present for her Papa, then she will be back to give you the gong. Or whatever.

      • Kiddo says:

        If it’s a gift for Gramps, here’s a no-brainer suggestion:
        http://www.celebitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/wenn22028278.jpg

      • GoodNamesAllTaken says:

        Lol, I’m sure Sixer’s father wouldn’t be caught in that.

      • Sixer says:

        He got a DVD – I’m so original!

        Kiddo – you get the Commander of the Order of the Sixer Empire (which is limited to one three-bedroom house, a garden and an allotment lease).

        GNAT – you get the Companion of Putting Up with Sixer Honour (for not getting arsey with me on the other thread).

        Mimif – you get a life peerage for services to transatlantic idiom.

        Plus: to inject some serious commentary, I will say HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. There’s been some argy bargy on potential fracking contracts being sold off to chums of government, and only in Britain could you have a government department that merges ENERGY with ENVIRONMENT. How Orwellian. Anyway, in further Orwellian developments, the clocks have now struck thirteen, oil is tuppence a barrel (the less we say about that, the better) and it looks as though all the fracking government chums paid for a pig in a poke for the forseeable future at least. I am schadenfreude-R-Us about it.

      • mimif says:

        Haha! Best.Post.Ever, doncha know? And I want to talk about oil prices. Sixer, you have Saturday & Sunday off to recuperate with the Mr. and the Sixlets, and then it’s:

        4 and 20 virgins came down from Inverness,
        And when the war was over it was 4 and 20 less…

      • Sixer says:

        The boy stood on the burning deck
        His lips were all a-quiver
        He gave a cough, his leg fell off
        And floated down the river.

        (Thank you, Eric Morecambe).

        Oh, well, with the oil prices, we have more petty bickery over Scottish independence-that-might-have-been-but-wasn’t. Cos Aberdeen is suffering already. The pro-Union lot are being very snotty about it.

        And in other news, Old Cat, who is exceedingly venerable and doesn’t go out much any more so has to have a litter tray, has decided to curl up and go to sleep in said litter tray, AFTER using said litter tray in a very stinky fashion. Now I’ve got to go and get him out and clean him up. SIGH.

      • notasugarhere says:

        67 catnaps a day in a sunny spot on the sofa, I understand. Ridding one’s house of spiders and mice, I understand. Sleeping in one’s own used litter tray? There are some things about cats I will never understand. Does Old Cat like to sleep in warm dirt outside on sunny days? Maybe that’s the excuse – it felt familiar and comfortable for a cat who doesn’t get outside much anymore.

  3. Sam says:

    Eh. Maybe he just gets that he doesn’t really know enough about the subject matter to comment intelligently. The last thing the royals need is a member who likes to shoot their mouth off on things they might not really understand and cause bad PR. The other problem is that fracking isn’t really like poaching in that poaching is largely a problem of poor third-world nations, whereas fracking is a billions of dollars a year business. Too many rich toes can be stepped on by talking about it.

    I can imagine that there are probably hundreds of good causes that line up for the royals to endorse them and that it can be a complex process of choosing who to get involved with. My impression is that the royals (with possibly the exception of Charles) tend to select charities that are largely unobjectionable to most people. They don’t like to court controversy.

  4. Kcarp says:

    I’m thinking he didn’t have a clue what the dude was talking about

    What I don’t get is him and his wife main job is to bs with people. You show up, shake some hands, and bs….how hard is small talk?

    • Kiddo says:

      I fracking hate small talk and shaking hands…it’s so germy and inane.

      • mimif says:

        Lol Kidooooooo

      • bluhare says:

        LOL!!

      • Pippa Mid says:

        +1000

        On small talk. Most don’t care – its royalty and bragging rights photogs its about. That’s what PW* (and Doolittle) is hoping – his status as heir to …is plenty to ignore Royal Duties and Tradition History – and forget there is a lot more ‘common’ subjects of GB UK CW that expect more of a royal to earn respect – the wealth privileged lifestyle he Waity kids enjoy off taxpayers back..

    • Liv says:

      Not a fan, but I don’t think he’s that stupid. And I applaude him for having an opinion on fracking. I’m totally against it and glad that he at least is interested in some things.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        I don’t think he’s stupid, I think he’s just lazy and non curious.

        I think he has heard the word Fracking, but hasn’t a clue about much past that.

      • FLORC says:

        It really is such a complex issue. Yes, it’s easy for many to form a negative opinion, but William isn’t us. He’s aswering on a larger scale and must not offend all parties involved. He could educated himself and have a professional write him a decent opinion to claim as his own. William “shutting down” is pretty awful. He could have side stepped it. I don’t think he’s very prepared for his current role/position and that doesn’t look good for his future role.

    • Kiki04 says:

      I had the same thought (@Liv, I have low expectations of him and his lot). Or probably he knows what fracking is but had no clue how to make a cohesive sensible comment on the topic?

    • Someonestolemyname says:

      He needs to work on his small talk.
      …or insert a cute Prince George story. Into the conversation and get out of the room.

      • melior says:

        Yeah, something like “Since we’re on the topic of fracking, Pince George did some of his own digging last night …”

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        Exactly!!!

      • Pippa Mid says:

        Carp Sam
        +1000

        PWillnot and Waity need to ‘practice- makes perfect’ .attend to duties and take serious – like a bit of homework before getting dressed up to look (and act be informed as heir apparent)… ….I know hopeless considering Doolittle will be gone for about +1.5 years maternity. And will be back with another common dress r hemline makeup – can’t give speeches … on and on (where will. Deacon be).

        Stole Name
        +100000

        P Will Waity will state when they become POW- but they could bypass POW causing a crisis if PC passes first.

        The P George comment PW made to kids were ok with minors. (W*W Just not able to hold over with the +30. intelligent adults. For instance, joke to the children gifting Bells – he said he would place in PGTips pocket ….

        Then tells the President of US, he forgot to ask the sex at PGeorge birth (left indication he knew in advancej / and also confirrn the PR ‘manipulate to us – CH lied (if PW did know the sex before) while PR state PW prefer to wait for the birth).

  5. Jules says:

    Good for him.

  6. inthekitchen says:

    Since he is the one awarding the CBE, shouldn’t Will have been briefed on what each person did? You’d think he would have some small inkling of what each person does and is there for. That seems so odd (or stupid if William doesn’t pay attention to his briefings, which I also wouldn’t doubt…).

    • Red Snapper says:

      In his defense, asking the guy why he was receiving the award was probably an opening conversational gambit. I mean, maybe he wasn’t briefed (or didn’t read what was given to him), but asking general questions is a good way to start the small talk ball rolling. I think they all do it, HM, P Charles, all of them.

  7. Jacqueline says:

    I’m in south texas, fracking capital of universe. That’s some bad stuff. Make way for progress.

  8. Dawn says:

    I believe that fracking will make a select few a ton of money and leave the majority to live with the consequences of polluted ground water and soil. There are sure to be law suites but really the science is already there to tell us this is not such a good idea. Those that make the money will be long gone and won’t care about the mess they leave behind or so history has taught us.

    • LadySlippers says:

      •Dawn•

      The same is true for some of the crappy oil we now tap into (i.e. Keystone pipeline)…. And yet, we still do both fracking and oil drilling.

      *sigh*

    • littlestar says:

      Yep, fracking is a terrible thing and for once I don’t blame William for his response. Fracking is making a select few super rich, while the regular folk who own the land the fracking is done on now have to live with water that can literally start on fire.

  9. Sarah says:

    Speaking of the Royals, anyone else heard the disturbing news about Prince Andrew?

    • LadySlippers says:

      •Sarah•

      What about Andrew isn’t disturbing? Hehe. 😉

      Okay, seriously, what’s he been up to?

      • perplexed says:

        It’s a lot worse than William potentially offering an opinion on fracking. I can’t bear to type it out…

      • Sarah says:

        Don’t know if the link I’ll post will show, but he’s been named in a lawsuit for having forced relations with a minor. Obviously the palace is denying everything.
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/prince-andrew-named-in-underage-sex-lawsuit-9954198.html

      • bluhare says:

        He’s finally been named in the Jeffrey Epstein mess.

      • Dena says:

        There is a pic floating of Andrew with Jeffrey Epstein’s one-time main chic. I’ll see if I can find it. Please forgive the one-time main chic descriptor. I can’t recall her name or age and my descriptor is purely mental shorthand speak.

        ********
        http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/04/article-2597308-1CD41DB800000578-930_634x584.jpg

      • bluhare says:

        Dena, that’s her. I remember an article a while ago where she accused Epstein, admitted to giving Andrew massages, but the DM (I think it was) was very careful to say Andrew was not accused of having sex with her.

        Of course, we all believed it because the royals would NEVER try to censor the press! 😀

      • Dena says:

        Bluhare:

        The impression of what I read (and I think it was based on her accounts) was that she gave Andrew massages as u said but to me I got the impression that those massages could have been really intimate & could have even involved oral sex but nothing else. I’m not trying to split hairs cause sexual abuse is sexual abuse & sexual abuse of a minor is the province of low-life scum who need to have the same degradation practiced on them. But I digress . . . What was your impression of the massages, if u don’t mind sharing? Thanks.

      • bluhare says:

        I agree with you Dena.

      • Pippa Mid says:

        Its pretty incredible if Prince Andrew commit acts and continue to publicly be seen with convicted Eps – perception… Hopefully its a no show to court and just a royal warts of DoE and POW had although that was much younger days.

        What will Fergie do now ost were hopong they hook up again).

        Who will mine the Royal History Monarchy if Prince Harry need to step up – guess could very well fall to Yorks sister B*E York.

        Willnot the celeb – with Qaity cannot on their way out! Prince Harry need to marry a royal of Denmark or Greece. He may be the saivour. If POW passes.

        Another site states –

        Waity ma carole middleton able to take PG to buckleberry Farmers Market; and PG allowed to run around and take food /pudding – even going back for seconds on the pudding (some sites claim PG is fat 🙂 and Maria need to put him on diet! But what about safety …

      • bluhare says:

        Are you serious? George needs to go on a diet?

        (throws in towel and walks out)

      • Citresse says:

        The story of Andrew and Epstein is gaining momentum.
        Remember the past with Andrew and Koo Stark? He knows that world already.

    • Tateru says:

      Just googled.
      Yikes

    • Racer says:

      Yup, this morning. I’m confused. The article stated she was paid, so why then are we calling her a slave?

      • LadySlippers says:

        The Telegraph article I posted below sounds as if many were ‘trafficked’ so they might have been paid but it’s nominal payment. And wouldn’t matter as apparently they were underage and unable to consent either way.

      • wolfpup says:

        Why, oh why, are men so sleezy?

      • bluhare says:

        A woman was involved in this as well. It wasn’t just a man.

      • Citresse says:

        Based on the photo I viewed at DM earlier today of Andrew with the young woman, I’d have to seriously question the denial from BP.

      • wolfpup says:

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2895735/The-account-masseuse-centre-explosive-Prince-Andrew-sex-slave-drama-telling-truth.html
        This looks a little bit like human trafficking. That he partook to an extent has little doubt. He has some real explaining to do to his daughters – this is heartbreaking. How are aristocratic women supposed to see themselves, except as for sexual consumption? Strong women always need to appear in times like this, but it sure would be nice to see some men show up, protective toward young women. Brava’ to the young woman who stood up, so all women and children can be free of these vermin.

      • LAK says:

        Citress: Having your picture taken with Andrew is now conclusive proof that he abused her?

        What that picture proves is that Andrew met the woman. He is not denying that. He is denying the abuse.

      • wolfpup says:

        So we begin the dialogue – do we believe “A Prince” or a little girl grown up to be woman, with nothing to save but herself?

        Men do these kinds of things *because they can* – (just like dogs llck their balls, because they can!). If men were certain that they could not rape women, etc., the world would be a completely different place – a world, truly free to be.

        It does look, however, that these guys have some good times going with the money that isolates them from the regular criminal world. The rich guys just make it fancier! Is it supposed to be okay if the children have pleasant surroundings and good food? But when they are using needles to get over the shame, that’s when we flush?

        This is all patriarchal hangover.

      • Citresse says:

        LAK
        I just read the energy of the photo. Sometimes, I’m wrong. I may be wrong in this case but I feel Andrew is lying. And if so I bet he’s praying there’s no secret video floating around. That would make matters a million times worse. The strike against Andrew is the fact he maintained contact with Epstein post conviction.

    • LAK says:

      This is part of an old case involving Jeffrey Epstein. VF wrote an article about it, and the ‘Andrew’ portion of it blew up internationally.

      Andrew denied it then, HM pulled all references to it in UK media. Andrew cut off all ties with Jeffrey and Ghaislaine Maxwell. It’ll be interesting to see how the Palace handles this new, old story.

      • LadySlippers says:

        •LAK•

        There’s more than one woman alleging to have sex, with royalty, while still a minor. Granted, there’s probably more than one royal Epstein knows, but not many as famous as Andrew.

        This looks damning any way you look at it.

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/11321947/Prince-Andrew-categorically-denies-claims-he-sexually-abused-teenager.html

      • LAK says:

        LS: the VF article talked about multiple women, many under age. The point being made, repeatedly in the article, was that Jeffrey Epstein was a pedophile and Ghaislaine Maxwell was the conduit/trafficker and many of the women *being* trafficked. This case is part of that old story.

        Andrew was mentioned in the article but it said whilst he met several of the girls, it didn’t go any further than that. The *girl in pic posted upthread (from the original article) went as far as saying Andrew had no clue about what was truly going on and simply took everyone/everything at face value.

        When the story hit the UK Media, it was pulled within a few days by special request of HM herself, never to be brought up again.

        I say that Palace response will be interesting because HM shielded Andrew the last time this story came up, what will she do this time?

        * she told her story to VF AFTER Jeffrey Epstein had been convicted, so i’m inclined to believe what she had to say rather than think she was shielding or afraid of Andrew.

        The original story was scathing of Andrew because it said he was too loyal to his friends because he initially stood by Jeffrey. The story also pointed out how Jeffrey had courted Andrew with money and helping out Sarah when she was in financial trouble.

        However, once a conviction was given, Andrew cut off all ties to Jeffrey.

      • Citresse says:

        Epstein was convicted in 2008.
        Andrew was photographed with Epstein in 2011.
        2011 Epstein was helping Fergie with her financial troubles via Andrew.
        Shameful all ’round.

      • LadySlippers says:

        •LAK•

        I am familiar with the old VF story (I actually reread it somewhat recently) but the new allegations are a bit more damning. Especially since more than one woman are making allegations against the whole lot of them.

      • LAK says:

        Citresse: the VF article was in 2011.

        Epstein bailed Fergie out in 2011.

        I confused timing of article with timing of conviction because the resulting scandal *as a result of the article*, is what cut the ties of friendship.

      • Elizabeth R says:

        VERY interested to see how this Andrew / Epstein thing evolves. It’s getting a fair amount of coverage (or, it least seems to me more than in 2011). Wondering when / if the media will “take off the gloves”, and also how the Palace handles things this time around.

    • Megan says:

      Lazy and self involved royals may be bad PR, but a royal acting as if he is above the law is potentially devastating. THIS is what destroys the monarchy.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Acting above the law. Like when a royal constantly attempts to shut down UK freedom of the press at his own whim? (No, I in no way condone what Andrew may have done.)

      • Megan says:

        NOTA – Are you suggesting William’s endless attempts to prevent the media from running photos taken while they are off-duty is the same as Andrew being accused of having sex with minors?

      • notasugarhere says:

        Please don’t put words in my mouth (or onto my fingertips in this case). Did you not notice the part where I typed, “No, I in no way condone what Andrew may have done”? BTW, it is legal to take photographs of anyone in a public place in the UK for profit, including children, without consent of the party photographed. In the UK, there is no such thing as personal privacy in a public space. Not one law for William and another law for everyone else.

        This is not the first, nor will it be the last, time that a royal may done something outside the law. In my opinion none of them should get away with it. (see Cristina of Spain as another recent example). Andrew’s potential sleazy and illegal behavior vs. William (and Charles) trying to shut down UK Freedom of Speech — neither are acceptable.

      • Stephanie says:

        Sadly, sadly disappointed to see that the best gossip column of all time — The UK Daily Mail — did not allow comments to be posted at the bottom of its article on Randy Andy. Assuming this is because everyone in Britain walks a fine line on media censorship?

      • notasugarhere says:

        Stephanie, I think they do that often when it involves legal issues.

      • Megan says:

        Nota – no one is putting words in your mouth, the words are coming from you. The royals are hardly the only people who try to stop the media from printing photos and unfavorable stories. That is called PR. That is why celebrities, sports figures, politicians, businesses, etc., hire PR agencies. Trying to influence the media is not a crime and in no way does it rise to the level of accusations of sex with a minor.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Using your unelected position of power in government to force the media not to print information about you that was legally-obtained? Yes, that is a crime (or should be).

      • Megan says:

        Nota – Did you catch that tell-all documentary about the Koch brothers that was originally supposed to be aired on PBS?

        The wealthy and powerful have always exerted out-sized influence in the media. Like it or not, the freedom of speech gives news outlets absolute discretion when it comes to what stories to run and what stories to pull.

      • notasugarhere says:

        False equivalency again. The wealthy and powerful I’m discussing (BRF) have veto power over laws. Have you not been paying attention to what William and Charles have been doing lately in removing freedom of speech? See the previous CB post about the BBC documentary. The “absolute discretion” isn’t resting with the press in the UK — it is resting with the Windsors.

        What is more damaging to the people of the UK and Commonwealth in the long run?

        1) An already-disgrace minor royal nowhere near the throne who is caught in a scandal alleged to have done horrifying things? Or

        2) Two UNELECTED, tax-funded future Heads of State using their unearned, seemingly unlimited power to destroy the Fifth Estate (a free press)

        I’m going with curtain number two.

      • Pippa Mid says:

        Noatsug Blu Megan Dena

        That’s part of the warts of BR ( but this with PA is filed in US (and claims PA call favours to get Eps a lighter charge with past case)-

        Sad too our sex was the madam. Royals and Billionaires think they should do as they like and all go unreported.

        P Willnot is a main offender to Freedom of Speech and needs to be on notice – the subjects Press take serious exception. Can’t have RF and heir lawbreakers – and expect respect.

        K Felipe Spain sister is up for corruption case too. Fame US Israeli Attorney Professor/ Prime Minister also included in docs.

    • Someonestolemyname says:

      Yes it’s a very damaging story.
      Andrew is fighting back, saying it’s not true.

      • kar says:

        Stephanie- Here’s my LLB/lawyer cap going on:

        Comments are not allowed for ‘legal reasons’ actually, as you’ve probably seen from the DM’s disclaimer on many articles that report ongoing legal proceedings etc. Publishers are liable for everything that is produced within their domain, including comments; liability here refers to contempt or defamation. There is a strict liability offence (intent is irrelevant) that holds you in contempt of court if you publish anything that could seriously prejudice ongoing* proceedings (*ongoing is a bit of a contentious term because it’s hard to determine exactly when legal proceedings begin, whether it’s at the time of arrest or when allegations surface). Even with moderation, they cannot control everything that is said and the average commenter probably has no idea about the legal implications, so media outlets want to limit their liability and the DM, for example, does this by closing comments on stories that could pertain to or do pertain to legal proceedings. As the facts presented in such stories could result in a jury trial, the content of comments could prejudice jury members and lead to defendants not having a fair trial.

  10. Toni says:

    I have a bunch of old friends on facebook whose husbands now work in fracking oilfields and I have such a hard time controlling my tongue whenever they post something about how their husbands work hard in the oilfield to pay welfare for everyone else.

    • LadySlippers says:

      •Toni•

      That IS irritating. But nothing on the gabs of corporate welfare we ALL contribute to — to those companies that make billions in profits every quarter? And don’t need corporate welfare? At all? Probably never did…

      😡

      • wolfpup says:

        The minimum wage needs to come up. If people cannot afford the product, the corporations are not making money, unless of course, they outsource.

  11. Racer says:

    Not a fan of fracking. However, I’m not going to bash that industry or the people making a profit. If you have an issue with corporations raping the environment please understand that the problem starts with consumers- us. I’m not going to hate on people profiting because most consume more than is needed. I’ll take a look at myself first.

    • LadySlippers says:

      •Racer•

      It’s partly the consumers fault. But it’s not solely our fault.

      In the US our government has been hijacked by oligarchs that are spreading oodles of misinformation that help them get rich. The misinformation is quite insidious and pervasive and critics are attacked viciously, which is hardly our fault.

      • Racer says:

        Good point. Its obvious industries take advantage of us by exploiting basic necessities for profit, and that is not the best route towards prosperity. However, most of our 1st world environmental problems are simply because many people put a high value on the acquisition of things wanted not needed. I personally cant wave the banner of unfairness and Eco ruin without recognizing that I do not live in a way that is the antithesis of these organizations. Its like the saying charity starts at home.

      • LadySlippers says:

        •Racer•

        True, we are now chasing commercialism en masse.

        I truly think we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t. Not much ‘winning’ here.

      • Bobby the K says:

        Everything i’ve read or heard about fracking is that it is nasty and evil. However, it makes a few powerful people very wealthy, and we elect their toadies.

        Reminds me of the saying that our problems lie in the fact that we love things and use people, when it should always be the other way around.

    • Hickups and lick ups says:

      @ Racer

      It is a bit lame blaming the consumers – most of them agree with environmental protection acts. But with fracking there happened deception and fraud. The chemicals in that water pumped into the ground are still not known and therefore not discussed / analysed for their damaging potential. Allegedly the chemical mixture is a “patented business secret”.

      Quite honestly the average customers can not possibly determine how toxic and dangerous certain chemicals are – for you need the chemical formula and a degree in chemistry for that and how many people have one? The average customers rely on information from the media (biased and owned by big coporations) and from their political representatives (corrupt and ill-informed) and the state (civil service is purposefully cut down to be ineffective) and from environmental charities like Greenpeace. And apparently this is not sufficient.

      I think the customers as well as the citizens got frauded and deceived in the case of fracking. This didn’t just happen in the US but also in many European countries.

      And Williams complete silence on the issue is rather appalling and looks like incompetence.

      • angelique says:

        Incompetence for sure! He either didn’t know what fracking is or he didn’t know how address the issue honestly and openly in a public forum.
        Either way, it’s incompetence.

      • Racer says:

        True. However, we know how awful it is now and we still vote in politicians that are for it and communities become passive when they think of extra jobs and money to their local economy. We can protest and rant when it comes to fur and not eating meat but I have yet to see a news report about people sitting in at a mall or disturbing a parade in protest of fracking. Why? Because it provides something we consume so most people turn a blind eye eventually if the price is right. Like soda, its horrible for our bodies and everyone knows that included the manufacturers but it taste good going down doesn’t it.

    • Tessy says:

      Racer, its not the “consumer’s” fault … how I dislike that word… but the governments that do not work for the people but instead for the corporations who are responsible for the pillaging of our resources to fill their own pockets. From the environmental disaster of the tar sands, inadequate pipelines running everywhere that constantly rupture, for the total insanity of fracking that destroys the water table & causes earthquakes; and mostly for not encouraging sustainable energy sources which ARE available now but don’t generate enough profit so we are stuck with what is offered to us because we need energy to survive in this world.

      Sorry for the run on sentence. I am so very sickened by what they are doing to Mother Earth and to us in the name of profit.

  12. LAK says:

    Does he know what Fracking is?

    Silence, especially ominous silence, *is* offering an opinion given how contentious this issue is.

    Personally, I think the already anxious energy expert is projecting…..

    And William didn’t know what Fracking is and couldn’t therefore make any small talk.

    I find it an interesting titbit that he didn’t know who was being invested. I know they all do it their way, but Charles, Anne and HM (and his own mother on engagement) ALWAYS know the names of people they met on a more intimate level. They read their briefing notes and have someone to hand to tell them.

    • notasugarhere says:

      It speaks to William thinking the job doesn’t require any preparation or work. Show up, hand things out, go home. Someone did the prep work, he didn’t read the notes.

      • LadySlippers says:

        •notasugarhere•

        Well, not always true William has been noted before about being knowledgeable about something and still saying stupid things. Perhaps silence WAS the better option! Lol

      • MinnFinn says:

        nota – I suspect the same reason.

        LS – Even if he read the presumed staff notes, it’s still a lack of prep. A few seconds of brainstorming in advance and he would have had a ready topic or question to initiate comfortable small talk with the man.

        Sophie just said in her Harper’s interview that the Queen is very good at putting people at ease when they meet her. Sixty years of Britons having personally met the Queen and telling friends and family how nice she was to them is a goldmine in PR terms.

        Sort of related – I assume the reason for Wm’s only day suit being dark blue is to invest minimal time prepping for appearances. Any tie + a white shirt and he’s dressed appropriately. A variety of suits in different patterns and colors require more effort on wardrobe i.e. more luggage for tours, more shopping and coordinating shirts + ties which in turn requires him spending more time in fittings, more staff to manage the wardrobe and someone to shop. Kate of course is the logical and best person to expand Wm’s suit wardrobe as she has the time. And more importantly b/c the best investment of Kate’s time is visiting the shops instead of visiting charities.

      • Green Girl says:

        I am picturing the show “Veep,” where the Vice President’s assistant (played perfectly by Tony Hale) leans over and gives a two-sentence bit on each person the Vice President is about to meet. Doesn’t the Palace have someone like that on staff?

    • LadySlippers says:

      •LAK•

      I think William knows what fracking is.
      However, he clearly hasn’t mastered the art of a neutral and appropriate response to a controversial subject as his grandmother has.

      • Natalie says:

        I also think William knows what fracking is but chose to avoid being inappropriate by speaking out about it then. I hope he does eventually say something against it.

      • LadySlippers says:

        •Natalie•

        But William isn’t required to say anything controversial — even a neutral congrats and I’m sure you are a valuable researcher (or anything complimenting the man not the research) works here. Silence isn’t always golden.

      • Natalie says:

        I’m biased because I loathe fracking. I was relieved when my home state of New York banned it.

        I actually support what William did, showing his lack of support without putting the man down. Even a neutral congratulations could be taken as a sign of support, after all this guy did repeat the conversation to the press. Who knows how he would have twisted W’s words? Honestly, it sounds like William was actually trying to avoid making him feel bad by changing the conversation.

      • LadySlippers says:

        •Natalie•

        I both agree and disagree.

        I too loath fracking but investitures are not a place to air one’s opinion on anything. Royals see a vast array of people during investitures (media, the fine arts, politics, academia, etc.) and some they’ll like and/or agree with. Others they won’t, in fact, it’ll be someone they downright dislike. And all that needs to be put aside in order to award whatever medal/order/recognition the recipient has achieved. QEII has had to make small-talk with all kinds of people, putting aside her personal feelings, it isn’t too much to ask that her family does the same — especially at such a function like this. There are plenty of other avenues in which they can voice their feelings on such matters. Philip, Charles, and William (as has Harry) all been quite vocal about conservation before now.

      • Tessy says:

        Of course he knows what fracking is. I think he disagrees with it too and let it be known by staying silent and not making neutral small talk. Good for him, as in his position he couldn’t have done anything any more direct and said what I would say if I was given the same opportunity.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Tessy, I don’t perceive what he said to be neutral. He said something negative and incomplete instead of something neutral.

      • FLORC says:

        Tessy
        Ofcourse he knows? Threre’s no evidence of that or that he disagrees. You’re really filling in the blanks on William’s inner thoughts, knowledge, and opinions.

        Regarding Fracking. It’s a very complicated issue and the higher up you go the more moving parts there are you must be mindful of. It’s not simply bad because there are more benefits that for the wealthy outweigh the negatives.

        In short William staying silent makes you wonder what he actually knows. He appeared caught off guard and stunned. Not hiding a previously formed opinion.

      • Tessy says:

        @florc everyone else is filling in blanks too when they say he doesn’t know what it is. I tend to think he’s well educated enough that he knows. Maybe I am wrong there but I hope not.
        As to the issue of fracking itself, my view is that injecting undisclosed toxic chemicals into the earth which have even
        a remote possibility to enter the water table and destroy it is insane. Complicated or uncomplicated it doesn’t matter, the precautionary principal should take preference over profit every time.

      • LAK says:

        Ladyslippers: the only one of that trio engaged in environmental causes and has been vocal about it is Charles.

        William is interested in conservation, but only of endangered animals (read big 5) in Africa. :e has never spoken out about conservation in any other part of the world or even talked about environmental conservation.

        Ditto Harry. And we all know Harry was pulled into that conservation conference last minute.

        Infact, of the 2 brothers, Harry was at least pictured caring about recycling in Afghanistan during that army interview/documentary about him, and he has shown interest in gardening as a whole so i’m more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

    • The Original Mia says:

      I seriously doubt William knew what fracking was, hence the blank look on his face. If he knew anything about anything, he would have been able to discuss real events with the President and not his son’s nappies.

      LAK! You’re back! Sorry for hijacking, but I was wondering where you’d gone. Good holidays?

      • LAK says:

        Definitely good hols @the original Mia.

        I find W really and truly pathetic. I am still suffering from 2nd hand embarrassment over the Felipe thing, the Obama thing and now Fracking thing. How is he ever to become a statesman?

        It’s not the lack of royal duties, it’s the obvious lack of knowledge and training. He’s as bad as ‘do they still make Faberge eggs?’ wife. Except it’s worse with him because he will be a head of state.

      • Someonestolemyname says:

        well said LAK.

        +1000
        It’s like the Faberge event with Kate.

    • Sixer says:

      I think he knows what fracking is. I imagine his father is against it and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s been a topic in the infamous letters to officials. Also, there have been mutterings about how and to whom the exploratory licences were given – this is after the current government merged the departments of energy and environment, which should give you some idea of their priorities. Since the price of oil has now plummeted and it looks as though they’ll stay that way for some time, it’s a delicate topic as those licences are suddenly looking a lot less valuable. It’s a political mess, gossip-wise, if you’re into political gossip.

      Given all that, I can imagine that even dopey William would realise it’s not a topic to discuss!!

      • LAK says:

        Sixer: I have no faith in William’s ability no matter the situation unless he can insert an anecdote about PGtips.

        Pretty sure Charles knows what it is, but William has not demonstrated that he knows much about anything.

        This is a man who failed to recognise one of his own peers, who attended his own wedding AND whose installation as the King of Spain was an all day running commentary on the news channels and most papers.

        Had nothing to say to Obama – boy did that show him up.

        Ps: I love political gossip. I especially love PMQs. However, having my news permanently tuned to the parliamentary channel has been very educational. All those sub-commitees and lone parliamentarians making speeches in the background as I work. Amazing what’s worked it’s way into my brain.

      • Sixer says:

        Well, when you put it like that…. (!)

        You said that about BBC Parliament t’other day. It is instructive, isn’t it?! For good and ill. But that’s exactly what I do when I’m working – rolling news and/or parliament on in the background. I prefer the HoL debates, when we get them. You get more thoughtful speeches and less obnoxious behaviour.

      • wolfpup says:

        What an excellent idea! I would like that much better than elevator music; what a wonderful way to infuse your thoughts.

      • LAK says:

        I find the obnoxious behaviour entertaining. I don’t know what that says about me….

      • LAK says:

        Double post.

      • bluhare says:

        You’re like most of us here? 🙂

  13. angelique says:

    Sometimes I think William rolls into these events like he just finished a night out at Maliki. Really, how hard is it to ask his staff of 20+ employees to prepare a summary of the day’s topics. Since his staff is presumably literate he could even ask an aid to read aloud as he zips through London in his ultra posh Audi.

    Yeesh!!

  14. Citresse says:

    When I see the photo of Kate and William walking down the steps and William is holding Kate’s hand (and holding her hand on xmas walk to church), it makes me think of how few photos there are of Charles doing the same when married to Diana. Sad.
    If Diana could ever know the negative comments on William and Kate but especially William, she’d probably blame Charles too since he basically took over when William was 15.

    • LAK says:

      There are hundreds of photos and videos of the first 4yrs of Charles and Diana looking and being loving. Much more loving and engaged with each other than Kate and William have ever looked even back in their early days.

      It’s just that after those 4yrs, we have a million more photos of them hating each other.

      If you find royal fandoms dedicated to Diana, you’ll find many of these early pictures and videos.

      A really good one is B.R.G tumblr.

      • The Original Mia says:

        Can probably count on one hand the number of times W&K have looked engaged and in love.

      • wolfpup says:

        Another good site is, Princess Diana Remembered. They also follow William and Kate.

      • Citresse says:

        Yes, I’ve seen the photos you reference of Charles and Diana. I was thinking of the apparent longevity of the loving and caring relationship of W&K v C&D.
        Will and Kate have known each other for many years yet I noted on the AUS and NZ tour last April, William still looking smitten with Kate. They may never have been the couple with total sparks flying but they seem to have an enduring love based on friendship and that’s nice to see among the Royal family.
        I have never seen a photo of Charles holding Diana’s hand walking to Sandringham church.

      • notasugarhere says:

        Citresse, you must have missed the photos of William publicly chastising Kate Middleton next to the helicopter at an event in AU/NZ.

      • Citresse says:

        Notasugarhere, yes I did miss the chastising of Kate beside the helicopter. I will google it and see.

      • bluhare says:

        Citresse, some think the photo just shows William shouting to be heard over the rotors. I have a hard time thinking he’d chastise her in public like that. I would think he’d save it for private time.

      • LAK says:

        Bluhare: their body language isn’t simply someone needing to be heard over the rotors. She’s looks like a slapped puppy whilst he yells and gestulates before appearing to storm off.

      • bluhare says:

        I just went and googled and I couldn’t find it. If he yells at her in public that’s poor form.

      • Elly says:

        i remember the photos. Sadly i think the photos show what William is in private. Kate ducked away while he had one of his moments 🙁

        The website with the photos was named something with giraffe…look a giraffe or so?!

      • Elly says:

        i found them. It´s tumblr “Look, a giraffe!” and when i look at the other posts the author is no fan of Kate and William

        http://lookagiraffe.tumblr.com/post/86640185351/im-guessing-this-is-why-prince-willy-was

      • anne_000 says:

        The ‘chastising’ at the helicopter was, iirc, right after Kate’s skirt blew up showing her buttocks to the paps.

        Yes Kate. Helicopters, tarmac, wind, flimsy skirts. Which of these things don’t go with the others?

      • bluhare says:

        That’s the photo I found. OK, I can see why people think William’s yelling but I don’t see Kate looking cowed. Maybe she is, I don’t know. But WIlliam’s wearing earplugs, so he probably can’t hear himself talk. Can’t tell if she is, but if she is she can’t hear him either.

        And that photo, from what I understand, was a total split second and the photographer didn’t know what she had until days later so it’s unlikely he was chastising her for that. But everyone wants to see what they want to, and I’m not so sure he was yelling at her about her skirt.

      • Citresse says:

        Thanks Elly for posting a link to the “chastising” photos.
        I can’t see how William is upset with Kate. It appears they’re having a chat but William doesn’t appear angry or agitated.
        There is one shot where Kate has her head turned and in that one she appears to be affected by the conversation. If the subject was her repeated flying skirts, then why does it keep happening?

      • LAK says:

        B: I won’t speculate on what he is chastising her for. I think people assume that it was about the flying skirts, but I think that’s reaching due to the proximity of the photo of said flying skirts. The flying skirt pic could have been before or after this moment, i’m inclined to think it was after since they are walking away from the helicopter in that picture.

        The set of 3 pics show William gestulating, his face contorted even though we can only see profile, mouth wide open and hands gestulating. whatever he is saying to her, he is clearly very passionate about it. Her body curved in on itself at the shoulders, knees and her arms are protecting herself, not just her skirts. And the lowered head throughout, and submissive expression on her face especially as she tucks the hair behind her ear as he storms off. Look at the expression on his face as he storms off….

        I don’t know how you can’t see all that….

      • bluhare says:

        Hi LAK,

        There was only one photo in the link and I was basing what I said on that. If there’s a series showing what you said, then that’s a different story.

      • Elly says:

        bluhare: in the link you just have to scroll down for the two other pictures

    • Someonestolemyname says:

      There are some great lovey pictures of Charles and Diana in the early years.

      • Citresse says:

        From all the biographies, books and videos I’ve read/seen over the years, I would have to say that after the birth of Harry, the break up of Charles and Diana seemed fairly mutual. Diana said Charles’ disappointment of a second boy turned her off and Charles thinking the duty was over as far as having secured an heir and spare.
        And I can’t help but wonder if Charles, before he married Diana, quietly admitted he was involved with Camilla but he asked her to give of herself to the country and Commonwealth by agreeing to marry him (that’s what she meant by describing herself as the “sacrificial lamb” and provide heirs. Diana agreed thinking she could eventually win Charles’ heart but failed. I don’t think Charles disliked being with Diana during the early years, however, Camilla presented a maturity and more intellectual stimulation. And Diana couldn’t compete.

      • wolfpup says:

        Andrew Morton’s, Diana’s True Story, would end all speculations, as to Diana’s expectation of her marriage, being an aristocratic “open” one. This is the story where the outline of her failed marriage began on her honeymoon; with the discovery of a bracelet from Charles to Camilla, and cufflinks, vicever.

        Another important idea to consider here, is that Diana’s own home, had been torn apart from the forces of infidelity. Like most young women, Diana wanted a marriage that was superior to her own parents – that is, one of greater safety, than she had known. It was this vulnerability that made it all so gut-wrenching for her. This is the childhood that made her so woefully inadequate, to deal with it happening to her *all over again*. She had been in love with Prince Charles, and felt as rotten as any one of us, if our true love was a wanderer. She did try it his way – but a public marriage could never work like this – it’s too good of a bad story.

        It’s wrong to believe that there are men who are above the law. It’s true, people fail, but no one should be able to say they are above the law by virtue of birth.

    • Citresse says:

      I guess I was thinking of the steps and Kate being pregnant (NYC photos above) vs
      when Diana and Charles left the hospital after William’s birth, Charles didn’t appear to help Diana walking down the hospital steps. Yes, I know she wasn’t pregnant but she’d just given birth. I thought Charles was a jerk for that too among other issues.

      • wolfpup says:

        Citresse: I often have the same thoughts. It’s like these men are thinking, “I’m the Diva – I’m the Diva”. They are not conversant with the niceties that we expect from gentlemen – and so funny to watch. It’s quite apparent that courtly romance does not occur in the House of Windsor – Ladies, take your begging plates…that’s often how Kate appears.

      • Citresse says:

        Yes Wolfpup.
        I reviewed news footage to see what Charles was doing at the time. He was the one carrying William down the steps. I guess he wanted the attention first after the hospital doors finally opened, leaving Diana again to fend for herself.
        Years ago I read comments on a different website, regarding the moment they stepped into the waiting car. Someone stated the car looked really cheap and dumpy for such an occasion.

  15. Hickups and lick ups says:

    Oh come on.
    This guy will be king one day and all he manages when meeting the opposition is “It is going to be difficult.” Come on. Just imagine what Prince Phillip would have done. He would have made a joke and at the same time dragged the public servant on his own side and both would have been happy.

    I doubt that William would do anything against fracking. The guy doesn’t even utter a single word against it when meeting a civilised civil government employee. What does William have to lose? Nothing. Even if he caused a minor disturbance then people would be glad Prince Washcloth Duke of Can’tCrossTheBridge has an opinion about something and utters it for once.

    The fracking industry is most likely going bust cause the oil price keeps going down. Fracking industry needs an oil price above $70 or $80 and the oil price is going down below that.
    Apparently the Opec doesn’t want to co-exist with the competition (fracking industry).

  16. Stephanie says:

    Those of you knowledgeable about all things BRF (I’m looking at you, LadySlippers) I’ve got a question. The official page for the BRF has a section about the family name. It said when the Queen ascended she decided all of her children would use Windsor -Mountbatten as a surname when one was necessary. However Will and Harry use Wales (on uniforms and such), why is that?

    • LadySlippers says:

      If you look, the website should also state those without titles use Mountbatten-Windsor. So, the Wales’ and the Yorks’ use their fathers’ (or husband’s) territorial disignator as their last name.

    • angelique says:

      I read somewhere (don’t remember where) that people like Harry and Will are supposedly so recognizable that they could name them selves anything they want. Kind of like The Artist Formerly Known As Prince.

    • LAK says:

      Since the royal family doesn’t have a surname, they are using their father’s Peerage title as a surname. All the other royals do it too.

      William should have stopped using it since he was granted DoC title and is now William Cambridge rather than Wales. Harry will do the same when/if he is granted a title.

      For the purposes of legalities they use their dynastic name ie Mountbatten-Windsor eg they all sign their wedding certificates ‘Mountbatten-Windsor’ and when William sued that french photographer, he was listed as William Mountbatten-Windsor.

      Angelique: There was a previous Earl of Wessex, but before 1066.

      Edward saw it used in the film SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE and loved it and so requested it. It’s supposed to be a reflection of his love of the arts which at that point he was somewhat involved with. His children use Mountbatten-Windsor rather than Wessex, but i’m sure if, as expected, he becomes DoE, then they will use Edinburgh as their surname.

      • Citresse says:

        Speaking of Edward the Earl of Wessex, I noted the fact Lady Louise was there on the Christmas morning walk to church but didn’t see the son. Perhaps considered too young like PGTips?

  17. Stephanie says:

    I was also reading on the Queen’s jewels. She supposedly has a diamond brooch with 50m pounds. I can’t believe the UK/commonwealth like a figure head that much that they are willing financially support anyone this rich.

    • angelique says:

      Does it belong to the Queen personally or is it part of the Crown Jewels?
      If it doesn’t belong to her personally then she doesn’t actually own it. She could never sell it for profit.

      Anyway, it does seem like the BRF is quite comfortable financially although there is talk of downsizing in the near future.

    • LAK says:

      Was the 50M diamond brooch identified? Half the collection doesn’t belong to her. The more valuable pieces tend to be crown/state pieces.

      She can’t sell them. Also, HM doesn’t spend money on jewellery. Her big expenditure is horses. Most, if not all her jewellery, is inherited or gifted.

    • notasugarhere says:

      My guess would be the “Granny’s chips” brooch from the Cullinan diamond. I do not know if it is personal or state property.

      • LAK says:

        Nota: that was my first thought too. I think ‘granny’s chips’ belong to the crown.

        If Kate can’t handle the papyrus and Halo tiaras, or the Nizam of Hyderabad necklace, she’ll never handle ‘granny’s chips!!!

      • notasugarhere says:

        From the Royal Collection Trust website (which has info about the Cullinan and Granny’s chips). “The Royal Collection is held in trust by The Queen as Sovereign for her successors and the nation. It is not owned by her as a private individual.”

    • bluhare says:

      http://orderofsplendor.blogspot.com/2012/04/queens-top-10-diamonds-10-victorias.html

      Maybe this one? She wore it to the WWII commemorations this year (the neon green outfit) and it is absolutely huge. You can’t really tell the scale on this article. But if anything could be worth that much money it’s this one.

      • LAK says:

        Granny’s chips are bigger and weigh more.

        Their proper name is: Cullinan III and Cullinan IV. Those things are huge. I can’t post links, but i’m sure the royal splendor blog has a post on them.

      • bluhare says:

        Than that one? Be still my heart!

      • notasugarhere says:

        Bluhare, thanks for the reminder re. Sartorial Splendor. She has a post about Granny’s Chips, I just can’t get links to go through. Look for The Cullinans, Part 2 Granny’s Chips

      • bluhare says:

        Oh yes. Those. 🙂

      • notasugarhere says:

        If you visit the Sartorial Splendor post, I think that first picture of the brooch is roughly life size (if you’re using laptop or desktop computer). Yowza.

  18. wow says:

    he’s an imbecile – no idea what fracking is

    jesus – what the F

    how is he so stupid

    God save the Queen’s Empire…..

  19. Charlie's Angel says:

    Long time reader of CB, but never a poster. I read this site to escape from my suburban life, but just had to comment when topics like the BRF and fracking collide.
    I agree with posters above that it was probably inappropriate for William to comment about such an issue at such an event. And I will preface this with being completely anti-fracking.
    But I live in Ground Zero (West Virginia/Ohio/Pennsylvania border) and you have no idea what fracking, or living with it, entails. I am in no way defending William, but he is probably in a tough position if he really is a conservationist looking at the long game, while being leader for his country who needs to support jobs and growth right now. This is a huge issue in my area right now.
    That being said, there is a lot more to fracking. Go research who really owns the mineral rights to a piece of property. You might currently own your 5 or 20 or 1,00 acres, but someone else might own the mineral rights and can permit your land to be cracked and collect royalties. Or their is embodiment domain and if all your neighbors sign up and you don’t, the companies will frack anyway and you get no royalties. I’m not sure if it’s the same in the UK as the US, biased on the comments I have read here about the estate and holdings of the BRF, perhaps they benefiting no matter their environmental stance? This is pure speculation.

  20. Jaded says:

    William’s PR people should have put together a bland statement he could have made in the event one was required. Something along the lines of “I’ve heard of advancements in the technology, and that it can be a cost-effective way of tapping into fossil fuels, however more study needs to be done on its safety, especially where sites are located close to residential properties.” Instead he goes all radio silence and pouts.

    • wolfpup says:

      It would be nice if they could make him stop pouting – it looks so disagreeable; nearly haughty.

      Poor Wills, he’ll get it right!