Jessa Duggar-Seewald is my favorite of all of the Duggar children. I don’t know why. I guess I consider her the prettiest, plus I kind of think she might have front-hugged her now-husband before they were married, which is so scandalous. She kisses like a wanton harlot and she’s really adept at social media, even though I think she’s spending too much time posting Instagram photos and not enough time getting knocked up, you know? They’ve been married more than two months: where’s the pregnancy announcement? And don’t say that women wait until the second trimester. These are Duggars. They announce it as soon as the egg is fertilized.
Anyway, just before Jessa married Ben Seewald, they traveled together to Washington. They went sightseeing, and they ended up going to the Holocaust Museum. The trip was so moving, Jessa posted a huge rant on her Instagram about how abortion is just like the Holocaust – go here to see. That’s par for the course with the Duggars – the whole family is anti-choice, anti-LGBT, anti-other-religions-besides-Baptists. So it shouldn’t be shocking to anyone that Jessa spent her Sunday marching at an anti-choice (I refuse to call it “pro-life”) rally in Little Rock, Arkansas.
Jessa Duggar took to the streets of Arkansas on Sunday, Jan 18, to march at a pro-life rally and stand up for her religious, anti-abortion views.
“Headed to Little Rock right now for the annual March for Life,” the 19 Kids and Counting star captioned a photo promoting the march which she shared via Instagram on Sunday. “Join us at our state Capitol at 2pm, and together let us take a stand for the life of the unborn.”
While the 22-year-old didn’t specify which of the Duggar family were joining her, she did share photos taken during the march, one showing a sea of protesters at her State Capitol, and another of a banner which read, “God Loves Every Life from Beginning to End.”
And later in the day, the Duggar clan shared more pictures on the family’s Facebook page, including one of Jessa and husband Ben Seewald posing for a photo with a fan, and another of parents Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar with anti-abortion placards in the background.
As I said, this isn’t shocking. I’m less offended that she walked in a rally than when she posted that stupid Holocaust = abortion Instagram. Jessa can do what she wants, she can walk in any rally she wants, she can be anti-choice and she can talk about it freely and post about it on social media. That’s her choice. That’s her call. But we can roll our eyes, can’t we? That’s our choice, isn’t it? To not really care what a wanton Duggar harlot has to say about our reproductive freedoms?
Photos courtesy of Jessa Duggar-Seewald’s social media.
Who cares what these christbots do?
+1000000000
You do. You clicked on the story.
agree
Christbots? wow that’s an offensive term. Funny how it’s so much easier for people like you to make fun of christians yet I never hear a peep about other religious groups.
“You people” isn’t exactly warm and fuzzy either. And the reason why so many people from predominantly Christian-identifying places have no problem mocking Christianity is because we have a history with it. I had it shoved in my face all through my childhood. Not by my parents either; by sneaky schools and friends and parents of friends and relatives. I feel like I’ve earned the right to have a bit of a poke at the hypocrisy of a religion that I’ve had people spout at me my whole life to mock/berate/criticise/condemn so many things that are important to me.
You don’t like it? Okay. I couldn’t care less.
never hear a peep?
does $cientology ring a bell?
perhaps these “Christians” (who act in a most UN-christian-like way toward a whole lotta people) shouldn’t give us so much fodder to mock.
That’s really rich @Charlotte since you’re viewpoint is just as hypocritical as these christians you speak of. I’m sure you tout peace and tolerance of all religious beliefs, yet you feel comfortable to poke at christianity specifically? Hmm what a shock! for every self proclaiming christian who taints the philosophy and core values of christianity, there are muslims, buddhists, Jews who will do the exact same thing and fail to live up to the true standards of their religion. It’s amazing how Christians get so bagged on here for their religious beliefs, yet I don’t hear a single thing about another religious fanatic’s actions on Celebitchy.
Oh and if you have had a problem with religious standard getting “Shoved in your face”- take it up with the people who did that to you. Don’t extract that part of your past and “shove” it to the rest of the Christian demographic. It would only make sense, right?
My viewpoint isn’t hypocritical at all, lululemon1. You have just made a whole lot of assumptions, but I’m not surprised.
As far as wanting others on here to attack other religions, do your own dirty work.
@Charlotte oh so can you be more specific what about I’m assuming wrong? Am I assuming wrong that you are someone who thinks it would be right to respect all religious beliefs?
and in response to you saying that I WANT others to attack other religions- I’d say you’re the commentator making wild assumptions here. Where have I said that I want people to attack other religious beliefs? Here’s a little blurb about me, even though I’m sure you don’t care- I’ve been actively involved in an organization that sets up connections and partnerships with all 5 main sects of major religions which includes Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism. I will never in my life wish or desire any of these beautiful, uniquely founded religions to be belittled, stomped on, and attacked.
I see a trend online where people seem to attack Christianity at the drop of a hat and I’d like to see how it’s different from any other religious sects that vouch for similar beliefs.
and I’d say I’m really not surprised at you not making too much sense since I didn’t expect that after reading your first comment.
That’s all I got to say. It’s exhausting having to wait back and hear from you, and frankly I really don’t think there’s anything I could say to make you reevaluate your own thinking process. And yes, everyone has the freedom to voice their opinion on religious beliefs, political opinions, etc. Just make sure it’s not aimed at only one particular religion because you had some horrible encounter with a small group of Christians that leads you to mock the entire religion and it’s several billion remaining members.
It’s true, God loves and cherishes every life. I assume this march was also in support of WIC, universal preschool, healthcare, and an end to the death penalty?
Bingo, the Duggars support every SINGLE life, that is why they love to post pictures with their big guns! (Not arguing for or against the right to bear arms, just pointing out the contradictions in they way they think.)
Fundies care about babies until they reach the end of the birth canal.
Once they’re out, they’re on their own.
Exactly Minx.
I’d say it’s probably more in support of personal responsibility and waiting until one is emotionally and financially ready to procreate, and not using abortion as a form of birth control.
And why end the death penalty? Those on death row earned their fate. Unborn children are the most helpless of all people.
And I’m not a fundie. I’m not even a christian.
You are aware that the ones who have to KILL people who were senteced to death are actually becoming muderers themselves?!
The comment about ending the death penalty was stated to make a point. They’re saying you shouldn’t call yourself ‘pro-life’ when you really mean ‘pro babies.’
You can’t support death in some cases while spouting ‘God is the only one who can judge! God loves EVERYBODYZ!!”
I didn’t mention a god. I don’t think a god has much of anything to do with it, so please don’t assign that mentality to my comment.
And I will stand corrected. You are right. I will not call myself “pro life” anymore, as I do entirely support the death penalty for those that earn it. I will refer to myself as pro personal responsibility, then. That’s probably more fitting anyway. Thanks for pointing that out.
Most people who end up on death row tend to be of a certain race and have committed the same crimes that white people have, but just have not had the access to the same quality of lawyers. So if you truly think that it was a fair system that put them on death row and that only those deserving of that extreme penalty are there, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Humm – it seems that having an abortion for an unwanted baby is the most personally responsible thing you can do. Having babies ad nauseum just because you want to have lots of sex seems the most irresponsible thing any current human can do.
testify!
If they’re so “pro-life” why aren’t they at all the ferguson (and related) protests? Or fighting to end poverty? Or trying stop every single war? They couldn’t be more obvious in showing that this is all about having control over women’s bodies..
The comments on her Instagram posts were making me nauseous, one of the stupidest ones was from a Duggar fan who said that “if we’re all ‘independent women’ why do we want the government to pay for birth control?” LOL I’m really not trying to be that insulting but it’s like they have no critical thinking skills at all.
They are pro-white lives, Anna. Pro-white, Christian lives.
Pro white, Christian, STRAIGHT lives.
BOOM.
Yes! How could i forget?
Protestant also, I don’t think they’re too fond of Catholics.
Unless the Catholic is Frothy Santorum.
Flora Kitty, you are NAUGHTY!
Me likes it!
They are only “pro-unborn-life”. They don’t give a sh*t about anything that happens after birth. It’s so hypocritical.
+1
“We don’t like to kill our unborn; we need them to grow up and fight our wars.”
It is a Marilyn Manson qoute, but it fits nicely here,
+1 @Zip!
Mama says if you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything. So here: She’s very pretty, God Bless.
*leaves*
You get back here right now!
Meh, not surprising at all. I would love it if more people used the term “anti choice” because that’s really what it is, not pro life.
This All day long!
Ooh, anti choice is perfect! Sorry, but no one has the right to tell any woman what to do with their OWN bodies.
Dito!
But people have lots of choices…why is killing your own child one of them? There’s doubling up on birth control to be certain to prevent an unwanted pregnancy. There’s adoption for those who get pregnant but don’t want the baby. There’s ***horrors*** abstinence until you’re ready for the responsibility of preventing an unwanted pregnancy. That’s pro choice. Abortion is actually pro death, or anti-life.
No one’s saying women shouldn’t do what they want with their own bodies. But once she’s pregnant, it’s not her own any more. It also belongs to the baby she is carrying. Any woman that is capable of killing her own baby is frightening to me. If she can do that…then what else is she capable of?
Honestly. The ignorance of this comment blows my mind.
So. SamiHami. What if a woman can’t survive a pregnancy. What if she doubled up on birth control and those failed. Should she die to protect the life of a fetus that is not able to support itself?
Should a teenaged girl who is raped be forced to carry through a pregnancy?
If all those who are so anti-abortion started providing good homes for the children that go into foster systems or adoption agencies, then they can have more voice in the matter.
When you can show me a fetus able to make up it’s mind, I’ll be okay with them getting a say in things. In a medical sense, it takes about 40+ days before there is any brain activity. If an adult does not have brain activity, they are declared legally and medically dead and there is no need for medical personnel to keep this being alive. At the very least, up until 5 weeks or so, there should be no question on the ability to abort. Because why should a functioning adult have less rights without brain function than human cells that have not finished developing?
To assume that a woman getting an abortion is somehow a sinister being is ridiculous, and offensive on so many levels. By your logic then, if the man didn’t double up on safety, and didn’t abstain from an activity that led to pregnancy – and the mother who has to carry this child for 9 months does not want the baby, then logically, he should be forced to care for it himself. I think that’s a fair solution, non? If that was the law, I bet there’d be a lot more in agreement with pro-choice legislation.
At the end of the day – if you don’t agree with abortion, don’t get one. Simple as that. Same goes for those opposing gay marriage. Don’t like it – don’t get gay married.
@Erinn perfectly stated. I’d also like to point out that it shouldn’t matter whether a woman is aborting a pregnancy due to rape, medical issues, or simply because she doesn’t want to have a baby– that’s the whole point of CHOICE. People like SamiHami don’t have to like it, but they should also not shame the people who do go through with it, as it’s a very difficult decision for the majority of women.
I don’t care about people having their own opinions (however ill-informed they may be), but I do take issue when they start to force those opinions on everyone else in an air of moral superiority. Seriously? STFU.
well said erinn.
I’m siding with Sami here (even though I wouldn’t have put it in those words…Sami don’t act superior). It amazes me how all of you are all ‘how can you support hate!’ and then get venomous when a comment shows up that isn’t in line with your views. I’m not asking any of you to change your abortion views, but don’t go slamming on others who feel strongly against abortion. Many anti-abortionists have legit reasons as to why they are against it. Not all of us are chasing you down in the streets and yelling that you’re going to hell. I see no problem with the Duggar supporting a cause she believes in.
(Slow clap for Erinn)
I don’t know if I have much to add, accept if one is so against abortion, why not try to get to root of the problem instead of demonizing the women who get them? When you are talking about getting an abortion for financial/emotional reason, how about working to make health care more affordable, sex education better, hell education better in general and more affordable, more jobs and job training, etc.? Saying people should always control their “base” urges in useless, imho, and very unrealistic.
To be quite honest, I’d rather a woman have an abortion then bring a life into the world that they have no way or no desire to care for, and a foster system that is already overwhelmed.
SamiHami, are you really implying that any woman who terminates a pregnancy, for ANY reason, is a sociopath that is “capable of anything”?
really?!
Erinn, thank you for your post. I’d like to add to your list a woman who knows the fetus will be stillborn, or a fetus with such a horrible illness that he/she wouldn’t even last a day or two after being born.
And THIS:
” if the man didn’t double up on safety, and didn’t abstain from an activity that led to pregnancy – and the mother who has to carry this child for 9 months does not want the baby, then logically, he should be forced to care for it himself. I think that’s a fair solution, non?”
I LOVE IT. my (very Catholic) mother always used to say “if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.”
ETA: WinterLady, you addition was AWESOME. base urges are OK for the menfolk because…you know…consequence-free sex! but those womenfolk really need to control their slutty-selves.
Mmhmm —
” It amazes me how all of you are all ‘how can you support hate!’ and then get venomous when a comment shows up that isn’t in line with your views. ”
Do tell where I got venomous. The most ‘offensive’ thing I said was that the comment was mind-blowingly ignorant. Which it was. It is incredibly ignorant to assume a correlation between someone who had an abortion and them doing terrible things. “Any woman that is capable of killing her own baby is frightening to me. If she can do that…then what else is she capable of?” – That was her quote in which she implied that a woman who sought an abortion has a lower moral standard than a woman who does not, and is somehow more capable of dastardly things than a woman who has not had one.
I did not say that Sami wasn’t entitled to her opinion. I didn’t say she couldn’t disprove of abortions. I simply said that her comment was ignorant, and gave my own. If she wants to go to a pro-life rally, whatever. I’m merely saying that if you don’t support it, don’t get one. Don’t start telling other people what they can’t do with their body when it comes to a very safe medical procedure. Feel free to list any legit reasons why someone doesn’t support it -as I and other posters have listed legit reasons why it should be up to the woman who is pregnant whether she decides to carry on with a pregnancy.
ETA- I’m not slamming her because she’s against abortion. I’m hardly slamming anyone. If I’m slamming ANYTHING with my comment it’s offensive comments such as the ones Sami made.
@Erinn, while reading this story, or any story about anti abortion, I think just like you. I couldn’t imagine how awful it would be for a rape victim to become pregnant and the child was the result of a crime. It’s not sinister to have the abortion when it’s know the baby will be born with little to no chance of life. When it comes to adoption, it would be hard to let go of the baby that had spent 9 months growing in my body. People like SamiHami should think of things like that before calling this murder
If 1/3 women have an abortion at some point in their lives, you should be terrified to walk down the street Sami. You’re entitled to not like abortion. Guess what, no one “likes” abortion. Your morality doesn’t get to determine what others do or don’t do.
Agreeing with you Sami and mmhmm – it’s astonishing that something like this makes headline news on a gossip site – clearly to bait those who hold opposing sentiments into a frothing mess about how much disagree with her political views. Biased much? Go ahead and disagree with what this woman believes and how she lives, but my goodness the hypocrisy and sheer ignorance that many posters are displaying right now simply because Jessa’s beliefs don’t fall in line with theirs. What a travesty not everyone thinks alike, right?!
“Any woman that is capable of killing her own baby is frightening to me. If she can do that…then what else is she capable of?”
Wow.
Erinn, disagreeing with you does not equal ignorance.
“If all those who are so anti-abortion started providing good homes for the children that go into foster systems or adoption agencies, then they can have more voice in the matter.” Actually, you are mistaken. You don’t get to decide who gets a voice in the matter. Who made you the one in charge of who gets a say in anything?
And I see you have fallen back on the old, trite tactic of citing the most extreme possible circumstances to back up your opinion. That shows me that you have a weak argument.
Look, you believe what you want to, that’s your right. I’ll believe what I want to as that is my right. But don’t villainize everyone who holds a different opinion. I honestly believe that most abortions would stop happening if people did exercise personal responsibility to prevent pregnancy to begin with, and I stand by that. Better to prevent an unwanted pregnancy than to terminate one.
And Maeliz, think about what you typed for a minute: “When it comes to adoption, it would be hard to let go of the baby that had spent 9 months growing in my body. People like SamiHami should think of things like that before calling this murder ” That is unbelievably twisted thinking. It’s too hard to allow the child to live and be raised by someone else–so killing the child is better? Is that what you really meant? I would think that because it’s hard to let go of a baby that’s grown inside your body, that it’s better to be responsible with birth control to prevent that from happening to begin with.
Mmhmm and SteaminSam, it’s not just that “it wasn’t in line” with our views.
that poster implied that any woman who terminates, for any reason, is a sociopath who is “capable of anything”. to add, it was, as Erinn said, ignorant. and seemingly uninformed. also, completely unrealistic.
you can’t have a civil debate with someone who makes extreme accusations or isn’t informed on the topic.
also, SteaminSam, it’s not terrible (or a travesty) that people have differing views. against abortion? great! don’t have one. but don’t tell me what to do with my body when you don’t know jack about my life or situation, and don’t try to make YOUR opinion on the matter the ABSOLUTE RULE for everyone.
SteaminSam
“Go ahead and disagree with what this woman believes and how she lives, but my goodness the hypocrisy and sheer ignorance that many posters are displaying right now simply because Jessa’s beliefs don’t fall in line with theirs. ”
Do point out the hypocrisy here, as well as the ignorance and bias in the replies to Sami’s post. Like I said in my above post- she can have all the beliefs she wants, but when spouting them on a forum, she has to prepare for people to criticize them – just as I’m prepared. She can have beliefs til the cows come home, but when those personal beliefs start determining what procedures a woman is allowed to do to her body- how is THAT not an issue. If she doesn’t believe in abortions, nobody is forcing anyone to get one.
But it’s okay for Sami to insinuate that a woman who has gotten an abortion is somehow capable of more nefarious things is okay? I think that is a good example of the hypocrisy you’re complaining about.
My editing time timed-out before I could save the edits, because I had posted before Sami’s reply came up. Here is my edited post:
SteaminSam
“Go ahead and disagree with what this woman believes and how she lives, but my goodness the hypocrisy and sheer ignorance that many posters are displaying right now simply because Jessa’s beliefs don’t fall in line with theirs. ”
Do point out the hypocrisy here, as well as the ignorance and bias in the replies to Sami’s post. Like I said in my above post- she can have all the beliefs she wants, but when spouting them on a forum, she has to prepare for people to criticize them – just as I’m prepared. She can have beliefs til the cows come home, but when those personal beliefs start determining what procedures a woman is allowed to do to her body- how is THAT not an issue. If she doesn’t believe in abortions, nobody is forcing anyone to get one.
But it’s okay for Sami to insinuate that a woman who has gotten an abortion is somehow capable of more nefarious things is okay? I think that is a good example of the hypocrisy you’re complaining about.
Sami:
“But don’t villainize everyone who holds a different opinion.” you just villainized women who got an abortion.
Speaking of weak arguments – I’ve given you points with verifiable information. Where are yours?
” I honestly believe that most abortions would stop happening if people did exercise personal responsibility to prevent pregnancy to begin with, and I stand by that. ”
Your statements are idealizations of the argument. Of course there would be less abortions if people didn’t have sex when they weren’t ready for the ‘consequences’. But you know what? There’d be a hell of a lot less abortions if contraception was readily available to those that needed it, and more education was provided. Saying ‘don’t have sex unless you want a child’ is a ridiculous over simplification of the issue.
Contraception is cheaper, easier, less emotionally taxing and more available. People don’t just wake up and think “wheee I’m going to go have sex haphazardly and get an abortion as a form of birth control”. Nobody ENJOYS an abortion. Historically, women will get an abortion regardless of whether it’s legal or not and legalization doesn’t cause an increase in the number of abortions performed. On the flip side – the legalization of abortion vastly reduces death tolls of those getting those abortions. And there is a correlation between the accessibility of contraception and education and the number of abortions performed.
Having a child costs thousands in the US. Complications with pregnancies are still a common cause of death. Legal abortions performed by a trained professional are a lot less risky than going through with the pregnancy – especially in those who have underlying medical issues.
Rape and complications are not the most extreme examples to prove a point. Rape happens WAY more than it should. Complications with birth happen a ton too. What about those are extreme?
ETA: “”If all those who are so anti-abortion started providing good homes for the children that go into foster systems or adoption agencies, then they can have more voice in the matter.” Actually, you are mistaken. You don’t get to decide who gets a voice in the matter. Who made you the one in charge of who gets a say in anything?””
Notice I said “MORE voice” didn’t say that they couldn’t voice their opinions/concerns – but if they’re presenting the case and aren’t finding more ways to offer alternatives or more support, their voice shouldn’t be heard more than those who are just trying to have their options legalized. But if they’re saying ‘no abortions! all women must deal with the pregnancy’ then they should be working on ways to help those that have to raise the child, or finding more education opportunities on contraception and safe sex so that a pregnancy doesn’t happen.
No woman wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone or a Porsche. She wants an abortion as an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off its own leg.
– Frederica Mathewes-Green
Erinn From Now On, You and Me Go Together, mmk?? thanks for handling that mindbogglingly Stupid comment
Thanks, QQ. Just doing what I can.
PS. I want that purple hair.
Thank you Erinn!!
Standing ovation for Erinn over here. I want to be friends with you in real life. I feel like I don’t even have to add anything to this thread because you’ve stated it PERFECTLY.
Have to add: I rolled my eyes so hard they almost fell out of my head when SamiHami implied that women who have abortions are basically sociopaths. Someone very close to me had an abortion many years ago and she is truly the most kind hearted person I know, then and to this day. To even imply that someone going through the hardest time of their life is morally corrupt is just the lowest of the low.
Sorry samihami, but until the bundle of cells growing inside me no longer needs to act as a parasite on my body in order to live it is my choice. Just like I can’t be compelled to donate a kidney to save a life I shouldn’t be compelled to allow a fetus to tap into my blood stream diverting oxygen and nutrition. Even if that means the fetus will die. And……. Until fairly recently infanticide was a common method of family planning, even in the west amongst Christians. Sadly, killing a baby isn’t as unnatural as we think, in fact in some instances it is behavior that would have been selected for. Look at the work of anthropologist Sara Hrdy from UC Davis.
Personal responsibility is GREAT – by all means that should be everyone’s goal. But nothing (except abstinence) is full proof, and there’s a lack of proper education that prevents some from practicing personal responsibility correctly to begin with.
And sadly, as Erinn said, rape is not an extreme situation, it happens every damn day, as do abusive situations and medical complications, and other difficult circumstances that force a woman to make that choice. To imply that makes them some sort of monster capable of anything is just cruel, I think.
I’m conflicted. Several years ago a teenager, no more than twenty and receiving state (tax payer) assistance for every aspect of her life, received her third abortion from an elite state university hospital near my home. When asked why she wasn’t using birth control she replied “Why should I pay for birth control when I can get an abortion for free?” As a result, abortions are no longer a covered service at that hospital.
There are three sides to every story but this one made me think hard about abortion. It’s a toss up between women who are stuck in an impossible situation and the truly irresponsible who don’t want to be inconvenienced. I’m not going to pretend to know the answer.
I’m really not offended by this at all. I hold opposite views, but that’s fine. She and her family have every right to support causes they believe in. (Also, thank god Roe v. Wade isn’t going anywhere. The abortion restrictions in some southern states really worries me, but I live in Illinois. Our pro-choice laws aren’t going anywhere.)
I was definitely offended by the Holocaust thing, so at least she wasn’t going that far.
Also, I’m a journalist and we go by the AP style book, which refers to groups as “pro-abortion rights” or “anti-abortion”. Mostly because pro-life and pro-choice are selective terms used to sway people. Are pro-abortion people anti-life? No. Anyway that’s my reasoning in terms of word choice.
Nice reply. I have to agree, and not because my thoughts on abortion are a little more in line with the Duggars (I’m no Duggars fan though so don’t chase me down), but because it’s not a ‘f— them!’ comment. Let her participate in something she believes in.
Very nice reply.
Please don’t be complacent. All it takes for Roe v. Wade and our pro-choice laws to go away, even in states like Illinois, is a Republican being elected president in 2016 and Ruth Bader Ginsburg then dying.
This. They’re already being taken away by limiting access to abortion in some states via stricter requirements for ambulatory surgical centers. If that’s the argument, then the states should pay for making those centers safe. I am worried about women who can’t travel out of state who will end up with botched procedures because they went wherever they could. The day I see the Duggars adopt a special needs child and care for it like their own, is the day I truly believe they are pro-life.
I am anti-abortion – for myself, meaning I would not want to end the life of a child inside me. I am pro-choice – for others to make their own decisions according to conscience. The state does NOT own our bodies. I took responsibility for my reproductive health but was damn lucky no unintended pregnancies happened before I realized I needed to take responsibility (I thank my husband for bringing that to my attention, actually – I was young). I was only able to do this because I had insurance coverage that allowed me to. It is ignorant not to realize that many don’t have that option.
I loathe these people, and I’m pro-choice, but she has every right to march for causes she believes in.
GNAT: agree completely.
They have the look of blissful ignorance. People like this reaffirm my belief that I made the right Choice when I had to. And her family has the right to procreate like rabbits….. No judgement.
These people are as@holes.
Lol. Me, too. No judgment. But they’re a$$ holes.
I wonder if the Duggars have heard what the Pope said about having multiple children, or If they care, lol.
Hmmm…but the Pope is Catholic, so it’s doubtful his opinions count for anything to these God-botherers…
lol, you had me at “God-botherers”
Speaking of God Botherers… are these idiots basically Groomed Creepy Smiling Westboro Baptist Church Types or what… i feel like if they Unzipped their Meatsuits with the creepy smiles That’s what we’d find
You know, QQ, that’s always my first thought when I see any of this crowd. In every picture of the girls, especially, they all wear that creepy, holier-than-thou, pasted on face. Mind you, I’ve never seen their “show”, as I refuse to have pay-TV, and not sure if it’s even on in Australia, so I could be talking through a hole in my *hat*. Still gives me the willies, though…
They probably don’t even consider the Pope to be a Christian so I doubt they give any weight to anything he says.
IIRC her husband is quite vocally anti-Catholic so I’m guessing, like the good little wifey that she is, Jessa is also anti-Catholic.
I’m pro-life, and I use that term because that what it means to me.
She’s a cute idiot, but I can’t imagine how we could expect anything else from that family. They’re certainly not going to be raising any free-thinking intellectuals. Who knows, maybe one out of the dozens will surprise us in a decade or so.
Of course they were. It’s so interesting how people like this will never express outrage over the killing of people of colour or transgender people but they have more than enough to say about abortion. They can have several seats.
I just read an article about a woman in a pro-life country imprisoned because although the court could not find her miscarriage to be anything other than a miscarriage…. she still was sentenced to jail for trying to kill her unborn baby. If abortion is criminalized how can the courts protect women with high risk pregnancies? If there’s is a still born or a miscarriage, on top of morning their loss will these women now have to worry about police investigations?
Exactly. I miscarried three times. Does that make me a serial killer?
I feel like they view babies as punishment for fornication before marriage. Maybe I wouldn’t if they did ANYTHING to help Un wed mothers, but they don’t.
“Maybe I wouldn’t if they did ANYTHING to help Un wed mothers, but they don’t. ”
this is why I have such problem with some of the people in the “pro-life” movement. the absolute hypocrisy. they only care about “the sanctity of life” when the baby is still gestating and it’s about a woman’s control over her body.
once that baby’s out, though…f ’em…because all those single moms living in poverty are just a bunch of takers, amirite? take away all those safety nets because geez, cant’ you just keep your legs closed?! Minimum wage job can’t pay the bills?…well, you’re just lazy.
(PLEASE NOTE SARCASM IN ABOVE POST. I DO NOT ACTUALLY FEEL THIS WAY.)
Exactly.
I have yet to find one “pro-lifer” whose concern did NOT end at the birth canal.
I wonder how many unwanted, neglected kids they will take in? I feel safe in betting…NONE! Just like all the others out there. Its kind of fun to see their reaction when asked if they would be willing to raise and support all the unwanted pregnancies and then watch them run for the hills.
So so true. That’s why I love the movie “Swing vote” with Andy García. It argues the point so perfectly. Yes you advocate for the unborned but what about the children? is anybody in the pro-life camp thinking about the children?
There is so much right within your post!!!!
I don’t mind the opinion of people who don’t agree with choice but the hypocrisy that comes after the child is ACTUALLY BORN is what infuriates me to the point that I can’t even take them seriously. They care so much about the baby until it is born and “becomes a drain on society” what with needing to eat, have a place to sleep & get a proper education and all that!
They all say, “put it up for adoption” as if that was as simple as donating old clothes to the Goodwill.
to add, folks, a lot of these same people also don’t want access to affordable birth control which would certainly help:
A) prevent unwanted pregnancies and, therefore, abortions.
B) prevent that so-called “drain on society” that happens after they make the woman bear the child that she didn’t want.
To Wren, they do say put the baby up for adoption, but how many of them are adopting? The Duggars and their ilk certainly aren’t. A lot of fundies and some Mormons are adopting from countries outside the US. Practice what you preach.
Welll *scoffs* what were you thinking?? For These good christian straight people to ADOPT said possibly brown Babies???!! The same ones these welfare queens are supposed to put up for adoption after an unwanted pregnancy??! Well No That won’t do
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You “feel” that way, Murphy, but that’s what YOU “feel.” That doesn’t make you right. It just means you feel something that you could be entirely wrong about. I’m also amazed ath these supposedly “factual” statements that anti abortion/pro personal responsbility people do nothing to help children after they are born. What are you basing this on? Anything real, or is it just something you are saying, based on nothing, to support your position?
To Macey: “I have yet to find one “pro-lifer” whose concern did NOT end at the birth canal.” You should probably widen your circle of friends, then. I’m sure if you ask the people at the shelter/charity for children that you volunteer for there are many people who are pro life that help. There certainly are many in my community. You DO actually volunteer to help these kids, right?
To Wren: I know at least 4 women who have gone through with the birth after an unwanted pregnancy and put their child up for adoption. In every case the child found a home.
And doofus, who is it that doesn’t want anyone to have access to affordable birth control? I don’t know of a single person who has ever said that. In my area, the local health department gives away free birth control all the time (condoms and birth control pills). Who are the “they” you speak of? Not republicans; that’s not at all what republicans think or believe.
You’re going to believe whatever you want and that is entirely your right, but I would ask that you please make it clear that you are posting your opinions only, not facts.
“who is it that doesn’t want anyone to have access to affordable birth control?”
clearly, you haven’t been paying attention to all of the hoopla and debate surrounding the ACA. and not everyone is as lucky as you are to live near such a wonderful local health department.
I stand by my comment.
to add, it’s wonderful that your 4 friends all found homes for their babies, but that is NOT the case nationwide. the overflowing foster system is proof of that.
Most of my friends are pro-choice so my statement wasn’t talking about them, its the ones like yourself that make statements like you have been thru this thread who DONT do a thing for them once they are born.
Not sure what area you live in but any shelter around here is dismal at best and can only handle so many at time and are always over-filled. Im sure their workers opinions vary but thats completely irrelevant to my point.
My point was the pro lifers completely disappear once the baby arrives and thats a fact. You must live in a very small and unique community b/c most areas have 100s of unwanted, neglected and abused babies/kids per 1 willing foster parent. others get lost in the over abundance of case files and end up stuck in their abusive situation…yes, thats so much better.
Take a step to another city and their foster care system and you’ll see how over-whelmed and understaffed they already are.
and nope, I dont volunteer with them b/c kids aren’t my thing but again, thats irrelevant to my point. Im not one of these ppl condemning their right to choose or claiming ppl who have abortions would kill anything, which happens to be one of the most absurd things Ive ever read on here.
To be pro life past the birth canal takes lots of money. People who march around isn’t doing much to help with that. My friend has had foster kids for over 20 years that nobody wanted because of their disabilities. Many people don’t want to adopt kids who aren’t a newborn baby
Eh, they can all go front hug themselves
Sorry if someone else has already made that joke
I don’t care that she’s pro-life. That’s fine with me. Sure would nice if these folks did other things that isn’t centered around religion and baby making. Btw I like Jessa’s hair! 🙂
+ 1,000,000@ Jules.
Why do we have to read about those religious nutjobs on celebitchy? She isn’t even pro life, she is pro birth because I bet she is anti welfare, food stamps etc
Exactly what I was going to say. They aren’t pro-life, they are just pro-birth.
It’d be one thing if she were educated, thought about the issue from all sides, and came to an informed decision. But all those kids do is parrot what their parents taught them, and that information is so limited.
So true.
You can’t really knock them for that; 90% of people parrot back what their parents think, on both sides of the political spectrum.
It’s so funny to me when people are saying she can support any cause she wants. She supports HATE and taking rights away from other people. They may have the right to do so but that does not make it okay. What if she was supporting the KKK? Than you’d be all up in arms because “that’s so racist”. What she does now is no different. To me it’s anti-life. Pregnant women are living people, too.
I support people’s right to be a member of and march peacefully on behalf of the KKK. I find them despicable, but this is America, where we have freedoms that apply to everybody – even people with hate filled, ignorant minds. Saying you support her right to protest doesn’t mean you agree with her.
Well said.
Uh. Of course she did. Der.
Kaiser, they TOTALLY front hugged when she accepted his marriage proposal. And it was in a church, too!
It’s perfectly fine. She’s as entitled to march and express herself in favor of anything she wants as I am entitled to say that I think her and the people who think like her are a bunch of hateful, ignorant, bigoted idiots.
I get so sick of anyone who is pro-life being branded as some sort of crazy hater.
I’m pro-life. This is a position I’ve thought long and hard about, as I used to be pro-choice when I was younger. My position is that I’m going to err on the side of life. (And yes, this means anti-death penalty, too). In a perfect world, I would ban abortions except in cases of rape, incest, and danger to the mother, because I believe life begins when that little fertilized egg implants. However, I know it’s not a black and white world, and the only viable alternative to me is to let it be decided at a state level. Yes, it would be best to address all underlying causes of teen pregnancies, poverty, etc., but that’s never going to happen. Heck, I even vote democrat most of the time, as I’m not a one-issue voter. But I can’t accept that the 1 million+ lives being ended each year through abortion is ok to me, and I don’t believe that my loving God is okay with it, either.
How about leaving “God” out of politics?
It’s perfectly possible to make a pro-life argument that doesn’t revolve around God. You can argue God shouldn’t be brought into politics and government, but religion is in the Constitution and the interpretation of that is always going to be a political issue.
People’s belief in God informs their morals. God is part of the constitution and was the basis for the founding father’s views on government.
Keep church and state separate, but religion doesn’t have to be a basis for erring on the side of life. It’s a simple evolutionary concept, too.
Catk, you have a point. I don’t share it, but it’s a completely valid one and it’s your right to have it. The thing with these people, though, is that (in my opinion) their view on abortion is actually the least offensive thing about them. I do think they are crazy haters, but not precisely for that reason.
Look, these kids have been brain-washed by their whacko parents. There’s not denying that, i was posting in generalities about the way people respond to pro-lifers on this and other threads.
Catk, why would you ban abortion in cases of rape or incest? Why should the baby be given the death penalty for the crimes of its father? If a fetus is a human it must have rights and the idea that a person could loose their life because of a crime committed by a relative is outrageous. The logic must be consistent. Either a woman can have an abortion for any reason or for no reason. It is not about how abortion makes me feel (I don’t like the idea) but about logic, the law and how it is applied. Because once you say a fetus is a person and then allow abortion in limited circumstances you are making the case for selective, state sanctioned murder.
i like it when people say they support abortion in cases of rape, incest etc. Makes it easier to tell who is really all about controlling female sexuality and self determination under the guise of ‘saving babies.’ Because as you say, if babies were what it was about they’d be consistent, right?
In your perfect world I would have gone on to become a doctor and would be performing abortions for those women you would have denied. I would never allow anyone to stand in the way of the choice that any of my fellow sister, mother, aunt, daughter, niece, friends would make regarding their OWN body.
Since the Duggar clan are all professional Christians was her trip here covered in part by some corporate sponsorship? Did she get there on her own dime or is some ‘family’ or church group covering all or part of her expenses?
The Duggars are tiresome. And there are so MANY of them…..
Jessa’s husband looks like the kind of guy who has moist, squishy hands. Those guys who, if you shake their hand you want to wipe your hand off after. He just gives me the creeps.
I fail to see why this should be a story? Of course she would go to a rally that supports pro-life.
The only way pro life would work is in a perfect world,where birth control never fails, sexual assaults never happen, and pregnancy complications and fetal anomalies don’t exist.
And if you could just will yourself not to get pregnant.
The better way would be for men to be able to get pregnant too. There’d be free abortion clinics on every street corner
She looks like a Denise Richards knock-off, anyone feeling me on that?
Her husband looks stoned in that photo.
I’ve heard of her but I have never watched her family’s show. She has a right to w/e political and social convictions she holds. I consider myself to be pro-choice and think a thorough sex education implemented in public schools could make abortions more of a rarity than protests outside of a clinic or on the steps of a political building ever could.
Who cares if she went to a pro life event? She can do what she wants.
It troubled me that people think *all* women who need to or choose to abort feel bad about their decision. That seems to project a value judgement that doesn’t need to be there — not if we recognize abortion as a freely obtained medical procedure important to the welfare or well-being of the mother. Projecting personhood on embryos may be a delightful pastime in healthy, wanted pregnancies but that’s all it is — a projection. Thus for women in other circumstances, abortion may be a relief — and an obvious or only choice. When, as a society, we no longer think about abortion as an onerous choice or something that must be as rare as possible, women will no longer have to defend their reproductive freedom and can focus on the safest abortions possible, the same way they evaluate any other medical procedure.
If we really do understand that before a certain point, embryos and fetuses are not and will never be viable life forms — then what does it matter how the woman feels or how often abortions are conducted? The whole emphasis on cutting down frequency and the assumption that ALL women feel bad just reinforces the sense of shame and secrecy, and that ALL women must want ALL pregnancies. It’s not helping.
Oh – and PS – most women who abort aren’t using it instead of contraception.
Although I am pro-life, I’ve really enjoyed reading the arguments posted here. it has really educated me about the situation in other countries and societies on the reality of abortion and it has opened my eyes to the grayness of the world. it’s refreshing to read that women here are willing to listen to other opinions and religions even if it doesn’t really match with their personal beliefs.
Don’t worry, no hate here from me. I am pro-life, while you are pro-choice. Let’s agree to disagree. peace and love from Asia. 🙂
so…..religious fanatics attended an anti-abortion rally?
Shocking.