Name two mega-hit songs by Kid Rock. Seriously. Can you do it? I was thinking about it for a few minutes and I came up with “Cowboy” and his cover of “Sweet Home Alabama.” I’m sure he has other hits, of course, but it’s not like he’s some iconic and wildly successful singer-songwriter. I bring this up because Kid Rock DARED to say something rude, critical and offensive about Beyonce and as you can imagine, the Beyhive went crazy. The Beygency Is Real, people. Here’s what Kid Rock said originally to Rolling Stone:
“Beyoncé, to me, doesn’t have a f–king ‘Purple Rain,’ but she’s the biggest thing on Earth. How can you be that big without at least one ‘Sweet Home Alabama’ or ‘Old Time Rock & Roll’? People are like, ‘Beyoncé’s hot. Got a nice f–king ass.’ I’m like, ‘Cool, I like skinny white chicks with big t-ts.’ Doesn’t really f–king do much for me.”
[From RS via E! News]
If his argument is just that Beyonce doesn’t have a catalog of hits, that’s one thing (he’s wrong, but let’s put that aside for now). What I find offensive is that Kid Rock went immediately to discussing her body. If she’s not his type, so be it. But to mention her looks and her body in the same breath as he’s criticizing her career is… gross and sexist. And incidentally, Beyonce isn’t into dirt-lipped rednecks with beer guts, you know? If we’re talking about looks, it goes both ways. As for Kid Rock’s claim that she doesn’t have a catalog full of iconic hits…A) he’s doesn’t have one either and B) Beyonce is closer to that kind of iconic, hit-machine status more than nearly anyone else out there in music today. Beyonce is more iconic – and her catalog is more significant – than even Taylor Swift, I would say. “Halo”. “Bootylicious.” “Independent Women.” “Drunk In Love.” “Crazy In Love.” “Single Ladies.” “Partition.” “XO.” “Ring the Alarm.” “Baby Boy.”
So, obviously, the Beyhive went after Kid Rock. They started posting this kind of stuff on his Instagram:
Gawker has more screencaps here. Kid Rock is the Beygency’s #1 enemy right now. As it should be. And here’s how Kid Rock responded to The Beyhive:
Photos courtesy of WENN, Instagram, Gawker.
“Single Ladies” immediately comes to mind. The video is pretty iconic too, no?
Sit down, Kid! Lol
Sometimes I think celebs say outlandish stuff just to get attention.
Sometimes I think celebs say outlandish stuff just to get attention.
Bingo!!
Beyonce has some hits, but ‘Single Ladies’ isn’t unique.
I will give her this, she did a good job of it, but it’s not original i’m afraid. Google ‘Mexican breakfast’ by Bob Fosse.
The leotards and black/white imagery are also a nod to him
And Fosse lifted in his day, too. I am going to culturally appropriate one of those backup dancers’ outfits and go looking for a breakfast burrito.
@LAK, who wrote: “Beyonce has some hits, but ‘Single Ladies’ isn’t unique. I will give her this, she did a good job of it, but it’s not original i’m afraid. Google ‘Mexican breakfast’ by Bob Fosse. The leotards and black/white imagery are also a nod to him”
You’re talking about Beyonce’s “Single Ladies” video, but Kid Rock (and Lainey) are talking about Beyonce’s catalogue of songs. The very fact that ‘Put a Ring on it” has made it into the modern lexicon–worldwide–makes the song “Single Ladies” an iconic hit. Furthermore, when people around the world use the phrase “Put a Ring on it” they mentally connect it to Beyonce.
That is why I personally believe her “I AM … Sasha Fierce” CD should have won Best Album of the Year over Taylor Swift’s, ‘not’ because Kanye West said so. 🙂
Oh crap, of course I meant to say, “You’re talking about Beyonce’s “Single Ladies” video, but Kid Rock (and Kaiser)) are talking about Beyonce’s catalogue of songs.” Sorry, Kaiser! I’m doing two different things on my laptop today and just suffered a Brain Cloud. 🙂
Emma, my comment was a response to @Stephanie, not Kid Rock. They mentioned one Beyonce hit, which I responded to.
As for catch phrases, those a ten a penny. I could give you a list of catchphrases that have become the norm without making the person who said them/popularised them iconic.
@LAK, who wrote: “As for catch phrases, those a ten a penny. I could give you a list of catchphrases that have become the norm without making the person who said them/popularised them iconic.”
That would be awesome, if we weren’t speaking primarily of artists in the music business.
Are you talking about the video or the song? IMO, she made a cultural mark with both. She obviously was doing a nod to Fosse, but a single-take simple style dance video is not what has been the norm for a decade. It wasn’t unique because it was Fosse style, it was unique because it was a bare-bones display of dance skill among 3 incredibly in sync dancers. There was no hiding with cuts or layers of clothing.
He’s not lying. Beyoncé has HITS not CLASSICS. There is a difference. So what she’s not his type. Not everyone has to be into her. I’m sure he isn’t hers either. Her fans are mentally ill.
I still like Joe Jonas’ (? es ?) video better. How many years after the song was popular, yet when I hear it on the radio HIS vid is the first thing that goes through my mind. 😂
I just saw the “Single Ladies” video and it is absolutely amazing! I love how Beyonce dances in unison with her dancers. Now I see why Kanye West made such a fuss over the video, it is outstanding.
I also love Beyonce’s outfits in the “Why Don’t You Love Me” video.
I think I liked Beyonce ever since that Destiny’s Child song, “Bills, Bills, Bills”
Her music is catchy, coupled with good dancing and outfits, she’s quite an interesting artist. I can say that when her music is not my typical style.
I can’t say the same about Kid-Rock.
Also, a lot of music is re-hashed, which is okay, it is just which artist makes it more memorable and entertaining and I think Beyonce wins over Kid-Rock in that aspect.
Anyone who thinks “Single Ladies” or “Say My Name” aren’t classics is smoking rope. Even people who typically eschew R&B can sing a bar from those songs, and will for years to come.
I don’t know Beyonce’s work but in education I’ve been impressed by her universal appeal across different social groups for more than a decade. That’s impressive.
The song is blah, it’s the video and ‘the hand’ that made it iconic. I find the song grating despite its message. That was also her worst album. B-Day and 4 stay slaying!
YES!!! I Am had some of her biggest singles but there was soooo much filler! I listened to B-Day for months when it came out and thought 4 was very much underrated
It’s funny because B-day had the worst cringeworthy lyrics yet the beats made more than up for it haha. That album makes me dance in a hearbeat!
4 is her all-round best album for me. Beyoncé is alright but it doesn’t make me dance as much as 4 but then Beyoncé has deeper lyrics. I like Dangerously in Love but it only has a few songs I like, a lot of filler and just boring songs in general.
I don’t listen to the radio so I only find out about current songs when they’re really big and I realise I’ve heard something 5 or 10 times in shops etc…Sure, I can name many songs that have been recorded in the past year or 5 due to following the gossip blogs but I mean the ones that I actually heard and could recognise. I definitely wouldn’t call “Partition.” , “Drunk in love .” or “XO.” “iconic”. Crazy in love was iconic.
Crazy in love, for real! That oh-oh, oh-oh part will never be forgotten.
‘Crazy in Love’ is also completely unoriginal. Google The Chi-Lites song ‘Are you my woman’
LAK, I don’t understand focusing on her proposed lack of originality when Kid Rock is so much more extreme in that regard. He didn’t just cover, but sampled 2 songs (Sweet Home Alabama and Werewolf of London) in order to tug on the cultural heartstrings of his newly targeted country music audience. I feel he completely lacks authenticity.
Agreed. He just needed his name in the news. As much as I do not love her, I think he is wrong. Single Ladies, Crazy in Love, both of those are already pretty iconic.
I’m sorry, but that twitter/instagram thing is funny.
I was laughing my pretty ass off!
his response was funny.
Yeah, I just saw his response while reading this. Loved it. 😀
Kid is a douche but yeah, I’m laughing too.
http://instagram.com/p/zr3Oseq5-M/
For once he’s correct. So is a broken clock twice a day.
I confess that I also laughed out loud at his response.
+1. He is still an idiot, though…
You’re so right! The whole thing is hilarious! I can’t stand Kid Rock & I like (not love mind!) Beyonce, but I find the whole thing hilarious, especially the Raid Insect Killer picture. Beyonce has a catalogue of decent hits, especially the club remixes by The Freemasons. However, in my opinion her big standout track is Listen from The Dreamgirls movie. That is the only track that is up there with the best of them. In addition, she is a good singer, but in my opinion not great. Off the top of my head, for great singing you have to go to, in no particular order, Nina Simone, Aretha Franklin, Barbra Streisand, Tina Turner, Shirley Horn, Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, Patti Labelle, Sarah Vaughan, Karen Carpenter, Peggy Lee, Jennifer Holiday, Whitney Houston, Oleta Adams, Mariah Carey, & Celine Dion.
Sorry, but Imma add Amy Winehouse to that list (Adele has a killer voice, but lyrically, imo–meh). Amy’s own songs–& some of her covers, like Hathaway’s “Love You More Than You’ll Ever Know”–are conveyed w/such a combo of intensity & humor, it can feel like a friend’s sharing a personal inner dialogue w/you.
Bey has a nice energy & possibly an ok voice, but gimme the Motown ladies, Nina, or Chaka Khan, etc any day of the week (also, as a matrimony-neutral type, am disturbed by the entire concept of “Single Ladies.” C’mon–“put a ring on it”? The priorities strike me as being a tad screwy).
It is pretty funny…Kid Rock is hysterical.
hehe yea it was funny. And Kid Rock is right here. There are hits. Loads of artists have hits. Iconic songs though? Very few of those hits will stand the test of time.
The Beyhive appears unclear on the difference between Iconic and Hits. More time is needed.
Bey is, arguably, an Icon, as such things go in pop. Her songs, tho? Pshaw…
And you gotta at least offer poor, down-to-Cruise-Ship gigging Kid Rock a Brownie Point for the RAID-can snap.
It’s nothing new, but geez; how do fans get THAT obsessed?
I don’t care enough to take either side, but that response was amazing! 🙂
I actually laughed audibly at his response – and it takes a lot to have that happen.
I can’t stand Beyonce and literally and figuratively switch off if I hear her music, but this “Kid” (!)… He’s a right twat. Gah.
And Kid’s response was perfection. LOL!
Talk about her music all you want,fine. But to go on about her assests and how she doesnt make his Willy Wonka tingle is just WRONG. Plus I bet my left arm Beyonce would rather lose all her teeth that let that greasy hack touch her sexually.
But a woman’s only real value is based on the number of men who want to f@ck her. Don’t you know that?!
Ha I know right. His type are porn stars and strung out greasy type like him, and you know what, I think he secretly has a boner for her. He and the rest of those dirty old men that cant seem to keep talking about her.
I’m tired of these men of questionable intelligence/talent (and hygiene) trying to be arbiters of what is or isn’t attractive. I realize this is nothing new, but the older I get, the more it pisses me off.
Yep. And with her money she could buy Kid Rock, skin him and mount him on a wall. But who would want to look at that?
What BengalCat said. I swear these men own no mirrors!
I thoroughly agree. And it also implies that the only reason why she’s successful is that she’s sexy – that doesn’t set you up for a 2 decade career.
I like plenty of Beyonce/Destiny’s Child songs, but I don’t think they’ve reached the icon status. It was interesting when she did her Pepsi commercial in the mirrors with what she considered to be her iconic looks, because I don’t think that was how anyone would describe the video for Bootylicious. But it’s also a ridiculous standard, because there are other factors at play when a song becomes timeless (Old Time Rock and Roll would never have reached that status without Tom Cruise) and it doesn’t necessarily mean that the act itself is destined for long term greatness. And Beyonce has undoubtedly done that.
I think it’s funny that he talked about liking skinny white chicks when his first child is with a black woman and he used to date black girls and was super into hip-hop in high school. Like Eminem, he’s from Detroit and he used to be “down with black people,” so it’s funny that now Beyonce isn’t his type.
He’s just trying to be the redneck Kanye now. Picking a fight on center stage with a popular star gets attention.
Both of you are missing the point in what he said. His comments were poorly worded but he’s trying to say a lot of people listen to Beyonce because they think she’s hot and not necessarily because she’s talented. Beyonce can sing but she’s no Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Dionne Warwick (going old school there) . She doesn’t have iconic hits… an iconic hit is like Piano Man by Billy Joel, Thriller by Michael Jackson, Purple Rain by Prince…and I’d have to say out of the three I just named… Purple Rain was the biggest hit.
He should have just left it he does not understand how someone who doesn’t write their own songs, has a manufactured image, and a decent voice is a huge hit. But he didn’t and made it worse with his comments about skinny white chicks with big boobs.
I believe Kid Rock has only kid, who he raised by himself. His son is 22…he had him at 21.
Missed no point. The point was to start a ruckus and bring attention to himself, for which he succeeded. He could have easily phrased his opinion in a cogent way that didn’t come across as yahoo-racist-misogynist. But then it wouldn’t have escalated so quickly.
I’m not in the beyhive, I say this objectively. And I also can’t think of a single song that Kid Rock made that is iconic either.
You beat me to it.
Before he settled on his persona, all he did was date Black women. Hell, he was in a relationship with Midori (Black female ex porn star) for years.
I guess the fans he courts now wouldn’t like that much, I suppose…
He used to target the rap-rock crowd. The funds dried up so he has now targeted the country fans, trying to be a country-rock hybrid. For marketing, he is going full “redneck” to appeal to this market. See his comments about wearing his seal fur jacket. I am sure he will make some kind of extreme politically conservative statement sometime soon. He’s becoming a younger Ted Nuggent.
wow, that surprised me. I never would have guessed.
@Tammy
I believe he also had a little girl, IIRC. If he’s the one I’m thinking of, she died of some type of childhood cancer. 😥
@Tammy
It wouldn’t let me edit my previous reply, so… I was wrong about KR having a daughter. I became curious after posting originally so I went and checked. So apparently it wasn’t KR. Now I’m mad because I can’t remember who it was and it will drive me crazy trying to figure it out! lol
I’m no Beyhive member, but Kid Rock is a jackass.
Now that he’s wealthy he’s gone from quiet Democrat to soap box Tea Partier with and all its racism & misogyny. I’m cringing along with all his ex fans and ex lovers.
@cyndi, I think you’re thinking of Vince Neill from Poison, he &his (then) wife had a little girl that died from cancer. That is so sad . He has a charity in her name.
Sorry those are not iconic hits! Ask me in 20 years what my favorite Beyonce hit is and it will take me a long time to figure it out. That’s not to say she isn’t hugely talented and an iconic herself. We live in an age where people and not their crafts are. Love Beyonce, but her music isn’t iconic to me
I tend to agree. I think she herself is an icon yet she honestly doesn’t have a song that’s reached that status.
And now that I’ve agreed with Kid Rock, I need to take another shower.
I completely agree with you. Her music is generic, it all sounds the same. She is an entertainer, that’s all she is. I have never understood what the obsession with her is about. Well to each their own. Just my 2 cents.
I believe that is what Kid Rock was trying to say and it got lost in his sexist comments.
When I think of Beyoncé, Crazy in Love is what stands out, after all these years. But that’s it. That was pretty much the pinnacle.
And Kid Rock better watch out. The president of the Beehive, Yeezy himself, will be gunning for him now.
Yes, Crazy in Love. I also love My, Myself and I but it’s not iconic by any means which is a shame because that song is probably the best one she ever made (imo).
Halo, Single Ladies were also huge. In general, her catalogue is pretty weak though but when she has a good song, it’s truly great.
4 is her best album, it doesn’t have much filler songs and it’s consistent but there are no iconic hits (maybe Love on Top?)
My thoughts exactly. It Crazy in love… and then nothing. It’s been 10+ years and the only reason we’re still hearing about her all the time is her public persona with all the power couple stuff etc. def. not her music. Rihanna is not for everyone lol but you have to admit she’s got hit song after hit song on every album she makes.
Kind of agree. She needs her own “Ain’t No Mountain High Enough.” Halo was a good single but I don’t know if people will remember it like that
Geez, a lot of white people so obsessed with how sexy (or not) Beyonce is – the white feminists talking about how she’s not a true feminist because she wears leotards when performing on stage, Mike Huckabee and now this.
I also think he’s wrong on Beyonce not having iconic hits, but that’s not as offensive and stupid as his comments about her body.
Why bring race into it?
Why not? Lennox, Kid Rock are two notable white people who go on to discuss a successful black woman’s sexuality. Why not bring race into it, you don’t think it’s important to acknowledge this? Oh and Kid specifically mentioned he only likes certain women, white women.
Why not? He did.
So, is being attracted to skinny white women with big tits racist? He is promoting a stereotype, but is it racist? Nobody calls Michael Fassbender a racist for clearly preferring black women to Caucasian or Asian.
It is when Beyoncé has never even discussed any attraction to Kid Rock yet he feels it’s necessary to not demean her sexuality by doing it under the vein of discussing her career. Sexism and racism rolled in one. There is absolutely no reason why he should mention that Beyoncé doesn’t ‘do it for him’ because he likes white girls. And if that would be the case, he wouldn’t have fathered his only child with a black woman and made a song like ‘Black chick, white guy’.
Stay ignorant to his racism though.
Any person, man or woman, who needs to make it known that he/she excludes or fetishes other cultures in a whole when talking about relationships raises huge red flags. And Fassbender never made his ‘preferences’ clear in such a racially demeaning way. He always talked about women in terms of personality and that seems to be translating in him dating those type of women who happen to be black. He’s never gone on record to say black chicks give him a boner, like keep trying!
STUPID question.
Well in this case Kid Rock already did. Why did he have to mention he likes “skinny white chicks with big tits”? Ugh. What a pig. Whatever point he may have had was totally ruined by that crap
Are you just assuming that everyone who supports Beyoncé is Black and everyone who thinks she’s not all that is White? That’s a pretty big leap. (Most of the avatars for commenters on this story are either blank or non-specific cats or cartoons! )
Beyoncé is a big star – of course public figures are going to comment on her. Public figures also make comments about Britney Spears, Lady Gaga, Kanye and Kim, Katy Perry and other well-known celebrities. I don’t think there’s any particular ‘obsession’ with Beyoncé.
Personally, I rarely think about her, although I was impressed with her Super Bowl performance.
“Are you just assuming that everyone who supports Beyoncé is Black and everyone who thinks she’s not all that is White?”
That’s definitely NOT what OhDear said. The comment is more about the fact that white celebs feel the need to comment on or “correct” this black woman’s sexuality. As pointed out, we’ve see it time and time again. Mike Huckabee, Annie Lennox, now Kid Rock. OhDear has made a very interesting observation… Let’s not twist it to mean something different.
The media also comments on Taylor Swift’s body (not enough butt) and sexuality (gay, bi, or straight?). We’ve heard plenty about Katy Perry’s boobs and love life (Russel Brand, John Meyer, Diplo, etc.). We hear a stuff about Iggy Azaela’s butt and how she may or may not have had implants. And there is certainly body talk about Madonna. And Lady GaGa. And Miley. And on and on.
I don’t think anyone’s trying to ‘correct’ anyone here. Body attention is just an outgrowth of being a young(-ish), sexy female singer in the media spotlight.
All the singers I’ve named trade on their sexuality, as does Beyoncé. When you put your stuff out there, it’s going to attract comments. It would be weirder if people DIDN’T talk about Beyoncé in this context.
I’m glad someone had the balls to admit what a lot of people think
20 Grammys and the only ‘iconic’ songs are Crazy In Love and Single Ladies based on the video
Her music is crap and big hits don’t equal iconic
Thank you – I really think Beyonce is an “Emperor has no clothes” situation. So many people are afraid to tell the truth. She doesn’t have a great voice – she has a great PR machine. There are a ton of way better singers than her who don’t get her opportunities (reference her hijack of the Grammys)
I also think Kid Rock is an ass – he had an opportunity to state the truth and messed it up!
I don’t think Bey is a good singer and I don’t like most of her catalogue, but Kid Rock is forgetting that we’re in a different age today than we were when “Sweet Home Alabama” debuted. I don’t think any artist who’s popular today has iconic hits. There’s way more music to choose from, and I think that’s part of it.
I think Adele has iconic hits, to name just one artist. Beyonce is a terrible singer.
Maybe its the current music industry, but does anyone have iconic hits nowadays? Of the current crop, miley, bieber, k perry etc, will we still be singing their songs in 20 years time?Totally agree that beyonce is overrated, as a composer of decent songs and as a singer. Yea, a few of her songs spring to mind as catchy hits, but nothing that could be compared to something by queen, prince, oasis, coldplay, U2.
one night sitting in an empty bar, a beyonce cd was playing in the background. After a few songs, I looked at my friend and he said, you know, she’s not bad an all, but her voice really grates on you after a few songs – it sounds so forced and screamy at times.
I think Beyonce, Katy Perry, et al. are certainly overrated. I can think of exactly one Miley Cyrus song – she’s got practically zero talent. Katy Perry’s voice doesn’t even sound the same from song to song, it’s so auto-tuned. Beyonce is absolutely mostly hype. They all aren’t truly great. Needless to say, Kid Rock sucks, too.
I think Mileys song, “The Climb” could possibly be around for a good while. It isan excellent song.
I completely agree with you. I only clicked on this article because I wanted to hear from someone (anyone!) who doesn’t think that Beyonce is all that.
So because he doesn’t want to f$ck her, she’s no good? I agree that Beyonce doesn’t have (yet) a hit that will be cherished for years to come. But she’s still wildly popular and has built quite a catalog of hit singles. When was his last radio hit? Would kids today even know one of his songs? Because they certainly know hers. He should put out a “worst hits” album because that’s about all he has to his name.
I meself wouldn’t rank ‘Sweet Home Alabama’ with ‘Purple Rain’ in a million years! I’m assuming this guy means hits that transcend the fanbase’s enthusiasm, and seep into the general culture and idiom, permanently.
The raid can is hilarious and kinda flirtatious, actually. Good PR move, Kid. Now back to the studio to put your talent where your mouth is, you trashy mofo…
Oh, and if you want revenge on this guy, start a petition: skninny white chicks with big boobs who will not be sleeping with Kid Rock and associates.
I have no problem with Kid Rock spouting off. Music has become so artificial–singers with their autotune (to be fair I don’t know if Beyonce uses this), and it’s all about the image instead of the music.
It was probably also a tweak to Kanye West for his overzealous worship of Beyonce
Why’d he bring race into it…? Nevermind.
Because he is a jacka– who desperately wants to please his fellow redneck buddy Ted Nugent and the like.
If you call him a racist, then he’ll tell you about his bi-racial son. Whatever. I’m not a Beyoncé fan in the slightest, but Kid Rock is definitely sexist. Something tells me he wouldn’t be discussing the bodies of male musical artists he didn’t like.
My god people listen to him? He’s someone who to me could just as easily be working at a gas station.
I’m sorry not sorry….I think the Raid can picture is hilarious!
It is!
I don’t see an iconic song with beyonce either, but she does have a long list of consistent hits. Even more what separates Beyonce from others is that she is one of the best performers! I also admire that she takes her business seriously. And yes it’s extremely sexist to go to her looks and how it doesn’t make his dick hard. Crazy his dick must have been hard enough to produce his mixed child.
Let me just start off by saying that I’m not a Bey fan. I saw the way she treated her original group members and was permanently turned off. The repetition/oversaturation of her songs cemented it for me. Granted, no one can deny that she’s talented at what she does (image control and colaboration with solid producers). And this isn’t a race thing, I’m black and chica isn’t my cup of tea either. That being said Kid went wrong when he brought her looks/bangability up as iit was the determinating factor of her talent. Last time I checked, no one is scrambling to smoosh Bob Seger and Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Just sayin’
I’m no fan of KR, but I agree with the first part of his statement. Beyonce is a carefully manufactured image. She has a decent voice and can work a stage, but she has no depth as an artist who imo conveys no real emotion when she sings a song (too preoccupied with sounding and looking perfect) Nothing like the way Whitney, Mary J Blige, Mariah, etc could command a stage without all tge smoke and mirrors and make a song cry. Also her best álbum IMO was Dangerously In Love but her music has degraded since then. From too bubblegummy and kind of dumb (“Check on it” to one of the biggest pet peeves of mine “Ring the Alarm”, where she sings that she’d rather stay with a lying, cheating dog of a man instead of having some pride or self esteem, but no cuz of the vapid reason that she’d be damned if another woman gets to benefit from the furs and stones and gifts he will be buying her -as if a woman like Bey couldn’t do that for herself -whatever) Yes, so in the context of people like Prince, Freddy Murcury, the Beatles and MJ, she isn’t on their level, but by the reactions she gets from some people you would think she should be in that company. No way.
As for the Fleahive, they have to be either physically 15 or mentally 15 to act like they do. The pic of the can of Raid is hilarious. The Fleahive seriously should get out more and find some more productive things to do with their lives.
Compared to the 60s, 70s and 80s, the bar has been set so low for what constitutes an iconic hit nowadays that it’s laughable.
I don’t recall the Supremes, Ronettes, Stevie Nicks, Donna Summer, Linda Ronstadt, Whitney Houston, Deborah Harry or any others resorting to the soft-core prOn and gimmickry that we see today.
So true..
We don’t really have those kind of talented singers anymore. Well that is not true.. they are out there just less IN YOUR FACE.. more obscure.
There’s a part of me that agrees with Kid. I’ve thought for years that I admire Beyoncé’s “hustle”, but the truly great music just isn’t there. I do think Kid’s comparison wasn’t fair. Prince is a musical genius who writes, produces and plays a ton of instruments, for himself, and for other artists. He created a sound that people like Mark Ronson are copying to this day. Nothing in Beyoncé’s catalog can rival “Purple Rain”, and never will.
A more accurate comparison would be between Bey and people like Diana Ross and maybe Tina Turner. Diana was known more her fabulousness than her great voice. And Tina had it all. But when you look at the music only, Bey’s catalog pales in comparison to theirs. “Drunk in Love”? “Baby Boy”? Come on…
True. I’m a fan of Beyonce’s work, but I don’t see her as an artist, just a very good performer.
Pls who is kid Rock?
Instead of writing this you could of just Googled the answer.
But seriously who is Kid Rock? Google said it didn’t know either.
Bah ha ha ha ha. Nikki for the win!
Ugh I am the only person who doesn’t like Beyoncé ? Maybe because I remember her shitty music with destinys child. She has a nice voice but she relies on her body to help sell records. It’s part of her image. She doesn’t do it for me. I don’t trust anyone who has to control their image that hard.
Same here. I don’t know if I totally missed the mark, but he mentions her body because that’s what people mention about her being great. Since he stablished in the first part of his statement that he thinks her music is crap he then went to explain why her body doesn’t do wonders for him hence why for him, she isn’t special at all.
Perhaps I’m reading it wrong?
I agree with Diana B. How I took Kid Rock’s comment: people (hetero men) try to defend beyonce’s lack of talent by claiming she’s “hot”, and he was explaining that she’s not “hot” enough (to him) to justify her current level of fame in context of her lack of iconic music. This conversation may still be considered sexist, but I can see a group of hetero male friends sitting around talking like this: “her music sucks”; “but dude she’s hot”; “yeah, but her music still sucks”.
I agree with Kid Rock generally: beyonce’s music is terrible. Furthermore, it should be known that beyonce doesn’t really have a lot of hits. If you check out the rankings for beyonce’s singles on wikipedia, most of her songs are flops. Work it Out, Fighting Temptations, Listen, Get Me Bodied, At Last, Ego, Broken Hearted Girl, Video Phone, Why Don’t You Love Me, Run The World Girls, Countdown, Party, I Care, End of Time, XO, Pretty Hurts, Flawless, Ring Off (and I’m leaving some out because no one ever heard of them). Most of the best known/hit songs associated with beyonce are actually Destiny’s Child songs (and I don’t think it’s fair to solely attribute these songs to beyonce, since they were written and performed with the group).
Beyonce’s solo “hits” are: Crazy in love, Baby Boy, Me Myself & I, Naughty Girl, Check On It, Ring The Alarm, Irreplaceable, Beautiful Liar, Until the End of Time (a Justin Timberlake song, from his album), If I Were A Boy, Single Ladies, Diva, Halo, Sweet Dreams, Best Thing I Never Had, Love On Top, Drunk In Love, Partition, and 7/11. Just 19 bona fide “hits”, of which, only five were hits within the past five years. And of these 19 “hits”, how many are really memorable? Seven or eight? And how many of those memorable hits are from the past five years? Beyonce is 12 years into her solo career, and this is the best she can do. It’s only her hyper-sensitive fans who really think she’s a legend.
By comparison, a decade into her solo career, Madonna had racked up a massive collection of songs that have not only become iconic, but were huge hits at the time.
I also agree Diana B and Nic.
How can so many miss the point? That point being that Beyonce’s entertainment legacy doesn’t include any iconic songs, and therefore why is she revered like a superstar?
Kid Rock surmised that other people argue Beyonce is a superstar because of her physical appearance. His counter to that is that she’s not his type. Fair play.
Rock did not say he had any iconic hits of his own or compare himself to her. He’s trying to figure out Beyonce’s popularity. As am I.
Beyonce has had hits, yes, but nothing in her catalog is iconic. Popularity is not equivalent to iconicism.
I’m with you ladies. imo he was saying, she’s not that great a singer and she’s not hot to him, so he doesn’t understand why she’s so popular.
Ok, but could he NOT have stated all of this without bringing race into it? It wasn’t enough to state he doesn’t personally think she’s hot; he had to go on to clarify that part of the reason is because she isn’t the right color?
Sooloo
That’s not what he said.
LMAO at all the bees they are posting on his Instagram!
At least they’re nice and not telling him to “die” like other fanbases would! Right?
To be fair, I don’t think Katy, Gaga, Taylor, Bruno, Justin, or most of the current pop stars have hits that will transcend the test of time either.
I think Bruno is on the right track…
I agree with you. Although I don’t think he’ll transcend anything, he’s very talented and, what I really like, respectful towards women.
@Naddie, that’s because Bruno was raised by his mom and has 4 sisters. He’d probably get his ass kicked if he talked sh!t about women.
It’s really Mark Ronson’s track, but I’d bet on Uptown Funk being a classic in 25yrs.
Agree with Diana B, on all accounts. And Bruno Mars has a Purple Rain, quite a few, actually. I don’t know am artist so universally embraced that likes to stay out of the tabloids whose songs are sung and enjoyed by people of all races, social classes and genders. Please don’t bring Bruni into this.
Kid Rock is a misogynist who sees women as nothing more than t*ts and a$$, glorifies hunting for no reason other than sport, wore an otter coat the other day (who can kill OTTERS FFS?!?!) to p*ss of Pamela Anderson, and consistently sets the bar lower and lower for being an utter redneck tool. I’m no Bey fan but there’s plenty of room in the world for individual tastes in music Kid, and at least Bey isn’t sh*tting all over your unlistenable music, just sit down and STFU.
+1
I agree that her music been iconic but somehow she is. I don’t like her style of music, and Kid Rock is kind of a has been.
Kid Rock has a new album and will be going on tour this year. He has to be in the news to remind people who he is
The can of Raid is funny
While I agree she has no iconic hits, there are performers who do have iconic hits that were one (or two) hit wonders and fall into relative obscurity, performers that are on the top of the charts for a long period of time that fall into obscurity and very talented people who sell well but aren’t celebrities. Kid Rock doesn’t even really fall into one of those categories. . . he had some minor hits (*cough* covers) and got more “celebrity” coverage for his good “traditional values” of screwing hookers, drinking & partying while dressing like a pimp which is a-OK for a rich white man according to his nice, conservative political ideals.
Of course, I really didn’t pay too much attention to his comments about Beyonce because I was stuck on the fact that great American hunter Kid Rock shot an killed penned animals for supper (because that’s what rich, white guys do to show their hunter cred)
You cannot be serious with the fur comments. Bey & J rock tons of fur and leather, as does baby Blue. Bey has had at least 10 coats that I can remember, a long white mink, a mid calf black mink, a fox tail stole, are all standouts in my mind, as well as huge fur hats that she and J both like, and shearling lined/fur gloves. I remember last yr or so when she was on her vegan dieting when she wore a red fox collar jacket TO a vegan restaurant, lol.
I don’t give a rip about Kid Rock, one way or another, but “he killed penned animals for supper,” is an inaccurate statement about overpopulation and herd culling, and makes you appear ignorant, please try less emotion and add a dose of common sense and knowledge.
what fur comments?
the animals were penned when he shot and killed them, I did not mischaracterize that in any way. I fully understanding hunting to cull a population and for food, none of the hunters I know do so by shooting them when captive.
I made no comments about Beyonce or supporting her or reference to furs or being vegan or most of the other stuff you’re ranting about as being hypocritical.
I also missed the whingey emotionality you claim exists in my initial post so, perhaps, you should be the one who needs to re-read your own comments about being ignorant and common sense?
Honestly in a world where people like Taylor Swift and Katy Perry, neither of whom have an ounce of talent, can be singers I appreciate that at least Beyoncé can actually sing although her music is not up my alley.
Also haha at the idea that Kid Rock would ever have the opportunity to reject Beyoncé anyway. You wish loser.
I love your comment!
Taylor Swift is an excellent songwriter. Even rockers, who many are musicians themselves or massive music fans with huge LP and digital collections, on a music forum I’m on praise her songwriting, and most don’t really listen to her, but acknowledge when listening to an album with their daughters what a strong songwriter she is with great melodies and great hooks on album after album. Some even own her music. She is given respect in that regard by those older than her who know music even if it isn’t their cup of tea.
No. She’s not an excellent song writer. The fact that people think she is shows how little we expect from our music artists.
Taylor…an excellent songwriter? Now that made me laugh.
After reading his comments I don’t even want to discuss him. He invoked every manner of privilege imaginable by attempting to invalidate Beyonce’s success in light of his preference for “skinny white chicks with big tits.” This would be offensive on so many levels if he mattered. Which he doesn’t. Nuf said.
Its not offensive considering all beyonce does is grind her female part in the air. She portrays herself that way. She is extremely overrated and especially for the way that her idiot friend Kanye reacts.
I listen to all sorts of music and am a frequent concert goer. I am not a fan of Beyonce at all but, although I don’t listen to her, I can name several of her songs and I can recognize her voice when I hear it in passing. I have been hearing ABOUT Kid Rock for longer than I have heard of Beyonce but I cannot name a single Kid Rock song nor would I recognize his voice if someone started playing his music within earshot. I identify “Sweet Home Alabama” with Lynrd Skynrd. Now, moving onto what Kid Rock seems important in a musician, judging by these comments and actions, I like guys who look like they clean their clothes and shower regularly – which leaves him out.
I don’t know if any of her songs are going to be Iconic. Her songs like Single ladies are fun and memorable but I don’t know if iconic is the word.
Attraction is an individual thing. Men like women to looks a particular way and Women are the same. I agree he didn’t need to talk about that. Just stick to music. Much more interesting debate
I’m a Beyonce fan but I can admit that she doesn’t have a song as big as “Purple Rain” or “Sweet Home Alabama.” I do think “Crazy In Love” and “Resentment” and “Single Ladies” are wildly popular. “Flawless” as well. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, and I think it’s fine that he doesn’t like her music. The problem is that he felt the need to bring race and body type into it. That part is pretty disgusting.
I find it hilarious that no matter how far back you go on his IG page, you see that every pic is COVERED with 🐝🐝. The can of raid was even more hilarious! I also love that the Beyhive found videos of him standing and clapping enthusiastically to an old Beyonce performance. The memes are hilarious.
Neither of them are particularly special.
Who cares what that gross, sexist has-been thinks? The best response Is to ignore this irrelevant mess altogether.
I’ll be perfectly honest – I can’t name a single Kid Rock hit (you mentioned ‘Cowboy’ and then my mind meandering back to the 1990’s and went ‘oh yeah’) nor can I can name single Beyonce hit (until, again, you mentioned Single Ladies). I actually get what Kid Rock is saying (though the way he says is…well, whatever). I think what he’s saying is that Beyonce is a HUGE celebrity in the music world, yet doesn’t really have any iconic hits. And in truth, she doesn’t. And 30 years from now, we might hear “Single Ladies” being played on an oldies station along with Chaka Khan or being used as an intro-song for some daytime chat show. But Bob Seger she is not. Karen Carpenter she is not. Lionel Richie she is not. Then again, neither is Kid Rock. As to his comments on her body, I think what he was saying there was that she is more popular because of the way she looks (which is a very popular look these days) rather than her catalog of music. I think, honestly, I would rather hear comments like this coming from someone like Kid Rock – who can be judged equally – than by someone like Madonna or Bruce Springsteen, in which it would come out sounding completely like sour grapes shade. Or, better yet, perhaps there was no need for him to comment at all.
He wasn’t comparing her to himself or his musical legacy. He was saying he doesn’t get why Beyonce is the biggest deal in the music world right now because she doesn’t have any iconic hits and named some he thought were by other music legends that are classics that have lasted over the decades.
Kid Rock is a mess, and why he merged the two statements, music career and ass, was as misogynistic as it gets. But from a trash northern redneck like him, why am I surprised? I guess his jab was she is a huge deal because of her ass and shaking it and not her music and then made a dig he was into skinny white chicks. So he turned it into a misogynistic diss, instead of keeping it about the music.
His dismissive comment about Beyonce and her ass and how he likes “skinny white chicks with big tits” is funny when you consider that he’s dated black chicks with big asses. The porn actress Midori comes to mind. Not to mention his son’s mother is black. The man is entitled to his preferences, but he should avoid making comments that make him look like a hypocrite.
Now this I laughed at
https://instagram.com/p/zqZ44eNCko/
Haaaaaa….perfect.
jaana, All of her grammys is the point he tried to make. She doesn’t have the talent of prince but is insanely famous. Frankly im impressed he even mentioned prince. I did find the people on the instagram picture bashing his $20 ticketes to be pretty pathetic.
Not a fan of both but laughed out loud seeing Kid Rock’s Instagram reply to Bey.
Can’t stand Beyonce especially after what happened last year. She is so full of herself.
Went to her concert two years ago. Sure her songs are well known but the concert was a complete snoozer.
The can of Raid was funny.
He wasn’t responding to Beyonce, he was responding to her legions of fans who went after him after reading his comment.
I love Beyonce but she definitely doesn’t have more iconic hits than taylor swift simply because some of those iconic hits were with destiny’s child; she hasn’t been as iconic on her own…yet, I don’t think. She could definitely get there but as a solo artist…it’s taylor swift over her all the way. Kid rock is a dumb red neck; I would expect nothing less than stupid sexist statements.
Kid is a schmuck but Bey is totally overrated.
We don’t all have to worship Beyoncé
the Number of twitter followers does not make a talent bigger. Just look at the KArdashians.
I do not think B is an iconic talent, I think she is a very hard working talented artis that has a great publicity machine behind her and who is intelligent enough to choose good producers and writers to work with.
A naturally huge iconic talent , no. A very calculated hardworking with good talent, yes.
IMO, she and her entourage make her believe she is the biggest S**** in the planet, that last coke in the desert, but I do not think she is. She is crafted and polished, though.
I loathe how she gets writer credits for helping with a word or two, just to make seem she is a talented writer too.
Follower are often bought. Hasn´t Beyonce around 40mio follower? But she sells “just” 2 mio albums when she shakes her butt and has a good year
I think he is right. Her catalog is not that impressive. When her songs are flopping she always pulls off some pr stunt and it’s usually something related to her body. Suddenly she uploads her tumblr and posts dozens of photos of her thigh gap or booty. Please.
He also said Black women weren’t attractive and that he’s not attracted to them…though he had sex with one and now has a teenage biracial son.
He’s a dick.
He’s had sex with more than one black woman.
Please look again. He did not say black women were not attractive.
Beyoncé’s work with Destiny’s Child is more iconic than her solo work. Everyone, even your grandma, knows ‘Independent Women’ and ‘Survivor.’
I don’t know these songs, and, I do not live under a rock. But, I’m not a grandma.
I think that’s funny given the source, but….Beyonce has a ton of hits, but you don’t become icon status until you’re inducted into the Rock & Roll hall of fame, become a Kennedy Center honoree, or get a Grammy for Lifetime Achievement. She may be on her way with that with 20 Grammy wins alone (Wikipedia). Kid Rock has 5 Grammy nominations and NO WINS (Wikipedia). The asset swipe is due to how she sells records, booty shaking to compete with younger stars, and I don’t think she should stoop to that.
She doesn’t have iconic hits, she has popular songs that no one will remember once she retires and the pr machine stops. For example, Britney Spears has iconic songs: “Baby one more time” and “Oops I did it again” are now a pop classic, and she changed the pop scene when she was at the top.
As much as beyonce tries the most iconic thing she has is a hand movement from a copied music video that became very popular. Her music is awful but thats another story.
Hmmm. I think Single Ladies and Crazy in Love are iconic. I don’t care for those songs, but I believe Crazy in Love was voted the greatest song of the decade. And Single Ladies is one of the most iconic videos OF ALL TIME. Both those songs are more iconic than “Oops.” All criticism aside, I think Beyonce’s dominance pisses people off, and she’s kind of phoney to me but that’s another story too.
No they aren´t iconic. Normally i can´t name one single Beyonce song if someone asks me. For the moment i can name Crazy in Love just because it is everywhere thanks to the 50 shades of grey soundtrack.
The thing is, what do we understand as “iconic”. If we go for something that is hugely popular then yes, those are iconic. But if we go to something that changed or was truly influencial to culture or society, she is not.
I gave Britney as an example because she really changed music business for women: for good or for bad this over-sexualization was in great deal because of her. Just see the image of the biggest estsblished female singers circa 1996 (Janet, Celine, etc.) and watch their image after Britney. She got plenty of singles at number 1 and billboard and one even without air play. She still holds the record for biggest sales in the first week for a female artist (Taylor couldn’t break it). 6 out of her 8 records debuted in number 1, etc, etc. Her numbers are really impresive especially when internet wasn’t still as big and social network didn’t exist as we know them today. Except for Madonna, no one has been bigger than her.
(I’m not a crazy fan, I know this facts because I made a paper about her for my Transmodernity class at University).
You made a lot of great points. I’m not sure. It’s a controversial opinion, but I think the quality of Britney’s music has been better than Beyonce’s. I think you may be right about Britney being a bigger icon though. Beyonce has to stay on top, constantly have hit singles, give great performances, to be considered the queen. Britney doesn’t really do anything lol and she gets almost as much attention. Beyonce is more powerful and talented, has many more accolades, and has had more success as an actress but yet… I don’t know if she is a bigger icon than Britney Spears. And if we begin to consider Beyonce an icon, is P!nk an icon as well? Or Kelly Clarkson? They have been consistently successful as well. And I would argue that “Since U Been Gone” is a more iconic song than anything Beyonce has put out. As well as P!nk’s Missunderstood album. That spawned the whole “whiny” pop rick era.
Ok if we are honest she isn’t micheal Jackson, Mariah, prince, the Beatles, Rolling Stones or Dylan but she is one of the biggest and most influential women of music ever. I use to love her but I’m real tired of the stict (this could be because of the hive and Kanye).
And kid rock doesn’t even rank with 3 doors down, goo goo dolls and Cheney Chesney so he should have a seat.
And seriously what does her looks have to do with her talent? Adele is with out a doubt the most talented woman in music out and she doesn’t fit either of those descriptions but she still has the best pipes in the industry male or female!
He is an idiot.
So he hit on her and she shot him down and he is pissy. Sounds about right for a douche.
Kid Rock. I feel like I woke up and it’s the year 2000. Y2K!
Seriously, Kaiser? Picture with Sheryl Crow? All Summer Long? Amen? Only God Knows Why? Born Free? American Bad Ass? Bawitdaba? He’s had a bunch of hits that cross country and rock charts.
He’s right about Beyonce…she doesn’t have an iconic hit. He should have just stopped there but he didn’t. I believe he was taking a swipe at Kanye but he’s right…her songs are not iconic.
There is still plenty of time for her to have an iconic hit. She already has an iconic career and is more relevant than ever almost 20 years into her career, unlike him.
I’m not even a member of the Beyhive, but I swear Beyonce’s haters are just as delusional as her stans are. You can hate her all you want, but you can’t deny her impact.
I have a lot of criticisms for Beyonce. But she is an icon at this point. Deal with it, Kid Rock. And eyeroll at him not finding her attractive. I get that he was trying to be “brutally honest” but that whole comment was irritating. Isn’t his babymama black? I may be mistaking him for someone else.
Kid Rock is a douchebag. Always has been (and is a has-been, ha ha see what i did there?) That being said, I don’t find Beyonce all that iconic either. Yes, she’s super successful, has alot of hits, blah blah. But if you happen to not listen to hiphop/pop, but any other of the multitude of music genres, you may not recognize her as that big a deal, like me. just out of this list of songs:
“Halo”. “Bootylicious.” “Independent Women.” “Drunk In Love.” “Crazy In Love.” “Single Ladies.” “Partition.” “XO.” “Ring the Alarm.” “Baby Boy.”
I’ve heard of 3. I’m pretty pop culture saturated and maybe I missed the Bey boat, but Kid Rock is right about this – Prince she ain’t.
I do agree with you on that point. Her music quality has not kept up with her performance ability and star power. A lot of her music is very throwaway-ish. But I do believe her longevity, record sales, and and reigning queen status for like almost 20 years now, makes her an icon.
You’re doing better than me if you recognize 3 songs, the only one I recognize as her is the bit from the promo of 50 Shades. I kind of liked the sound of that so checked it out on itunes but the version there was nothing like the promo. She’s popular for some reason that I can’t fathom, I don’t enjoy generic autotuned hiphoppy music and I certainly can’t be bothered to watch some undressed chick gyrate around in a video. That said, I don’t recognize any of Kid Rock’s music either although I like the song Sweet Home Alabama by the original singers.
But I must say, the feud is pretty funny.
Have we forgotten what ICON means?
Prince, Madonna, Michael and Janet Jackson are some icons to me. Kid Rock and Beyoncé nah.
Like it or not, Beyonce will be remembered as an icon. Let’s not be delusional.
Why should beyonce be remembered as an icon? Because of a Pepsi ad/pr campaign? Beyonce’s not an icon; she has no iconic songs, she has no iconic looks/costumes, and she has no iconic videos.
Single Ladies was popular, not iconic. It was also 7 years ago, and Beyonce’s last #1 single.
You know who else had their last number one single 7 years ago? Mariah Carey. But whereas Mariah is a 45 year old woman 25 years into her career, Beyonce is a 34 year old woman, 12 years in.
12 years into her career, Mariah had 15 #1 singles alone.
Beyonce only has five #1’s. Just five. For her entire solo career.
Single Ladies was 7 years ago.
Irreplaceable was 9 years ago.
Check On It was 10 years ago.
Crazy in Love and Baby Boy were both 12 years ago.
“Beyonce” and “icon” do not belong in the same sentence.
Agreed. Just take Madonna for comparison – numerous iconic hits. Swift? Tons as well. Beyonce… Blank.
I hope that some day we start addressing the issue of internet terrorism. It is a serious social problem. The BeyHive are terrorists, plain and simple. Yes Kid Rock was a jackass who ruined a very good and valid point regarding Beyonce’s legacy. But to invade and destroy his Instagram account is a form of anonymous terrorism.
Attacking someone for his/her viewpoint is un-American. Disagreeing with someone’s viewpoint is not.
Beyonce fanatics doth protest too much and take it too far.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beyonce-fans-attack-kid-rock-online-after-derogatory-comments-20150227
Why must Beyonce’s fanatical flock spew hate towards people who do not share their subjective opinions? Why are the fanatics so insecure and defensive about the object of their worship? Why the us against them bologna?
I think the only reason that we (the public/the media) are discussing the word “ICON” with respect to Beyonce is because her pr machine hyped beyonce as an icon. The truth is, for someone 12 years into her solo career, beyonce isn’t particularly impressive. She’s just another pop star, end of story.
Consider beyonce’s Pepsi commercial that was supposed to display all of her “iconic” looks/outfits over the years. None of those outfits were “iconic”; it was a such a farce. At least two of the outfits were from Destiny’s Child videos, not even beyonce’s own solo career. Most were unrecognizable and mundane. In particular, they featured beyonce in a white tank top and denim shorts. That’s not iconic, it’s just summertime clothing for most young women (a a lot of young men).
An iconic outfit would be Marilyn Monroe’s white dress that she wore over the subway grate: immediately and solely identifiable with Marilyn Monroe; the outfit transcends time (recognizable after decades), race (any woman wearing a similar dress and blonde wig would be assumedly channeling Marilyn), and generation (even people born decades later recognize the Marilyn dress; it is woven into the fabric of pop culture and absorbed by osmosis). Beyonce doesn’t have a single outfit that accomplishes what Marilyn Monroe’s white dress did.
To me, beyonce’s Pepsi commercial and the comparison to Marilyn’s white dress say everything there is to say about beyonce’s supposed iconic status: it’s pr hype with no basis in reality.
Soooooo much THIS ^ ^ ^
Michael Jackson is also a TRUE icon. No matter what people may think about him personally, that CANNOT be denied. Worldwide icon! Bey is not even 1/8th of MJ’s status.
I think he is the highest bar so…. Sorry Bey. (and Kanye! Lol!)
PR does not an Icon make.
The rest of his comments were gross, but I agree she doesn’t have the catalogue of hits you’d expect from such a huge pop star. Single Ladies is her most iconic song I’d say, but the video and the dance routine are what made it. The song itself is pretty stupid and not interesting musically. Then there’s Crazy In Love, which benefited from Jay Z’s involvement. Other than that, there’s no real iconic songs and a surprising number of forgotten singles. Overseas especially, about half her singles never even got radio play, whereas everything Taylor, Rihanna and even Katy release is hugely popular. And it’s not like she’s a big critical success, most of her albums have gotten very mediocre reviews, even her latest got average reviews when the hype died down. It’s baffling.
Strange, as the mother of his child is African-American- does his type change? And he samples from others’ hits, so… whatever.
I hope that you are not implying that all African American women have the same build or look the same? That since he was attracted to one woman of color that he would be attracted to Beyonce, too?
I think it was because he liked “skinny white girls with big tits”.
Read his bio, if you care enough. He was well-known back in the day for preferring nothing but black women/girls (in high school), had a high-top fade, and most of his friends were black. It’s not about him fetishizing “one” black woman he happened to knock up; it’s about his apparent 180 regarding them being his sole preference, to now being inferior or inadequate for not being a “skinny white chick”.
When one of them makes a real contribution to society – educates children, cares for the sick, or protects the public….then maybe I’ll care about their opinions or actions.
The “Hive” is very detrimental to her image IMO. She should say something like other celebs have, by telling their wacko fans to lay off when they get out of control and act like 10 year olds. Not good for her image. her PR team needs to sit her down. It’s vile what her “hive” does…no matter if what they have their stingers on lock for is valid or not. Bad PR 101.
I don’t know any contemporary artist who has an iconic song, expect for Madonna, Britney Spears and Amy Winehouse (RIP). The rest is just the rest.
Adele?
LOL at Britney Spears. The arguably least talented “singer” to have come out in the past 20 years.
Forget the Beyoncé quote. Did you see the rest of that article? Holy sweet Jesus. It was disgusting.
So true.
What else did he say? Where can I read the article?
rollingstone.com
Bob Ritchie is a petulant, gross, skeezy human who happens to mouth off and gain succubus fans who think life is killin’, bangin’, and swillin’. Gross.
That said, he’s not wrong about Beyonce.
Some Statistics On Beyonce’s Music Career
16 songs made the Top 20 of the US Billboard Hot 100
(Top 20: Ring The Alarm, Diva, Best Thing I Never Had, Love on Top, 7/11; Top 10: Sweet Dreams; Top 5: Me Myself & I, Naughty Girl, Beautiful Liar, If I were a Boy, Halo, Drunk In Love; #1’s: Crazy In Love, Baby Boy, Check On It, Irreplaceable, Single Ladies)
20 songs made the Top 20 of the Hot 100, if you count duets
(Until The End Of Time w/ Justin Timberlake, #17; ’03 Bonnie & Clyde w/ Jay Z, #4; Love In This Club Part 2 w/ Usher, #18; Telephone w/ Lady Gaga, #3)
By herself, Beyonce only has 12 Top 10 songs, 11 Top 5 songs, and most damning of all, just 5 #1 songs for her entire solo career, of which the most recent is Single Ladies, released in 2008.
If you count Beyonce’s duets toward her totals, she has 14 Top 10 songs, 13 Top 5 songs, but still only 5 #1 songs.
Of Beyonce’s recent singles (from her latest album), XO peaked at #45, Drunk In Love peaked at #2, Partition peaked at #23, Pretty Hurts did not chart (on the Hot 100), Flawless peaked at #41, 7/11 peaked at #13, and Ring Off did not chart (on the Hot 100).
Beyonce’s only other high ranking song was the Just Stand Up to Cancer charity single, which reached #11 on the Billboard Hot 100, but can hardly be considered a Beyonce song.
Additionally, if you give Beyonce credit for Top 50 placement on the Hot 100, then you can include on her list of “hits” the following: Get Me Bodied, #46; Ego, #39; Run the World (Girls), #29; Party, #50; and Feeling Myself, a Nicki Minaj song, which peaked at #43.
Is Beyonce’s track record awful? No. For a mildly successful pop star, it’s fine. But Beyonce, her pr team, her inner circle, and her fans keep hyping her as “the queen”, “king b”, “flawless”, “iconic”, “the best of her generation”, “the greatest living entertainer”, “bow down b*tches”, etc, etc. In context of that kind of hype, her track record does not hold up.
kid rock is funny… a black woman was his thing back in the day as Ritchie Jr’s (his son) mother is black.
Kid Rock’s hair looks like it smells of pot and patchouli oil.
Petroleum and patchouli oil. 😉
I’m not a Beyonce fan…couldn’t care less what she’s doing, what her latest album is, whatever. Not in to her type of music in general.
But Crazy In Love and Single Ladies ARE iconic songs. We (collectively, not necessarily each and every individual) WILL be humming those songs and quoting from them for years to come. Housewives in Houston, Bankers in Boston, Undertakers in the Ukraine–everyone recognizes those songs
Sweet Home Alabama is an iconic LYNYRD SKYNYRD song–that jumped up former country rapper Kid Rock has nothing of note that is made iconic by his performance of it. Even Picture is so successful because of Sheryl Crow, not him.
Way to get yourself talked about again, K R .
His insta is still blowing up, but now the Beyhive is arguing with each other. Not gonna lie, it’s totally entertaining stuff.
Undertakers in Ukraine humming along to Crazy in Love and Single Ladies? TotallyBiased indeed 😀 I can assure You that is not the case
Actually, I have friends in Ukraine who do indeed find entertainment in those tunes. Truthful moment–I cannot guarantee any are undertakers. But can you prove none of them are?
(I notice you didn’t challenge my Bankers in Boston assertion 😉 )
Also, my bias has nothing to do w/Beyonce and Co–as my intro sentence made clear.
Dragonflys Forever!
I think he was trying to say that she’s more well known for her looks than her songs.
What he said was gross and sexist–seriously what does Beyonce’s appearance have to do with her ability to churn out hits? Regardless if they’re iconic or not (and those are always debatable). But the Beyhive’s response to flood his instagram with bee emojis!! That is hilarious as was Kid Rock’s raid response.
How is expressing his own lack of attraction to Beyonce sexist?
Please look again at what he said. He’s wondering why she’s so popular as she doesn’t have the catalog to support her status. OTHER people think she’s so hot, Kid Rock says she’s not his type. How is that sexist?!!?
Irreplaceable, Crazy in Love and Single Ladies are arguably her 3 biggest hits.
Everybody loved Crazy in love. And to this day, I know dudes who get salty when Irreplaceable comes on. Dudes were so salty some lame dude recorded a rebuttal from the perspective of the dude kicked to the curb in Irreplaceable. Single Ladies was a great song.
I’m no Beystan, and I’ve never bought any of her albums but those are 3 songs I will listen if they are on the radio.
Oh, also Check Up on It.
Is “Cotton Eye Joe” a Kid Rock song?
I went and did some reading and I’ve come back to say that I read on Wikipedia that the Beyonce “Single Ladies” video contains this alter ego of herself that is sensual and aggressive and called Shasha Fierce…it made me LMAO
I have to give her further props just for this alter ego because it is rather hilarious.
If anything Kid-Rock is wrong because Beyonce is rather memorable as an artist because she has created this whole persona along with the music she sings and it is very entertaining.
Also, another Destiny’s Child song came to mind…”I don’t think you’re ready for this jelly.” LMAO!
Here’s the “atticle”
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/kid-rock-puts-his-obama-hating-right-wing-jackassery-on-full-display-ahead-of-new-album/
That should be “article”. That’ll teach me to post at 4:30 in the morning. Lol
Ok, kid rock is a jacka$$ hands down! He’s full of himself. BUT I’m really sick of the “beyhive” being a bunch of bullies! That aggravates me to no end! I mean, grow up and brush it off.
Honestly the past 15 years very few artists/ songs have fallen in the groundbreaking & iconic category.
Seems kinda dumb and mean to single out just Beyonce.
She’s a product of her environment and that environment has not been outstanding in a while.
When I think of iconic creative mainstream albums of late that have the potential to become timeless, I think of Futuresex/Lovesounds by Justin, and Stripped by Christina. And even those two were really derivative, and… Are kinda old already.
A single raid can does not make you some kind of iconic truth teller. C’mon seriously?
He’s getting wayyyy too much attention (but I guess that’s what he wanted since his career is pretty much invisible?) for something that’s overplayed, poorly worded, tired, uninspiring, racist, sexist and downright disgusting.
I’m so tired of (white) entertainers ripping on Beyoncé to boost their own careers and because she’s clearly super successful and race had so much to do with it, people just don’t won’t to admit it.
When this fake ass K-Fed has had the prolific (and iconic) career that Beyonce’s had for over two decades, then maybe he can talk some mess. Until that time, he needs to go back to his Ted Nugent worshipping crowd.
Meh. She’s the one who is constantly photo shopping the thigh gap and posting it. Clearly she wants her body to be discussed.
Totally.
She’s a submissive pawn in Jay Z’s aggrandizing cuckold.
(And Kid Rock is distasteful and skeezy, but makes a valid point about Beyonce’s unvalidated popularity.)